pvp

[fierce elm]

However if you can get your damage numbers up to what you should, you are going to win more games

Sometimes, sometimes not

But you are once more trying to backflip without being able to stand

[true tiger]

what was the addon name that shows defensive or offensive cooldown on enemys icon?

[fierce elm]

Learn how to deal damage and pressure before worrying about your teammates as fury

You bring very little in terms of peel anyways

[sour crag]

Right, I think that kind of indecisiveness is what keeps stunning myself mentally.

[fierce elm]

Deal damage, win games

you arent playing a spec that has great peel either way

[sour crag]

I'm still too used thinking as Arms

[fierce elm]

Arms doesnt have great peel either

Warrior is deal big damage prio

[sour crag]

Right, so deal more damage. I need to relearn how the fury rotation works then.

Tips are welcome

what am I better against, DH or Feral?

[fierce elm]

Either

DH sucks so you wont face that a lot

[wheat jay]

dh youre never gonna see lmao

[sour crag]

Well they keep popping up in my matches

[wheat jay]

worst shit in the game

[fickle forge]

You can have a VoD of a shuffle I did in DF on my alt warr if it helps you

[wheat jay]

you should NUKE every dh

[north thicket]

In terms of addons this aura was pretty cool https://wago.io/UHafT-sln

[sour crag]

ok, feral or beast?

[north thicket]

But it's not supported timely :(((

[fierce elm]

What did I just say

About hunter

You aint killing it and you aint gonna have uptime

[sour crag]

feral keeps tanking being a teddybear tho

[fierce elm]

Yeah

Which stops clone spam

But you aint killing hunter

[fickle forge]

If a hunter has all 5 fingers, then he ain't dying

Only @wheat jay will die

Because he refuses to press turtle until 1% and then dies to DoTs in turtle

[sour crag]

clone spam?

[north thicket]

feral is cycloning your healer on DR cd if you havent noticed

[sour crag]

oh, clone as in cyclone

you guys have to be a bit more clear with me 😄

[north thicket]

should warri run away from demonsurge?

[sour crag]

I don't even know what demonsurge is lel

[wheat jay]

how you gonna run from demonsurge when its aoe from his rotation when he's in demon?

how the fuck you gonna run from that

run from meta overall i guess?

[fickle forge]

I saw Artji getting farmed by a sub rogue on his DH yd

[wheat jay]

of course lol

its sub and i play dh

i pre-blur his go and he 100-0 me

fuck you on about kargish xD

[north thicket]

but demonsurge is limited aoe range or

[fierce elm]

Imagine dying to sub

[fickle forge]

Imagine losing to sub smh smh

[fierce elm]

Just hit

[north thicket]

(asking stupid questions, I have no insight in dhs)

ok

[sour crag]

OH, SPEAKING OF!
Could people please tell me the difference between Sub and Assa rogues, and what I should bear in mind if I face both in arena at the same time?

[fierce elm]

Sub rogue is gonna try to one shot you

In a stun

assa will bleed everyone down

Save trinket for sub when he duels you then go insta parry

[wheat jay]

kinda like this

[fierce elm]

Dont trinket SHIT before sub duels you

[wheat jay]

or bombs you

[fickle forge]

He's fury warr

[north thicket]

aha

[fickle forge]

He can just press wall in stun and be fine

[sour crag]

Duel as in when I get surrounded by fog and it's just me and the rogue?

[wheat jay]

so nice that i can use warrior swords on dh mog

[fierce elm]

Yes, thats the only time sub is dangerous

Literallt the only time

[fierce elm]

You say that

[sour crag]

So if I face both Assa and Sub, I should prioritise on Sub?

[fierce elm]

Assa is gonna do 40 million dps

You can hit either there

[fickle forge]

You can also just do /laugh at him in duel because he's a sub rogue and can't kill you

[wheat jay]

he can die through

[fierce elm]

they have the same defensives

[fickle forge]

He cannot bro

[wheat jay]

he can die through

[fierce elm]

Either way, sub is dangerous in duel

[wheat jay]

^

[fierce elm]

assa just does a ton of rot

Hit either

[sour crag]

Remind me what abilities both rogues have which makes me waste damage on? I know the Dodge one, but I feel like they got more def cds

[fierce elm]

Evasion

Cloak of Shadows if they take the PvP talent

[fickle forge]

Just Evasion

[fierce elm]

But cloak is big eh vs fury

[fickle forge]

Dw about Vanish, you won't be seeing him anyway

[fierce elm]

Evasion is the only thing

[sour crag]

I thought Cloak of Shadows is only immune to magic damage

[fierce elm]

PvP talent changes if

it

[sour crag]

I see

[fierce elm]

but they are gonna take disarm over it

[fickle forge]

And it gets removed next season

So dw

[fierce elm]

So Evasion is the only thing

[sour crag]

I've surprisingly faced little disarm this season.

From rogues anyway

[fierce elm]

Because most people hate having another bind lmao

[fickle forge]

That's just 1800 mmr

[fierce elm]

But yeah, evasion is the only thing

[sour crag]

Well I'm back to 1700 mmr so

[fierce elm]

That rogue brings to you in terms of defensives you think about

[dense herald]

guys

do i play thane or slayer

[fierce elm]

There is an idea to go stack on their healer against double rogue

[dense herald]

why am i seeing thane players

[fierce elm]

Thane does damage

is fun

[dense herald]

is it better for cleave or something

[fierce elm]

yes

[sour crag]

So again, if I am facing double rogues, one of each spec, I should just target whichever I feel like?

Also, what about Outlaw?

[fickle forge]

Target the one that isn't outlaw

[sour crag]

Why?

[fickle forge]

Because it's impervious

Afro is the only outlaw rogue on ladder that dies

[sour crag]

What makes Outlaw such a different case, then?

[fierce elm]

Never hit Outlaw

[sour crag]

More defensives?

[fierce elm]

you wont kill it

[fickle forge]

CDR on all defensives

[sour crag]

I thought Outlaw was "lol rng dice"

Never understood the context behind that

[dense herald]

ii think they have like reduced cd on evasion

like 1min evasion

maybe that was shadowlands

[sour crag]

That's kinda crazy

Speaking of double classes

Destro and Affli locks.

Which ones are worst for fury?

And why

[wheat jay]

you smash both

[north thicket]

destro is easier to shutdown that's why smash it more?

