pvp

[slow solstice]

gm

[dense herald]

Gm gio

[slow solstice]

good

[dense herald]

If u mean good morning

[slow solstice]

yeah

[lavish quest]

He was calling you grandmaster

[dense herald]

🙂

If youre facing like double caster i think slayer would prob be better but if u play against like double melee thane better to cleave

[true tiger]

never had slap on keys anyway

[dense herald]

Why would you ever press slam even as slayer

[urban skiff]

that's a meme btw

[fickle forge]

How to get mmr

[slow solstice]

i know

[lavish quest]

Now let us know how the CR comes along big bro

[fickle forge]

I'm gonna get like 8 mmr from this win

[urban skiff]

imagine not getting your mmr 800+ ahead of your CR

[lavish quest]

He's coming back from a big loss streak

It'll be different this time, trust

[fickle forge]

I played blitz like the first week of the season

Maybe I shanked my mmr back then

[lavish quest]

Must have duo'd with afro or artji

[urban skiff]

that's what I did, started out going 0-15 and had like 50% winrate from there

I don't think anything you do early matters, at least it didn't for me

[fickle forge]

I think blitz in general doesn't matter

It's a sandbox bracket

[rancid granite]

nothing in wow matters technically

nothing of anything ever in life matters even

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[urban skiff]

That's not true. Life is short, and is exactly as meaningful as you make it.

It doesn't matter what matters to others. What matters is what matters to you

[rancid granite]

tell that to karanze

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge what ^ said

[fickle forge]

I've never disagreed with that

I just don't respect blitz or think blitz mains are that great at the game

If you enjoy blitz, then who's to stop you from playing it

[rancid granite]

well yeah if you go by skillz nothing matches 3v3 right

blitz mains can still be good its just diff skill set

i will say taking a break to do the weekly normal battleground quest is a breath of fresh air though

quick Q's and solid fun

[fierce elm]

solo shuffle

having to sit 40-120 minute queues

dodge toxicity and wintradees

Absurd plays from teammates and inting

The mentality to survive is skill enough to eclipse 3s

[rancid granite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1i3aymw/finally_reached_1_overall_for_na_shuffles_as_well/

imagine being this guy then

[fickle forge]

3v3 is where skill is at yes

Meanwhile I am watching high mmr blitz mages triple DR poly kill targets the affli lock just sent his entire spellbook on

Losing the fight

[urban skiff]

Let's be real here.

How many people have other people's dots enabled on their target?

[fickle forge]

You should just assume that the person you're trying to kill has DoTs on them

[urban skiff]

Much less the ability to tell whether they're just "standard" dots or "kill-target"-dots

[fickle forge]

Like you're doing a 1.5 sec sheep on a 25% HP healer

Knocking off every DoT

And he lives

[rancid granite]

lol

[fickle forge]

2800 cr

Like it's not real

[sharp meteor]

people who use murkio know that people just sshow as w/e they logged out right

and usaully change builds depending on comp matchup lobby etc right

[slow solstice]

surely

[urban skiff]

Then it accurately portrays what is most likely counter to whatever you face in that bracket.

Unless everyone has a habit of swapping to another spec before logging out

[sharp meteor]

no its w/e u played last

[urban skiff]

Yes

This is another one of those "math is math" situations we're heading into now

[sharp meteor]

i could play 21 games of slayer 2 of thane then log out as prot

and zercher would think there's deeper meaning

[urban skiff]

No, individuals will do weird shit

but you have a size sample of 50 people

[sharp meteor]

wow players need to stop being allowed to attempt to interpret data

[fickle forge]

I very much doubt the majority of top 50 just happened to all do that though

[urban skiff]

still want to point out one of my main responsibilities at work is being a data analyst

Odds are you're going to log out in whatever you were in last.
Odds are whatever you were in last, countered what you last played.
Odds are what you last played represents what is least likely to face in that bracket.

[true tiger]

whats better feeling that healer flames u after BG and next BG he is against u and u spit on him

and win against him

https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046

[urban skiff]

It's not perfect but it's going to be trending towards something useful

[sharp meteor]

just useless

[urban skiff]

more useful than guessing

[fickle forge]

It's definitely cap to say the API doesn't matter

[hot solstice]

radiant power for thane?

cause see depth doing almost nothing

[sharp meteor]

radiant gonna be more cleave/aoe at least in theory

as ur primary stat gains buffed marginally by trinket bonus

double depths solid tho

can go either of 1 of each

[slow solstice]

its less damage to do 1 of each than 2 of 1

[hot solstice]

any point saving blodstones for next ssn?

any info?

[torn sigil]

apparently so

[urban skiff]

currently yes. Don't convert to sockets

[sharp meteor]

ya need them for sockies

[sour crag]

The more I mind about CC, the more I lose

I lose my balance

[torn sigil]

show yourself

[stark agate]

I feel like that's

Alot of SS queues

[torn sigil]

3984 rounds

[rancid granite]

keep q'ing you get used to it :)

cooldown up? send it

[sour crag]

getting tilted again, should one still q even if you can't think straight anymore?

[rancid granite]

if you're not having fun what's the point

[sour crag]

I just want to be done and get my enchant

I wouldn't be pvping if it wasn't for that.

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gunslinger-six-shooter-gun-flip-flip-gun-into-holster-gif-4148730080769454978

[sour crag]

I try to take in all the feeback I got, but I keep fumbling even more because I fight against my muscle memory and brain processing of thinking differewnt while in the match

I just can't juggle, simple as. I can't multitask to be handle CC and do damage at the same time.

[rancid granite]

have you tried cheering up and having fun and not getting tilted over silly things?

and after that maybe try believing in yourself buddy

[sour crag]

If I want to have fun, I'll play a different game or watch Twitch. But that also means less time for queue which is precious time.

[rancid granite]

"hey maybe if i put in the time and effort and practice, i will improve"

"i believe in myself that i can do that"

:)

[rancid granite]

the time must not be that precious if you're gonna waste it on something you don't want to do

[sour crag]

I tried to change things up by doing 2s with a holydin.

I got smashed.

Because I figh against my muscle memory.

Restosham´+´Feral

Someone told me "kill totems". Okay. But then I lose my pressure on the druid.

who is mauling my paladin, surpassing both my stun and fear.

