pvp

[wheat jay]

ye becasue its a popular class

[dense herald]

guys

[wheat jay]

also, not really that popular

[dense herald]

rate my hunter keybinds

[wheat jay]

so stop talking out of your ass

[north thicket]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=dps:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=2:maxMythicLevel=99
^ Total hunter population in M+ is 2.2m, surely below Ret and Shaman

Compare apples to apples Artji

[wheat jay]

you're checking dps only

[north thicket]

Yes, I am

[wheat jay]

and its a class with 3 dps specs

[north thicket]

Yes, it is

[wheat jay]

compare it to every spec

its similar rep to warlock

[north thicket]

Compare apples to apples

[wheat jay]

when warlock is one of the least invited classes in m+

[north thicket]

It's above warlock

[green wharf]

lmao look at ret

cringe ass class

i did a timewalking with ret

[wheat jay]

cuz ret has only one dps spec, and it used to be meta

[north thicket]

It's below Ret and Shaman who are Meta

[wheat jay]

so everyone has a ret

[green wharf]

they lost even more buttons from DF

how people lose a 1x1 with this shit is unreal

must be pretty bad

[fierce elm]

Paladin is also just a widely popular class lmao

[wheat jay]

ye

hunter is not good in m+

lets look at top of m+

15+

[fierce elm]

Also it all depends on what yall look at kek

[wheat jay]

oh my

[fierce elm]

Ret falls off a cliff 😦

[wheat jay]

anyway, hunter is not good in m+, and its definitely not flooding it

at +12 its already falling off

[north thicket]

It's one of the most popular dps in M+

Score doesn't matter

[green wharf]

its funny to see shaman high in something

[wheat jay]

score does matter, noone cares about your +2 man

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

+10 is a weekly

so its whatever

if you want to say it floods m+, then look at top of the ladder

since that's where meta matters

everyone and their grandma can do a +10 on every spec, no matter how bad it is

[north thicket]

When I said floods I didn't specifically mention the top meta runs

[wheat jay]

okay, but at all mythic+ levels, from +2 to +20, its not even highest picked

[north thicket]

You are subsetting to a very low population of high key runners

[wheat jay]

its below ret, its below shaman

its similar to mage

its slighty ahead of warrior and dk

[fierce elm]

r o l l e d

[wheat jay]

its slightly ahead of warlock, which is the most dog class in m+

[north thicket]

It's 33%+ more than warrior

Come on 'slightly'

It's 3x DH population

2x Rogue population

[wheat jay]

ye cuz dh is terrible in m+ this season

and noone wants to play current inertia build

its not fun

[north thicket]

But tit's great that almost every single patch or fix since TWW start is about hunter

And so many dev resources are pouring into it

[wheat jay]

if we're talking about flooding at all levels, then there's shaman and ret

[wheat jay]

ye cuz its a mess of a class

while also being one of the most popular classes, because people like having pets, people like being ranged

[north thicket]

Despite BM being obnoxious AI bot in PvP and can sleep over keyboard in M+

[wheat jay]

its a stress free class

[north thicket]

A stress free class doesn't deserve so many dev resources and favor

[wheat jay]

people generally don't want to play 4dchess when doing m+

[north thicket]

This was my original point

Pour dev resources into problematics tanks, healers, below par dps spec

Don't waste 50% of dev time on the stress free class

[wheat jay]

you pour resources and time into what brings you the most playerbase

same reason pve gets all the attention, and pvp none

because the disparity between number of players is gigantic

also, feral, enh, survi, used to be the most neglected specs in the entire game

since WoD

or even earlier

[fierce elm]

Hunter is a mess

[north thicket]

Yeah, 30 years ago things were different

[wheat jay]

so now they get a fuckton of changes

[north thicket]

What about a century ago

[wheat jay]

cuz they need those changes

[green wharf]

at the end of the day hunters and paladins are the most popular class

[wheat jay]

hunter, warrior

this was at the start of the epxansion

max lvl class distribution

druid we can ignore cuz its mostly bots doing gathering i guess

[green wharf]

druid too, almost forgot

[wheat jay]

everyone started the game playing hunter or druid

[green wharf]

paladin is like the easiest cringe class, that any noob can do good

[fierce elm]

Yeah, despite class rep it can be a mess

[wheat jay]

and everyone has a sweet spot for those

[green wharf]

druids can turn into animals, hunters can tame pet

that shit is +++ for casuals

[wheat jay]

precisely

and so they get a lot of changes and attention from devs

[green wharf]

i started as warrior

[wheat jay]

as well as hunter being a fucking mess lmao

[green wharf]

but i did hunter after

[wheat jay]

i started druid, then hunter 😄

[green wharf]

warrior>warlock>hunter>druid>dk

but druid was like, dead at lv 20

[wheat jay]

lol

[green wharf]

and i deleted

not for me

[wheat jay]

and lets not ignore warrior that got reworked like 20 times since legion lol

and had numerous viable playstyles

both in pve and pvp

across all 3 specs lol

[dense herald]

ret*

[dense herald]

huh

fury is the same playstyle since shadowlands

[wheat jay]

mm i guess fury is the same

true

only had small changes

its a very complete spec ngl, dont think id change much on it if i could

[green wharf]

fury and prot are solid

arms need a rework

[fierce elm]

Brewmaster needs a rework before lmao

Either its busted or garbanzo beans

nothing in between

either its 10x better than other tanks

or 10x worse than the worst tank

[wheat jay]

real haha

[green wharf]

wtf are you on

[fierce elm]

Brewmaster

the tank spec

[wheat jay]

brewmaster

[fierce elm]

that is entirely forgotten

[green wharf]

blizz already made explicit only prot paladins are allowed to be good

[wheat jay]

its never "decent"

[green wharf]

this guy

[wheat jay]

its always either dogshit or op

[fierce elm]