[sour crag]

What defensives do they have? The "GOTCHA" abilities.

[fierce elm]

Not evasion

unless talented

but vanish has a sub minute CD

along with cloak

[fierce elm]

affli

does damage despite being trained heavily

[sour crag]

So target affli over destro, despite chaos bolts?

[fierce elm]

Same defensives basically

Target destro

Destro doesnt do a whole lot if focused

affli is gonna blast regardless

[sour crag]

Oh right, becasse the curses are instacast

Don't they ramp up REAL bad for me tho?

the dots, I mean

[fierce elm]

Yeah, but you cant do shit except stop malefic rupture

Its gonna do damage regardless of what you do

[dense herald]

best thing to do against locks is reflect coil

after some time it becomes a feelin

like they be lookin sus and u pop spell reflect

[sour crag]

coil?

[fierce elm]

Mortal Coil

[dense herald]

whats it called

that ye

[fierce elm]

insta cast bolt that fears you

[sour crag]

Never seen it

Guess I'm blind

[fickle forge]

You sit destro because if he casts CB twice then the game ends

[sour crag]

I do notice they do somethihg which makes their casting uninterruptable tho

no idea what that is

[fierce elm]

Random offensive cooldown

Changes nothing with how you play unless you can LoS

[sour crag]

Alright then

Another classic

Death Knights, Frost and Unholy. What do?

[north thicket]

Locks get empowered by spending enough time on forums whining about warriors

[fierce elm]

Disarm pillar, bladestorm when they pop cds

pop spell reflect, deal damage back

[north thicket]

The end result is uninterruptable spells and not shutdowns

[dense herald]

thats either wall or precog,when u kick them and dont interupt something

[fierce elm]

intervene healer when he gets gripped in

This all doesnt matter unless you deal damage though

[sour crag]

They are REALLY hansy with their grips, I notice.

Especially when I hunt someone

[fierce elm]

Cant do anything about that

[sour crag]

Are they a target priority?

[fierce elm]

easy to hit, somewhat decent defensives

[sour crag]

Their green barrier does nothing to me, right?

[fierce elm]

Correct

[sour crag]

And how do I know if pillar is up? Whatever that is

[wheat jay]

cd tracker

[fickle forge]

By watching your addon, BigDebuffs

[dense herald]

guys do i play thane every warrior isee is playing thane

[sour crag]

I think I don't have that addon, or not knowing how to set it up properly.

But which should I prioritize, Frost or Unholy?

[fierce elm]

They combine it with more cds

[fierce elm]

Either

[sour crag]

They're that similar with damage output?

[fierce elm]

They have the same defensives

different damage curves

[valid ermine]

Whats the best embelishment for signet

[sour crag]

WHich I'm not aware of. I know Unholy has more Dots, but that's it

[fierce elm]

Doesnt matter

[fierce elm]

Why would you embellish cloak

[valid ermine]

signet*

[fierce elm]

Elemental Lens

[valid ermine]

thanks

[sour crag]

That reminds me, it seems like people are cleaven between Nerubian and Elemental embellishments.

[fierce elm]

Yes

Now ima hit you with a real secret, it doesnt matter

[north thicket]

I have a chaos mine module and it looks pretty decent since people like to target warris nowadays a lot

1 lens 1 mines

but for arena I would prefer nerubian symbiosis maybe - just didn't pvp at the start and didn't craft the weapon (was gold europoor too)

wish the captured starlight was better tuned, it would have been nice to have a defensive option

[sour crag]

I switched to 2 Elemental Focus recently. Otherwise I tried Ascendence and the other one that doubles it.

I dunno which ones are optimal, really

[lavish quest]

Goatman 1800 yet?

[sour crag]

I was. But I lose majorly and I'm back to 1700

[fierce elm]

either

[sour crag]

i'm gonna try to climb again, but I got gym to go to

[lavish quest]

Oh wait, 1950 was your goal huh?

[sour crag]

Minimal goal, yes.

Anything above is a bonus

[lavish quest]

Doin big damn yet?

[frank knoll]

https://youtu.be/P8ONdxmv_7Q?si=OlOGM6p2VnotzvbL
this is why premades are guilty until proven innocent
Miss me with “we are just playing with friends”
Naw it’s Wow 2025, when you peel back the layers of the onion it’s always some degenerate bs

[sour crag]

Still working on in while figuring out what to hit and what not to hit

[rancid granite]

poor venruki running out of content so he has to go to reddit posts

I use that addon to play with friends

[frank knoll]

Did you watch the video

They use it to queue dodge and grief people

[rancid granite]

griefers always gonna exist with or without it and in any other aspect of the game

along with win traders this and that

[green wharf]

well robbers always gonna exist, better not punish then

[rancid granite]

isn't it just the remove all guns scenario cause bad guys use them too

lol

[fierce elm]

THE DARK SIDE OF WOW BATTLEGROUNDS

[rancid granite]

ragebait post and click bait cause out of content video

[fierce elm]

Venruki stream dying due to Onlyfangs popularity

yeah he is out of content

[lavish quest]

Have you tried just being in a group with your friends to play with your friends?

[fierce elm]

and needs to pay rent

which is fine

[lavish quest]

Afro, wanna pay my mortgage? Tenks

[fierce elm]

no wtf

[frank knoll]

I don’t understand why people do degenerate shit in unrated content
What’s the incentive

[fierce elm]

I got my own rent to pay

Because they can

[green wharf]

using addon to make premades is cringe as fuck

[rancid granite]

your guild connects to same channel and you can see when q pops to help sync and play together

[lavish quest]

How bout both? Think about it

[frank knoll]

Like that Franzkaner guy and his friends
Or Ocá and BSG
I face those guys or end up in a group with them all of the time when I run BGs

[fierce elm]

Got a car to pay for now too

I cant afford that shit

[frank knoll]

It’s always one sided lol

[lavish quest]

I paid my car off years ago

We good on that front

[rancid granite]

real question is why doesn't a raid queue epic bg exist

[green wharf]

because it would take fucking ages

[frank knoll]

Yeah imagine having a car payment
There’s so much info out there on how car dealerships screw you over
If you finance a car in 2025 you’re an idiot

[green wharf]

to find another raid

[rancid granite]

a lot of people just like to group with friends and pvp

lol

[frank knoll]

People used to do that back in the day

[fierce elm]

I mean, I am paying full for the car

But I am waiting for the fucking shit to arrive to finalize contract

[lavish quest]

I financed mine when I bought it, but I had enough money to buy it cash when I got it. Just did it for the credit build, made double payments every week then threw an extra 1k to 1500 everyone once and a while

[frank knoll]

I don’t believe anyone just “plays with friends for fun” in any unrated pvp game
But maybe I’m just cynical

[fierce elm]

So gotta pay entirely for car, pay rent

[rancid granite]

you just need some friends masta

[fierce elm]

Got a tattoo appointment

its an expensive monthj

[lavish quest]

Afro is rich confirmed!?!

