pvp

[urban skiff]

I was never satisfied with the way raids had "easy(normal), stupid easy(heroic, with a coordinated group), grind your bones to dust(mythic)"

[green wharf]

mythic was the mistake

[urban skiff]

mythic was fine, i guess

sylvanas was hella fun

Mythic Jaina was fun too

Trying to remember them all so I can pick a favorite

[patent forum]

Hard modes were the most interesting

Tiers of hard modes would be cool

[urban skiff]

maybe it's gul'dan in nighthold. Not the most interesting fight, but it was memorable

[fickle forge]

So pretty much the same as arena to BGs

[urban skiff]

raids could (should!) go infinite just as m+, with R+4 being normal R+7 heroic, R+10 mythic

[patent forum]

It would have to be heavily incentivized

[urban skiff]

I thought people said there's zero overlap between arena and blitz and that they're completely different modes?

[green wharf]

remind that pvp is guted due to m+ whiners

[patent forum]

And actually have dynamic mechanics instead of boss hits harder and more hp

[urban skiff]

that seems to be the sentiment

[urban skiff]

like what?

[green wharf]

early example, MM will lose pet, due to m+ people crying is too much of a hassle to lust and dismiss pet

instead of baking lust into the class, they just made some nonsense rework, that didnt need the removal

[fickle forge]

About as different as M+ is to raids

[fierce elm]

The gems are dumb

thats it

[green wharf]

gem hater?

[rancid granite]

hotdog fingers; rings dont fit him well

[fickle forge]

Slayer is deadge

Mountain thane is the way now

[green wharf]

always has being

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

[rancid granite]

🌍 🧑‍🚀 🔫

[green wharf]

one night elg got rly mad at me in this new bs island, cant kill the prot mate

the only thing good in these new maps is people cant just run away flying

[rancid granite]

they jetpack away instead 😭

[green wharf]

can still catch then

[rancid granite]

yeah true :b

[wheat jay]

no more legion weapon?

sadge

[urban skiff]

pretty sure it isn't related to that, but that the game is currently lacking a ranged sniper type that isn't a pet class

It's a really big fantasy to be missing

alternatively give warrior barrage and let us go all rambo

[rancid granite]

isnt MM literally that though

[sour crag]

I want to cry.

[urban skiff]

They're changing it to that, because outside pvp people play almost exclusively as lone wolf

[rancid granite]

i thought MM hadn't used pets for a long long time now

[boreal veldt]

ahh yes, arms, the canonically worst execute spec

[urban skiff]

some stubbornly stick with it, as if there isn't already two whole-ass specs that already use pets in the same class

[rancid granite]

i mean i was considering making one

cause i want to try ranged but dont wanna deal with pets lol

[urban skiff]

My prot executes are bigger than that

[sour crag]

I face an Unholy DK who burst me to kingdom come (didn't know they could do that), a Shadow Priest with Dark Ascencion chasing me with black hole and a rogue who is teleports like a spastic.

How the hell..

[verbal tangle]

Get fucked shitter

[urban skiff]

OK so my working theory right now, is that somehow fury is interacting differently with the ring procs. Maybe enrage is affecting the damage

[fierce elm]

Fury probably gets more from stats

rather than the proc damage

Outlaw doesn't need the stats to hit our haste-requirement

[sour crag]

Thank you...?

[fierce elm]

so we can sacrifice a ring

[verbal tangle]

You got shat on in a 1600 lobby

[fierce elm]

We only need about 10% haste which we can reach easily without two stat rings

[urban skiff]

I'm at 24% haste on my shaman and can bring it up to 60% and I don't see damage anything like Aatos

[fierce elm]

I am at 10% haste on Outlaw and I am seeing more damage than Aatos

[rancid granite]

.>

[urban skiff]

Hence my theory that something is going on with how the dots interact with some specs

[sour crag]

Well I even try to whisper those whoever nuked me for feedback.

[fierce elm]

Outlaw is seing 10-20% of our total damage being that ring

so yeah kek

[verbal tangle]

You aren't even 1800, you need to just focus on damage

[green wharf]

you already have, mm is the ranged sniper, that can just chose not to use a pet

[urban skiff]

And now they're leaning into that

[green wharf]

and you cant even be that, since they forced you to have a stupid bird

[verbal tangle]

They are forcing MM into Lone Wolf, similar to how Fury is forced into TG

[green wharf]

no

[urban skiff]

that doesn't affect my theory as it stands, maybe outlaw mastery is also something that could increase ring damage if there's something screwy with the PPM

[fierce elm]

I mean it could be the PPM that fucks it

or is tied to just damaging abilities that proc it

due to Outlaw having a ton of multi-hit stuff

Pistol shot, Ambush/Sinister strike, Between the eyes etc etc etc

Killing spree

[green wharf]

they were already kinda forced, cause lone wolf is 5% increase damage, but at least you have the option

[urban skiff]

in theory enh should be proccing it like fire then

[fierce elm]

In theory yeah

[sour crag]

Also, this is not why I come here for feedback. Be better, please.

