pvp

[fierce elm]

Depends on how they use it

For monetary gain or for looking good?

[urban skiff]

Hopefully on class domination

[fierce elm]

fuck it send it

then have the talk about consequences

[slow solstice]

tell her to send it

[urban skiff]

Right now we're testing on the mom with satisfying results. Just need to fix up her pokerface

[fierce elm]

You mean she cant be like "Look at my extra card MOM" after she wins?

[urban skiff]

No more like she's smiling while she's doing it

[fierce elm]

lmao

[rancid granite]

how long til she begins using it on zercher

[fierce elm]

Swindle her old man

[rancid granite]

when the student outdoes the master

Lol

[urban skiff]

Big one is a gamer at heart. Gonna play plunderstorm with her.

Little one is athleticism incarnate

[fierce elm]

Can you get your kid to grind plunder on my account

[urban skiff]

It's like i made a mage and a feral warrior.

I'll have her grind your rating down

[sterile moth]

What the hell is plunderstorm and is it just for mogs?

[fierce elm]

A battleroyale pvp gamemode

[rancid granite]

its fortnite

lol

[fierce elm]

just for mogs

its literally fortnite lmao

[rancid granite]

it's kinda silly fun for a minute

[fierce elm]

and mounts/pets I guess

[rancid granite]

you can duo too

[exotic forge]

It's a fun game mode, unironically

[urban skiff]

She already has a winrate of 100% in cross and bun when going first and above 50% when it's "randomized". I write randomized like that because the way you raise you rate is by finding ways to trick your opponent into going first. So good way to train social engineering skills.

[fierce elm]

its fun for like 30-60 minute sessions personally

[urban skiff]

Next up is 4 in a row/connect 4, which is also a solved game.

[sterile moth]

I could do a round of shuffle in that time though!

[urban skiff]

After that we can work on rock paper scissors and idk, generic card game fuckery

[fierce elm]

rock papper scissors is a solved game against people you never play

you just throw one thing 3 times

80% winrate

First one they are gonna send w.e they feel like

2nd they dont think you are going it

if they do it

they are gonna think you send something else the 3rd time

then repeat until win lmao

[slow solstice]

whats the algorithm

[urban skiff]

Same as cross and bun, go first and go mid

[urban skiff]

What's the math behind 80%?

[fierce elm]

I made it the fuck up

[slow solstice]

owned

[fierce elm]

With enough confidence you can make any number sound real

[slow solstice]

@urban skiff

this is urgent

[wheat jay]

why is plunderstorm more fun than arena

wtf

[fierce elm]

no 40 minute queues

[lavish quest]

Less complication

[slow solstice]

real

real

[fierce elm]

no BM hunters

[slow solstice]

real

[wheat jay]

like bro

[lavish quest]

No mage pedos

[wheat jay]

out of like 7 or 8 i ended #1 3 times

its mad fun man

[rancid granite]

wish they'd port this to SWITCH

[wheat jay]

POSITIONING MATTERS THERE MORE THAN IN ARENA MAN

wtf xD

[slow solstice]

me when my first fe was fates

i played like 1 chapter of lunatic awakening and that was it

maybe 2

[rancid granite]

fates was A+ too

[urban skiff]

I don't understand this. Is one of the hits guaranteed? The text sounds sort of like it

[slow solstice]

yeah assuming both are 100% hits

[fierce elm]

200%

[slow solstice]

so crit no crit

crit crit

no crit crit

no crit no crit

what are the odds

🙂

[urban skiff]

it sounds like it's guaranteed one will be a crit, no?

so it's first hit a crit, second hit 50% chance of crit or no crit

So it's just 100% + 50%, right?

[slow solstice]

surely

i think one is 100% crit

[urban skiff]

and that's why I'm a bit confused about the question

[chilly pivot]

plunder so delay

[slow solstice]

and other is 50%

[urban skiff]

so I guess probability is 50%, right?

is that fire emblem?

help, i don't undertand this skillcapped video at all

Does it mean I don't stormstrike hard enough?

this is a hammer icon, right??

[slow solstice]

yeah

[pastel swan]

Lmao

[wheat jay]

bro its yellow

means you gotta go super saiyan on your stormstrikes

press ascendance harder or something

[chilly pivot]

why my abilitys is so delayed on plunder

[urban skiff]

how much delay?

[fierce elm]

Who knows

why is my electricity bill so high

[chilly pivot]

like much it feels

[pastel swan]

Kilowatt prices have gone up

[urban skiff]

There's a thing that came with patch 11.0 that introduced a small lag on input but only for some people and characters that nobody has yet to figure out why

[chilly pivot]

😦

[urban skiff]

kilowatt hours*

[pastel swan]

Says the guy who doesn’t know what counter strike totem is fuckin A

😉

[fierce elm]

lmao

rolled

68 bucks : (

[urban skiff]

counterstrike totem is what nerds use to distract me

the secret is to just hit them harder and it goes away on its own!

[urban skiff]

per month?

[fierce elm]

This month lmao

64 last month : (

[urban skiff]

Is your PC on a lot?

[fierce elm]

its the fucking CHRISTMAS TREE

I mean I am kidding around, I am not efficient about that shit

I woulda spent 68 bucks on something stupid instead

[urban skiff]

No it's not. You could have LEDs on for a full year and it won't use more power than a single washing machine cycle :S

[fierce elm]

ITS THE CHRISTMAS TREE

thats what I tell my GF

[urban skiff]

M8!!!!!

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

You want your pc on a lot

During heat periods the pc is 100% efficient

[pastel swan]

Add a $0 to mine and that’s what my last bill was minus a few bucks. I was livid

[fierce elm]

Get fucked

[urban skiff]

All that power turns into heat, the heat is what you want

[fierce elm]

I mean 68 aint that bad considering the week of surging prices we had

[urban skiff]

So your PC is a space heater with a built in entertainment system

[fierce elm]

Its usually around 55-57

which is w.e

If it gets to 80 bucks I might consider thinking about it

[urban skiff]

we might get a bill this quarter

Summer was good, sold a lot of electricity with solar panels.

I don't consider a big bill in the winter as anything more than 0 unless it exceeds what we got in during the summer.

[chilly pivot]

its like i spam autohit and then i cant use my spells in plunder

[urban skiff]

is it maybe intentional and a visual bug prevents you from seeing a GCD?

[fierce elm]

I noticed 0 delay when playing personally

[urban skiff]

Anyone have a list of major and minor defensive cds for all specs?

