pvp

[fickle forge]

But anyone who's gonna die, will die because of this

So all killing blows go to him

[urban skiff]

Oooh, then you're right

Nothing impressive

[green wharf]

thts cheating

[urban skiff]

Actually it kind of sounds like he was literally stealing my kills then!

Now I'm upset

:/

what's your build?

[fickle forge]

Standard, and then I swap slayer/colo as I please

[urban skiff]

yuck, meant your shaman, the true main

[wheat jay]

Up to 2100 im fairly sure you could play any build and still outdamage monkeys there by like 20-30%

[fickle forge]

Storm of course

[urban skiff]

storm + ascendance?

I loved that build for pve, not sure why I just don't like it for pvp

[fickle forge]

Ofc

[faint girder]

Is there any way to make sure that Gladius tracks Arena 1,2,3 in a way so that healers ALWAYS are arena 1?

[urban skiff]

I don't know if framesort affects gladius

[fickle forge]

No

[green wharf]

blitz is like this, you go from one win, to be fucking stomped

because your priest keep pulling you from capping a flag

and dont heal

im actually amazed that people join ranked with the intention to fuck over the game

like bro

one thing is tilting after something happened, but joining to do that

[wheat jay]

That's why blitz is not a good indicator of skill xD

8 randoms

Oof

Sorry, 16

Theres fuckton of idiots in shuffle, and you triple the odds in blitz

[green wharf]

i just want that 1800 to get the classic rbg sets

then im done

[urban skiff]

The secret is to squint hard enough that you can't tell who's an idiot and who's a genius

If you don't know, you won't get expectations up. Now press stormstrike a lot!

[green wharf]

actually had some people like that in dota, but its like 2 minutes to find a game and 5 players, imagine waiting 20 to fuck over 7

[north thicket]

mastery >> crit for slayer or about equal?

[boreal veldt]

definitely

[green wharf]

versst>haste>mastery>leech>crit

[north thicket]

jesus

[faint girder]

Is there a way then to not lose Focus on a target when it Stealths for example?

[lavish quest]

No

[exotic forge]

11.1 PTR is starting very soon

[lavish quest]

You cannot target things stealthed you do not have visibility on.
Focus is targeting. Note it is fully called Focus Target.

[fickle forge]

No

[wheat jay]

Hunters mark

[lavish quest]

They visible. So fake stealth

Also, we're warriors here

[exotic forge]

We don't talk about hunters unless it's slander

[north thicket]

Are there any good examples where the 10% Hardiness by Orcs has won a 2-3 min arena game or a blitz? Just curious

[green wharf]

no

[rancid granite]

be the example yourself

[north thicket]

Is there any edge at all? Like coming out of stun 0.3s to make a great move

[rancid granite]

the edge is the stun reduction time right

[north thicket]

it's an edge only if it's impactful beyond 'hey I can move again 0.3s earlier, don't mind that my brain latency is 0.5s"

[rancid granite]

it is what it is

[exotic forge]

Barely a difference imo

Forsaken racial is op tho

[wheat jay]

It used to be op in shadowlands

[green wharf]

fucking evokers can grab you and fly away while you are bladestorming

[rancid granite]

@boreal veldt ok i tried low haste high crit/mastery and it seemed fun lol im gonna stick with it

high crit/haste no mastery felt wrong

[boreal veldt]

YEEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[boreal veldt]

also, i'm sorry what?

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-bullshit-seriously-no-kidding-thats-crazy-impossible-gif-15033482

he grabbed and drop from the alliance base in the dragonmaw/wildhammer BG

and it was the enemy one

i survive cuz im a chad war who jump while falling

[rancid granite]

reminds me of a meme i saw forever ago

looney toons ass jump

[true tiger]

u can get 1.8k with shuffle in less than a day

[exotic forge]

assuming you get que pops lol

[green wharf]

i already did wwith shuffle

but the classic seets need rating in rbg/blitz

[green wharf]

i miss when the internet was like this

[rancid granite]

lol

classic memes will never die

1800 aint so hard to get on blitz either

[green wharf]

isnt, i got on other specs

and classes

but i didnt find games being prot

4 hours for 2 games, nah

[rancid granite]

[green wharf]

ok, got 1618 thats ok for this evening

[exotic forge]

How rare is seeing a bm hunter lose

[sharp meteor]

I mean yeah there's games where it outright saves by letting you defensive/cc

but it's also good for throughput as it's less time in stuns

[patent forum]

@exotic forge not rare at all. You can tell who the fotm rollers are really quickly by training them and seeing how they react

[exotic forge]

I just witnessed one go 0-6 lol

these lobbies as SMF are always so interesting

[north thicket]

You are right of course, but apart from a very quick reaction for a save the math doesn't add up.
Let's say you get like 6 stuns in a 3 mins arena, 3 full 3 half. In total it would net about 1 GCD (3 x 0.4 + 3 x 0.2) that is hardly noticeable.

Vanguards didn't even pick it up for Ret and he is a DI dwarf, not a human https://murlok.io/character/us/tichondrius/vânguards/pvp
But Stoicism is deep in their tree so game devs think it's something. And Venruki placed Orc at A but Maghar at D (about the same dps from their Blood Fury) so I am probably wrong.

Orc looks are, however, a great Warri fit. Always been.

Horde are really screwed with the racials nowadays. Both Tauren racials on stun dr wtf...

[rancid granite]

look good feel good play good

[north thicket]

Interesting gem choice or? Not that it does more than 1-2% overall dmg but still something.
Btw Orc's Hardiness can be complemented with this Determined one, Enduring could be a bit of a waste.

[sharp meteor]

wish enduring didn't not work most of the time

[green wharf]

why

[sharp meteor]

some stuns affected and don't proc it

[north thicket]

I wish Blizz doubles this Determined dmg (currently it reads as 25578 per stack) to penalize root spamming casters.

If casters are already dominating in S1 then next season would be nightmarish. Wasn't always S3 and S4 their peak?

What what? So Enduring doesn't even work most of the time?