[fierce elm]

but its also a bugged ass ring that shouldnt work like this

so I wouldnt look into it much tbh

[green wharf]

i would be pissed to not have the option to SMF fury as well

[fierce elm]

It reads the right tooltip pregames but it still does a wild amount of damage in game

it reads as it should be doing 15k hits but its doing 200-300k

[urban skiff]

which is why I'm returning to my theory that the PPM is getting messed up by certain classes'mastery

[green wharf]

ring isnt doing shit to me as prot, maybe wrong gems

but proc is too low and damage is too low to care

[verbal tangle]

You are at 1600, I don't want to hear it from someone who is at "I can't do damage" rating

[fierce elm]

However, Elemental is also running it

which I again reckon is due to having so many multi-hits

Which is how Fury can do damage with it but Arms sucks with it

Because arms has no multi-hits basically compared to Fury

[urban skiff]

I bet I know what it is

the PPM is probably tied to each target instead of to the caster

makes you wonder if the void reaper blade could be worth it for offhand too then

[sour crag]

What is this elitist comment?

[fierce elm]

That one is unfortunately giga-nerfed

also requires mythic clear and weapon

so yeah

[verbal tangle]

You are competing with a fucking spriest for damage in a melee lobby. You do not know how to do damage

[fierce elm]

All you would gain is a lil proc that does practically nothing

But again, mythic weapon that requires clearing that mythic boss

[urban skiff]

chill bro, i don't think he ever claimed to know everything

[rancid granite]

he a crabby patty today dont mind him

think he got wrecked by a spriest earlier

[sour crag]

This is my third day as fury.

[verbal tangle]

So you don't know how to play the game

[sour crag]

...Yeah okay, moving on.

[rancid granite]

lol

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm oh fuck me

[fierce elm]

yeah

Its doing 300k hits

[urban skiff]

It's a ppm that scales with haste

[fierce elm]

: )

[verbal tangle]

Getting mogged by a priest in a melee lobby is a clear sign of not knowing what to do

[urban skiff]

I don't think i've seen one of those before

[fierce elm]

Its a pretty wild thing

But yeah its just bugged and it happens

[verbal tangle]

[fierce elm]

But I think that Arms still dont gain value from it regardless of the haste tied to ppm

I think ret maybe can run it

[verbal tangle]

Prot Haste Thane testing

[urban skiff]

in theory that priest could be the best shadowpriest in the world. Would you have won then?

You're pretty knowledgeable

[verbal tangle]

At 1600?

[urban skiff]

I'm pretty dumb

[rancid granite]

we'll find out soon enough if it's working as intended if no nerfs come to it

[urban skiff]

Doesn't pika dick around in 1600 range just to 1v3 for viewers?

[verbal tangle]

If I'm getting mogged by a 1600 priest at this point in the season I should be entertaining the idea of a suckstarted shotgun

[sour crag]

Yeah I know I didn't know what to do, I am still learning. This was my worst match out of three so far today. Still doesn't mean you can go "you are terrible" and think that is helpful to anyone.

[urban skiff]

I don't think they have the resources to spot and fix this stuff until after week 2 next year

so it's tagged for pvp nerf

Could be something weird like aatos queuing without warmode so it's brought into arena without getting pvp treatment

[green wharf]

he just started climbing

[fierce elm]

I queued in warmode

checkmate

[rancid granite]

i dont even know how to turn WM off

[verbal tangle]

Click Prot War for me

[sour crag]

I couldn't out-DPS the shadowpriest mainly because both him and the DK bursted at me. One kept pulling me and the other chased me with a black hole.

[verbal tangle]

[urban skiff]

reduced from 211376 to 139508

[sour crag]

Doesn't help the rogue was smart to stun me right into a black hole, too.

[urban skiff]

so 33% nerf

dps procs nerfed by 33% for tank spec seems right

[verbal tangle]

But prot also gets to SS spam into casters

And ofc nature damage + Thane

[fierce elm]

Accept the black hole and hit the closest thing to you

[sour crag]

But dark ascension..

