pvp

[elfin surge]

we need necro banner back

more than ev

[sharp meteor]

i remember upgrading from s3 to s4 armor on an alt and losing physiucal dmg reduction

after the changes they made for like keys in s2

[robust hearth]

Raiding was simple back then, 80% of my damage was from spamming condemn

Good times

[sharp meteor]

man fleshcraft owned

[robust hearth]

They should give DKs fleshcraft honestly

[faint sapphire]

I wish they removed ms reset talents and buff dmg to compensate

[elfin surge]

my feral and I used to bm big rally in the starting room to get an omega flesh in 2s

[robust hearth]

Make necro banner pvp talent

[sharp meteor]

ya

then u could swap off big rally talent

just start the game with extra health bar

[elfin surge]

^

[sharp meteor]

feral warr 2s man

cant go back from that

playing non necro warr with a healer into hunter mage or rogue for 9 minutes

get me out

[elfin surge]

remove roar and replace with necro banner

[sharp meteor]

dragon roar such a meek button

just does nothing

adds nothing

[elfin surge]

boring pad

[sharp meteor]

small to medium size aoe dot

could legit just empower a single thunderclap to apply triple rend or something instead

save a keybind

[faint sapphire]

I wonder if dragons still use wa to dispel it

[elfin surge]

they do

[sharp meteor]

ya gets ripped insta if ur only source of bleeds

[faint sapphire]

sad part is u cant even drop bleed talents, cause there is nothing to change them for

[sharp meteor]

open tuning, spear crit amp nerf 💀

[robust hearth]

I miss when roar did a 1 second stun

I never liked spear never touched it, but do ppl still able to get out of it with turtle+disengage or tomb+blink etc?

I love the wars where they charge me and still somehow miss the spear on me 💀

[wheat jay]

You mean aftershock?

[robust hearth]

No I mean MoP version of dragon roar

It did a aoe stun knock

[sterile moth]

Has anybody found a practical use for dragon charge in SS?

I feel like the 3rd pvp talent is very meh after the printing

Pruning

[sharp meteor]

It's just bad now.

In basically every situation I can imagine.

[urban skiff]

Kidnapping healers is fun as fuck

Haymaker into dragon charge can put them in the other end of many arenas. It also transports you about 50% further per use, but takes more time to execute and is subject to interruptions

[hollow plover]

Blizz should just add knockback to roar so it competes as control with spear

[spice hornet]

They been pushing dragon roar for awhile idk why

Boring ass button

[urban skiff]

We still refuse to call it troar speaks volumes

[grand echo]

did you do it zercher?

are you a real gamer now?

[urban skiff]

I haven't played at all

[grand echo]

ahh

[urban skiff]

Also kennie is especially aggroed today, so just pretend i'm almost 1400 rating

[grand echo]

havent touched my warr since we last spoke myself. ended up levelling a hunter, crafting for bm then realizing I wanted to play mm instead ;(

[urban skiff]

I did play some warrior today but i keep getting awkward matchups with people who play really weird

Like aforementioned dh retri uhdk lobby where everybody just kited me and played pseudo ranged all match.

Not once did any of them think to kite the other guy closer to me when they were on my team

[grand echo]

weird

[urban skiff]

Very

[grand echo]

I havent dared taking my hunter to ss yet

[urban skiff]

Bm or mm?

[grand echo]

Mm

Started as bm, realised I didnt enjoy it much

only started it because I kinda knew how to play it in pvp since i played it back in SL

[urban skiff]

Imma be real, i just don't get hunter at all as a spec

[grand echo]

Bm is the chillest thing there is in pve at least

love it

Surv was fun in SL when the bomb build was crazy overpowered

[rancid granite]

do we have holy paladin nerds here or am i the only one who decided to try healin

im harstuck 1700 :(

i didnt know i played so many just from today and yesterday

since the q's are instant lmao

[sterile moth]

I tried holy pally last season, it was kinda fun. Easy 1800

[boreal veldt]

[sterile moth]

lol make colossus ok again that’s hilarious

[urban skiff]

Getting weirdly stuck as well randomly this season.

[sterile moth]

Also, does arms soft counter fury in arena…it feels like it.

[south hemlock]

is 4pc worth on fury rn or nah

i'm just curious because i've heard people say it is and some say it isnt

[boreal veldt]

kinda, disarm for their offensive cd and dbts shuts down healing on their defensive cd

[urban skiff]

is why i only cleave off of UHDK pets

They can't defend themselves

[vivid pumice]

I would chew my own leg off for Blizzard to give us back Throw Down or whatever it was called in Cata

[boreal veldt]

i froth at the mouth when i see pets to gift me might stacks

free real estate

[urban skiff]

I might go back to arms

I want to like fury but it just feels very off

[vivid pumice]

is it a waste of time to int shout a BM hunters pets when he sics the entire Central Park Zoo on me?

[uneven lava]

play arms if you have a brain

[uneven lava]

shackwave > fear > create distance

[rancid granite]

after a while you get used to its different rhythm

[uneven lava]

should get you passed 70% of it

[fickle forge]

Kind of, it doesn't do all that much compared to just getting CC

[urban skiff]

I've had my warrior since a few weeks before TBC launch. I should be used to it by now

[rancid granite]

i mean its rhythm is awkward but its there lol

i feel i like it for pve but not pvp

[vivid pumice]

pve fury is very dependant on not spacing out and mashing buttons randomly to generate the most efficient DPS per GCD action.

pvp fury is very dependant on spacing out and mashing buttons randomly to generate as much dps as possible within the 3 seconds you'll actually be able to hit someone before you get kited into the next stratosphere

[urban skiff]

that's a nice description

in pve i could never get fury right, I was always parsing 1-2% less than the other warrior in mostly identical gear at all times

It's as if there was just something I never understood

[rancid granite]

have you seen the pve rotations of classes?

hurts my brain

[vivid pumice]

fury very easily falls into the trap of just pressing any button if it lights up or you have the rage to do so, but it's very important to make sure you're keeping enrage up at all times and trying to fit your major CDs within your enrage window

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge how would you estimate how long uptime on totem of wrath I would have?

I can't pull anything useful from details

[vivid pumice]

Also despite swinging two large surf boards around, warrior has really short melee range for some reason, and their defensives are absolute trash both in pve and pvp

[urban skiff]

I expect the higher rating I get, the quicker it dies, until a certain point, where it starts to live a lot more because I get shut down instead of the totem.

[fickle forge]

As what spec?