And shaman is hexing him too

[rancid granite]

yeah but instead of coming here to put yourself down and make excuses.. just go play and practice and have fun; and if you aren't having fun, dont play

you go to the gym; you can't get muscle just by reading about fitness.. and i'm sure you wouldn't go if you didn't enjoy it

🤷

[sour crag]

I'm just asking for perspectives how I could had handled that combo.

Ideally, I mean.

LIke, how you pros do.

[rancid granite]

handle it by Q'ing next and playing more

nothing can or will replace experience learned by hands on playing

[sour crag]

Can't you just answer my question for the sake of curiosity?

[rancid granite]

i did

Q next and keep playing; ask yourself questions, be curious, Q next

the answer will come to you i promise 🙏

[sour crag]

What would YOU do against a Feral+Restosham combo?

You can't keep saying "q more" for that kind of question when I am asking of the match itself.

[fierce elm]

Kill one of them

Probably sit feral a lot to stop clones

[rancid granite]

kill one of them, and if you lose question yourself on why you lose and Q next

[sour crag]

But what about the totems?

Someone told me to destroy them first

[fierce elm]

You got like what, two totems to kill?

Healing tide and healiong stream

and healing stream is optional

[lavish quest]

Counterstrikes

[fierce elm]

Gotta kill static field to get out

[lavish quest]

Skyfuries

[fierce elm]

who the fuck plays counterstrike totem

[lavish quest]

Shamans. Dummy

[fierce elm]

So Tide, Stream, Counterstrike if some dumb fuck is running it, Skyfury if its ever up lmao

[sour crag]

For the record, I'm still queuing, though I'm asking stuff while I wait. Sounds fair?

[rancid granite]

he just wants the weapon enchant; so all this info is just gonna confuse him even more and more and more

literally just zug

[fierce elm]

I am more wondering how many totems he has to kill

Literally just kill Healing tide and you gucci

[lavish quest]

Grounding if you wanna help the healer bro

[fierce elm]

fuck the healer

[rancid granite]

dont need to kill a single pet/totem to get 2400 let alone weapon enchant lol

[lavish quest]

This is why afro is 1600

And not a warrior

[lavish quest]

This

[fierce elm]

Also hpala+warr should be able to run over just blind focusing the feral

and tunneling

[lavish quest]

You can play like a dumbass like me and get 2400

[sour crag]

Why then was totems and shadowfiend mentioned in my feedback thread then if they don't matter? Yet they also do (?)

[rancid granite]

dude is trying to think about 500 different things playing 4d chess when all he needs to do is zug

[lavish quest]

Psyfiend?

[fierce elm]

Brother, I have said this nice all along and I will keep doing that. You can not process this information so its useless to you

entirely useless

If you cant just auto pilot your rotation while glancing at other bars and hps and cast bars then a totem isnt relevant to you

[rancid granite]

focusing on totem will just make everything worse lol

[lavish quest]

I don't kill healing streams or tides

[sour crag]

But then I will go back to tunnelvisioning again and still lose if I fovcus on my rotation.

[lavish quest]

Should I? Probably

[fierce elm]

Like we have been over this so many times and eventually it boils down that you have some sort of extreme lack of eye movement and cant do stuff

[lavish quest]

But Unga bunga

[fierce elm]

And that doesn't change according to you

[rancid granite]

ok this is your problem bro you GOT to b elieve in yourself

[fierce elm]

so why does it matter if you know what totem to kill if you cant do damage while keeping an eye for it?

[rancid granite]

big sad to keep seeing 'but i sux and im gonna lose'

[fierce elm]

Eventually you have to decide to either step up and use your eyes or accept that you will try to tunnel everything to enchant, either decision is fine

[rancid granite]

'but my muscle memory' 'but but but but but'

the cure is to keep playing keep zugging

pretend its pve and the boss needs to die asap thats all

[sour crag]

I'm not even good at Normal PvE raids. I snore through them xD

But you're right, I am very self-critical and I can't help it. been it all my life.

[rancid granite]

you're doing it again bro

'i can't help it'

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-got-so-emo-i-fell-apart-gerard-way-my-chemical-romance-gif-25070195

thats you

[sour crag]

Alright, I'll shut up now if I am bothering you. Sorry.

[rancid granite]

i swear to god

[fickle forge]

You're throwing if you're not killing Healing Tide

[rancid granite]

i was in his position before so i know how it can be overwhelming; but yeah i got used to it

reading it made me realize i need to turn on hp bars for it

i thiiiiink in blizzplates or something you can turn on only the specific totem/pet?

[fickle forge]

He can focus on 2 things if it's overwhelming

Healing Tide and Psyfiend

If you don't kill those, you're throwing your game

[rancid granite]

if he focuses on those he's losing focus on 15 other things

so..

[fickle forge]

Yeah but you lose by not killing those things

You gonna let a 12 sec Sharpen sit up?

50% healing reduction you just refuse to kill

[fierce elm]

Kargish not understanding that he cant use his eyes is my favorite part of this

[rancid granite]

you just forget what its like to be new

yeah lol

[fickle forge]

Yeah but that doesn't matter, he's gotta kill them anyway lmao

[fierce elm]

He is gonna spend 6 seconds confused

12 seconds looking for it

[fickle forge]

"Sorry guys I'm new, could you maybe not press Psyfiend?"

[rancid granite]

thats why i say Q next the more you play the more you can 'see'

so he'll get to it one day

[fierce elm]

Sorry, its gonna take him 6 seconds to even find out they have used it

[rancid granite]

^ lol

[fickle forge]

I saw his gameplay bro

Thrice

[exotic forge]

Stop that belly aching, Aatos, remember you're a leather neck

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[sour crag]

That was hurtful. But anyway, I'll be quiet and just q, since that's everything you boil it down to. I won't add more fuel to the fire.

[exotic forge]

I mean it sounds toxic but that's literally what it is. We can't just tell you through words what you need to do in order to improve, you also need to learn by experience firsthand

Both things go hand by hand

[rancid granite]

you can still talk and chat and ask questions lol

but the answer is pretty simple

[exotic forge]

^^

[fierce elm]

Eventually someone has to say something hurtful when it comes to learning new things, its part of it

[sour crag]

I don't agree to that. But whatever.