[urban skiff]

this, the dk's job in this situation is keeping the shadowpriest safe to freecast on you.

Your job @sour crag is to make him regret that

[fierce elm]

¨Slowly waddle your ass over to spriest

While hitting DK

[urban skiff]

wait is dark ascension a big deal?

I've been ignoring it

[verbal tangle]

If you can't kick it

[sour crag]

Well it buffed his hole, I guess.

[verbal tangle]

But even then, just hit him

[urban skiff]

seemed like one of those things where it sounds bad but it's just castable nothing

[verbal tangle]

It's fucking 1600, just hit shit

[fierce elm]

Also if you hit shadow he has to move too

because he has to kite

[green wharf]

buffed hole

[urban skiff]

buff my hole @fallen estuary

[sour crag]

"just hit shit"

I do and I whiff.

[verbal tangle]

Because you aren't

[urban skiff]

Cast more rampage

cast more execute

cast more RB and more BT

[verbal tangle]

We can literally see you not hitting your buttons

[lavish quest]

Do more dmg

Bigger dmg number = climb out of 1600

Also spriests can't kite you

Mathematical impossibility

[urban skiff]

Can if they're worgen

[lavish quest]

Nope

We call it, walk at them

[urban skiff]

yuhuh

macro fade and worg sprint to just disappear off face of the map

😄

[urban skiff]

bro it's more complicated than it seems

this guy is literally unstoppable

[verbal tangle]

[urban skiff]

tbh he's got a better best rating than me

[verbal tangle]

Kek

[green wharf]

im pissed at bgs cause i was climbing BM

from 1500 to 1750 in one night

get DC, back to 1600

and bm is a fucking bitch in blitzz

[sour crag]

I do not understand, why am I not passing even 600k despite full burst?

[green wharf]

cause is hard to finish people off

consistent damage, but bitch executing potential

[lavish quest]

Wut buttons do you poosh?

The big dmg ones?

[urban skiff]

You should play enhancement. I'm ranked 177 with fucking 1800 rating

that's a pretty big deal

[rancid granite]

lmao nice

[urban skiff]

started out going 0-15 because of idk why, if we remove those 15 losses I have a winrate of almost 60%

[sour crag]

I press a big red button macro, then bladestorm and spam anyhing that flashes

[urban skiff]

that should be fine for surviving 1600, no?

[sour crag]

Well I have no fucking idea alright?!

I am at my limit here.

[lavish quest]

Why is roar in that macro?

[sour crag]

Because I will just keep forgetting to press it seperately, because my keybindings are a mess

[fickle forge]

This is the worst death log

[rancid granite]

q next

[green wharf]

meeeh

im done with this season tbh

i was maybe going to try for 2100 just for th weapons

[urban skiff]

to get that kind of rank on BM you need 2436

[green wharf]

but meh

[urban skiff]

Or you could find a pocket healer and queue 3s with me on your warrior

[green wharf]

im a lone wolf

[urban skiff]

i just want to stormstrike

I don't care about winning

[green wharf]

i dont know people who play wow

my duo left

[urban skiff]

You know me

[green wharf]

he got 2390 on shufle as ele in df

[sour crag]

What should be the minimum dps on target dummy as fury?

[fierce elm]

800-900k

if in full pvp gear

[urban skiff]

as high as you can get it tbh

[verbal tangle]

Not being mogged by my prot war

[fierce elm]

just standing still hitting it

[rancid granite]

dont aim for a # just aim to do more :)

[urban skiff]

Remember the dummy doesn't have the right armor values and no vers, so you cannot trust the damage numbers for what you'll see in real pvp

[sour crag]

Just seems to pointless if I keep getting rooted and slowed anyway.

[urban skiff]

Also remember your dps will look diifferent if you're playing full execute phase wiith the dummy for minutes at a time

[rancid granite]

probably why it helps to do some pve too

[fierce elm]

It is pointless lmao

[verbal tangle]

Welcome to melee

[urban skiff]

Focus on dealing damage first, then focus on having more uptime so your uptime matters

[fierce elm]

You should just know your rotation inside out

[urban skiff]

Doing it the other way around means you'll spend a lot of time in their faces but doing nothing with it

[fierce elm]

Its all about not having to think about your buttons

[rancid granite]

pve, delves, good teacher for DPS

[green wharf]

welcome to warrior*

[rancid granite]

solo zekvir ++ as fury

[green wharf]

paladins just be immune to it

BUT TBF

palas arent melee

[verbal tangle]

Paladins
Melee

Pick one

[fierce elm]

Yeah welcoem to warrior

[sour crag]

All I know is that Rampage is everything that matters, and I need rage so I spam 1 2 3 which got BT, RB and Onslsught Respectively. If Execute flashes before Rampage, I focus on that.

is that good enough?