[fierce elm]

the fuck

[pastel swan]

Lmaooo

He’s joking right

[fierce elm]

Zercher I have seen your build, you dont care about defensives

[pastel swan]

#pvp message

[urban skiff]

Huh

[urban skiff]

I'm trying a new thing

and and might give like 3% shits instead of 2%

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

Figure if I can find out how to enable the defensives on nameplate in betterblizzplates i'm like halfway towards 1500 rating!

But I just really want to dispel alter time more often

https://youtu.be/bzJDimvPW1Y

Unironically what it's like to meet another enh shaman in blitz

[urban skiff]

oh shit yeah

I forgot

to tell you

If I spec out of wolves I can pick up peewave and lava lash with my build

[rancid granite]

i just learned recently solaire is in stormwind and you can get a bonfire from him :b

[urban skiff]

Idk how but when i tested it on dummy i went from proccing 1.2m to 1.5m dummy hits to 2.8m and I have NO Idea why it worked first time and I can't replicate it

I mean, I say "can't replicate it" but really I mean I forgot about it and stopped testing after 3 goes

[urban skiff]

Soularre right?

soulare?

[rancid granite]

Soulare of Andorhal!

[urban skiff]

80% sure I already did it

or I was going to and then i forgot

[slow solstice]

why would you talent out of the pve opener

[urban skiff]

what's the point of doggos?

A little extra maelstrom during ascendance where you can't use all maelstrom even if you wanted to?

eeeeeeh

But can keep base doggos and no harm no foul

[slow solstice]

idk rhat shit does big dam

[urban skiff]

and just have to choose between peewave or lava lash

oooooo why does this look so good?

[fierce elm]

because its a sick set

[urban skiff]

imagine playing with 2x shaman, one the stormstrike build and one the lava lash and just slamming appropriate themed damage into people

[sharp meteor]

Buff execute by 10%

[fierce elm]

Just hit harder

[sharp meteor]

Ur in the kitchen but idk if ur cookin

[fierce elm]

Zercher is always in the kitchen

rarely serving

[urban skiff]

Poison is also cooked

fuck i wish they'd give ascendance the moonkin form treatment treatment and let me stay cool all the time

[sharp meteor]

Moonkins are bug dumb feathery nerds though

[elfin surge]

bro no way the vulpera main is going after moonkin looks

[sharp meteor]

🦉🔫🦊

[elfin surge]

[urban skiff]

wdym?

[sharp meteor]

🔫🦊

[elfin surge]

breh

[urban skiff]

vulpera rule the world

[sharp meteor]

Trueeee buff bag of tricks again

[urban skiff]

big slow

take it off the gcd

[elfin surge]

Orc or die

[urban skiff]

death > orc

[sharp meteor]

Perish gnome reroll

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-warcraft-for-the-alliance-warcraft-alliance-alliance-dance-gif-25197556

human chad gang rise up with me

[urban skiff]

Who in here talked about IP + bloodlust + sundering spam build for enh shaman?

I can't at all find anyone doing it on youtube, so I can see it in action

is it real or is it like a pve thing?

[dense herald]

this time of year its better to game

cuz its cooler

im still sweating in my room cuz of my pc tho xd

[urban skiff]

And the money you spend on electricity is saved on heat

[urban skiff]

what is this madness

lol

is disc good in 2v2?

[sour crag]

So.

This is truly gambling.

[fierce elm]

yes

[urban skiff]

is disc / enh functional?

[fierce elm]

wdym functional

[urban skiff]

Thinking wife might learn better in a 2v2 environment

[fierce elm]

you have no MS lmao

I mean it can probably function

[urban skiff]

Don't need MS when I can annoy people to death

[fierce elm]

but I wouldnt expect much

[sour crag]

After my last fiasco with the three rogues, I faced Affli Lock and a Brewmaster Monk, of all things. Ended up with 6 wins, all I did was training the monk and affli each.

[urban skiff]

good job. Just want to remind you I said this specific thing would happen 🙂

[sour crag]

Yeah but.. this is unreal.

The contrasts

[urban skiff]

throw the dice enough times and you win

You're under 1900 MMR so you're going to mostly be playing against players who are below the start average

[sour crag]

I also think I got lucky because the other DPS was frost mage, so it was an obvious choice.

True, the monk was 700

I guess he thought it was fun to try being a tank in pvp.

chonky as all hell, but he got down eventually

I just fear it'll be another flipflop in next q

[urban skiff]

you can't go down to 700 only up

So his mmr was on a downwards trajectory while he was eeking out a win here and there to raise CR

[urban skiff]

what is better for us then?

[fierce elm]

Warr/Disc lmao

[urban skiff]

got enh, war x2, fdk, feral, rogue

I know war is probs good but I think I'd be bored

[sour crag]

I wish I had a disc waifu for life.

[fierce elm]

Fdk

Feral

Rogue

[urban skiff]

World of Kitecraft is kind of numbing atm

[fierce elm]

Rogue is probably the best lmao

[copper fox]

Petless MM Hunter next patch

[urban skiff]

rogue is hands down my worst class though

[copper fox]

Do it

[urban skiff]

But I could learn with her

[sour crag]

I've actually pondered to try MM for next season's pvp, probably BGs.

But I dunno how good the class is now.

especially with the lonewolf thing

Come to think of it, I've not seen a single MM on arena yet, so I guess that says something.

[fierce elm]

I mean BM exists

[copper fox]

They’re all higher mmr

[urban skiff]

I think they stick to skirmish and all flavours of bgs

[copper fox]

The lower incels all went bm

Mm in bgb is nuts tho

[sour crag]

Yeah I kinda suspected MM is more of a BG specc than anything.

[urban skiff]

it's not easy having a young wife that heals

[copper fox]

A young wife is a wild statement

[urban skiff]

eeeh

it's a meme at this point

she just turned 30

But I'm turning 40 soon ish so

It used to be more true

[rancid granite]

plunderstorm feels like im vs a buncha cracked up kids it must be what fortnite feels like

[sour crag]

Like any Battle Royale is?

[rancid granite]

i mean yeah lmao

[sharp meteor]

so busy running around collecting piles of gold i forgot there were other people in the match

[urban skiff]

can't wait for duel to be gone so this nonsense can finally end

[sharp meteor]

idk id rather see sub than outlaw or assa

duel should've been pruned back in like sl when it was an issue

[urban skiff]

making me work way too hard at fucking 1500 mmr

now that I think about it, what is up with the weird MMR we start out at?

shuffle grows but 2v2 doesn't?