[fierce elm]

Especially in WoW

because frankly, you have gotten all the tools you need to succeed

And every tip that could ever be given has been given

Now it literally just comes down to you being better

[exotic forge]

You may not agree with it but that's what it is. Truth hurts, brother

and in WoW PvP, people tend to say lots of worse stuff

[sour crag]

I'll try again tomrrow.

[rancid granite]

i mean if you ask for tips and post a video gotta expect to be criticized it's kinda the whole point

its only hurtful if you feel bad about it and nothing to feel bad about over being new to something

[exotic forge]

That gives you nothing but room to improve tbh

[sour crag]

I'm not ungrateful to the critics and I understand the value of them.

I'll just leave it at that.

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-peace-dragon-ball-z-cute-gif-17201997

[dense herald]

can i play thane in double caster

[wheat jay]

Why not

[dense herald]

i try playing slayer but thane feels like more dmg

[green wharf]

at least im not a filthy mage, evoker or paladin

warlock is like, the warrior of spellcasters

[stark agate]

I go Slayer in double caster always

Interrupt/Stun in Bladestorm and extra mobility is nice

Thane has less burst windows so I find it harder to force defensives so I usually go Slayer 95% of the time anyway

The only hard melee cleaves I see are in SS but almost never in 3s

[fickle forge]

This can also be super misleading bro

We have so many examples by now of people Q'ing multiple thousands of shuffle rounds, and still hardstuck 1800

Gaining more experience and Q'ing more works for most, but for this guy it doesn't seem to be the case

He needs to step up his fundamentals

[rancid granite]

i mean there's truth to both; it's a mixture

in his case he can't visually see things or use his rotation well, imo the cure is to play more

in those other cases.. well, yeah they need to ask more questions and be truthful with themselves

i assume those people blame everyone else and think they have nothing more to learn though lol

but you can't Q 2 games and then ask 500 questions.. needs to be a balance

[exotic forge]

imo one of his main issues is his playstyle, not what he does in the match but rather how he plays the game, he's gotta get used to using his keyboard more and binds and what not

[rancid granite]

keybinds, confidence, dps rotation, Q 100 games then come back for more questions lol

but at that point he'd have gotten enchant and long gone

[exotic forge]

Whatever it takes to learn and improve at the game

Doesn't matter if it takes more than a thousand rounds of shuffle

[rancid granite]

yap

[wicked whale]

Trinkets for fury solo rbgs?

[visual plover]

The proc one and the cc removal on press

Proc strength

U could go 2 DPS trinkets but I like the control

[green wharf]

after 4 hours of q and 4 games, i gained 7 mmr

i love blizzard

[urban skiff]

how are your queues this long???

Is this a NA thing?

[green wharf]

dunno, maybe is a blitzz thing

and my hour

[urban skiff]

My blitz queues are solidly 8 minutes

maybe 12 on a bad day

[green wharf]

and at 1900-2200 mmr ratio

so it takes 30m the fastest

[urban skiff]

I think I'm at 2400 MMR by now in blitz

[green wharf]

depending on the hour 20m, but its rare

[urban skiff]

man price dropped like a rock

can't wait for next week when it shoots back up again to 3k - 4k

[slow solstice]

avg 5am shuffle q

[sour crag]

What's your region?

[slow solstice]

NO WAY

BLANCHY SPAWNED AS I ACCEPTED THE QUEUE

[urban skiff]

EU

[urban skiff]

haha

[sour crag]

Tell me you prioritized Blanchy

[slow solstice]

no

[green wharf]

just saw a prot warrior ina blitzz

not playing thane

nor playing thunderstruck

disgusting

and he was carried hard, cause he sucked ass

[urban skiff]

just secured one of the best names

[sour crag]

One-Punch KT on a shammie does kinda sound based.

[green wharf]

you can easy abuse in some bg maps

[urban skiff]

even in arenas

I've punched a healer into the adjacent room with haymaker in lordaeron map

[green wharf]

nerf

[urban skiff]

land a good hit on the coffin and they end up in africa

[sour crag]

I wonder what other class combos would be ideal for the KT punch

Any caster, I guess

[fickle forge]

Everyone is carried in blitz

[green wharf]

not me, im giga good

[fickle forge]

[elfin surge]

we're so back

[fickle forge]

Rank 1?

[elfin surge]

[wheat jay]

You won a plunder game?

[lavish quest]

Just already have the mount

Ez

[fickle forge]

Old Mud would have had it by now

Get the last 50 rating man

I wonder when Mud lost interest in the game

It's time for your comeback man

[elfin surge]

finally got my first bit of real 3s

its over breh

[elfin surge]

the streak is over

[fickle forge]

What comp did you Q?

[elfin surge]

disc turbo

my enh streamed it

[fickle forge]

Why didn't you stream it

Why didn't brother tag when his enh was streaming it

Wassup with that huh

[elfin surge]

KEK

he has vods disabled gg

[fickle forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872557080819691591/1197960412843479140/IMG_0975.mov?ex=678f34d3&is=678de353&hm=95f063452a013f0741f6a71c138b4b42dce2e7b6b11d3d9d6acb2e4bb234ce25&

[elfin surge]

i am surprised at how good the comp felt

didnt expect disc to be able to heal it

[fickle forge]

Turbo is crazy right now

Idk if I'd call it the best melee cleave

But it's definitely up there competing

[elfin surge]

cleaves are kinda dead

[fickle forge]

It's a caster season fr

[elfin surge]

caster assa

[fickle forge]

Caster + rogue/feral season

[elfin surge]

caster feral

[fickle forge]

Caster + 2 bleed DoTs season

[elfin surge]

Criminal

Theres one TSG qn but its lame frost

actually petkick has been qn arms unholy

gigachad

[elfin surge]

frost mage feral

[fierce elm]

ONE SILENCES

[elfin surge]

affi assa

[fierce elm]

SMH

[elfin surge]

[fickle forge]

Those two and thunder cleave

[elfin surge]

Thunder is crazy

but NA doesnt have any good eles

[fickle forge]

I saw Whaazz Q'ing into 8 different thunder teams in a row

Hpala on all of them as well

[elfin surge]

ya hpal thunder goes hard

i wanna q that

the war does nothing

but damage

[fickle forge]

Pretty much

Thunder cleave is a pretty braindead comp

The synergy is just wild

Warr+sham are the real best buddies

Anti melee and anti caster

[elfin surge]

i know a few ele shams but they are alts

i usually just q thunder no voice

easiest comp to no voice n chill

[fickle forge]

Do I sign up to Hayne's solo shuffle tourny?