[urban skiff]

enh

My very very stupid bad-dog build

I suspect people might ignore it because they aren't that scared

[fickle forge]

0%

[vagrant locust]

This sounds like

Wizard talk

And this ain’t no wizard place

[fickle forge]

You're a 10% crit spec, wrath is awful

[urban skiff]

I'm not though

And also not even 50% crit dam spec

[fickle forge]

But as long as you get it off for primordial you're goodchie

[vagrant locust]

Some ground wizard shit rn BEST SPELL YOU CAN CAST IS REROLL TO WARRIOR

[fickle forge]

You good brother?

[urban skiff]

enh gets +4% crit chance to nature and physical spells/abilities and then an additional +5% crit chance and crit damage to nature spells

add in totem of wrath, maybe even start thinking about tauren and culminating gem

suddenly you have 75% crit dam

[fickle forge]

Yeah as long as you land the PW pop

All that matters

Frost Shock and Ele Blast would just be a bonus

[urban skiff]

Is all I'm trying to do before the other discord just completely blew up. Just trying to figure out what stats will get me the biggest noobstomp attack sequence during my burst window

[fickle forge]

What the worldofpvp one?

[urban skiff]

Yea

[fickle forge]

Yeah it's a meme place

[vivid pumice]

lots of bosses this season that put a little circle around their feet and i have to walk out and stand there while i watch the other dps be completely unaffected.

[fickle forge]

Aight cool man, sounds like a PvE problem

[urban skiff]

It's like a gathering of redditors who think they're too good for reddit, but also they froth at the thought of finally not having to constrain their behavior because it's discord and not reddit

[rancid granite]

lol

[urban skiff]

A very weird place and so far I've had 0 answers to my technical questions and they're trying reeeeally hard to bully me because I don't kneel

I don't see much value in staying if they can't even be chill

[vivid pumice]

nah it affects pvp too, being deadzoned by an entangling totem or walking just out of melee range of a mage makes me really miss that extra melee range tauren used to get

[urban skiff]

bad news brother, enh shaman is the perfect SMF THANE build

[fickle forge]

The cord owner is pretty chill, he's in my server as well

[urban skiff]

which one is that?

The Thad guy?

[fickle forge]

Skill issue man, fury is a strong melee rn

[fickle forge]

Yeah

[urban skiff]

Idk, I like that he's linking a machinema video. Takes guts to show something artsy you made

[fickle forge]

He makes a lot of memes yeah

[urban skiff]

but he's also enabling some really toxic behavior. And I don't really jive with enablers

[vivid pumice]

"skill issue man, I simply never get CC'd or kited"

[urban skiff]

You should play SMF THANE instead

[fickle forge]

Play BM hunter if you cannot handle roots brother

[vivid pumice]

I genuinely wish SMF were recognized as anything other than a meme, it feels like something Blizzard keeps in the game because the 10 or so people who use it would complain relentlessly if it got removed

[urban skiff]

You can play SMF THANE no problem

[vagrant locust]

Heresy

[urban skiff]

I'll link my build after I can swap to my SMF THANE

which i can after the next shuffle

[vivid pumice]

yeah I straight up don't believe you i'm sorry, I gotta see at least one person on any arena ladder above 1600 playing SMF and only SMF to believe that

[vagrant locust]

SMF? If i wanted to play outlaw I’d play outlaw

[rancid granite]

it all comes back to the sword mogs

[urban skiff]

I'm at least 1601 rating

womp womp

[vivid pumice]

yeah but did you get there playing SMF or did you throw on SMF as a meme for a few rounds

[rancid granite]

zercher got there by being a chad

[urban skiff]

time to get jealous that the other warrioris playing a funner spec

can't argue with this mog

[vivid pumice]

i'm just saying you don't run the tour de france on a motorcycle and then swap to a bicycle 10 meters from the finish line and call it a hard fought victory

[rancid granite]

he was smf from the get go

denial is not just a river in egypt

[vivid pumice]

Can you link the Drustvar, genuinely not trying to be a hater I just have never heard of SMF being successful other than like, memes where Mud is playing it in 1400 lobbies with viewers

[fickle forge]

It isn't

Zercher plays it because he wants to

[rancid granite]

videogames are for fun

[boreal veldt]

if you understand the fundementals of the class you can push most builds

[rancid granite]

wait til he hear's about bless's full crit/mastery arms builds

[vivid pumice]

then @urban skiff I'd love to pick your brain because I'd rather be playing SMF than Bleach simulator

[boreal veldt]

[vivid pumice]

now i'm wondering if you can still make the skullsplitter build from DF season 2 work

because that was the most fun i had on warrior in arena since cata

[boreal veldt]

sks is still used in col bleed builds pretty regularly

[urban skiff]

another sec or two

[urban skiff]

Here you go, the true SMF THANE build

[vivid pumice]

Okay this was funny enough that i'm not even mad about it

[urban skiff]

what's there to be mad about?

[boreal veldt]

thats SMF
always has been

[vivid pumice]

you know i am starting to ask myself why i'm not just playing ENH shaman when thematically it has everything i want

[urban skiff]

Swing two 1hs CHECK!
Deal a mixture of physical and nature damage CHECK!

Spam the absolute shit out of one or two attacks and have a big finisher? CHECK

[vivid pumice]

okay was the entire discord in on this bit?

[boreal veldt]

it's a good bit

[urban skiff]

Only the people with humour

You're now part of it too

[boreal veldt]

welcome

[copper fox]

I’m going to q 1 shuffle as smf and say I play smf @ 2500+

Technically I wouldn’t be lying

And if I go 3-3 or better it’s viable

Fact

[vivid pumice]

fighting the urge to be the guy who unironically plays SMF and pushes rating but even at my best i usually don't get past 2k so I'm not sure it would be worth much

[rancid granite]

its the look good feel good play good fact

[boreal veldt]

i might try it later in the season since i never fury anyway

start a trend

just tell people in your ss youre a shaman

[vivid pumice]

yeah maybe once conq unlocks i'll try it on an alt

[supple crystal]

damn how do people have a 2 set already even if there is only 1 kajamite available?