[green wharf]

meanwhile, im sure the caster gem just randomlly proc the immunity

once i tried to land a triple shockwave

as you do

and missed the priest

and he got the proc

i was like ????

did a rogue kick this mofo while i was not seeing or there is something going on

[rancid granite]

i tried the elusive one for a while and i didn't notice anything really

but i dont know why more people don't use it

[north thicket]

The Elusive one doesn't stack with other movement-speed talents or whatever. The upside is limited, the downside is you have to socket non-BIS gems

[rancid granite]

next patch we get a free +4% speed increase too right so even more

i mean elusive still gives MS

fast footwork, DW specialization, frenzied enrage, throw in elusive 💪

[north thicket]

Where does the 4% free speed come from in 11.1?

[rancid granite]

or am i wrong and we already have that

[north thicket]

Oh nice, finally 🙂

[rancid granite]

yeah right now its just 5% dmg 1 point

[sharp meteor]

zandalari and movement speed meta gem

[rancid granite]

zandalawho?

[verbal tangle]

fake troll

[boreal veldt]

meanwhile arms gonna take 4% less starfall damage lmao

[rancid granite]

how so

strange buffs but im happy

[boreal veldt]

it's in the same spot as fury's 4% speed

[rancid granite]

oh i didnt even notice lol

interesting

[sand sundial]

Nothing fun or innovative sorry

Only spell reflect that doesn't work consistently

[green wharf]

this buggs me so bad

imagine that nelfs can shadowmeld while a chaos bolt is coming their way to complete nullify it

but if i use spell reflect im fucked

i cant reflect a upcoming chaos bolt, i need to prepare before he cast it

[rancid granite]

i wish any of our warrior skills sounded as cool as chaos bolt

the sound effect of it always bugs me lol

[boreal veldt]

Bladestorm will always go hard

[rancid granite]

true lol

[green wharf]

nah, today the game betrayed bladetorm

imagine that twink dragon grabbing me while i bladestorm and flying away

it should not be possible

[rancid granite]

lolol

fully stacked bladestorm and your healer clones the target is one thing

but pulling you away.. yeah

[urban skiff]

movement speed gem is wild when you max it out

[urban skiff]

Citrine nerf has apparently been fixed now. Queue rated content with it at your own risk

Or test it before

[sharp meteor]

ring is deadge

for the past

6-8 hours or so

[urban skiff]

Who else picking up a 5090 soon?

[green wharf]

what the fuck is this shit

you have a chance to gain a buff that increase Ms damage by 2%, but using your main ability will end it?

[wheat jay]

Wanna be my sugardaddy?

[fierce elm]

n o

My 3080 is chugging away still

[fallen estuary]

no

[wheat jay]

Not asking you

[urban skiff]

Ending it triggers big stuff. You're supposed to be happy whether you keep the buff or lose it

[urban skiff]

If you boost me to 1500

[urban skiff]

You can get half price 4090 soon, or a 5070 for 550 usd that is better than 4090

[fierce elm]

If I ever get into modern games again

maybe lmao

For now I aint into modern games

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27443459

you said the last part of my name tho

[wheat jay]

Ok

[fierce elm]

uhm thats RMT

[green wharf]

100% of the time it will end cause you are constantly using overpower

[urban skiff]

Sure but you get something when it ends. It just happens to be kind of crap for arms.

Wish they would open ptr soon

[green wharf]

you dont get anything when it ends though?

[urban skiff]

Did you see 4 set?

[green wharf]

but thats four pieces, it will fuck over status

[green wharf]

2kk on bloodbath goodo

how good/useful are the leech enchantments for fury

i always wanted to use then

[lavish quest]

2kk... just say 2m lmao

And you musta hit a critter

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[green wharf]

pretty easy to do tbh

its cause cause vicious contempt

meanwhile execute

[elfin surge]

i am an elite warrior, finally.

@fickle forge

u proud?

[green wharf]

[exotic forge]

Where are the screenshots, son

[elfin surge]

screenshot dn

[fickle forge]

Congratulations on your first elite bro

[elfin surge]

lol

thanks man

[lavish quest]

Maybe I'll finish getting it one day

Maybe not. Queue times a brutal

[fierce elm]

washed up loser

[elfin surge]

says u afro

[fierce elm]

washed up

no subs

no bitches

[elfin surge]

projecting

[fierce elm]

you fell off

[elfin surge]

you were never on

[fierce elm]

I never tried

lame-o

[fickle forge]

Are you trashtalking ma boi, the elite warrior huh?

[elfin surge]

KEK

[fierce elm]

2nd WASHED WARRIOR MAIN

Go have nostalgia over Shadowlands ya noobs

[elfin surge]

im gaming now

its joever

[fickle forge]

We're blitz enthusiasts now

[fierce elm]

If only Dekel played retail he would show u

[elfin surge]

he mains retail

just m+

[fierce elm]

You know what I mean

[fickle forge]

Nah bro I saw the duel between Dekel and Mud

[fierce elm]

Duels doesn't count

[fickle forge]

Angels literally had to swoop in to restrain Dekel

Else it'd be over for Mud

[elfin surge]

[lavish quest]

Mud's got some fans right?

Like I hear about a Jessica

[fierce elm]

Not anymore

That was peak mud

[elfin surge]

Keep yappin nerds while I sit with my elite warrior title

[fierce elm]

that was back when he was MUD now heis just mud

[lavish quest]

I admire your ability to hit the queue button

[fierce elm]

lmao

[fickle forge]

They do say great forces or mass attract each other

[fierce elm]

everyone is just sitting 1-2 games away from Elite

but nobody wants to queue

[elfin surge]

I'm qn with the same team I got my first r1 with

[lavish quest]

I'm queuing Rivals, PoE2 and MHW

And I'm pushing R1 in stonks

😉

[fickle forge]

When are you pushing R1 in bitches

[lavish quest]

Never, fuck the hoes

Despite all my near friends wishing me too 👀

[green wharf]

also, apaprently ring was nerfed in pvp

yesterday

[fierce elm]

yes

[lavish quest]

Nah, just means I was right to never use it

Fuck yalls crutch

Only way @fierce elm broke 1600

[fierce elm]

lmao

I got one game with it

or something lmao

[fickle forge]

So what, it took like a week for them to correct it?

