pvp

[true tiger]

aint thane only for blitz tho?

for aoe fights?

[slow solstice]

is it just because insta enrage

[fickle forge]

Big dam and stacks on slaughtering

[slow solstice]

i swear that thing does 0 dam

or is it just pvp modifer

[fickle forge]

Shouldn't be buffed no

[slow solstice]

because in pve

that thing is straight ass

next time i play

in going to drop btoth for something else and see

[green anchor]

If I picked Roar instead of Spear with this, would I be shooting myself in the leg too hard since the extra bleed dmg talents are also not being picked

at low rating tho so mostly for fun

[fickle forge]

Done 1.2M ons

It chunks

[rancid granite]

yeah they're definitely a package deal

[green anchor]

[rancid granite]

bloodcraze, whirlwind, spear, tclap add a lot of fun to it

not so monotonous

[fickle forge]

Honestly if you play roar, you may as well go all the way and pick odyns too

[rancid granite]

im so curious how next patch will be

[green anchor]

I'm bored of Odyn's

from pve lol

[sharp meteor]

Enrage plus stacks

[hasty pulsar]

is feral getting nerfed in 11.1

[sharp meteor]

Spec is beans

Just strong for tanks which suck

[wanton sun]

😂

[true tiger]

dont think pve and pvp scales same way

[urban skiff]

Rarely does abilities scale better in pvp than pve. Funnily enough, mortal strike has a 1.55 pvp mod

[true tiger]

mortal strike stomps in pvp

[urban skiff]

it's no stormstrike but I accept it

stormstrike has a 1.92 pvp mod

huh

I just realized that the shift in enh damage in patch 11.1 is shifting pve to be inline with pvp. That's actually kind of cool

[fickle forge]

Skilled rotation

[urban skiff]

how in the hecking heck

is that pve?

[fickle forge]

It's just thane

[urban skiff]

how do you get that much rage?

[fickle forge]

It's my Rampage doing like 2M per cast

[urban skiff]

huh

[fickle forge]

I'm just stronger man

[slow solstice]

wtf

[wary delta]

can anyone here craft undeath metal

[urban skiff]

I have windfury procs for 1m

i hope that counts for something

oh yeah i think I'm addicted to tier lists

[fickle forge]

It's a pretty consistent breakdown ngl

[urban skiff]

he's listening to nickleback, what a champ

[urban skiff]

i think the ratios on this look more right. I suspect you had quite a few good procs on rampage refund and maybe some extra BT procs from thane to skew it so much in the other screencap

Don't get me wrong, your first one is what we strive for, just massive dam from rampage.

fury s-tier

neat

[fickle forge]

I mean that's about the same breakdown

46% or 42%, just about the same

[true tiger]

this tier lists seems joke idk

[urban skiff]

34:11 ratio on 2nd screenshot and 51:10 in the first.

between rampage and BT

[fickle forge]

It's more the overall breakdown that matters though

[urban skiff]

Sure, but I was mostly concerned about where the rage to do so many rampages came from

[fickle forge]

Execute and Onslaught really

[urban skiff]

It's executes doing all the heavy lifting

idk why but I kinda like that RB isn't doing a lot of your damage

[fierce elm]

Every tier list is

[fickle forge]

RB in thane is like Slam for arms

Last thing you press

[urban skiff]

iit's specifically for arenas and 11.0.7 from a very top player. I assume his perspective is slightly different from us 1300 grunts

[urban skiff]

that's why i fell in love with thane on ptr

[true tiger]

BM is not S tier without feral so idk

it seemed like COMP tier list

[urban skiff]

a shame it took them long enough to fix thane that i fell in more love with my stupid enh build

[true tiger]

and ele cant be next to enha bcs ele is way superion than enha rn

with new ring

[urban skiff]

he said they belong together and they go into s-tier together

[true tiger]

ELE is S- at least

[sand sundial]

Together, no

S tier, sure

[urban skiff]

starting the vid again, let's see where ele ends up

and enh

Idk, I just enjoy tier lists. I don't necessarily believe in them, but I like that a good tier list can hype me up for a spec I wouldn't otherwise touch.

[true tiger]

and idk about arcane mage tbh

never seen one

i mean ive seen few but i stomped them so idk

maybe good arcane mage is rly S tier

[urban skiff]

I guess it's like reverse doomscrolling where I see "FROST IS S+++ TIER BUY IN NOW" and I*m just ready to play ball without even looking if what they said is true

excitement is killing me, still not sure why enh is only A tier and not tripple S

[rancid granite]

if they get 1 thing right they always put tanks F tier lol

[true tiger]

enh is not that strong

[urban skiff]

Skill-capped said it's the best melee spec in the game righ tnow

[true tiger]

its meta is totemic

[urban skiff]

[true tiger]

and totemic doesnot have that buirst dmg

oinly consistent

ENH best mele spec?

no wayy

[urban skiff]

I have the quote right here

[true tiger]

i play both fury and enh

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/q5Cm_T3NNoU?t=593

[urban skiff]

fuck yeah, my man

[true tiger]

fury seems wayy easier to pull big dps and it has good consistent dmg and good burst

enh struggles w that

[urban skiff]

ok i have to disagree there

my enh absolutely rips compared to my fury

[true tiger]

i played storm and totemic

both

[urban skiff]

Did you try the secret tech yet?

[true tiger]

storm has biggggg dmg during ascend

after than

[urban skiff]

it's so stupid but it works

[true tiger]

consistent dmglike is low

[urban skiff]

It's totemic + storm build

[true tiger]

tetemic storm build?

[urban skiff]

Yep

[true tiger]

how does that work

totemic and storm and hero talents

[urban skiff]

You press stormstrike

[true tiger]

different from each other

aah

[urban skiff]

and then you press stormstrike A LOT

and then you've wiped everybody out and people ask you how you did it?

and you can't explain it, because your damage looks like this

(pause for dramatic effect)

[true tiger]

ont get me wrong consistent dmg is good

aoe is good

JUST it lacks burst

hope they fix it next season

[urban skiff]

no no no, this is something else

[true tiger]

is it a joke buil dor smthn?

[urban skiff]

I have a huge surprise for you, if you can keep your mouth shut about it

[true tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/skz-straykids-chan-bangchan-mute-gif-23305253

send build

[urban skiff]

so this is stormstrike on live

[true tiger]

and this works in what mmr?

[urban skiff]

and this is stormstrike on ptr

[true tiger]

wait a sec

[sand sundial]

Maybe I should go back to Ele, been a loyalist till DF when the spec the as mediocre specialist middle of the pack the entire time game was live..I drop it and Blizzard makes them broken

Honestly I don't mind playing gutter tier specs all xpac if the rotation was fun..Ele in DF was PEAK you never hard cast ever

[true tiger]

means 2h enha inc?

