Only use I can find to it is anger management synergy
#pvp
knotty oasis
green wharf
this is my build for next patch
rancid granite
find 2 points for spear, no?
spear may not be the best but surely worth 2 points you can take from elsewhere
green wharf
find 2 points for spear, no?
pffft
spear
fuck spear
and the only point you can take is the bitter immunity
but i would rather put into +1 second of shockwave or howl
green wharf
ms?
rancid granite
fleet footed?
green wharf
you need to take, other you cant get the rest
rancid granite
oh you didnt take intervene tut tut tut
green wharf
its that or bitter immunity
exotic forge
Kinda stupid they'd make the weapon spec talent 2 points instead of leaving as it is
torn sigil
fleet instead of intervene is crazy
rancid granite
oh
green wharf
fleet instead of intervene is crazy
you need to get fleet or war machin
rancid granite
wtf i missed that being new then
rancid granite
fleet foot + dual wield specialization + the movement speed meta gem + the enrage talent that gives haste/ms then
lets go
green wharf
If war machine still gave haste on top of speed it'd be good
it doesnt
and only work if you kill someone
useless in shuffle
or arenas in general
exotic forge
That's my point. It works on pets, or used to anyways
It was fun to fight dk's and spriests using Psyfiend for that
Free haste baby
green wharf
torn sigil
so is arms jover next patch or whats the consensus?
urban skiff
so is arms jover next patch or whats the consensus?
Arms base kit is so good it's literally impossible to break it
Other people getting new toys is gonna sting however
torn sigil
Arms base kit is so good it's literally impossible to break it
you kinda spittin here for once ngl
but we gotta see how the zerker rage change actuallly comes
rancid granite
is that like rogue's sub mindset? maybe not as great in SS but better in 3v3
arms tree and its base kit i mean
urban skiff
you kinda spittin here for once ngl
wdym for once? I'm always right
like 60% of the time I'm right all the time
torn sigil
would be if arms wasnt paper in 3s
urban skiff
would be if arms wasnt paper in 3s
next season you're going to cap vers at 30% with full crafted gear
I didn't do the math but that's what my intuition is telling me. And maybe it's a bit close with full crafts
green wharf
they barely touch arms, only fucked with some fury talents and prot
at least give a glint of hope they are saving for the rework of this godawful spec
urban skiff
they barely touch arms, only fucked with some fury talents and prot
I'd rate the general tree changes as arms buffs
Significantly more freedom by swapping stormbolt and rallying cry
If you opt out of rallying cry you free up a pvp talent, since you won't have much out of battlefield commander anymore
urban skiff
wait what's going on?
did they do that already?
lol, I'm like a full patch behind on the top of the tree
green wharf
arms didnt change much
this is the ptr
exotic forge
No idea why you'd play without battlefield commander
urban skiff
No idea why you'd play without battlefield commander
why do you want it?
exotic forge
More damage from roar, bigger howl, stam buff
urban skiff
You should be wanting berserker roar in 11.1, for the new banner effect, that loses you howl
exotic forge
I don't know what else you'd play outside of sharpen and storm
urban skiff
if you want roar you lose the howl range.
some people opt out of troar these days, for them this is a nice option
You don't pick it up for 3% stamina or 15 cdr on intimidating shout. So really it's a matter of wanting the damage boost on troar and rallying cry rootbreak.
I'm not done thinking my thought through, but it's not a horrible tradeoff if you're going to skip troar
torn sigil
sharpen is 100% mandatory imo
exotic forge
Unless you're fighting disc priests
torn sigil
i only dont take commander when vs rogue mage and take disarm and war baner
frank knoll
Aren’t they changing how sharpen works?
urban skiff
Aren’t they changing how sharpen works?
correct, we're getting more sharpens per minute
sharp meteor
Aren’t they changing how sharpen works?
ya its awful LMAO
unless they extend duration or something
urban skiff
urban skiff
unless they extend duration or something
you're going to have less than 30 sec cd on colossus smash, no?
oooh wait yeah I get the issue now
Higher uptime but we cannot use it in extension of a cc chain
rancid granite
seems awful still
but im smooth brain idk
i thought the general thing was cc healer and burst target
so if its tied to burst you gotta switch around the order of things otherwise its heal reduc while healer is cc
oir hjust cc target so they cant use defensives and burst them and ignore healer 🤷
fickle forge
would be if arms wasnt paper in 3s
Arms more durable than fury bro
Even if thane has equalized that a bit
chilly pivot
i never tryd Thane in pvp, is much better then slayer in 3s?