How long has it been

[fierce elm]

longer

Ever since the patch of the ring basically

lmao

[sand sundial]

3 weeks

[lavish quest]

And it was like 20% of your dam

[fierce elm]

Yeah

lmao

it was dumb

[lavish quest]

I prefer more balanced things like... 1 tapping people as Hawkeye

[fickle forge]

Who?

[fierce elm]

whomst

[lavish quest]

Hanzo

Forgot I had to translate for Karg

[rancid granite]

Hawkeye is the same level of dork as playing a gnome

[lavish quest]

But he's not a gnome

[rancid granite]

dork level 10/10

[lavish quest]

Just chunkin logs

[hot solstice]

Did they finaly nerf ring for pvp?

[fickle forge]

'Sorry our code broke once again guys, thanks for being patient with us these 3 weeks it took us to correct it'

[green wharf]

ye

[hasty pulsar]

damn i am gonna miss the ring

actually was more fun playing with it

dang they really did butcher my boy..

[copper fox]

I didn’t even feel a huge difference with the ring as fury ngl

[sterile moth]

Felt squishier that’s for sure

For whatever reason it worked better as arms for me

[rancid granite]

worked best with haste/slayer stuff

RIP it was a fun ring though regardless of the dmg

a magic ring that's upgraded weekly and has 3 magic gems to put in it was neato

[deft ridge]

yeah it wasn't like typical pve gear where you have to grind content for a random drop

you could get this ring faster than you could get a conq ring and fully gem it

[copper fox]

Still a gimmick. Should have never existed

Didn’t work as well equally across all classes

[rancid granite]

should exist; just buff other gems so everyone can use it equally

[deft ridge]

yeah, im pretty impartial, dont really care one way or the other, as long as it's "fair" for everyone

im fine with them nerfing it

[copper fox]

This statement is hilarious

As if they could ever make it equal

So

Shouldn’t exist

[rancid granite]

in that thought WoW shouldn't exist because balance will never be equal

don't be a doomer

[copper fox]

I’m a doomer for wanting to keep non pvp items outside of pvp because for the last 20+ years it’s failed? lol

[fierce elm]

I dont mind quirky shit like this

if its meant for it

[rancid granite]

...yes

[copper fox]

If they could make it equal across all classes I wouldn’t care either

But they “can’t” do that and never have been able to

Why add a layer of balancing when they can’t get the first layer right

[rancid granite]

maybe they could use it to help balance easier

idk

point is it was cool, but, rip

[deft ridge]

you could argue that some classes benefit more from mastery then others, so mastery on rings shouldn't exist :)

[fierce elm]

2000 mastery does not equal 20% of damage lmao

Which is what the ring was doing on Outlaw

[deft ridge]

lol true

outlaw was already broken, they dont need anything else to make it worse

[green anchor]

oh lucky nobody seems to play Outlaw at my rating

nothing but assa

[deft ridge]

assa pretty broken too tbh

[rancid granite]

still exaggerated though you give up vers + stats which would help equal big chunk

so maybe not 20% dmg

close enough though anyway idk

[fierce elm]

The stats where not equal to 20% damage output

And it was consistently doing 20-22% of Outlaws damage

[rancid granite]

it helped me get 2100 as outlaw

who knows what i am without it

[fierce elm]

Outlaw just doesnt benefit as much from secondaries either once hitting the caps

We have a haste cap and a crit cap, mastery fucking blows and vers is w.e

So its neat but its not as huge as other specs

Either way ring is GONE

[rancid granite]

gonna cry while doing the island dailies anyway

[north thicket]

Is the shield affected by MS effects and/or dampening? https://www.wowhead.com/item=213774/captured-starlight

[lavish quest]

No. Should make it good for warrior only. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[copper fox]

Agreed

[rancid granite]

give us a new fyrakk axe

[sterile moth]

Agree Leland.

[urban skiff]

Is it better to level tonight in anniversary event or in the twisting timeways from tomorrow?

[rancid granite]

isn't anni jover now

[urban skiff]

Idk, i thought it lasted until reset

[fierce elm]

I missed the anniversary mount lmao

because I cba logging in

[rancid granite]

did you not get the loot either

the ring and t2 sets and transmog sword etc

[fierce elm]

I got those

Because I leveled

but I never cba sitting through chos fucking stories lmao

and I didnt like the mount enough

[rancid granite]

yeah collectors who need everything are weird

collecting only whats cool though 👍

[green wharf]

skill issue

[green anchor]

I didn't bother with the Felcycle mount

well I did but when I noticed rare pet battles at max level I noped out

[green wharf]

skill issue too

isnt rly hard too

[green anchor]

how I despise pet battles

[green wharf]

and felcycle you can still get

[hasty pulsar]

Gonna be harder to get with time because step 6 I think it is with the altars you can get credit from other players activating the altars right now while it’s still sort of current

So less people will prob be doing them at any given time

[urban skiff]

the what mount??

[lavish quest]

Just buy the stones that level them to 25 insta

What I did

[green anchor]

but isn't acquiring the pets a pain in the ass in the first place

you also need some costumes for them for like 25k gold

[deft ridge]

yeah this one will be tough to solo

[lavish quest]

1 of em I already had. The other 2 pets were easy

[rancid granite]

ugly ass cycle and it doesn't have a PWN licence plate like the og engineer mount

[lavish quest]

Didn't have to since there was someone else there already doing that step

With the costume

So I just had to loot

😎

[coarse scarab]

Hi all, is the [Cyrce's Circlet] good for pvp?

[exotic forge]

Wait you can't get the fel cycle anymore?

Man

[rancid granite]

you can

[fierce elm]

Anniversary achievement

[deft ridge]

not anymore

[fierce elm]

It wasnt limited

Just the items are harder to get

[urban skiff]

no

[north thicket]

Did they hotfix the procs? It's a 652 ilev ring rn

[urban skiff]

With 75% reduced stats

[deft ridge]

yea, yesterday

[fickle sage]

so if im just starting gearing in pvp what order of gear should i buy?

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-son-goku-raining-monkeys-dbz-gif-17323443

[fickle sage]

like what pieces of gear should i start with grabbing?

