pvp

[lavish quest]

Was just a minor accident

[sour crag]

Remind me which spell I should always kick from an Affli Warlock? Was it Malefric Rupture?

[pastel swan]

Haunt is a good one to kick

Unstable afflic and malefic are prob pretty good to kick as well

[sour crag]

Well if I can only choose one?

[urban skiff]

My wife has no idea how much I make, so I sometimes prank her by dumping 40k into the savings account

[fierce elm]

Depends on what you can reach

[fierce elm]

Yeah okay BUDDY

[urban skiff]

just want to chime in as a former mechanic

[fierce elm]

GF hates buying nice stuff for herself so I usually force her or surprise her

[urban skiff]

That's because modern cars are made to preserve the people inside and not made to preserve the car

The entire car is a spring that softens the amount of G-forces the people inside experience in case of a crash.

[urban skiff]

Oh I know how that feels

[fierce elm]

On that note its extremely satisfying watching them test it

its like a fucking slinky

[urban skiff]

yup

material engineering is a fucking artform people don't recognize

[exotic forge]

I think I remember reading something like that elsewhere

[urban skiff]

I thought it was common knowledge by now

[fierce elm]

Eveeything is so intricately calculated

Because who gives a fuck about a totaled car if you survive

[exotic forge]

Tru

Can't help but think about the costs and what not however

[urban skiff]

Totaled just means it costs more to repair than a new one. Is why a lot of totaled cars get shipped to other countries and saved there.

[urban skiff]

Cost of opportunity maybe. Can't cash in on wife's life insurance if she don't die

But if I crash and total my car it'll cost me less than one month car payment to get a brand new car

[fierce elm]

For lumbering a minimum ton of metal around going fast speeds I feel like costs for safety shouldnt be a huge concern

Especially with insurance depending on country

[urban skiff]

holy fucking shit, freight transport is scary as shiiiiiiiiit

[fierce elm]

It really is

[urban skiff]

I can't believe truck drivers agree to that shit

[fierce elm]

There are some wild forces on the road

[exotic forge]

That reminds me, the amount of people i attended on calls about car insurances because their SO passed away was crazy

[urban skiff]

I've seen what happens when district heat pipes aren't secured and a truck is made to stop: The pipes don't stop

[exotic forge]

And some of them even kinda sounded happy to be cashing in that insurance

[urban skiff]

It's like final destination meets indiana jones "wall of spear" only it's going up the driver's ass

[urban skiff]

I can't imagine what that's like. My wife is the light of my life and quite literally my second half

[fierce elm]

Wont lie, at that moment it probably was a bittersweet thing

However everyone reacts differently

[urban skiff]

But maybe you're in a place where cashing in on insurance means recovering from a crippling medical debt incurred by the same accident?

[fierce elm]

Yeah

It can be some relief in dark moments

[exotic forge]

There's a lot of factors, honestly

[urban skiff]

Idk, grieving people do weird shit and you never know what they're dealing with

[fierce elm]

Yeah

Its wild what your mind does when it shuts off

[urban skiff]

Wouldn't surprise me if there's at least a few abusive spouses who happen to get in accidents like in the 1950s

[exotic forge]

In that moment I was just doing my job and i don't really think about it til later on

[exotic forge]

Forreal

[urban skiff]

After our loss we attended a group grief counselling thing and everyone handled it very differently.

[exotic forge]

Crazy how different some traumatic responses are

Like, some people just laugh

[urban skiff]

so how about mr fantastic's pubes?

[fierce elm]

oh my god is it

[urban skiff]

or a hilarious photoshop

[fierce elm]

Toxic

[urban skiff]

What's toxic is the lack of miniskirts that hides the male kt human underwear

or shrinks it

[fierce elm]

Oh my god that reminds me

[urban skiff]

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bonk-cat-bunt-forehead-love-attack-gif-13993799703103189893

[fierce elm]

https://i.redd.it/d3cvegxsatce1.png

lmao

[urban skiff]

oh my god I want that

[fierce elm]

Some dude in r/transmogrification posted it

[urban skiff]

I am a complete fan

[fierce elm]

https://i.redd.it/uomyk4nanpce1.png

its so good

[urban skiff]

I need these pants

where

what

oh nice

[urban skiff]

rate my shaman

[elfin surge]

@sharp meteor

[sour crag]

I hurt my hand smashing my keyboard.

fucking rogues

throat hurts too

[urban skiff]

how

are

there

3

rogues

[sharp meteor]

[sour crag]

solo shuffle

I am cursed

[urban skiff]

That has got to be the most least lucky game in the world

[sour crag]

I lost two weeks of progress because of them

I am legit angry now.

[urban skiff]

you gained 2 weeks of experience that makes it easier to climb next time

[elfin surge]

Progress is within

[sour crag]

I'm not sure I have enough time for that. I want to do other things before season ends

[urban skiff]

i think i like this better

[sour crag]

I don't want to spend hours just to eithger get 10 points or draws, only to lose a single match and lost a whole day of queueing

[sharp meteor]

🦊

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

what's realyl going to happen, is you're going to go up a bit, then down a bit, then up a bit more, then down a bit

Then suddenly you roll lucky dice and get a 6-0 lobby vs fresh characters

and you skyrocket to a new record

[pastel swan]

Assa rogs get smashed tho

[urban skiff]

and then you go up a bit, and down a bit

rinse and repeat

[sour crag]

But I REALLY went down this time. This is so stupid.

How do people think this is fun?

[sterile moth]

You can’t focus on rating

[urban skiff]

people generally don't think it's fun to lose.

[sour crag]

At least make the enchant be 1500 rating at least so I don't have ot mentally grind myself to dust for this FOMO bullshit.

[urban skiff]

but personally I think it's fun to play and i get dopamine every time i do a good thing in a fight

it doesn't matter that i lose, or that I win but it's because the enemy did something bad

Fun is fun

[sterile moth]

It’ll drive you nuts. The only way you lose is if you quit or stop trying to get better

[pastel swan]

If you’re sub 2k you’re probably just not cranking enough tbh

[urban skiff]

and stormstrike is a lot of fun

[elfin surge]

Looks like the rating you are at right now is the rating you belong at. Good queues might get you pushed up a bit but until you improve you wont see much higher cr.

[pastel swan]

Just do maximum damage

[sour crag]

Dude

[pastel swan]

Keep your target hamstrung and gg

[sour crag]

I keep doing all of that, but nothing is working.

Nothing dies to me.

[elfin surge]

Send me video gameplay of your next shuffle.

[fierce elm]

Imagine needing to learn something to get a reward from it

[pastel swan]

How much DPS do you normally do

[sour crag]

Maybe 500k on a good round

[sterile moth]

Focus Strombolt, focus fear on healer and crank damage. That’s about all you need to hit 2k as long as you somewhat trade defensives appropriately

[pastel swan]

What about on average lol

[elfin surge]

na breh dps means nothing

[pastel swan]

Lmaoooo

[urban skiff]

tbh i'd cheer the fuck out of him if he did live stream in discord

[fierce elm]

Was doing 200k on Outlaw rogue until about 2k lmao

Damage aint everything

[pastel swan]

Ok that’s a rogue bro

That’s different

Assa is the only rog spec that cranks and its a lot of pad just rotting ppl

Sometimes outlaw can crank if good rng and uptime

[frank knoll]

Actually love Destro now

[elfin surge]

Damage is a lot for war but dps is an impossible metric to go off of

[fierce elm]

I can do 300k dps on fury and hit 2k

[urban skiff]

what's a good dps number to do well up to 1950?

[lavish quest]

Nah, pump big dam = win

Unga bunga

[urban skiff]

asking for a friend, not necessarily class specific

[sour crag]

I mean I -could- try bringing up a video feed if that is possible here.