Its a wild thing to balance

[wheat jay]

warrior tank is very good too

prot just took over top top top keys at some point

[fierce elm]

and its honestly the only spec that needs to be reworked from the ground

[green wharf]

it was nerfed

[wheat jay]

ye

still very good

[green wharf]

nah, paladins will be from 80% to 90% now

not that i care, i rather eat glass than do m+

[tall geode]

are we just dead to a ret 1v1

[wheat jay]

warr loses to everything 1v1

[tall geode]

awesome

[rancid granite]

go make a rogue if you care about 1v1 otherwise make some friends

[green wharf]

if you are prot no

[wheat jay]

feral

[tall geode]

🤓

[rancid granite]

feral 👎

[wheat jay]

for 1v1

only feral

[tulip sail]

i once again wonder do priest players die in real life if they use swap?

why is no priest in this game pressing that ability

[sterile moth]

Haha they press it all the time

Paladins using freedom on me? That’s a no, they do die IRL

[frank knoll]

Low key enhance is one of the best 1v1 specs also

[rancid granite]

rogue is just the coke of 1v1

cant go wrong

[frank knoll]

Yeah rogue is by far the best

[lavish quest]

Artji sucks

That is all

[dense herald]

ive beat rogues as warrior

[rancid granite]

ive technically beat every class 1v1 as warrior :D

[fierce elm]

Personally I lose every 1v1

[chilly pivot]

@fierce elm u prefer prio BT or RAGING BLOW as thane?

[fierce elm]

BT probably

[green wharf]

afro doesnt play warrior silly

he is main rogue and paladin

[fierce elm]

Thats what I say at least

but I can be extremely wrong

[chilly pivot]

yesterday everyone was sayin Raging blow, but i dont think so

[fierce elm]

also, arent you 2.5? lmao

I mean slayer slaps RB constantly

[chilly pivot]

yeah as slayer RB is big

[fierce elm]

But I have been taught its BT prio for thane

[wheat jay]

cuz you suckfro

[fierce elm]

Personally I have never seen a Survival hunter be outdpsed in twos by every matchup

[frank knoll]

Feral more fun than rogue too

[fierce elm]

as much as Artji does

Assa is so much fun lmao

because people tilt the fuck out

[wheat jay]

my guy, i've never seen you do more dmg than james, and he's playing a healer O_O

[fierce elm]

Yeah

How about you look at my assa games

exactly

or ret games

or warrior games

[wheat jay]

you might as well play disci too, and you'd do more dmg

oh ret games i remember

[fierce elm]

How about you play your spec better nerd

I saw those 2s

I saw what you did

[wheat jay]

ye i play dh better

[frank knoll]

It’s fun shifting around and healing yourself
Assa is fun cause you can cc like 5 people at once

[fierce elm]

I saw your damage

[wheat jay]

you saw my god tier traps mid disengage?

[fierce elm]

Assa is fun because multi-rotting everything down and watching them panic is fun

[wheat jay]

i know, im amazing

[frank knoll]

My sub expires in 3 days chat
Should I re up

[chilly pivot]

osnlaught > rampage > execute > Thunder > RB > BT (only prio BT over RB if procc), this should be optimal as thane

[fierce elm]

Onslaught over rampage the fuck

[exotic forge]

For slaughtering strikes stacks i imagine

[chilly pivot]

yee

[bright kraken]

are you babes proud of me i learnt how to use polymorph

[copper fox]

wtf

Get that sub 225 bench looking ass cloth wearing warrior hating thing out of here

[rancid granite]

agreed

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

looks like she's about to ask if you got any games on your phone

[civic scarab]

What do you guys think is better in BG blitz Fury or Arms?

[copper fox]

Fury is better in everything

[true tiger]

fury stomps arms in anything

prolly arms can be better for duels

[sour crag]

What is Feral Druid's burst mechanic?

[fierce elm]

Incarn

mixed with bleeds and big ferocious bites

[sour crag]

So def up if Incarnate pops?

[copper fox]

What is a duel

I like to stun and fear incarn tbh

Wall if you have to but it’s better to cc it

[sharp meteor]

Warr duels

[dense herald]

if someone keeps canceling q

ss

does that mean theres a win trader

[sour crag]

gooood this is taking forever

[true tiger]

they fall asleep waiting for 40 min q

[sour crag]

I keep getting draws and I am hardstuck in mid 1800

[fierce elm]

Depends

But yeah at higher ratings it can definitely be that way

Its pretty easy to do it now due to queue times lmao

[sour crag]

win trader?

What does that mean?

[fickle forge]

Don't worry about it

[dense herald]

im switching class man

healer is flaming me for doing 250k dps in evoker ret lobby

and i get 0 freedoms

how can i see how much i was freedomed

[slow solstice]

could check details then buffs/debuffs

[boreal veldt]

if you didn't get any dispells or freedoms then the healer is just a yapper and is available for blame

[dense herald]

doesnt show it there idk why

[dense herald]

i think i didnt get a single freedom

then he yappin about how his friend warrior went 5-1 in same lobby

[slow solstice]

maybe you just didnt get dispelled lol

[boreal veldt]

now when i'm on my priest and i dispell slows and hojs and purge bubbles in that lobby and warr still gettin low dps, then i have questions

[dense herald]

it was 3 paladins evoker and dh

[boreal veldt]

see thats wild

because i only see 1 freedom target in that lineup

and he ain't got wings

[sour crag]

I am so tired and I am not having fun anymorw iwth these bullshit lobbies.

[dense herald]

and the evoker wasnt flying my rounds and got trained ofc

[dense herald]

other warrior went 4-2 so ur the problem here

this is a good lobby imo u can cleave ALOT

[sour crag]

I don't know what to do against another fury. This is the first time I face another. I can't add pressure because I'm too afraid what he'll do to me.

[boreal veldt]

-74 is wild jfc blizz

[sour crag]

Worst part, HE dies when he and I are on the same team

[dense herald]

what r u afraid of just do damage

[sour crag]

Been queuing all morning and gotten nothing but draws, random crashes or teamplayer DCing, giving me less than 5 ratings per match

[dense herald]

like r u fury or arms

[fickle forge]

Bro lost mentally

[sour crag]

I tried to disarm him, but of course he bladestormed before I could.

then I panic.

