there you go
#pvp
wheat jay
fossil mortar
Aight, so 1.3 baseline, without warbreaker?
wheat jay
you're not hitting harder than that, maybe on a mage lmao
fickle forge
With every CD
fossil mortar
Aight, now do fury - and we at the goal
fickle forge
Artji is on DH, so no passive defensives and leather armor
fossil mortar
Gotta get em crits, smh
fickle forge
This one is the funnier part
fossil mortar
Ye ramp is a ton of fun
wheat jay
nice almost 3mil rampage
wheat jay
non crit execute hits MUCH harder
fossil mortar
200k more or less, sure
fickle forge
We didn't crit but
wheat jay
no crit again
fickle forge
fickle forge
3.5M Rampage is fair and balanced
fossil mortar
Is that with the BS buff on ramp, btw?
fickle forge
BS buff?
fossil mortar
Cant remember what it is called :v
fossil mortar
30% buff ya
fossil mortar
30%* in PvP
fossil mortar
With the Thane buff of whatever it is now in PvP
or did they forget to nerf it with the last pass?
fickle forge
Idk what we're talking about
fossil mortar
There is a thane talent that improves ramp dam
wheat jay
at this point most ppl play thane afaik
fossil mortar
In PvP activated? No wonder it busted ticks
wheat jay
cuz its same ST dmg
fossil mortar
Ye, would be silly not to, if it isnt tuned for PvP
fickle forge
Thane is what you play in PvP now so
fossil mortar
One day they gonna remove the slayer mod nerfs in PvP, and it shall rise again
one day
wheat jay
and then you see people here crying they cant kill on fury XD
fossil mortar
What we got for being OP week 1 and in BGs with devs
I cant tho - I keep slapping on them, and their health don't move
wheat jay
literally how
it has to eb skill issue cuz i saw plenty of fury warrs do fucking 400k dps in shuffle
fossil mortar
No idea, RBGs got too many elmenents to know
wheat jay
and some do 700k
fickle forge
You're playing Slaughterhouse right
fossil mortar
To be fair, I should swap to Thane, for that 45% buff
Ye- I just gimping myself having fun playing Slayer
Ah right, in PvP they didnt nerf the %thane buff for execute either
fossil mortar
Ye - things make sense now
Slayer apparently does as much as thane with all its stacked mods, baseline
Thane needs to be nerfed :p
When I get home, I will just check all the mods. But I honestly expect they just forgot Thane ones - and I been playing with 30-40% less dam for no reason.
fickle forge
fickle forge
When I get home, I will just check all the mods. But I honestly expect they just...
You're definitely not doing 30% less dam from being slayer
wheat jay
and also rampage hits 2x harder than ms lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
craggy geyser
You're definitely not doing 30% less dam from being slayer
If that was the case slayer wouldn’t even be talked about lol
craggy geyser
Too much blue hair dye confusing em
wheat jay
Too much blue hair dye confusing em
Have you seen that d4 new season video?
Holy jesus
wheat jay
Its baaaad xD
craggy geyser
It’s gonna piss me off but here I go
fossil mortar
You're definitely not doing 30% less dam from being slayer
As our main portion of damage in the kill windown is rampage, having that baseline diff is huge. I guess you can argue bladestorm dam makes up for it with 3x indo - but doubt that.
Maybe in a scenario where hitting mutliple ppl is of particular value. But if slayer just got 30% weaker rampages, bts and executes - then Slayers 5% more of raging blow prob doesn't balance it out.
So not as much as I said sure, but it prob a huge diff is my gut feel. I will take your word for it tho, till I gotten to try it. Maybe I don't see a difference, and stay slayer.
craggy geyser
You'll know what i mean
I can’t even say exactly what I’m thinking in this chat because I’ll get banned lmfao
wheat jay
I can’t even say exactly what I’m thinking in this chat because I’ll get banned ...
Real xD
fossil mortar
Doubt you will be banned for your opinion. As you could likely say what you are thinking. Just phrased in a more sutiable way. It is more how you want to say it, that is the problem?
true tiger
what the rotation prio with thane build?
i know i click rampage whenever its available
craggy geyser
Doubt you will be banned for your opinion. As you could likely say what you are ...
Yes
true tiger
outside of that
wheat jay
Doubt you will be banned for your opinion. As you could likely say what you are ...
He will
So would I 
fossil mortar
Guarenteed, if you just don't use bad words. I believe in you - dont be silenced.
craggy geyser
Lmaooo
wheat jay
We will get NUKED in best case scenario
craggy geyser
🤣🤣🤣🤣
wheat jay
Worst case I bring 2nd pvp channel purge
craggy geyser
Actually loling
wheat jay
In case tou don't know, this is not 1st iteration of pvp channel
fossil mortar
I am aware
wheat jay
We can't speak our minds to that extent
fossil mortar
I seen PvP when it was going through its whole "edge boy" phase and the whole "I dont say I am... but" phases. Not to mention political PvP phase.
Those are good things that are gone, for sure. But why cant you comment on my in-game based opinion with counterpoints or comments?