[green wharf]

head, chest

[rancid granite]

don't worry too much about it just spam some bg's

you'll gear up in like a day

[green wharf]

get 2500 conq you get weapon

at 1600 rank yo get one piece for free, so legs

[rancid granite]

do the weeklies, get whatever bloody token gear you can while getting conq if you want

[fickle sage]

okay cool thx

[green wharf]

at some point you will get 9conquest heraldry, craft one ring and two other pieces who only need 3

[rancid granite]

yeah save conq weapon you get that free

[coarse scarab]

one more question whats the stat prio for arms slayer? I see bajheera and he stacks mastery rn

[urban skiff]

And if you can't wait for conq, do bloody tokens. Takes 9 world quests + the weekly sparks quest to get a 2h. Super easy to do while waiting for queues.

[rancid granite]

murlok.io is your best friend

[exotic forge]

[green anchor]

https://i.imgur.com/FKVjbbf.png

Should I get more haste

[fierce elm]

Feelycraft it up

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah more haste is good if slayer because slayer strikes is a hasted ppm proc

Like 6 or 7 ppm + haste if I recall correctly I forget 6 or 7

[green anchor]

https://i.imgur.com/M6YoJ4B.png

fully buffed

[urban skiff]

it's 7

[patent forum]

How’d your speed go down

And how is it at 11%

[green anchor]

maybe in the first pic the pvp stats didn't kick in idk

hitting pvp dummy

[patent forum]

You could use a little more haste prob

[urban skiff]

having speed is nice though

[patent forum]

I like 47-48% with full stacks

[green anchor]

speed is now stuck at 6% lol

https://i.imgur.com/lIGlC7P.png

does the quality of these matter for crafted pvp gear?

[fierce elm]

nope

[green anchor]

I know materials don't but wasn't sure about these

thx

[fierce elm]

Crafting quality does not matter at all for PvP gear

outside of gems/enchants

[sand sundial]

Didn't know this actually

[sand sundial]

I think Baj was playing the Colossus bleed

[green wharf]

noticed this when i reach 20% haste

it procs a lot

[coarse scarab]

Ah i see

thanks for the insight

[sharp meteor]

Ah yes haste slayer

Zero dam

[fierce elm]

full crit or no balls

[boreal veldt]

i actually messed with crit/mast slayer with the same spear setup i used for demolish but with BS instead and whoever is in that spear evaporates

but outside of ava/spear go it feels so bad lmfao

it was nice to press execute again though, forgot about that button

[sharp meteor]

Crit may function on Colo arms or prot

Otherwise so scuffed

[urban skiff]

time is now

damn, is buggy

[sharp meteor]

I thought purple was a raid thing.

[wheat jay]

my guy

in 1st post on wowhead

they've shown which color is pvp and which is pve

[exotic forge]

Purple is elite, W

[sharp meteor]

i mean i knew since the sets were datamined what the colors were

idk what that has to do with anything tho

[wheat jay]

eyo

this set

allows us to make a fucking Darius from league

LEGIT

WE'RE ALL DARIUS NOW

ITS GAME OVER MOFOS

[rancid granite]

there's def big axes to match too lmao

[boreal veldt]

ayo lettem cook

[sharp meteor]

wonder what the slayer set gonna look like in s3

idk what the slayer theme is even like

mountain thane most obvious

[wheat jay]

I am making this

100%

[fickle forge]

No haste warrior is the hottest garbage

[fickle forge]

I can't think of any season warr didn't want haste

[fickle forge]

Ma man has the Guts look

[faint girder]

Ok so this is a very VERY wierd question becuase ive reached kind of a "treshold" for myself when it comes to Arena due to just recently starting to play with Arena 1,2,3 macros .. i just feel overwhelmed my dudes .. like overwhelmed in a VERY unfun way to be honest .. im looking now for the spec or specs that has the least amount of abilites that need to use arena 1,2,3 macros. What pops up in my mind first and foremost is Retri and SP. Retri has Rebuke, Repent and Stun. SP has Silence and Psychic Horror. Any other specs that come into your folks minds? Thx in advance guys ..

[wheat jay]

I meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

ye

[sharp meteor]

[rancid granite]

HUH

[sharp meteor]

Now we just need the axe.

[rancid granite]

just dont use arena 123 macros l33py 👍

[fickle forge]

Warrior

The others have way more 123 macros

[faint girder]

what should I use then?

[rancid granite]

for what lol

[faint girder]

Warrs have more than Retri and SP

[fickle forge]

I'd say just get used to 123

It takes a bit, but it's worth it

[wheat jay]

you can just ignore 123 macros lol

[fickle forge]

Definitely not

[rancid granite]

yeah either dont use it or use it......... and then Q next

[wheat jay]

I tried, didnt like it

I use focus macros and mouseovers

ignore kargish

[fickle forge]

Also don't listen to Artji, he's the slowest sac user in the west

[rancid granite]

focus target for stormbolt rox thats about it

[wheat jay]

im the fastest sac layer in the west tho, your face can vouch for that

[boreal veldt]

Don't need to swing fast when enemy dead in 3

[wheat jay]

bitch

[boreal veldt]

[fickle forge]

I only have 123 on Intervene and kick as warr

[wheat jay]

too many

[fickle forge]

Ret I got 123 for sac, kick, BoP and freedom

[wheat jay]

intervene mouseover

kick focus and mouseover

[fickle forge]

Yeah I'm not like you bro

Pressing sac at 20% because you gotta place your mouse over somebody's frame first

[rancid granite]

also, learning new things and suckin at them at first doesnt need to be fun

[wheat jay]

sac usage is not as obvious as intervene my guy

cuz they can swap target

[fickle forge]

Stop

[wheat jay]

they cant swap target on intervene really

cuz you hit warrior or warrior

[fickle forge]

What

It's the literal same shit

Hello???