[dense herald]

rookie mistake

always wait for bladestorm

disarm after

[sour crag]

now you tell me.

[fickle forge]

He went 0-6, it's justified

[sour crag]

sorry, I am just very

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

yeah

[boreal veldt]

[wheat jay]

slam more damage man

MORE DAMAGE

[sour crag]

Can't when cced

[fickle forge]

I mean bro the other fury warr could

It's a skill issue, rotation is lacking

[sour crag]

What do you mean? Build rage, spam rampage

that's all there's to it.

[fickle forge]

How can you say that when you get outpumped

[sour crag]

I don't know, you tell me? I'm doing exactly I'm being told but somehow I don't make more than 500k maybe.

I'm fully geared and everything

I keep my CD's as much as I can through rampage

But if I am spam-stunned and slowed down despite DR, how am I suppose to do any trainwork?

[sharp meteor]

my last fury lobby was 5-1 and i was too madge to q another

warr just so annoying in shuff

hey ranged/healer can we push in? nah? im just gonna get 1v3 juggled in cc? ya aight

[sour crag]

"Do damage"

God I hate that phrase so much now.

[fickle forge]

It's still applicant

[sour crag]

It's abstract to me, that's what that is.

I need help. Actual help.

[fickle forge]

Maybe also check CC done on details

[sharp meteor]

i mean as warr ur reliant on uptime/dmg

[fickle forge]

See if you're actually being as effective as the other fury

[sharp meteor]

which every warr does that's like the easy part at least for the most part

[sour crag]

Well my PC crashed yet again because i slammed my keyboard so

Can't se eit now lol

[sharp meteor]

wym doing dmg is just doing dmg

[fickle forge]

If it makes you this crazy, then the help I can recommend is sunlight and grass

[sharp meteor]

its like a super fundamental thing

fury and arms are just glorified bm hunter pets u sit there hitting thing

[sour crag]

So why am I failing so much then?

[boreal veldt]

Go gym

[sour crag]

No, I need to q more. But I'm too hot and angry at myself.

Just tell me how to do proper rotation so I can pratice.

[fickle forge]

Definitely time to go outside bro, shuffle is not that important

[sour crag]

At this point it kinda is. I spent so many hours on preparing since autumn to this. Just to get this far.

[sharp meteor]

imma b real i just kind of hit buttons

[boreal veldt]

You probably did your rotation into a bunch of dodges

[sharp meteor]

execute bad for my spec thats about all i know

usually its dont send cds/cc at bad time or like

dont poorly use moiblity

aka mount into somebody and piercing rather than leap or charge

[fickle forge]

It really isn't bro

It's a game, no point getting mad over it

[boreal veldt]

^

[sour crag]

All I ask is proper learning how to rotate my damage. I need to know where I'm losing the damage.

Should I remove Execute?

[wheat jay]

nothing else to do

[fickle forge]

???

[boreal veldt]

Only us colossus bois remove execute.

Don't appropriate my culture

[sharp meteor]

nah that's just me as thane where i feel like every other button higher prio

bad example ig

[sour crag]

Well I'm slayer

[exotic forge]

No no no no

Even more so as Slayer

Big no

[sour crag]

I mean... I'm unsure what order to press the buttons to built up proper. And then to actually press the CDs

I don't even know what BT is even for other measly healing me.

[true tiger]

how is this poss

in solo shuffle

PRIEST FKN dispels

0 roots

0 slows

wtf is that man

at 2.4k mme

[exotic forge]

RB takes priority over BT; you only use BT to keep up enrage when nothing else is available or to heal during regen

[sharp meteor]

bt procs a spin that applies a dmg buff to the target same as bladestorm

also buffs ur rampage

also heal durin frenzied

which also procced by unhinged

raginy blow buffs rampage which is like ur big button

execute procs big deal as slayer and buff next spin

[sour crag]

So my 1 2 3 buttons should be Onslaught, RB, BT? I have Execute in case I still lack rage to get Rampage.

[exotic forge]

Preferably use Regen and then Bladestorm at 3 stacks (if possible) for max healing when you're low

[sour crag]

Should I reck+Avatar before I begin rotation or before I press my first Rampage?

I never know when to properly try to burst. Seems pointless to do at the start of the round

bullrushing, that is

[exotic forge]

applying pressure right off the bat is good imo

[sharp meteor]

in gen u usually try to trade as aggressively and as early as possible esp in shuff

need ur cds back up when dmg starts to rly stick later

u cant just afk until they use their cc gotta trinket/bladestorm/banner or w/e to stay active

reflect another big one

[sour crag]

But if I open everything I got and I face a brickfall of defs or getting spammed CCs, it's still wastefull and cauysing everything to drag out. Or in worst case, making me los the healer who remained at the back.

I honestly don't dare to charge anymore because I can't trust my healer from bothering to go out

Also I shouldn't put def and burst at the same time, no`? that's also a wasteful. People keep telling me it should be one after another, not at once.

[slow solstice]

you should

my opener always goes charge ava reck roar onslaught

[sour crag]

And how often has that been succesful?

be honest

and by succesful, I mean having managed to kill someone or not making your healer hate you for going across the map without their protection

[slow solstice]

idk i win games because i kill people doing that

so pretty good

maybe versus double range comps i dont do that

[sour crag]

Then what do you do?

[slow solstice]

do the same thing slower

after i get rooted or ccd

[sour crag]

And who do you target especially?

[slow solstice]

whoever i can kill?

[sour crag]

How do you know you can kill them?

[slow solstice]

playing games

run at people see who you can kill and apply to next games

limit test

[sour crag]

Do you always target a druid regardless the comp?

[slow solstice]

no?

[sour crag]

But moon burst and clone?

[slow solstice]

just press a defensive?

feral is unkillable and boomie maybe

but i would rather hit melee than boomie

[sour crag]

Wait, what do you mean unkillable?

[rancid granite]

youtube has so much free therapy content

[sour crag]

I mean pvp help.

Not mental help. I am getting outside in a abit, but I wanna learn first.