[urban skiff]

just what's the nice number that isn't bad

[pastel swan]

Damage > everything

[sour crag]

But I am not sure it's worth it

Not if I am gonna get mocked at or whatever

[fierce elm]

More than 0

[urban skiff]

tbh this isn't quite the truth

[frank knoll]

I realized Destro is basically a ranged sub rogue
You kill during havoc double coil

[urban skiff]

What matters is the difference between your damage and the opponent's effective health

[pastel swan]

Unless you do good setups you ain’t killing shit without damage

[fierce elm]

Hence, I can skill check my way to 2k on my shitty rogue

[frank knoll]

Destro is the set up lock spec

[fierce elm]

And I can do the same on warrior lmao

[urban skiff]

I went 5-1 yesterday with dps at 113k and 131k

is that ok

[fierce elm]

wack

[urban skiff]

I also had a few rounds at 320-330k, mostly when people didn't die too fast

[pastel swan]

Then your partner compensated for the difference and was probably cranking out super high DPS

Though even at 2k ppl are rather confused so I could see that

[urban skiff]

but I have nooo idea what I should be shooting for, neither within my spec nor to compare with external forces

[fierce elm]

Its weird how you gotta learn the game to get rewards

[pastel swan]

400-500k average DPS is good

[urban skiff]

compensating by supplying the other 6k dps

[pastel swan]

Those numbers arent accurate

[urban skiff]

thunderstorm + root totem is just so funny i forget to dps

[elfin surge]

i do 5mil dps against 50 pets i must be good

[pastel swan]

That’s outside of the arena. It’s way lower on details

[fierce elm]

goated

[vapid tartan]

[urban skiff]

they're from an arena match, details doesn't compress numbers when exiting arenas

but it does drop off at the end because it's dps of combat time

[pastel swan]

Bro I guarantee you those are not real numbers

[urban skiff]

how do I get the real numbers?

[pastel swan]

In the actual arena

It cuts them almost in half when you exit arena

[sour crag]

I think my biggest issues why I keep losing are following:
1: I fumble with my keyboard which isn't really high-class mechanical one. (it's a Corsair from 2018)
2: My reaction time is probably slow due to not being 20+ but 30+ years old.
3: I tunnelvision, keep hammering despite seeing the target has a deff and I just hammer through because I don't know a better choice.
4: Despite I try to keep up and pressuring at my target as I should as Fury, people are in love with countering me with stunlocks and whatnot.
5: I keep mistaking pressing my trinkets and deffs prematurely out of habit and panic.

[fierce elm]

84.5k dps is autos only

[urban skiff]

If we're talking "in the moment" dps i'd have to make an addon for that

[fierce elm]

kek

Brother just blamed his keyboard for the 1st point

[urban skiff]

for this specific match, lol

[sour crag]

Addendum: I am not in a good mental state right now.

[urban skiff]

kind of close

[urban skiff]

how can we improve your mental state?

[sour crag]

For real, it is not ergonomically fitting my fingers to quickly react to things

[urban skiff]

Not sarcasm, what do you need right now to feed your inner flower?

[urban skiff]

are you ingame? screencap your action bars

[fierce elm]

1. It aint your keyboard
2. it aint because you are 30+
3. hit something else
4. thats wow pvp
5. Stop panicking, worst case you die without using a defensive

[fierce elm]

If you are blaming your keyboard right now you need to close down discord and wow and go binge watch some Netflix

[urban skiff]

is that all your binds?

[fierce elm]

same with point two

[pastel swan]

Trading defensives when they have cooldowns are good. Do you have a way to track this? Having defensives on nameplates will show you who to attack. Swapping is very important bc you force more cooldowns and open up a kill down the road.

[sour crag]

Only way I can keep track is if they have their CDs on their nameplates. The second I look away from the target, I fumble.

[sterile moth]

Oh no are you clicking some of these?

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm @elfin surge I think he's using defensive trinket, I have no idea if that's a good choice for warrior or not

[sour crag]

More or less

[urban skiff]

need expert opinion on if that's a simple improvement point or not

[fierce elm]

He isnt

[pastel swan]

The F1-F8 seems really inefficient. I would make more shift modifiers

[fierce elm]

its his damage cooldown bind

[urban skiff]

yeah, and people typically bind first trinket into swifty macro

[fierce elm]

We went over this a few days ago

[urban skiff]

So I assumed

[fierce elm]

And its absolutely not a gear issue

Honestly, learn or dont learn, not to be mean and like rude

[urban skiff]

I think we can clean up your binds a bit

[fierce elm]

But thats about it

[urban skiff]

Does your mouse have side buttons?

[sterile moth]

F1 pummel 😞

[fierce elm]

Eventually you have to nut up and learn the game, if not then yeah

[sour crag]

Oh the RAWR is my macro of
/cast recklessness
/cast avatar
I Have the Avatar next to it just to keep track of its cooldown before I press T again

[fierce elm]

And I have seen everyone be able to learn WoW pvp

[urban skiff]

Or he has to turn into me and actively try to avoid learning

[sterile moth]

Skill capped has some pretty good vids to get your binds in order

[pastel swan]

Yeah I saw that. I mean to be fair some function keys are pretty accessible. Mine are not. But ya you want kick right by movement keys or easy button on mouse

[fierce elm]

or that lmao

But this isnt a bind/gear issue

[urban skiff]

tbh, life is simpler when you don't try

[sour crag]

My Function bindings are on my side buttons of my Razor mouse.

The wheel type.

[urban skiff]

I think it's a little bind issue

intervene on F7

[fierce elm]

Either try to learn or dont, improve on the stuff you suck at

Thats about it

[sour crag]

I interrupt things by pressing my right thumb on the mouse

[fierce elm]

WoW like every other game is about learning stuff

[pastel swan]

Ok that’s good

[urban skiff]

I used to play the piano and i have my trinket bound to shift+m and I still think F7 is out of reach for intervene and SR

[sour crag]

I have short fingers

[fierce elm]

F-keys are mouse bound

[urban skiff]

ooooh

[fierce elm]

Yeah, this is a not learning moment

[urban skiff]

So wheel + mmo-style buttons?

[sour crag]

Yes, I use the Razor Naga Trinity Mouse with the wheel module

And I bound all my F-keys on that

[urban skiff]

this is what my binds look like

[pastel swan]

Step 1 Learn rotation
Step 2 Learn your class
Step 3 Learn other classes defensives, burst, and other abilities that would render you unable to do damage like hitting into BoP from a paladin would be bad unless you play Shattering Throw.
Step 4 Trade your mobility and defensives well. Don’t blow them

I feel like that’s a good start. Maybe move step 4 to 3 lol

[urban skiff]

I have "spam" attacks on my mouse so i can always ABC

[fierce elm]

So the same thing we have been saying since the start

[pastel swan]

Bc as someone that came to the game last ssn, it’s A LOT TO LEARN

[sour crag]

I've already learned my rotations, I can peak 800k on the dummy with Rampage.

[pastel swan]

You should be able to get up to 950k

[fierce elm]

Sit down, learn the game. No point in tilting when you dont even know the mistakes you are making

dps on dummies means jack shit

We are taking 4 steps backwards with this conversation rn instead of looking forward

you clearly climbed ratng

[urban skiff]

peak on dummy

[fierce elm]

ran into something that was hard

now its time to learn how to deal with that

[pastel swan]

I meant like 950k sustained after 4 or 5 mins

[urban skiff]

ah

[fierce elm]

then you are gonna run into something else, learn that

But the fact is that you have to play and make mistakes and not know shit

and take away things from it

I am constantly going over the shit I do bad and what I did wrong

[pastel swan]

I started this game last season (I played a few months in WOTLK but only lvled)

[fierce elm]

Especially now learning other specs

[sour crag]

remind me again how much time I have left?

