pvp

[urban skiff]

reddit is great for collecting data like this by the way

Someone posting complaints twice a day about MMR and how they're facing 0 cr people

[elfin surge]

shuffle was a failed experiment

[urban skiff]

I think shuffle could still be made to work

[elfin surge]

KAP

[green wharf]

it needs a better mmr system

and more people playing

but blizz is focused on M+ as always

god forbid they make the pvp better

[urban skiff]

What we need is a tournament mode instead of a full on shuffle

[lavish quest]

Shuffle gave arena a couple more years of life

Actual arena was dying before it and already dead to most

[urban skiff]

I think the real arena killer was the lfg tool / community

[lavish quest]

We are in our anti social Era queens, embrace it

[urban skiff]

as in specifically how to play what you like instead of the only x number of meta specs

I know if my only way to pvp was by going into LFG and finding other people, I wouldn't touch the game at all

Dealing with rejection after rejection is just not conductive for a video game hobby

[elfin surge]

shuffle is noob bracket

[lavish quest]

We old now. Our childhood is dying. Such is life

[lavish quest]

Only bracket*

[urban skiff]

i mourned mine and i'm living through the joy of my children

[elfin surge]

anyways

PLUNDERSTORM HYPE

[urban skiff]

plunderstorm is a noob mode

[lavish quest]

Will probably rivals when home still

[urban skiff]

i caved in

just need my wife to finish her exam tomorrow and we can finally go back to game nights

[lavish quest]

Just tell her to quit school, wtf

[urban skiff]

Dude no

I'm investing in her future so she can make the monies

[lavish quest]

It's pretty good. Reminiscent of the old OW days

[sour crag]

Wait wait, rating inflation? This is all news to me

What does that mean for me?

[urban skiff]

it's nothing, don't think about it

[sour crag]

k

[slow solstice]

it means just play the game

[lavish quest]

College doesn't make money anymore

[urban skiff]

We're in Denmark, this is school specifically for IT security stuff

Like a trade school but for IT

What's the point of a 10 year younger wife if you can't make her make all the monies

[lavish quest]

Isn't that what OnlyFans is for?

[urban skiff]

OnlyFans is saturated and she's tired of modeling

[lavish quest]

The cap on rating raises over time

Start of the season even the best players can't get 2400 because blizz gate keeps it

So easier to get higher rating later into the season

But we already late into the season so you ain't gonna get a big impact that you haven't already. You just gotta win to go up homie

[lavish quest]

So job deleted in a few years?

[urban skiff]

how?

It's security

[lavish quest]

AI

[urban skiff]

in a world where russia and usa are trying to divide greenland

Ain't now way anyone is using AI for cyber security

[lavish quest]

They'll use it to make 10 cyber security dudes do the work of a 100

[fickle forge]

AI is the fakest hype train to date

Executives out here trying to make AI do stuff it can't do

[urban skiff]

AI for programming does not work.

[fickle forge]

And replace people that are essential for tasts it cannot perform

[lavish quest]

Yet*

[fickle forge]

Won't in the near forseeable future bro

AI isn't nearly as good as some people make it out to be

[lavish quest]

Already deleted thousands upon thousands of jobs 🤷‍♂️

[urban skiff]

it won't, the way LLMs work is that it takes the most likely thing and puts it in. But code has a LOT of fluff

I can't explain it, let me find a video

[fickle forge]

And created thousands of liabilities along the way

[urban skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dBKuXwW6Ovs?feature=share

[fickle forge]

At most I use an AI to correct my syntax errors in my codes

[urban skiff]

ok so check this guy, he explains the issue

[urban skiff]

I use AI to scan through 80 page contracts and find inconsistencies. It's excellent for that

[lavish quest]

Welcome to progress my friend

The cycle of advancement repeats

[fickle forge]

Yeah it's good for those kind of small feats

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[fickle forge]

But then again, that's literally just a find and replace function in Word

It's not special at all

[urban skiff]

there's only room for that kind of progress in a world that isn't on fire. Imma remind you that Russia and the USA are literally trying kickstart a world war right now

I work in the energy sector. Cyber security is HUGE right now and it's the kind of thing you absolutely do not outsource

[lavish quest]

In response to

[lavish quest]

Progress never stops

[fickle forge]

AI is also what gets you banned in all your games when you've been mass reported by a small group

[urban skiff]

again, I work in the energy sector. I talked a few months ago with the head of it security and he told me just how many attacks they have. PER HOUR

It's only gonna ramp up and you cannot keep up with hackers and cyber attacks with AI

[lavish quest]

The possibilities are truly endless

[lavish quest]

But you can reduce the workforce with it

[fickle forge]

We've never had any machinery in the industry be unsupervised by a human being, and AI is no different. It's a tool, but it's not suited to replace anyone

[urban skiff]

tbh I caught a pretty big mistake that a subcontractor was trying to exploit. Saved us 4.4m dkk

[urban skiff]

I'm saying you can't.

[sour crag]

On a personal positive note: Am back on thr 1800 bracket, slowly tumbling upstairs.

[lavish quest]

So, original point, job being deleted, would still apply

[urban skiff]

You can create the illusion of having reduced it in the short run, while you ramp up tech debt and then if you're a CEO you skidaddle before reality comes to collect

[lavish quest]

Only a smaller % of the best would make it by

[lavish quest]

Inflation?

[lavish quest]

This has happened endless times before, and will happen again

[urban skiff]

again again again again. You do not outsource cyber security and using AI is outsourcing if you aren't running it on your own LLM and even on your own chips

[lavish quest]

Car replace horse. Email replace mail.

[urban skiff]

AI is a tool. You need humans to operate the tools.

[lavish quest]

But less of them

[urban skiff]

You can claim that tools made us need less people

But you're wrong

We have more people than we've ever had and we have very few people who aren't at work

[lavish quest]

Unless you follow math?

[urban skiff]

more tools does not unemploy people

[lavish quest]

We have a growing % of people not working

[urban skiff]

don't math me

[lavish quest]

At least in US

[urban skiff]

you do, we don't

[urban skiff]

because you're in the middle of being absolutely flensed by a ruling class

[lavish quest]

So US is further on the path

[urban skiff]

The US is walking into a forest on fire and thinking everyone else is going to same direction

[fickle forge]

US would terminate their entire working force if they could replace it with AI

If it's cheaper or free, they'll get rid of resources in an instant

[sour crag]

Not sure what work politics has to do with pvp, by the way...