[rancid granite]

you need to give your balls a tug and go queue and play instead of complaining and getting mad

[sour crag]

So what does it mean that feral is unkillable? Should I not target them?

[slow solstice]

they are overtuned defensively

[sour crag]

And yet every shuffle I join people go "go feral"

[rancid granite]

so go feral

but if it's not working don't go feral

there's no yes or no answer

[slow solstice]

^

[rancid granite]

the more you play the more experience you get the more decisive you will feel about who to target

every match is different and it's own thing

[boreal veldt]

Have you heard of skillcapped?
For a monthly fee of 19.99 you too can get access to tips and tricks of WoW pvp, UI, Addons and

[rancid granite]

sounds like you're, kraanos, losing the mental battle in overthinking and saying you're.. afraid to do x and y, and getting tilted

[slow solstice]

i swear you can climb if you kill people by 2nd avatar

[exotic forge]

The less you think the better tbh

[sour crag]

The less I think the quicker I die, tho.

See my dilemma?

[rancid granite]

it's a ratio, ask 1 question for every 10 separate shuffle games you do

[slow solstice]

are you press stormbolt on cd

are you shockwaving on cd

[rancid granite]

see you're overthinking and making excuses

[slow solstice]

are you howlingon cd

like we have no idea what goes on in your games

[rancid granite]

pressing buttons fast and on cool down is actually a skillcapped tip lmao

[boreal veldt]

To ZUGZUG is a two sided sword, one ZUG is to kill by not thinking,
The other ZUG is to die by not thinking.
It is the way.

[slow solstice]

you mean

press your cds on cd and crank

[rancid granite]

zug. yes lmao

the #1 fundamental of pvp

zug, do dps, crank it

[slow solstice]

im just saying the only way i climbed from 0 pvp exp to 2100 was doing damage before i died

not thinking about pvp comps

[exotic forge]

Simple term but hey it works

[slow solstice]

or who i can kill

[rancid granite]

that's how I got 2400 (2390) turned off my brain had fun and zugged

[exotic forge]

high risk high reward

Oh dude I love winning 3 rounds in shuffle and getting 2 points of rating

[boreal veldt]

this is the way

[exotic forge]

YEAHH DUDE

[slow solstice]

i dont know how to setup cc or losing healers

the only thing i know how to do is do damage

[rancid granite]

once you can zug without thinking you'll start seeing openings on stuff to do buuuut that requires spamming games

[sour crag]

do damahe regardless if a bubble or coocoon popped up, you just stay on target until it's dead?

[rancid granite]

but you can't do damage if they're immune

which defeats the zug

[slow solstice]

you dont have to swap on cocoon

[rancid granite]

you can't zug if you do 0 dmg

[sour crag]

isn't coccon nigh invulnerable tho?

[slow solstice]

no

because if someone is cocooned it means the healer thinks they die soon and you should have been hitting them before that which means you have slaughterhouse stacks

which means if you keep hitting they will die

[sour crag]

I was about the ask, does the MS stack really mitigate that much against absorb defs?

[exotic forge]

Absorbs aren't affected by ms

[slow solstice]

its about after it breaks

if you swap you lose all the stacks and pressure

[sour crag]

I still apply stacks even if the absorb is up, right?

[slow solstice]

yes

[sour crag]

And the only way to apply them is via Rampage and Onslaught?

I'm asking these stuff because I want to have more confidence in my damagedealing to whatever target I face.

Ensure what I do is worth the zug

[rancid granite]

rampage on CD and use other abilities for rage for rampage

[slow solstice]

i think you should get us a game of you playing for us to watch

because its so hard to tell what you are struggling with

[sour crag]

Yeah I'm trying to set up a youtube account but it's beinga bitch to me atm

[boreal veldt]

imo, change your mog, good mog = more dps

[sour crag]

Okay I think I got it now, will record next time

Who even looks at mogs while pvp?

[rancid granite]

he's struggling with mental fortitude and q'ing next

look good feel good play good

more important than zugging

[slow solstice]

idk i was queuing severely depressed

winnjngp

just dod damage

[exotic forge]

Normally I do way better when i'm angry

Warrior mentality lol

[rancid granite]

just be OK losing and you'll go far imo lol

[sour crag]

I've kept pressing q despite not feeling it. Either I accept and nobvody else does, waiting maybe 30 mins before the next pop, or getting Draws most of the time.

[fickle forge]

He's breaking his keyboard and PC from losses bro

[sour crag]

So it's not that I don't keep q, it's everything else.

[exotic forge]

[fickle forge]

Grats dude

[exotic forge]

I can log off for the rest of the season now

[slow solstice]

yesterday i found a dh with 1400 shuffle rounds

i was scared

[exotic forge]

I have 253 rounds played

huh, thought I'd have more

[fickle forge]

Dailyshuffle is on 3.5k shuffles

[true tiger]

ive seen 3k shuffle guy with 1.7k rating

probably he says its teammates diff

[fickle forge]

Saw a disc priest on 1500 after 3600 rounds

[sour crag]

I've played 511 rounds on fury alone.

[slow solstice]

[rancid granite]

well, why play then of you don't feel like it? or how do you expect to have fun or win if you don't feel like it? lol

[exotic forge]

Number 56 on the leaderboards, not bad

[exotic forge]

Jesus Christ

[sour crag]

I know I know, I'm working on it.

[green anchor]

wow wtf

[boreal veldt]

good god i swear healing some of these lobbies should be considered charity work

bm, aff, frost mage, bal dru, and no one broke 70k dps in any round

actually lost to dampening and oom

[true tiger]

had mage going 0/6

all he knew was

blink blink blink freeze blink and that timewarp

peak mage gameplay

[exotic forge]

smf thane is actually peak, ayo?