[urban skiff]

YES

[sand sundial]

No

No

[true tiger]

hell yea BGS

[urban skiff]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/gordunni/гробдлятебя/pvp

Top blitz player uses it

[true tiger]

we are coming

[sand sundial]

They legit explained this in the notes

It's because they pulled stormstrike to earlier lvl

[urban skiff]

they swapped stormstrike for maelstrom

yep i know, but it still got the same tag as bladestorm, which can be used with 2h

[floral mirage]

does somebody have an updated version of gladius?

[urban skiff]

I know the why, I'm hoping they don't notice the mistake

I probably shouldn't be telling everybody about it

[floral mirage]

or where to find it?

[sand sundial]

They want ppl to experience it earlier in leveling

[urban skiff]

yes, and the consequence is that it's no longer locked to 1h

I never ever claimed it was intentional, but my current build will gain like +50% damage at no cost by equipping a 2h

as long as it works with stormstrike

[sand sundial]

I mean I'm not scientist, but doesn't seem to be a push for 2h

Blizzard doesn't usually leave it to the player and force things

[true tiger]

so as i get it u just press SS and ppl die

[sand sundial]

By aggressive changes

[true tiger]

pretty cool

[urban skiff]

I never claimed it was intentional. I'm saying it's unintentional and it's going to work in our favour until they fix it

[sand sundial]

Ik ik

[sand sundial]

And tbh 2h enh would be baller

Old school asf

[urban skiff]

stack a fuckton of totemic rebound during ascendance, pop sundering EB flameshock at the end and something will die

In blitz at 2300 MMR I've taken out entire groups of players with just the berserk buff and configuring thorim's invocation to chain lightning beforehand

pop wolves -> totem -> EB to immediately start totem off at 3-4 stacks too

[urban skiff]

if we're lucky this is a dev trying to sneak 2h enh in the backdoor and if they're smart they just tune it and let us figure it out

[true tiger]

u take EB ? bcs the guy u linked had tempest strikes taken

[fickle forge]

Best melee rn is definitely outlaw and fury

[sand sundial]

Kinda like Frost DK tho iirc dual wield wins in terms of maths most of the time..or did when I looked

I'd like more build variety, imagine going back to dual 1h fury warrior or arms going to weapon specialization

[fickle forge]

You're playing WoW

[sand sundial]

I've been on rivals for a month what about Feral and Sub

[fickle forge]

The variety is being meta

[fickle forge]

Sub garbage

Feral still god

[sand sundial]

Yeah it's such a bizarro world

[urban skiff]

I take eb because big meatball

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/meatballs-yummy-yehey-celebration-gif-26395022

[urban skiff]

Also because its a nice button to press that gives a buff that cannot be bad

[urban skiff]

this is what I do, but that guy is gearing way more crazy than I am

Like he's going absolutely all haste, where I'm just 12% over recommended haste

But again, he's a blitz player so slightly different rules apply, he might be picking up the stealth buff to always be able to snipe people or something

do people still consistently play in teams?

[slow solstice]

people play pvp

[urban skiff]

I group up with people, get their bnet and talk with them once or twice after. Maybe have one other queue session and then they all randomly decided they're done playing WoW

[slow solstice]

[urban skiff]

Maybe it's an avoidance tactic I'm just too dumb to get

unless my friends are close enough in skill level, I tend to pick characters I'm about equal to theirs with and that character is the "locked" with them

That way I can progress with each friend, but this is not really for pushing ratings, it's more for maximizing the social aspect of playing with friends

get the most out of bonding time

[rancid granite]

i mean maining 1 char would mean more time spent doing it and more practice with it

but having a pocketpick is nice to mix things up and have a nice backup to learn, different perspective, break from main etc

play 3 different classes and teams and slowly drop the ones that aren't doing good/aren't fun :b

[fickle forge]

Pick a team comp that's at least A tier

And then you can grind out your goal

Usually not worth to invest in completely new classes though

Stick to your mains and see what comps you got

What are they playing?

Just play outlaw+fury then

Or BM+ret

PHP is pretty fire right now

[green anchor]

15 min queue at 0 rating wtf

for shuffle

[fickle forge]

It's longer at 0 cr

Cause the game tries to get 4 unranked dps

[urban skiff]

start out in blitz until you're comfortable i guess

easier to hide in the back and situationally throw yourself into situations where you can practice your kiting skills in more controlled conditions

[wheat jay]

Nah bro

Hes gonna end up with some dog comp like kfc or anything with dh

[fickle forge]

Read down 5 lines bro

[wheat jay]

Fair enough

[urban skiff]

48 minutes now

[green wharf]

I saw a lot of forst dk with 2h on the murlok io top rankers

running deathbringer

[sharp meteor]

dw riders for throughput minigoes

2h deathbringy for like draco 1 shot

[urban skiff]

they're kind of gone now though right?

[urban skiff]

same match, 65 minutes ish

we're horde so not doing too hot

[green wharf]

i dunno, it waS a bit of time i checked

[urban skiff]

I can find randos doing it but having significantly less success doing it

but for the life of me i cannot find any guides that haven't been outdated by 2 rounds of hotfixes and 11.0.5 and 11.0.7 by now

[green wharf]

https://murlok.io/character/us/icecrown/xêêk/pvp#talents-specialization

this dudes is 2h

[urban skiff]

it's also this dude's guide I try to follow and he says to dw in blitz

😦

I just want to 2h, my mog doesn't look good dw'ing

[green wharf]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/tarren-mill/flúrrý/pvp#talents-specialization

[urban skiff]

but that's kind of the thing that makes me lose faith a bit

they're both 800 rating behind the top dw rider in shuffle

[green wharf]

i mean

[sharp meteor]

who cares about shuff it isnt real

[green wharf]

raider is just that op

[urban skiff]

I never cared about arenas to begin with

but it's not like I can say "their rating is worse in blitz" without you saying the exact same thing?

[sharp meteor]

girl what

[urban skiff]

i have no clue what you mean.

[wheat jay]

Funny thing about blitz and shuffle is that its not a clear indicator of skill when compared to 3s

[sharp meteor]

ya idk what u talkin about lmao

[sharp meteor]

blitz is literaly just whoever presses q more

most god awful players u ever seen at 3k+ mmr

[wheat jay]

Theres a reason noone queueing 3s bothers to look at someone's shuffle or blitz experience

[urban skiff]

He saw a bunch of 2h as top murlokio players. They're not exactly top anymore when there's 2 out of 50

[wheat jay]

Whereas if someone is good in 3s, there's 100% guarantee he wrill do well in shuffle and blitz

[sharp meteor]

standard frost is dw riders ya

1 banger spec is like

xeek

with dracos

which is good

but diff

[urban skiff]

But that doesn't mean skill doesn't apply there. People like to pretend it's just queue enough. I say it's just a different thing that matters for success in there.

[urban skiff]

how do you determine that?