[vivid pumice]

you get an extra charge on the catalyst for hitting 1600 rating

or killing heroic gallywix or getting 2k in m+

[supple crystal]

ohhh

got it

thanks

[robust hearth]

swords??? im tlaking about fist weps bruh

[boreal veldt]

elite bomb fists are kinda BiS

[rancid granite]

shame monk has the coolest ones with the legion mogs

[robust hearth]

this game needs mroe fist weps, flails, and spears

[robust hearth]

fist of diety bruh?

ya shame u dont see the fists weps when u fight with monk

[vapid tartan]

The real challenge is getting a q timer

[robust hearth]

and i got the chi bladed fist weps from the mage tower back in legion

[urban skiff]

Because in the current meta and gear level, enh is a big struggle

Enh is only as good as its damage

[vivid pumice]

oh yeah and enh gets kited worse than warrior does

[urban skiff]

SMF THANE can't do swords btw

[vivid pumice]

now i remember why

[urban skiff]

it's not so bad with my build

[copper fox]

Fr lol I started playing alts because of it. I’m like 2430ish rn on main warr sitting forever qs

[rancid granite]

yeah i thought the whole convo was about fury too LMAO

[urban skiff]

while they kite a lot, i can slow while in a root, i can break root, i can plop down some totems or i can patiently wait in ghostwolf and stack up +20% DR/MS

also having the option to pre-ghostwolf a stun chain from a rogue is kind of nice too

[robust hearth]

still got this

[urban skiff]

something fucky is going on, why is doomwinds critting 10% when I have like 19% crit chance with nature spells?

I suspect it's negative crit rating bug

[vapid tartan]

Ye always tells me 20 mins then once it gets there no more timer

So boring

[urban skiff]

Also lightning rod can't crit

[robust hearth]

SMF slayer

[fickle forge]

Small sample size

[urban skiff]

160 is not small though

this is a really shit lobby

everything has immunities

[rancid granite]

did you hit 1800 yet

[urban skiff]

confirmed, can't crit with negative crit rating

[urban skiff]

went 1-5 and then 0-6

[rancid granite]

oof

[urban skiff]

but can confirm I'm affected by a pretty big bug that stops doom winds from critting

[rancid granite]

same.... 👀

[boreal veldt]

well they messed up shaman elemental damage by like 17%, wouldn't surprise me if other elemental abilities were janked

[urban skiff]

WHAT

[chilly pivot]

Do u think we see any nerfs/ buffs changes this week ?

[urban skiff]

nah

[vivid pumice]

I think we'll see balancing next week now that RWF is done

[urban skiff]

looking like another 1-5

what is up with this

[vivid pumice]

blizz loves doing this thing to me where i get to 1700 and then even going 4/2 i crawl up to just below 1800 and then go on a 3 game loss streak

sounds like they're getting yout oo

[rancid granite]

nerf fdk is all im saying

[urban skiff]

2-4

😦

I don't even care about my shuffle rating, I just also don't like the way I'm losing despite getting them down to 5% many times

[boreal veldt]

i have this issue sometimes but at least i can blame low haste

[urban skiff]

I choose to blame too high haste

[boreal veldt]

what a cursed stat

[urban skiff]

I'm not loving how many healers are spam dispelling flameshock against me

tough week

another rough lobby incoming

[rancid granite]

ngl the instant q's for heals are taking its toll

i played way too many games today im probably stuck 1700 cause my brain is fried

[urban skiff]

why the heck can fists of fury parry sundering, an aoe effect?

it's like the only thing that can?

and why am I winning when I just walk up to priests and double stun -> hex now?

lobbies are weird rn

[sterile moth]

Nerf WW

[urban skiff]

all lobbies today have been pretty bad no matter what i queued as

so many dispels too

[boreal veldt]

it's st paddies, everyone's hammered

[urban skiff]

not in europe

[boreal veldt]

oh right EU

everyone's always hammered

[urban skiff]

recovered

sort of

still fucky how many dispels I'm seeing right now

is there a new weakaura pack that screams when to dispel?

[boreal veldt]

probably

i have guildies in our mythic raiders with WA reminders to sit up and drink water

[rancid granite]

lol

link it

im always shouting for others fr the posture check and hydration check but im bad remembering myself

[boreal veldt]

i don't use WAs but when i watch the raid streams it looks close to this
https://wago.io/93aulZ7jv

[rancid granite]

right on

thanks :D

[vagrant locust]

QQ - do I get two weapons this reset if fury

Or am I persecuted by this multi dollar company for playing fury

[rancid granite]

yes fury gets 2 weps

idk if its warrior in general or fury only but might as well buy em as fury to be safe :)

[green wharf]

i use an addon to stop the tab-pet thing, it helped me a lot

[rancid granite]

macros saved me

PvP, PvE keybindings for that

and one for tabbing allies in battlegrounds

[true tiger]

arcane mages are fkn insane man

wtf

[sharp meteor]

o ya mage hotfix tier levels of power rn

need tuning

[ebon steeple]

The slows are annoying

[spice hornet]

Alter time and master of time talent need nerf

Overpower barrier slow slowing through bladestorm is also complete bs

[vagrant locust]

man

we're hitting this hard with honor weapons

this is gonna be wild af

[green wharf]

20%nerf on demolish?

[vagrant locust]

what is the priority interrupt vs. affliction?

[green wharf]

they just fixed half a dozen bugs

end

[indigo barn]

Hotfixes vs tuning pass

Be patient the mage buffs will come soon

[spice hornet]

Fear mainly

If they’re cooked and not going for that on your healer then you can do UA, or maleific since it’ll lock them out of all schools

[green wharf]

[spice hornet]

Haunt isn’t bad to stop their burst but I usually just reflect that

[inner sigil]

how good would everyone here say ret is

in a tier list

[uneven lava]

How many of you will have the 4 set come reset? and if so how?

[sharp meteor]

I got prot 4pc and it kind of owns.

Idk about arms and its probs not worth for fury

missing cosmic 4pc mang

[uneven lava]

Thats one class i can't really pick because occasionally you get a real mean one

[inner sigil]

but is ret good rn

[uneven lava]

Prot 🙄

haha

[sharp meteor]

[sharp meteor]

Rets a good enabler.

Even if its not great.

You just freedom/sanc/sac

and keep your ww/warrior/hunter/havoc/feral ownin people

[inner sigil]

it is a utility powerhouse

[sharp meteor]

kind of low on output rn in pve and pvp so investing now decent option

as i imagine buffies within a few weeks

and you'll always have at least one overtuned spec to empower, probably bm hunter again

[uneven lava]

WHY ARE HUNTERS ALWAYS GOOD

they need a shit season

[ebon steeple]

Good dam, good cc etc. Their tool kit is all around good kinda like warr

So will be meta one way or another

[uneven lava]

Their turtle is more annoying than any bubble

the audacity of them

[inner sigil]

i mean

ret blessing of an'she is hitting like a TRUCK atm

[urban skiff]

sometimes i want to tabtarget pets though

[uneven lava]

Ret is so predictable though lets be honest. You dont need weak auras to tell exactly what's going on with them, and wings is easily mitigated

[urban skiff]

The better melee gets, the better the classes that can deal with melee gets

[uneven lava]

That addon is essential

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-homelander-the-boys-i-don't-get-it-huh-gif-13670748107262456691

[urban skiff]

When you're fury and the arms you're fighting just hit parry to stop your frenzied regen and the hunter is still hammering you?