[torn sigil]

i saw a shaman with 7k shuf rounds and 2k started playing wow this xpac

on tha grind

[frank knoll]

I saw a ret with 4K rounds played who was barely 2k

A whole back someone posted a healer on here was like under 1k rating with several hundred rounds played

[green anchor]

derank service

[north thicket]

gz! smf thane 🙂

[torn sigil]

is smf thane a thing this xpac? big dam

[exotic forge]

[exotic forge]

It is but I got elite as Arms lol

trying to at least reach 2,1k as SMF tho

[fallen estuary]

Anyone falling for this im just going to laugh lol

[exotic forge]

It's not a joke though

[fallen estuary]

Thats the funniest part

[exotic forge]

It's very fun tbh, esp in blitz

[fallen estuary]

wya in blitz?

[frank knoll]

Faster melee attack speed from SMF= more lightning strikes

Even better if you equip agility daggers

[fallen estuary]

im doing 1.3mil + LS's with 2h and mastery stack. i tested SMF itself with 1hs and with haste and its does proc faster but BARELY hits anywhere near what im hitting with what im rocking rn

if you arent qing for results you can run it but if youre qing with smf thane for results you are just griefing yourself

[exotic forge]

Not like you're going to but, s'a good point

[fallen estuary]

like just stack haste

[exotic forge]

Last time I tested with 2 handers (and I think that was months ago), there was barely a difference in damage. Probably about 5% or so

[fallen estuary]

i waste time testing nearly everything i can out as warrior as i hate playing every other spec and i can tell you thats a cope saying (prob about 5%)

using 2h and stacking mastery makes LS's hit way into the millions

and just cleaving spams LS's anyway the spec isnt for ST results

youre losing a TON of damage going 1h

[exotic forge]

I dunno man, all of the shuffle matches I've played as smf I've come out winning (3-3 or 4-2) and most of the time I'm 2nd in damage

It's worked for me

[fallen estuary]

what mmr

[exotic forge]

hell if I know, I don't look at it normally. Think it was 1,8k to 2k?

[dense herald]

ok so i saw the pala who was flaming me and he did 3 times less cc than the enemy holy pala ,he did 4 times less damage than the other pala,only 1 dispell on searing glare

[frank knoll]

I’m playing at 3.2 with daggers and winning lobbies

[fallen estuary]

so starting mmr for new players

[fallen estuary]

blitz you get carried by other classes, warriors only exist to be blood bags and damage bots in blitz

so daggers are ok

[exotic forge]

I'm currently 1950 rating on fury spec so idk what to tell ya

Sometimes it's put me with people with 2,2k+

matchmaking is interesting

[fallen estuary]

youre missing the point, 1800-2k is typical mmr for new players since they start about 1900 now. you can get away with mostly bad builds or anything cause most players dont even press their buttons correctly

[fallen estuary]

those are pitty lobbies pulling people cause of gaps in ques

[exotic forge]

You could say the same about the majority of players tbf

[fallen estuary]

yea

arcane and a frost lost to a fury warrior

[exotic forge]

yeah that's the point

[wheat jay]

finally some proper pvp

not some dogshit shuffle for noobs

[exotic forge]

Plunderstorm is very fun

[wheat jay]

it is

but noone wants to duo with me 😦

did some with guildies

but @fickle forge didnt want to

fuck you kargish

[exotic forge]

Be a chad and go solo

[wheat jay]

I do

I win most xD

[exotic forge]

All the plunder is yours to take

ez

[wheat jay]

mana sphere goated

[exotic forge]

Searing Axe when it hits tho

[wheat jay]

searing axe, mana sphere, stun, vanish

goated combo

[exotic forge]

or lightning shield

get hit, run quick, get an axe to the head

[wheat jay]

ye its cool too

stun, vanish, and shield serve the same purpose xD

to get close for axe

and mana sphere for ganks i guess

they need to delete mackarel

[frank knoll]

I got onshotted by the axe
Titled and quit

Some guy was level 10 like 1 min and 30 secs into the match

[wheat jay]

imma play a quick solo

and dip to sleep

[frank knoll]

hey @wheat jay are you a millionaire?

[wheat jay]

no

i wish lmao

[frank knoll]

Then wtf are you doing sleeping

[wheat jay]

need sleep for energy

to make money

[frank knoll]

People your age drive supercars
And you’re out here sleeping

[wheat jay]

what do you mean

im 27

in poland people my age drive bmw e46 at best

whatever is still in one piece

is good

[fickle forge]

I can MAYBE be persuaded, but I'd rather do Helldivers with you first

[frank knoll]

I can help you
Dm me
I have a course that can give you the tools to be a millionaire

[sour crag]

Alright, I uploaded a vid now

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-15820410280317961981

MY GUY

YOU HAVE SKILLS BOUND

AND YOU CLICK THEM

WITH YOUR MOUSE

[fallen estuary]

i saw and got angry immediately

[rancid granite]

congrats on being a stinky 14yo kid

[sour crag]

I'm sorry to have upset you with my bad mouseclicking habit

[exotic forge]

[wheat jay]

he opens with bs and cancels it

O_O

like

basics are there kinda

[fallen estuary]

bladestorm into DBTS

[rancid granite]

UI so cluttered it's blinding

[fallen estuary]

my heart is failing

[sour crag]

Guys

[wheat jay]

imma leave the proper breakdown to kargish

since he likes to do it

but kraanos

[sour crag]

you can bring this to the actual thread

[wheat jay]

big mistake is sending your cooldowns, when enemy still has walls up

[sour crag]

please

[wheat jay]

[fallen estuary]

thats a thread?

[rancid granite]

MESSY UI

[wheat jay]

dabdaddy

we have threads

#1261442398945415239

is where people make threads

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27443459

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-bongo-cat-warrior-gif-27388603

[sour crag]

Not sure I like the toxic comments tho

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-funny-frowning-grumpy-gif-14501018

[wheat jay]

are they toxic?

[rancid granite]

only if you tell him he's wrong

[sour crag]

I saw that Dabaddy

you flipped me off.

[fallen estuary]

did i?

[rancid granite]

can't even review cause too much UI in the way

skillcapped addon praise

[wheat jay]

nah

ui isnt bad

[rancid granite]

im exaggerating but it really is a lot of clutter lol

[fallen estuary]

wtf is the skillcapped ui?