[pastel swan]

I learned by playing a little of everything

[fierce elm]

We dont know

[urban skiff]

this is the real take. @sour crag you've been up there, you can get up there again and again and again. You'll climb and eventually surpass by accident

[fierce elm]

But early feb is the earliest

Take a break, requeue, learn the game

[urban skiff]

Maybe it's time to find a nice skillcapped video for him to watch

[pastel swan]

This season, I’m nearing elite (2400 in shuffle) on my rogue and shaman. And I’m duelist on 2 other classes on my way to elite hopefully. It can be done. I listen to a lot of videos, watch streams, ask questions

[fierce elm]

Eventually you can tell your own mistakes

[sour crag]

You keep saying "learn the game" but you never take into account what how I should practically do to do so.

[fierce elm]

Think about what you are doing

[pastel swan]

Having never played rogue ever which is one of the more mechanically difficult specs in the game

[fierce elm]

Thats really it

invest a bit of time reading specs

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/Tj8xFnbiGts

[fierce elm]

Invest a bit of effort into learning what your spec can do

[sour crag]

I just gave you the list and all I got was "Get good noob"

[fierce elm]

Depends on spec

[fierce elm]

Which is honestly the basic of it all

Im not trying to be rude

[urban skiff]

I'm a fan of the KISS method

[pastel swan]

Yeah of course it’s assa. But it’s still more difficult mechanically than most specs. I’m also duelist on outlaw and sub about 2k but haven’t pushed in either

[sour crag]

People keep saying "record you matches", yet that doesn't mean shit to me if I don't know what I should be looking at. I'm not some sports guy with analytic thinking.

[vapid tartan]

Without posting a vid of your games there is no meaningful advice you can get here

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm OH MY GOD THE VIDEO HAS A TIER LIST I DIDN'T KNOW I'VE BEEN MISSING OUT

[fierce elm]

You dont look at it

We look at it

[sour crag]

Well I can't upload here because of too big file and I don't want to load up on youtube because I am very keen on my privacy on the internet.

I'm sorry, I'm paranoid like that.

[pastel swan]

You can make it private on YouTube

So no one sees it but us

[fierce elm]

You can private youtube

and make it link only

[urban skiff]

Or make a separate account, or even put it straight on a different service that isn't linked to you like twitch?

Or put it on instagram lol

[pastel swan]

Also u can make a YouTube attached to an email you make for shit like this

My wife works in fraud/security and this is a good way to do it

[urban skiff]

100% what that guy said

[rancid granite]

yeah i was like 12 when i learned to do that

[pastel swan]

It’ll be your own little burner account

You can make an Only Feet

[sour crag]

Right. Do people also stream here?

[fierce elm]

Not really

[urban skiff]

Sounds like a joke but you actually can put it on only fans or peeeeehub (if you aren't in one of the infamous 36 states)

[pastel swan]

Magnus and Laros stream a lot.

[urban skiff]

I wouldn't mind doing it tbh

[pastel swan]

You can ask them questions directly

[urban skiff]

It could be really chill way to spend a friday evening

[sour crag]

I mean like putting up a video feed on voicechat here

[fierce elm]

Yeah I aint viewing a non-recording

I dont have time for that

[urban skiff]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1261442398945415239

you can check what others do and see if you recognize it

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[pastel swan]

I was trying To link something I got from Magnus stream

But it only sent pics

[urban skiff]

I saw it was 11.0.7 and 11.1 talents

dirty

[pastel swan]

Yeah that was one issue but it had a lot of other good info

[urban skiff]

excellent!

[copper fox]

Time to grind

That hpal honor

[lavish quest]

No, it's time to plunderstorm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198213371154153484.gif?quality=lossless&name=ragey&size=48

[rugged temple]

[sour crag]

I need a stroll. I have a headache.

Thanks for the advices. They mean a lot, I'm just not in a good place to process it all.

[rancid granite]

go stroll to the gym

[urban skiff]

find out what helps you center yourself

[sour crag]

It's my rest day. Thought I could spend it on the weekly checklist and hopefully more time for solo queues. But after facing three rogues, I'm just done.

[urban skiff]

for some of us, playing this is what gives us peace

[urban skiff]

thinking about skipping my rest day

No kids home and wife asleep

Could knock out a high volume full body and feel really good for a couple of hours

[sour crag]

If I went back in queue again, I'm too frustrated and my mind will blank.

[pastel swan]

Basically, @sour crag l it’s like Afro said. You have to learn the game. If against those rogues you played disarm (which you 100% should for many reasons), disarming randomly is not good. If it was sub, you want to disarm Shadow Blades. If it was Outlaw, you want to disarm when they vanish bc it messes up their Between the Eyes “burst.” If it was assa, you want to disarm when they’re bursting with deathmark or after they vanish because they get empowered garrotes and are able to use Cheap Shot freely. When you do things matters. Against sub rogues you never waste trinket. You save it for Shadowy Duel (see you later in 11.1) or vs any rog spec save for smoke bomb unless you have to trinket bc someone’s dead and you have to intervene or you’re dying and out of line of your healer stuck in a stun (which is also why you NEVER line your healer aka your life line). You have to recognize when people are doing goes. This means they’re setting something up. In shuffle it’s disjointed and unorganized. But if you don’t know what other classes win condition or set ups look like, you can’t possibly have synergy with them. A good rule of thumb is that you avoid stunning when playing with rogues because they like to stun the healer and kill target off DR (are you tracking diminishing returns?). You can stun the off target to save them time, or if you see someone trinkets you can stun as well. But I would never stun when playing with a sub rogues as their existence relies heavily on stuns and DR stubs.

[rancid granite]

@fierce elm see what the rat work is doing do these guys?

[sour crag]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-cool-lol-story-penguin-gif-15806980480261228142

Sincerely.

[pastel swan]

This is just a small amount of information breaking down that last shuffle. Now imagine how much you have to learn with other classes and comps and cooldowns and everything. It is a lot. But don’t get overwhelmed. Just keep queueing and eventually it’ll make sense. Maybe find a class you enjoy then stick with it. Put in several hundred rounds minimum to get remotely mediocre at it

Bro you asked for help LMAO. wow

Genuinely.

[sour crag]

I know you're trying to help, and I get that. But this isn't how it's helping me.

[rancid granite]

bro go help yourself by touching grass then

sincerely

[pastel swan]

Save that message and come back and read it in a few hours or a day when you’re less stressed. I promise you it is good info that 100% will help

[lavish quest]

Does git gud help?

[rancid granite]

'how do i git gud without playing though'

[sharp meteor]

i mean just going over ur games is better than slamming games out

reps are useful but only to a degree

[sour crag]

I read up to the disarm part, then I'm thinking "what's the point of disarming one rogue when I face another anyway"

[sharp meteor]

unless its blitz then its literally jsut press q 1000 times

[sour crag]

ANYWAY I NEED TO GO OUT o/

[rancid granite]

reps is like 90% of it ok

[sour crag]

bbl

[pastel swan]

Because the rogue with shadowblades will duel you and one shot. So by disarming you negate 50% of the incoming damage you take

[lavish quest]

I can tell you, if you get kills, you will win. If you win, your rating will go up.

[fierce elm]

Disarm the deathmark that they use at the end of already applying everything

Disarm out of stealth to not allow them to AoE rupture or AoE garrote

If they press deathmark you already got full bleeds on you

[pastel swan]

Things can be taken out of context over the internet, and I mean this is in friendly way. You’re fried by not taking the advice

[fierce elm]

Trust me, we have been over this multiple times

[pastel swan]

That was a thoughtful af answer I put together lol

[sharp meteor]

Huh.