rancid granite
Arms more durable than fury bro
is it really much though it always seems like arms is just as squish
fickle forge
is it really much though it always seems like arms is just as squish
Colossus arms is pretty hard to kill
Thane fury may be roughly equal to slayer arms
rancid granite
logically seems that way it just dont feel like it to me
but like i said smooth brain
fickle forge
logically seems that way it just dont feel like it to me
Just think of it this way
IP > BT
rancid granite
i forget fbv is a thing
fickle forge
FbV during CDs has been ticking for pretty decent heals for me
rancid granite
easy to overlook but yeah def adds up
throw in IP adding up over the match too i probably forget to press it lots
urban skiff
holy shit it's intentional
chilly pivot
holy shit it's intentional
what is this
urban skiff
what is this
it's 2h enhancement becoming a thing
I mean not intentional in the sense that they want to let us choose the playstyle. But it's intentional that they're letting us use stormstrike with a 2h and not a 1h
Removing the off-hand requirement would have been less intrusive change than switching from a one-hand + off-hand requirement to mainhand
chilly pivot
big dmg
urban skiff
For me it's +50% dps
during all times, burst and no burst
this is a 20%-30% nerf though to my burst
slow solstice
holy shit it's intentional
@pale hull 
pale hull
verbal tangle
rugged temple
there's like maybe 25 groups total in all of NA right now for premade 2s and 3s combined
crazy how shuffle and blitz took everyone
wheat jay
shuffle and blitz arent that much more popular
just pvp dying
less and less popular every passing season
lavish quest
Because enrage is no longer an enrage effect
true tiger
not rly.pvp been good this season ngl
but ofc its almost seasons end so it gonna be less popular rn than it was but season 2 gonna bring people back
fierce elm
It can be as good as it wants as thats a personal opinion
But PvP has been dwindling heavily since about week three
And is now a desolate waste at higher ratings
More wasteland than it usually is
wheat jay
Ugly mount
Noone wants it
So there's fewer people going for rewards
Pvp elite colors are also kinda wack
true tiger
couldnot agree more
mount is rly ugly
my glad friend lit stopped pushing for glad in 3v3 and went for blitz bcs mount was too ugly for him
wheat jay
Elite colors are ass too, so people don't even go for 1800
Some of my guildies used to at least get 1800
Now there's none
Noone even wanted to play guild rated bgs this season
And its not a blitz issue cuz they don't play blitz either
boreal veldt
But PvP has been dwindling *heavily* since about week three
i've been running into the same peeps in random bgs let alone rated
pvp is the barrens
just waiting for 11.1 at this point
wheat jay
End of season is usually high popularity time for pvp
green anchor
Why do guides say the ring is so nerfed in pvp it's not worth using
I think it's pretty good
🤔
rugged temple
do we know what season 2 elite set looks like yet?
green anchor
I believe so
rugged temple
hmmm idk
north thicket
Why do people play spear without the might talent? just baseline
rancid granite
psychopaths
wheat jay
Purple is elite
rugged temple
looks low effort tbh like something you would get from questing
true tiger
idk man.set looks so basic
boreal veldt
set design is good but the colors need something else
i mean side by side with just the world/delve sets is like night and day
the purple and the pacific rim colors are the only notable tier colors imo
wheat jay
set design is good but the colors need something else
Raid colors are better
boreal veldt
what was the last warr elite set that was BiS
wheat jay
what was the last warr elite set that was BiS
Legion s6
Antorus elite set, black and red, best warrior set ever
boreal veldt
DF S2
wasn't there like next to no difference from elite df s2 and one of the raid color except pvp was white trim instead of black?
chilly pivot
https://imgur.com/FTdPzuV
why u have more BT dmg then Raging blow?
green anchor
I'm very bloodthirsty 
exotic forge
wasn't there like next to no difference from elite df s2 and one of the raid col...
Aberrus Heroic? Yeah pretty much
wheat jay
Ye elite was lighter thats all haha
green wharf
the heroic one is so much cooler with black tint
true tiger
RAID FINDER BEST COLOR
green wharf
The red is too bright
the elite set that have brighter red though?
and white, making standing even more
wheat jay
the elite set that have brighter red though?
Ye but white
White and bright red, black and dark red
Then it's good
You dont mix those or they look off in wow
wheat jay
Its bright red and black
Which is bad
Dark red and black is legion antorus elite set
Or mythic brf set from wod
wheat jay
Smh
rancid granite
its on the patch notes Dark red is no longer a dark red color
right next to Enrage changes
wheat jay
Its not dark dark
boreal veldt
it's the same red, the white makes it look brighter and the black makes it look darker, color trick
wheat jay
If it was darker red it would look much better, thats my whole point
wheat jay
it's the same red, the white makes it look brighter and the black makes it look ...
Isnt gold on elite set lighter too?
boreal veldt
Isnt gold on elite set lighter too?
only on shoulders and helm, the gold trim is basically all the same lol
wheat jay
Fair enough
Still, darker red would make the set look better
Is there anyone with some Photoshop skills and 2min of free time?
green wharf
atji is redblind confirmed
wheat jay
anything darker looks better
Don't do it
Dont make me say things that might nuke pvp again
Stop it
green wharf
Dont make me say things that might nuke pvp again
boreal veldt
green wharf
Not gonna listen to Afro and kargish complaining again
So you need their permission
understandable
chilly pivot
gg
green wharf
man, after you reach 20% haste as arms it finnaly feels playable
still shit and shit survival, but with a pocket healer you can do nasty
rancid granite
thats why i dont know how bless can play his low haste big crit/mast build lol
need that haste baseline big time
boreal veldt
big number
zug
it's slower but having ms do 800k-1mil crits w/ dwounds up just feels good to me
green wharf
i can do that with slayer full haste
boreal veldt
your slayer is hitting baseline 1mill ms crit?