[fierce elm]

No other spec is suffering this as much as warrior

[lavish quest]

But fury takes a PhD.

[fierce elm]

Oh no do not spam Bloodthirst

[urban skiff]

don't, rampage over everything

[verbal tangle]

The only melee paladins in WoW are in the fucking ancient ttrpg

[urban skiff]

even over execute

[sour crag]

Do I remove Execute entirely?

[fierce elm]

Its Rampage > Execute > Onslaught > RB > BT

[verbal tangle]

Fuck this reminds me I got a new mouse, I gotta re-keybind

[green wharf]

who had the gif for onslaught

[verbal tangle]

[fierce elm]

BT is a wack as fuck ability

[green wharf]

it was super funny

[urban skiff]

unironically, make a separate action bar that goes like this from left to right. You always click the left-most one that can be clicked

[fierce elm]

also that

[green wharf]

some guy from a movie doing the onslaught animation

i need to see it

[fierce elm]

put two binds as RB

so you dont waste stacks

I guess

[green wharf]

also, what are your stats

embelishments, gems

[fierce elm]

1 Rampage, 2 Execute, 3 Onslaught, 3 RB, 4 RB, 5 BT

This aint about his gear brother bear

[sour crag]

I thought clicking buttons is a death sentence in pvp, where everything has to be in intricte keybindings and macros. If I clicked anything I am an idiot, I am told.

[verbal tangle]

It's slang

[lavish quest]

Yes

[fierce elm]

Intricate keybindings such as 12345

[lavish quest]

But we at 1600 so we can't go lower bois

[verbal tangle]

Bro he ain't hitting buttons right, the gear is likely a fucking mess too

[sour crag]

My fingers suck to reach past 3. I think I have a bad keyboard.

[fierce elm]

Then dont use 123 lmao

nobody is forcing you

[green wharf]

my keybinds are " 1 2 3 4 5 and F1 F2 F3 F4 excluding the letters

[sour crag]

I am fully geared by murlok.io

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

You have complete control over this

I use Q - E - R

personally

[verbal tangle]

1-12, Shift 1-12, ggez

[fierce elm]

But I also know what stuff to hit

[verbal tangle]

^

[fierce elm]

And my binds are the same for every spec I play

and have the same purpose

[lavish quest]

Afro has no clue what to hit

That's an outlaw main

[verbal tangle]

His non-existent wife?

[wheat jay]

He hits everyrhing

[fierce elm]

Big damage prio ability/spender is always R, but big button big damage button ability is always a mousebind

[green wharf]

so, i have tdah and dislexy, i have major problems with shift something, have some but minimal

[fierce elm]

Execute, Hammer of Wrath, BtE etc etc

[wheat jay]

I'm fairly sure no outlaw knows what his spec does

[sour crag]

Well you may as well bully me for my setup while you guys are at it.

[wheat jay]

Including afro

[verbal tangle]

rawr

[wheat jay]

Usual stuff

[verbal tangle]

Bruh

[fierce elm]

This looks completely normal

[wheat jay]

Almost the same as mine lol

[green wharf]

im one of those people that can do 100% on guitar hero, on the hardest difficulty, if i dont miss anything, if i miss one note, its fucking done and i miss all the rest

[fierce elm]

Like absolutely completely normal

[sour crag]

There are still bidnings missing for CC counters I dunno how to bind properly, like commanding shout

[lavish quest]

I remember 1800 being a crowning achievement for afro this season

[fierce elm]

unless your damage stuff is bound

this stuff

needs a bind

[wheat jay]

1-6, then with shift, then rtfzxcgv

That's the usual stuff

[verbal tangle]

Something that can be remembered

[green wharf]

imagine not binding dragon roar and avatar together

do you even burst bro

[sour crag]

Which is what RAWR is for. I just macroed everything to one button.

[wheat jay]

Dps loss

[fierce elm]

I cant tell what is bound or not

[verbal tangle]

Most isn't

[wheat jay]

You roar, then avatar and cs together for max dps

[verbal tangle]

Bro is literally clicking

[lavish quest]

My action bars aren't real action bars. They're weak auras

Fight me

[fierce elm]

die

[lavish quest]

Skill issue

[green wharf]

the other day i was like, why the fuck S is a buttont to walk back, when i never use this shit

[verbal tangle]

Sir we play real specs, neither have Colossus

[green wharf]

so i bind to another skill

[sour crag]

Look, I want to improve. Anything to help me setting up keybindings so I dont fumble would be welcome

[green wharf]

and it was neat

[sour crag]

I have not a good reach with the current keyboard I have. It's not very responsive. It's an old Corsair, for god's sake.