[rancid granite]

vulpera getting #1 that makes sense, but also lol 1 kill

you do get hella plunder easy though

[frank knoll]

Yeah MM is top dog in BGs
Most pure BG players I know are MMs with the other maining Boomy or Disc/Hpal

[sour crag]

What's the perks MMs get in BGs then?

[rancid granite]

range

[frank knoll]

They can exploit the mechanics of BGs especially large maps
Longer range than other ranged , can’t be interrupted
A million ways to get away if they get focused
Lots of single target and cleave

[copper fox]

Yea so

Range

[frank knoll]

Meanwhile in Arena they are more susceptible to getting tunneled and cant get an aimed shot off

[sour crag]

So basically snipers for real?

[copper fox]

Yes

[sour crag]

How strong is their single-target burst?

Like, one Sniper Shot and the healer goes ded?

[rancid granite]

think of warrior but with a bow

[sour crag]

Sounds like my kind of lane, then.

I like shooting gun

dakkadakka

[copper fox]

Is dakkadakka a gun noise

[frank knoll]

Yeah and rapid fire does like 3-4 mil damage in one button to clothies

MM chews up mage

[sour crag]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

https://tenor.com/view/more-dakka-warhammer40k-ork-orks-dakka-gif-15898836

[tribal holly]

@fierce elm yo wtf how can you let them talk about hunters i thought this was the warrior discord

[fierce elm]

oh yeah mb boss

[tribal holly]

[green wharf]

fuck mm next season

blizz kill the dog and gave a pigeon

and if it stay like in beta it will be shaite

[exotic forge]

We don't talk hunters here

You will be executed on sight

[green wharf]

but here its the shaman discord

we can talk about hunter

[exotic forge]

[tribal holly]

[exotic forge]

[hot solstice]

how can disconnected dude press bladestorm and wall on low hp?

[copper fox]

Probably pressed before he DCd

And it lagged

[green wharf]

So the nerfs in rage regen for prot was to improve their rage economy

but this is gucci, thane prot pvp is back on the menu

[copper fox]

Kennie is 2400 it’s never been off the menu

[green wharf]

it was nerfed in the ptr

buuut, mostly colossus

Thane is still the goat

[sharp meteor]

It has been pretty good in tww so far.

[copper fox]

Dude who’s idea was it to say ret pally can have 2 action bars and it’s done for the xpac

That’s wild

There’s no buttons

[rancid granite]

LOL

[sharp meteor]

ret is the training wheels spec

its like bm hunter if you're too dumb to manage a pet

[copper fox]

Literally insane

I just made a pally to play holy and set up ret for fun

There’s nothing to press

[rancid granite]

all the buttons went to holy

[green wharf]

ret have like a 45 cd burst when other classes ahve 2m

i was doing one bg once, and one got angry at me for some reaon, stick to me the whole fight

he used that ashbringer power and hp went from 100 to 30

like wtf

holy fuck

[frank knoll]

Any warlock changes?

Destro needs buffs

[rancid granite]

are these updated or you just getting to the old patch notes lol

[pastel swan]

Ret burst isn’t that crazy

It’s the hammer of light that gets you. And if they happen to have a free proc or if they line it up, they can hit you for 4-5 mil in 2 globals but that’s pretty rare

I’d be more worried about my ele doing over 7 mil damage in 1.1 seconds

[green wharf]

it is the ptr update

[green wharf]

seems pretty crazy to me

[pastel swan]

Nah and you can counter it if you know what wake of ashes looks like

Although I think they’re fixing it to where you won’t have long before the hamma drops

Lots of other specs have way better burst than ret. I’m not saying it’s bad but it’s not like omg I just got one shot in 0.6 seconds

I wanna say you can disarm it too and it’ll mess them up

that was aids for me. i mean ig i have the MS. but getting railed on by all of them was not fun LMAO

[ebon shale]

Most fun lobby as a war

I only enjoy that more on blood dk

[green wharf]

probs for getting 4

[pastel swan]

If it weren’t for the devoker maybe. Only thing that could’ve made it worse is maybe a frost mage

For fun

[urban skiff]

That's how i felt when i tried to set up action bars on my fdk

[fierce elm]

Its gonna disable a good amount of damage

At least for the first burst

[true tiger]

rets are very solid and very good spex

and their burst is also good

also their duel potential is insane

some rets just delete me during hoj

[north thicket]

Hmm maybe a noob question: how exactly is disarm functioning against rets nowadays? Can't disarm the judg, verdict and Templar's hammer right?

Tbh I don't pick Disarm vs rets, dhs, enh, surv; maybe against mm but mostly against warris, rogs and dks. Unsure about the exact benefits against the former, it comes with the opportunity cost of a 3d pvp talent - it should be baseline given that most classes but rogs have a better version of it!!!
Ferals and monks out of question as far as I know.

[fierce elm]

Those do disarm

Judge and Hammer of wrath go through

but verdict, HoL are on disarm

[north thicket]

Aha got it! What about dh enh and surv? Any significant benefits disarming these?

[north thicket]

Kennie, would you please write up a prot SS and Blitz guide when season 2 hits? These prot buffs are juicy and it has to be done!

[fierce elm]

Enhance yes

[true tiger]

disarming enh takes out his 80% dmg

esp if u do it during ascens

[copper fox]

Kennie write me a prot guide immediately. Shield slam buff demands it

[valid ermine]

when youre in a lobby full of casters it really isnt fun, especially if theres two mages

[sour crag]

I recently had a match against BM and Arcane Mage

I suspect Arcane is whom I should train rather.

Okay, I think I just faced the most stupid match ever

Holy Paladin being afk for 4 rounds, essentially throwing every round to the other team. .-.

I got 4+ rating for that but man..