I doubt you would get any flak for that.
fossil mortar
I see PvP still got its crowd set, fair. Ye, you should keep that under wraps and hide it forever more.
wheat jay
Lmao
green wharf
I can’t even say exactly what I’m thinking in this chat because I’ll get banned ...
what video, now im curious
craggy geyser
what video, now im curious
It’s D4 new season vid I was conned into watching by @wheat jay
green wharf
link
wanton sun
wtf am i supposed to do as fury war against arcane mage?
craggy geyser
Run
wanton sun
lol
craggy geyser
RP walk to be particular
wheat jay
Ye
wheat jay
nice
sterile moth
lol RP walk….not sure whether to laugh or cry
craggy geyser
lol RP walk….not sure whether to laugh or cry
im here for the laughs what can i say
rancid granite
Have you seen that d4 new season video?
season of witchcraft? looks pretty cool; no ugly characters, i feel i missed out never playing any diablo game
rancid granite
i thought it was gonna be awful like, i know what you're talking about
but that video was fine lmao
wheat jay
I guess problem with d4 is people expect poe2 level changes and content now
rancid granite
looked cool to someone who hasn't seen much of either* so in context idk
fickle forge
As our main portion of damage in the kill windown is rampage, having that baseli...
I mean I'm telling you bro, thane is only slightly better than slayer, they're both broken cause it's fury
rancid granite
where did yall land who has the bigger number hits
arms execute and ms, or fury execute and ms
wheat jay
Fury unstoppable non castable burst is the same as colossus full stacked combo
fickle forge
where did yall land who has the bigger number hits
Fury bigger
Buff arms
I hit Artji for a 3.5M Rampage
fickle forge
I mean fury is broken for a reason
It's the easiest melee with the easiest ladder comp in the game
rancid granite
thankfully fury legion artficats are better than arms too
sour crag
I faced dual Ass-rogues.
I swear..
And Surv hunter
Remind me what Surv-hunters do exactly?
Besides bouncing around like a jumping spider
green wharf
thankfully fury legion artficats are better than arms too
nah, these swrods were legit shit
but since they are BIG
it activate fury war neurons
but hey, i hate blade weapons that are long bricks, with no edge
wheat jay
thankfully fury legion artficats are better than arms too
You can use them on arms tho
rancid granite
only cool as a pair
sour crag
Mosquito dmg
For real? Not a threat for me then?
sour crag
gotcha
fossil mortar
Hm, my Ramps hit for around 2mill, or 450k a hit - got SS stacks, trinky and ava - what am I forgetting?
wheat jay
bigger biceps is what youre forgetting O_O
fossil mortar
So just a stat question, not something in particular I forgotten?
wheat jay
@fickle forge answer the man 😄
fossil mortar
More the reason to trust you
wheat jay
lmao
green wharf
i dont even main warrior in pvp
fossil mortar
Artji is just making sure warrior isnt over represented on the top end - he a unsung hero
wheat jay
lmao
fickle forge
<@278157108791476224> answer the man 😄
He doesn't trust me
sharp meteor
Remind me what Surv-hunters do exactly?
Gaslight people into thinking their spec is bad
fossil mortar
Ye, Thane is silly more powerful :p
When your Rampage hits for 900k strikes kinda consistently, then it is a bit too much
Hope they nerf Thane soon, holey moley
wheat jay
Gaslight people into thinking their spec is bad
it is bad 😦
fossil mortar
Question for how RBGs work nowdays, it still the same old nuke the healer - ye?
sharp meteor
when has it ever been "same old nuke the healer"
boreal veldt
Question for how RBGs work nowdays, it still the same old nuke the healer - ye?
definitely don't dive heals, gonna get kited into death
fossil mortar
Arent they the same?
slow solstice
Arent they the same?
nerf of
exotic forge
Hey man the Halo books are very good, okay?
slow solstice
nah
fickle forge
Ye, Thane is silly more powerful :p
It's not lmao
Slightly better
Slayer still pulls a little ahead on ST
fossil mortar
Doubt that. Slayer is better on ST in raid, yet it doesnt have nerfed talents
Maybe slayer strikes got some hidden proc chance in PvP, could be. I had it highroll for some 'ok' damage. But it is random and not a simple rampage press
violet fossil
My balls do more damage
fossil mortar
Noone doubt that, with that name
violet fossil
fickle forge
Doubt that. Slayer is better on ST in raid, yet it doesnt have nerfed talents
Telling ya they're almost equal lmao
Thane slightly better
And definitely better on cleave
fossil mortar
Yep, I agreed to that being very likely already
ST tho, Thane just better - no RNG involved
Just instant payoff, no slayerstrikes that might chose to not proc
fossil mortar
Yarp, if only it did dam that could kill someone I would have no complaints
fickle forge
It does
Lol
Fury is one of the most broken melee
You could break a broken build and it'd have kill pressure
fossil mortar
Yep, cause the power is in rampage, and it is core in all builds
Thane buffs that, so that be the direction that is just is more efficent
slow solstice
nerf onslaught
fickle forge
Yeah it do
fossil mortar
You would if you played
slow solstice
noob alert!
fossil mortar
check mate
slow solstice
funky help
fossil mortar
Hm?