[fierce elm]

Hell no lmao

[frank knoll]

My friends don’t play WoW, they play Marvel Rivals and newer games
They wonder why I still play WoW

[fierce elm]

I am poor as FUCK

[rancid granite]

agree

at both

[lavish quest]

Have you tried not being poor?

[fierce elm]

No

[rancid granite]

afro poor but has like 50 hobbies

[fierce elm]

: )

[rancid granite]

29 guitars

[frank knoll]

I went to a music fest last week
Went to Disney yesterday
Expensive month for me too

[lavish quest]

I have like 50 stonks.

[fierce elm]

It just do be like that sometimes

[lavish quest]

At least its something

My hobby is gaming

[fierce elm]

But yeah, car, two hotel stays, tattoo

cant wait to see my bank account DRAIN

Then that fucking WoW sub

[lavish quest]

Y tf you doing hotels?

Wow sub is like nothing m8

[fierce elm]

Gfs best friends is finishing school, going down for two days to visit them and visit some other friends

[frank knoll]

I forget mine even comes o it
WoW less than Netflix now lmao

[fierce elm]

Got School like 2 hours away

for 4 days in a row

[lavish quest]

You poor, you can't have a GF. time to dump her

[fierce elm]

GF is using the car to get to her school during those days lmao

Tbf one of the hotel stays was 85 bucks

so yeah

[frank knoll]

I just bought my sec+ exam voucher which was like 400 bucks too

[fierce elm]

Its just one of those MONTHS

[lavish quest]

I regularly spend days off going to work under the table at my first job lul

[fierce elm]

But cant wait to MAYBE get my car tomorrow

if the fucking winter tires have arrived

[lavish quest]

Go room with Artji, I hear he gets a pretty good deal on rent

[fierce elm]

lmao never

Dude has potato farmer vibes

[urban skiff]

mage pov

[lavish quest]

At least he'd have a job then

[north thicket]

Why are people so keen on this Onlyfangs garbage I can't understand

[fierce elm]

Its fun to watch

The mix of so many different streamers is nice

Grabbing people that wouldnt play WoW otherwise

along with some funny moments, hilarious dramas

[north thicket]

They do 'funny' stuff because the Classic game isn't fun anymore

[fierce elm]

So yeah

its interesting

the added notion of them dying being punishing is also fun to watch

leads to less Classic stomping and more intricate strategies

[north thicket]

Hmmm, I might try

who would you recommend

no Esfand sry

[fierce elm]

I mean I mostly watch Sodapoppin

Or tyler1 because it can be quite memes

[north thicket]

ok Soda

cool

[fierce elm]

But its like, either you like it or you dont

[north thicket]

I like @elfin surge but he ain't streaming

[fierce elm]

MUD BLOWS

[north thicket]

and Magnusz ain't putting a lot of effort into his streams

[fierce elm]

Magnus will be back s2 again

tahts about it

[north thicket]

Bajheera totally forgot about WoW

I am sure he declined OnlyFangs membership

Because he aint a clown

[lavish quest]

Retail is dead, what else are people supposed to watch?

[north thicket]

La Liga or Premier League

:)))

[lavish quest]

Dunno what those are

But I don't watch wow streams anyways

[fierce elm]

Football

[north thicket]

Real football (not American) :))))

[fickle forge]

SS 📉
WS 📈

[north thicket]

I have to check what's up with Copa Libertadores

African cup month also I think

[urban skiff]

WS?

I think you mean WINDFURY

[fierce elm]

Windstrike

these shaman mains smh

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[north thicket]

Is Farseer Resto playable in Blitz?

Murlok says no

But what does Zercher say

[urban skiff]

murlok says if you're ok being worse if you're a top player it's playable

[north thicket]

Got it

Totemic will be also the first choice in 11.1 for resto? You mentioned prev about enh

[wheat jay]

ye cuz youre paying people to scribble on you

[urban skiff]

i have no idea, my healing skills are worse than my dps skills, which are pretty bad

[fierce elm]

yeah

its neato

I like it

[urban skiff]

if it's ranged it's giving me the icks

[wheat jay]

you gonna get at least one good tattoo this time?

[fierce elm]

its enjoyable

what the fuck DO YOU MEAN

[wheat jay]

cuz iirc you only have doodles

[fierce elm]

the fuck

no lmao

I covered everything I had

[wheat jay]

ohh

so you paid twice

[fierce elm]

Stupid fucking mistakes man

[wheat jay]

for the same place on your skin

[fierce elm]

uh yeah lmao

[wispy cedar]

you got rid of the sword tattoo?

[fierce elm]

Stop cosplaying me low

[wispy cedar]

that thing was sick

[fierce elm]

no?

[wheat jay]

if i could id send every slur and insult your way

but i cant

[fierce elm]

I covered the ones I got when I was like 18 and 21 lmao

[wheat jay]

thus, youre a regard

[wispy cedar]

oh

that’s fair

[fierce elm]

STUPID MISTAKES MAN

Just finishing my right arm now

but I have no fucking idea what he has drawn up

[lavish quest]

Why is Artji poor?

[fierce elm]

Polish

[north thicket]

10 years down the line and Poland might have a higher standard than Sweden

[fierce elm]

In an alternate timeline maybe

[rancid granite]

is that scotty?

[fierce elm]

Scotty doesnt know

I hope that was the reference you were going for or I am massively disappointed

[rancid granite]

there's only one real reference

https://tenor.com/view/eurotrip-gif-11313578

[wheat jay]

new job

isnt going the best

but decent

[lavish quest]

You paid on commission eh?
Gotta sell more I guess

[frank knoll]

Cleaning bathrooms in the UK
That’s what Polish people mean when they say they “got a new job”

[wheat jay]

Ye

[lavish quest]

Well I'm salary so I just get paid to wear these chains

I'm doing pretty alright however

[wispy cedar]

are you back at Polish BestBuy?