[wheat jay]

they made an addon

[fallen estuary]

i hear new players using it but idk wtf it is

[wheat jay]

or pack of addons

which is basically a pack made for pvp

based on what top players usually have on their ui

[sour crag]

I mean, if you want me to clean the UI I would appreciate more detail what exactly is cluttering for you. keep telling me it sucks doesn't help

[fallen estuary]

i dont use any addons except plater and xperl lmao

[wheat jay]

ok but you also suck dabdaddy

[fallen estuary]

suck what

[rancid granite]

skillcapped tells you what to download and it customizes it for you its a really nice addon

[sour crag]

I've tried it before, but I didn't like it.

[rancid granite]

but yeah everyone has their own ui its whatever lol

[wheat jay]

you tell me 😉 😉

[sour crag]

skillcapped may have a decent package, but if I don't even understand half of what the stuff do, plus it messes up a UI I am used to, it does little to help me honestly.

[fallen estuary]

😉

[rancid granite]

the manual mouse click

[sour crag]

Fiiin I wont click stuff ever again

[wheat jay]

you can click battle shout and mount

that's all

[rancid granite]

macro mount/bs together like me 💪

can't forget the intervene button either

that's my only contribution to the review

stormbolt focus target macro is nice though i assume everyone hear uses it?

and focus target healer

[sour crag]

Again

I would appreciate all such feedback on my thread please, otherwise all this is gonna get lost behind further chat.

[wheat jay]

true

send it in his thread aatos

[rancid granite]

na that's too needy for me

he can read

plenty of time in Q for it

[sour crag]

Whatever you say

[sharp meteor]

you can get reasonably far clicking a few things but on warr u have like 10 binds total

[green wharf]

mine expires in 4, but since they gave mm pets back i will re up

the salty from the m+ andys on the hunter discord destroyed my kidney

[median beacon]

I have a question. If I, a casual player, reach 1800 rating in solo shuffle/blitz and 1600-1800 in 2v2 arena (if I put in the time and find good partners) every season I play (since BFA).
How good I am in pvp?
(arms warrior)

[civic scarab]

Does anyone have bad days doing solo shuffle? I’ve been going up and down around 1600-1790 and there has been some games that I’ve had to carry the grenade players in my lobby. Idk It feels impossible to climb rating at this point

[rancid granite]

ups and downs bad days good days all part of the game

keep q'ing keep practicing keep trying 🙏

[sour crag]

I've had my good share of those days, as some here have unfortunately had to witness to their detriment.

[sterile moth]

@civic scarab definitely. At that rating in particular, damage is king

But the heals are going to be so bad, if you don’t kill something quickly, you’ll plateau…warriors need at least semi-competent heals

[median beacon]

I have a question. If I, a casual player, reach 1800 rating in solo shuffle/blitz and 1600-1800 in 2v2 arena (if I put in the time and find good partners) every season I play (since BFA).
How good am I in pvp?
(arms warrior)

[copper sparrow]

Is that a copy pasta

[sterile moth]

@median beacon slightly above average

[rancid granite]

as good as you feel you are imo

[rugged temple]

Seeing players in the city with like 40% win rate over 1800 in BG blitz

[hot solstice]

whats the problem with wow being blurry?

99% render scale fixes problem but cuts lot of fps

[fierce elm]

I havent ran into that

might have changed something inyour settings

or something is scuffed

[rancid granite]

Stenm huh

@tribal holly

get'm

[modest panther]

should i leave whispers on in shuffle or off, do you guys get helpful information mid match from fellow players?

[fierce elm]

Well

its about 95% toxicity

5% just well played messages

[modest panther]

yeah thats about what I get

healers get really mad

[fierce elm]

Personally find the toxicity funny lmao

[modest panther]

but its like buddy, im going to be on your team a few times after you call me a ****

[rancid granite]

why woudl you play a team game and turn off communication? just talk and be kind; throw in humor make people laugh

[sterile moth]

It’s best to keep it on. When you make a mistake, it’s best just to own it. That alone cuts down most of the toxicity

[rancid granite]

i've experienced maybe 2 out of 100 matches to be authentically toxic

a lot of it is just people fuming like 'wtf happened' 'wth no defensives?' which isnt toxic at all

[sterile moth]

Keep any out going criticism professional or don’t say anything

[rancid granite]

yeah, that

be kind, own mistakes, make people laugh

it'll up your % chance of winning

i dont get people getting upset over 'wth u suck' comments; hit'm with the 'haha yeah i screwed up mb we got this' and then they reply with 'haha np bro it happens'

so tldr is if you think the majority of the games/people are toxic, you are the toxic one

[fierce elm]

I just ignore it lmao

[rancid granite]

like afro

95% toxicity my ass

[fierce elm]

Oh no I mean whispers received

Not just actual chat

I dont know if yall get a lot of whispers

[rancid granite]

oh

[fierce elm]

I have gotten a total of 5 whispers across all rounds on every character

so yeah lmao

Actual chat is chill af

[rancid granite]

i love whispers especially if they're like 5-10mins post match LOL

[fierce elm]

Whispers however are toxic in general in my experience

[rancid granite]

i end it with 'bro im 11 irl and you're mad at me LOL' and no one replies to it :)

i still say they're never real toxicity; real toxic behavior is so small lol

real toxic = they will get banned with a report

anything else is just silly

[dense herald]

Rogue was telling me i was bad cuz i didnt go warlock,i told him i went warlock all game but he said yeah but you didnt go warlock on opener,while our healer is on another side on map and warlock was behind pillar,i was trying to tell him i would die from the ele shaman but he just told me to press wall....