[pastel swan]

If you disarm one rogue then 50% (the other DPS in the lobby) can’t do shit lol

A bad way to articulate it maybe

He said what will disarming do when there’s another rogue

Bc you temporarily take one player out of the game for 5 seconds that’s how lol

And outside of shadow blades sub rogues tickle you

[fierce elm]

Also Outlaw is just RNG dependant on if your disarm does something or not

All comes down to them having some luck and they can just continue regardless

[pastel swan]

Ya sometimes but it usually screwed me on the pirate

[fierce elm]

If they Rolled before they vanished its pretty much 100% not doing shit except stop a re-stun

[pastel swan]

It still stops cheap shors

Shots

And that’s better for the team

[fierce elm]

But if they are somewhat competent they are gonna have Kidney

which already just stops it all lmao

[pastel swan]

Kidney is on one person cheap shot is on 3

[sharp meteor]

so the thing about disarming rogue on their cc/burst is that

[pastel swan]

But I get your point

[sharp meteor]

you're usually covered

[fierce elm]

Now disarming assa is a whole nother subject and personally does nothing lmao

but thats me

[pastel swan]

Outlaw isn’t killing anything by itself tho. I love outlaw bc it’s the most mobile spec in game and so tenant.

[sharp meteor]

idk feels like outlaw killin stuff

[pastel swan]

You can’t do anything on assa for damage besides fan of knives and maybe ambush

[fierce elm]

You dont stop anything from Assa unless you get the disarm before they can get bleeds going

but even that just delays it a little bit and makes it slightly more annoying for assa to set up bleeds

It basically just denies AoE garrote, but in most cases they get that out anyways

[pastel swan]

You stop shiv deathmark cheap shot envenom (darkest night can hit up to 2 mil)

Sounds good to me

Worth

[fierce elm]

Then still bleed to death lmao

But either way, he isnt gonna listen

[pastel swan]

Yeah. Why are we debating that it’s not good to disarm a rogue.It def is brother but I get your points

[fierce elm]

idk lmao

[pastel swan]

LOL

He’s fried for sure

Asks for help.

[fierce elm]

I just feel argumentative whenever Kraanos shows up and brings the same issues he talked about yesterday

[pastel swan]

We help

Then he denies said help

You got coaches selling vod reviews telling them all that for $100

[urban skiff]

I feel like they need to add an exp bar to pvp

Not honor, but just something

[fierce elm]

Make everyones winrate publicly known with a % above their head

[rancid granite]

i mean thats just rating and titles isnt it lol

[elfin surge]

[fierce elm]

Shame title

forced onto everyone

[rancid granite]

im for it

[pastel swan]

Anyone below 50% winrate gets Gulagger title

[urban skiff]

In the last 12 games or something. I want to be able to erase a bad past

[urban skiff]

I had rank 37 for a short while with 28% winrate

Or was it 19%?

[pastel swan]

Lmfao what spec was it

I was #40 rogue for like a week a month in and never played rogue before this ssn was proud of that

[haughty jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/whip-cream-gif-18982810

[sour crag]

Okay I'm back and I've calmed down. And I've read through your stuff about the rogues @pastel swan, cheers. It's just seems so complicated to keep track of things. I don't if it's just how my brain process information or me just simply too focused on a target and can't divert my eyes on trackers because otherwise I disorient myself.

Like, I get the theory of when and how to use my trinket in the way you put it. But having me to put it to practice whilst still having to deal with the shuffle chaos in general.. you're honestly asking too much for me to handle at once. And yes, I know that more rep = more learning, but obviously more rep for me has just meant more losses and further deterioration to my motvation in general.

What people keep proclaiming that the stuff they manage to succeed within a week is... like a month for me, which I frankly doubt I will manage at this point.

[pastel swan]

I’m curious if your UI is too cluttered or doesn’t have enough. Do you have a screenshot of the middle of a match

[haughty jewel]

just trinket when U get in cc

[pastel swan]

Don’t do this. There are dispellable ccs and times when u want to hold trinket like when nothings going on

[sour crag]

That's the thing, I'm honestly scared of using the trinket. Mainly because I never know when the time should be right ofr it, or if I should just "power through"

[haughty jewel]

Yea but i can trinket faster than my healer can dispel sometimes

[pastel swan]

Never trinket a dispellable cc unless the healer proves several times over that they don’t dispel

[haughty jewel]

@opaque whale Tell him to start dispelling faster

And i wont be trinketing polymorphs

[pastel swan]

Lol

[opaque whale]

Ni-

[pastel swan]

Trinket a poly to get repolyd

[haughty jewel]

At least its half

You dont need your trinket

[pastel swan]

Sometimes trinketing aggro is good

Don’t get me wrong

[haughty jewel]

Always.

[pastel swan]

But other times it’s horrible especially in setup comps where u trinket a dispellable cc to only get full cloned

[sour crag]

This is taken on December 30, mind you. I removed some bits but the layout is more or less similar

[pastel swan]

For starters you have 2 sets of party frames which is unneeded

[haughty jewel]

Aye cracka Why u targetting a DH when theres an afflicition warlock on the other team

[pastel swan]

Yup that’s also valid LMAO

[sour crag]

I mean... peopl keep saying different things who I should train.

[pastel swan]

Personal resource bar is also unneeded clutter

[sour crag]

you say this, other say that

[pastel swan]

Brother as a warrior you ALWAYS go lock

Without question

Maybe u swap for a second on their big wall but other than that you’re on him

[sour crag]

the yellow fist thing?

[haughty jewel]

Beans

[sour crag]

I'll try to get a screenshot of my current setting later

[haughty jewel]

@opaque whale Always remember to dispel "Polymorph"! As it allows your teammates to continue fighting and then win the game!

Please remember this!

[pastel swan]

A huge thing is to keep your target hamstrung

An if there’s a caster in your team with all melee, hamstring the melee so your caster can get a few casts off

As you charge in, your first global after is Hamstring

[sour crag]

I do try to spam it, but it seems pointless if I can't bring my ass closer anyway. Even with impairing immunents. I'm either walking on quicksand or icesckating and overshooting my movement.

[pastel swan]

Then make them walk on quicksand by hamstringing. That way they can’t kite you

If you play Haste Enrage you get movement speed from that

You also have root immunities in battle shout (if playing that PvP talent that breaks roots), avatar, bladestorm, and gnome if you were that race

[sour crag]

Nope, I'm draenei.

Silly I know.

[pastel swan]

Ok well still you have 3 ways to break roots

[haughty jewel]

It important to be draenei

[pastel swan]

Many healers can also break for you. Paladin can give freedom

Monk can give bloodlust

[haughty jewel]

As you only have 1 life in hardcore, so something such as a Dranei racial may save your life in a risky situation!

[pastel swan]

Rdruid can pick a talent to give a freedom thing

Don’t be scared to ask healers or teammates to give you freedom if you’re facing something like a frost mage or devastation evoker

They forget

[haughty jewel]

Just give up

[sour crag]

I have my HoT Racial bound to Impending Victory in a macro.

[haughty jewel]

If you see forst mage devastation

I would just give up

[pastel swan]

I play spear for mage and shattering throw

Ya if playing both together I’m going healer LMAO

[haughty jewel]

To lose anyways

I would put try and see how far down my urethra I can fit my champion's spear

In that situation

[pastel swan]

I get block like every time if I can bolt or fear healer and get 4 or 5 seconds with a mage

It’s so good

[sour crag]

I would absolutely love a cheat sheet of classes I face in Solo Shuffle. Who to priorotize depending on the combo and whatnot.

because as you said earlier, why would I pick DH over Affli, despite what others say? That is just one example.

[haughty jewel]

U just always have to go afflic

Specifically

[sour crag]

That is one class, yes. But what of the rest?

Again, a list would had been lovely

[haughty jewel]

Ask chat gpt

[sour crag]

Fuck AI, not doing that sorry.

[pastel swan]

It depends on who is on your team as well.

[haughty jewel]

@opaque whale Hey Triton,

I really appreciate all the healing and support you provide in our 3v3 matches—it makes a huge difference! I wanted to bring up something that could help us coordinate even better as a team.

When I get hit with Polymorph, it takes me out of the fight completely, which can put a lot of pressure on you. If you could prioritize dispelling Polymorph off me when it's safe to do so, it would really help me stay in the fight and contribute more damage/control for the team. I know it's not always easy to juggle everything in the heat of battle, but even just focusing on dispels during key moments could give us an edge.