[wheat jay]

if i use sac on me, they can swap you or healer

if i use on you, they can swap me

if you intervene me, there's only you

[fickle forge]

No more cooking for you lil' bro

You are banned from the kitchen

[wheat jay]

imagine if you had spell reflect on friends, or you

youd have more decision making when using it

[sharp meteor]

siri what's the location of the nearest tall building

[fickle forge]

What about it bro

[rancid granite]

press F6 bro

issue: it REPLACES HEROIC LEAP

must be a bug

[sharp meteor]

doubled the cd and replaces leap

[rancid granite]

its literally same dragon charge right

[sharp meteor]

nah it turns now

[rancid granite]

lmao

[sharp meteor]

otherwise same

[fickle forge]

Watch people use it as another interrupt

[sharp meteor]

itll have its uses maybe

the aoe banner funni tho

walk into blitz team fight whole team just immune to cc lmao

[wheat jay]

still double cd with cd reduction talent?

for leap

[sharp meteor]

yeeee lemme check agian to be sure

[rancid granite]

warriors complain about mobility right.. so why not grab a skill that pushes enemies away from you?

[fickle forge]

It's a badly designed ability

It's just another kick or 0% pick rate

[sharp meteor]

wait is it affected by leap cdr

hmm

[sharp meteor]

ya outside of bgs seems bad

knocks on eots or w/e might be cool

[wheat jay]

should be

[sharp meteor]

but nerfed for prot for no reas which is sadge

[rancid granite]

dragon charge fun as hell in ebg's i know that much

[sharp meteor]

ye

20s cd

and leapies

super funs

[boreal veldt]

cant log into ptr

[wheat jay]

download is low i dunno why

[fickle forge]

It's nerfed for prot because it's prot

All nerfs for tanks are justified

[sand sundial]

how does this feel

looks kinda ass

[rancid granite]

its to push people off bridges in ebgs or away from flags

but still better talents to use it seems really lol

[urban skiff]

ENHANCEMENT SHAMAN

[urban skiff]

I just keep getting error, idk why. Error code link on blizz site says it'll solve itself

[sand sundial]

what better talents

they removed the best 2

and 2/3 are hard locked

[fierce elm]

Have played Warrior since MoP and have never used a 1,2,3 macro

so yeah

you dont need them

only true nerds will tell you you NEED certain macros

[wispy cedar]

Afro is only gladiator adjacent

real fnoob marerial

[fierce elm]

why are you cosplaying Scoobz

[wispy cedar]

I like how his skin feels

I was looking up steezo material and forgot I named myself Scooberz in here

[rancid granite]

the zerker shout seems yuge

[sand sundial]

which one

[sand sundial]

yeah but its too similar to berserker shout

fucking boring

[rancid granite]

yeah lol

[hasty pulsar]

so wait does that no longer break fear for party members or wat

[fickle forge]

It's War Banner wdym

[rancid granite]

banner is cool you can plant it and see it opposed to a shout

minor difference but =p

[copper fox]

123 macros on warrior is wild

Tf you even need to 123

[rancid granite]

stormbolt precision .1ms

[lavish quest]

I get by with just a few focus macros

[copper fox]

We are mongos we press stormbolt on cd into kill target regardless of DR

[rancid granite]

focus target healer stormbolts

and shockwave on kt

[merry valley]

/outfit v1 19681,67169,77343,77345,104602,83202,83203,67159,67173,67158,67167,67796,38926,-1,7640,38926,6836

new illusion actualy looks better than wowhead prev

not as thick as shadowflame but better than what we got last 3 seasons i think

in game dressing room not showing the enchant well so for it to show as it will prolly be, use link, reset dressing room mog, use link again and enchant will be thicker

[hasty pulsar]

LOL literally just wearing an honor flask that gives 15% honor

[boreal veldt]

some peeps cant read

[urban skiff]

why is my download so slow

[merry valley]

Could be worse

[rancid granite]

oof that dragonflight one still

is just so bad

[boreal veldt]

new banner kinda bad

[merry valley]

I feel if the fire wasnt so lower and the black smoke as thick as the purple in shadowflame it would look nice

[urban skiff]

noooooooo

PTR doesn't have conquest or bloody tokens for me to use on weapons

oh wait i'll buy on live and transfer, then refund after

[boreal veldt]

Currently there are no new PvP Crafting Plans also no new Bloodstones

[rancid granite]

it is just poopie, literally

[urban skiff]

confirmed, bloodstones are used in next season

stock up now if you need them

price already gone up 700g just today after they released ptr

[chilly pivot]

So much talk about next season, are u all guys alrdy gladiator this season?

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge @green wharf the dream is dead

[fickle forge]

Don't put it past Blizz that they just didn't implement the code right

[fickle forge]

Kick

Intervene

[urban skiff]

truth

[fickle forge]

If you wanna be special then SB

[urban skiff]

my build feels completely dead in 11.1

makes me sad

[exotic forge]

Haven't checked the PTR yet, what's the most interesting stuff

[urban skiff]

You get +1% raw dmg buff

[exotic forge]

From what

[urban skiff]

Two-Handed Weapon Specialization (Arms) is now a 2-point talent that grants 3% damage and 2% reduction of damage from area-of-effect attacks while wielding a 2-hand weapon per point.

Dual Wield Specialization (Fury) is now a 2-point talent that grants 3% damage and 2% movement speed while dual-wielding per point.

looks like MS also gets buffed +15% at no ost but I'm not sure

[sand sundial]

Forgot that existed

Even worse

Send help

[urban skiff]

You also get +4% ms if you're fury or +4% avoidance if arms(?)

[fickle forge]

What are you talking about

Lmao

It's literally a better version, even if it's inconvenient to use

@urban skiff You're on PTR right? Do you have to spec Berserker Shout for this PvP talent or can you be both Piercing and this?

[urban skiff]

not right now, but it says it replaces so I assume it's unavailable if you don't have shout

will check weird shit tomorrow if people make a list

[exotic forge]

I reckon it's worse than current berserker shout because that currently removes fear instantly. Granted, you get the war banner effect for the next cc but still

[urban skiff]

The new one does berserker shout too, right?