not talking about target dummy
cause i have 30% worth of reasons why that should be cap
green wharf
your slayer is hitting baseline 1mill ms crit?
between 800 and 1kk on a Ms crit yeah
its all about stacking all the shit
i will pay more attention to details next time
boreal veldt
its all about stacking all the shit
stacking modifiers ofc
if i stack mods i'm doing well into upper 1.9-2.2mill
green wharf
but its like, two stack of overpower
umbral cypress
When does the season end? I took a break but want to come back to hit 1800
wanton sun
What is considered the best horde race for pvp for warrior? still orc? Wasn't sure if it changed after all the recent racial changes
green wharf
When does the season end? I took a break but want to come back to hit 1800
i think february? dont have the right time, but you got time
green wharf
What is considered the best horde race for pvp for warrior? still orc? Wasn't su...
there is a number of good ones, orc is current better, but not by much
frank turret
Made a huntard and after 15 years of warrior I’m really close to switching main. It feels so nice doing arenas on hunter and not having to constantly chase all the time.
green wharf
frank turret
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
I know it’s sad. They keep giving every class more mobility but won’t give use more than 2 charges
urban skiff
I know it’s sad. They keep giving every class more mobility but won’t give use m...
name new mobility other classes have gotten recently
frank turret
One example is warlock insta gate but caster mobility has always been op. Especially mage and Druid
Shape shifting shouldn’t remove slows or if it does then put a bigger cd on shifting
urban skiff
One example is warlock insta gate but caster mobility has always been op. Especi...
sure, always OP. But "keep giving" is hyperbole when the mobility market has been mostly stagnant for a while now, while they've shaved a bit of mobility off the big outliers like warrior over two expansions
frank turret
Yeah wording not the best but I’m just sick of chasing everything
It gets so old so fast
urban skiff
Roll enhancement shaman
The people you want to hit the most are going to always feel motivated to be right in your face and the people who are trying the hardest to avoid you, you wipe out in ascendance with a tab-target
we literally force everyone to walk tightropes for time
and mistakes happen
frank turret
I thought about a shamy but made a bm hunter because it’s so cheesy
frank turret
Even if I get rooted or stunned my dmg doesn’t stop because of pets
urban skiff
This is just pure joy to play
frank turret
Haha maybe I’ll try it next. I kinda wanna do a healer too but i don’t think I’ll like healing
urban skiff
Enh is the kind of spec where I get sad when I win a shuffle round, because I'm not done pressing stormstrikes!
frank turret
Yeah isn’t ele better rn though? More comp options? Or is the learning curve harder in ele?
urban skiff
Might be better?
But better doesn't trump fuuuuuun
at least imho
I've got like 3-4 more specs I want to gear up and grab 1800 transmog on but I just keep logging back into shaman
unfortunately it's pre-nerf where stormstrikes procced ascendance
But those were some fun times
frank turret
True haha might be good for me to play something just for fun. I spend so much time trying to play perfect and push all the time that most of the time I’m not even having fun
I haven’t had fun in PvP since SL
I just do it for rewards
hot solstice
we literally force everyone to walk tightropes for time
Fear/stun/disarm, byebye
elfin surge
@fickle forge frost TSG is back
green wharf
isnt kfc murica chicken or something
fickle forge
<@278157108791476224> frost TSG is back
Man's finally listening
idle falcon
unfortunately it's pre-nerf where stormstrikes procced ascendance
please put it back but it only procs on mages
urban skiff
please put it back but it only procs on mages
Lol
green wharf
please put it back but it only procs on mages
idle falcon
like
every class should have a one-shot ability
but it only works on mages
each time a mage blinks or uses alter time etc
you charge 20%
when u reach 100%
u one-shot the mage with your next attack
so it can be balanced
and if mages blink into a wall or an object they should immedietly die
so it can be lore accurate
according to lore blink is a very advanced spell
and if you blink into an object or wall you suffocate to death
so i think it should be a feature
hot solstice
<@278157108791476224> frost TSG is back
back to F-tier comp
green wharf
still didnt find a game btw
exotic forge
Just go outside bro
fickle forge
back to F-tier comp<:keks:936231610850897992>
It's pretty fun as colossus arms though
green wharf
Just go outside bro
is fucking hot outside
hot solstice
Fun unless enemy team trade 1 trinket every 45sec
So cringe demolish doesn’t immune all cc
hot solstice
I wish they just changed racial for choice. Remove roots/stuns/fears/debuffs…hate gnome meta
elfin surge
It's pretty fun as colossus arms though
FURY FROST DK MW
hot solstice
Mastery thane with powerful enrage kinda destroying with rampages
idle falcon
Mastery thane with powerful enrage kinda destroying with rampages
Real
hot solstice
If only it wasn’t slow af
elfin surge
Im freezing
idle falcon
I honestly think mountain thane is really good against paladins and mages
idle falcon
Bro i would freeze instantly and shatter
fickle forge
FURY FROST DK MW
It's crazy with thane fr
hot solstice
Nah it’s only good if u can cleave
elfin surge
It's crazy with thane fr
ye thane spear
hot solstice
Spear
idle falcon
Bro i would freeze instantly and shatter
Like it's 21 here in Egypt and im wearing a jacket in the house
fickle forge
It's like 2%-4% of my dam at the end of a game
fickle forge
Nah it’s only good if u can cleave
Which you can in frost TSG
hot solstice
No I just say spear is piss
hot solstice
Crit
fickle forge
You get it for free lil' bro
Fury critting all the time baseline
And when Roar barely tickles on fury
May as well opt for the burst
green wharf
got a game now, stomp, why even feel
elfin surge
Spear<:keks:936231610850897992>
seems good with frost dk
urban skiff
Mud is also danish🫠
fickle forge
Fr
green wharf
damn 27m q for dps, monday and everyone is out i think
exotic forge
It's Monday morning, everyone's working
sterile moth
Sleeping
green wharf
its like 10am here
devout wagon
Do we go new ring or we lack vers ?