fossil mortar
Sorry, game starting .- cant help ya
slow solstice
thats why of and onslaught need to be nerfed
fossil mortar
OF already nerfed so much it aint funny
rancid granite
You would if you played
true i havent been playing recently been too busy :(
fickle forge
If I can breeze 2.4k on arms ya'll can go 2.4k on fury
slow solstice
probably
i just dont queue enough or often
also if i spent like 10 minutes setting up macros or ui
fickle forge
Just Q up bro, fury is best shuffle melee
fierce elm
If I can breeze 2.4k on arms ya'll can go 2.4k on fury
2.4k mmr*
fossil mortar
Not sure if I am doing bad DPS, or ppl on my team just aint doing dam. Nothing dies >:(
slow solstice
kitty what cr are you
slow solstice
oh nooo
fossil mortar
It is fine, I will crawl upwards one win at a time
I just want to kill, yet game say no
no kill
only slap
Endscreen is me with like 5 kills and top of both teams, like this PvP bracket is the worst
fossil mortar
I will pay you in ehugs sent over a period of 24 years
fossil mortar
Why would I watch something that clickbait like that?
urban skiff
Why would I watch something that clickbait like that?
entertainment
slow solstice
bc you noob
urban skiff
i love tier lists
slow solstice
me when tierlist
urban skiff
they tell me what the normies in my rating range are going to do
fossil mortar
call it "Fury WARRIOR PUMP 1shot HELL YEAH!" and I will watch
fickle forge
I like to imagine Funky doing 200k dps in his games
fickle forge
You're probably cranking since you PvE
fossil mortar
I do less than gio
sour crag
Is the Skillcapped Data based on US or globally, I wonder?
fossil mortar
who knows
fickle forge
Probably just their conclusion after viewing it all
fossil mortar
btw, hard to do more than 200k overall DPS in RBGs, so much downtime 
slow solstice
prob true
fickle forge
Ain't cleaving hard enough then
fossil mortar
Greyscreen is a harsh mistress
sour crag
Also, what is being considered "lower ratings"? All below 1800?
fickle forge
Probably depends on who you ask
Sub-1600 was usually the low/casual bracket in the past
fossil mortar
anything under 2k probs
urban skiff
Sub-1600 was usually the low/casual bracket in the past
I second that 1600 and under is low
mid goes up to 1950 ish?
fierce elm
anything under 2.5 is low
fickle forge
2.4k in shuffle is top 1%
urban skiff
then there's high and top for the rest
sour crag
Huh, I'm surprised Restrodruid is low tier.. I thought they were pretty good, considering their treeform and cyclones.
slow solstice
my only xp playing 2s was wirh a glad resto
sour crag
I'll be honest, I've avoided zugging Rdruids due to their insane Hots
slow solstice
ive never been carried harder in my life
fickle forge
Rdruid gets swapped and dies every time
sharp meteor
not actual rdruids no
and yeah 2s is just having giant healer win matchup more often than not
sour crag
So basically, I chew their defenses as fury, if allowed?
fickle forge
If you swap an Rdruid and stun him out of form, you'll definitely get his trinket
Otherwise he's forced to tranq
fickle forge
You have 7 KBs
fossil mortar
that is nothing
fickle forge
What are you yapping about
fossil mortar
give me 20-30
slow solstice
real
sour crag
Somebody's hungry
fickle forge
Where's the rest of the scoreboard
fossil mortar
Gone forever to the mist of time
sour crag
I mean, does KB really matter? Usually they tend to be out of luck if several is targeting someone.
fossil mortar
They need to make a re-open scoreboard button
I would like that
Needless to say, I topped charts hard - soloing 2 ppl at a time trying to win that BG, because ppl simply refuse to help me getting kills
So I gotta do so myself
:(
sour crag
God forbid one cannot be independent while being Arms in BGs.
fickle forge
It makes sense now
fossil mortar
100%
If I aint talking about Odyn's Fury needing buffs, you can usually just shrug and move on
fickle forge
WoW is time consuming
fierce elm
I might try R1 shuffle arms this season
so 2.2?
fickle forge
so 2.2?
What are you gonna do when Forged Legend Karanze is standing next to your tiny ass ret pala
fierce elm
lmao
slow solstice
laugh
fickle forge
Oh the misery
slow solstice
i should prob start recording me pvping
urban skiff
urban skiff
i should prob start recording me pvping
do it
i crave content
I want to watch you play enh
fierce elm
I hope this is just flat tier list
and not based on ratings
lmao
Also see, Fury is the BEST melee in the game
slow solstice
I want to watch you play enh
ill do that after i get 2400
fierce elm
The BEST
urban skiff
I hope this is just flat tier list
It's based on what is good at low ratings
urban skiff
I assume it's based on how many of the low rated players are doing well?
fierce elm
Outlaw hard as fuck
dense herald
They need to make a re-open scoreboard button
wdym
fierce elm
tbf anyone degen enough to spec Outlaw can probably do better on it than the average player
dense herald
wasnt shift space open scoreboard
i remember kept getting annoyed opening scoreboard or smthin
north thicket
Rdruid gets swapped and dies every time
What other healers are a potential kill target for Fury? Definitely not holy pala, maybe disc priest if he is bad, maybe holy pr. Unsure about mw and rsh...
sour crag
If disc swapped health without adding a shield, it's an easy kill if you're quick
north thicket
Yeah, had some of these but I thought the player is just bad
lavish quest
ill do that after i get 2400
Just get it amirite
slow solstice
Just get it amirite
i fell to 2220
fossil mortar
wasnt shift space open scoreboard
Not after you left the BG
slow solstice
i went 1-5
fierce elm
what's so hard about outlaw?