[sharp meteor]

wym by watching how they do anything

actual ai capping the flag when we have 2 nodes in eots

[wheat jay]

Blitz is queueing enough and doing damage

Shuffle you roll a dice

[sharp meteor]

worst players u ever see in ur life

who show up and exist

[urban skiff]

if they get to a high spot on the ladder, maybe what you use as measuring success isn't what is actually creating success?

[sharp meteor]

nah u show up and exist on most specs u arent outright throwing the game

u dont get it

[urban skiff]

Sure I do. I just don't agree

[wheat jay]

In blitz you can find the most atrocious builds that are in fact dogshit but someone just spams games and gets some lucky win streaks

[sharp meteor]

nah u dont LMAO

[urban skiff]

You're calling a fish a god awful animal because it doesn't climb trees as well as you monkeys.

[wheat jay]

Huh

I mean kennie is a monkey, true

[sharp meteor]

i mean bgs have their own win conditions but most people exist and the mode is flated

[urban skiff]

If you measure bg players by their arena skills, of course they not gonna look good?

If you measure the worth of an animal by its abiliity to climb a tree then monkeys look like geniuses and the rest look like failures.

[sharp meteor]

and its rly just getting reps in

[sharp meteor]

nah i measure them by their bg ability which is zero

[urban skiff]

criticism about inflation is completely meaningless. I don't give a fuck about rating, only spots on the ladder.

[sharp meteor]

spec will have one job and they'll fumble it but it wont matter because they pressed queue enough

which is why they're 3100 blitz 1600 3s 1900 shuff

[urban skiff]

if they can win without playing optimally, they're doing something else that matters more than what you assume isi what it takes to win.

it's suuuuper simple

[sharp meteor]

spots on ladder also somewhat meaningless

because most people dont press q

[urban skiff]

this makes no sense at all

[sharp meteor]

zercher whats ur exp

u seem clueless

[urban skiff]

If you're top 0.01% then you're 0.01% whether there's 1000 players or a billion.

[sharp meteor]

about everything

[urban skiff]

rating is going to inflate and deflate and somehow people still think they can compare seasons as if the actual rating matters

[wheat jay]

Cuz he is clueless, no offense, it is what it is

[urban skiff]

1350

I'm a top player m8

soon i hit 1400

[wheat jay]

And this is why this conversation is pointless

[urban skiff]

god can you stop taking things literally?

this is enervating to say the least

[sharp meteor]

i like how i can go into bdk cord and people get violently beaten with a bat for disinfo

[wheat jay]

Hard to discern whether you're serious or not cuz it all sounds like youre serious, even about the dumbest shit xD

[sharp meteor]

then i come into warr pvp cord and its 2 rival warrs spewing disinfo

and just useless words

[urban skiff]

then stop making it

[sharp meteor]

?

[urban skiff]

a spot on the ladder is equivalent to the same spot on the ladder between seasons. It's that simple

Caring about inflation or deflation is fucking stupid

[sharp meteor]

wrong dork

[urban skiff]

BlItZ iS InFlAtEd LoL

doesn't matter, top is top, bottom is bottom. EVeryone else is somewhere in between

This is how competition works in sports as well

chess players don't start whining about ELO ratings being inflated

tennis players don't give a fuck about anything but their actual spot on the rankings list

[sharp meteor]

top of ladder being 3500 means people gotta play like 300-400 games

which most stable people dont

[urban skiff]

whether there's 1000 or 1000000 players doesn't matter

[sharp meteor]

so top of ladder is just people who press q

[wheat jay]

Is it rly 3500?

Holy fuck

[sharp meteor]

minus a few good/fun/competitive specs

[sharp meteor]

uh it is on eu. lower on na

[wheat jay]

I'd sooner off myself before I played that many games

Holy shit

[sharp meteor]

i know a guy who has played

[wheat jay]

And its battlegrounds

[sharp meteor]

6000 shuffles so far

which averages out to 9 lobbies a day

since season started

[rancid granite]

poor vesa

[wheat jay]

Shuffle is arena at least, you do have some say in the matter of winning

[urban skiff]

You have to play many games to stay on top. Who'd have thought such a crazy thing could be true?

[wheat jay]

Blitz your input is irrelevant unless you have other people doing the exact same thing

[sharp meteor]

LMAO

[wheat jay]

Nah vesa is retired now xD

[urban skiff]

Blitz is you + 7 random shitheads vs 8 random shitheads.

As long as your skill is above the average skill level of the randoms at your rating range, you're going to have better odds of winning. Game tries to make mirror matches as far as possible without making the queue endless. So RNG is somewhat removed.

That's math again, by the way

[rancid granite]

good players consistently get high rating in every pvp mode why is that

[wheat jay]

8v8, you are 12.5% of your group

[urban skiff]

IT'S A MYSTERY

[wheat jay]

Give me blitz gods and throw them in 3s

Then do it the other way around

[urban skiff]

giive me fish and throw them into trees!

[rancid granite]

YOURE supposed to be the blitz god wth

[urban skiff]

LET'S SEE HOW WELL THOSE WET FUCKERS CAN CLIMB

lol

[wheat jay]

Its pvp

[rancid granite]

when your team is like omg i wish i had good people to carry on my team - be that person

[wheat jay]

Same thing my guy

It's not raid vs 2s arena

[urban skiff]

Ya'll are fucking insane in your need to discredit one game mode over another.

[wheat jay]

Its pvp vs pvp

[wheat jay]

Yes

Because in reality its rng bracket

Where your input is minimal, and you need to rely on other people to play well

[urban skiff]

I don't respect arena, it's too curated and clean.

If you cannot thrive in chaos and improvise, then you're just a pretty princess.

[rancid granite]

in 1v1's they can't use the RNG excuse; but that means they go straight to 'this is broken, they're cheating, i'm lagging' and when all that is over they go ground zero:

they have no life and play too much

[urban skiff]

I respec and acknowledge they have skill in what they do. I don't agree that it means they're the best at pvp

The monkey is brilliant at climbing.
The fish is brilliant at swimming.

Stop insisting they compete with each other, just because there's something vaguely similar about staying alive in the wild.

Yes, some monkeys swim better than fish can climb.
Yes, some arena players do bgb better than bgb players can do arena.

But pack up this elitism gatekeeping crap. It's soooooooooo boring

You're trying to discredit people in a fucking hobby

[wheat jay]

Am I gatekeeping someone from anything?

[urban skiff]

anyone who says bgb players are worse than arena players are gatekeeping

[wheat jay]

Because in general they are worse

Same with shuffle players in general playing worse than arena players

There's a different skill level requirement to climb in each bracket

[urban skiff]

there you go again, you're missing the other half of the sentence: "Because in general they are worse in the curated pvp environment i regard as the best one"

There, did it for you

[wheat jay]

And different degree of rng in them

[urban skiff]

not skill level requirement. It's a different set of skills where there's more overlap from one to the other.