Or for my shaman, so I can spread flameshock when healers get all antsy about spamming dispels

Ain't nobody dispelling pet#9

[uneven lava]

well that makes logical sense, but it doesn't account for everything. Of the half dozen seasons ive played they don't fall below the A-teir like all other classes do

[urban skiff]

Can't think of a single season where rogue and mage hasn't also been up there

[uneven lava]

yeah true

my 2s rdruid buddy and i were getting wrecked today by that combo

[green wharf]

then hit the hunter?

you can still manually target with the mouse though

still is a very specific scenario imo

[urban skiff]

Not a specific scenario

just the first scenario

I'm not going to list all of them

The next one is to spread flameshock when the healer wants to dispel a lot

What the heck are the criteria to be featured on murlokio as tank? Everything else is just 1600 rating but for tank it's apparently 2100+ rating even when it means there's only two tanks shown?

win one blitz to get rank 25/25

[green wharf]

i think murlok only count people with 1.9+

[urban skiff]

Huh, it was 1600 earlier

in 2s the limit is now 1800, I think there's an algorithm enabled that sets the lower bound

what the heck is up with this, just transfering servers on everything?

[green wharf]

isnt that dude who only play shaman

and have like 40

[urban skiff]

usually his characters are named big dam, not just in the big dam guild

And cabals/cabalmembers thing is something Saul talks a lot about on stream

[green wharf]

@urban skiff i noticed i bought 2 intelect weapons on my enh

that was why it was so hard to kill mofos in wpvp

[urban skiff]

lol

holy fuck

[lucid walrus]

gruesome

[urban skiff]

bricked pretty hard

[green wharf]

it was honor, so it was fine

then i bought a shield

and rocking with ele now

[lucid walrus]

had me real worried there for a sec

[urban skiff]

Always make sure you have it set to enh when buying

that goes for all hybrid specs

[green wharf]

lightining and fire combo with farseer

[green wharf]

i had

for some reason i still bought the wrong one

[vestal mortar]

ty blizz

[urban skiff]

waaaait what?

why is that 8v9?

are you in RBG??

[vestal mortar]

its a blitz

game was over before the gates opened

[urban skiff]

sounds like someone didn't join and it couldn't or didn't backfill?

[green wharf]

wait

that is one extra people on blitz?

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-really-seriously-chris-pratt-parks-and-recreation-gif-22917032

[robust hearth]

still climbing boys

[fickle forge]

MM 😴

[robust hearth]

I think I'll try ww monk next after I get 2400 on hunter

[green wharf]

abuse it while you can

[urban skiff]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING

we did it boys!

season is saved from the wwocalypse

glittering glass is the new vicious bloodstones

[green wharf]

i like these numbers

[green wharf]

this is for what, the big dumb lightining?

[urban skiff]

lol i have no idea

I just like being loud

man I just want my 11.1.5 UI update already

[robust hearth]

R u trolling? Cuz I'm still using blood stones??

[urban skiff]

FOR MAKING GOLD

🙂

[robust hearth]

Oh ok

[urban skiff]

My bad, i should have been more specific

womp

[robust hearth]

WTF R those even uses for?

[urban skiff]

zero clue

for making gold?

[robust hearth]

Blood stones still 5k per for a single

[urban skiff]

not in eu

[robust hearth]

Ah EU makes sense

[urban skiff]

My tip for glittering glass is to buy as much as you're comfortable losing if you're wrong, whenever it dips below 90g

it always pops up past 110g+ again

it can go as low as 10-15g

My big mistake in s2 was that I went too hard on bloodstones instead of diversifying with glass. I looked at them at 11g and thought it would be a loss

hehe, i'm in trouble

huh

[urban skiff]

rate my enh shaman transmog

how angry would you be over losing to this?

[green wharf]

-3/10

[urban skiff]

Would it work though?

[green wharf]

work on what

[boreal veldt]

do you have the darkmoon jester hat?

[urban skiff]

I do

[boreal veldt]

send it

cause i'd be fuckin mad

[urban skiff]

is it creepier?

[boreal veldt]

it's a big dumb jester hat

it just reminds me of all the invaders who grief on dark souls 2 and 3

jankiest fits

[urban skiff]

guess what my shaman is called

[fickle forge]

The vibe I got

[urban skiff]

oh yeah that's my experience too

and you can't say it's inflation because i played the start of s1 too, not the end

[fickle forge]

AWC predictions

[urban skiff]

That's wrong though

F tier already signed up

so ENH will be played

why doesn't ww and spriest get put into win potential?

[fickle forge]

They will not win AWC

[urban skiff]

Yeah but why not? I thought they both had excellent damage

[fickle forge]

RMP is crazy right now, and it's played by Whaazz and Raiku

They win by default

[azure moss]

Are you really saying Rog mag priest will win for the 100th year ?

Or has the highest potential to

[azure moss]

Games with F tier were the only entertaining matches imo

[urban skiff]

ain't that the truth

[azure moss]

Everything else was just the same shit since tbc

[urban skiff]

cdew losing his shit on twitter after because he lost to f tier was just

[azure moss]

Or look rps/rmp/jungle

[urban skiff]

Yeah I'd definitely see jungle having a chance against RMP/FMP

[azure moss]

Maybe that's why awc viewership is always so dog

[fierce elm]

awc viewership is dog because WoW pvp is a dogshit thing to watch

fuck you mean lmao

[urban skiff]

heavy control matches just aren't interesting and that's saying something, considering how boring wow pvp is to watch in the first place

[azure moss]

It could be MORE entertaining if it weren't the same bloody comps for 20 years

[fierce elm]

Watching a 3v3 from an outside perspective is mad aids

[azure moss]

Watching Saul play enhance ww or even chan in SL was actually something different

I mean chunLi*

[wheat jay]

What comp would you play?

[azure moss]

The comp that wins

[wheat jay]

You can't invent any comp that wasnt already played 100 timss lol

[urban skiff]

survival ww

[wheat jay]

And you lose

[urban skiff]

BAM, stupid and weird and not played

[wheat jay]

How would that be exciting?