[fickle forge]

Either way, you're supposed to use this when you'd wanna use War Banner anyway

[exotic forge]

It only gives reduced duration on the next cc you get

And for your group

[urban skiff]

no

tooltip says remove and immune

[exotic forge]

Read the 2nd part. It reduces next cc by 50% on yourself and the group

[urban skiff]

"also"

I'm confused about the problem

[exotic forge]

Might be a wording thing

[urban skiff]

I'll put it on my list and put feedback in about it

I get what you say is the problem

[exotic forge]

Because you know Blizz, they make a tooltip read "also" but it does one thing and not the other

[boreal veldt]

It also doesn't correctly show it's cooldown when used

i think they fixed demolish?

it doesn't feel as doofy as it does on live even at low haste

instead of a 1-2.....3, it's more of a 1-2-3

nvm

[rancid granite]

:)

[sand sundial]

exactly why

[rancid granite]

laggy ass ptr tricking you?

[boreal veldt]

ayup

we still in the dumpster baybeeeee

[rancid granite]

i went back full arms slayer build; which then i can swap to colossus just fine

maybe itll feel better as the expac goes on and we can raise crit/mast while keeping haste higher

[boreal veldt]

whats really nice is nearly all of our tier has haste on it sans helmet

thats crazy

[hasty pulsar]

Didn’t I read they fixed demolish animation or some crap

Maybe it does actually work better now

[boreal veldt]

They were vague about it so i'll report back once i get some pvp in

[copper fox]

Who’s your 3rd intervene… I’ve never needed a 123 kick on warrior lol

[fickle forge]

123 or 12, you know what I mean man

Besides, I'd use 123 kick on all specs

[boreal veldt]

11.1 elite weapons are cooked lmfao

they genuinely look like world quest items

[fierce elm]

show it wtf

[rancid granite]

is there a bluepost of the ring being nerfed again?

[fickle forge]

Post em'

[boreal veldt]

hold up i just had to log out for a min i'll post some

[rancid granite]

lemme check'm out

oh they're like the freakin gadget kind

[fierce elm]

I fuck with this heavily

[rancid granite]

nothing matters but 2h swords/axes

[fierce elm]

Yeah I fuck with this

[copper fox]

Yo that sword has a flamethrower on it

[boreal veldt]

heres your elite 2h axe

1h sword

any other elite items you want?

[sand sundial]

🤢

[rancid granite]

this set goes hard too

[fierce elm]

I fuck with all of this

[sand sundial]

Polearm and Shield

[fierce elm]

Thank god we get some fucking DIY random bullshit thrown together weapons

In the GOBLIN patch

[sand sundial]

This is all not for me but I'm glad they're doing it

[rancid granite]

i mean it creates one hell of a vibe

[rancid granite]

i think they're really excited about drifting lol

[fierce elm]

oh my lord the fucking MINE flail

[rancid granite]

ngl that is actually pretty sweet

[boreal veldt]

no joke, the models are really good

but the colors for elite

whack

[sand sundial]

🤷‍♂️

I like the tier set look though

[boreal veldt]

however

bloody token

goes nuts

[exotic forge]

That armor you have

Is it normal mode gear?

[boreal veldt]

thats the raid mythic

[exotic forge]

Oh

[boreal veldt]

idk i think we come out on top with the dark purp

[rancid granite]

i want to get the purple mog for what we have now

but its like M+ raid? so ill grab it in 3 more expacs

[true tiger]

ARE THOSE RLYY ELITE WEAPONS?

[north thicket]

Hyped! The honor one looks pretty dope too

Only the Gladiator set and wpns look underwhelming

What's the chance to get a Goblin model visuals and racials update? A bit less funny feet and wider shoulders

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-angry-mad-furious-gif-14966285

[boreal veldt]

Yessir, we get bright purple elite weaponry

just think like a warhammer 40k ork, purple means sneaky

[north thicket]

I am often looking at some weapons art wondering what the guys from Forged in Fire think about this shit

Imagine actually holding a massive bad-ass mace on a tiny grip

[green wharf]

im downloading ptr right now

cant wait to say how fucking awful and letarded of then to remove mm pet

[true tiger]

mm pet gone?

[green wharf]

yeah

third time they try to euthanize

[true tiger]

well if they increase his KIT

why not

[green wharf]

because i need to attack stealth motherfuckers who sap me when im defending the bases

[verbal tangle]

play Night Elf

solved

[green wharf]

i rather shot myself

in the back of the head

[urban skiff]

I'm gonna try and write feedback and try to be convincing that it used to be 2h but now it's one-handed in ptr and that's a mistake

[boreal veldt]

I submitted feedback that can be summed up to "fix demolish fix demolish fix demolish fix demolish fix demolish"

paraphrasing of course

[green wharf]

basically did the same thing with hunter

"give me my fucking pet back you clowns"

[green wharf]

you can say it was changed in the patchnotes but it didnt went into ptr

[boreal veldt]

what you don't like your cute birb?

[green wharf]

imagine blizz killed your dog and give you a birdcage with a pigeon

absolute clowns

didnt like dragon charge change either

is fun, but its arguably worse and shitter than heroic leap

heroic leap you can jump to higher ground in some bgs, you can't be pushed back, or stopped, like you can in mid charge

and im sure they are not going to fix you being slowed while you carry the flag

[boreal veldt]

well i can at least say for arms, the tier set is weird but doesn't feel too bad, and the ms buff is v nice, in pvp the OP buff goes down from 10% to 9% per stack

[green wharf]

i dont know where is the npcs that sell stuff so i didnt tried that

[urban skiff]

yeah I couldn't find that npc either

[boreal veldt]

it's right outside the dorn main building with the org/sw portal

just walk down the steps and toward the main square and you'll see em next to the archway

[urban skiff]

i never realized how long a way that is when flight is disabled..

[sweet zinc]

been fucking around with prot in pvp... it's surprisingly really good

the pvp talents are absolutely nutty

[sharp meteor]

It's fun.

[sweet zinc]

bro I'm having a blast

[sharp meteor]

I just wish shield slam did a little bit more damage. Or maybe we had a healing reduction.

At least the execute finishing powder is sauced.

[sweet zinc]

if shield slam did more with bodyguard it'd be too op I think

[sharp meteor]

Bodyguard is already very op in its niche.