[wheat jay]

Its not a different skill requirement, main thing you have to do is win fights

[urban skiff]

Just.. Be better, stop shitting on people who are enjoying a hobby but in a slightly different way

[wheat jay]

Saying chess is harder is than checkers is not shitting on checkers enjoyers, its stating a fact

Running is harder than walking, am I shitting on everyone enjoying a walk in the park or stating a fact?

[urban skiff]

If people can't say "Hey I'm doing great in blitz" without the little voice going "bLiTz Is ToO eAsY" then just shut up. It's not helping anyone, you're not improving anyones life. You're just putting someone else down to feel slightly better about yourself.

Nobody asked if blitz is easier than arena. I promise nobody who plays blitz cares.

[urban skiff]

who asked you and why are you important enough to state that opinion again?

nobody and you're not. It's a tough pill to swallow. Stop stealing happiness to feed your own.

[wheat jay]

Why are you stating your opinions on balancing and builds when your xp is non existent then?

[urban skiff]

wait wait wait waaaaait

you're one of those people?

[wheat jay]

Elaborate

[rancid granite]

mess him up zercher; stay away from the eyes and groin both of you i want a good clean fight here

[urban skiff]

So you see a house with no windows and doors. You go "Why does that house have no windows or doors? That's bad house".

And some engineer comes flying in with "how many houses have you designed?!?! WHAT'S YOUR XP HUH?!"

leave it to the engineers and architects to discuss what a good house is or isn't. lol

[wheat jay]

If you want to give some advice, be it builds or anything, its nice to have some experience to back it up

Also, if you were 3k in blitz, would you give people advice about shuffle or 3s?

No, cuz blitz tells you nothing about 3s and shuffle

On the other hand, 3s and shuffle give you a good idea of cooldowns management, cc, trading, etc

[urban skiff]

I think my advice has been all-round solid. I sometimes make provocative comments to stir some discussion. I absorb information really really well.

The best bodybuilder in the world has a coach that looks like a potato and has always looked like a potato.

[wheat jay]

Which is a part of blitz

[urban skiff]

all of which is a secondary determinator in blitz, not the primary as it is in arenas.

[wheat jay]

Some would say its primary, seeing how one team fight quite often decides who wins a blitz game

[urban skiff]

Which was my point with kennie: If they can play below average and still win, then their playstyle isn't the big determining factor for winning or losing.

[wheat jay]

If they play below average and win that means other team played even worse

[urban skiff]

Just like you win in arenas not by executing your rotation completely flawlessly for max damage, but you're playing mindgames and using positional tactics

[urban skiff]

average for an arena player

[wheat jay]

If someone can play below average and still win at the top of the ladder then they are boosted as fuck

[urban skiff]

You're used to speed running on a tightrope, where balance is super important.

Now you're talking about speed running on a 2 foot wide beam where you can be more reckless with feet positioning. Balance is no longer the the primary factor, but it's still important.

Likewise, it's no longer about trading cooldowns with 3ms precision. There's another factor at play. What is it? I don't know, I don't think that far

Maybe it's instiinctiively knowing where to go on the map. Maybe it's actively target calling via /ping macros at the right time? Maybe it's a social aspect where they don't tilt themselves or others if the fight isn't following the script

[wheat jay]

Ill tell you what the factor is, trading cooldowns with 3ms precision because thats how you win teamfights xD

[urban skiff]

maybe it's a combination of these things as well as doing a good enough job in the team fiights

[wheat jay]

In rated bgs at least you had proper coordination, and that was usually what set teams apart, dmg and coordination

[urban skiff]

#pvp message

Didn't you just say winning team fights only "often" wins the game?

[urban skiff]

I miss rated battlegrounds. Not the people playing, but the coordination and making things work

[wheat jay]

Quite often

[urban skiff]

I wish players could be trusted with ingame voice chat

[wheat jay]

They can

[urban skiff]

It would elevate blitz

[wheat jay]

I wonder if blitz will be deflated in s2 and go same route as shuffle xd

[urban skiff]

it absolutely will

they're getting people hooked on blitz and then comes the depression season to bring us back to reality

[wheat jay]

Will be hilarious to see posts on reddit again about people crying that they cant get their old rating

[urban skiff]

I'm still going to play blitz, like I said I don't care about ratings. I go straight to seramate and look at my own ranking for my spec.

It's the only reliable way to compete against myself from season to season

[rancid granite]

healthy does of self awareness is all you need

if you feel you do better thats all there is to it

[urban skiff]

I lift heavy stuff and put it down again.
My job is to herd cats.

Without tangible ways to measure progress, I'd go mad.

And I really really really mean it when I say, I have never liked or enjoyed arenas in general. BGs are just more fun.

[rancid granite]

i'm so hooked on trying to get 2400 in ss but i would rather blitz; maybe that's why i'm doing poorly my heart isnt in it

[urban skiff]

I begrudgingly did arenas for stat-gear necessary to do well in bgs or I did arenas for cosmetics

It's why I always stop at 1800, that's it. Got what I wanted and never go back

[green wharf]

same

[urban skiff]

SS does have its fun times, and I enjoy queueing it more than I hate it

[green wharf]

get 1800 in one spec, go get 1800 in another

i dont see much the point of going further in blitz/shuffle if you get no mount anyway

[rancid granite]

at least go 1950 for enchant

[green wharf]

wanted to do x3, but no friends who play pvp, and cant bother to pug a group

[urban skiff]

For me, blitz is godsent. It's slightly more controlled chaos. I don't think they've hit the magic spot yet, but it's the first iteration and I'm hoping they can improve on the good stuff and get rid of the bad.

[rancid granite]

then a few wins from 2100

[urban skiff]

Maybe blitz can have a niche where they make little changes from season to season, like they do in m+

Switch where buffs go, add more buffs that adds more to the chaos

Add snowstorms or add the dumb stumble mechanic from the wq where you collect ores when carrying the flag

@wheat jay @sharp meteor I'm sorry I was being rude and got emotional. I just really prefer the chaos of battlegrounds and the addition of bgb removed all the worst parts of the bg playerbase, by sticking them in their own league.

[rancid granite]

zercher stomped with the argument then apologized at the end

chad behavior

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-based-breathtaking-gif-22127601

idk if im using the term based right im too old

[urban skiff]

I appreciate the recognition, but I'm apologizing because it's the right thing to do. They had very valid points and I was a bit harsh in making my own points.

[rancid granite]

i'm just happy to see someone arguing against the doomers

like even the jedi can be a bit harsh right

it helps bring a bit of balance though

[green wharf]

dont ever apologize, especially when you are wrong, be a man

this one too, for reference

[exotic forge]

"Don't be sorry, father. Be better."

[rancid granite]

"And the first step of being better is to apologize."

[green wharf]

8 tries killing sylvanus, no luck this week

[keen epoch]

Just starting my first pvp journey. Fury looks fun! I have honor gear but I am struggling to get other gear. What is a good path to getting full epics in all slots? Thanks!

[slow solstice]

playing the game

!

can buy or make conquest gear

[keen epoch]

What’s a good way to farm conquest? Just queue and pray in greens? I know it is an option but…. There has to be a smarter way!