[urban skiff]

this is important pvp talk

[craggy geyser]

lol amen Kraanos

[fickle forge]

We're PvP'ing this conversation

[lavish quest]

People in general would

[urban skiff]

nah

[fickle forge]

Nope

[lavish quest]

Not politics, technology talk

[urban skiff]

People just want to live in peace and eat well

[lavish quest]

This is a simple misunderstanding of human behavior

[urban skiff]

There's a nation of very greedy people who think they deserve the world and THOSE people would try to do anything to get all the monies

[craggy geyser]

China?

[lavish quest]

You think only the US has human nature?

[urban skiff]

Meanwhile my dream is to become a consultant and run a company where I can make sure every employee is paid fairly and has to work as little as possible

[urban skiff]

I think I don't trust americans on what is normal and ethical behavior

[craggy geyser]

Who do you trust

[urban skiff]

Saluting a flag every day at school is not normal

[craggy geyser]

Hahahahah

[urban skiff]

Try reading a management book written by an american and one written by a scandinavian

Two entirely different ways of viewing people

One is a recipe for being a tyrant. The other is noblesse oblige.

[lavish quest]

You don't have to trust Americans.
Just know how people, and animals in general operate

[craggy geyser]

Amen

[urban skiff]

I think you're misunderstanding me:

I don't trust the observations made by Americans about what is normal human behavior.

[lavish quest]

Think that's been gone for years

Unless you mean pride lul

[urban skiff]

Every day I see people here who don't act or think like americans.

[craggy geyser]

Where do you live zercher*

[urban skiff]

Denmark

[craggy geyser]

You been to US?

[lavish quest]

And for all of the non Americans who come to the same understanding?

Especially before America's existence?

[urban skiff]

name one

[craggy geyser]

Zercher. Where in the US have you visited. Curious

[copper fox]

Sounds like a chronically online opinion

[urban skiff]

I am deeply concerned that you think I have to visit the US to know what US culture is like

[copper fox]

You do lol

[craggy geyser]

I didn’t say that

[copper fox]

Otherwise you only know media

[urban skiff]

Come on man. Don't try that weird reddit run-around-gotcha thing

[green wharf]

we already reach peak a.i with a.i girlfriends

[copper fox]

AI girlfriends for everyone soon

[green wharf]

we only need to wait till they make the real robots and fuse with the a.i for the greater good

no more wars, only catgirls

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-2049-cyber-punk-blade-runner-gif-5175634328583601993

[craggy geyser]

However, you’re basing what you know about America on either the media, or conversations with people online. Imagine that? I have plenty of Swedish friends. I have no basis for judging or assuming what people in Sweden act like or value morally. It’s okay to hate America or its people. We’ve got nice teeth and can say whatever we want online. Epically now since daddy is coming back to the White House 🤣

[lavish quest]

So... like... a random non american who knows what human nature is?

[copper fox]

All jokes aside. If you haven’t been to a country you absolutely don’t truly understand its culture. Especially if it’s a country with multi cultural aspects

[green wharf]

everything you need to know about the usa is on twitter

[urban skiff]

Actually I'm basing it off of management classes and how to manage people from different cultures.

I have like 7 books on my shelf right now covering this subject

[green wharf]

[lavish quest]

Wild to think human nature is some American thing apparently

[urban skiff]

actually no, i think the books are in a box now

i had to make room for lego

[copper fox]

Books? Seriously lol

Dude

Stop

[craggy geyser]

Hahahahahaha

[copper fox]

What a meme

[urban skiff]

anti-intellectualism

So huge in USA right now

[craggy geyser]

Anti-America

[green wharf]

what are u, a mage?

[urban skiff]

Shocker

[green wharf]

books

[copper fox]

You can’t read a book and understand current culture the same way as traveling to the location

[craggy geyser]

Keep paying your 53% tax in Denmark

May have to sell a book or two

[copper fox]

I just left Italy, you can’t get what I experienced in a book brother

[urban skiff]

thanks AI

[copper fox]

If you think you can you’re just untraveled and uncultured

[urban skiff]

you use your passport much?

[copper fox]

Yes?

[craggy geyser]

Imagine valuing being independent and personal freedom and then listening to some dope on discord from Denmark tell you how wrong that is?

FOH

[copper fox]

I literally just spent 2 weeks in Italy. I’ve been to Russia, china, Germany… should I continue?

Go read your books and sit home thinking you understand culture

[craggy geyser]

Amen

https://tenor.com/view/george-washington-gif-13524277

[lavish quest]

How old was that book btw?

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-runnning-running-away-im-not-going-running-fast-gif-17460442

[lavish quest]

I imagine it's hard to keep up with how fast culture changes these days

[craggy geyser]

It’s a Mayan relic

[copper fox]

Al Capone is the main character in the book

[craggy geyser]

Bahhahaha

[urban skiff]

I think it's really funny how much you guys are acting like the stereotypical american right now

while proclaiming to be nothing like it

[craggy geyser]

Funny, did your book tell you about this?

[lavish quest]

Bit discrimatory huh?

[copper fox]

Saying you need to travel to understand true culture is an American trait? Weird

[craggy geyser]

Because it knows our culture so well

[urban skiff]

It's getting too trumpy in here for me

[lavish quest]

For someone who read a book on managing americans... you're not managing the Americans too well 🤔

[urban skiff]

I don't want to

[craggy geyser]

There it isssssss couldn’t help himself

[lavish quest]

Trump?
To disagree?

[copper fox]

Ah yes. Trump said “you must travel to other countries to truly understand their culture”

[craggy geyser]

Hahahahaha

[copper fox]

That was my favorite speech of his

[craggy geyser]

This guy is a dope

[lavish quest]

So narrow and close minded tbh

[green wharf]

We need some hamburguers then

[copper fox]

The arrogance from zercher is comical.

[urban skiff]

they'll steal that too

[craggy geyser]

It’s stupid

[urban skiff]

lol

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-time-for-barbecue-bbq-grill-happy-gif-4302519

[urban skiff]

i never claimed to be anything I'm not.