You make ur boi immune to physical dam

need ww or havoc to be s+++ tier

[sweet zinc]

what makes havoc so good with it?

[green wharf]

at least warrior tree is more "clean"

but it sucks to lose the sap/fear reduction

[faint girder]

how many targeted interupts/CC does Enchance and Ele have? Enchance have only 2 or 3 right? and Ele the same?

ranged interrupt, hex and what else?

[urban skiff]

Sundering, burrow, thunderstorm, hex, cap totem 1+2, static totem + totemic projection, grounding if it's targetted

Pseudo interrupt

[slow solstice]

zercher

hi

is enh good

or that sshit good since pve ruined it

[green wharf]

how is burrow a cc/interrupt

[faint girder]

Ah sundering, forgot about that one. Thunderstorm is AoE right? And same with all of the totems?
Whats burrow btw?

Ah now I know what burrow is - that seems to be AoE as well?

[fierce elm]

Burrow is not a CC/Interrupt in the usual sense

in the 'If you ever use this for CC/interrupt you are DUMB'

[urban skiff]

Knockup when it ends

[urban skiff]

If you're burrowed you might as well use the knockup when it ends to disrupt further. If you use thunderstorm with the extra knockback on a burrowed target they just go far far away so that's also a neat detail.

[urban skiff]

Thunderstorm is a knockback, or a knockup. If you pick up the range talent you can also target someone else. I made a macro that makes it target my enemy target's friendly target with thunderstorm. It's rare but gold when it's useful

[north thicket]

@Zercher are you moving to Greenland for the US passport to become a first-class citizen of the world? 😄

[elfin surge]

yeah frost mages are a really cool and fun class to fight

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry6-gustavo-fringe-haha-i-was-acting-gif-26854004

[lavish quest]

Whats the issue? Warriors are op, mages are victims amirite?

[elfin surge]

[green wharf]

mages buffed

[fierce elm]

Every CC like that changed

so yeah?

[green wharf]

making these kind of disables even more pwoerful

[fierce elm]

yes

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

We have talked about this and how it might be dumb as fuck lmao

[green wharf]

i only saw the freezing trap one

didnt knew they were going to do with all

its going to be so damn annoying

[fierce elm]

Guess what content they are changing it for : )

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

Perhaps it might be M+, just perhaps it might be

lmao

[fickle forge]

'Ah shit guys we made literally every button AoE with this expansion, CC breaks too easily now'

😴

[exotic forge]

After testing Dragon Charge on PTR, I gotta say it's more troublesome than it is useful

[green wharf]

yeah

prob fun for the lulz in a random bg

to drop people from eye of the storm

[exotic forge]

That's its only use tbh

[urban skiff]

lmao what

Greenland has horrible internet and the trip to and from Denmark is horrible

@fickle forge looks like enh next season is totemic + lava lash + sundering from early testing..

Whether we can skip peewave or not is up in the wind

I'm not enjoying totemic with stormstrike build without Ride The Lightning, but maybe it's because I'm not using crash lightning on cooldown, idk

The loss of ancestral guidance is probably going to cost enh dearly. That's a massive amount of healing we're losing for no real damage or other damage reduction

i feel like skillcapped is just targeting me specifically now

[fickle forge]

Looking like an ele angle

[urban skiff]

I mean i'll just be swapping stormstrike for lava lash and everything will be the same

right?

I hear the peewave storm thing is pretty kickass

I'm not a fan of the new lightning bolt at the same time they gut stormbringer/stormstrike builds :S

[fickle forge]

Oh well

Just another time Blizz allowed enh to be mid for a single season before gutting it again

[urban skiff]

mid ability, top fun

That's what hurts

[fierce elm]

The enhance cycle

[urban skiff]

So wonder what the play will be

[elfin surge]

[urban skiff]

kind of surprised i'm not seeing more totem of wrath in bgb from other enh

Between that and shamanism you have the potential to buff a friend up to the gills with damag emods

[elfin surge]

whats with this shaman talk

[urban skiff]

shaman is the true SMF Thane build

[elfin surge]

KAP

Warrior or gym chat

[urban skiff]

enh is gym chat tho

[elfin surge]

[urban skiff]

what are you training today MUD?

[green wharf]

mine is looking so damn lit with the new sets

[fierce elm]

you dont workout

wdym

[green wharf]

need the 2h shammy for the korkron 2h axe

[urban skiff]

the dream is already dead

it's mud-over

[elfin surge]

you dont play warrior

[urban skiff]

you PLAY warrior?

[elfin surge]

I've been gaming recently

[fierce elm]

where stream

[fierce elm]

I went back to just dummy training now

[elfin surge]

why would i stream

[fierce elm]

Just doing 5x5 main then 3x12 on accessories

[fierce elm]

so you can prove you played

[urban skiff]

brutal

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/rohan-jjba-daga-kotowaru-i-refuse-refuse-gif-7385649

[fierce elm]

Adding 2.5kgs weekly on main lifts

probs doing 4 days/week

[elfin surge]

wow pvp views are crazy dead rn

[urban skiff]

how much did you backoff first?

[elfin surge]

venruki getting 400 views

[fierce elm]

Today was rows

[elfin surge]

criminal

[lavish quest]

For the riches and the egirls

Duh

[fierce elm]

Started at 130kg today for pendlay rows

[urban skiff]

snupy has like 4 comments on a 6 day old video

[fierce elm]

But can do 5x5 at like 145-150

[urban skiff]

on youtube

[fierce elm]

But figured I would just increase slowly

[lavish quest]

Wow views dead in general

[elfin surge]

yeah nobody playing its sad

[lavish quest]

Dead end of the patch

[fierce elm]

Probably doing 120-125 on bench to start

[lavish quest]

Rivals is out. Poe2 is out.