Thanks so much for considering it! Let me know if there's anything I can do to make your job easier too—I'm happy to adjust my playstyle if needed. 😊

[pastel swan]

Locks, Druids, shamans, rets are usually pretty good to train

Locks and Druids specifically. People go ret a lot bc if you go on their teammate, they can use all their support on their teammate so makes them harder to beat

[sour crag]

@pastel swan Here, this is taken during a skirmish just now

[pastel swan]

Warriors bully death knights also. But if you have a magic damage dealer on your team they’re not AS good of a target. But if it’s you and a hunter/rogue/ monk, suddenly the DK is scared as fuck

[exotic forge]

I see Spriest, I lock the hell in like a Predator missile

[sour crag]

Also mind you, my eyes are fixed on the nameplates.

Also, Retri got so many movement immunities, riding their ponies back and forth, making me waste my charges and hamstrings anyway. Worse than mages, arguably.

[fierce elm]

Plunderstorm plunder gain this time is wild

Retri has one movement immunity

[sour crag]

Which they seem to have more than one charge in pvp...?

[fierce elm]

Horse is not a movement immunity

[exotic forge]

If you dispel freedom, they lose all movement

[fierce elm]

you can slow them on horse

and root them

[sour crag]

Yeah but they sure love to combo the blessing with the horse

[exotic forge]

Of course, they can't move otherwise

Dispel it and you can be happy for 25 sec

[sour crag]

That implies the dispeller in my Solo Shuffle team actually does the dispelling then..

Do I train windwalker monks?

[fierce elm]

Dispel the Freedom kek

You can train windwalker monks

[sour crag]

unless Karma of Death or whatever?

forgot what their big mean CD is named

[fierce elm]

Karma

Just dont hit into it

[exotic forge]

Swap to the other target

Try not to cleave

Even if Karma is not on you

[dense herald]

NAH

NAH

[fierce elm]

NAH NAH

[dense herald]

i was 50min q in ss

and i went quickly to wash my hands

i come back i miss q

[fierce elm]

fucking rolled

[pastel swan]

Yes just let them go on their freedom. Nothing is worth chasing if you’re going to line your healer or waste your mobility. Do you find you die or your teammates die more often than not?

There is a very calculated approach to mobility. Think a hunter disengages and you charge him. Then he turtles so you charge the healer. Then you leap back to Hunter, well now you’re out of mobility. You can’t just waste it. Move with purpose

[sour crag]

Usually teammates, probably because I didn't care for them while trying to train something that isn't moving away from me.

[pastel swan]

Walking at people isn’t bad and necessary sometimes

[pastel swan]

Use intervene off cooldown. This is very important

Use battle shout early in the match if you’re not the target

[sour crag]

You mean Commanding SHout?

[pastel swan]

Yeah is that the health increase one

My bad

I’m new to Warrior myself lol. Started this week for first time

[fierce elm]

Rallying cry

[lavish quest]

I hardly ever use intervene tbh

Usually just mobility

[fierce elm]

I hardly stay constantly in line of my healer

[pastel swan]

I’m almost 2200. And the reason for that is bc I understand the concepts which is what you are lacking. Just takes time

[sour crag]

Guess we were both wrong, I do mean Rallying Cry

[fierce elm]

My healer can suck my nuts

keep up nerds

[pastel swan]

Lmfao to be fair it is a healers job to push if you’re melee vs caster

[lavish quest]

The other players suck, thus aren't worth protecting

Better to just Unga bunga

[pastel swan]

But lining a healer for extended time is not good and you gonna die

[pastel swan]

LMAO

[fierce elm]

I do that all the time, either they play with me or not

gotta take command

Worst case I lose a round

[pastel swan]

I got trolled so hard this week man

Had a DK who just ignored the lock the entire shuffle

[fierce elm]

Best case they play with me and win a round

[pastel swan]

Then the next shuffle I got him again with a different lock

I got chat silenced bc of him

I said some things

[fierce elm]

I tell every ranged I play with that I am gonna zug zug and if they wanna lose a round by playing passive then go for it

[pastel swan]

Valid

As warrior you have to zug 100%

[fierce elm]

We playing my game and strat

[sour crag]

So

[pastel swan]

The way I look at it we have the MS

So they do what we do

They hit what we hit

[sour crag]

Never ask my team what the target is, I just pick whatever I find most suitable for myself?

[pastel swan]

Lol

Definitely let them know the main target in start

But target can switch

Like say someone lines their healer and they get a big cc on the healer then just swap

[sour crag]

Well I do say "I'll go lock" but that doesn't mean my other DPSer will agree and split our damage anyway.

[pastel swan]

That’s a low MMR thing

[sour crag]

then I wonder "is it me or them?"

[pastel swan]

As you get higher ppl will hit your target more often than not

[pastel swan]

I struggled with that this week. Even when I called target ppl did whatever they wanted and trained bad targets

But honestly you may have to just swap and hit what they’re hitting

Affliction locks and SPs will mostly rot everything in their line, so you can hit whatever. But it’s good to generally pick a target. You can say “start x, but look for swaps”

You need to get in the habit of swapping on defensives like clockwork. You see a wall, you swap to a near target. Then when that wall is down you swap back.

[sour crag]

Generally I try to train the target who has the least mobility so I don't have to fuss with my poor fingers pressing the hamstring button so much. ANd I don't bother going after healers, they'll just outheal me anyway. Unless the Discpriest chooses to switch health with someone.

[pastel swan]

You can also use Ping macros to swap

It’s hard to kill a good disc. Most ppl continue killing the target the lifeswapped bc now the priest is low and you’re still killing the target they swapped

And it’s VERY hard for disc to recover at that point

[sour crag]

If I face a Warrior and Shaman, I try to focus Shaman.. because people tell me that is the sensible thing, even if I can probably outclass the Arms warrior after their sworddancing.

[pastel swan]

Druid would be the one healer that is great to swap to. The reason why is because they can only have lifeblooms on two targets which are typically the DPS. So if u can stun a Resto Druid and swap to him, they’re very squishy if not in bear form. Paladins and Monks can also be good targets later in the game when their major cooldowns are used. Hitting an hpal during Blessing of Sacrifice is usually good bc they take extra damage if cleavage whoever they sacced (it’s a blood symbol).

Also paladins healing is reduced SIGNIFICANTLY if you can get them below 70%. Same with pres Evokers. The way their talents and/or mastery works, if they get below a certain threshold, their healing goes way down

[sour crag]

Remind me again what Sacrifice does? I see that icon on a DPSer and I can't for the life of me decide if I should swap or not

[pastel swan]

It gives the DPS they give it to a 30% wall, and the paladin takes 100% of that damage while also taking damage you are doing to them

So it’s like a double whammy

[sour crag]

So I'm just indiretly damaging the healer instead during it?

[pastel swan]

Kind of but it’s better to swap the healer during Sac

Because you won’t do that much damage since they have a 30% wall

If it’s like late in the game and your target is dying but paladin is full health , maybe ignore sac and just power thru killing your target

You can ignore a lot of defensives after 2 mins in shuffle because dampening is so high and you should have slaughterhouse stacks on the target

[rancid granite]

fixed your typo champ

[pastel swan]

So 36% MS with high dampening = auto win for you if you can live

[sour crag]

Worst feeling is when I near 10% of the target's health, only to get stunned and see it go full 100%.

I don't have MS tho

[pastel swan]

Brother

It’s the pvp talent

For love of god

Tell me you’re playing slaughterhouse

[sour crag]

Oh right, you mean that, yah I have it on fixed.

[pastel swan]

Ok was about to say

LOL

[sour crag]

It's that and Battle Commander I keep fixed.

Normally I pick Battle Trance as my third, because I like to play safe with a passive regeneration

I know people like Barbarian, but I feel vulnerable without more personal heals

[pastel swan]

You have this every round right?

[sour crag]

Yes.