A lot to keep track off
doing vanish+bte spam will net you subpar dps like a mofo lmao
slow solstice
A lot to keep track off
wdym
north thicket
I feel like I am not swapping enough on healers. In general people are ignoring healers and it doesn't feel right somehow
urban skiff
A lot to keep track off
just get the wa that tells you what to do tbh
fierce elm
Yeah no fuck that
slow solstice
how do you do damage as outlaw in pvp
sour crag
I barely touch healers becsause I'm still learning to do damage against other damagedealers.
urban skiff
I bet hekili users might be doing well enough these days
fierce elm
By calculating 20 moves ahead, watching your rolls, BtE spam and then not overcapping on random ass Combo points due to random procs
While also keeping regular rogue things in mind
Meanwhile Assa out here just singing dotting everything up because it doesnt matter
slow solstice
oh ig adding in ccing makes it harder
urban skiff
By calculating 20 moves ahead, watching your rolls, BtE spam and then not overca...
you're not listing 1800 CR requirements
fierce elm
While also handling infinite cooldown reduction
sour crag
So how do you counter Outlaw then?
slow solstice
ive only hit the dummy
fierce elm
By hitting Outlaws partner
slow solstice
never tried ccing
urban skiff
So how do you counter Outlaw then?
fuck them up
fierce elm
The issue is that Outlaw has a ton of CDR
So yui really gotta keep your eyes on what you have up
slow solstice
more than in pve
fierce elm
because suddenly its just up again
slow solstice
or is it the same?
fierce elm
The same
Its a good amount of stuff to keep track of, stuff that you don't have to track on other specs
Imagine having 5 things getting reduced cooldown because of combo point spending
slow solstice
i swear outlaw just always has damage and not a "go"
urban skiff
So yui really gotta keep your eyes on what you have up
not if you have hekili though
fierce elm
there you have Outlaw
slow solstice
if im just thinking pve wise
sour crag
And you sure know how good I am at tracking things
urban skiff
it doesn't give you top dps, but I bet it takes you to like 80% of the way
fickle forge
What other healers are a potential kill target for Fury? Definitely not holy pal...
Mistweavers that push out of port range and Hpriests going for CC
boreal veldt
i always wait a bit in solo to see if my outlaw bud is gonna use cc or can i throw some bolts, it's usually the later
fickle forge
Rdruid is just really swappable cause they got nothing for mitigation or healing when stunned
north thicket
Got it, thanks
sour crag
So ideally, if a Retdin bubbles up and has a resto druid, it's safe to swap to druid?
fickle forge
Barkskin is sorta piss
north thicket
What about rsh?
fierce elm
So Outlaw in general, just as an idea of what this specific spec has to track outside of regular rogue/pvp stuff. Vanish CDR, Adrenaline Rush CDR, Ghostly Strike CDR, Killing Spree CDR, Pistol Shot procs, BtE CDR, Roll the Bones and that entire mess, Supercharger stacks
That is without thinking about DRs or any CC or anything else
fickle forge
Rsham kinda durable, but any decent Rsham won't let you hit them
fierce elm
Its wild but its fun as fuck
north thicket
I see
fierce elm
Also forgot Blade flurry and blade flurry CDR
sour crag
Jesus. How is Outlaw even allowed.
fierce elm
and Cloak CDR
slow solstice
maybe im just pve brained but that just sounds fine
fierce elm
It is fine in PvE
slow solstice
like outlaw doesnt have significant spikes in damage
fierce elm
Because what are you tracking in PvE outside of kicks lmao
fierce elm
"Oh no I gotta keep track of when to kick one singular ability per pack"
dense herald
So Outlaw in general, just as an idea of what this specific spec has to track ou...
bro its not that hard
boreal veldt
Big envenom go bbrrrr
fierce elm
Add in the rest of what Arena is and you are in for a tracking nightmare
"Bro its not that hard" compared to the other specs on that list it absolutely is
And those are the things that you have to keep an eye for
fickle forge
Outlaw def have one of the highest skill ceilings
fierce elm
Which can be entirely weird for players due to most specs not having just flat out Cooldown reduction constantly on everything
dense herald
ii have to keep track of stuff to intervene
fierce elm
Meaning in their head they can know that something is on cooldowns
lmao
So yeah, Dealing damage on Outlaw is pretty hard unless you are satisfied BTE spamming
which you can easily hit 2k on in SS
However, the skill ceiling is pretty fucking high up
sour crag
What's BTE again?