Why care about wow lul

[fierce elm]

Like 150 on RDLs ish

[urban skiff]

I'm saving all my juices for MHWilds

[fierce elm]

Then BW for Pullups first week

[lavish quest]

I'm still working on MHW. But I accept that's not talk of the town atm lol

[urban skiff]

MHWorld still has a huge playerbase

I'd play it too if I hadn't experienced MHRise and now I can't go back to pre-jet-engine-gunlance-days

[urban skiff]

are you doing splits or pseudo-fullbody+

[fierce elm]

Splits between 4 body parts

But 2 back

One day is just Pullups, accessories I cba doing other days

[urban skiff]

I was always a fan of doing fullbody with horisontal push, horisontal pull, vertical push, vertical pull, legs. And then split each session up so it's heavy push and volume pull. It worked really well for a long time and was fun

[fierce elm]

Rest are Back/chest/legs

Yeah I dont like full body lmao

Then do total 100 reps on accessories just how BBB sets it up

split in body parts

[urban skiff]

It's not a true fullbody though, could do them back to back in emergencies

[fierce elm]

But yeah day 4 is mostly because back can tolerate high volume

and it allows me to do the boring stuff

Such as shoulders/traps/calves/grip

that I hate doing otherwise lmao

[urban skiff]

My days are still just "bench + light accessory work" "deadlift + light accessory load" "OHP + light accessory load", where light accessory would be stuff like zerchers 5x10 at 60%

[fierce elm]

Im just dummy training now

[urban skiff]

or 5x10 pullups or 5x10 dips or stuff

[fierce elm]

Because cba thinking about it lmao

And can be flexible with accessories

Also combines well with Snowboarding etc, then get 4 deload days every 2 months due to school

So can progress until then, take a deload, remove about 5kg on each mail lift then restart

Until I cant increase more then I am probably just doing 531 BBB again

[urban skiff]

My too, I got a spreadsheet that I just follow, 6 out of 7 sessions for each lift ends with an AMRAP so it's always adjusted to performance for the day. When AMRAP set drops below 3 reps I might consider backoff again

brain is off, just increase the modifier in excel once in a while and snap a new pic of my new program

[fierce elm]

I figure I got about 2-3 weeks before sets start getting grueling, maybe 4 weeks

[fickle forge]

We get 1 season per expansion

Except for DF

[fierce elm]

Probably gonna do this for 3-4 months then move over to 531

get that spark baxk

[urban skiff]

no clue what to do next season if i don't figure out a way to make elementalist hit the right dopamine nodes

Maybe it's a playstyle issue

maybe it's my brain

[fickle forge]

3s at least still feel somewhat alive when you Q it

[urban skiff]

531 is my comfort program

[fickle forge]

Play ret maybe

[fierce elm]

and it just works lmao

[elfin surge]

I've been having fun qn 3s with the boys even though its a bit sus rn (we kinda suck)

[fierce elm]

We cant queue 3s rn

because our healer has no internet lmao

[fickle forge]

Q time is still short and we aren't facing the same 9 people on repeat atm

[elfin surge]

Yeah I qd into 5 different frost mage teams yesterday

was really fun

[fickle forge]

Idk man, I just enjoy 3s way more than I do shuffle

[urban skiff]

play enh

[fierce elm]

Shuffle is a vibe

[urban skiff]

frostmage is like yummy

[elfin surge]

everyone does

shuff is aids

[fierce elm]

if queues were shorter I would never touch 3s again lmao

[green wharf]

cause you can talk shit in discord and have fun

[fickle forge]

Nah dude I definitely prefer 3s

[green wharf]

you can even win 2x3 sometimes

is neat

[fickle forge]

It's way more competitive and I can actually play the game without sitting 40 min in Q

[elfin surge]

after coming back i can tell that damage is fucking crazy rn

games are like 1 minute

lol

[urban skiff]

odd, usually it's 2 minutes, maybe 2 minutes 20 seconds

Just enough time for people to get out a second round of big cds

[elfin surge]

1-2 minute

i think 2-3 minutes are good for arena

but rn theres no down time

[urban skiff]

I grew up on arenas lasting foreeeeever

[elfin surge]

im dying all game and the enemy is dying all game

[urban skiff]

hunters, priests, warlocks, just manaburning and rdruids just drinking everywhere

it was always such a tight balancing act to keep pressure up while also burning mana

[elfin surge]

lol yeah mana isnt really a thing rn

i havent had a game go to mana yet

[urban skiff]

healers shouldn't have mana anymore

It should be like rogue energy but go to 1000 instead

[elfin surge]

keep yappin bro

[urban skiff]

I will

because I'm too dumb to understand sarcasm

[elfin surge]

what was sarcasm

[urban skiff]

Just take out mana and make healers work off of something else

Some be cooldown casters, others use energy

idc

warrior healer, give them rage

[elfin surge]

nobody really uses mana anymore

casters dont

[urban skiff]

that's my point

make healers be limited by something else in the long fights

[elfin surge]

well its not like warrior uses rage either

for arms that is

[fickle forge]

Remember that time in BFA destro got so much haste, they actually OOM'd on spamming their shit?

So Blizz buffed their mana as response

Mana for casters is really just for their utility

So mages can't hit spellsteal all the time

And you can't purge all game

[elfin surge]

game is designed for m+ speed running dungeons no time for drinking

[urban skiff]

I remember "arcane" mage in TBC used to be literally OOMing and having to play around OOM and un-OOMing

have to pick the right level of arcane blast to allow mana to regenerate to a specific level so you could hit max mana x seconds before evoke and mana gem was ready again or some shit

sounds oddly like just using energy on a long scale

[green wharf]

what the fuck is OOM'D

and ooming

is this a innuendo

[urban skiff]

it's like when you can't press rampage

but in a dress

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-talking-about-what-is-going-on-what-confused-confused-look-gif-19302294

[fickle forge]

Arcane right now is still about mana I believe

They still use Evoc to replenish their pool

[urban skiff]

I think they brought it back, more than that they kept arcane like that all this time

but you had to downrank offensive spells and even swap from arcane blast to frostbolt or fireball to get mana back

that part isn't still in

[fickle forge]

That also sounds horrendous

[green wharf]

imagine if people who use mana, had to manage their mana

like we do with rage and energy/focus

healers dont die even with 1% mana

[fickle forge]

Yeah they do?

Skill issue if you can't kill an oom'd healer

Besides mana and rage/energy aren't at all the same

[urban skiff]

enh plays entirely without resources

i guess they have a sort of combo point