[fierce elm]

yeah report and move on

[elfin surge]

you guys and your yolo yuffles

[lavish quest]

Did a few yolo yufflesthis morning

I guess it's meta for healers to not press cds again

[pastel swan]

Ya I wanna say they can’t press hammer of light or crusade strike if they’re playing that

[pastel swan]

Ya as far as the popular spec, the only time they’re doing big damage is during wake of ashes/crusade, when they reach 50 stacks of lights deliverance (free hammer of light), and aura of reckoning (free hammer of light when your team gets hit by 100 critical strikes). They’re moving aura of reckoning tho

[copper fox]

Ret burst is high

[pastel swan]

Ya that’s a lot of blocks LMAO. I’ve rly been liking spear with shattering throw. Only way I can kill mages

[fierce elm]

so like, every 20s they do big huge damage lmao

[sterile moth]

I’ll try that Jeb

[fierce elm]

Not counting Reckoning or Lights deliverance

or random crusade procs

[rancid granite]

https://youtu.be/URMsk8cCfI4?si=PPJRK1zj3LFcBYXm

for @urban skiff and @sour crag

fury 💪

[sour crag]

Thanks for sharing, but haven't we already concluded that Fury is the way to go?

I don't see what this is adding to

[elfin surge]

[sour crag]

Also, I'm not gonna spend money.

[fierce elm]

Money on what

[sour crag]

Skill Capped

If the first two minutes of pvp videos is about "SPEND MONEY ON ME AND YOU WILL GET THE BEST GUIDES", I ain't clicking.

[fierce elm]

kek

Isnt every video basically an ad on every youtube channel?

They gotta make the money big man

[sour crag]

Point being, I don' see myself needing to spend money to gain rating. Keep pressing q, as you say

Granted, that video shows the current meta, so it's at least useful info

What surprised me the most is the mentioning of Demolocks

Never faced them yet

[rancid granite]

ok but you're missing the point of the video just like in-game

enjoy it and have a laugh and have fun

[sour crag]

Well I did ask why you shared the vid, thanks anyway

[urban skiff]

That's all of their videos. Don't worry about it, the YouTube ones are free and fine

[urban skiff]

Can't watch yet. Is it saying how much easier enh is than fury?

[pastel swan]

Demo lock is a higher skill cap class so it’s not played a ton. It’s the only lock spec with a mortal strike. Has tons of annoying pets and stuns. Definitely wouldn’t recommend SkillCapped right now bc they haven’t updated their guides. It’s aggravating

[deft ridge]

hammer of light cant be disarmed

[pastel swan]

U sure? I’m pretty sure I’ve been disarmed in it. Maybe I was locked out of holy lmao

[sour crag]

It doesn't mention Enh at all, just Fury and Retri as the top melee to climb

[pastel swan]

Enhance is a noob stomper for sure. I bet enhance is one of the easier specs to climb to 1800

[deft ridge]

nope, cause i thought so too, but tested it just a day ago with a buddy, cant be reflected, can't be grounded AND could cast while disarmed. make it make sense

[pastel swan]

But fury overall is in a much better place

Having a 36% MS with bladestorm doing insane damage and having CDR on bladestorm and recklessness is pretty ridiculous

[elfin surge]

👍

[fierce elm]

I swear to GOD blizzard

[fickle forge]

Who is responsible for this vile thing

[lavish quest]

It's just a recolor nerd

There's several of them

[fickle forge]

Who is responsible

[lavish quest]

Blah blah blah some BFA developer blah blah blah

[green anchor]

more cut content

[green wharf]

thank god blizzard release plunderstorm at the end of the season

pvp wasnt dead enough

lets shot in the back of the head instead

[true tiger]

is it me or skillcapped sounds like big CAP

[green wharf]

[true tiger]

whats that

blitz?

[green wharf]

no, normal bgs

blitz dont find games

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm disc + war, do i play fury or arms?

[fierce elm]

Fury lmao

arms sucks

[pastel swan]

They’ve been slacking this season. A lot of guides/rotations are trash bc of patches. But there’s also some good info on there. They do get some R1’s to do commentaries and VODs which can be worth the money. But also u can stream twitch and get a lot of the same questions answered. I personally like their UI setup bc im shit at weakauras and whatnot

And u get UI support

[fickle forge]

@boreal veldt Decent colossus MS

[pastel swan]

For $10 a month or whatever it is, it’s not a bad deal for beginners

[urban skiff]

would you make any specific changes to hyper optimize for 2v2? for example all mastery instead of most mastery?

[wheat jay]

its a swimming underwater mount

[fierce elm]

Idk man

[wheat jay]

fuck you expecting

[fierce elm]

I just step into arena and do w.e

[urban skiff]

Already hit my goals so idgaf about messing up my build anymore

[fierce elm]

then experiment lmao

[fickle forge]

Details be messing

3.7M MS is doable

[fierce elm]

Karg is hitting critters in arena

[rancid granite]

dang whats your mast karanze

[urban skiff]

I already experimented with full haste smf thane

[fickle forge]

Farming the arena spiders

[urban skiff]

I think i'm ok for now

[fickle forge]

20%

[pastel swan]

Is this in arena?

[rancid granite]

not even much mast nice

[fierce elm]

Sus screenshot tbh

[fickle forge]

On a mage

[pastel swan]

Hmmmm

[fickle forge]

Every buff possible aligned

x2 EP, x2 OP and x2 tier set with insignia + demo debuff

[rancid granite]

and to think MS buff next patch too

[frank knoll]

I feel like I’m the only person who doesn’t give a shit about plunderstorm
Run around collecting gold for a bunch in of pirate transmog and mounts? That’s it right?

[limber relic]

shits boring af

[green wharf]

i dont give either

i was being sarcastic

blizz releasing 40 classic servers

34 different modes

no wonder retail have no players anymore

[limber relic]

^

plunder, hc, classic, classic cata. what did i miss

[fierce elm]

And that is okay lmao

[urban skiff]

I'm hoping i can make it fun by playing with my kid

[urban skiff]

colossus arms is all about not using demolish

people just hitting demolish on cd and wondering why they aren't having a great time

which MHWilds do I buy?

[fickle forge]

This is cap though

[urban skiff]

i can't tell if that's a good or bad

I'm almost 40

[fickle forge]

Means ain't true

[urban skiff]

It's art

[fierce elm]

premium DELUXE

[urban skiff]

it's not meant to be true

It's meant to elicit an emotional response that makes you reflect on the state of being human

[copper fox]

Era

[urban skiff]

remix

broooo what is this

oooh you need two ranks of hot hands

[rancid granite]

it's definitely a fun mode if you duo with a fran, but for solo try harding meh

[sour crag]

Come on videogame, don't make me keep waiting whilse I still have the courage to Q ;_;

[green wharf]

everyone is on plunderstorm now

[sour crag]

this better not slow down the remainder of the season

[green wharf]

It already is slowing down

[sharp meteor]

lol lmao

honestly tho first plunderstorm took a while to get all the rewards

this time its like 1-2 days

so most people probs nearly done by now

[sour crag]

Oh it just poppe up, lets goooaaaand it's Lordaeron 💀

[dense herald]

ima start tweaking

[sharp meteor]

get urge to shuff

40 minutes later

have lost will to shuff

[urban skiff]

literally why i struggle to queue shuffle

and I only have 10 minute queues

[sharp meteor]

also q pop this lobby no warrs except me weird

[sour crag]

I feel sorry for that Ele sham I killed four times.