[sterile moth]

Once you get rating do you have to buy the weapon enchant or does it just show up

[verbal tangle]

spam arenas and don't be shit

[verbal tangle]

it just shows up (look for Holy Fire)

[green wharf]

come ooooon

climbing prot is so pain

[urban skiff]

while waiting for queues, do world quests with warmode enabled. It allows you to buy bloody token gear that can be used to bridge gaps between honor and conquest gear until you farm conq

all world quests gives 100 tokens

[green wharf]

and you can stay in one zone to farm the chest that drops in the map

[green wharf]

do the daily random normal and epic bg

[urban skiff]

also do brawl, it has excellent source of conq via the brawl weekly

[green wharf]

but brawl today is asharan...

[urban skiff]

classic ashran, yes

you can complete the objective in the side events to complete the quest

then you leave ashran, hand in, go bnack inside for the 2nd quest

[green wharf]

got back to 1700 as prot, thats enough for today

maybe i say fuck it and try arms just for the fast quee

and no pressure to get flag

had to get 2 in this game for a comeback and stressed the shit out of me

[urban skiff]

I always ignore flag on prot except in emergencies

my job is to make sure EFC outruns his team or my team can catch up to EFC

[green wharf]

it was an emergency, we were 2 flags behind

[spring pagoda]

Good morning. Do we use the Siren isle ring in pvp ?

[green wharf]

some folks were using on fury

[urban skiff]

I don't, some people seem to make it work

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/Kh59i7KFTug

haven't watched it but his DH and lock videos were sort of entertaining

[green wharf]

he would do much better as thane

[urban skiff]

I just don't enjoy thane prot

maybe he doesn't either

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-james-franco-gif-7829182

its the mot fun shit ever

execute hit like a loaded truck

[urban skiff]

Ok but demolish into shieldcharge biig shieldslam also is fun

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

it just reminds me of old glad stance where you timed big hits

[green wharf]

big executes-> shit ass demolish

[urban skiff]

huh

Big demo is big dopamine

It's not like executes are small for colossus prot

[green wharf]

its small and doent have COOL LIGHTINING

effects

coming from the sky

[urban skiff]

it's not like enh lightning

everything else looks smo

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/bitcoin-thor-thunder-lightning-avengers-gif-20422281

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

legit thane execute /\

[urban skiff]

legit nothing like enh doing stormstrikes

:S

[green wharf]

you are a toten dude, not even use the power of the tempest

[urban skiff]

Nah; i shoot lightning through existing instead of casting spells like a mage

also I may just found a way to priint gold in WoW thanks to bronze tokens

every 50 blood of sargeras is 16k gold and it costs 1500timewalk badges to make 50 blood.

😮

0,95 x 16000 x 37000 / 1500 = 375k gold

[boreal veldt]

👀

[urban skiff]

kind of makes me wish I had bothered to do more of the event now

but that just turned this mount into a 50k mount instead of a "what do i spend this nonsense currency on?"-mount

fuck it, aesthetics over gold

now shit's getting interesting. I can make 375k gold, all the product I can make costs a total of 400k on AH right now

Buy all, reset price to 75k

[boreal veldt]

im still just farmin naxx and selling the shoulders for like 75-100k a pop

you dreadnaught ~~farmers ~~ whales(?) (idk) are disgusting

[urban skiff]

I remember doing the steps to be able to craft the full T3 transmog myself but never bothered

now I forgot what character

ehh

so if I buy the entire AH stock, I only need to make 20k off the product before the price drops to have made profit.

[fierce elm]

Fucking nerds

I buy a token whenever I cant afford enchants

or beg Kargish for repair gold

[urban skiff]

you won't let me do math on skills anymore and I've trained daily this entire holiday so I'm kind of knackered

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

LET ME HAVE MY AH

[fierce elm]

Calculate how I can get out of working rn

[urban skiff]

Footography.com

[green wharf]

seems sus

why people would buy that

[urban skiff]

actually it's a massive scam

[fierce elm]

I got a MAD shift rn that is 5 hours long

[urban skiff]

I just thought it'd be funnier to link a foot fet ish site over just saying to sell feet pics

[fierce elm]

AH freaks buy everything

[urban skiff]

we also sell anything

[green wharf]

but why though

[green wharf]

what can it do

[green wharf]

Afro title

[urban skiff]

they convince you to sell foot pics on the site, just sign up. Also you have to pay a subsciption fee for them to handle your content

the fee is going to be significantly larger than what you can make off of th epics

[green wharf]

no, i meant the blood of sargeras

hold on, dial back

[urban skiff]

I can turn it into a crafted rare mount

cool titles

[urban skiff]

to what?

i never even realized there was a girl showing all the ingame cinematics. Time to watch everything again

[green wharf]

i only need one, Scourge of the Kaldorei

fuck elves

and fuck your shadowmeld too

[urban skiff]

daddynathrius

harder daddy

lol, shadowlands giving other vibes after experiencing 2024

[fierce elm]

Oh yeahvgotta buy those

[urban skiff]

i swear this is just fet ish material

[fierce elm]

Denahtrius deserved to be an end game boss

Shoulda not been Jailer

[urban skiff]

absolute truth

fuck mythic denathrius was so good

I fucking loved last phase with remornia

Best supporting character in a very very long time

[green wharf]

shadowlands lore was atrocious, actually dumpster fire

and wow lore was never a masterpiece to being with

[urban skiff]

Boss design and aesthetics was on point until 3rd raid tier

[green wharf]

he was all right as a character, but everything else was braindead

it is season 8 game of thrones and sequels level of garbage

[urban skiff]

Sylvanas and Denathrius were both amazing end bosses.

The jailer was a fucking chore

Sepulcher should have ended with anduin

Now that was a great boss

Lords of dread, rygelon, jailer should have been a separate .5 raid after the final tier.

[green wharf]

mechanically right

cause damn sylvanus story was awful

[urban skiff]

they were also appropriate challenges

WoW lore has always been funky

[green wharf]

bitch served the janitor for years

to go on his face

to say "i will never serve"

like what

[urban skiff]

I think the reason she changes was she went from being a williing subordinate to being enslaved.

[green wharf]

it was ok to bad, nothing deep, but from Legion to now it became trully braindead

[urban skiff]

I work for my boss but you best bet if he says "I own you" I'm going to punch his stupid nose off

[green wharf]

she was just ret@rded

and got to stay alive

[urban skiff]

Angry people do stupid shit

Like punch their boss

[green wharf]

worst shit

[urban skiff]

lmao i did so well i got first and 2nd place

while afk

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

Ok I badly need a worgen before event ends

what worgen do I make?