[pastel swan]

Barbarian is going away soon

So forget about it now

[lavish quest]

But I go deeeeeeperrrrrr

[sour crag]

This is my default.

[lavish quest]

That's good

[pastel swan]

The third one’s a flex it won’t make a huge diff

[lavish quest]

Swap trance when you know you will swap a lot

[pastel swan]

We’re talking minmaxxie here

What’s your rotation. Like how do you prioritize damage

[sour crag]

What about this one?

[pastel swan]

Are you hitting rampage every single time it lights up

[lavish quest]

I use that when I'm gonna swap a lot

If I don't need disarm

[sour crag]

As often as I see it glow up. And I spam 1 and 2 which is Onslaught and Raging Blow respectively withlut looking. Bloodthirst is on 3, and Execute whenever I see it available. Anything to build my rage asap without thinking.

[pastel swan]

It looks like you’re not tracking enemy cds. Is that true?

[sour crag]

Again, I can't avert my eyes on anythng but the Nameplates because otherwise I lose focus

I can see the CD's active, but never while cooldown. I go by gutfeeling of those.

If I know it's been about a minute, I try to be ready with my def

[pastel swan]

It looks like you don’t track diminishing returns either.

[sour crag]

Nope, never. I know I should. But again, eyesight.

[rancid granite]

it's just practice

gotta get your reps in

[pastel swan]

Yeah I’m new to PvP like I said. I’m not the best at tracking everything

[sour crag]

If I put it this way: this is my actual field of view.

[pastel swan]

The ideal PvP player is looking at diminishing returns, omniCD(your teams cooldowns), omnibar or unit frame cooldowns, and diminishing returns throughout the match

You don’t stare at everything. You kind of just glance

[sour crag]

Funny thing is: I have Omnibar, but I never see it.

[pastel swan]

Like oh shit my team has no cooldowns maybe I need to use a defensive if I’m getting blasted

[sour crag]

And I've no idea how to set it up prolerly

[pastel swan]

If I were you, I’d get the weak aura “externals on me”

It will tell u when ur healer has used a defensive on someone

[rancid granite]

try skillcapped's addon. sets it all up for you.

[pastel swan]

So you don’t overlap

I don’t use omnibar. I just track cds with gladiusex

So everything’s in one spot

[sour crag]

I tried the skillcapped setup. Didn't like it. too much clutter and lack of context.

[pastel swan]

I track kicks/interruots with omnibar on my casters that’s it

[sterile moth]

@sour crag how long have you been playing?

[pastel swan]

You also need diminishing returns. You may wonder why your shockwave lasts 0.5 seconds

It’s because you’re gapping cc

And you wonder why that rogue lobby was hard

You prob messed up DRs like 50 times not knowing LOL

[sour crag]

I know that too many stuns in a row shortens the duration and such, I'm aware of it. I try to pace my CCs by instinct.

[pastel swan]

Get Sarena for diminishing returns. It’s much easier to understand than Diminishing addon because it has ONE cc symbol for all that group of cc

[sterile moth]

We are feeding him info through a fire hose

[sour crag]

In WoW in total or in pvp?

[pastel swan]

So instead of there being an emblem for shockwave, Stormbolt, kidney shot, and cheap shot, it’s only one symbol

[sterile moth]

Wow pvp

[pastel swan]

Drink up bitch

[sour crag]

I haven't played rated pvp seriously since BfA, and I think I got to 1800 ish in 2s.

[pastel swan]

My goal for this ssn is to get you to 2k

[rancid granite]

not gonna happen if he refuses to Q and quits everytime he loses

[pastel swan]

It’s gonna happen

[sterile moth]

Haha

[slow solstice]

aatos

is ip affected by dampening

[pastel swan]

Brother Kraanos if you make a few tweaks to your UI and focus on doing damage and swapping I guarantee you can get 2k or duelist

[rancid granite]

i dont know im an awful player but id guess it doesnt lol

[sour crag]

Right, let me try to list what addons I currently use for PvP

[slow solstice]

all kraanos needs to do to climb is to queue and do damage

idk

[rancid granite]

for real

[exotic forge]

Absorbs aren't affected by dampening

[pastel swan]

It is that simple kind of

[rancid granite]

Q and Q and Q, but not QQ

i got 2100 on a few chars and specs and im a total noob

[sterile moth]

Maybe bind onslaught. Thats a good button

[pastel swan]

When I focused on pumping I immediately went up hundreds of cr. Of course I combine that with cc and its ggs

I think he said onslaught is 1 or 2

[exotic forge]

Play the game

Stop worrying

Lock the hell in

Get the fuck in

[rancid granite]

i use skillcappeds addon setup but don't use it fully

you Q, and Q next and keep playing

slowly you start to learn little things, notice more things, learn things, start to glance at addons more

things click when you PLAY like victor said

take the L's and Q next

[pastel swan]

Yeah and don’t be scared to miss a couple globals to look at something

[slow solstice]

yesterday i learned i could pvp trinket disarm

[pastel swan]

Gapping a fear vs missing one or two globals to check diminishing returns and getting a full fear can be the difference between a win or loss

[slow solstice]

i learn everyday

🙂

[pastel swan]

LMAO yea

I once trinketed searing glare bc it made sense that I could get out of it. Nope LMAO

But it is dispellable

[sterile moth]

lol

[pastel swan]

Searing glare is so tilting. I play it on my ret and it’s soo tilting for double melee

[sterile moth]

So tilting

[sour crag]

I currently use:

• BetterBlizzPlates
• Big Debuffs
• Diminish (No clue where that thing even is)
• Gladius (I just use it to see healthbars, barely noticing DRs and such)
• Omnibar (It's active but I barely see it)
• Weakauras (though most of the current groups are barely used)

If you can tell me which addons to remove and replace for a simplfied UI which is easier to understand and not taking space away from my eyes, I would be grateful.

[sterile moth]

I’ve never gotten it dispelled either…not once

[pastel swan]

I’ll full rep the healer and searing glare the dps then freedom my caster on their burst lmao

Nope

[exotic forge]

If I get glare dispelled I give my healer 1k gold for each dispel

[sterile moth]

Gladiatorlossa literally tells you what the enemy is doing

[exotic forge]

Very rewarding

[slow solstice]

no wya that thing is useful

[pastel swan]

Replace Diminish with Sarena. We’ll disable the Sarena unit frames and only use it for diminishing returns.

Gladiatorlossa is good for major cc like cyclone and stuff but it’s bad overall.

[fierce elm]

Why would you need a second DR addon lmao

[slow solstice]

why would you want to hear soemthing perma yelling at you about stuff that is useless

[fierce elm]

When Gladius has DR built in

[rancid granite]

remove everything and dl skillcapped's addon and roll with it bro it's simple and compact everything right there for you and all set up for you it takes away all the nonsense and simplifies it for you

[pastel swan]

I explained earlier Afro

[sterile moth]

You can disable the useless banter

[fierce elm]

But yall mad focused on random stuff that doesnt matter

[pastel swan]

It’s hard for a noobie to read any diminished tracker

[fierce elm]

I mean the DRs arent his issue

[pastel swan]

Sarena diminish has an option to put all cc under one icon

[fierce elm]

Nor are the addons my guy is rocking

[pastel swan]

With static tracking

[sour crag]

It kinda is... Afro

[pastel swan]

DRs are huge

[fierce elm]

It absolutely isnt

You are not 1650 because of addons

[rancid granite]

yeah its just... go play

instead of talking here

lol

[fierce elm]

Nor are you 1650 because of not looking at DRs

[pastel swan]

I thought he was 1800

[sour crag]

Of course I will keep Q, but I want to be better prepared.