Surrounded in a melee-only match

[lavish quest]

This morning for NA the queues were 10-30 min, but the lobbies were trash

[sour crag]

At least I'm glad I 100% the last Plunderstorm. This one feels a lot more chill

I am not surprised if people queue arena going "Huh, it's past the Average waiting time, guess I'll just plunderstorm instead", and then 999 other players do the same.

[lavish quest]

It's less fun tho

Imo

[dense herald]

30min avg wait time

kek

[sharp meteor]

literal only way to lose round is for rogue to schizo kite/dot instead of standing still and doing dmg to one target

spends the whole round trying to multidot/kite and throws

[boreal veldt]

Thats a healthy crit, MS also feels really nice in ptr as Col

[rancid granite]

were you able to get full tier/crafted items for the right stats too in ptr?

im not sure how much of a jump in stats there are but it makes me curious cause i cant imagine boosting haste up anymore than it is now

so its just free mast/crit

[green wharf]

40m q for dumb teams, damn blizzard and this plunderstorm

[lavish quest]

I'd like to imagine 1800 is still insta queues

[green wharf]

dude

[lavish quest]

Haven't been there since week 2 so dunno

[boreal veldt]

i'd probably boost vers over mast and crit, warrior still suffers from the same issues as live, just hard to survive

[green wharf]

i tried in a unraked class

on a 1600, 1700 1800 and 1960

its 40m in all of then

[rancid granite]

healer gonna be, what, 2min q's still?

aint plunderstorm its healers on strike

[green wharf]

before it was 30

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-hamster-vimen-scared-traumatized-gif-23053438

[green wharf]

i dont understand what healers cry for so much in pvp, they dont die

[rancid granite]

same lol

in ss it's just 1v1 too so idk

wish warrior had a heal spec id heal a lot more

need everyone to just Q healer, idk, 1 out of 5 games

for the good of the realm

[green wharf]

[copper fox]

Imagine a healing spec where you just non stop melee and everyone infinitely gets healed

Oh wait

[rancid granite]

thats what made holy pal fun lol

when their wings? ability; you attacks aoe heal

[copper fox]

I was memeing about fistweaver cancer

[rancid granite]

o i didnt know they did that lol

[urban skiff]

is murlokio worse today for anyone else or is it just me?

[dense herald]

when do i play thane

[sharp meteor]

whenever enemy clump

and/or u dont carea about breaking cc

[dense herald]

cuz rn i play thane even when i dont cleave

[hot solstice]

love this game, guess I am just that bad to lose 300 points in 2 days

[dense herald]

idk still feels like more dmg

[sharp meteor]

ya i sometimes play thane single target still feels nice

slayer usually feelin a bit more lethal tho

[dense herald]

man i hate these fkin

[rancid granite]

i went from ~2380 to stuck back 2100 i know the feel; at least you hit 2400+ lol

[dense herald]

healers

the mage said the healer was awful

and the healer threw the game away

i lost rating

[green wharf]

one disconect and my spec is bricked

cant climb 1500-1600 hell anymore

[sharp meteor]

u lose cr but not mmr for dc

only mmr for losses played

[green wharf]

yeah, but when you dc, you get to play with dcers/quiters

a bunch of morons/trolls

MM i got 1800 easily

BM is this shaite

[chilly pivot]

any addon or wa that shows me what target my party members have on?

[sharp meteor]

honestly the most annoying thing ive found with low mmr shuff is like

u win 2 somebody else alt f4s out u get 20 cr

then sit another 30 min q

[elfin surge]

theres no way

im actually starting to hate thane

[sharp meteor]

Hey. 😁

[elfin surge]

damage feels like details pad

[sharp meteor]

Nah it's just like less lethal ig

[elfin surge]

you mean its just worse

lol

[sharp meteor]

I mean if the game is getting extended it can be alright if you're getting any cleave value and not breaking cc

if you're winning or losing game no point

maybe it's comparable idk

[elfin surge]

I only play thane against specific melee cleaves

otherwise slayer

[sharp meteor]

that's kind of what i thought but like

[rancid granite]

charge/leap cd reduction always gonna be op in comparison

[sharp meteor]

hmm also wasnt sure about reckless abandon

[elfin surge]

even then slayer feels good into some cleaves like ret war who dont stack as much

[sharp meteor]

was playing slayer into retwarr so mage cc wasnt spam breaking

that's a matchup where as like turby and warr mage it feels like

they usually out pve you, even if you double their dmg as thane u lose

and gotta get hexes or polys

so slayer it is

but yeah also torn on reckless abandon cos that with powerful enrage and like 12% haste results in some giant meaty swings

[elfin surge]

Yeah I dont really play powerful much

A lot of games I play thane I would double everyones damage but never kill

[sharp meteor]

yer sometimes that's how it be

[elfin surge]

I havent played it as powerful or RA

[sharp meteor]

RA is awk cos if they have like a hard reliable out to ur fixed cd reck it feels bad

whereas AM u get reck again and again

[elfin surge]

Idk I rarely find myself wishing i was thane into most matchups

[sharp meteor]

but yeah played powerful in bgs cos just thought big hits would be funny with dw/saltwater and has felt generally? pretty good into most stuff

been trying slayer more cos playing with mages who im afraid might slur me for breaking cc

[sharp meteor]

i feel like games usually close out one way or naother before thane pad rly matters

like i play thane into retwarrfw i do 80% more dmg than anybody else still lose

cos 3 mins in somebody just gets crushed in a go

[elfin surge]

Like I said I only play thane into specific melee cleaves

i dont get using it against single target

[sharp meteor]

kind of comfort ig cos played so much more than than slayer

probs almost always worse

but usually played it cos i thought a team would stack more

in general slayer probs the play with like thane into specific matchups and win cons that suit

[urban skiff]

how much haste is comfortable for fury?