green wharf
what
devout wagon
As arms
green wharf
ah
rancid granite
you guys are lucky and can do the cold plunge ice baths easy in that weather
green wharf
new ring i think its only good for fury
devout wagon
Okey thanks
rancid granite
slayer fury or high haste fury anyway it seems
fickle forge
but dont kids play at this hour
There are no kids in WoW bro
We're all adults who were kids when vanilla was around
elfin surge
There are no kids in WoW bro
clearly you dont go to goldshire
i dont either but
its all little children
fickle forge
clearly you dont go to goldshire
Yeah, I clearly don't
exotic forge
its all little children
^^
They all sit on the fuckin fence being "depressed" or some other thing
Buncha weirdos
elfin surge
i dont understand it
fickle forge
When ya'll went to Goldshire I went to the gym to tank the new year resolution people here in Jan
fickle forge
Surely they buy playtime with all the money they make from edating
exotic forge
You'd be surprised
green wharf
There are no kids in WoW bro
fickle forge
But I mean it's not like it's any less sad than getting glad/R1 because you gave away your body
elfin surge
i like going to goldshire and killing them on their little edate
green wharf
wow cant gain new players to save its life
fickle forge
i like going to goldshire and killing them on their little edate
Aren't they out of warmode?
green wharf
its all little children
only on the mind
elfin surge
Aren't they out of warmode?
Warmode goldshire is where its at
fickle forge
Warmode goldshire is where its at
Surely that must be deserted
rancid granite
meanwhile, pvpers 'standing around' in Q for 99% of their game time
elfin surge
na its pretty big ngl
i go to goldshire while i sit in bg qs just to fuck with alliance
killing their egirl is a war crime there
shit gets real
rancid granite
we've heard the voice clips bro we know how real it gets
fickle forge
killing their egirl is a war crime there
I'd go NA and roll Hpala to assist in this tbh
fickle forge
Pay the sub fee just to kill ewhores
wheat jay
time to do my one singular shuffle q for this month
exotic forge
It gets so sweaty for no reason
fickle forge
time to do my one singular shuffle q for this month
Survival?
wheat jay
ye
fickle forge
As long as you beat Dailyshuffle bro
wheat jay
in what
fickle forge
Rating
wheat jay
i already beat him in life
exotic forge
You kill one person. "Okay you're farmed" and they bring the whole raid to farm you
fickle forge
he is literally 1800 on survi
Daily out here making MM work, but can't make survival work
It's a weird thing
wheat jay
i dunno
man can't handle being in melee
we can 2s if you want too
i see you online you lil bitch
fickle forge
I just don't get why he doesn't go insane from playing 3.5k shuffles
wheat jay
no clue man
fickle forge
2s has been so unenjoyable for me this season
fickle forge
maybe he doesnt go insane cuz he's playing 3s with lontar, bank, jayti, etc
Don't be a hater just because a rank 1 in the making is playing with rank 1s?
wheat jay
no clue man
elfin surge
2s has been so unenjoyable for me this season
lol literally everyone
wheat jay
man hoiw is this so good
wheat jay
elite is purple afaik
green wharf
they did not say which one is which
wheat jay
meanwhile hunter 😄 😄 😄
green wharf
just datamined stuff
green wharf
meanwhile hunter 😄 😄 😄
lavish quest
he is literally 1800 on survi
So are you?
wheat jay
So are you?
2100 this season xD
wheat jay
<:keks:936231610850897992>
ngl its one of the better hunt sets
wheat jay
thats pvp color
lavish quest
2100 this season xD
Like that's hard
wheat jay
Like that's hard
nope lol
green wharf
seaon 3 will be fucking sentinel and elf shit
lavish quest
I'm multi 1200 and even I can do that
green wharf
fickle forge
@merry needle I ain't gonna lie bro
Ascendance burst on ele seems way stronger than on enh
wheat jay
wrong tag
wheat jay
too big of shoulders
green wharf
better, but sitll think overall is a bit too much
like over clothed
which other colors are there?
wheat jay
green wharf
i think i like the black/red one a bit better
tulip sail
for fury is full mastery or does it need some haste percentage too?
fickle forge
It'd still aim for 10%-15% haste even if you go powerful
tulip sail
alright, was asking because i see some of the top of the ladder with one or two pieces of haste
green wharf
even with two pieces i think you can get like 12%~17%
i would make sure mastery is at elast 31% before going haste
and verst is 25%
tulip sail
thanks!