fierce elm
Between the Eyes
fickle forge
Just go assassa and do 1M dps while AoE silencing
fierce elm
Yeah thats your other option lmao
which is infinitely easier
Outlaw is absurdly fun however
boreal veldt
Whats the macro situation for rog like nowadays
boreal veldt
thats valid af
fickle forge
Yeah ask both me and our 3rd if we slapped our faces when Afro said he wasn't using step+kick macro
sour crag
So, to summarize, in low tier SS, if I face an Outlaw and Assa, I should stay away from Outlaw? Since Assa is more dangerous not being kept on check, I guess
fierce elm
All you do versus Assa is to not stack people or you just die
lavish quest
i fell to 2220
I fell harder. Happens
sour crag
I'm just trying to understand how each rogue type works in order to counter them and keep them from causing trouble
fierce elm
Assa = Dont stack, can die
Outlaw = Cant die, disarm if they vanish
Sub = Don't trinket until Duel, disarm duel maybe even parry, can die
sour crag
By stacking you meant with my team?
boreal veldt
Don't swing into evasion is a good rule of thumb as well
fierce elm
Triple stun into Triple double silence into AoE-bleeds that do absurd damage
They will be doing double the damage of everyone else in the lobby if you do that
sour crag
So they're master cleavers then?
fierce elm
Pretty much
A good assa will bleed everyone up, and if you arent stacked it requires more effort and downtime
If you stack they can AoE bleed everyone
Thats about it
sour crag
Right, so better to try fighting them isolated from my team?
fierce elm
Just dont kite towards your healer
sour crag
What if they are already targeting my team? I should not intervene?
fierce elm
I mean, you are stll going to do the basic Warrior stuff
If you can hit nothing else, then yeah follow the basic priority list
Hit your kill target > Hit the closest thing you can
sour crag
Hell, I still don't know the basic priority list fully yet 😛
Recent qs I've tried to focus on the top-tier DPSers
Preferably melee ones
I hate kiting, even if I have no choice.
sour crag
Assa = Dont stack, can die
Outlaw = Cant die, disarm if they vanish
Sub = Don't ...
"Outlaw = Cant die, disarm if they vanish" as in after they pop up again?
fierce elm
Yes
It prevents BtE spam if you get the disarm
As soon as they exit stealth you can look for the disarm
sour crag
Speaking of Disarm, so far I know that
Retri = Disarm while Crusade/Avenger
Frost DK = Disarm while Ice Pillar
Arms Warrior = Disarm while Avatar
What else should I disarm?
including Outlaw, that is
torn sigil
Disarm mage to prevent embellish
sour crag
Disarm a mage, really...?
rancid granite
Assa = Dont stack, can die
Outlaw = Cant die, disarm if they vanish
Sub = Don't ...
disarm outlaw while they just btw/pistol spam on vanish?
fierce elm
Yeah, if they dont get lucky on the BtE reset they are stuck not doing damage
Source: Have been cucked multiple times by BtE not resetting Combo points while disarmed
which stops a ton of damage output
rancid granite
would be better off just not using disarm talent vs them no? idk
fierce elm
What else are you gonna take honestly
rancid granite
everytime i got disarmed i just started blasting
fierce elm
Fury has some talents I guess that can be better
exotic forge
Disarm is still useful against outlaw, it stops kidney
fierce elm
It all depends on what else you are facing
sour crag
My go-to PvP talent is Battle Trance for sustained healing.
fierce elm
Just because you can disarm doesnt mean there isnt a better talent choice
But yeah, unless they can get very lucky with BtE reset they get cucked in terms of damage
also stops any sort of re-stuns
sour crag
Sadly I don't know much which classes are reliant on their weapons to perform their strongest abilities.
Besides a few melees
fierce elm
Ret, DK, Outlaw/Sub, Marksmanship hunter, Warrior, Enhancement Shaman
violet fossil
Sadly I don't know much which classes are reliant on their weapons to perform th...
resto Druid
priest
lock
sour crag
Again, I'm surprised casters rely on weapons to cast things.
fierce elm
Do not listen to them lmao
Sometimes ya gotta think for a second extra and think if you have ever seen someone disarm a caster or not
violet fossil
exotic forge
Disarming a caster was useful back in the day when Disarm increased damage done to the target
That was during Wrath and it was for Prot warriors
Don't ever take disarm against a caster nowadays
fierce elm
not really no
torn sigil
They used to not be able to deterrence when disarmed
Before it became complete ape class
sour crag
Well it seems like BM is the most dangerous one to face in SS when it comes to ranged.