[lavish quest]

The superiority complex is high

[copper fox]

Who did

[elfin surge]

🦅🫡🇺🇸

[urban skiff]

oh shit a flag, let's stand up and salute!

[elfin surge]

USA #1

[urban skiff]

USA better than #1

USA #0

[fierce kite]

are the 0.1% titles for shuffle and blitz spec specific? or overall ladder?

[elfin surge]

spec

[urban skiff]

they should be spec

[lavish quest]

Shuffle spec for sure, blitz, dunno probably

[copper fox]

Yea they’re all spec

[fierce kite]

So its 0.1% of all furys etc? How come it only says 8 on the tracking websites? do you have to get above a certain rating?

[urban skiff]

it says 17 on EU

[lavish quest]

Probably because 0.1% = 8 players I imagine

[elfin surge]

cutoffs havent updated in 30 days breh

[copper fox]

Says 18 on US

[fierce kite]

ah okay, im just really bad a maths

[urban skiff]

updated?? It's a website and simple math, it shouldn't need updating

[fierce kite]

what website is this?

[urban skiff]

seramate

[elfin surge]

the 17 had alts that were in the cutoff at the time creating spots

might not be in there anymore

[fierce kite]

so 0.1% of a spec is only like 15 chars? god i suck at maths

[elfin surge]

15 characters might be less actual players

alts of the same acc dont take spots

[urban skiff]

Quick search puts fury at 5004 players in shuffle

Puts it at 5 total, so maybe the 17 is because it's removiing alts from the top so it's down to the 17th spot?

[fierce kite]

oh right yeah because you have to win 50 rounds dont you. Thought it would just be all the characters

[craggy geyser]

The homie @elfin surge 💪🏼💪🏼❤️

[elfin surge]

what

[urban skiff]

that's what seramate says

it seems stupid low

[fickle forge]

I thought Blizz limited shuffle to only 1 R1 spot per spec per account

[urban skiff]

oooh

leaderboard stops at 5k

[urban skiff]

they did

Thanks to big dam et al

[elfin surge]

thats what i said

[urban skiff]

wait, fdk was 5.3k

[elfin surge]

the 17 was inflated from alts

i dont know how many actual spots there are

[urban skiff]

what is going on with this list? is it broken?

[fierce kite]

is the leaderboard stops at 5k, that means there are more? How is 0.1% like 5 people then, or am I really really bad at maths

[fickle forge]

API only informs 5k

Blizz ain't giving you more info

[elfin surge]

I thought it was like 1100cr then you're counted into the pool

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge nakkefilet

[fierce kite]

So how many of a spec typically get those titles? has that ever been disclosed?

[fickle forge]

Probably not though

Why do you ask, are you close to the cutoff?

[fierce kite]

lik 2.4K, wondering what I need to aim for

[fickle forge]

Kotelet

[fickle forge]

I'm gonna make a rough estimate and say 2650 at min

[urban skiff]

nakkefilet with a COWBOY COLESLAW YEEHAW 🇬🇧

[elfin surge]

too early to tell

[fickle forge]

The final push for titles hasn't happened yet, it'll go up when we approach season end

[elfin surge]

cutoff spikes hard last few days of the season

[urban skiff]

do you remember how much?

Or how early

[elfin surge]

From recent expansions if you cant play the last 4-7 days of the season you wont get r1

even if you're #1 ladder

i remember nahj missing it when we went go blizzcon after getting #1 ladder or something

[fickle forge]

The real PvP in a season happens when the 2 weeks notice is given

[copper fox]

Disc r1 shot up 200 points the last few days of crimson

[fickle forge]

Tbf that was Crimson

The giga inflated season

[urban skiff]

that seems unreasonable.. How much would you have to play per day to keep up?

[copper fox]

True

[elfin surge]

warrior usually has a lot of spots so it doesnt spike as hard as the specs like feral or enh that only get 4 spots

[urban skiff]

does blitz have 0.1% equivalent?

[copper fox]

Yea it has the same r1 %

Same thing for alts too

[elfin surge]

you really just need to spam until you get a 6-0 that pushes you into safe

[slow solstice]

how do i 6-0 mr mud

[urban skiff]

I don't play in that end of the ladder, I'm just curious about what it's like for people who do. Is one 6-0 really enough?

[urban skiff]

and it's forged warlord/marshal this time?

[copper fox]

Last 2 days yes it is… assuming you don’t 0-6 immediately after

Yea

[urban skiff]

idk if I'm loving it

[elfin surge]

yeah the last spot and #1 are usually just one 6-0 away

[copper fox]

Don’t worry. PRIZED SEASON 2 COMING

[urban skiff]

What if someone else 6-0's? You just have to do another?

Oh prized I can get behind

[fickle forge]

Pretty much yeah

[fierce kite]

so is there a maximum amount of spots? is it the top 100?

[fickle forge]

There are people that miss their titles because of it

[urban skiff]

people hate the weapon illusion so much I might finally have to break principle and push for that

Just so I can steamroll them with a robo gnome or vulpera throwing all the coins

[elfin surge]

fury r1 this seas i would just aim for top 10

[fickle forge]

Top 10 fury would be like 2850 or smth at season end probably

[fierce kite]

what did you mean by fury gets a lot of spots? what determines this?

[copper fox]

Number of people playing the apex

Spec

[elfin surge]

popular spec

warrior usually had a lot of r1 spots

[fickle forge]

It's top 0.1%, so it's dependant on how many people play it

[fierce kite]

oh okay

[urban skiff]

@elfin surge If i go from having no way at all to track enemy defensive/offensive cooldowns (or a way to see that they pop them/duration), how much would you expect my rating to jump up?

just a thought experiment

[copper fox]

Is that assuming you understand your dmg rotation well?