[wheat jay]

Nope

Insurances

[lavish quest]

I have been at my gig for over a year and a half so getting to that point I need to start finding my next jump up

[urban skiff]

I don't understand the point of salary

I'm meant to work 37 hours a week and get paid to do so. If I have to work more, I'm expected to work as much as it takes, but if I get done sooner, I can't stop early.

Obviously I just make up some bullshit work that isn't real so I can solve a complicated problem, get brownie points for accomplishing it, and not do any actual work

Fight fire with bombs

[lavish quest]

Probably just an excuse to get more work out of a worker without paying

[wispy cedar]

I feel like that’s way better. I could not do retail sales

[urban skiff]

not really the same, but being a mechanic you spend a lot of time selling bullshit in a pseudo retail setting. It's obnoxious and sucks the life out of you

Calling up the wife to get the go ahead to swap somewhat functioning parts because you know the husband will say no is just loooooow.

[wispy cedar]

anything retail related seems like hell on earth. I do b2b logistics sales and it’s an actual service I believe in and I can offer something of value to my customers

[urban skiff]

hell yeah

contract negotiations b2b are fun as heck

[wheat jay]

its much harder

[sour crag]

How do I handle Windwalker Monks? They seem nigh invincible in mobility

Also what's their major damage?

[wheat jay]

you gotta slam them, thats all

you want to stun fists of fury

[urban skiff]

do we stun their fists of fury or just ignore?

[wheat jay]

you stun it because you cant hit them through it

[sour crag]

They get invuln from FoF?

[pastel swan]

Stun from behind prob

Nothing can dodge from behind except DH I think

[frank knoll]

I struggle vs ww on my ele shaman because they’re unkitable
Same with DH

Destroy them on Warrior tho

[pastel swan]

With ele you just pump harder than them and root when u can

It’s funny how every class is godly until you play it and you see flaws lmao

[frank knoll]

Yeah I’m kinda new to casters
I am breaking out of the mind set of “I have to run away and then do damage” and getting into the mindset of “sometimes I can cast in their face”

[pastel swan]

Yeah most important thing as ele by a long shot is keeping flameshock uptime

[frank knoll]

I feel like the second DH is on you 60% of ur HP is gone
So you have to kite them, but you can’t

[green wharf]

you also cant burst on ww when they use touch of karma

[frank knoll]

I don’t under why people say DH sucks

Maybe in like high level 3s it’s bad idk

They do 2x everyone else damage in shuffle and BGs with a ton of self healing and two immunities

[wheat jay]

two immunities?

[frank knoll]

Yeah
Netherwalk and Meta

The meta animation lasts like 3 secs and makes you immune to everything

[green wharf]

i cant say what i want about DH and DH players

too offensive

[frank knoll]

And shadowmeld also if you wanna be super sweat

[wheat jay]

1sec

[sour crag]

So I copletely lost to a DH and Outlaw rogue combo, what do?

[green wharf]

q again

[sharp meteor]

cus in coordinated they get stunned and killed in half a sec

also melee chop them in half

avg dh also used to being 40% overtuned like they were in later half of df/sl

so if they cant auto gas pedal everybody spec is bad and they reroll hunter/ret/warr

[wheat jay]

its just weak

squishy too

[sour crag]

Okay I got out with 4/2 but man...

I was unsure if maining Outlaw was worth it

[green wharf]

average warrior on skyhold.

[wheat jay]

yes

100% agreed

fuck rogues

remove them xD

[sour crag]

'member Rogue/Mage combo in the ol' days of BfA?

I sure do.

[urban skiff]

0lol

do rogues hurt or something?

[boreal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-player-speaking-wow-gif-27271750

[green wharf]

[boreal veldt]

You ever win a 1v3 in a random bg and one of the players just sits there not releasing trying to comprehend what just happened

[urban skiff]

not quite the same, but they initially let the hunter 1v1 me. Then when he started losing the DH joined in, in panic

[boreal veldt]

love to see it

[urban skiff]

Unfortunately I haven't figured out yet how to get nvidia to clip good plays yet

Would have been a neat one for the collection

[hasty pulsar]

gotta love the panic join

XD

[urban skiff]

I put the hunter down to like 10% and in deflection

put the DH down while the parry thing was going on, and ended up waiting for the parry to end after the DH was down before I could get back on hunter

idk what hunter parry is

hunter bubble

[boreal veldt]

i don't get it either, t-roar gets through though

[green wharf]

sunday afternoon and you still get 30 minutes or more of q time

no one is playing the game

[urban skiff]

what MMR?

I keep having really short queues

[green wharf]

1600-1900

[urban skiff]

might be because blitz doesn't allow duplicates so you have to wait your turn vs 10x as many players as me

which is the opposite of no one playing

[green wharf]

but isnt like warlock is giga chad that everyone uses

[boreal veldt]

it's a caster's world and we're just rp walking through it

[green wharf]

its funny when your enemy team is the one with monkeys

just got a game where i was losing 900 to 200

but i sneak to get their cart when it spawn, and we won in one swop at the end

[pastel swan]

Having played a caster I’d say they feel the opposite lmao. The only caster that can out kite melee for more than a few seconds is frost mage and evoker I think. Maybe like a really good hunter

[frank knoll]

Enhance is one of the best 1v1 specs lol

[urban skiff]

Especially for totemic

400k shield every 30 secs

[frank knoll]

I can pretty much beat anyone besides a good rogue or mage 1v1

[green wharf]

priests can to a extend

druids as well

warlocks are the one fucked in the caster division

[frank knoll]

Unless your name is Chanimal who can kite like 3 people at once
Yeah

[wheat jay]

real lmao

[urban skiff]

Mages are so much of a joke to me i kill their elemental as well while waiting out the ice block

Maybe i only find the bad mages though

[stark agate]

Fighting top/booster Arcan Mages without an Hpal is hell

I remember fighting a booster duo of Mage/Balance druid with a resto sham I couldn't do shit

I don't think I was doing a terrible job of managing mobility either

[sharp meteor]

whats reserved

[green wharf]

[fickle forge]

If they play with elemental then yes

[fickle forge]

Can't really chase mages without an Rsham

[stark agate]

Rsham makes it easier? How so? I don't rly know rsham kit

[urban skiff]

price already down again

man i made bank

[fickle forge]

Roots, purge, ranged kick, static, ground etc.