[sterile moth]

Generally when you trade CDs on time, people won’t ever say much

[fierce elm]

press wall nerdass

[dense herald]

Like i dont think he has ever played warrior

Or saw warrior gameplay

Even with dstance and wall id just die in 3 seconds from ele shaman cuz healer other side of map

[green wharf]

1. because the team

[rancid granite]

"oh maybe you're right i'll reflect on that" bam target neutralized

[rancid granite]

'focus who?' absolute silence

is the most tilting thing

[dense herald]

Yeah i told the rogue that also b4 game and he didnt answer me xd

[fierce elm]

lmao

Focus who is such a BAD thing to say

dont fucking @ me

[rancid granite]

it gets people TALKING

[fierce elm]

Especially when 99% of the time its because the person is uncertain who they can hit

"Im a rogue big man I can hit w.e"

[dense herald]

Well i usually ask who u wanna go

[rancid granite]

and if you make some hotshot feel good then thats helpful

like

asking it is hyping up your team too

[fierce elm]

All I communicate pre-hand on rogue is "Dont fucking CC shit unless we can kill"

All I communicate pre-hand on pala is "Dont use CDs on me because I will lay the first one"

I am out here VIBING

[rancid granite]

yeah pop up in the group SUP NINJAS LETS GOOOOO

spread the vibes

[green wharf]

at this point, people should know who they should focus and tos witch when needed

[fierce elm]

If they ask that I just respond "I can hit w.e"

Usually its warriors or low-mobility specs that ask it

and that is fair lmao

[rancid granite]

well yeah thats not much of the point though; also never assume people know anything

[fierce elm]

All it means is that they dont wanna go into x target and waste time

[rancid granite]

its just to help get people focused in and thinking rofl

[fierce elm]

FUCK THE PEOPLE

Im kidding

[rancid granite]

IT HELPS THE WIN %

it's part of the match

pvp starts as soon as you load in

[fierce elm]

Right now my goal is not to win anyways in SS on Rogue

[rancid granite]

not when gates open

[fierce elm]

my goal is to tilt healers

You will enjoy a cc-chain into a silence chain

that you can do nothing about while your team rots down

[rancid granite]

lmao i used to actually feel guilty playing rogue/sub spec

but everyone else has so much bullshit to spam i stopped thinking that way

[stark agate]

Is it general consensus that Powerful Enrage is a more optimal pick over Frenzied? For the burst?

[boreal veldt]

Breaking news, Afro "Man of the People" exposed as a charlatan.

[fierce elm]

: )

I changed after the Assa-swap

[fierce elm]

Its still a toss up

[fierce elm]

accurate

[boreal veldt]

damn my priest got a bigger d than both my dps specs combined

[fickle forge]

Guess my D is the biggest together with Zercher

[sterile moth]

A shaman player definitely made this

[fierce elm]

Uh Arms main BTW

Aint no rerolling size here

[fickle forge]

I main enh sham

[fierce elm]

yeah stop

You are an arms main

[stark agate]

This is cearly the #fury PvP chat guy

make ur way outta here

[rancid granite]

can we get a 2nd chart but ball size

[stark agate]

How do you guys fight lock + rogue

It's like 2/3 of alll my games

[slow solstice]

hit lock?

[stark agate]

is that sarcasm or are you just guessing

[fierce elm]

what bracket

[slow solstice]

2

[stark agate]

2200+

[fierce elm]

Bracket not rating

Because that makes the most difference in how much you can do

[stark agate]

what's bracket

[fierce elm]

3s/ss

[slow solstice]

3s 2s

ss

[stark agate]

3s

[fierce elm]

What comp?

[stark agate]

currently spriest holy and fury

holy pala

[fierce elm]

Yeah, slam face into Warlock, line whenever you can, do not stack versus the rogue unless you have to

Try to bait rogue around a corner so Warlock cant freecast and pump damage into rogue

otherwise just pray to the gods tbh

[slow solstice]

when would you not hit wl

[fierce elm]

Dont wanna facetank Warlock all the time

so swapping rogue is a viable strat

But you cant swap rogue unless you can guarantee CC/LoS of the Lock

and you dont wanna triple stack against Rogue or you will die anyways

[slow solstice]

what about ss

[fierce elm]

SS comes down to just slamming your face into whatever you can hit

but the same thoughts remain

you cant triple stack into rogue, you dont wanna let Warlock freecast

[green wharf]

its cuz the d is on their butthole

fuck disc

[boreal veldt]

just farming low mmr healer karma (and conq boxes)

[frank knoll]

Started playing assa rogue
Jfc I feel like I’m playing different game

[green wharf]

WHY

[sharp meteor]

maybe he likes winnin bub

ur the main character as rogue in arena and bgs

[rugged temple]

As fury in solo shuffle is slayer or thane better?

[sharp meteor]

i think slayer better in general but sometimes if uget high cleave value thane is sick

like if u can just slam 2+ target all game its giga dam

[green wharf]

i like thane cause passive slow as well, from tclap

if you face BM its almost certain you get seismic reverberation

[fierce elm]

Because you are

[green wharf]

got 1950 on another character

2000 in one, improving bit by bit

[green wharf]

[elfin surge]

we're so back

[urban skiff]

imagine if people mained warrior

that's kind of gross tbh

[torn sigil]

rdruid and assa anywhere near the top is insane

[urban skiff]

if this isn't true idk

[green wharf]

you cant comment you are biased

[urban skiff]

Having a big dik doesn't make me biased

I can't help that I have omnidirectional awareness with my dik-o-meter

[thick reef]

realistically, how much of a disadvantage am I at if i don't play gnome/human/orc?

[sharp meteor]

why u got human/orc listed by gnome lmaoo

and i mean u feel the lack of gnome

after playin with it

[green wharf]

if you are good

racials should not matter

unless is cringe ass shadowmeld

[sharp meteor]

nah sitting a root that gnome would've broken either to vene or connect on somebod is brutal after playin gnome

like they arent gonna make or break your climb for a long time

but it lyin to say it dont win games

[urban skiff]

i miss shadowlands

[urban skiff]

I think it's confusion.