I'm thinking anything that benefits from macroing pvp trinket with the sprint would be in a good spot

and also a vulpera

[green wharf]

pff, anythign that need some extra movement is good

what class do you not have yet

[urban skiff]

Hmm

I have everything at 70 like twice over at least

I was thinking warlock had potential

but undead warlock is just peak cool

[green wharf]

warlock/priest worgen vibes

[urban skiff]

worgen shaman could have been cool

need a vulpera shaman name

[green wharf]

i saved a name of furryfury for a vupera warrior

never level up

[urban skiff]

I got shadowfurry locked in for a vulpera warlock

Yifftotem is offensive enough but I feel like it's missing more wordplay

idk if this is cursed enough

Foxxyiff?

lmao

@fierce elm help me choose!

If it was a monk I'd call it foxxyboxxy

[green wharf]

Afro seems like bad at giving names

he named himself that, and it doesnt even have an afro

[urban skiff]

he's actually name "A fro", forgot the g, but he's a frog

[green wharf]

even worse then

[urban skiff]

Darkmoon faire up, this week until reset is the last chance to level stupidly fast

[fierce elm]

the fuck

I just grab names from songs I like lmao

[urban skiff]

my vulpera is gonna be a troll character, so have to make sure it's offensive as possible for people to die to it

[fierce elm]

Omerta - Lamb of God
Existo Vulgoré - Morbid Angel

Rumnbass was just wordplay

Socialmisfit was peak Misfits listening time and kinda edgy

Justice on Paladin pre-name change was Metallica and fitting

I just pick song names kek

[urban skiff]

The best songname and you can't even use it as a name in games without people thinking you can't spell: Dies irae

[fierce elm]

My dks name was ass hole in arabic but converted to the normal alphabet

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/CUGMZlvrR4c

[fierce elm]

Thats how I name my characters

sometimes just lazy and input random letters

[urban skiff]

But Dies Irae as wow name would be Diesirae which is just really funky way to spelling desire

if you want translation

https://youtu.be/pRR3jR_sGsw

[green wharf]

the name of my DK

[urban skiff]

ayyy brændevin

[green wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXRVXbVwzbE&ab_channel=JuanNúñez

because this song

i didnt knew it was a drink before

just sounded cool

you guy should know, they are from the faroe islands

[urban skiff]

Danish people know nothing about faroe islands

Greenland we know abou

[fierce elm]

Tragedeigh

[urban skiff]

djæmes

[fierce elm]

Týr good band

Ensiferum good band

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/0lpuJ7E3lpA

This is why I'm not on discord with people when I play

can't stop singing

[cinder sluice]

Is this strong? 37.5% seems good to make a head

[fierce elm]

Its about the same as regular Vodka so yes

but depends on person I guess

[green wharf]

its all right

never drink that, but i assume

here there is 40%+ stuff

[cinder sluice]

Just read from what is made of. It must taste sweet lol

[green wharf]

this lil bitch is 48%

[fierce elm]

Its hard liquor and its fucking awful lmao

But I am a lil baby

[green wharf]

i think i can translate to sugarcane spirit

its wild

[cinder sluice]

Oh that snaps bro. Pun intended

[green wharf]

not sweet at all

i think i got one gin once, that had 54%, and it tasted like perfume

[cinder sluice]

LOL was it methanol? It's kinda sus

[fierce elm]

Most things over 50% are chemical tasting

[green wharf]

it was all fancy, so i think not

[fierce elm]

And just wack as fuck

[cinder sluice]

I remember one night i was served red label and it smelled like polish remover. Gosh

[green wharf]

they use to make drinks, with stuff like fruit, monster

[fierce elm]

Tried 80% rum once and yeah

[green wharf]

i drink pure cause im a MAN

[fierce elm]

There comes an ABV where its made to be in small amounts in drinks etc

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813525483332829256/869620168647643156/unknown.png?ex=677b5ea4&is=677a0d24&hm=1e46784f7208c286c26977c3033c2f9c4c42f206e52b490e4fd6dccd5abd0444&

[fierce elm]

or dilluted with water

[green wharf]

i did but, rum taste weird

[fierce elm]

So its generally not meant to drink pure

[green wharf]

but i think it was 70%

[fierce elm]

Its so high in alcohol that you can feel it vaporize in your mouth lmao

[green wharf]

when i was drunk at college, i did drink formol and pure 99% alcool

[fierce elm]

its an odd feeling

[green wharf]

cause a bet

[fierce elm]

Also tried 70% Absinth once

[green wharf]

never again

[fierce elm]

But yeah, do not recommend

Now I stick to girly drinks

[cinder sluice]

What is considered girly drink?

[green wharf]

anything below 30%

[cinder sluice]

Right observation but consider beer a refreshment

[green wharf]

beer is like coke, you drink before lunch

[cinder sluice]

Pizza, beer , metal and Arms. I can't ask for more

[green wharf]

is this good stats for arms

or nay

more haste and verst?

still feel like a wet toilet paper with no self heals

[urban skiff]

isn't it just schnaps?

[fierce elm]

and I hate it

[green wharf]

its so frustrating that prot and fury can spam tclap or whirlind to find stealth fuckers

but arms cant

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

[urban skiff]

take a guess why it's half full and how my wife suddenly learned a lesson about why drinking 80% anything out of a bottle is a bad experience

[fickle forge]

My friend and I used to bring stroh rum with us to Sharks

Mix it in the drinks before pool

[urban skiff]

Guessing this was because you weren't old or rich enough to buy what they were selling at the bar?

[fickle forge]

You got it

[urban skiff]

Sharks is so great, having burgers and fries delivered to the table is peak.

Don't know if they still do that

[fickle forge]

Been forever since I ate at the diner

[green wharf]

anyone

[fickle forge]

I just play pool with friends or my girl occasionally

[urban skiff]

Last time I was there, someone from my class tried to pick a fight with a black person with dwarfism.

so that's at least 5 years now

[fierce elm]

Yeah

[sand sundial]

It's fine, less crit mby.. Look up top arms warriors from murlokio

[sand sundial]

I'm a whiskey guy personally

[green wharf]

i do that, but numbers have big discrepancy

dunno why

[sand sundial]

As long as you stack haste and have %30 vers I wouldn't worry too much about it

Not detrimental to hitting any rank goals unless you want to take it very seriously

[green wharf]

roger

[sand sundial]

this depends on the arms build as well, there are a couple of different ones people run

reckon bleed builds would want more mastery

[green wharf]

three shaman versus three hunters

[urban skiff]

I prefer rum and weird vodkas

and stuff like kahlua and peppermint schnaps

[fierce elm]

I prefer not knowing whats in it and sweet so I cant taste the alcohol

[sand sundial]

mixing is fun

[urban skiff]

A lot

I mix all kinds of weird shit just to see what happens

[fickle forge]

I would not trust a cocktail from Zercher

Man would shake a mojito with no sugar

Or a white russian with no milk

[green wharf]

milk

are you five

[urban skiff]

black russian is kind of neat though

[sand sundial]

me neither

[urban skiff]

I began adding Kahlua to my hot chocolate

[sand sundial]

not a bad idea tbh

[urban skiff]

Suddenly i realized my hot chocolates stopped being hot, because I was eyeballing the kahlua and it was basically 50% kahlua

[sand sundial]

may as well get irish coffee

used to drink that every morning

[fierce elm]

yes

[urban skiff]

imagine not drinking 1 liter of milk a day

[sand sundial]

i add that much to my coffee does it count

[urban skiff]

sure

[torn sigil]

i miss irish milk

[fierce elm]

Milk is goated

but cant drink too much or I get bloated

[torn sigil]

bloatmaxxed lactcel

[fickle forge]

Brother, white russian is literally lit

[fickle forge]

You'd do espresso martini with no vodka

[urban skiff]

stormstrike is the meat, lava lash is the filler

I'm just skipping the filler so I can get more of the good stuff!