rancid granite
sterile moth
Be patient my son
sterile moth
Practice rotation on the dummies. Get your reps in
rancid granite
i was gonna cancel Q but ill wait now lmao
green wharf
in four hours of q i only played 3 games
rancid granite
inevitable
rancid granite
lyric violet
hey thanks
rancid granite
its the dmg proc ones
rancid granite
i dont run iut on thane build its so low dmg
rancid granite
slayer with frenzied it did so much better
fierce elm
takes 2 seconds
green wharf
why isnt there a 2h version of this sword
yo, its actually pretty great the model
fierce elm
you just do the same event over and over 3 times
green wharf
isnt this better
fierce elm
The legendary citrine is what people are split on generally
urban skiff
Ascendance burst on ele seems way stronger than on enh
You better try my build soon. Just full haste full send
wheat jay
The legendary citrine is what people are split on generally
you are a citrine ❤️
fickle forge
You better try my build soon. Just full haste full send
Nein
fierce elm
wtf
rancid granite
i havent tried the others
fierce elm
Because those have the best resukrs
Particularly the undersea citrine
since it just blasts cleave constantly
urban skiff
https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-season-2-tier-set-models-datamined-in-war-withi...
Why is shaman set ugly though
fierce elm
Why is shaman set ugly though
every shaman set
green wharf
i dont see why the squall is better than the legendary if the legendary just use the others at 150% power
maybe proc rate is too low
fierce elm
Proc rate is lower
wheat jay
Why is shaman set ugly though
every shaman set is ugly
its a novelty that hunter looks decent
never happened before
fickle forge
@wheat jay He was cosplaying outlaw bro
fierce elm
then do it 3 times for the 3 gems
sterile moth
That’s like half a rampage, does he have a cancel aura rampage macro
elfin surge
battleground bleh
sterile moth
@elfin surge do you have any plans to stream again?
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> do you have any plans to stream again?
next season
sterile moth
Awesome, looking forward to it
fickle forge
How does upgrading the ring work gang
lyric violet
blitz makes no fuckin sense
other team
2400 2500 2300
random assortment of ratings
my team
me 2200
closest guy to me 1900
rest all dogshit low rating
green wharf
battleground bleh
more fun than going shuffle with all the meta slaves and fucking shadowmeld
lyric violet
cool i dont want you on my team LOL
green wharf
neither do i lol
lyric violet
thats what im complaining about (not specifically you) but no players
green wharf
lyric violet
crazy the number says 1700 tho
misinformation
i would just play 3s if there wasnt like 5 groups in the group finder
mb
11 rn
i lied
fickle forge
My experience with Blitz has been this
lyric violet
when they all accept you'll be sorry LOL
full team of people that have 400 games played at 1600 somehow
fickle forge
I mean I don't enjoy blitz
But I do wanna play the game sometimes
And shuffle isn't it
Neither is 2s
green wharf
while might be true in the beginning, if you dont play well to you get stomped the same
and the rate lower
but its more luck based thn anything
green wharf
i mean its working great
otherwise pvp would be dead by now
they just need to fix the shit mmr gain system
rugged temple
i just dont like sitting in 20+ min que times for solo modes 😦
green wharf
imagine winning multiple matches to get 7-15 rating
you lose one and lose 24~~45
shuffle is a pain in the ass, you get a draw lose mmr
elfin surge
otherwise pvp would be dead by now
had better numbers before shuffle was added 
elfin surge
shadowlands s1 has insane participation
green wharf
had better numbers before shuffle was added <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
they added precisely cause game is deadge and no one was playing
hot solstice
no good player will defend shuffle but those guys who got elite while being stuck 1800 before shuffle
I am so done seeing ppl with 50% wr and 4k rounds but 2400
fickle forge
seems very easy for bad players to accidentally get high rating
WoW arena is just a game that hinges on teamplay
And Blizzard is trying too hard to streamline it into becoming a solo game
green wharf
some people just want to log in do a few games and get their toys
fickle forge
Let them
I'm just saying that skill requirement is way lower in the current day and age
Because meta is defined by who can do unhealable damage
elfin surge
shuffle has influenced pvp balance too much
hot solstice
Nah change damp in shuffle to 3s lvls - and u will see difference...crazy for me how bm can just win games sending trap on dps and win
elfin surge
yolo yuffle
fickle forge
Looking at 3s 2.4k+, I think the only spec here who doesn't just send damage is outlaw
green wharf
shuffle has influenced pvp balance too much
i think M+ did more tbh
hot solstice
sometimes I see my whole team on 20% on second min in 3s and I think its over, but than I remember damp is still 10% and my healer can top us...unlike in shuffle
green wharf
otherwise shadowmeld would be nerfed by now
tulip sail
i think M+ did more tbh
yeah m+ demolished pvp balancing
elfin surge
i think M+ did more tbh
yeah its obvious m+ drives class design but the pvp devs lean into it too
fickle forge
Problem is also that devs don't lean at all into PvP
We got PvP talents, but they aren't really being used for anything
hot solstice
I wish we had separate talent trees for pvp
elfin surge
I'm just not a fan of this m+ pve cleave and spam micro cc meta
hot solstice
ye give us necrobanner and oneshots
fickle forge
This is the game now
elfin surge
Shadowlands classic
exotic forge
Legion classic