Racials are as good as your ability to use them and how close you are to using the entire kit of your class and spec

If you're not very good at your class, the racial isn't going to make any difference

If you utilize 99% of your spec kit, the racial is going to be the difference between you and the other guy using 99% of their kit who doesn't have the racial

The less you utilize your base kit, the less meaningful your racial becomes

relatively speaking

[green wharf]

most of my experience with roots is once you get rid of then, there is another

[slow solstice]

^

[urban skiff]

Root has DR

You don't remove the final root, you remove the first

[wheat jay]

Ok but you lose by being a gnome

Ego win > arena win

[sour crag]

Be useless like me

Become a draenei.

https://tenor.com/view/a-la-folie-gif-6065193482176645276

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

i've seen enough r34 to appreciate some draenei art 👍

[sour crag]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-of-culture-meme-мем-anime-аниме-gif-25806248

[wheat jay]

now that i think about it, blizz has been the biggest r34 contributor in terms of character design

every wow npc

[slow solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-locked-in-angry-bubu-red-bird-red-gif-13807202352659823415

[wheat jay]

every overwatch character

[slow solstice]

ow

[wheat jay]

like

dude

[sour crag]

Didn't OW "art" come to a grinding halt after OW2 tho?

[wheat jay]

im fairly sure more people know about overwatch from r34, than from overwatch itself

[wheat jay]

no lol

[lavish quest]

Rumor has it, Rivals is eating into OW's F.A.P. market

[wheat jay]

What

Nah

Where am i gonna get my new widowmaker tracer and mercy content from

Smh

But oh well luna snow is good too

[green wharf]

isnt overwatch dead

andmarvel rivals kill it

well finish it off, heard the game wasnt doing well

[lavish quest]

You'll have to settle for Venom

[wheat jay]

Good enough

[wheat jay]

Better games kill worse games

Same as poe, with not even half of its content out straight up murdered diablo xD

[green wharf]

i found funny, that blizz made overwatch 2

and it was the same as overwatch

since they scrap what was supposed to be on 2

major this vibes

[lavish quest]

Blizz got content and fat

Now they gettin they ass beat

[green wharf]

im so pissed at the reforged fiasco

i see other games delivering BANGERS of rework

like the people doing age of mythology and age of empires

and bliz deliver that shit

[lavish quest]

Yeah...

Real shame they shit on their own legacy

[idle falcon]

i shouldn't play PvP anymore

it makes me a really bad person

atleast solo shuffle

the rest is fine

[wheat jay]

Play plunder xD

[lavish quest]

This season of plunder is worse than the first one imo

[sour crag]

I've already collected everything of plunderstorm.

[green wharf]

but its for my warlock

[lavish quest]

Eww warlock

Have some self respect

[fallow solstice]

Hey Just got my warrior alt ready for conquest farming. What should I be upgrading first: glad gear that rolled crit/vers out of my conquest boxes, or my honor pieces with correct stats?

[fickle forge]

Neither

Upgrading gear only makes it stronger for PvE

[fallow solstice]

I mean, what pieces should I be replacing

not upgrading

[fickle forge]

Honor

[fallow solstice]

gracias

[fickle forge]

Get conq and then replace the incorrect conq pieces later

[fallow solstice]

got it

Also have 1 glad, 1 bloody token weapon. Would you prio buying a heraldry and crafting the embelished sword over replacing honor pieces, or get full conq first then craft the algari weapon

[fickle forge]

I'd just do both

You get 9 herald from Q, buy 1 more for embel and then continue replacing honor

[fallow solstice]

👍

[hot solstice]

I love this takes

Guess if ones mains monk it means he gets no bitches or what?

[urban skiff]

never waste time whispering people after it's over

You have nothing to gain

[true tiger]

report and move on

[rancid granite]

ain't nothing to report but I love how "dog" is supposed to be an insult

https://tenor.com/view/nice-gif-25362459

[true tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/military-dog-sus-sus-dog-gif-16177650858637434944

[rancid granite]

imagine someone calls you dog and you're sitting there like that

[fickle forge]

This breakdown bro

49% Rampage

[urban skiff]

what's the secret

[fickle forge]

Press Rampage

And I mean it hits for like 2M

[true tiger]

spear?

never seen spear of fury

[lavish quest]

When I play thane it looks like this yes

[fickle forge]

It's better Imo

[urban skiff]

there's no reason why it won't be good though

during cds you crit a lot so big crits a lot

[fickle forge]

Seems ladder agrees

[true tiger]

idk man never seen a single fury with it

was that always meta?

[fickle forge]

It's a good life brother

[true tiger]

thought this was the meta

not spear

[rancid granite]

thane stuff

[true tiger]

aah its thane buildd

[fickle forge]

You're thane if you wanna optimise

[craggy igloo]

anyone know how to track legend wins? cant seem to find the achievement

[true tiger]

why everyone decided to go thane out of nowhere

[fickle forge]

It's not out of nowhere

They buffed Rampage for thane

Now it's good

[dense herald]

I take spear every game as thane

Cuz thane cleaves and if u can spear 2 ppl its insane

[true tiger]

ive been playing slayer all season

whats diff in thane rotationb

[fickle forge]

Thunder Clap

And BT becomes better than RB

[true tiger]

soo thane is better than slayer now

[urban skiff]

what's with the absurd haste amount of thane builds?

[true tiger]

damn i have full mastery gear

[true tiger]

what bracket is that

oh not 2v2 pls.i aint watching that bracket xD

[fickle forge]

It's slightly better

[fickle forge]

A lot of people stick with slayer because it's a piss easy spec

[urban skiff]

does it even matter when the pattern repeats in the other brackets?

[lavish quest]

Is there something that makes thane hard?

[urban skiff]

there's 1 extra button

I guess you could unbind slam for thane

[slow solstice]

gm pvp chat

[lavish quest]

I just run it into melee cleaves or like lock/sp and 3 melee

I assumed slayer would be better into multiple ranged

[urban skiff]

what would you run in 2s?

[fickle forge]

It's probably slayer for 2s

[lavish quest]

Prob slayer if I actually played 2s

Kek

[fickle forge]

Fury is broken, just pick something really

[lavish quest]

[slow solstice]

i went to sleep at 6

[lavish quest]

8. Pm. Yesterday

[slow solstice]

how does it feel to not be a degenerate

[lavish quest]

A lot like being a corporate slave

[slow solstice]

owned

[dense herald]

Depends on the matchup

[lavish quest]

I don't live paycheck to paycheck at least. Me just focus on making green line go up for now