[slow solstice]

+300 min surely

[copper fox]

If so you can definitely be 2.4 knowing your rotation + having a way to track and trade CDs

[slow solstice]

i just realized i have gladius set up

and i dont even look at it

🙂

[copper fox]

Gio is pve bum and he’s 2.2+

[slow solstice]

🙂

[urban skiff]

yeah, rotation decent. Currently actively playing without ways to track enemy cds because I like being surprised

[slow solstice]

im appraoching

[fickle forge]

If you can do damage, you're probably duelist at least

[copper fox]

Tracking changes the game yea

Gio I’ve been flopping recently ngl

More red than green

Not good

I solely blame BM + hpal lobbies

Not myself ofc

[slow solstice]

i believe in you brother

[fickle forge]

Holy shit the fury and arms diff on rankings

[slow solstice]

no one plays arms

[urban skiff]

how to stay interested past 1800?

[slow solstice]

[slow solstice]

fun

?

[urban skiff]

the rewards are so boring I'd rather just stay a meme

[slow solstice]

number go up

idk

[fickle forge]

I cannot tell you, I don't have any

[slow solstice]

do big dam

[urban skiff]

I'm doing big dam by making more shamans

I'll be the 1800 big dam

[slow solstice]

that mickey mouse class only is good because of pve

[fickle forge]

Only thing that motivates me to Q is to face better people

[slow solstice]

that shit is so overtuned

[urban skiff]

bro I'm innocent

I'm definitely not overtuned

[verbal tangle]

Bro shut the fuck up lmao

[urban skiff]

what motivates me is fun fights, but the higher my rating goes, the less interesting the fights become

[verbal tangle]

Before they nerf our ass into the dirt

[fierce kite]

what site is this

[urban skiff]

the build is dead on PTR

😦

I mean it isn't literally dead, but removing Ride the Lightning makes stormstrike sound not good anymore

[verbal tangle]

I mean as long as I can autistically mash Stormstrike we gucci

That shit is more dopamine than Execute

[green wharf]

already happening

[verbal tangle]

so I need to roll Mage, surely they will nerf Mage as well

[fierce kite]

[green wharf]

nerfing mages

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-a-good-one-gif-13993813984575052097

[urban skiff]

try removing ride the lightning and tell me it's still as fun 😦

but you have to admit, I was right about this enh build being amazing fun, right?

[verbal tangle]

It's fucking dumb

You just have a spergout hitting Stormstrike

[lavish quest]

How do I push 2200?

[copper fox]

I aspire to be that green

Never press q

Easy 2200

[fickle forge]

Got way too many days between my Qs

Haven't Q'd since Jan 2nd though

[lavish quest]

I'm 2283 now, I'm having a hard time dropping back down

😉

[urban skiff]

it's amazing

[copper fox]

I was thinking about pushing r1 if I can hit 2700 soonish but I keep getting crushed any time I touch 2600 lol

Demoralizing

[fickle forge]

I'm expecting R1 for arms to be like 2.7k

[copper fox]

Yea sounds about right

[lavish quest]

One day ill get my R1 at 1200

[fickle forge]

Every so often I tell myself I'll get R1 shuffle

But I'm void of that feeling as soon as I look at the Q button

[copper fox]

That’s why I want a healer alt next season lol

[urban skiff]

hpal?

I hear prevoker is pretty good but you can't ever relax

[wheat jay]

its not skill that determines shuffle rating

its patience

look at Vesa

[copper fox]

That’s what I’m leaning towards

[urban skiff]

made one, levelled it, geared it, never touched it after

All I had to do was queue up and c'est la vie

[green wharf]

i would do more shuffle if the time in q wasnt the same as blittz

too much stress for little gain

[copper fox]

lol I just hit 80 I was going to ret but I think hpal is the move

[urban skiff]

queue shuffle and blitz at the same time. Queue progresses on one while in the other, when you get out you queue back up and will get into the alternating one soon

[urban skiff]

i just want to do big dam heals and look cool

turns out hpal don't really do big dam

[green wharf]

[copper fox]

I wanna sit 40 and collect points

Opposite of fury. Sitting 0 yards away

[sour crag]

So, what does this mean for me exactly? I'm still lost about mmr

[slow solstice]

just win

dont think

[lavish quest]

You are playing in a lobby where the average mmr is higher than your own

All we can tell

If you lose, you will lose less than normal, if you win, you will gain more than normal

Gluck

[rancid granite]

glad im not alone in this

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[slow solstice]

i mean nothing has changed

[rancid granite]

how i see people talk about MMR

like leland

[slow solstice]

i mean they are right

but it means nothing if you are here talking and not playing

[rancid granite]

if you lose you lose if you win you win, and the more you win the more you climb

so eyeing the mmr and this and that is just, well, it doesnt matter other than to play mind games

[elfin surge]

I check the mmr of the lobby as I join.

[torn sigil]

Half the people in here will literally do anything except just play the game

[elfin surge]

well half the people in here dont play the game

@fickle forge

[fickle forge]

I went to a metal concert yesterday with Alestorm

Was a lot more lit than WoW

[sour crag]

SO I face both Shadow Priest and Elemental shaman and once again the juggling was too immense for my small brain

[copper fox]

Why did you get off the shadow priest

[elfin surge]

train the sp man

the one class we counter

[copper fox]

Yea they can’t even move

They’re bums

[elfin surge]

They are also noobs

[rancid granite]

what does this serve other than to psych yourself out before the game even starts?

[sour crag]

Yeah but isnt Ele very poweful flankers?

[elfin surge]

I also check the ratings and win rates of my healers

[copper fox]

What is a flanker in wow

[rancid granite]

sounds like psyching yourself out pre-match

[fickle forge]

WoW doesn't have flanking

[sour crag]

Shooting at me while I train someone

[rancid granite]

for no real benefit

[copper fox]

Just always kill sp

[fickle forge]

You only psych yourself out if you're intimidated easily

[elfin surge]

negative win rate noobs will get attacked

[sour crag]

People in the arena told me to go at ele? Shrug

[fickle forge]

Not a thing in WoW

A caster is gonna cast no matter who you train

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-dog-stare-gif-9031353

[elfin surge]

lol

[sour crag]

Also I did the stupid thing of not putting on pvp gear on the first rround because I was in ther middle of a delve. facepalm

[fickle forge]

We're back to the point where we need to see a VOD to really help

[elfin surge]

you were probably spam reported

knowing the community

[fickle forge]

This juggling between targets can't be good man

[sour crag]

Nah I didn't juggle, I was focusing on the wrong target and followed peer pressure.