[urban skiff]

sad to say I don't think there's interaction between peewave and DRE 😦

only tested like 5 casts so far then bg hit

Method was Surging totem -> flame shock -> pee -> lightning bolt

Each set results in 6 lightning bolt hits

vs 5 targets

[green wharf]

primal wave 🤢

[urban skiff]

18% chance per, if there's interaction

[fickle forge]

DRE is also w/e

Ascend with winds is what matter

[frank knoll]

A good arcane or frost, can’t touch em as enhance
Maybe on ele I can

[urban skiff]

it's w/e because we can't control it

my hope was that I could raise the proc rate via the lightning bolts from peewave

having a 36% chance every 30 seconds sounds really yummy

[fickle forge]

That's a proc every 1.5 min

[urban skiff]

60 seconds

timer starts on first peewave, not 30th second

[fickle forge]

Okay, either way it'd be ass

[urban skiff]

so chance 0 second (36%) -> 30 second (72%) -> 60 second (108%)

eh, that's with 12 targets too

unrealistic

I'm just hoping to find some secret tech

[fickle forge]

I doubt it, enh isn't that complex

[urban skiff]

I'd say having 3+ viable specs is more complex than many specs

lots of opportunities for weird interactions

[sour crag]

Okay, so I just face devastation evoker and frost mage

what do?=

Both are casters

[fickle forge]

One shot deva or die

[sour crag]

What should I watch out for evoker?

[fickle forge]

There's only 2 though, and they don't interact with each other

[urban skiff]

stormbringer + storm
totemic + elementalist
totemic + storm

that's 3

[fickle forge]

Totemic + storm is not a thing bro

[sour crag]

What should I be aware of from Devastation Evokers, besides their lazor?

[urban skiff]

it is though

it's been the top build in blitz for months

[fickle forge]

Ah yeah I don't consider blitz a bracket

Meta I tie to arena

[fickle forge]

That's it

Deva rotation is 1 button

And 2 CDs

[sour crag]

Which are?

Dude you gotta talk to me like this is my first day in WoW ;D

[urban skiff]

that's definitely a stance, but not right

[sharp meteor]

wish i could pay blizz like 15 bucks a month to never queue into another mage as long i live

[urban skiff]

3: flyby, big lazer, spicy breath

usually spicy breath is linked to big gulp air cd

[fickle forge]

To me, WoW is about trading CD and doing proper goes with CC

And blitz doesn't have any of that

You run around, do rotation and run people over

Zerg next point

[urban skiff]

I grew up on battlegrounds in vanilla. To me, pvp is chaos and unfairness and making the best of unknown variables

[fickle forge]

And it's a fun time for sure

But not a skillful time

[urban skiff]

sure it is

[fickle forge]

To me, when it's competitive, I think skill is what matters most

And blitz is so free and inflated anyone can climb

[urban skiff]

Chess is a brain game and taking turns and trading for a win.

boxing is beating the other guy's head in for a win.

they're different sports

[urban skiff]

is why I don't care about my rating (except for the 1800 mogs). Or anyone elses. Ratings have never been transferable between seasons. It's just a number that matters this season

2.1k in s1 is almost never the same as 2.1k in s2 or s3.

Idk why people keep expecting that

Is my % rank on the ladder better or worse than my last season? That's really the only cross-season measurement you can do

[fickle forge]

You can go by ladder position

[urban skiff]

yes but no

[fickle forge]

But blitz is the most inflated bracket of all time right now

Not even SL S2 had this level of inflation

[urban skiff]

If I'm playing a spec that turns really overpowered so all the really good players swap I'll lose ranking despite not getting worse

[urban skiff]

what does that even mean?

3800 rating is bigger than 2400 rating. So what?

[fickle forge]

You'd imagine the brackets should be somewhat generalized

[urban skiff]

I agree

[fickle forge]

1400 differences is completely crazy

[urban skiff]

but also I think there's something messed up with how they applied the ELO system to blitz that they cannot undo now the season is udnerway

[fickle forge]

Such as gaining 150 mmr per win?

[wheat jay]

Boxing is actually big brain

[fickle forge]

Because that's what I get

[wheat jay]

So your argument is invalid

[urban skiff]

yep, is what my point was

They're different big brain things

I just kind of ADD'd and forgot what i was saying

[wheat jay]

Blitz is not bigbrain tho

[urban skiff]

Blitz is like boxing

[fickle forge]

Blitz just ain't big brain though

[wheat jay]

Its zergrush

[fickle forge]

Arena is like boxing

[urban skiff]

You have to think fast and under pressure

[wheat jay]

Thats arena

[urban skiff]

boxing is nowhere close to arena

[fickle forge]

Arena has a script and CC to manage

[urban skiff]

does boxing have a script?

Arena is everyone starts out at equal footing and takes turns trading cds

[fickle forge]

Yes

Opponent does X, you respond with Y

[wheat jay]

Blitz is street drunk brawl

[fickle forge]

Blitz is when everybody in the bar decided to take it outside

[urban skiff]

... does boxing require more skill than escaping a drunk street brawl unscathed, let alone win it?

[gritty yoke]

Never been into PvP but thought bout trying 1.8 in solo shuffle for elite set. Is the queue time as dd as bad as I mind it and how long do you think this will take assuming that I know my class ?

[urban skiff]

I really don't get this need to always put blitz down as if it's the worst

it's just different

[wheat jay]

Yes

It does

[fickle forge]

When it's competitive, yeah, it becomes more stratetic than 16 men swinging their hands in wild aggression

[wheat jay]

In every way imaginable

[urban skiff]

How many here have competed in any sort of martial arts?

[wheat jay]

I did

[urban skiff]

Because I have

[fickle forge]

Artji does it a few times a week iirc

[urban skiff]

And all strategy goes out the door when you get punched in the mouth

[wheat jay]

Used to, now I just do some boxing bag work

[wheat jay]

No it doesnt

Are you stupid?

[fickle forge]

Win every lobby 6-0 and you have it in 4 lobbies

[urban skiff]

why can't you be normal just for 5 minutes?