[sharp meteor]

umm i like 15% or so

[green wharf]

only way to win, had to assault seven bases LOL

[fierce elm]

500% haste

[urban skiff]

I feel like not much has changed from DF where we stacked mastery entirely

[dense herald]

@elfin surge r u running elemental or ascendance

[green wharf]

5-15%

depending how you roll

[elfin surge]

I've been wanting to go full mastery and get my haste from frenzied enrage

[green wharf]

i like to keept 12~~14

[sharp meteor]

5% haste powerful enrage thane

[urban skiff]

that's what i want as well

[sharp meteor]

gonna be like playin with a keyboard covered in peanut butter

[true tiger]

@urban skiff that enha spek slapss man wtf

[dense herald]

thats what iplay is it bad

[sharp meteor]

idk probably want more haste but that's kind of how i been playin

[dense herald]

i have 9% kekw

[urban skiff]

called it

[elfin surge]

If you consider powerful enrage basically as mastery and frenzied as haste which could you technically get more out of for gear? I feel like mastery is easier to stack than haste.

[urban skiff]

it's the goat

[elfin surge]

Worded that weird but if anyone understood

lol

[sharp meteor]

hasties also move speed which is nice

[urban skiff]

that's how I view it

[elfin surge]

I would like to see stats of @sharp meteor during enrage with powerful with 15% haste from gear vs full mastery geared and 15% haste from frenzie enrage

[urban skiff]

I also don't think they provide the same amount when converted to ratings but I've been too lazy to spend the 3 minutes mathing out which one provides the highest total stats

it's 15% haste vs 15% mastery

let me math

[elfin surge]

I think mastery is easier to stack

[green wharf]

i think i had 3 matches with the same people in both sides, lol

[hot solstice]

there is actualy interesting thing with haste cause if for example u have 30% haste+15% frenzy u actualy get more than 45% haste in the end

[urban skiff]

so frenzied is equivalent to 9898,9 haste rating
powerful is equivalent to 7497,3 mastery rating

[sharp meteor]

10k haste/mastery is like 15% haste and 20% dmg

[hot solstice]

and I am not talking about frenzy stacks

[elfin surge]

so mastery stacking on gear and frenzied is better

[urban skiff]

BUT

read powerful carefully

[elfin surge]

what about it

[urban skiff]

is it mastery or is it not mastery

[elfin surge]

Basically 15% mastery

[urban skiff]

If blizzard, and we trust blizzard to get this wrong, coded this as a separate thing

it might actually be multiplicative instead of additive

[slow solstice]

thats basically 15% mastery

[urban skiff]

on the surface yes. I'm going to dig a bit

[elfin surge]

Ya powerful is out ggs

[sharp meteor]

drawback with haste is that sometimes it just doesn't contribute much

if you only get a few globals before breaking contact

haste may not add

much of anything

[urban skiff]

use frenzied to bring haste to comfort, stack mastery

[sharp meteor]

butg yeah frenzied higher ball of stat value 😁

[urban skiff]

if you find 5% haste comfortable then grab powerful

[sharp meteor]

not to mention move speed which is nice

[urban skiff]

Spoiler alert, i might be the 5% haste person

[elfin surge]

the move speed is really nice

I've been frenzied enrage always

[sharp meteor]

warr is entirely reliant on uptime so

[urban skiff]

add in the extra movement speed we get in 11.1 too, gonna be moving at ridiculous speeds

[elfin surge]

not a fan of powerful it just feels too slow

[sharp meteor]

keeping pace with the ret with freedom or the hunter with masters call

every other game is hpal

is nice

[elfin surge]

im team frenzy

[urban skiff]

but things are weird when you look at top fury warriors all stacking haste

which brings me back to my question: What changed? Why are we in favour of haste all of a sudden when DF was all about mastery stacking and vers stacking?

[sharp meteor]

idk feels like it's still mastery vers stack

esp vers cos fury squishiest spec in the game for how much it has to be in the middle of the enemy team

[urban skiff]

seems like kind of low vers to me

[green wharf]

more haste means more bonking

more slayer strike proc

more lightining strike proc

[rancid granite]

feels like no top pvper upgrades their ilvl i swear

[sharp meteor]

most pvpmans dont pve

[urban skiff]

wdym?

[sharp meteor]

or at least not on their q chars

[urban skiff]

I always kept completely separate sets for pvp and pve

[sharp meteor]

like im 640 or something and use half pve gear in pvp cos it looks pretty

[rancid granite]

you get the tokens from pvp though similar gear i have a lot more stats lol

[green wharf]

i was able to win one game by cheesing going to enemy base in gilneas and not defending LH

[urban skiff]

only really during df near end where pve fury wanted vers/mastery i'd see some overlap

[green wharf]

empty castle strategy working in wow

[rancid granite]

i always upgrade pvp gear to max though

[green wharf]

i mean, it only worthy to do world questing

[sharp meteor]

Missing SL when being duelist/elite gave u good gear in pve

so u could smash the skulls of noobs

[urban skiff]

I assume because you don't have pve gear to spend the valour stones on?

[rancid granite]

wquesting with wmode on 💪 stay ready dont got to get ready

well my point was the murlok stats are a tiny bit misleading and it always seemed like no one on murlok upgrades their pvp gear =p

[urban skiff]

I only look at proportions tbh

It's only honor gear that doesn't scale linearly between base and pvp form

meaning a 100% increase doesn't double both sets of secondary stats on honor gear

[rancid granite]

i generally just look at the top 5 / top 10 and go from there

ic ic

[urban skiff]

curreny one i'm looking at is doing 50% vers, 25% mastery 25% haste

ratings distribution, not actual stats

https://youtu.be/pRySnlFQJww

This guy showing off like he invented deathwish stacking

Am I the only one who thinks they should make fury into a ranged spec?

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[urban skiff]

Slap a 2h melee weapon in one hand, a crossbow in offhand. Call it a space marine and let it attack mid range or melee range interchangeably

[sharp meteor]

🚫

[urban skiff]

Just because it sounds fun

keep the rotation and the axe is on a chain so you just swing it at them from range

[rancid granite]

thats just outlaw rogue with extra steps

[green wharf]

a.i image alert

[urban skiff]

it's missing the full plate armor and the 2h and the crossbow being out all the time

[rancid granite]

not toooo far off still

[craggy geyser]

Ranged Warrior? wtf

[urban skiff]

sure

no different from enh shaman

are we doing good?

I've ventured into 2v2 with a wife who has never healed before

[true tiger]

is S2 time known?