[elfin surge]

It depends really sometimes its good

fury just hits anything it can have the most uptime

[fickle forge]

You ain't gonna get kited by a shadow priest man

[sour crag]

Yeah that shaman knew what it was doing

[elfin surge]

Some drag you into bad spots

[sour crag]

Meanwhile the priest tossed black holes at me.

[elfin surge]

Normally if your team is playing with you its fine

but sometimes they ignore you and want to pve all game

[fickle forge]

ye fr

When you play hybrid into hybrid and both casters kite back

[elfin surge]

People need to understand how to enable a fury warrior

[sour crag]

I generallt try to pick a main target which has the least mobility.

[fickle forge]

I yell at people to push with me and push ports etc.

[sour crag]

Even if they're constantlyt hugged by the healer

[fickle forge]

And they still be playing like it's MLX

[elfin surge]

Yeah I have to tell casters that too

hey mage the two melee are training me all game maybe you should get off the pillar and push for cc

[rancid granite]

they playing like its an fps peeking around corners

[sour crag]

Worst feeling is when I secondguess if my healer can't keep up with me, especially around corners.

[fickle forge]

Had a WLX mirror on Tol'vir where I had to sometimes cross 60 yd to swap off their lock and swap the warr

[sour crag]

then I stop and have to run back bcause my worst fear is failing due to LOS

[fickle forge]

So I don't sit there playing 1v2 like a clown

While their warr is also being made out to be a clown

[elfin surge]

people that refuse to push in the enemy warlocks port piss me off

[fickle forge]

I hate it so much

[urban skiff]

Them hugging a healer is a great thing. Stacking on healer will double your pressure when accounting for ms effects, if your partner doesn't have ms

[fickle forge]

We still win cause their clown warr is 100 yd away from his Hpala

And I just fear both and swap him

[sour crag]

ms?

[urban skiff]

Mortal strike effect. Healing reduction

[elfin surge]

i bet that game was fun chasing a warlock with double freedoms

[fickle forge]

Triple freedom with the port

[urban skiff]

I guess double is maybe a bit of hyperbole. More like 60% extra pressure

[elfin surge]

i love fighting assa affi hpal in 3s

fun balanced comp

[fickle forge]

I hate that that comp has resurfaced

It's every other game now

Two apes triple DoT'ing and then reading a book while they win

https://tenor.com/view/im-from-the-cityyyyyy-gif-4548670119770313438

[elfin surge]

66% snare from rogue

freedom all game

kidney spammed and disarmed

rogue players should never complain about the game

[rancid granite]

they'll complain more than any other class lmao

[fickle forge]

@fierce elm That's you btw bro

He's complaining about you

[wheat jay]

@fierce elm ye fuck you afro

[rancid granite]

i play assa and ill say it too screw that guy

[wheat jay]

gay

rat

pick one

[rancid granite]

its 2025 you can't say the g word anymore bro

not until trump is officially in office anyway

[wheat jay]

EZ

[wheat jay]

every company removed dei already

so its back in the use

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-ew-pirate-software-i-don't-like-that-no-gif-17672107225346876010

[wheat jay]

nah

hes not

[fickle forge]

Artji calling people rat while he's playing DH

[elfin surge]

Pirate software drama is so good

[wheat jay]

it is

one dude says run

mage runs

dude says "WE CAN PLAY IT" proceeds to not press a single global for the entire pull xD

[elfin surge]

i dont blame him for running cuz its hc

but hes also bad

did nothing

then went full ego

I dont think run means every man for himself

otherwise no tank would survive

[wheat jay]

they'd all survive if they all ran tho xd

rogue could stun boss afaik

he didnt do shit XD

they all played ass

[elfin surge]

bad pull

bad mage

[wheat jay]

bad rogue

[elfin surge]

I think its funny how the day before he was saying how mages have the ability to save a group with their utility and how hes that mage

[wheat jay]

dude i have to play those shuffles alone i swear to god XD

[wheat jay]

ye lol

also, what the fuck was snupy doing xD?

[elfin surge]

no dash

got boss aggro

sat bear

[rancid granite]

found a good ted talk for all of you

[elfin surge]

these multi gladiators and multi rank ones are gatekeeping me from my 1800

[fickle forge]

And back to logging out

[rancid granite]

lololol

also thats 20 mins of a good stretch/mobility work

[wheat jay]

animals in shuffle man i swear

[wheat jay]

that's why i dont play classic

especially hc xD

you get a group

bunch of idiots

and you can lose months of gameplay because someone is dogshit

or in their case, whole group

[elfin surge]

yeah classic has the absolute worst players

[wheat jay]

also who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to go to a dungeon with a mage who doesnt even have his skills bound, druid who never played classic, and a panicky rogue player who's a LoL player

[lavish quest]

Like someone who knows something?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198213371154153484.gif?quality=lossless&name=ragey&size=48

[rancid granite]

useless info just win and youll climb

[fickle forge]

Here we go man

[lavish quest]

Say that to the top players who can't hit 2400 at start of season despite "just winning"

[wheat jay]

he ain't wrong man

[rancid granite]

i'd play LoL with a friend who would check MMR/ranks pre-match and just get pre-tilted about it all the time and it'd just make him perform worse

[lavish quest]

The guy asked about how MMR worked. Not how to ignore everything and play dumb

So I answered the asked question

[wheat jay]

i've no clue what youre talking about btw

[lavish quest]

🤷

[rancid granite]

higher mmr can bomb lower mmr can pop off you don't know how it'll play out til you start the match

just filling your brain with useless info pre-match

[lavish quest]

Our resident hard stuck 1800 goatman asked how mmr inflation worked

[wheat jay]

you mean skill of players, or what?