You trap

Do damage

Done

[fierce elm]

Its budget Jungle

lmao

[wheat jay]

Zero depth

Ye that too lol

[fierce elm]

Clone is replaced with Para

[azure moss]

Obviously every comp has been played

[fierce elm]

Dots becomes pure burst

[azure moss]

How many comps actually make it far

Where's the wmd

Thunder

[fierce elm]

AWC is dead anyways

[urban skiff]

not iraq

[azure moss]

Ww/x

[fierce elm]

and they clearly dont care about it lmao

[azure moss]

DH/x

[azure moss]

True true

Soon to be iran

[fierce elm]

If the ladder is dying why would they care about AWC kek

[azure moss]

Is the ladder dying because blizzard doesn't care or the other way round

[wheat jay]

both

wow pvp is just an overcomplicated mess

it doesn't bring ANY new players

only loses

[fierce elm]

Blizzard doesn't care and don't want to add anything that makes it worthwhile for players to do utside of Elite set

3s has been dying for a long ass time and SS cemented that entirely

[wheat jay]

noone in their sane mind wants to learn 30+ specs

all their abilities

how to counterplay and react to them

while also doing your dps

[fierce elm]

There is practically no reason to play 3s or 2s compared to blitz or shuffle if your goal is rewards which is majority of the playerbase

[wheat jay]

then there's anti-cc, positioning, cc, drs, all the other shit

[fierce elm]

Why play 40 3s games to hit 1600 when you can play 3 SS games to hit 1600

[wheat jay]

UI SETUP which is terrible

[azure moss]

Why play 3s at all

[wheat jay]

glad mount

[fickle forge]

Ye so you're the same then

[fierce elm]

That is practically what the thought is

[azure moss]

Literally linkedin simulator

[wheat jay]

it is

[fierce elm]

Rating gain sucks, finding people sucks, the rewards are mid for the effort being put in

[azure moss]

How many people can get glad lol that's a horrible incentive

[wheat jay]

yep

[azure moss]

Atleast upgrade their dog water lfg system

[fierce elm]

Person discovers the reason 3s is dying live

[fickle forge]

3s is a way more enjoyable experience than shuffle though

[wheat jay]

he's becoming aware

[azure moss]

Didn't need to discover it when I was running laps in oribos applying for lfg

[wheat jay]

basically 3s is for tryhards

[fierce elm]

They just gotta throw Glad mount in SS and 3s is gone lmao

[wheat jay]

3s would NEVER recover xD

final nail in the coffin

[fickle forge]

It's literally the better bracket

Infinitely more enjoyable than the garbage shuffle is

[wheat jay]

yes

but lfg

[fickle forge]

What about the LFG

[wheat jay]

we enjoy it because we have james healing us

we do not enjoy it with dogshit lfg healers

lets be real

[fickle forge]

As if your shuffle healer isn't dogshit

[azure moss]

3s is fun when you play with friends

Don't think anyone denies that

[wheat jay]

ye, but in shuffle everyone has that dogshit healer

[fickle forge]

Ye, so we're all suffering equally

With dog healers and dampening that ramps up within 3 nanoseconds

[wheat jay]

yes

and we skip the lfg process

[fickle forge]

And replaced it with Q times

[wheat jay]

or hearing "AHHHH IM SO BORED" from your homie

[azure moss]

3s is the boomer bracket, just accept its fate

[fickle forge]

I will man

Imma accept it over shuffle

I have infinitely more fun playing it

Q time is instant and it feels like a proper game

[azure moss]

Fun? In my video game

[fierce elm]

I want Solo shuffle AWC lmao

dont fucking @ me

[azure moss]

They had one tourney for it

[fierce elm]

Throw in all the great players, randomize the fuck out of it

[azure moss]

It was pretty fun to watch

[fickle forge]

Meanwhile I never lost my shit as hard as when I was Q'ing shuffle

[wheat jay]

not true

[azure moss]

They had one in DF

[wheat jay]

let me remind you of desk slam FUCKKKKKKK THIS GAME IS SO DOGSHIT, IM DONE BYE

and you went offline

[fickle forge]

Sitting 45-60 min Q time back to back, just to Q into the same triple paladin lobby that I lose to by default

[fickle forge]

Dragonflight moment

[wheat jay]

shadowlands moment

XD

[fierce elm]

TWW moment

[azure moss]

You really never slammed your table during SL dying to backpedalling boomy 0.1 in convoke?

[fierce elm]

He did

more than once

[azure moss]

Cmon

[wheat jay]

karighs is the desk slammer

[fickle forge]

I would still take that over sitting double searing glare, into quad BoP, into double bubble into whatever the 3rd CC has got

[azure moss]

That exists in 3s too

[fierce elm]

Not this season : )

[fickle forge]

It doesn't though

[fierce elm]

Hpala is in the dumpster

Ret is in the dumpster

Double bop gone

[fickle forge]

Nobody is Q'ing double pala in 3s and the game actually lasts beyond 1.5 min

[azure moss]

Surprised no one mentioned double mage rsham in blades edge

[fickle forge]

1 pala can effectively remove every CS I press in a shuffle before the round ends

I love sitting an hour in Q for that experience

Also @wheat jay we've found an LFG healer within 5-10 minutes every time

[urban skiff]

this has been my experience all morning

[wheat jay]

ye and they suck dick lmao

[fickle forge]

We had 2 R1 shams back to back yesterday wdym

[wheat jay]

oh right i forgot we play comp with 0 synergy

just dmg

xD

[fickle forge]

The last Rsham we played with was from my friendlist

[urban skiff]

did my execute just crit 4m?

[wheat jay]

why didnt he come voice then?

[fickle forge]

Don't know, I haven't spoken to him before

We just Q'd a few times when I was LFG'ing on my warr and then he decided to sign up

He's 3.1k

[fickle forge]

Seems to be the case

Why exclude what target you hit it on?

[urban skiff]

wait i can see that?

[fickle forge]

Can you just include the box below your damage profile

[rancid granite]

where is your depths enchants and focus lens?

[urban skiff]

eeeeh

I forgot to gem

[fierce elm]

this dood man

[urban skiff]

it takes a lot of effort right now to climb down from 1600!