[fierce elm]

tomorrow

[true tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/1617blues-you-weird-nervous-laugh-suffering-gif-22969165

[copper fox]

I’m playing a dragon warrior next season and no one can stop me

[green wharf]

you mean you are playing the giraffe-folk?

[lavish quest]

Scaley

[copper fox]

Yes

[hot solstice]

except roots?

[copper fox]

Gnomes are for bums

My troll is like 2500 and my HM Tauren is almost 27 lol

[urban skiff]

if you have to play gnome, play robo gnome to assert dominance

[copper fox]

Agreed

[fickle forge]

I really want Blizz to nerf fury

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1223649170007523500/1329526305263194328/image.png?ex=678aa95c&is=678957dc&hm=1a9b7810d06dbf0259bf388ad7dc853eac00a3e72458e91c3b9135dc5009b788&

[hot solstice]

basicaly 1 disintegrate

[fickle forge]

Non-crit Rampage hitting for my crit MS

😴

[urban skiff]

play enh instead

[fickle forge]

I'd rather play Plunderstorm than 2s

[urban skiff]

Gotta give the wife a safe place to practice healing, she hasn't done it before

[fickle forge]

I just wanna play arms bro, but Blizz says no

[urban skiff]

But enh is more fun

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/rebecca-jack-black-ill-be-waiting-half-stance-funny-gif-17917419

You played 2s with me

And you refuse plunder

You gotta play plunder to make that statement true

Checkmate

[urban skiff]

Is there a way to targetlast friendly target or is it only last target regardless of what it was?

[green wharf]

what

[fickle forge]

Playing 2s with you is what put it below Plunder

Gottem

[wheat jay]

We won most

Playing hpala dh lol

[fickle forge]

Mostly because of Hpala

[wheat jay]

Mostly because I play dh like an actual god

XxxÌllîdäñgôdx̌x̌x̌

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-plan-coping-kid-the-kid-is-coping-gif-26280717

[wheat jay]

With James I won every game except into bm and sub

Cuz sub 100-0 me through blur xD

And bm is just bm

[urban skiff]

Why is PI on top of enh cooldowns so much fun?

[slow solstice]

because it always aligns with pi

and you are the 2nd best pi class

[north thicket]

Left: Powerful Enrage; Right: Frenzied Enrage
(don't mind the other stats, this is my Arms haste gear + some pve)

Point is, Frenzied Enrage 'activates', Powerful Enrage does not?!!!

[slow solstice]

it activates as a buff

or an aurs

vs frenzied just giving 15% haste

[north thicket]

Hmm I don't see it on my buff bars

[fickle forge]

I don't get what bro asks

It alters your Enrage tooltip

[north thicket]

Why is the Mastery bonus from Powerful Enrage not visible on the stats dashboard but Frenzied Enrage Haste bonus is?

[fickle forge]

It's not a mastery buff

[north thicket]

Ok this is what you see on the Enrage tooltip with Powerful Enrage

[fickle forge]

It's a flat damage buff

[north thicket]

All right yes, you are right

[fickle forge]

15% flat dam

[north thicket]

Got it

It's just equal to 15% Mastery if the Mastery is not overloaded and gets DRed

So it makes sense to pick it up after you hit the DR treshold for Mastery maybe

I wonder if the benefit of +1sec on Enrage is noticeable at all

[fickle forge]

I'd just always go 15% flat dam

[slow solstice]

i think frenzied is better if you are playing am but its pref

[north thicket]

Yeah, I have always been Frenzied + Mastery from gear (as everyone else) and it feels good

Wait, Karanze you always opt for Powerful Enrage?

[urban skiff]

did we do good? someone please tell me we did good

[fickle forge]

I do

[slow solstice]

i dont get it

[urban skiff]

playing with my wife and she's never healed before

also the last time she played was in BFA

So kind of proud that we beat a 1950+ mmr team with our ass backward build

a mirror no less

[wheat jay]

Always powerful enrage in pvp

[slow solstice]

uh oh

[wheat jay]

Big hit > fast hit

Unless youre enh i guess lol

[slow solstice]

i was just thinking am for more cdr

[wheat jay]

Then you do 1000 small hits

Am is for pussies

Reckless abandon for chads with big schlongs

[slow solstice]

so its time to play ra

holy

[urban skiff]

wait

fuck

[wheat jay]

Ngl i have no idea i just like RA

[urban skiff]

we're back to it being multiplicative instead of additive

that's a messed up tooltip

[slow solstice]

its just an aura buff

leave it alone

[north thicket]

did you test if it's multiplicative?

[slow solstice]

it says it is

huh

[urban skiff]

it doesn't say that it's multiplicative or additive. The way it's worded makes me think multiplicative.

[north thicket]

aha I think so too

[urban skiff]

It would explain why there's a 2k rating disparity between powerful and frenzied

[north thicket]

indeed you are right

[urban skiff]

(but also because they weigh the secondary effects differently)

[fickle forge]

I mean it should be multi, like all separate damage buffs are

[north thicket]

we are getting close to DR on stats (at least Fury without 4pc) > more haste/mastery budget from gear > powerful enrage might be ahead in s2

[urban skiff]

have to DR both vers and mastery before we can say "close to DR" tbh

[urban skiff]

no, I'm wrong

It's additive

It has to be when it says "an additional 15%"

I think I found a way to test it but I'm already heading to bed

Have to hit a mastery number that is a perfect x.00%

[fickle forge]

Why

[urban skiff]

It should make the enrage tooltip show a clean .00% number too or it would have a decimal if powerful is multiplicative

It's not perfect, since it assumes that the tooltip is without fault

[north thicket]

it shows it as a separate tooltip

I also found a way to test it

[fickle forge]

I'm pretty sure you get +15% dmg on top of whatever you would do normally

[north thicket]

Ask Archi in the Fury channel or ask a Gamemaster

[fickle forge]

Either way, just go powerful cause stronger

[urban skiff]

frenzied is equivalent to 9898,9 haste rating
powerful is equivalent to 7497,3 mastery rating

as long as you aren't dumping haste you're getting 2400 more rating from going frenzied and using the extra stat budget on mastery

If you go 5% haste and want more enrage damage then powerful is the choice

[slow solstice]

@urban skiff

[urban skiff]

Yeah I saw

that complicates matters a little and then not at all

[slow solstice]

ive always just read it as 15% mastery during enrage but not shown on stats

or as a buff

[sharp meteor]

me like big slow number not small faster number

not know which good just what feel good

[urban skiff]

looks like shaman getting into a weird spot

[green wharf]

i already fucking hate these tier set bonus

[north thicket]

If Power Enrage's bonus of 1sec is buffed to 2sec in S2 it could already be a gamebreaker

[green wharf]

everything is RNG based, a proc fiesta

[north thicket]

Enh feels like a proc fiesta indeed, don't like it much myself but that's a subjective take of a noob

If it wasn't so proc overloaded I would definitely play and enjoy it, as I did before

Warriors feels about right on the RNG level, Sudden Death and that's it more or less

[boreal veldt]

arms' 4set is so troll lmfao it's borderline useless

[north thicket]

Magnusz has been testing it, he likes it if I understood correctly

Lots of Overpowers right?