[lavish quest]

I helped explained

[wheat jay]

oh

you wait

you get +10 each week or so

EZ

you get free rating then

cuz you dont lose shit for losing games

unless you lose haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard

like

haaaaaaaaaaard man

[lavish quest]

Aatod doesn't like that I explained it past "just win LOL"

[wheat jay]

xD

i mean

ye

that's pvp

once you have mmr injection

all you gotta do is win

not even super hard stomp

just win something

[rancid granite]

NOPE AND I NEVER WILL its a hill ill die on even if i sound dumb

[lavish quest]

Can just 3-3 and climb with inflation

[rancid granite]

cause so many people freak out over it and focus on it more than the actual game

lol

[wheat jay]

ye

i did just that on hunter lmao

[lavish quest]

You can know things and not focus on it

[lavish quest]

I do that for an ez +20 each week kek

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-asian-boy-child-childish-gif-13894602

[fierce elm]

@urban skiff IT ARRIVED

[lavish quest]

Cause someone always throws a round with me to prevent my ez 4-2s

[wheat jay]

ye lmao

as long as youre somewhat good

[lavish quest]

He's a rat, but a rich rat now

[wheat jay]

you can EASILY get 2400 like that

or 2100 at least

[rancid granite]

grats afro

[fierce elm]

wtf I never complain on rogue

except that I suck on it lmao

90% of stuff I complain about is just down to me playing better

[urban skiff]

She has your eyes, congratulations on the baby

[fierce elm]

Got to drive it for 3km then GF took over lmao

[sour crag]

LEast favorite arenas? Mine's Zandalar.

I hate stairs.

Also, is it just me or are some maps left out of the rotation on Solo? I notice lack of Bastion, for example

[urban skiff]

I don't love the ones that favor ranged

[fierce elm]

They rotate each season

[sour crag]

I zee

[urban skiff]

is there a way ingame to see which are in rotation?

[fierce elm]

I think there is

But I am also stupid and not home

I just roll with it w.e rotation

[urban skiff]

3km is nothing, hit the highway and go speedy

[fierce elm]

It was a smol highway section

But I absolutely gunned it down a straight clear road out of the dealership lmao

[rancid granite]

afro: i got a new car
afro's gf: no, WE got a new car

[fierce elm]

Its technically boths lmao

[copper fox]

Do you hate stairs irl too

[urban skiff]

My wife is not on my car owner paper thingy but her name is on the loan

[fierce elm]

What she doesnt know is that once I get out of school into high paying jobs that I am probably getting something fun for myself : )

Such as the big brother car of this car

She doesnt need to know that though

[urban skiff]

same tbh.

But now she's driving the fun car and i'm in the old one

[fierce elm]

Already looking at the Audi RS3

[urban skiff]

I only just now reclaimed it after 2½ years

[fierce elm]

Which is literally just the big bro car of this

But I also know we need a family car within like 3 years

[urban skiff]

rav4

[rancid granite]

sounded like you were gonna upgrade the gf lmao

[fierce elm]

lmao

This car is absurdly fun though

[urban skiff]

I like that it has verticality

flat maps are gross

I wish lordaeron either had more verticality or none

[fierce elm]

NVM I GET TO DRIVE

The stair maps are just absurdly buggy

[urban skiff]

Zandalar not as buggy as lordaeron

that place is shiiiit

for that part at leasdt

[fierce elm]

The tomb in the middle lmao

[urban skiff]

I never realized just how bad it was until i started playing aug and enh

[sour crag]

Not unless they mess up LoS

[fierce elm]

it is baaad

[urban skiff]

very

What class / spec is Sakamoto?

I want to say outlaw rogue or survival hunter

[sour crag]

Yeah the Lordaeron is not very fun. I also don't like Blackrook either

[urban skiff]

blackrook is my favorite

they just need to fix middle pillar to be smaller or bigger, not sure how to make it bigger without messing up everything else

we've been infiltrated

[sour crag]

Okay I admit, I hate blocks and obscurity. I want an open field

I'm the Total War player who always picks the Open Fields/Steppes maps 😄

[urban skiff]

rate my skirmish

wompwomp

[urban skiff]

any other stairs that are buggy?

[lavish quest]

Those are better maps for war tho

[sour crag]

Once again. Get 1820 during the day, losing it all on the evening. I think I'll avoid queuing during nighttime all over.

Ducking evokers.

Can't DPS, can't heal for shit.

[elfin surge]

[sour crag]

I'm not as angry as I am just tired.

I don't wanna keep doing q if this is gonna keep repeating.

[urban skiff]

you see the pattern, either stop when it's advantageous or keep playing so you get more reps in and can learn more

[sour crag]

You mean like cashing out for the day when I feel the peak?

I admit I am more or less gambling now

[urban skiff]

You could call it gambling

you could call it learning

After all, you learn more from losses than victories, whatever they're teaching you right now is what you need to figure out to raise chances all hours of the day 🙂

[sour crag]

Well I learned I hate evokers becausae I don't understand their deal is. I know Unholy hits like a truck on steroids, and the Arms warrior got smart going after me. I got trained twice by both

Even if I put my deff and try to peel them off, I still got ganged over.

That's the worst feeling, when -I- become the target.

because that also puts me on the mentality that they figured "This guy is the weakest one, lets bully him."

fucking hell, all I want is a weapon illusion for RP.

150 rating more. That's all I ask for.

/rant

Done, trying again tomorrow.

Lost the energy.

Or morale, rather

both maybe.

[urban skiff]

if bro is in here, nice mog

[urban skiff]

dk will try to make sure you're out in the open and not hitting a more desirable target

evoker has big cooldowns and can get cc immune

I want to say 1 minute goes for the evoker is normal

I recommend you play evoker and get a feel for how they play. It's a really fast way to learn how to counter

[sour crag]

I used to main evoker during DF, I have an idea what they're like, I just don't know how they work in pvp. Are they even among the top tier?

[urban skiff]

I don't think it has to be top tier in pvp for it to be worth it specifically for you to learn more

[sour crag]

No but I'm just curious what the meta classes are out there in shuffle

Because how jumbled the matchmathings are, the combinations are whack sometimes.

[urban skiff]

shuffle let's gooo

finally kept queue anxiety at bay long enough to queue up

ripo

[sour crag]

How did it go?

[urban skiff]

still going

lost first round because i was in shock over warrior

biggest praise i've gotten so far

being ignored

[sterile moth]

lol that priest

[sour crag]

Jokes on them.

they haven't met me yet.