[wheat jay]

What have you been training to get to that conclusion

[urban skiff]

Yeah I'm going to skip this

[wheat jay]

Once you stop talking out of your ass I will

[fickle forge]

Either way, WoW arena is where skill is expressed

And that's the WoW PvP I like

[urban skiff]

There we go, nice and quiet

[fickle forge]

It's gotten worse since DF, but it's at least still the same essence

[wheat jay]

Ngl best skill based combat pvp gsme I played was warband and for honor

[wheat jay]

Lol

[urban skiff]

chess is also where skill is expressed

Boxing is thinking but chess is thinking fast where opponents have a limited moveset

[fickle forge]

Blitz just isn't comparable like that bro

[urban skiff]

I never said blitz is better

Blitz requires a different skill set and the setting is different

That's all

[fickle forge]

I'm saying I don't take blitz seriously, because it lacks any type of meta that resonates with WoW PvP's actual competitive bracket

[urban skiff]

I that it's not carefully curated and polished and everyone has fair chances

[fickle forge]

Aka 3v3

[urban skiff]

That's it

I loathe meta

meta is the worst thing to happen to gaming

[fickle forge]

You don't have to like it

[urban skiff]

just neuter all the fun out of it and hyper optimize everything until everyone is playing the same 3 things

[fickle forge]

There's a meta for everything though

[wheat jay]

People optimize thats all

[urban skiff]

TBC 2v2 is the perfect example of that

[wheat jay]

Meta is optimization

[urban skiff]

Everyone playing rdruid + hunter or rogue or warrior or warlock

[fickle forge]

People naturally want to optimize to win

It's fun for a lot of people

[urban skiff]

Sure it is

But it's the soul killer

[wheat jay]

You don't go full fat 150kg to fight in ufc

[fickle forge]

Ofc it's bad when your off-meta strat is straight up unviable

But that's on Blizz

[wheat jay]

You optimize

Blitz being 8v8 clownfiesta means you can't optimize for best results

[fickle forge]

It's the same as everybody picking the same 8 champs in League

[wheat jay]

Especially when its random 8v8

[fickle forge]

Or everybody running AWP in CS

People do what's effective

Blitz is a way to get away from all that and have some chaotic fun

[wheat jay]

Rated bgs had some skill, or like you said different skill expression under specific conditions

[urban skiff]

and everyone plays giantdaddy and nobody respects a giantdaddy for succeeding with the objectively best stuff

[wheat jay]

Because you had coordination

[urban skiff]

or is it giantdad? idk anymore

[wheat jay]

Huh

[urban skiff]

but isn't blitz also the most effective way to win and get high ratings?

Shouldn't everyone be running blitz because it's the most effective even if not enjoyable?

[fickle forge]

I do believe that's what people do

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897055819475091456/1325842367441272922/image.png?ex=67852b6d&is=6783d9ed&hm=6a8c0a8710e47d33c9f01100960b0feb56ee411273d517561d391c62f7f88581&

[wheat jay]

Ye thats probably going away

Repeat of shuffle i guess

Df s1 people were like 3300+

S2 they couldnt get elite lmao

[fickle forge]

Almost like people like getting high rating

[wheat jay]

Ye

If 3s were easier to climb

And get glad

More people would queue

Like, we got to 2100mmr instantly, didnt we?

Playing giga dog comp

[urban skiff]

Replace cr with just a ladder position.

People are way too focused on a number being as big as possible

[sharp meteor]

blitz is 2400 by accident just for existing ya

[urban skiff]

Instead of just having it be bigger than everyone else

[wheat jay]

Fhats because of rewards

People play pvp for rewards for the most part

[sharp meteor]

nobody cares about ladder position tho lmao

cos it doesnt matter unless ur going for titles

which like 12 people do

[wheat jay]

Kargish does

[urban skiff]

See plenty of people in here and elsewhere who can't seem to break 1800 in blitz. I'd say it's not true

[sharp meteor]

well u would be wrong

[wheat jay]

Blitz is coinflip

You could play rogue, stay on flag 24/7

[sharp meteor]

if the dude in my 3k eots cadps the flag when we have 2 bases the avg boomer can soft afk his way to 2400

[wheat jay]

And you'd climb to elite

[urban skiff]

What's the alternative? They just lost 500 coin tosses in a row? Lol

[sharp meteor]

nah they're somehow a net negative to their team

like u know when u cap the flag in wsg and its going well

[stark agate]

Alternative is to not play blitz xdd

[sharp meteor]

then ur male human hunter grabs flag runs mid dies insta and they cap

thats the type of person that gonna get stuckos

cos they are like

an actual burden

upon their games

not a neutral influence not a positive influence an actual detriment

[urban skiff]

Shit happens. Maybe he was just having a bad day. Maybe he was literally there to sabotage

People whisper and offer people gold for throwing apparently

[sharp meteor]

if ur stuckos ur either making ur team lose by not doing job or havent played enough

[sharp meteor]

true

not common tho

until maybe last few weeks

[wheat jay]

Regular blitz player, it is what it is

[urban skiff]

So how is it more logical that he was really really bad and not that he was doing it on purpose? 😅

[fickle forge]

When you get elite the ladder position displays

[sharp meteor]

might b cool if it showed sooner

even if useless tbh

[fickle forge]

Yeah but what are you gonna get from seeing you're top 15k

[sharp meteor]

being top x might encourage some people to press q more

esp if they showed realms that might b funni

[urban skiff]

1800ish for enh is top 170 lol

in blitz

idk what the deal is with that

[sharp meteor]

why is weird bad and useless

[urban skiff]

I'd say anyone in top 1k should at least see their rank on the ladder

instead of limiting it to 2400+

[sharp meteor]

i feel like itd be nothing to see it whenever yeah cos u already show on the ladder

just not ingame

gg im top 50 guardians at 800 cr whatever

still funni to see

[wheat jay]

I remember getting elite in shuffle and seeing 8

[urban skiff]

eh

[wheat jay]

[sharp meteor]

i just hit my highest rating on prot

[urban skiff]

You don't have to love it, to acknowledge that it might get more people to get more invested

[sharp meteor]

which was also highest of any prot in na

including df

[urban skiff]

It's only just this season I realized there was a ladder to read

And I've played since vanilla

[sharp meteor]

i love my dead meme ladder

[wheat jay]

They need to redesign rewards in relation to inflation of rating

Its stupid to even attempt to get glad at the start of the season

That is a terrible design

[north thicket]

What are you currently going for as prot?

[sharp meteor]

I want more titles.

[north thicket]

Sorry, I meant what spec and bracket

[sharp meteor]

p-prot

I wanna queue atc but can't find a hunter.