[sand sundial]

How much did you enjoy the first iterations of shaman

[urban skiff]

the original?

[sand sundial]

Vanilla version was kinda goated

[urban skiff]

I didn't enjoy when they added lava lash in tbc

wait, was it tbc?

wrath

it was wratch I think

[sand sundial]

Uhh

Stormstrike tbc LL wrath no?

Maybe

[urban skiff]

I remember playing enhancement in karazhan

at the time i was over the hill excited when they added the fist weapons purchaseable with currency

Anyways, yeah original shaman was ok. I don't really remember it because I was playing mosty feral and some mage in vanilla

[sand sundial]

You were a proper hybrid in pvp

And 2h was kinda real

[urban skiff]

pvp took so much time investment, i only got to rank12 or something on my feral and I think 8 on my mage

And I was running mostly pve at the time so idk how I even managed that

True hybrid is also a slightly skewed way of looking at it. It's more right to say any class with healing was a healer, but you could choose what your off-damage profile was going to look like

Vanilla was a weird time

also weird that earthshock went to ele and flameshock went to enh

I don't think every spec should have a dot and enh doesn't DO anything interesting with flameshock that couldn't be done with earth shock

[fickle forge]

At the time I presume

Flame Shock is pretty bread and butter for elementalist enh sham

[urban skiff]

There's nothing that says they couldn't have made an earth shock debuff do the same as flame shock for the sake of proccing abilities

thematically enh was earth and lightning, suddenly they got one lava ability and now they're the spec of lightning and wind and lava

[fickle forge]

I mean

A shaman is a shaman

Ele and enh use them all

[urban skiff]

that's what I find so weird, their initial push for having two lava specs

[fickle forge]

Shaman just uses the 4 different elements

Only difference between ele and enh is that one casts and the other empowers weapons with them

There's no specific elemental theme between them

[green wharf]

flame shock = apply burn, it burn people, tick damage over time
Earth shock = apply nothing, no tick damage

[fickle forge]

Tbf

Flame Shock DoT is laughable

You may as well just not press it unless you're elementalist

[urban skiff]

earth shock used to be the interrupt, iirc it also applied a debuff, was it an attack speed slow?

[green wharf]

yeah, in legion i think they decided to push forward resto=water ele =fire enhc=wind

and all of then could fidge with lightining

[urban skiff]

if I didn't have voltaic and we applied any dot with anything else I wouldn't have it bound

[fickle forge]

Nah it's cap

All the shaman specs use every element

Even Rsham does lava burst and flame shock as their main damage

[green wharf]

i know that, i meant their speciality

they use all, but resto clearly is more focused on water with chain heal, the rain skill

shaman with lava blast, and enhc with windfury

[fickle forge]

Shaman healing has always been water

Because water is life

[green wharf]

it was "spirit"

it was just boring healing magic

i dunno the time they changed the visuals and theme to water

[fickle forge]

Hasn't Riptide been the main healing of Rsham since literally forever

[green wharf]

but i think it was in legion cue they updated spells

but they changed their skills to reflect more that, chain heal now is you shotting water at people

and it pretty funny

[fickle forge]

Either way

Rsham has still done their main damage through nature or fire

Just like the two other specs

It's just their class fantasy

Idk why WoW combined wind and earth into the same damage school

But it's whatever

[urban skiff]

ele should choose between lightning and lava.
enh should choose between lava and wind
resto should be water and choose between being enh or ele as damage.

but i'm not a game designer, i just appreciate the symmetry

[fickle forge]

Yeah problem is you can't go with lightning or wind

It's the same school

[urban skiff]

imo wind should be physical or physical+nature

[fickle forge]

Physical is just WoW's way of describing non-magic

And physical+nature is just stormstrike damage

[urban skiff]

and rename phys+nature to something other than "stormstrike", it's weird when wind being physical makes stupid amounts of sense

[fickle forge]

Which is what you get when you ascend

I mean when something's named -strike at the end, it's just to signify it's a magic school + physical

[urban skiff]

Yeah, it's way too late to do a stylistic overhaul of shaman, but I wouldn't mind if they had chosen a different route ages ago.

[fickle forge]

Like ret doing holystrike damage

[urban skiff]

And I'd also not hate them if they put peewave into the general tree and replaced it with chain harvest in enh tree

[fickle forge]

I'd love chain harvest back fr

The uno reverse card

[urban skiff]

wasn't it literally just chain lightning + chain heal though?

Shadowlands I didn't do much shamanning

[violet fossil]

Penis

[urban skiff]

I'm hungry too, m8

[fickle forge]

Except it was cool

[urban skiff]

very

But they wouldn't keep the old aesthetics

[fickle forge]

I mean I liked it for its raw power

Bro that one time Loveless and I Q'd double enh sham in 2s in Shadowlands

[fierce elm]

Chain harvest was so fucking sick looking

[wheat jay]

most shadowlands abilities looked cool

[fierce elm]

Instead we got fucking primordial wave lmao

the least liked covenant ability

[urban skiff]

Not just least liked, but for some reason the most pushed one too

Why do they insist on putting the same ability in multiple spec trees?

@fickle forge I just realized I play without using my wolves, I could spec out of it completely and get peewave and ascendance!

doggos aren't important, right?

[green wharf]

Dude, usually i dont go after people in the world to kill then, just attack who attack me

but this mofo was a night elf in a guild called "unniversity of the horde"

[fierce elm]

fuck the doggos

[fickle forge]

You're playing elementalist though

You def want the doggos

[urban skiff]

I run with auto doggos but i came to realize recently that I barely spawn any, i picked manual doggos and keybound but I just... don't care

[urban skiff]

huh, elementalist with lava lash?

[green wharf]

i blasted his ass so hard he went back to kindergarten

[fickle forge]

They buff your elemental blast through the roof

[green wharf]

shaman is melting people in the burst

wuush

it didnt took like 4 seconds to kill him

[urban skiff]

Oh yeah I know that part, but you can't be ascendance and pick up ele doggos

[fickle forge]

That should tell you something : )

[urban skiff]

I choose ignorance

[green wharf]

you can, but you need to give up 1 node of elemental assault or frost witch

why the fuck shaman have a talent called legacy of the frost witch is beyond me

[urban skiff]

I put so little effort into legacy of the frost witch, I could try and play without it

time to make another abomination build

[frank knoll]

Yeah I don’t min max that shit at all
I just do the basic rotation and hit whatever is lighting up, I’m not parsing and people still die

[urban skiff]

my man!