Can't just mash face and expect to bottom out

no but seriously, i'm absolutely drowning

[fierce elm]

holy fuck my guy lmao

[urban skiff]

I can partially blame playing during the day on a weekday

[fierce elm]

this just aint your season

[urban skiff]

But the rest is just all me

[urban skiff]

tell me about it

[fierce elm]

this is wild brother bear

[urban skiff]

I flew up to 1650, and then it was just draw after draw after draw on my warrior

tried queuing my enh last night and it was 1-5,0-6, 2-4. Just sunk my shuffle on that too

Now my MMR is = my rating on both toons

at least enh is fun in blitz

but in shuffle everyone knows to dispel flame shock, which they didn't do a week ago. So it's a real struggle to do anything with my shaman

[fierce elm]

Im out here grinding Terraria

[urban skiff]

Resorting to cleave flameshock off of pets now just to be able to use my cooldowns

[green wharf]

i see 2m

[fierce elm]

fury brother

we have been through this

its two hits

[urban skiff]

fury has two damage instances per button press

And offhand is always half of mainhand

if you have equal ilvls

[green wharf]

i doubt both hits were 2m, but who knows

[rancid granite]

great game and its > minecraft

[urban skiff]

maybe i'm struggling because I'm in greens

[fierce elm]

Modded terraria

[rancid granite]

also zercher i bet you'd be a good sub rogue

[fierce elm]

we spent about 3 hours on Skeletron Prime yday

lmao

[urban skiff]

I'm pretty ok as feral tbh

[rancid granite]

it embraces the zug but gives something for ytour brain to do and calculate

lol

[urban skiff]

there's just damage, no interval

and offhand damage is always halved

[copper fox]

“Attempts to finish off a foe”

[urban skiff]

So if mainhand hits for 100 damage, offhand always hits for 50 damage. They crit together

[copper fox]

Regularly fails

[urban skiff]

tbh every attack i do attempts to finish off a foe

[urban skiff]

I could never figure out how to deal damage with sub

[copper fox]

lol so true

[green wharf]

why are you not buying itens

[urban skiff]

idunno

I got crafts and some bloody token stuff?

I'm probably losing a bit of damage by not having 2set and conq weapons where others do have that

[fierce elm]

why not just buy 2 set lmao

with the conq you have

[urban skiff]

tbh i had forgotten about that until someone asked me about lens

[fierce elm]

oh my lord

[urban skiff]

I knew there was something I hadn't done

[green wharf]

thats why you are not leaving 1.600, everyone by now is fully gemed and with two conquest pieces

you are enrfing yourself way too hard

[urban skiff]

the 1h classes are also buying weapons

[rancid granite]

depths/focus lens are a pretty sizeable chunk of dmg alone

[fierce elm]

Depths does a lot

but just get the 2 set lmao

[green wharf]

you guys are goign depth?

it seems radiant one is better

[fierce elm]

its 50/50

depths does mroe damage imo

[urban skiff]

Is that for everyone or mostly fury advice?

[rancid granite]

one more: zug harder

the amount of people i seen in spamming healer games who are incredibly invested in kiting, cc'ing, etc

pretty wild

[sterile moth]

The strength buff on radiant is what makes it good

[urban skiff]

feral

all my gear is crafted

🫠

[green wharf]

does it work going main hand radiant offhand depts?

or you need double one

[fierce elm]

who knows

this is nerd stuff I dont think about

[green wharf]

[green wharf]

but why

[urban skiff]

is optimalcat

Meow

[green wharf]

[azure moss]

Double depths always or don't bother

Stacks faster and also makes sure it never falls off unless you're hard kited

[sterile moth]

We will see happens with upgraded weapons this week but almost all top warriors are double radiant now

[robust hearth]

this isnt warrior's patch

and 11.1.5 isnt gonna fix warriors

blizz doesnt want warriors to be in a good place this tier

and season

[fierce elm]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-baby-cry-gif-13060743193639102619

[robust hearth]

calm down next season is the comeback arc

[fierce elm]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-baby-cry-gif-13805535

[robust hearth]

[rancid granite]

damnit i thought this patch was gonna fix wb

magnusz guide week 3, conquest boots

[fierce elm]

lmao

Its cooked

[rancid granite]

yeah im yoloing it all now based on what i think will work lol

[low wren]

so i got my weapon tokens

should i buy both weapons that are good for fury or buy one thats good for arms and one thats good for fury

[rancid granite]

fury doesnt mind some haste and arms doesnt mind some mastery

[sharp meteor]

They...use the same weapon.

[rancid granite]

fact check me kennie

[low wren]

oh i wasnt aware sorry

in that case which one do i take lmao

[sharp meteor]

Mastery because crit is terrible.

[low wren]

oh i thought there woulda been a haste vers one but its vers mas gotcha

[rancid granite]

there is

isnt there

[sharp meteor]

When conquest is uncapped you can make a haste weapon if you'd really like.

But there's a decent amount of sources for all three of our stats.

We're just dodging crit.

[rancid granite]

maybe the haste i saw was a 1h'er then :)

[copper fox]

Bruh

Anyone asking, depths is 100% better than radiant

(For fury)

[urban skiff]

You dont do comeback in the final season. That's bad storytelling

[sterile moth]

Is SMF better in duels against sub rogue?

[shut tangle]

Hey guys are we wearing 2 set or 4 set for pvp this season?

@ me please

[spice hornet]

4 ser looks bad

[fierce elm]

@ me please

[sterile moth]

Arms 4 seems like it might be good, fury not as much

[fierce elm]

we can't really test 4 piece but @ me please

Unless we have very specific people who raid and pvp at a high level

[rancid granite]

think if i said i left WoW logged in and my nephew spent my conquest tokens on 1h/shield they'd refund me so i can get a 2h cause healing is killing my soul?

[fierce elm]

maybe lmao

unless you already queued

and played games

[rancid granite]

i q'd like 10x already and still remain about exactly 1700

[fierce elm]

yeah no

[rancid granite]

but i can't do anything else cause im addicted

cause i want 1800 as healer

ill get chatgpt to write up a sob story

[robust hearth]

Lol there's still a 4th season

[urban skiff]

No. TWW has 3 seasons only

Part of their masterplan to do 3 expansions in a short time

[fierce elm]

thank god

[robust hearth]

Still 6 month long season

Good thing I'll be playing MoP classic till then

[low wren]

did i fuck up or is the gearing guide wrong cause im pretty sure i didnt buy any bloody token gear last week cause it says to buy helm and pretty sure i didnt have enough after capping

[fierce elm]

Mags guide is wrong yeah

[boreal veldt]

we really should take it off pins

[low wren]

so heres my question should i prioritize the helm or buy wrist and belt this week

[fierce elm]

we really shold

@knotty atlas hey big man

can you remove a pin for us

[knotty atlas]

Yes.

[fierce elm]

this one

[knotty atlas]

Which one we nuking?

Done.

[fierce elm]

Thanks G

[boreal veldt]

Bless

[low wren]

so should i buy helm or wrist and belt ?

[fierce elm]

What do you have right now?

did you follow the rest of the guide?