[urban skiff]

he's secretly a blitz enjoyer

Nobody protests so much if they don't have a deep dark secret

[sharp meteor]

Me?

[wheat jay]

I gotchu

We go at dawn

[sharp meteor]

I swear mw prot surv could be insane

[urban skiff]

anything + prot is insane

if prot had a reliable ms it would be over

[sharp meteor]

No 🗞️

[sharp meteor]

Trueeee.

No ms limits it so much

[urban skiff]

prot + prot

but different prot

[sharp meteor]

If I could queue with ret or enh or ele it'd actually be SO over

[urban skiff]

They could do with revamping the ms system entirely

[wheat jay]

I played prot survi rsham once

[urban skiff]

Make it a melee only thing, and make it so casters are more vulnerable to ms than melee. To compensate for them having higher uptime than melee does

[wheat jay]

With @knotty atlas

Went pretty good

[urban skiff]

that would be cool

[wheat jay]

If we played more we'd get him his 1800

[north thicket]

Kennie, prot gets 'more' MS in 11.1 if Col

looking forward to it

[sharp meteor]

Eh. We have limited honor talent spots.

[north thicket]

but would appreciate a talent refresh

[sharp meteor]

So that'd be nice but it's not crazy.

[north thicket]

Indeed, limited 😦

[sharp meteor]

If it were on shield slam we'd be so good.

I wish there was just like a grievous/vicious shield talent in the standard tree

that applied a healing reduction

via shield slam

[north thicket]

SS should get the purge it used to have a long time ago!

it would also help M+ viability

one may only assume that prot is to be C- tier tank in s2

[urban skiff]

Blizzard 2025 would implement it super weird

[sharp meteor]

Man a purge alone would also be so crazy

[urban skiff]

Like it will dispel on shield slam, but you have no control over it and it has a 30 second cooldown after doin git

[sharp meteor]

esp since u pressing it once a second

[urban skiff]

and you'll have to pick up 2/2 mandatory points before that'll buff slam by 7.5%

[north thicket]

yeah but it could have the sharpened blade talent

in normal tree

20-30sec cd w/e

also

bears are getting magic % reduction by armor

if I remember s2 notes

all plate classes should get some

especially warrior

[urban skiff]

anyone know why AMD stock is going down when intel crapped their pants and there are no viable alternatives AND their x3d cpus are a HUGE success?

[pastel swan]

Do you guys just not go on mages and devokers lol feels pointless

[urban skiff]

Unless my partners rely on me to help exhaust mage/evoker/etc mobility, i'd rather be hitting a healer that can be hit than a mage that cannot

[pastel swan]

Going healers seems bad most of the time. What about the other dps

[rancid granite]

what you doing with the 1mil gold?

[frank knoll]

Demo lock is the most W key OP shit that nobody talks about

Just did a little PvP on mine, not even fully geared
Insane damage better than destro

[sharp meteor]

ya its like bm except spammable fear

[frank knoll]

I lil harder to play than BM probably

[copper fox]

Kennie I’m going prot main next season I’m getting tired of fury

Was almost 2700 today back down to 2500 ish

Just getting tossed by BM lobbies

[sharp meteor]

everythin other than double or triple caster is a vibe

fur fallin out when i see mage/aff/shadow or som

[pastel swan]

Is arms any good? Looks like fury is much higher on ladder

[sharp meteor]

not really

its okay-good but fury is very good so

[copper fox]

arms is a lot harder to climb as

fury is just a lot more oppressive atm

[pastel swan]

Is a good rule of thumb as fury to just hit closest and stay by healer

If it’s a bunch of casters

[hot solstice]

Depends on caster

[frank knoll]

Yeah if your fury and hitting something it will probably die

[copper fox]

i always hit closest if another range uses mobility and I dont have my mobility, OR they port behind a pillar etc

[hot solstice]

Generaly u want ur team to push with you unless it’s some mage or devoker

[frank knoll]

I remember i climbed way higher as fury when i stopped over thinking the kill target and cross cc etc and just w keyed whatever was close to me

[copper fox]

yea just always be hitting something

[frank knoll]

It almost like as fury you etc rewarded for being an egg head w key spec

[copper fox]

and if youre moving to a target while a melee is on you make sure youre strafe slapping that melee on the way

mages and devokers chunk hard tho so if theyre close enough im always swinging at them

but never over committing to them

[hot solstice]

Vs mage and dragon always better to swap on them when they push in for sleep or poly

Vs lock it’s good to save leap bolt on their portals

U can also swap and wait for them to go off the pillar but I just prefer safely leap stun after them with some bladestorm or reflect ready to immune that coil

But it all depends again…his hpala might be standing on portal or ur team isn’t willing to push so it’s all about making choices

[pastel swan]

Yeah. And as far as rotation I prio rampage > onslaught > execute > rb > bt. I use recklessness first and t roar in burst then go through that rotation. Idk if there’s an optimal time to bladestorm

And then use avatar to extend pressure

Let me know if any of that sounds fried

[sharp meteor]

kind of ye

like if chasing the ideal target sets u far behind or kills u

thats not great

worse than just hitting the guy with every button

cos dmg starts to stick real hard 2 mins in

ig biggest thing is dont throw every offensive cd 90 seconds into the game onto the guy with every defensive just because you have 4 seconds of timedown on the killl target who is almost out of buttons

[pastel swan]

Yeah. I noticed some ppl play death wish. That seems kinda risky. Is that something you ever play maybe when you’re not the main target? I heard Barbarian is being removed and battle trance may be getting reworked? Not sure how

[sharp meteor]

dw if ur not the target and 1-2 stacks if you're somewhat safe can be good ya

also really good in blitz

[rancid granite]

can it be canceled

[sharp meteor]

nah

used to be able to but that got fixed out

cos that's meant to be the drawback

[rancid granite]

yeah i assumed so

i use it all the time just never thought to try it cause why would i cancel dmg buffs

:zug:

[sharp meteor]

so if ur safe 1-2 stacks can be sick

then let it fall as they get cc/dmg back

also running into orb or flag carrier in blitz with 3-5 stacks and just 1-shotting them is nice

[rancid granite]

same the other way around too since orb gives dmg buff too

lol

[pastel swan]

Is using bladestorm during reck/avatar a damage loss or gain? Testing on dummy seems like a gain but idk

[sharp meteor]

do u got stackies

cos isolated storm with every button up as slayer is big dam

[sterile moth]

Using it with d-stance kinda gives you an in between option too. Basically cancels out the 10% reduction on your damage for 5% more dam reduction on incoming

[urban skiff]

that's how I use deathwish. Stack it up while in dstance then my damage pops even more when I pop my cooldowns, which takes me out of dstance

[green wharf]

im seriouslly thinking of just not picking up rend as talent

all the time i forget to use this shit

fucking talent

[urban skiff]

don't you have it baked into thunderclap?