In terms of training them, that is.
fossil mortar
Wonder if horde side loses more, because lavafall for them are on the right hand side, and it is more natural to run towards the left for most winnner players (Alliance)
dense herald
What about BMs? Can they suffer from disarm?
they can but very little
u can remove their stacks
fossil mortar
Noone plays RBG RBG, dead lingo
fickle forge
Get with the lingo
violet fossil
Noone plays RBG RBG, dead lingo
blitz m8
fossil mortar
Says Rated Battlegrounds, I am too lazy to change my ways
wheat jay
I had some mental druid in blitz recently whispering everyone how bad they are lmao
And spamming that hes 3600 on main
green wharf
i got a druid saying i was bad for getting ball and going mid
thats why he didnt heal me
we find some peculiar people on blitz
genuinely brain dead
exotic forge
Fuckem
green wharf
blitz would be much better if people knew basic stuff, like grabing balls, defending cart, looking at timers
wow have difficulty in the learning phase
a lot of people just go ranked without knowing shit
and its hard to learn cause the bgs in the ranked are different from normal ones
more than often people go on the wrong bases in eye of storm, cause they think its the same
sterile moth
@jade salmon exactly right. Making blitz rules different from bgs that we’ve had for years and years has made it painful
violet fossil
blitz would be much better if people _knew_ basic stuff, like grabing balls, def...
I like grabbing balls
inner sigil
so like does frost mage fuck up fury warrior in a 1v1 scenario in a open field rn?
like 2 really good players aswell
boreal veldt
vegas odds usually in frost favor
tale as old as time
go to durotar or goldshire and duel a few
green wharf
so like does frost mage fuck up fury warrior in a 1v1 scenario in a open field r...
mages fuck up warriors in 1x1 scenarios
unless you are prot
inner sigil
just more movement
right?
cs i am gnome got my racial n shit had all my movement shit
and this mf ports 6 times in the span of 15 seconds
inner sigil
not exaterating
boreal veldt
5-6 blinks, yeah we know
green wharf
fickle forge
Dueling as a warrior 
exotic forge
Mage will win most of the time
green wharf
So, i was not aware of this before, but they killed war banner
to replace for berserker roar
but there is a caveat
you will need berserker shout to play it
sterile moth
If you can get on the mage with ALL mobility up….you have a punchers chance if he’s bad
green wharf
a talent that isnt rly top priority
boreal veldt
So, i was not aware of this before, but they killed war banner
Oh it's dead dead, it only affects 1 incoming cc/snare as well
green wharf
Oh it's dead dead, it only affects 1 incoming cc/snare as well
aw shit
they killed and fucked the corpse
boreal veldt
So the only reason to run the talent would still be against priests/locks as a fear break
Which also have the lowest cc/snare abilities anyway
green wharf
there is not evena need for the pvp talent
the one from the tree already do the trick no
boreal veldt
the queen milord, is dead
green wharf
at least the set slaps
boreal veldt
yeah i'm actually gonna do m+ in 11.1 for it
green wharf
thats the mythic raid set, can you get with M+?
exotic forge
If you get a heroic armor piece, you can use catalyst and upgrade it to get the mythic appearance
I think normal difficulty pieces work too? But I'd use heroic to be safe
green wharf
so first you need high ilv m+ piece
turn into tier set from the catalyst
and upgrade the ilv with thecrests
fierce elm
I think normal difficulty pieces work too? But I'd use heroic to be safe
Has to be Hero track at minimum
exotic forge
Has to be Hero track at minimum
^
You can get the crests from shuffle and blitz too 
green wharf
in theory you can
boreal veldt
i don't think you get crests from blitz unless they changed it
frank knoll
When’s season 2 start
frank knoll
Sadly I don't know much which classes are reliant on their weapons to perform th...
You can prevent WW from doing FoF with disarm I think, which stops some damage and prevents them from parrying your attacks
sharp meteor
buff shield slam
fickle forge
Remove prot
inner sigil
Rename prot
civic scarab
Dude, one easy game away from hitting 1800 and I go 0-6 non of it was my fault I did everything I can to help and try to peel them off nothing worked I didn’t die once the game before that 5-1……
I guess it be like that sometimes
green wharf
I guess it be like that sometimes
been there
apparently no one is winning honor and conquest from arena/bg?
green wharf
OH YEAH
bright kraken
guys what's this take
green wharf
fickle forge
guys what's this take
She's back in there?!
green anchor
lavish quest
guys what's this take
I think it's that you have to do some damage
craggy geyser
that was poor timing for server to go down wtf
fierce elm
There has been some major issues rn lmao
craggy geyser
apparently
chilly pivot
anyone here playing thundercleave over 2200 rating in 3s atm? need some tips
sterile moth
Good morning all
elfin surge
anyone here playing thundercleave over 2200 rating in 3s atm? need some tips
do damage man
supple wagon
sterile moth
@supple wagon depends what you’re fighting. Slayer into mobile casters, thane into cleave is better in my experience.
sterile moth
I’ll say Thane feels better than it really is
Lots of pad damage but you feel like an absolute god
I feel like it’s tankier though, sometimes shuffle heals are suspect
sharp meteor
it sometimes rly is
bottom dmg as slayer then u kill somebody
thane 2x dmg of next guy lose
sterile moth
My damage has been most consistently high as slayer arms tbh
I like the consistency of the mortal strike along with sharpen. Makes it really hard to heal while pumping dam
sterile moth
In BGs…Thane is the most fun you’ll ever have as a warrior
urban skiff
this guy says to stack only mastery in every slot in his guide. Is he cooking or cooked?