[fierce elm]

for a spec that requires very small glances at DRs

[sour crag]

Nope, I'm down to 1650

[rancid granite]

thats not gonna happen

[pastel swan]

Yeah as warrior it’s not as important that’s valid

[rancid granite]

you go in unprepared and willing to suck and lose and keep playing

[pastel swan]

But still good to know if fear is DRd

[rancid granite]

you will never be prepared enough beforehand

ever

[fierce elm]

Like why would he care if something is on or off DR at that point, not that he will be able to process that information

[slow solstice]

tracking is not the difference of him being 1800

[fierce elm]

Yall just typing stuff that doesnt matter for my guy

[sterile moth]

Stormbolt healer, shockwave kill target- kill! Repeat every 25-30 secs

[slow solstice]

i legit just run in and kill people

[pastel swan]

It was for me but that’s on rogue

[slow solstice]

like what

[fierce elm]

Which leads to more confusion, throwing someone who already is very confused about how to climb

[rancid granite]

id argue it's just gonna make it worse for him lmao; filling his head up so when he gets in game he's gonna panic do nothing

[exotic forge]

Just play the game

[fierce elm]

You guys are info dumping useless stuff straight up

[pastel swan]

Tracking DRs is a core concept of wow pvp I have to disagree with you there

[fierce elm]

Which is fine if a player is capable of understanding it

[pastel swan]

Knowing when you’re coming off DR is also important

[slow solstice]

[slow solstice]

he just needs to play the game

[rancid granite]

yeah you PLAY first and play a lot; then you naturally realize WHY you need it and will want to use it

[fierce elm]

My guy cant look at his action bars while hitting a target, he isnt going to look at the DRs

You have to specify your advice to the person who is going to use it

[sour crag]

But -shouldn't- I understand something first before I bash my head in the field? This whole fire trial approach seems.. counterproductive.

[rancid granite]

no because you understand things /by playing/

[fierce elm]

You have to understand how to deal damage, how to trinket, how your abilities work

[slow solstice]

why if you are already struggling

[fierce elm]

boom, step into arena

[pastel swan]

They’re right in part. I think your biggest problem is probably not doing enough damage. And if you are, are you pumping damage into someone with an immunity or huge wall

That’s step one

[exotic forge]

There's a lot going on in PvP, and a lot to keep track of. Just go with the basics, like Afro says

And play the game

[fierce elm]

You are once more trying to run while not knowing how to crawl

[slow solstice]

The ONLY reason ive climbed

is i know how to do damage

[fierce elm]

and everyone here is teaching you how to run while you should learn how to stand

[pastel swan]

Agreed

[rancid granite]

reading a hundred workout studies aint gonna do nothin; start by movin your body and picking things up 👍

[fierce elm]

This is advice that is relevant if you know the basic steps, which are once more: How to deal damage, how to press trinket, how your abilities work and as a side-note: how to not die

[pastel swan]

If you can upload a shuffle to a private YouTube link, that would be super helpful to see what exactly you’re doing

[rancid granite]

the best advice is just be ok with getting your ass kicked

[rancid granite]

he's typing and reading instead of playing

be ok losing, Q next

youll learn a lot

:)

[fierce elm]

I mean he could be doing it between queues

who knows

But really, none of this is practical advice for someone struggling the way he is

[pastel swan]

It took me 1500 rounds to get 2400 on my rogue. Thats a lot of rounds. But I had never played rogue ever and it was my 2nd ssn of pvp

I sucked ass until like 1000 rounds in

Then shit clicked

I was hardstuck 1700 one season ago

[exotic forge]

He's typing. Let him reply

[pastel swan]

Yes daddy

[sour crag]

Okay, so even if I still focus on doing as much damage as possible, I'm still ignorant WHEN and HOW to inflict as much damage when training a target if they're still gonna keep outrunning me. Like, if I see a big CD I try to run my mouse over to the big tooltip just to figure out what hell is happening, but that also takes away my focus to do any damage anyway. It's why I'm asking all these questions between matches here, to understand what other classes do and how to counter it.

But if the majority of the answers are (not always, mind you) are "Just get back in the fire, soldier" only for me to keep losing due to ignorance..

People are divided to two sides here telling me how to best learn how to PvP here, I'm trying to make sense of both.

[rancid granite]

just Q next and play

pretend its PvE

[fierce elm]

Alright, let me ask this. What does it matter if they press a big CD?

Worst case they get some damage reduction for x amount of seconds

Best case you still apply pressure

[slow solstice]

all i do 🙂

[fierce elm]

Worst case you take some damage, best case it doesnt matter because you have pressure

You arent at the level where you should even think about what every spec does

because thats just clutter for your brain that doesnt in reality matter

[sour crag]

See, that makes me interpret it as "Just keep bashing despite it's a bubble or a coccoon", which I would had gone behind with. On the other hand, people tell m I should swap.

[fierce elm]

You arent gonna run away, you can usually not swap

I mean there are what, 5? cooldowns that you have to think about

In reality

Bubble, BoP, Evasion, Karma, Cocoon?

[rancid granite]

Ok so you play. You bash a bubble and see you don't do dmg. Lesson learned.

[fierce elm]

You see that you are doing zero damage into it

Worst case you waste x amounts of seconds hitting into something, it happens

But if you lose because of those 6-10 seconds then you already lost anyways in most cases

[sharp meteor]

Killed lock through coco yesterday

[rancid granite]

-play all day
-review and ask questions at the end of the day

[sour crag]

I'm unsure if I can agree it is that simple...

[sharp meteor]

Sometimes can't swap off

[fierce elm]

Alright, now, not to like push the agenda here and be toxic

I am unsure you are the person to discuss something that is PvP oriented

about gameplay strategy

Not being toxic, just that you are a beginner

[pastel swan]

Shaman - Astral Shift and Burrow
Priest - Disperse
Paladin - Blessing of Protection and Divine Shield
Death Knight - Icebound Fortitude
Monk - Karma and Fortifying Brew
Warrior - Die by the Sword and Enraged Regeneration
Rogue - Evasion
Evoker - Obsidian Scales
Druid - Barksin (shitty wall) or Bear form
Mage - Iceblock
Warlock - Unending Resolve and the red fist shield I forgot the name
Hunter - Turtle
DH - Blur and Darkness

If you can learn these, you’re good on defensives mostly

[fierce elm]

This is gonna be so confusing for a new player

[rancid granite]

casn you edit this list and put icons next to it pls

[pastel swan]

That doesn’t count healer shit, but that’s for another day

[fierce elm]

liek absurdly confusing

[pastel swan]

So what he trains through BoP? LMAO

[fierce elm]

Good advice for other people, not good advice for someone dipping their toes in and cant do damage

[slow solstice]

he should just be looking at a nameplate and seeing hp bar not move

like whay

[sour crag]

I mean, I get at least half of the list, I'm familiar with

[fierce elm]

Worst case he does that, who cares?

I have hit into BoP like a dummy and have won games regardless

I have tunneled into Cocoon and won games regardless

[pastel swan]

I’m just trying to help lmao

[fierce elm]

Yeah and that is fair

[pastel swan]

He wants to get better that’s what u avoid hitting into if you can

[pastel swan]

Lmao

[rancid granite]

ive been playing a lot this season and even my brain hurts looking at that list

but im learning slowly by playing the game

[fierce elm]

The game is literally about hitting stuff harder than what they are hitting you when you are playing Warrior

[sour crag]

You two are having very opposite viewpoints, I can se that

[pastel swan]

If I sink all my burst into bubble, that’s fried af

[fierce elm]

I have been in this discord long enough to realize that new players does not need a list of a ton of abilities to understand the game

It can absolutely work for some people

[pastel swan]

He says he recognizes most of them so he has some semblance of defensices

[slow solstice]

hi im new player

[fierce elm]

However, since you cant look at your action bars while hitting a target I assume you arent going to keep an eye out for when someone uses barkskin

[pastel swan]

He said he played in BFA also so that’s not very new

He may just be hardstuck

[rancid granite]

there's just mass amounts of copium and avoidance its unbearable

[sour crag]

Hardstuck is a good word.