[elfin surge]

isnt that the view botter

[fickle forge]

Yeah

[elfin surge]

legal view botting

lol

[fickle forge]

But he owns checkpvp

And if man wanna set up a tourny with $$, then why not am I right

I'll get farmed by Whaazz though

[elfin surge]

wonder how many sponsorship deals he's scammed

[fickle forge]

And Snupy

[wheat jay]

Do it

Be the only arms warrior there

[fickle forge]

I'll stream it bare-chested

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm guess who's training while at work right now

[wheat jay]

As god intended

[fierce elm]

My entire body is dying

I gotta go check out an apartment in like 2 hours

[wheat jay]

You bought a car and dont have enough for rent?

[urban skiff]

Did you try training? Home sick with a sick kid as well. Popped the nsaids and etc and just gonna power through it

[fierce elm]

Might be moving

[wheat jay]

Oh check out, not check out of

[fierce elm]

yeah check out lma

the fuck

[fierce elm]

I am beat the fuck up

We took a ride for 2.5 hours to go skiing yday, skiied from like 9-18

2.5 hours back home

was awake for 30 minutes then just passed out in the bed

Today was supposed to be recovery day, but apparently we have too much luck in apartment hunting because we are the only one who applied for it

So gotta check it out now

[fickle forge]

@wheat jay @elfin surge HUH?!?!

Bro I gotta play fucking Hay Day to participate in this tourny?!

[elfin surge]

LOL

[fierce elm]

lmao

Yeah this doesnt at all look like a fucking sponsor scam

[wheat jay]

Wtf is that

[fickle forge]

Yeah fuck that lmao

[wheat jay]

Well, get to it

Enjoy

[fickle forge]

I ain't playing this man's scummy ass games lmao

[urban skiff]

Sounds like today is a good day. Grab it by the cat and make sure you get yours

[urban skiff]

Send it to venruki so he can make a 30 minute video reading up from a mail

[fickle forge]

I don't think Venruki cares, he really does all he can to not ruin his image

[elfin surge]

he fights for the 1300 player!

make 900cr gladiator!

[fickle forge]

Veruki has the simulatanously the hottest and coldest takes

[urban skiff]

He made a long video about the whistleblower who showed how people are matchfixing epic bgs and random bgs in a way that ruins the experience for people who just queue up and get teamed with 30+ queue dodgers

He might care a little and idk

[fickle forge]

Yeah the thing is Venruki cares about looking good in the eyes of everyone, especially casuals

[urban skiff]

I don't watch streamers unless @fickle forge starts streaming

[fickle forge]

But shitting on a French streamer and his API website isn't his style

[elfin surge]

best mage in game

[fickle forge]

Gandalf

[fierce elm]

Cant wait to read this chat when they give glad mounts to SS

Its gonna be a glorious day

[lavish quest]

Better than having it in a dead mode

Might as well have the glad mount in pet battles atm

[wheat jay]

To blitz

And 2100+

EZ

[fierce elm]

would be even more glorius if they give it to blitz

[wheat jay]

Ye hahaha

Or keep it in shuffle, and blitz for old mogs and glad mounts

[lavish quest]

Put it in finishing the patch's campaign

[green wharf]

honestly who would rly care/complain about it

pvp is almost dead

[fierce elm]

Off the top of my head I can name one person instantly

lmao

[green wharf]

might as well flock with people with the carrot

[fierce elm]

His name rhymes with Bargish or Baranze

[green wharf]

muh prestige

no one use then anyway

better mogs in the trading post

[wheat jay]

Sadgish, Noobanze

[urban skiff]

fuck yeah

[urban skiff]

stop, i can only get so hard

[fickle forge]

We could also just remove rating entirely bro

Scrap all the brackets and add quick play instead

[elfin surge]

Remove kargish from the game entirely

[urban skiff]

remove warrior mains

[elfin surge]

???

[urban skiff]

remove rating, keep MMR as the only rating (and only use it for matchmaking / putting people into leagues), replace rating with a renown track of rewards where wins at higher MMR/leagues gives faster progress.

Ez pz

prestige should be from your placement on the ladder, not from an arbitrary rating that swings from season to season because of participation and blizzard tinkering with the ELO formula

[fickle forge]

Mud shows extreme levels of narcissism, he has utterly no self control, he showed very obvious signs that he fails and panics under pressure, and that he needs anger counseling. His maturity could also be brought to question as well. This all simply from viewing the way he spoke, his mannerisms, and his actions in the games played.

[urban skiff]

thank you chat gpt

lol

[urban skiff]

ngl, that's kind of cool

I have some pretty in-depth experience with narcissists and I don't think you've outwardly shown any signs yet, in case you could use a bit of reassurance

[fickle forge]

It's just Mud who photoshopped my name into a forum comment lol

[urban skiff]

man I'm so old, i fall into all the memes with both feet

do we even call them memes anymore? I assume it's so old it's co-opted by the boomers by now

[sterile moth]

@urban skiff same here. Everything goes over my head

[urban skiff]

looks like i can take the creep factor up to 11 now

[green wharf]

nlg, this would fix a lot of current issues

its just like some mobas out there

[urban skiff]

it would fix all of them except the weirdos who think the transmog/mount is the goal of rated pvp and that you can't show off prestige without them

As if we don't all collectively stare at seramate/checkpvp/raiderio etc to determine how good a player is and give zero fucks about the transmog

[fickle forge]

I really hate shuffle bro

I'm sitting for the season

[rancid granite]

69 rating increase

[fickle forge]

Or at least until the last week notice

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[urban skiff]

why sitting?

[rancid granite]

makes me wonder about people who say they should increase rewards to get more people playing... but then it's just people who hate pvp joining in for the rewards then pz out.. it doesn't seem like a real fix

[fickle forge]

I dislike shuffle

And I'm Q'ing as colossus arms so it's a hurdle

[urban skiff]

if you want a tall pyramid you have to start with a wide base at the bottom. Same thing with pvp, you need a lot of unskilled or lowskilled players, among the pvp haters will be a few who realize it's not bad or who start to enjoy it, and they will rise over time.

[urban skiff]

why even go to 2400 then?