[low wren]

the honor gear

i followed the guide into week 2 without buying the bloody helm so i was on week 3 lol

and just got weapons today

[fierce elm]

So you have bloody token hands, conquest chest and medallion?

and cloak?

[low wren]

yes and conq insignia and bloody cloak

so i have exactly enough bloody tokens to buy wirst/belt or i buy helm and have left over tokens

[fierce elm]

I would personally try to recover and grab wrist+belt from Bloody tokens but thats me

then try to get Conq helmet

Its gonna be a bit messy regardless

Its either that or grab Helmet and maybe have tokens to afford boots next week

with bloody tokens

[low wren]

ok i never bought helm so ill do that then i guess seems like im gonna be not buying anything next week by the looks of things then be filled out the week after prob

thanks for the help

[fierce elm]

yeah its gonna be a bit scuffed

thankfully it wont matter in a few weeks

[low wren]

true say

[boreal veldt]

all warriors get 4 weapon tokens now right, don't need to be fury or anything

ye?

oh right it's an achieve now, not a quest

[rancid granite]

well 2 but the 2h's are 1k

[grand echo]

why was there just a prot warr in my ss lobby? hmm

for anyone wanting to try it, imma be real and say it didnt really work out for him

[sharp meteor]

It's fun.

[spice hornet]

Prot can get very high rated

Sadly

[sharp meteor]

First time above 2400 on it last season and almost finished legend wins.

[verbal tangle]

Because it's actually good

[inner sigil]

make arms great again

[grand echo]

Guess he was just a bad sample then

[sharp meteor]

Naw.

It's good by tank standards, though.

[inner sigil]

hey guys

looks like monk is very strong rn

better nerf warrior!

[obsidian lodge]

Hey guys how much haste should i be shooting for as fury?

[spice hornet]

Mortal Strike getting its head blown off in pre-season before any honor gear but MM/WW avoiding any tuning was bizarre

[sharp meteor]

yoooo feral windwalker mage btw

rogue btw

arms and dk always getting 30% nerfs when they're too op to 2k shuffle players

[spice hornet]

im seriously considering just swapping to rogue at this point

[sharp meteor]

They always have one spec that's beyond stupid.

[spice hornet]

all i do is arena. that class all 3 specs are minimum A tier with nearly gauranteed 1 spec being S+.

[sharp meteor]

Fury has been alright-good but Rogue and Feral are legit stupid.

[spice hornet]

i sit here on warrior, wanting arms, being forced into fury all these expacs, arms feels bad to play needs a redesign. all capstones or talents giga nerfed. Dragon roar constantly being pushed

3 second stun when rogue has a spammable 4 second stun available seemingly ~75% of the time

[rancid granite]

buddy you're saying /exactly/ what i say to myself and is the reason why i play rogue too

[spice hornet]

yeah i think about it all the time

[rancid granite]

at certain points i hate rogue because it's not warrior, though

so i flip flop

[spice hornet]

i started in 2005 as rogue til wotlk then swapped warrioror and never alted til DF when they made it easy

[rancid granite]

i like the rp/class fantasy of warrior but sometimes the gameplay/playstyle of other classes i like more... so >.>

roll yourself a new rogue, a nice pocket pick

do both

[boreal veldt]

real and true, although i don't think i feel forced into fury, i do agree with a lot of this

the entirety of arms' execute talents need to be scrapped

modifiers and ramp gameplay are out of control imo

[rancid granite]

arms/fury in general seem a bit bland

[boreal veldt]

thane is a great direction

and so was necro lord banner and spear

and blademaster would have been too

but pve bois hate bladestorm and the devs are scared of blademaster lore

[ancient sonnet]

#20 Moving on up!

[sharp meteor]

Huuuge

[rancid granite]

whats the difference? in my mind slayer=blademaster; but i havent played warcraft lol

[boreal veldt]

vibes mostly but blademaster was a crit machine and coined the iconic bladestorm

slayer is temu blademaster with no lore or vibes

[rancid granite]

oh crit machine that makes sense

damn i need to play those remasters

[torn sigil]

damn where did the pinned gear guide go?

[copper fox]

Stat prio is pinned. The other guide was actually ass

[torn sigil]

it didnt feel great tbh lmao

[sharp meteor]

lmao

I feel like teacing people why they're gearing is bis

no more vault rng so its not too complicated

[torn sigil]

ive kind of always prioed the same items since cata

[sharp meteor]

i mean its always weapon big pieces tier avoid crit

well in general ig

[lavish quest]

Gearing Guide
Wait a couple months and see what the full BiS list is from the top players on their characters.

[sharp meteor]

u cant rly own urself too hard anymore

[lavish quest]

Someone pin that

[torn sigil]

ill have weap 4 set rings neck bracers both trinkets and cloak this week

[sharp meteor]

why wait tho lol

just buy w/e

q up

conq uncapped later

legit nothing matters for 4 months

[torn sigil]

real

[sharp meteor]

all u risk is being marginally behind when nothin matters

[lavish quest]

BiS. The question answers itself there

[sharp meteor]

ya bro afk for 2 months until the dumbdumbs think they know how to gear

cmon

[lavish quest]

[copper fox]

There’s literally 2 viable stats and arms stacks one of them and fury stacks the other

I don’t see what’s hard

[lavish quest]

Breaking out of 1600, that's what

Clearly it's the gear holding me back

Anything else is inconceivable

[copper fox]

The 3 best NA “ladder warriors” gear differently based on 0 science so copying them is a waste of time but then like @sharp meteor said it really doesn’t matter

Yes gear is absolutely holding everyone here back lol

BiS = easy 2400 ofc 🤌

[lavish quest]

It's all about the bissy

[torn sigil]

whos a busy bissy bussy

[lavish quest]

Few appreciate the finer parts of bis

[sterile moth]

@sharp meteor is our compass here. He always has sound, level headed advice spoken in simple terms.

[fierce elm]

lmao

totally

[lavish quest]

This is the view of the furry?