I'm absolutely loving the thumbnail
@fierce elm rate my investment
green wharf
https://youtu.be/Zyo09s45he8
this guy says to stack only mastery in every slot ...
you still want like 10-12 haste imo
but yeah verst/mastery itens
fierce elm
<@144859308557860864> rate my investment
lmao
urban skiff
you still want like 10-12 haste imo
he straight up says that all mastery no exception craft what can't be gotten from buying etc
urban skiff
Stockpiling, but i'm doing it to sell them when they get stupid high start of season
urban skiff
and then i can buy them again with half the profits
fierce elm
thought about spending my gold for buying them on AH now
urban skiff
I'm willing to bet that season1 sockets gets deleted when people recraft s1 into s2 crafted gear
urban skiff
I got em for 2400-2500 ish
last time i did this I sold at 4k to 5k
couple of hundreds of bloodstones
slow solstice
do you think i should invest half of my capital on that
urban skiff
depends on whether you're on EU or not 🙂
slow solstice
i can find na price
urban skiff
I meant more like whether you're going to cut into my profits or not
slow solstice
i would not
urban skiff
a lot of people are thinking on doing that, so i bet it wont go pass 3k
didn't you say that last time? 😅
green wharf
yeah, and now is 2k~~2.5k
urban skiff
yeah but last time i made like 200k profits?
urban skiff
surely me trying 100k g would be not risky
the trick is to not use more than you can stand to lose
I'm going to hold until it's profitable
slow solstice
yeah im in the position where all my gold is my consumables for next tier
urban skiff
whether it's now, start of season, wwhen they remove conq cap in s2, idc. It's not gold I need
slow solstice
you're just an addict
sharp meteor
yeah im in the position where all my gold is my consumables for next tier
you a pveman right
how much is that
i remember looking at flask and augment prices and it made my head spin
slow solstice
you a pveman right
yeah
slow solstice
how much is that
depends
how many alts do i make
how many crafted pve items with max rank materials do i make
slow solstice
how many flasks across x many characters
slow solstice
or repair costs
sharp meteor
dude i love pve crafting costing like 1k per piece except jewelry initially
slow solstice
why are repair costs so disgusting btw
sharp meteor
oh yeah dude
ovinax prog was like
okay goodbye 1500g
okay bye another 1500g
gear just broken every 20 minutes
urban skiff
how many crafted pve items with max rank materials do i make
next season will be significantly cheaper, everyone you know has already maxed out ranks so you can craft max without maxed out materials
sharp meteor
hello sir pls tip 30k tyty
urban skiff
hello sir pls tip 30k tyty
carry my feral to 1800
sorry "coach me bro"
It's not that I can't do it myself, but monster hunter wilds is getting closer and work is getting very weird about when I have to work to make deadline
hot solstice
is it some joke?
urban skiff
what's the joke?
sharp meteor
what's the joke?
six rounds of people dying opener insta
urban skiff
He shouldn't bring that big dam then
fierce elm
8 hour queues for 50s rounds
hot solstice
honestly dont understand why ppl say "slayer is better into casters"...when u basicaly need most damage in 1-2 globals cause thats what u get before mage blinks out.
fury ofc
sour crag
https://youtu.be/Zyo09s45he8
this guy says to stack only mastery in every slot ...
Cool guide, tho the guy sounds like he's drowning in his own saliva.
urban skiff
I think he has a speech impediment
lavish quest
honestly dont understand why ppl say "slayer is better into casters"...when u ba...
For meits just a guess, but I haven't experimented with thane much. More bladestorms/mobility just seems like it would be.
urban skiff
You wont hit dr cap with crafted gear
lavish quest
Slayer strikes and kick/bolt while spinning is nice too
hot solstice
For meits just a guess, but I haven't experimented with thane much. More bladest...
ye but thane can do this:
53%-10% in 1 rampage on bm
lavish quest
Maybe I'll try thane more in general. I just started specing it more last week when I know I will get consistent cleave (melees or sp/lock + melee)
Does thane do good in ST too?
sterile moth
For me it’s the same as slayer
Just doesn’t have the closing power
To get the kill
floral widget
honestly dont understand why ppl say "slayer is better into casters"...when u ba...
do u play thane?
always?
green wharf
honestly dont understand why ppl say "slayer is better into casters"...when u ba...
prob cuz charge freeing root skill
hot solstice
prob cuz charge freeing root skill
ppl take another talent
inner sigil
does a bm hunter shit on fury in a duel rn
inner sigil
prob cuz charge freeing root skill
do ppl actually use that against casters
hot solstice
always?