[fickle forge]

Just so I have the 2.4k

No other reason

[urban skiff]

I wonder if a dumbass like me could get 2400

but that sounds like effort and farming 1800 on alts until monster hunter wilds releases sounds easier

[fickle forge]

I mean I'd much rather go enjoy some other game too

Shuffle isn't a rush at all

Is anybody playing this game bro??

2450 is top 50 on this spec man

[rancid granite]

long q times are for other games don'tcha know

[true tiger]

what spec

[fickle forge]

Arms

[true tiger]

why play arms when u have slayer fury or thane

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[fickle forge]

Because I dislike fury

And enjoy arms

I like hitting these bonks

[green wharf]

i used to be like that, but they made arms gameplay dogshit

[urban skiff]

if you want depressing, check what rating is top50 for enh in blitz and shuffle

[green wharf]

bleeds, rage starved, depends on stacks

ykes

im in my 2000 hellhole in blitzz

i dont see a single enh shaman

[urban skiff]

oh wait, it's 2400. Guess it isn't so bad then

[fickle forge]

It's about the same for enh in shuffle

Enh sham is good right now

[green wharf]

rest and elemental shamans i see a lot

[fickle forge]

But it's just the usual scenario where people deviate towards what is easiest

[green wharf]

but after 1800 till 2000, in two specs, i didnt saw a single enh

[rancid granite]

what's your stats like?

[urban skiff]

I see them all the time. But I think it's because blitz tries to do mirror groups, so there's often an enh in the enemy team

[green wharf]

maybe eu people play enh

on that ranking i dont see then, maybe all of then are too high already

[fickle forge]

Shuffle is a meme though

You can just roll what's broken and you'll instantly inflate 400 rating

This BM hunter peaking 500 rating above his usual, while Cass, a multi rank 1 player, is getting completely destroyed for playing boomkin

[rancid granite]

ty; i keep thinking i should pump up my mastery a bit.. kept sitting 15/20/15 and the mast felt a bit low

[fickle forge]

You want haste above all else

[rancid granite]

yeah i've tried other builds that 20% baseline is totally necessary lol

[fickle forge]

I'd want more

30% if I could

I'm playing this though, which a lot would probably consider troll

But I'm not too concerned about living on arms, arms is pretty tanky

[urban skiff]

What does the ideal fury gear look like?

assuming free resources for everything, enchants, crafting, conq, gems, etc

[sand sundial]

I miss old Ele when it was cool and janky

[sand sundial]

It's pretty straightforward tbh

[urban skiff]

I see very varying amounts of haste tbh

and more than I'm personally comfortable with

[wheat jay]

Real, id be 2500 if dh was meta

But im only 2100

[lavish quest]

Yeah if it was 10.2 was it?

Where DH was 2 players worth of power

[wheat jay]

Yes

XD

But now I can play it better lol

[lavish quest]

Awww, so if you basically cheating you can do well. Good job buddy

[wheat jay]

If you call playing meta cheating, yes

So, in shadowlands playing warrior was cheating

Noted

@fickle forge fucking cheater

[lavish quest]

Blizzard sponsored cheating

We both know DH there wasn't even in the realm of balanced

They were playing TWW early access on live servers

[wheat jay]

In s4 it was kinda fine i guess

After nerfs

Still s tier, but not tww level xD

[lavish quest]

I mean when they got "reworked"

But I consider spellcasters as bug abusers so 🤷‍♂️

[wheat jay]

Ye they gave dh 4 burst abilities lol

And rng NUKE that could proc like 50 times off itself xD

[fickle forge]

@wheat jay My mental broke dude

2s with James is gonna make me go insane

[wheat jay]

Loool

Ill be home soon

Ill save you guys

[urban skiff]

HMMM

These used to be stupidly expensive

[lavish quest]

The rework was "everything is as before, but busted af now"

[wheat jay]

Nah they made it more complex

Then nerfed the complex build

And left the braindead one

[lavish quest]

Yes, they made it to where you had to figure out how they died to your 3 buttons

[wheat jay]

There was some setup

Then there was none

Now there is a 5 button setup to your burst and if you get stunned for 3sec its joever xD

[lavish quest]

Set ups, as in... walk up and press button?

[wheat jay]

Not really

If you see sigil of flame, next global will be eye beam, if you stun eye beam, for 3s

Dh will lose 20% buff, haste buff, eye beam which is its highest burst ability, and meta window

So actually 0 dmg left xD

[urban skiff]

Why am i struggling so much with fire mages of all things on feral?

it should just be dot and run but for some reason my dots never seem to get on them?

[lavish quest]

I think they died before you could start explaining that stuff

[wheat jay]

nah

dh is ass now xD

[fickle forge]

I'm playing vs Pika saying arms is S-tier

Like I'm losing my mind playing into this perma freedom and BoP spam

[lavish quest]

I mean back then obviously

[sour crag]

This is the scariest shit ever.

[lavish quest]

You just hit ignore and move on most of the time

[sour crag]

yeah but I gotta click to put focuys taget but this keeps popping up

[lavish quest]

Then you gotta reload

Will fuck you

But happens

[sand sundial]

I miss old fire

[sour crag]

Just blow out their combustion with your deer leap farts.

[wheat jay]

5 2s games

5 warlocks

[fickle forge]

Think about the warlock players bro

They have to play warlock and Q into another warlock

[sour crag]

Anyone else panic when you face another fury as fury?

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge okay, bic explained the bug with explosive shot

its just bugged shit with bombardier talent

but then he saw my explosive shot also exploded AFTER the 6sec timer

and just said its cancer bug lol

fun stuff

[fickle forge]

I feel confident I'm about to gain cr when I see a mirror

[fickle forge]

The real error was for us to Q 2s

[wheat jay]

nah

we only played 5 games

into 5 warlocks

[fickle forge]

2s is horrendous right now bro

[wheat jay]

yes

[sour crag]

How come?

I'm practicing 2s right now

[fickle forge]

It's extremely sweaty

It's just rank 1s who are passing the time

[sour crag]

I was loooking for a healer and mistakenly took in a Ench shaman thinking they were resto. They were also French so no englaise. 😄

I'm just doing 2s to practice or completeing the weekly quest

[wheat jay]

holy

[fickle forge]

Yeah as soon as you get higher

It's just R1s

[wheat jay]

not even super high

like

2k mmr

its r1s xD

[fickle forge]

I mean no one is high rated in 2s bro

2.4k is like top 65 on the ladder

[sour crag]

I wonder, say if one would decide to learn to pvp as healer in next season after doing nothing but warrior, which class would be the easiest transition to learn how to heal based on the experience of warrior pvp?