We're lost

[torn sigil]

ngl kennie gets a pass

[sterile moth]

Absolutely! He even has a squire so you know he’s legit

[sharp meteor]

Following most of the principals of, like, just avoiding overlap and crit

[lavish quest]

New guy shoes up and be givin out passes... 🤔

[sharp meteor]

Idk if 4pc good for arms/fury that might throw a bit of a wrench into gearing

because rushing that means pve which is 😵‍💫

[ebon steeple]

i think 2 pc for warr is just fine

4pc seems nice but stats seem better

[sharp meteor]

but as long as you don't cook wep or buy a conq piece then bloody token piece in the same slot or w/e you can't really brick your char and worst case scenario you're only bricked until conq uncapped

[lavish quest]

We already in pve brother

[sharp meteor]

ye pve is a vibe

got mythic shouldies today probs converting those

and skipping leggies

[lavish quest]

My soon to be 3k mount will beat the shit out of the glad mounts

[copper fox]

The 3k mount is sick

[ebon steeple]

What's the 3k mount

i don't pve at all

[lavish quest]

Goblin shredder tank thing

Vs bat

[copper fox]

Yes that

[sharp meteor]

Black shredder.

Versus red one from ksm

Idk I like the new mech thing

Vicious eel also kind of cool

[lavish quest]

New mechs are cool. Haven't gotten one yet

[copper fox]

@sharp meteor carry me for that mount

[rancid granite]

videogames matter a lot to people fyi

making a good decision on gear is just a skill issue

[sharp meteor]

Umm I'm in two cords that do glory runs if you have a semi geared pve char and listen to the raid leader ramble through strats.

[copper fox]

Yea I’m down I’ve only cleared on normal every week but my lock is my pve char

[rancid granite]

will they boost my holy paladin from 1750-1800 in ss? at this point im willing to pay

[copper fox]

Bruh

[upbeat smelt]

Which mount is this

[copper fox]

Glory raider

[sharp meteor]

New raid glory

[copper fox]

(Raid achievements)

[sharp meteor]

which for the most part felt pretty alright?

[copper fox]

Yea they don’t seem hard

I got like 4 of them on accident just playing

[sharp meteor]

They been making them less awful lately

a few old glories used to be actual agony

[upbeat smelt]

Ya that’s a sick mount

[ebon steeple]

Oh that might just make me pve

[boreal veldt]

does the eel swim fast too?

[torn sigil]

its next week conquest is uncapped?

[copper fox]

No

Not even close lol

[torn sigil]

damn

[vivid pumice]

different classes are gonna scale differently depending on gear level. Some will be harder to beat early on, and then become easier and vice versa. We won't really know how the meta shakes out until everyone is fully geared.

[boreal veldt]

i definitely feel better on warr with big purple wep

[torn sigil]

anyone elses honor get reset on all chars?

or did i get activisioned

[sharp meteor]

It...resets on expansion launch. That's about it, though.

Are you sure you didn't transfer it all to one character?

[ancient sonnet]

I followed Mags guide and bought both trinkets. Doesn't really matter what ya buy as long as you're getting the right stats

[copper fox]

What?

That has nothing to do with what I said lol

Fury prios mastery and arms prios haste

Nothing changes that

[vivid pumice]

I said (I think jokingly) that gear was holding everyone back, and I was commenting that different classes will be better or worse with lower gear levels depending on their stat prios and whether or not they benefit from tier.

[copper fox]

Yea that was sarcasm gear doesn’t hold anyone back

They’re garbage gameplay does most of the time

Their

[rancid granite]

same as blaming racials lol

[green wharf]

rough

[green wharf]

fuck shadowmeld though

[copper fox]

Yep lol

That’s why I always play off meta races

[torn sigil]

i had some last week on a few chars and every other char except main has 1 honor now

fuck it

[rancid granite]

shadowmeld for rogue vanish reset is kinda bullshit but everything else w/e :p

[green wharf]

not rly, when one racial can dodge most of the missiles and drop combat to eat/drink

[stark agate]

shadowmeld for dodging cc or getting an instant drink is also bullshit

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[stark agate]

Funny I just lost a close game to someone shadowmelding right before they were going to die then 2 shotting my hunter with chaos bolt

It was a really good play but still shadowmeld enabled that which is bullshit

[quiet dagger]

What are some pointers too target selection / swaping in particular 2s aside from swapping on major cds for example priest domes or ps, when else should I be swapping

[copper fox]

When you can’t hit something

[green wharf]

its a lame ass skill yeah

you can dodge stormbolt, chaos bolts, coils, all sort of projectiles

aimed shot

you lose the target, the skill go cd/you lose resources

compltely obnoxious

[median lynx]

So...is it possible to make SMF decent (I know it won't ever be good) in pvp? Wondering since I'm an Arms main, and am close to getting my 2 weapon tokens but curious is I can get SMF to work

[fierce elm]

Question

why would you want to run SMF

[green wharf]

you can buy two 2h with the tokens

[median lynx]

Better Transmogs and I don't like how goofy I look holding two giant weapons in each hand

[fierce elm]

I mean you can make anything work

it depends on what you mean as 'decent'

[median lynx]

I know that the thing is that I already have a crafted 2-hander

[fierce elm]

SMF is never going to be decent in a sense compared to other specs

[median lynx]

Like, perform well enough. Obv it won't be better than Titan's Grip but if it's playable and can do dmg then

[fierce elm]

anything is playable so yes

[median lynx]

As for that crafted 2-hander, I'll just put it here so you can tell me if the Conq Weapon would be better or not

[green wharf]

its gonan be crap and way behind, but its functional

[fierce elm]

Conq weapon is not gonna be better

[median lynx]

Yeah cus I just, prefer SMF aesthetically especially if I ever get Thunderfury

[fierce elm]

However, for early-season gearing it is better because you can spend heraldries on other things

I mean if you are an Arms main it doesnt matter much does it

Fury is merely a for fun spec in that case

[green wharf]

i preffer to run focused lens instead of ascendence

[median lynx]

Well to me Main just means what I usually play not what I only play

[green wharf]

i did ascendence in season 1 and it was way behind

[median lynx]

Yeah I like my variety I've just been sticking to Arms all last week so I could hit 1800 and get my transmogs

[fierce elm]

But yeah, aslong as you are aware you are outright limiting yourself by a large amount you can play SMF without issue

[median lynx]

Also I thought of SMF just cus again, already have a crafted 2-hander, I'd only need one Conq 2-hander for Fury by then so the double tokens feels redundant unless I wanna buy a one hander for the occassional "haha" Prot Warrior moments

[fierce elm]

If you wanna play SMF just be a chad and play SMF lmao

[median lynx]

Will do cus I am prolly not gonna grind Rating anymore after the minor hell I went thru, lol. I just wanted the old PVP gear and now I have it

Are there any builds tho that can make SMF work? I have a MT thane one but idk how good it is.

(Again, good being relative here.)

[fierce elm]

I reckon its the same as every other Fury build

just that you take SMF

[median lynx]

Well thing is I don't ever know what skill could be sacrificed for SMF.

I'm now realizing another reason SMF friggin sucks- lmao