I dont like it mechanicaly, but it feels stronger
especialy in shuffle where pad dam means a lot
hot solstice
era of duels died after cata
now pala will use loh and bubble in duel and feel ok about it
inner sigil
im aware. but i js wanna know is it good?
inner sigil
why would i get wrecked
hot solstice
idk in shuffle u just get ccd to much and those healers dont even think about dispeling that root or binding shot...slayer shines when u can consistently reset those reckstorms, while for thane its enough to send rampage+bt from time to time
green wharf
why would i get wrecked
cuz warriors dont get decent self heals/defensives
hot solstice
+slayer loses vs aoe fiesta
green wharf
maybe war can win against warlocks
inner sigil
interesting
floral widget
especialy in shuffle where pad dam means a lot
srry i dont get it, wdym "pad dam" ?
inner sigil
is that why warr is only good in arenas??
they cant run 1s against casters
exept shit ass locks
floral widget
is that why warr is only good in arenas??
in arenas, in battlegrounds, in dungeons, delves...
dude
warrior jus aint good in 1s
but its obviously why
zero sustain
floral widget
anyone shits on wars on 1x1
yeah exactly lmao
hot solstice
Who cares about 1v1?
fierce elm
why would i get wrecked
You have no defensives, can easily get kited without healer dispels
fierce elm
I feel like Warlock is the only ranged spec that you can beat honestly
and even that will be rough
inner sigil
You have no defensives, can easily get kited without healer dispels
so if u have a healer that got dispels n shit u win?
hot solstice
Gl vs succubus
inner sigil
i was in this bg
whooping this fucking hunters ass
running mountain thane
type shit
he has a pocket healer i did 15 mil damage against him he did 5
i run out of movement
idk
no bladestorm jump
etc
is that normal???
fierce elm
yes
inner sigil
like that the huntard js has more movmeent
floral widget
I feel like Warlock is the only ranged spec that you can beat honestly
fosho
arcane mage maybe
fierce elm
Arcane mage can kite you to infinity
floral widget
rofl]
inner sigil
i wouldnt say im a good warrior by all means but i feel like im good at staying withb the enemy'
it def feels better than last expansion for fury
still annoying. i do everything to cancel this mfs kiting and bro hs has a healer
wheat jay
Are we talking 1v1?
inner sigil
yeah. was a 1v1
in a bg
fucked him up
pow
healer
im out of movement
so
how is slayer better against casters
do ppl actually use that charge buff talent
wheat jay
1v1 yikes
rancid granite
its a very chad move to 1v1 as a warrior
what're you gonna do run away? or cry for help? can't get to valhalla that way
rancid granite
yeah pvping in a pvp zone aint griefing thats just pvp
sour crag
Just doing his usual "I WILL PEW PEW YOU AND HIDE", I just bailed by accepting timewalking queues. More than once.
rancid granite
whelp you're never dining at valhalla
sour crag
Okay, not griefing then, just annoying because I cba going 1v1 with a rogue, of all things.
I'm very lazy in world pvp.
rancid granite
sterile moth
Lmao
green wharf
had an Outlaw rouge griefing me at the World PvP WQ at Dorn today.
if you were fury it was skill issue
sterile moth
Wayne ftw
green wharf
but i always go do me wq as prot
everyone just dont mess with you
they see a prot warrior and say
sour crag
I mean, I -could- make the effort to try 1v1 an Outlaw, but after last night's discussion about how disgusting they are.. :I
green wharf
i only lose x1 in wpvp if its a damn mage or evoker
maybe some broken paladins, if i fuck up my cds
rancid granite
how else ya gonna learn 2 play and get good at pvp
sounds like it was a good opportunity to gain some EXP
inner sigil
i really wouldnt say pally is broken
they got 1 good hit
their templars verdict peaks 500k with crit normally
800 is lucky
normal hit 200-300k with ings
judgement 300k
inner sigil
yeah
wheat jay
i dunno, kinda strong
inner sigil
i mean think about it
our rampage does about 1 mil with 1 hit crit
and how often do we get it
wheat jay
its not dmg that makes ret strong tho lol
fierce elm
Yeah, do not look at what Final Verdict does outside of the flat damage it does lmao
inner sigil
it do have some good ass vleave
fierce elm
Ignore the 30s cooldown on our major damage cooldown, ignore the free HoL that has decent uptime
ignore the 1.5-3m hit every 30s that is guaranteed
lavish quest
Ret is op
fierce elm
Ret paladin has some absurd burst pretty consistently
lavish quest
Afro is the new fotm abuser
green wharf
they got 1 good hit
fierce elm
Because Final Verdict is not what you are looking at lmao
lavish quest
Heard it here first
inner sigil
pally is getting nerfed soon anyways
green wharf
nerfed?
inner sigil
no more aura of reck
green wharf
in which planet
fierce elm
HoL into Final Verdict that procs Divine arbiter + hammmer into Judgment being spammed out due to divine toll and expurg proccing
Aura of reck is not a huge nerf lmao
its a decent nerf
not huge
inner sigil
still that little bit effects hammer of light
fierce elm
That all combined with arguably one of the better execute abilities
Aura of reckoning does not affect HoL
lavish quest
paladin is so cringe they can burst you at range
Afro is a pink kinda guy okay?
inner sigil
i played pally since i started.. id say fury is slightly better in arenas
barely
not allot
fierce elm
I mean yeah
But Paladin has some absurd burst when lined up
and its not hard to line up either
inner sigil
i know lol
fierce elm
Aura being removed would have impacted Ret so hard if it was pre-radiant glory
however due to running radiant glory you already have absurd uptime on Crusader
dense herald
pink ass fuckers
true bring back bfa pala wher pure melee class
lavish quest
Double melee? Prob thane
rancid granite
https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he...
true tiger
is thane better duel spec or slayer