[sterile moth]

Zug zug baby

[sour crag]

Can we switch places? 🥲

[urban skiff]

just play enh

every matchup is easy

Or rather, everything is equally hard

[sour crag]

I ain't got time to completely learn a class, gearing up and all that

[urban skiff]

L M A O

m8

there's nothing to learn

all my damage is passive

[sour crag]

dude please dont make have to reconsider my class choice

[urban skiff]

new shuffle

[fierce elm]

DW Enhance gets gutted next season

[sour crag]

One thing I realize with solo shuffle

It's pure chaos with combinations.

It can either become very lucky with who I can throw my shit at, or babysitting someone who can't survive on their own.

[urban skiff]

big

[fierce elm]

So like every matchmaking game

[urban skiff]

guys this isn't going too hot for me

[fierce elm]

lmao rolled

[sour crag]

Yeah but at least with premade there's more room for actual teamwork.

[fierce elm]

Yeah

Hence solo shuffle

everyone is at the same disadvantage

in terms of teammates

[slow solstice]

noob down

[urban skiff]

going down faster than my wife on payday

[sour crag]

Screw this, got to a tie because I got teamed up with a 1200 Fury who got rolled over.

I'll go play Darktide instead.

[fierce elm]

Everyone else also got queued with the 1200 fury player lmao

[sour crag]

I know I know

Let me grumble. 😛

I'm old and have the right to.

I'll queue more tomorrow when I have had coffee.

[hot solstice]

legit shit is so hard without proper dispel

this class is such a wheelchair

[urban skiff]

Why can't i seem to get use out of playing with rogues on my team?

rogue+enh is supposed to be stronk, right?

[hot solstice]

assa enha is

[fierce elm]

Rogue+enhance is pretty decent

[hot solstice]

well kinda niche comp

but better than turbo

[merry cove]

Hello new to warrior where can i find some decent guides how to play it

[fierce elm]

Well, there arent really any good guides out there lmao

I guess Bajheeras is the last relevant one

but even that has some iffy information

[chilly pivot]

if im running afther a target, and running thru another enemys, what abilitys should i use on them when i cant hit my "main" target, i dont wanna waist rampage on the targets i run thru right?

stupid question maby xd'

[merry cove]

So just play and try to figure it out myself or?

[fierce elm]

Pretty much honestly

But it all depends on what you are wondering about

Do you know the basics of PvP etc

[fierce elm]

Just use rampage if you have rage for it

[merry cove]

Well im fairly new to the game

[fierce elm]

no reason to hold rage in PvP

[merry cove]

Have a dk lock and hunter at 2k cr and trying some new classes

[fierce elm]

Yeah, then you practically know the basics

Just get your rotation down, realize that Warrior is gonna struggle more than DK/Lock/Hunter into kite-heavy specs

and just slam games

[merry cove]

Im trying to find what the best rotation is

Or whats the prio list

[fierce elm]

What are you playing

[merry cove]

Fury

[fierce elm]

If Thane Rampage - Execute - Thunderblast whenever it procs - Bloodthirst - Raging Blow
If Slayer Ramapge - Execute - Raging Blow - Bloodthirst

[merry cove]

Ok will try thanks for your help

[fierce elm]

Its a pretty simple rotation

Literally just send rampage whenever it lights up

[merry cove]

What about bladestorm

When is good when not so good

[fierce elm]

Bladestorm is always good to deal damage with

[hot solstice]

nvm bladestorm everything insta blinks out

[merry cove]

Gahah truuu

[fierce elm]

As slayer Bladestorm is your huge burst, but really send bladestorm on any burst

[hot solstice]

lock wont press portal unless u storm

[merry cove]

Thats why my mate plays dk so he can pull him right back in the party

[urban skiff]

guess I just can't make it work in shuffle

went 1-5

[hot solstice]

its just shuffle

[urban skiff]

It was a cursed matchup tbh

[hot solstice]

no dispel no purges

all those healers want caster lobbies so they can all run round a pillar holding hands and singinn songs

[urban skiff]

when playing with ele shaman I'm extremely handicapped, if I can't figure out rogue then it's already 2-4 off the bat

[sour crag]

WHat are fury powerful alongside with them?

[hot solstice]

ele or good sp

[sour crag]

Ranged fire support? 😄

[fierce elm]

Rogue spec?

[urban skiff]

I think the rogue was outlaw or assa

tbh I barely noticed when fighting him

[fierce elm]

Yeah then it should be fine lmao

[urban skiff]

I don't know what to do when he's on my team

but stuff wasn't dying and I pump pretty hard even with wonkyspec

i was landing good hexes, or thunderstorm roots / thunderstorms behind pillar etc

[fierce elm]

I mean if he is outlaw he is just gonna be disruptive and deal damage

if he is assa you dont have to think about what he is doing

[urban skiff]

can i at least blame the losses on him then?

[fierce elm]

He is gonna send Kidney for damage, thats about it

lmao

wait 34m damage

was he sub lmao

nope he was assa

weird

He can triple bleed that very easily

[urban skiff]

Looks like assa on checkpvp

yeah

I'm gonna chalk that up to a really bad team for me

[fierce elm]

you just SUCK

sorry

[urban skiff]

He should have done a ton of damage

I know i suck

but sometimes people who suck still lose because of things out of their control

[chilly pivot]

Is the new Patch next week ?

The big one

[fierce elm]

no?

[chilly pivot]

You say 21e

[fierce elm]

Its not 11.1

[chilly pivot]

What happen next week then

[fierce elm]

Nothing, we were talking about plunderstorm

which is released today for NA tomorrow for EU

[chilly pivot]

Oh ! Nice

[fierce elm]

so its just plunderstorm

[chilly pivot]

I want plunder for ever

With rating/rank system and gamemodes like rated bg, 3vs3 arena, battle Royal

Should be fking insane!