fickle forge
Everybody does AoE and everything has to be streamlined so casuals can also participate
hot solstice
Shadowlands classic
sadly it will have last patch balancing on 1st ssn, so no arms
green wharf
I'm just not a fan of this m+ pve cleave and spam micro cc meta
one of the reasons the fuckers didnt rework arms yet
cause m+ are doing fine
elfin surge
I still remember a game I had in dragonflight vs an RMP. Mage never sheeped not even once. He just ran backwards and did top damage and won mana
green wharf
a long as the logs are showing numbers spec is great
hot solstice
imagine having so many crit mods as arms and not be gearing crit cause it just doesnt work
green wharf
elfin surge
this is probably the most boring version of arms i have ever played
its just all meaningless pad
hot solstice
I would be happy if they made fire mage meta cause they r easier to kill
green wharf
if it was pseudo fury
it would actually be fun
remove ignore pain CD so we can survive
green wharf
doesnt reset to me all the time, and everything cost rage
meaning you can just get seconds of doing nothing
wheat jay
I'm just not a fan of this m+ pve cleave and spam micro cc meta
even pve people think there's too much cc lmao
fickle forge
I mean you got 2 reset mechanics bro
fickle forge
MS RNG resetting itself or OP RNG resetting your MS
And if you can spam something, then it can't be hitting hard
green wharf
Ms reset itself no rage to use again
fury have no downtime cause only rampage cost rage
change so that only MS cost rage and we good
fickle forge
Yeah then it's literally just fury bro
green wharf
then its good
fickle forge
No thanks brother
green wharf
i rather play a good spec than a lame one
prot is also a lot of procs and resets and isnt fury
lyric violet
id like to see big crit arms come back
tulip sail
do priests players die in real life if they touch swap?
sterile moth
Arms does have huge crits as colossus
It just has a lot of ramp up and setup that doesn’t play well in this meta
fickle forge
Just doesn't play well in PvP in general
Colossus fr feels like that PvP spec
But Demo is just too much effort compared to the easy throughput of slayer
Like you can press BS as slayer and do the same damage as a Demo
While bring CC immune
rancid granite
i wouldnt even mind walking away if its range wasn't like half normal melee range lmao
sterile moth
You just have to macro demo with 3 sec shockwave and they can’t escape without a trinket or getting a peel. Yes it’s a little clunky. I generally set on the stacks and use it as an execute. Forces them to burn CDs or die
Survivable is the biggest benefit to me plus huge MS crits. I’ve hit cloth for over 3 million MS
Having said that, Thane fury is so fricken fun. I’ll probably shelve arms for a while
fickle forge
You just have to macro demo with 3 sec shockwave and they can’t escape without a...
It's true you can just pre-CC and then land it, but the real deal is how clunky colossus is compared to slayer
This stacking mechanic and sacing your buffs to deliver Demo is sus
When slayer is always powered up
Always gains the 10% dmg increase
sterile moth
Absolutely agree.
fickle forge
Always buffs OP
And on colo you sac those buffs to try to burst
After you spend a year stacking it up
sterile moth
One SS blade storm and it’s stacked
green wharf
You just have to macro demo with 3 sec shockwave and they can’t escape without a...
its not even reliable with how stuns work, more likely the duration will be lower due to the target already suffering CC before
or being flat out immune cause that dumb gem
sterile moth
You have to track that Sye but yeah
It’s like having the fastest horse at the Indy 500…cool but still feels bad
fickle forge
One SS blade storm and it’s stacked
If you can SS
They're nerfing colossus anyway so it's whatever
rancid granite
whats the nerf
green wharf
execute dont give stacks anymore
it was already to loong to full stack with sudden death procs
now it will take forever
rancid granite
they didn't like buff other things to make up for it though?
sterile moth
Yeah that’s pretty harsh. OP should stack it….that would give some good synergy
rancid granite
still got a solid month or so for them to make further changes tho
green wharf
they didn't like buff other things to make up for it though?
nope
they nerfed overpower stacks and added to MS
rancid granite
green wharf
they nerfed Bloodborne too, so from 15% damage to 10%
hot solstice
they nerfed overpower stacks and added to MS
they r not nerfed in pvp though
green wharf
they r not nerfed in pvp though
when its not nerfed in pvp they say (doesnt work on pvp)
or something
like this:
Lava Lash damage increased by 100%. Does not apply to PvP combat.
hot solstice
they changed it from 0.33 mod to 0.66 for pvp
saw in patch notes. too lazy to search for that again
urban skiff
<@205395474784583681> im trying this new strat 3HDW DK
Loving when that happens with prot fury. 2h and shield looks wicked
sand sundial
fickle forge
they nerfed overpower stacks and added to MS
OP stacks are gonna be unchanged in PvP though
So it's just a straight up 15% buff to MS
green wharf
OP stacks are gonna be unchanged in PvP though
it doesnt say that on the patchnotes though
fickle forge
it doesnt say that on the patchnotes though
It did
Dw bro it's been confirmed already
But it does mean that Exe on colossus is straight up not worth
green wharf
Dw bro it's been confirmed already
where? in the patchnotes doesnt say it does not apply in pvp combat
subtle latch
is the cyrce ring being used in pvp? all the guides dont show it
green anchor
Does the Depths of Insanity talent affect the proc from the Enduring Rage pvp talent?