[rancid granite]

you're keeping yourself hardstuck with excuses and just, nonsense

[slow solstice]

no hardstuck is not a good word

[rancid granite]

if you dont like WoW dont play lmao

[sour crag]

I'm also generally stressed out because we're nearing the end of the season and I doubt myself.

[rancid granite]

^

[fierce elm]

Also it helps so much that he is playing warrior, because warrior literally has no other strat than to hit something

[pastel swan]

And Afro has a point. You can hit into a lot of walls. It won’t do much but you can.

[rancid granite]

if a videogame stresses you out maybe it's not for you man; also only keeping yourself down by doubting yourself

[fierce elm]

So just slam damage into people, swap off when you see you are doing no damage

[pastel swan]

Hitting into immunities is fried tho but luckily there’s only a handful of them

[fierce elm]

Also yeah, stressing is wild

There are 4 immunities that warrior has to think about iirc

5 if you count evasion

[rancid granite]

its a videogame play and have fun dont care so much if you lose who cares

[pastel swan]

Shit you can shattering throw 3 of them

Hyfr

[sour crag]

I do find WoW fun and I'm generally a casual PvEr/RPer.

[rancid granite]

if you lose lose with grace and learn from the match and Q next

[sour crag]

It's just that Blizzard likes to put nice stuff behind FOMO walls

[fierce elm]

Turns out you have to play the game to get rewards

[rancid granite]

lol

[sour crag]

Yeah I am aware, thank you.

[fierce elm]

Turns out thats a good motivator for people to play the game lmao

[sour crag]

Fine fine. I'll try Afro's method of headbashing against Defs and see how far I go. No brains.

[fierce elm]

Do damage, dont die, have uptime

[pastel swan]

Yeah it’s a good start

[rancid granite]

if you see an obvious bubble and you go 'hey thats a HUGE shield' maybe hit something else

[pastel swan]

You said 500k DPS tops but is that against pet classes and you did it one time?

You needa get to a point where you’re doing 400-500k single target

[exotic forge]

First worry about the basics, and that's your class and what it does. Now, go play the game and do damage

[sour crag]

Uuh. Actually I have a few vids of winnings, I'll look

[slow solstice]

bro if you arent hitting 1m on dummy what are you doing

[exotic forge]

Don't overcumber yourself by trying to learn what every class does from the get go

[fierce elm]

I am hitting 40 million on critters

checkmate

[pastel swan]

I’m sayin

[sour crag]

Right, when we talk amount of damage, do we specifically mean what's told on the Victory/Defeat Screen, or Details?

[pastel swan]

Details Damage Done

[fierce elm]

Details is usually pad damage due to not knowing how to separate pets/totems/etc etc

[slow solstice]

details when hitting a dummy for x period of time

[fierce elm]

It also bugs alot when hitting into shields

[slow solstice]

the damage numbers in arenas dont matter to me

[fierce elm]

If you want raw data, its the victory/defeat screen

It doesnt count padding on pets into its amount

[slow solstice]

the dummy and logs are all that matter

[pastel swan]

It’s a good marker. If he’s constantly at 300k dps he obviously is doing rotation wrong

[sour crag]

?

[pastel swan]

7.44m isn’t a big enough sample size

Someone died in 10 seconds

[slow solstice]

i played a shuffle yesterday that lasted 20 seconds

[rancid granite]

just about got this guy to go play and you guys start on Details talk :l

[slow solstice]

enhance did a funny pve opener and sent someone into next expansion

[fierce elm]

lmao

[pastel swan]

Low MMR shuffles when every round is 25 seconds LMAO

[slow solstice]

🙂

[sour crag]

Right, this is taken seconds after I killed a DH

[slow solstice]

go queue

[rancid granite]

go kill someone in pvp

try your best to pwn them

[pastel swan]

Yeah details does matter. You need to just do more damage and you’ll climb

[slow solstice]

CRANK

[sour crag]

What should be the minimum damage, then?

[pastel swan]

Hit rampage every time and busy to more rampage and use cds off cooldown

[fierce elm]

s t o p

[slow solstice]

stop

do not

[pastel swan]

I mean it varies but on average around 400-600k I’d say

[slow solstice]

damage is not made equal

[fierce elm]

s t o p

[slow solstice]

just hit people and kill them

[rancid granite]

rofl

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[exotic forge]

Minimum this, maximum that. Stop doing that, just hit and kill

[rancid granite]

pretend its PvE and you wanna kill a boss rly quick before it kills you

boom ez

[sour crag]

I mean people tell me to "do more damage" but there has to be a standpoint as to when it starts to become damage?

[slow solstice]

thats what i do

[slow solstice]

what do you mean

[fierce elm]

Standpoint is to do more damage than the round before

[exotic forge]

But don't worry about details or focus on that through the match

[fierce elm]

Always aim to do more damage than the last game/round you played

[rancid granite]

man doing zekvir++ actually taught me a lot and helped my pvp game lmao

[fierce elm]

and it will all work out

[slow solstice]

aint nobody do that content bro

[sour crag]

Why should I even have Details then if it doesn't matter?

[slow solstice]

start hitting 13s

[fierce elm]

fun to look at

I use it mostly to swap to the death tab

just so I can track hunter

[rancid granite]

you can slowly learn what other classes abilities do and what to look for

[slow solstice]

details is not good for you

[fierce elm]

or seeing how my top 7 damage dealing things are dots

which is hilarious

[exotic forge]

Mostly an ego thing, but you can live without it

[fierce elm]

or to see what a wild Hammer of Light I just delivered

[rancid granite]

its used to track demolish hits mainly

or HoL lmao

[pastel swan]

U saw lvladens video? Its super bugged or needed

Neefed

[fierce elm]

its extremely weird

[pastel swan]

Nerfed

Don’t talk about other classes abilities ur confusing ppl

WTF wrong with you

[fierce elm]

Its such a weird ability

have seen it hit 500k into no defensives

[pastel swan]

Wow

[fierce elm]

seen it non-crit 2 million

[exotic forge]

Weren't you just doing that

[fierce elm]

its so fucking weird

[pastel swan]

I hit a back to back 2.7 mil and 1.5 bc I had lights deliverance at 48

[fierce elm]

Its just weird

[pastel swan]

Lmao I’m joking bc he said that

[sour crag]

right, I'll just delete Details then, if milestones aren't needed for my current predicament.

[rancid granite]

the light cant answer every prayer

[exotic forge]

[pastel swan]

Crusader gone in the new light nice

Mice

[rancid granite]

look at it and learn from it 🤷

[sharp meteor]

Details needs arena setting

[sour crag]

learn what exactly?

[rancid granite]

anything

[pastel swan]

Hahahahaa

[fierce elm]

Details shows abilities

[rancid granite]

whatever you want

[fierce elm]

and what they do

if you wanna glance at that

[pastel swan]

Pls

[fierce elm]

However, you can do w.e you want big man

[rancid granite]

click on enemy warrior 'oh rampage does most dmg' idk whatever

[sharp meteor]

[exotic forge]

You can live without it tbh

[sharp meteor]

Idk meters usually useless

[sour crag]

Right, I forgot about that feature. I rarely over over the abilities.

[rancid granite]

the more you play the more EXPERIENCE you get and the more you learn

[sour crag]

good point

[fierce elm]

Gotta see Execute and be depressed over its lack of damage on arms

[exotic forge]

Only reason I use details is to prove I can do more damage as smf in a lobby

[rancid granite]

topping dps and still losing hurts though

[exotic forge]

That's the neat part

I didn't lose

[rancid granite]

lol

[fierce elm]

Anyways, go play Plunderstorm

for epic pirate mogs

The plunder gain is wildly fast

[exotic forge]

I got 1,5k plunder from my 1st match wtf did they do to it

[fierce elm]

yeah

[exotic forge]

I'm not complaining but hot damn

[fierce elm]

Played for like 20 minutes and got the full last plunderstorm transmog lmao

[urban skiff]

How ethical is it to teach my oldest kid to cheat her peers at board/card games via sleight of hand?