I suspect either disc or restosham, but I could be very wrong

[fickle forge]

Hpala

It's as easy as BM hunter

[sterile moth]

I just leveled an hpal to do my part

[rancid granite]

hpala

[fierce elm]

Hpala or rsham

[rancid granite]

i just now noticed thunder clap uses this

:)

[fierce elm]

brother lmao

[copper fox]

Lmfao

What is reading

[rancid granite]

i literally have the WA pop up when using it too

so im blind and dumb

[exotic forge]

Most wow players can't read it's okay

[hot solstice]

anyone having problem with random driver crashes?

[sharp meteor]

[true tiger]

thane prefs haste right?

over mastery

[slow solstice]

no?

[true tiger]

mastery is better?

[exotic forge]

Haste/mastery then full send it

Have fun

[fallen estuary]

Mastery full for petless cleaves and 50-50 haste mastery for cleaves with pets in it

[exotic forge]

See, he gets it

now go to town, have fun

[north thicket]

Did I misheard or our new overlord said something about making Arms great again in his inauguration speech?

[rancid granite]

yeah our new overlord elon said it

he won diablo 4 now he's gonna make colossus great again and win WoW with it

[boreal veldt]

We have the best bonks, the biggest bonks, these rogues think our bonks are small.
They're full of hate and wish their tiny damage was as big as a colossus bonk.

[green wharf]

[rancid granite]

lolol

[fickle forge]

I hate how Demolish is a channel, but then Hammer of Light exists

Both middlefingers from Blizzard

[slow solstice]

who asked for fyralath

[boreal veldt]

at least i took clown college classes, idk what blizzard's excuse is

need to line up cs, ava(warlord's), spear, crit, 10 stacks, and no stun dr in order to get full value out of demo

[fickle forge]

Yeah I just don't

I play regular arms and just use Demo as a small burst

It's still easily 4M without the crits

[green wharf]

play colossus
never uses demolish

[exotic forge]

this hurts to see

[green wharf]

the best part is to do all of this, but you only crit in the first two strikes

[boreal veldt]

[boreal veldt]

Kinda plays how we predicted in the beginning, just used to bait ccs and not a real win con lol

If it goes off in full is a nice bonus

[fickle forge]

The real reason why I think colo is good is because of that extra tankiness and MS damage

Demolish is a good burst button

Just inconvenient to use

[green wharf]

i still cant take how arms have downtime and rage problems now and then

seems unnaceptable in today wow

[boreal veldt]

This is gonna be even more true in 11.1, using demolish might actually be a dps loss with our new ms buff.

[green wharf]

everything cost rage

you cant even spam whirlwind

[fickle forge]

Why would that be the case

I hit Cassidy for 3.6M non-crit today

[wheat jay]

All that setup for 1.5 rampage

[rancid granite]

do you do normal arms build too? troar, no imp. avatar

[fickle forge]

Yes

[rancid granite]

thats what i ended up gravitating to in the end

basically slayer type build so

same setup and can swap inbetween them

[fickle forge]

I do think Recklessness is a major boost to colossus arms though

You just lack the talent points as it is now

[boreal veldt]

You can try dropping a point in ArmorTeeth but thats like 3k str loss and idk if it's worth

[rancid granite]

what about next season

i havent tried making it but does it free up any goodness

[fickle forge]

Yeah I wouldn't drop armored either

Even if you play colossus, you're still playing warrior and wanna maximize your throughput

[boreal veldt]

3k str in exchange for 6sec of crit fishing ain't worth if you run troar

spear gets away with it cause we only take 1 point in imp spear, the other one is dog doodoo

[fickle forge]

If I had crit my pop on Cassidy though

It would easily have hit for 6M

Just end the game right there and then on my own into a boomkin

[boreal veldt]

Cass walkin around wearing toilet paper

Whats your mast at @fickle forge ?

[boreal veldt]

Man we're basically the same except my crit is 23 and haste is 13

[fickle forge]

Low haste warrior feels abysmal to me

[boreal veldt]

Big number gets my serotonin goin

But tbf high crit is the only way i can justify warlords torment

Get as close to a 50/50 as possible

[fickle forge]

I think you'd be better off playing sub rogue if that's the game you wanna play

[boreal veldt]

[exotic forge]

When all your attacks are crits, no one will be

[green wharf]

still losing mmr whem my mmv is higher

[green wharf]

my god im starting to fucking hate monks

they either play well and capp the flags or are fucking useless crying about how monks arent good as FC

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

me after these bgs

[rancid granite]

me when its laggy

[green wharf]

i can say i carried this one, bitch ass bg

[flint lodge]

elp

[sterile moth]

Can you please remind me who that famous pally that was just banned a few days ago?

[spice hornet]

Crusader? Lol

[sterile moth]

Yep that’s the one thank you

[exotic forge]

Not surprised

He's funny though

[true tiger]

why was he banned

[exotic forge]

Check his content, you'll know why

[true tiger]

he sounds weird

wow blizz actually bans

[green wharf]

racist basically

[sour crag]

Why is it trhat somehow I keep changing targets automatically despite I hav Sticky Target on?

Especially in melee range when two enemies are standin next to another. Does it change target to whover is closest when I press a melee ability or what?

[green wharf]

did with other spec

now is another hell climb to 2100

@urban skiff found one ench shaman on his 1500

he got demolished

in contrast

a ele got fucking 14 kills

[urban skiff]

Bet you he wasn't playing my build

[green wharf]

elemental

the second dude got only 6

(ME)

[sour crag]

I start to see a pattern why I never see DH at 1800

For a bewinged emo with tantrums, they sure are fragile.

Unless carried by a competent healer, then they're just punching bags

I wonder, are there actual DHs in 2000s? 😄

[elfin surge]

https://x.com/mvqdh/status/1881489869157048550?s=46&t=XTh2dVvKrzKJ4TvuxlEJUQ

Mvq (@Mvqdh) on X

if you sort every spec by shuffle win rate then you'll find that DH is at the bottom, and every tank spec has a higher win rate.

god bless the blizzard dev team.