[green wharf]

i do, but tclap is a shit slow, that you end up using harmstring anyway

only remember to tclap in tfs

[urban skiff]

i use tclap to apply rend

and as a dirty slow

[green wharf]

i dunno why but people dont get slowed anymore, only warriors

everyone ahve some sort of immunity dispel or something

[urban skiff]

that's not remotely true though

[green wharf]

but it what it feels like

[urban skiff]

warrior is no exception

1-2 bladestorms, plus rallying cry

That's already a lot of ways to break out of snares and roots

[green wharf]

break and get instantly reaplied

[urban skiff]

you can do that too

you know ferals are going to powershift the slow so get in the habit of slowing them twice

[green wharf]

not when they are far away after kitting you to oblivion

[knotty atlas]

We gotta do it again before Prot dies in 11.1

[verbal tangle]

You mean when we Prot lives again in 11.1

Free Shield Wall procs

[knotty atlas]

Yes,that huuuuuge 1 ppm.

[verbal tangle]

One free Avatar per minute

Jumpscare Mages once per minute when they go for a slow

[knotty atlas]

Eh?

Does not work with IO.

[green wharf]

its joever for prot

no more killing mages after dragon charge nerf

[verbal tangle]

Is that confirmed?

[knotty atlas]

Tested,yes.

[verbal tangle]

Then spec dead

[knotty atlas]

Jep

They went after the wrong thing with their changes

[verbal tangle]

Common Blizzard L

[sharp meteor]

Maybe it'll be okay...

All the changes suck omg.

[knotty atlas]

Jeah,just goes to show that they are out of touch with the spec/class.

But that's nothing new unfortunately.

[verbal tangle]

You forgot the first rule of brown class Mwahi:

Fuck brown class

[sharp meteor]

"hey nobody plays colo prot so we're nerfing rage gen"

also dragon charge nerfed in pvp im in disrepair

must keep pvp prot dream alive

[knotty atlas]

Tbf,people played Colossus. It was the preferred raid choice and also did really well in m+. It just requires more class knowledge.

[verbal tangle]

Yeah if I bother to play next season it will probably be on something like DH or Enh

Woyer is just frustrating to play when Blizzard can't be fucked to address it

[boreal veldt]

i think i got soft muted for submitting so many "fix demolish you rats" tickets

[knotty atlas]

Tbf,there is a better way of wording that.

[boreal veldt]

i'm paraphrasing, but that was definitely the subtext of tickets i did submit

very much

"I hope this email finds you well" energy

[knotty atlas]

But yeah,it's weird how much they screw over their player base considering it's a subscription based game.

[boreal veldt]

even ff14 got an apology for it's latest expac

but thats a whole different beast not very comparable

[green wharf]

M+ ruining the game

mor news at eleven

[sharp meteor]

i remember bear was 99% of tank rep in title range during df

and i open patch notes wondering what they're up to

to see a 20% crane kick nerf to brew

[green wharf]

ins't prot pala being fucking dominant in pve

and they just buffed

i heard most of M+ groups are made of prot pala, disc priest and aug evoker

[sharp meteor]

ya its all prot palas

[green wharf]

i guess cant nerf then mid season

or the elitist jerks will throw a tantrum on twitter

cause they will need to rerrol

[fierce elm]

They already rerolled mid season lmao

Because it was Prot Warr/Rsham before Prot pal got massive buffs on top of their absurd damage

[sharp meteor]

eh i feel like raiding tuning takes priority over everything

which is kind of annoying

esp considering mythic raiding is kind of niche

[green wharf]

what i see is, changes are made due to M+

tunning is made due to raiding

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah keys have this thing where they dont like aoe pulls and dmg spam

[green wharf]

more than ever im seeing changes in skills, talents and how the spec play because M+ close envirolment

[sharp meteor]

so every pack has 5 important deadly casts

u gotta coordinate stops on

so now everybody has 12 stops

also 1 shots from stuff means everybody needs a lot of mini defensives

every spec also cleaves raelly hard passively too

idk

[fierce elm]

The changes to how CC works next season is a clear indicator that M+ is the priority

because its probably the most popular gamemode

[sharp meteor]

huh

which one

[green wharf]

Bladestorm torment ->changing cause Arms was pulling too much AOE damage in M+ pulls, now instead gives sweeping strikes_for the M+ pulls_
MM pet -> M+ whiners complaining they had to summon pet, lust and dismiss it, they decide to just remove the option to use pet entirelly and give lust baseline to MM
Titans torment -> again changing caue fury was "too good" in aoe pulls

[fierce elm]

Any CC that used to insta break on damage now has a damage threshold

[sharp meteor]

ya that seems like a pvp one

[fierce elm]

This is not for raid or pvp lmao

This is because random shit breaks the CC in dungeons

[sharp meteor]

how is it not pvp

[fierce elm]

CC that is required

[sharp meteor]

u dont cc in dungeons

or u careuflly spot cc

[green wharf]

its for you to disable an add in the pulls

[sharp meteor]

u arent randomly polying 1 mob in a rodent key

[green wharf]

and damage doesnt break

[sharp meteor]

except to stop a cast

[fierce elm]

Its made to disable stuff

[sharp meteor]

and since df they recast

idk feels like a soloq change to pvp

cos everybody sprays aoe everywhere

so poly breaks insta

or blind

etc

ice trap

[green wharf]

it will make pvp even worse with more mini CC

[fierce elm]

Yeah, introduce a change that makes it worse lmao

[sharp meteor]

i think a friend tried it on ptr and said it pauses the dmg of the dots

so u arent gonna die in them

like u will a sleet

aka lose 30% of ur hp before it breaks

while getting spam polymorphed

[fierce elm]

Its a bad change if it was meant for PvP, its a decent change if its meant for PvE

otherwise it SUCKS

[sharp meteor]

eh we'll see it hopefully just means that random 1 aoe dmg ticks dont insta break all breakable cc

[green wharf]

but that was good