[boreal veldt]

Yea, op buff plus fast recharge

[slow solstice]

the problem is it can remove your mp buffs

[boreal veldt]

and the op buff from 4set is so short you might get one off but it won't change up the rotation imo

[fickle forge]

Blizzard continuing to shaft arms, what's new

[wheat jay]

Hunter got more changes

Noone knows how to even interpret them cuz all specs are a mess xD

[fickle forge]

I mean the game is impossibly awfully designed right now Imo

Everything is AoE and you spam CC like it's your rotation

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz everyone has WAY too much cc

So they made it short duration to not sit in it 24/7

[copper fox]

Too much cc and too much mobility

[wheat jay]

Mobility too, ye

[boreal veldt]

That ptr blue post was snapped together in a jiffy before the new year

[wheat jay]

Warr used to be one stun one fear, one charge, one leap

Done

Now it's two stuns and two charges on shorter cd

Still cant catch anything

Hunter had stun, trap, root, done

Then they added chimera silence

Then disarm

Then another root

Then another stun

Then scatter

Like, why?

[copper fox]

Binding is so toxic

Unnecessary ability

On a hunter

[wheat jay]

Ye, same with scatter

[north thicket]

Shocking they also got a knockback, along with mage (who also doesn't need it!)]

[wheat jay]

Removing those two abilities wouldnt change anything about the class lol

[wheat jay]

Oh right

Like, knockback im fine with for the most part

Cuz it's long cd

And its main use used to be knocking healers from los or platform, which was fine

[copper fox]

I like the pacing of the game rn but just hate all the utility shit like you’re saying

Pacing, damage wise

[green wharf]

only survival ahve a disarm no

[wheat jay]

Ye

[north thicket]

Pacing outside CDs is fine but cooldowns feel OP to me, being deleted in ~2 gcds by 2 other players even with 25% vers is not okay. Make it ~3+ pls.

That said, Warri's CDs are right on point - they feel powerful but not cheap Convoke SL-style oneshots apart from Demo lucky crits maybe.

Imagine being a totally new WoW player who wants to enter PvP

You go into random battegrounds, you get run over by some pathetic griefing premades

You go into arena skirmish, you get deleted in 3 sec

Doesn't even have a chance to do anything, a chance to learn how to play

^I am in about this situation with non-Warri alts

[copper fox]

Brother pacing inside of CDs has always been that way

As it should be

That’s when you trade your def

That’s the game

Always has been

Random bgs and skirms are the worst form of pvp feedback

[north thicket]

Yeah but you have to start from somewhere

[copper fox]

Yea you can easily start there

[north thicket]

I don't even know what half of my abilities on my DK alt

[copper fox]

You’re supposed to read your abilities and sit on a dummy to learn

Rotation etc

[north thicket]

Surely, I read them

But then you have to practice these in real situations

[copper fox]

If you read your abilities and know your damage rotation you’re fine. If you’re struggling to play the game after that, assuming gear is equivalent, it’s just skill based

[north thicket]

0 skill as DK :)))

Yeah you are right but again how do you even learn

Random battlegrounds used to be the kindergarten, now these are unplayable

[copper fox]

What exactly are you trying to learn though.
Melee is melee. Positioning etc. all you need to know is your damage rotation and read your buttons

[sharp meteor]

only grip and chains matter

[copper fox]

Other than that there’s no learning really

[sharp meteor]

made another dk alt its already unplayable

[copper fox]

If you know how to move and position a warrior you know how to move and position a dk

Grip = charge

Chains = hamstring

This game is a script

[sharp meteor]

grip and chains best moves in the game aside from kidney

[copper fox]

Class wise

Agreed

[sharp meteor]

and yeah every class just has a similar button

most classes similar enough to have like matching keybinds

to a degree

defensive here cc there slow on this

[copper fox]

Pretty much

Every class I have basically has similar binds. It changes a bit once you have a healer -> melee. But melee to melee is super easy

[wheat jay]

Shuffle

That's where you learn

3s and 2s if you got premades

Thats the best way and the fastest way to learn

[north thicket]

Got it, thanks

[sour crag]

Arcane or Frost, who do I train whe nfacing both, and why can I never catch any of them due to their blinking?

[wheat jay]

Assuming you got rotation down

[sour crag]

not to mention their constant freezing

[wheat jay]

You cry

[sour crag]

Rampage rampage rampage, I know

doesn't matter if I can't reach them

[wheat jay]

Hit whatever is close

If none, pick your poison i guess

[sour crag]

Guess healer isn't an option then

fuck it, I'll just bash the healer constantly then

I dont wanna keep chasing ghosts

[green wharf]

if you cant reach then, fuck it, hit the healer

it will at least bait then close

if you team follow up you can burst him down

[exotic forge]

Honestly, not a bad idea to hit the healer if you can't anyone else

[patent forum]

Just hit everything while you waddle to your kill target

[exotic forge]

^^

[sour crag]

Just to upkeep my Rampage, I guess?

[patent forum]

No, to do damage

Damage is king, doesn’t matter what you’re hitting

Pressure is pressure

[sour crag]

Is Arcane hitting harder than frost?

I mean, are they a bigger threat than frostfire?

[patent forum]

They feel the same

[exotic forge]

They're Mages, they're a threat regardless of the spec

Rip them to shreds, tear their flesh apart

[sour crag]

I would

If I could reach them with more than 2 charges and a leap

It's like trying to catch Instinct Goku.

doesn't matter if I spam hamstring on them

[fickle forge]

Pick Spear and chase frost

Double mage is bad

[green wharf]

except fire

basically, the only conclussion is: we need wow2

[sour crag]

Replace dragon roar with spear?