[torn sigil]

Lmao

[exotic forge]

Blunderstorm

[pastel swan]

Is it worth it to play thane into stuff like demo locks or is it just meaningless pad dam

[sharp meteor]

thane into demos pad

spam killing hunter or warlock pets in general tho

or like spirit doggies

feels kind of okay c:

[green wharf]

did they buffed dh or something

their damage

suddenly they are hitting way too hard

[pastel swan]

They’ve never been that bad

Even when ppl said they were bad

[bright kraken]

now this is some pvp i can get behind

[green wharf]

druid i got on a 2k game

[sharp meteor]

https://x.com/donne_xd/status/1878886441717231679

Donne (@donne_xd) on X

2.8 mmr btw

Twitter · Jan 13, 2025, 7:26 PM

[green wharf]

he likes dem stamina

[bright kraken]

silvershard pov

[floral widget]

guys

what wall and up time means on pvp

[slow solstice]

what

[violet fossil]

wall is usually an ability that has damage reduction like die by the sword

and up time refers to how often you can stay on a target

[true tiger]

in duel they are kinda scary but overall they suck

[urban skiff]

On warrior? They scary.
On shaman? They is big joke

For duels

[fierce elm]

@urban skiff the worst part about having a car is knowing you can go and fix stuff that you couldnt otherwise because someone couldnt borrow you a car

Now I gotta do fucking CHORES?

Gotta go return a book, go to Ikea, carried in the summer tires, throw away cardboard boxes

what the FUCK

[lavish quest]

Awww, welcome to being a big boy

[fierce elm]

THIS SUCKS

[lavish quest]

He's growing up

https://tenor.com/view/crying-tears-tearyeyed-about-to-cry-gif-4917303

Just wait until you gotta do repairs and such

Just had to get new tires

• $500

[fierce elm]

oh no

(

:

I will ignore that

[lavish quest]

My AC (for my condo) went out towards the end of last summer. So that'll likely be - $4000

So wait till home ownership

[fierce elm]

Imagine having an AC

I live in Sweden big man, we have cold and less cold

[lavish quest]

So your repairs would be pipes bursting

Same shit, different problem

[fierce elm]

Renting right now so that aint my ISSUE

[lavish quest]

Ye, that's why I said wait till home ownership

[fierce elm]

Call my Landlord 'Whats up BITCH fix my SHIT'

Actually I wouldnt do that

my Landlord is a nice lady who is 72

[lavish quest]

Although millennial onwards aren't owning homes anymore

I am a rare species

[fierce elm]

Waiting to see where I land a job rn

[lavish quest]

The, "Isn't shit with money Sapien"

[lavish quest]

McDonald's always hirin

[pastel swan]

If Sweden has McDonald’s I bet it’s 10x better than it is here in the USA

[lavish quest]

Yeah. I've seen vids of France having much better ones

Pretty sure it's just EU in general cause they have better laws for that kind of thing

[pastel swan]

Mexico too

And canada

How long do chat silences last if it’s the first time

[wheat jay]

first payday after getting a car

is the day he'll spend half of his money on fixes

[lavish quest]

Did he buy used or new?

[urban skiff]

Are you open to moving to Denmark?

[wheat jay]

im fairly sure afro got a new one

tho im not sure

[lavish quest]

Sheet, afro rich?

[fickle forge]

Rich in debt perhaps

[lavish quest]

Embracing the American lifestyle

[true tiger]

enha wins for sure but as ele i barelly beat dhs

[pastel swan]

The most important thing when dueling an enha is to line ascendance and break roots to not get one tapped

I’m also pretty sure disarming during ascedance does something semi useful lmao

[fierce elm]

Depends on pay

[fierce elm]

wtf

I am DEBT FREE

[elfin surge]

hi my little noobies

[pastel swan]

Hey guys which shield for locks do you use Wrecking Throw on? The one with the red fist?

[lavish quest]

Used or new?

[fierce elm]

New

the used market is fucked here

[lavish quest]

I don't bother anymore

[fierce elm]

Like majorly fucked

[lavish quest]

It's almost useless

[fierce elm]

You get a 2016 Volvo v70 for like 24k

its wild out here

[lavish quest]

No debt?

Big baller huh

[fierce elm]

Debtfree

Smart

[pastel swan]

I’ve been taking spear a lot even tho it’s not BiS. It’s satisfying against mages who waste blinks then I shatter their block lmao

[fierce elm]

Been working since I was 18 lmao

Havent spent shit

[lavish quest]

Same when I got my car

I did put it on a loan, but I had the money to buy cash. I just did the loan for a lil bit to get the credit boost

I'm in 84k of debt for my condo tho

[fierce elm]

Credit already good so fuck it

we ballin

[urban skiff]

You bought the car without a loan?

[lavish quest]

I bought mine in 2018 so I was still starting out and building initial credit

My credit now is excellent 😎

[fierce elm]

im ballin

Keep in mind, me and GF has had a split economy for 5 years

[urban skiff]

Can tell you guys don't have the Danish car tax

[fierce elm]

So yeah

we doign good

[lavish quest]

What is a split economy?
That just mean you split bills?

[pastel swan]

I noticed not a lot of ppl play bloodcraze. The guides for fury seems to prio 5 stacks of that buff for bigger bloodthirsty. Did something change where it’s not as good

Magnus said he prios bloodthirst over raging blow I think yesterday

[fierce elm]

Everythin

is joint

[lavish quest]

Oh, gross

[urban skiff]

Shared economy. All money into one pool.
No big purchases without consulting your partner, etc

[fierce elm]

yeah

[wheat jay]

richboi

i got laguna3 from 2007 XD

[urban skiff]

I did buy a big lego though without consulting her. But it's an investment.

[fierce elm]

We get 300 ish each

for individual purchases/saving

Otherwise its all joint

[lavish quest]

I run solo, but... I'm also not a big spender so... 📈

[lavish quest]

You lucky to have a car considering you weren't working :p

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[wheat jay]

I mean

My previous car ended up like this

[fierce elm]

not a big spender

oh wait

[lavish quest]

[urban skiff]

SEK or euro?

We do the same, but she gets more because she also buys necessary clothes for the kids and me.

[lavish quest]

Don't let em flank you

I heard ele is a good flanker but come on

[fierce elm]

euro

[wheat jay]

I got hit by a suv xD

[exotic forge]

Yikes

[lavish quest]

My only accident was some idiot flying by me on the driver's side, and trying to lane change immediately when there wasn't enough room (vehicle in her lane only like 15-20 ft in front of me)

But she was in a rental car so she probably got fucked

I just got some scratches around the front driver side headlight

[exotic forge]

Funny how today's cars are more likely to be totalled whereas cars from 20 years ago can get away with a few scratches

Tis but a fresh wound

[lavish quest]

My car is recent. It's a 2017