boreal veldt
But Demo is just too much effort compared to the easy throughput of slayer
Hoestly, after the ms buff, using demo over ms/op might be a dps loss during a spear go lmao
instead of risking getting desynced/interrupted during a demo channel, just use ms, op, or bs even, we holding demo in 11.1
we'll see how it looks on ptr
rancid granite
i keep saying that demo is just the new execute lol
also, as col, do you use bladestorm mostly for defense/root break than dmg?
green wharf
green wharf
isnt this the multipled of the damage
hot solstice
green is about to be changed, and its not ability dam
fickle forge
Colossus getting nerfed bro
rancid granite
@green wharf
green wharf
hot solstice
should let us parry hunter arrows and crap
nah its for future witcher class
rancid granite
@boreal veldt lens or ascendance
boreal veldt
<@239902150266847232> lens or ascendance
mines
rancid granite
oh right lol
boreal veldt
also, as col, do you use bladestorm mostly for defense/root break than dmg?
i use it for pressure and stacks but it's not a wincon
hasty pulsar
interesting... mines
rancid granite
its the coolest one for sure
hasty pulsar
how do they even work
boreal veldt
lmao it's a meme, i don't hold embellishments as high regard as others
boreal veldt
how do they even work
at low hp you fart out a bunch of mines in like a tclap radius
hasty pulsar
interesting
boreal veldt
they deal 1 tick of 200-400k damage and apply a 40/60% slow i think
my build is just chillin and crit fishin
mine fartin
boreal veldt
tauren stunting on gnomes: a tale as old as time
sharp meteor
https://youtube.com/shorts/1n7U--XK5Cg?si=SgbU9_ZCWthD4BZo
race changes for less gold or free pls
lavish quest
blizz kinda based ngl
Nah sorry, a haircut won't help you short king
lavish quest
I just remember I'm around 195. But I dunno how much 180 is offhand
I assume 6 ft lol
Nope, 5'11
urban skiff
why is this making my dizzy
green wharf
why die by the sword is so fucking shit
lavish quest
why die by the sword is so fucking shit
Warrior ability
hot solstice
1.2 is for overpower damage. 0.66 is for overpower buff.
urban skiff
1.2 is for overpower damage. 0.66 is for overpower buff.
that makes way more sense
rancid granite
why die by the sword is so fucking shit
needs to be live by the sword
wheat jay
how is it bad?
hot solstice
only question to dbts I have is why monk can touch of death through it
green wharf
you press and die anyway
cause most of the shit is magic
even melee classes deal magic damage now
hot solstice
go dstance+dbts?
urban skiff
only question to dbts I have is why monk can touch of death through it
because it's ranged
hot solstice
because it's ranged
but its "touch"
fickle forge
only question to dbts I have is why monk can touch of death through it
ToD goes through everything
green wharf
you use and a paladin or a sub rogue eat your @as anyway
urban skiff
but its "touch"
it's also tagged as cannot be dodged parried or blocked
wheat jay
cause most of the shit is magic
you can block melee magic abilities
fierce elm
you use and a paladin or a sub rogue eat your @as anyway
Lies, parries paladin stuff : (
wheat jay
like chaos strike
fickle forge
wheat jay
ye
fickle forge
You can't DR it and it pens all defenses
fickle forge
ToD really is just death if it hits
fierce elm
Hence, Touch of death
wheat jay
sub 10%
urban skiff
you parry everything that's melee
you cannot dodge block or parry attacks from stealth
wheat jay
not fucking 35% and 20 procs like execute
lavish quest
If only execute was execute
wheat jay
you cannot dodge block or parry attacks from stealth
im fairly sure you can dodge from stealth
and parry, if its from the front
parry only works from the front
urban skiff
im fairly sure you can dodge from stealth
you cannot, stealth attacks cannot be dodged except by DH bullshit
it's like the whole point of using cheapshot over KS on a rogue using evasion
lavish quest
Can't parry all the back shots
rancid granite
If only execute was **execute**
if only ENRAGE gave an ENRAGE effect
urban skiff
during dance cheapshot is considered stealth despite not being in stealth
lavish quest
if only ENRAGE gave an ENRAGE effect
That would simply break the game, right @wheat jay
fierce elm
during dance cheapshot is considered stealth despite not being in stealth
Not during subterfuge window
wheat jay
That would simply break the game, right <@291636646225379328>
real
fierce elm
at least for Outlaw
urban skiff
I mean Cheap Shot is just flagged as the same
rake isn't and that can also not be dodged from stealth. Same goes for shred (or did when it was an actual damage from stealth attack)
wheat jay
fierce elm
I thought yall meant parry
fickle forge
Who even has that enrage thing we're so enraged over
wheat jay
this is rake
urban skiff
this is rake
no this is rake
fierce elm
is ability
lavish quest
Who even has that enrage thing we're so enraged over
It's a mob in a dungeon
urban skiff
this is also rake
lavish quest
wheat jay
yes
anyway, rogue cant dodge from back, so when he evasions just stun with storm bolt or shockwave and hit the back
urban skiff
anyway, rogue cant dodge from back, so when he evasions just stun with storm bol...
also cannot dodge while stunned and he'll turn around after
fickle forge
anyway, rogue cant dodge from back, so when he evasions just stun with storm bol...