X · Jan 20, 2025, 11:51 PM

[green wharf]

good

fuck dh

[wheat jay]

no lol

dh is fucking paper

with 0 bonus hp or passive dmg reduction talents

1 rampage with cds is half of dh hp XD

[wheat jay]

buff to survi and dh when?

[elfin surge]

i think surv and dh players are just bad

[green wharf]

never

[wheat jay]

lmao

okay fury just 100-20 me in one rampage

huuuuh

ngl

600k no crit rampage ticks are a bit too high imo

xD

[craggy geyser]

Oh stop

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[wheat jay]

nah all good nvm

no amount of rampage dmg can compensate for him lining his healer

[fossil mortar]

Let's see, one Rampage can do 1.8 million, with the 100% mod: 2.2m, to 2.7m, then 3.2m. it can crit.
Ye I can see it tear you down with the world's most obvious setup

[sour crag]

TFW you get your first saddle before your 1950 reward.

Actually, don't know what to feel about that.

[wheat jay]

obivous setup being avatar macro?

xD

[fossil mortar]

Well, ya need to storm first for the 50% mod, do 5 stacks of SS

[elfin surge]

cmon breh

[wheat jay]

it is, what else do you want to hear?

xD

if we call out other classes for being op, gotta call warr for being op too

or rather acknowledge it xD

[elfin surge]

fury is strong but theres like 5 other specs better

[wheat jay]

i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

fury is highest repped dps above 2400

in 3s

on both eu and na

2nd dps in solo, right after bm hunter xD

[elfin surge]

doesnt really mean much

[wheat jay]

but if we look at top top top

then i guess feral

[elfin surge]

you can create any narrative you want with stats

[wheat jay]

cr diff between r1 and glad is 300

so looking at 2400+ i'd say is fine

[elfin surge]

Im not disagreeing tho fury is crazy rn

[fossil mortar]

I would agree, if it wasn't for it being impossible to kill things in RBGs feels like wet noodles being thrown against brick walls

[fierce elm]

Fury is the best melee in the game - Artji, Kargish

[elfin surge]

outlaw assa feral are better melee

[fierce elm]

nuh uh

[elfin surge]

yuh huh

[fierce elm]

not when you look at my NUMBERS

[wheat jay]

feral, ye

[rancid granite]

outlaw is ranged but ok

[wheat jay]

outlaw, maaaaaaaaybe

[fossil mortar]

Feral needs another ST buff

[fierce elm]

Fury is the best melee in the game

[wheat jay]

but assa, nah

for the absolute highest 3s, feral

looking at the ladder

of r1s

but fury is so disgusting rn xD

[fossil mortar]

So what you saying is, buff Fury as it can't compete in the real top end?

[wheat jay]

no, nerf fury because its stupidly easy and strong

[fossil mortar]

Noone cares about being #2 or 3, that is being loser king of the losers

[wheat jay]

its easier than bm

[fossil mortar]

Either you #1 or you are nothing

[wheat jay]

at this point if someone came into the chat and asked "what is the easiest spec i can play to get the best results, and easiest rating"

that's fury

[fossil mortar]

I wish Fury could kill things tho, I feel I spend more time shaving at health than killing
Healers do one press to undo 10 sec of work
Ain't fun having to wait for healers to oom

[fierce elm]

Yeah nerf fury

[wheat jay]

skill issue if you cant kill on fury XD

[fossil mortar]

Probably, but most games there seem to be 0 kill potential overall. Ppl just don't die on either side

It just a slow boring grind

[wheat jay]

except you have high burst

ye

[fossil mortar]

Arms burst for more, but sure - AoE burst for Fury is ok ish

[wheat jay]

???

with demolish, ye

but you dont rly play demolish

xD

[fossil mortar]

Arms BS into exe is what 7 million on exe crit for 3-4?

Sure, got setup, but it is more than Fury - Fury just easier to get going unnoticed and less proc based

[wheat jay]

wait what

where did you get those numbers

when arms execute hits for less than fury?

and fury bs hits for more too xD

[fossil mortar]

I would have to pvp dummy test, never tried to do a full setup as Fury on the exe crit. But arms do have more mods in the tree.
All I know is I spin and send that proc, they either used wall or is dead

[wheat jay]

wait so you're arguing about arms vs fury, but you dont play fury, correct?

[fossil mortar]

I don't argue on side Vs the other, I simply pointed out an arms strength

You could value weight what I said either way

Ease of set up matters a lot

[wheat jay]

and fury's setup is arguably easier

[fossil mortar]

A lot easier, I would argue. Already said it was easier

You did get me curious tho, if arms hit harder or not, as it could be number placebo in my brain - from arms striking once and fury twice. So got to check that real quick

Arms hit for 2.2m and Fury for 1.1m
Both crits

Arms PvP base vs Fury base

Arms simply got better mods

[sour crag]

So what do you guys usually do while queuing, considering most of them go for 20+ minutes each?

[fossil mortar]

watch a show, or I do some dummy testing

Also, skyhold

[rancid granite]

mobility work, stretch, hydrate, do chores irl :)

skyhold top 3 places in WoW

[civic scarab]

Run old raids for t-mog is what I’ve been doing lately or hangout in goldshire and duel randos

Or go to populated pvp areas and just start fighting everyone

[sour crag]

dats sum krumpin'

[rancid granite]

i shoulda said farmin toys/mogs/achievs too

[exotic forge]

I read while i wait on q

A warrior gotta stay smart

[elfin surge]

???

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-reading-the-gif-27333248

[lavish quest]

Buff fury

[green wharf]

blizz maintenance, i can finnaly bathe, see the family and take a bit of vimatim D

[craggy geyser]

Lmfaoooo

[spice hornet]

Wait I thought Mud quit to stream Roblox full time?

[green wharf]

he got hacked by a 13 years old

[spice hornet]

So he got hacked by a classmate?