[green wharf]

its 25% damage to stormstrike so tis pretty nut

[frank knoll]

I think of you just stick to the basic prio you’ll get your legacy if the frost witch benefits

[green wharf]

one node = 5%
two node = 25%

[frank knoll]

Without min maxing like you’re parsing

[green wharf]

blizzard basically telling you is mandatory to pick two and fuck you

[frank knoll]

Yeah that sucks

Man I played on my frost mage the other day and it’s like I’m playing a different game

[urban skiff]

but is it?

[frank knoll]

I feel like Master Chief on Halo, blasting damage at people and being immortal

[urban skiff]

During ascendance you have to proc frost witch manually, right?

since thorim's invocation only consumes 5 maelstrome stacks

unless it doesn't have to be 10 stacks at once?

[green wharf]

no

is passive

[urban skiff]

also the reason it's 5% and 25% is because the first point unlocks stormstrike resets

[green wharf]

you consume 10 malestrom from something and you do giga damage

[urban skiff]

but m8

[fickle forge]

I'm pretty sure it racks up internally

[urban skiff]

the auto procs during ascendance shouldn't proc legacy, so what I mean is you have to bring it back up manually, UNLESS it's 10 total not 10 at the same time

it's pretty easy to test but I'm not in the mood for booting up WoW riigh tnow

[fickle forge]

Case closed

[urban skiff]

Good enough for me

[green wharf]

so after two windstrike that zap tempest/lightining bolt

the next windstrike is 25% more powerful

[true tiger]

just spam Windstrike

ggs

build haste and break ur finger spamming it

when u get tempest wait for 10 MW and use it manually

[urban skiff]

it's always more powerful because I lead into ascendance with 10 maelstrom EB

[true tiger]

or WS gonna consume tempest with 5 stack only

[urban skiff]

well this is abominable

untested theory: lightning bolts from peewave might be a way to do controlled ascendance procs

Imagine proccing small ascendance every 30 seconds. You can in theory put out 12 flameshocks in 3 globals without using lava lash

[green wharf]

nah deeply rooted elements is shit

it never procs and it end too quickly

[urban skiff]

is for your playstyle, it was super good for mine

Totemic + storm is a different beast than what you're used to

[green wharf]

well what i know is, with the update, 1 node of frostwitch is 15% instead of 5

[urban skiff]

@frank knoll tell him

[green wharf]

so you can drop one to get the elemental wolves

[lavish quest]

What wrong turn did I make to get to the shaman discord?

[urban skiff]

This is the defacto pvp discord of enh shamans who are feeling a little zuggy

[green wharf]

warrior is dead man

30~~50 minute q in blitzz

in the crap tier

[lavish quest]

6 day queue time for shuffle

[green wharf]

i was looking at the rogue ladder

top 20 from blittz, x3, rbg and shuffle were all night elves for assassin

almost all of then for outlaw and sub

[fickle forge]

Almost like it's mandatory

[green wharf]

top 50 from feral druid in shuffle and x3 literally all of then were night elf, except 1 tauren in each mode

[green wharf]

top 50 in blitz same shit, only 3 exceptions

[urban skiff]

For anyone wondering, it seems starting MMR in shuffle is going up by about 16 per week (currently at 1900)

I assume everyone's MMR is going up, not just people who haven't queued

that means end of season new toons will start at 2k mmr

[fickle forge]

Yeah that sounds about right

My strat for next season will be to wait 15 weeks and then Q like 10 lobbies of shuffle for the free R1

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hilarious-thor-chris-hemsworth-grandmaster-gif-22675289

mountain thane gang rise up

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-love-and-thunder-thor-lightning-electricity-stormbreaker-gif-25760380

big miss is that arms can be thane like thor with stormbreaker

[urban skiff]

i always speedrun 1600 and then kinda stop or do one or two games a week to slowly inch towards 1800, then ignore the character at 1800

idk

[green wharf]

fuck colossus

[urban skiff]

just play enh

[rancid granite]

i'd main colossus if they took off the annoying channel tbh even if it was worse tier

[knotty oasis]

anyone play RA in SS?

with odyns fury lol

ive been using this scuffed ass build in SS but hits like a fucking truck

[fickle forge]

Templar ret feels a lot like what colossus arms should have been

[rancid granite]

YEAH

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah I don’t understand why every time I hit demolish literally land all three hits it feels like health bar just doesn’t move lol

It’s weird phenomenon

[green wharf]

not 2h

yet...

[rancid granite]

add in spear and its just basically thane build with the aoe burst over onslaught sounds mroe fun

odyns fury fun to use i miss the og release build

[green wharf]

its because is shit if you dont crit and land with avatar+colossus smash

but people are full on copium with that

[rancid granite]

its fun when you're fartin around

but when it comes to like serious rated play its frustrating

[fickle forge]

I mean I still pick it into melee cleaves

[knotty oasis]

thane build has no bgladestomr?

[rancid granite]

oh i didnt see it right lmao

that sounds AWFUL

thought i saw bs not onslaught

[knotty oasis]

lol its not bad

a lot more consistent pressure

i usualylt do the most dmg by a shitload at like 2400

[exotic forge]

Weird to see Dancing Blades being used without smf

[knotty oasis]

i tried it but the stat loss from the weps is too much

[sterile moth]

Thane is super fun. Prefer arms and have done better with it in shuffle but man with fury people just die on accident sometimes

[knotty oasis]

and then sometimes u get somethjing ridiculous like this lol

1 minute combat time is nuts

[sterile moth]

I know it’s crazy

[knotty oasis]

i like arms mre too tbh feels more consistent and controlled

[green wharf]

isnt odyng dury super nerfed in pvp

[torn sigil]

has been for a while i think

[green wharf]

and two nodes for crit and no suddent death like

courage

[knotty oasis]

ya i heard it was better before, odyns fury doesnt do much itself but i ike it with the avatar talent

i have like over 30% uptime on avatar most arena matches

[exotic forge]

You're supposed to use it with the Avatar talent anyways

It's that good, that's why they're removing it next patch

[green wharf]

i would also trade the stamina talent for the haste one

haste is insane good for thane

cause it procs the lgihtining

one of the reasons iw as runing the frienzed rage one

[exotic forge]

I'd run wild strikes if I wasn't running smf

[knotty oasis]

oh theyre getting rid of the odyns fury and avatar talent?

[green wharf]

yeah

[exotic forge]

Unfortunately

[green wharf]

they fucked over reckless abandon and titan's torment

https://tenor.com/view/jover-gif-16964140724042266462

[knotty oasis]

omg thats ass lmao