Bro you don't have evasive stats when you're stunned
wheat jay
ye
fickle forge
So you just stun and hit
urban skiff
are you sure you dont
not unless you're a DH
urban skiff
I think the simple explanation is that DH dodge is the only magical dodge in the game
urban skiff
But also doesn't have evasive stats when stunned
now i'm curious if we lose avoidance during stuns
very niche problem
fickle forge
It's just an old dead mechanic from when they had dodge on blade dance
rancid granite
DH got fel magic dodge
fickle forge
So they gave them 360 dodge for that sake
fickle forge
now i'm curious if we lose avoidance during stuns
Avoidance is just a damage reduction
You can't dodge, parry or block when stunned
wheat jay
It's just an old dead mechanic from when they had dodge on blade dance
blur precedes blade dance dodge tho
i dunno why are we looking for logic in wow
when its spaghetti code
fickle forge
blur precedes blade dance dodge tho
No it doesn't
Blade Dance had dodge on release iirc
wheat jay
wasnt it added later?
and blur is there since release
used to be 35% dmg reduction in legion too
fickle forge
north thicket
my build is just chillin and crit fishin
Are you still playing Col with torment and spear? I am trying it also but not feeling it well, maybe lack of experience.
The dmg on the single target PvP dummy in Dornogal is about 20-25% behind my Fury Thane. Stats below when attacking the dummy, gnome + circlet ring (that probably I shouldn't equip in a crit build). Badge on-use trinket.
rancid granite
oof that haste idk how you guys do it
fickle forge
9% haste
rancid granite
low haste AND mastery >_>
green wharf
slayer is sooo much better than colossus, dunno how yall do it
killing people with slayer strike hit more dopamine than demolish
fickle forge
Idk what this screenshot tells me
north thicket
I don't do it, Colossus just sucks to play and I am wondering if it's me with 2 left hands or just the stupid design
fickle forge
Slayer is just easier to use
urban skiff
slayer is sooo much better than colossus, dunno how yall do it
Is this a new warrior?
urban skiff
I noticed 1 win in blitz gave me like 120 mmr
isn't start mmr in blitz also 1900, same as shuffle?
fickle forge
isn't start mmr in blitz also 1900, same as shuffle?
I've no clue man
Blitz is a complete meme bracket to me
I don't take it seriously at all
urban skiff
You don't have to
Shuffle is giving me blue balls
Right when I win a round, I'm just full of disappointment
I just want to press stormstrike and everything is rolling and going really well and then someone dies and I have to start over in a new round
fickle forge
I've been sitting here 1 win off of elite in shuffle for literal weeks now
urban skiff
Blitz lets me stormstrike more
fickle forge
But I just cannot be arsed to Q shuffle
urban skiff
in blitz if something dies i can just tabtarget and hit more
sterile moth
Blitz is really fun but such a grind
wheat jay
I've been sitting here 1 win off of elite in shuffle for literal weeks now
Do it
For amazing rewards
urban skiff
Blitz is random bg but all the bots and the REALLY bad people are filtered out of the pool if we're moderately competent. I can appreciate that
Also more fair teams and bgs made infinitely more interesting also helps
fickle forge
For amazing rewards
What rewards man
urban skiff
I've been sitting here 1 win off of elite in shuffle for literal weeks now
do it, for the lulz
fickle forge
Blitz is random bg but all the bots and the REALLY bad people are filtered out o...
Honestly, I haven't really found anyone who stands out in blitz thus far
Maybe they come at 3k rating
green wharf
why we have these two ugly brothers with unhinged
urban skiff
Honestly, I haven't really found anyone who stands out in blitz thus far
I think they're hard to notice. Hang on
wheat jay
What rewards man
I dunno
Tabard?
Looks ass, but still
Then you go and grind legend
urban skiff
Maybe they come at 3k rating
this rogue in kotmogu did stand out a bit
fickle forge
this rogue in kotmogu did stand out a bit
Looks like a cleaving assassa rogue to me
fickle forge
Then you go and grind legend
Absolutely not man
vapid tartan
Maybe they come at 3k rating
they dont
urban skiff
yeah but he just completely wiped out the other team while i was chaining lightnings off of everybody
fickle forge
yeah but he just completely wiped out the other team while i was chaining lightn...
It's all relative brother
green wharf
Looks like a cleaving assassa rogue to me
for that many kills prob sub
fickle forge
The current mmr I'm on I outdamage everyone else by at least 50%
urban skiff
It's all relative brother
Of course, but even if they afk I don't think I could amass 19 killing blows
fickle forge
for that many kills prob sub
Nah it'd be assassa for the auto ToD
urban skiff
So idk, I was kind of impressed a bit