[fickle forge]

If you can make Exe crit 3M on arms then you gotta leak the tech

Cause mine crits for 1M

[wheat jay]

skill issue

[fierce elm]

skill issue

[fossil mortar]

Got the shown 2.1m crit up there, just add some more mods for more crits

[fickle forge]

I'd say you should Q up arena then

Cause my fury hits way harder with Exe than my arms do

[fierce elm]

If you can consistently do a 2.1m crit on arms execute then I think Kargish sucks at arms

[fickle forge]

I must be the worst arms warrior then

I've never swung a 2M Exe on anyone

[north thicket]

3m crit exe and 8m total rampage

are we talking pve numbers here

[fickle forge]

Meanwhile my Rampage does 2M non-crit

[fossil mortar]

Nah, PvP, imagine if exe did that much in PvE

holey moley

[fickle forge]

I mean I've hit 5M in PvE

[fossil mortar]

Mist?

[fickle forge]

And in PvP my exe hits for 1.1M

This tier brother

[fossil mortar]

Nah, the dung

with the dam amp boss

Man, now I am curious about PvE too, let me check

[fickle forge]

Was on princess in raid

[wheat jay]

imma check my logs 1sec lol

[green wharf]

i almost hit a 3kk bloodthirst but my arms execute dont pass 2m on colossus

[wheat jay]

dont forget all the buffs in raids @fickle forge

and stacking weekly buff too

[north thicket]

can somebody share the secret sauce for the 3m exe and 8m rampage on a max vers target in rated pvp without blust wsg buff or w/e

[wheat jay]

ok im checking my 99 on rashann mythic

[fickle forge]

As you can see, I made the grave mistake of pressing Execute on arms here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897055819475091456/1296195463367622780/image.png?ex=6790a058&is=678f4ed8&hm=ebdaf8af68cd58e3d1277527028886766143d4376a5037d7b04ea26b28b9cebc&

[fossil mortar]

Ah right, you got the giga mods and raidbuffs with pot to amp things. Havent raided since week1

[wheat jay]

ye, and that's 3.4mil

on rashanan

O_O

and i have disgustingly high ilvl in pve

so, hitting that

on a pvp target

is impossible

[fossil mortar]

This is my avg PvE execute

[wheat jay]

you have to be shitting bricks and breakdancing on your left testicle to hit half of that

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897160788664520704/1319383712248627313/image.png?ex=67909c15&is=678f4a95&hm=36c6ec4a193e4fe614bb69030b1290feec1f98d4b7ea2f177ddb9f07403d1ca3&

Meanwhile my Execute does 400k in PvP

And then as soon as I go fury

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897055819475091456/1323003093176029235/image.png?ex=679097e5&is=678f4665&hm=53c72a848e50fbd0bb096f078b6f87465904ec6d2c5ec9d6f23027c9beaaea6b&

[green wharf]

killing bears

[fossil mortar]

1.5m execute strong, actually a bit stronger than the PvP Fury execute - Raid did it :v

Just go mist

execute does decent dam at max if you do that

[fickle forge]

Or maybe Blizzard should just buff Execute for arms in PvP

[fossil mortar]

It already did a fair bit, but sure - I would love more

[fickle forge]

Did it though

[wheat jay]

or remove all the fucking dogshit execute procs

and then buff it by like 500%

xD

[fickle forge]

Hey man, again, if you know some secret tech, feel free to show us

[fossil mortar]

Remove massacre and you could start concidering that

[fickle forge]

Cause my exe almost heal them

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge log on

we can test

im on my dh, so ez target to get big hits xD

[fossil mortar]

No secret tech, context is that above with the number shown :v

[fickle forge]

Show a number from an arena game

I don't care about dummies

[fossil mortar]

That is fair - sure

[wheat jay]

what does it matter how hard you can hit a dummy lmao

[fossil mortar]

In context? It was a question of what could hit the hardest

Arms 2.1 and Fury 1.1 was the numbers I came to and showed

Out of context? Probably very little other than showing a baseline

[fickle forge]

I just ain't ever hit a 2M exe on arms

But I have on fury

[fossil mortar]

Hm, deathwish and the buff from BG, perhaps?

[fickle forge]

I play arena

[fossil mortar]

So only deathwish?

[fickle forge]

No DW in arena brother

[fossil mortar]

Then how did you get amp'd execute dam beyond 1.1m crit? Guess you found a target with no versa and lower than 30% armor value?

[fickle forge]

I'm assuming you're counting both hits of exe for fury as well

[fossil mortar]

Ye, it was in the thing shown, both parts crit

[fickle forge]

I doubt a R1 lock would play PvE gear

[fossil mortar]

Warlocks got no neg dam amps, so I wonder why it would amp higher than it should

Maybe double weap proc for mainstat with some sort of buff?

I am simply curious, not saying it aint possible.

[fickle forge]

I mean it doesn't bro, 1.6M execute is common as grass on fury

[fossil mortar]

So 1.6m is common, so using your data, to get to 3 mill that is a 100% increase.
3x mark is 45%, that is 2.2m, OF would be 2.7% add a stat proc and ya basically there.

[wheat jay]

guys

you can literally come online

and i have warr, dh, and hunter

so you can measure your dicks there

but arms doesnt hit executes above a million

if so, not by much

whereas fury can hit over 1.5mil

ON A PLAYER

not on a dummy

not in bgs

in arena scenario

[fossil mortar]

Sure - I guess?

[wheat jay]

👍

[fickle forge]

So we're gonna ramp this up to be perfect with every buff then?

[wheat jay]

you can, sure

[fierce elm]

lmao what is this argument

[wheat jay]

i cant describe it

[fossil mortar]

No argument, we just having fun with numbers

[wheat jay]

or ill get 1min timeout

[fierce elm]

my guy just brought some random idea and now its "GIVE IT A PERFECT BUFF"

[fickle forge]

I think there's no argument

Now we're just testing for memes

[fierce elm]

There is HATRED in the chat rn

[wheat jay]

yes

fuck you

[fossil mortar]

There is no hatred? ._.

[fierce elm]

Also Artji is lonely

THERE IS HATRED

IN THE CHAT

[craggy geyser]

Yeah stfu

lol

[fierce elm]

h a t r e d

Personally I think Kargish isnt hitting execute hard enough

[wheat jay]

ye

full cds

[fierce elm]

not hitting the button hard enough

[fossil mortar]

So that would be what as a crit?

[wheat jay]

150% of that

a bit above a million

[fossil mortar]

+mods, from slayer and blades+impale

and the exe buffing one, critcal thinking I am sure it is called

[wheat jay]

oh right i forgot arms has bonus crit dmg