[verbal tangle]

Keybindings are entirely dependent on you and your ability to naturally use the button w/o having to look at it

[green wharf]

i have south america ping playing NA servers, sometimes i get fucked by delay in shuffle

[verbal tangle]

Fucking Quel'thalas looking headass

Make LA Servers Separate Again

[sour crag]

Should I not be using this macro when I burst?

I jyust press G

[lavish quest]

I wouldn't macro roar

[sour crag]

Why not?

[verbal tangle]

Roar needs you to be on someone, and can desync

[lavish quest]

More control

[green wharf]

thats argentina bs isnt

br servers are other, but yeah sometimes is rough

[lavish quest]

Also, avatar used to proc bladestorm, so it used to fuck you. Now not as much

[green wharf]

worst is the delay on interrupts

[fierce elm]

Macro needs to be hit twice too

[green wharf]

need extra care now with the gem

[lavish quest]

No it doesn't, only roar is on gcd in that

[verbal tangle]

Tbf I use the same macro, but that's not the real issue

[sour crag]

Does it? Reck and Avatar doesn't share Global, last I checked.

Both activate at once

[lavish quest]

Afro is clueless

He got carried to 1800

[fierce elm]

Avatar, GCD, Roar

[verbal tangle]

The issue is if you need to Ava to root break and now you popped everything

[lavish quest]

Avatar off gcd you git

[fierce elm]

Idk I played spear to 1800 lmao

So reck GCD

[verbal tangle]

Reck is off gcd shitter

[fierce elm]

what the fuck

wack

[lavish quest]

Why are you an ape?

[sour crag]

Yes, both can be used at once.

[rancid granite]

why tho

[lavish quest]

Not even a good at warrior kind of ape

[fierce elm]

Look I played spear

lmao

[verbal tangle]

Spear > Swifty Macro

[rancid granite]

avatar/reck proc eachother from the talent tho so is it not best to spread it out

[lavish quest]

You can macro both of those into spear too

Idk why you would, but you can

[fierce elm]

Yeah but I dont like binding avatar to somethig

[verbal tangle]

Only if you are a real Kyrian ape

[rancid granite]

otherwise waste of talent then

[fierce elm]

EITHER way thats not his issue

[green wharf]

afro, do you have a real afro

[fierce elm]

I am white as fuck

[verbal tangle]

Probably stole it

[green wharf]

cultural apropriation it seems

[lavish quest]

One of his issues is he said earlier he couldn't reach an spriest

[sour crag]

If I have to keep track on more things including two CDs.. as if I am not panicking enough

[lavish quest]

The one caster that can't kite him, kites him

Ya hate to see it

[verbal tangle]

Ye

[green wharf]

they will gut berserk tormet next patch arent they

or im cooked

[verbal tangle]

I think you are cooked

[green wharf]

no its the titan torment

[lavish quest]

They stack duration

[green wharf]

that will be nerfed

[lavish quest]

So it's fine to pop both

[verbal tangle]

Ava+Reck with the new RA for longer install buttons

[lavish quest]

Wtf are we installing?

Marvel Rivals?

[verbal tangle]

Dragon Install for big dam

[sour crag]

Fine fine I removed Roar from the macro. Anything else?

[lavish quest]

Veilguard? 🤮

No wonder you Punished Buhsac if you installing that

[verbal tangle]

doesn't know what a fighting game Install is

You hate to see it

[lavish quest]

No, we play wow here nerd. Not fighting games

Well yall do

I'm in my wow is dead era

[verbal tangle]

I'm constantly reminded that no matter how shit WoW gets it's competitors are worse

[sour crag]

What is better then?

[lavish quest]

Just you wait, China been cookin

[green wharf]

im playing age of mythology

[fickle forge]

Daily reminder Blizzard themselves said this

[lavish quest]

Execute is not hitting your hard hitting button...

[green wharf]

nerf execute to do shit damage
complain people arent using execute

[lavish quest]

No wonder warrior blows donkey cockey

No one over there knows what should be going on

[sour crag]

I miss the Execute charge.

[green wharf]

someone here said this will not matter

cause you dont even use execute anyway

[lavish quest]

Someone here said warrior was a good class

You see how that shit turned out?

[sour crag]

warrior is still a fun class to me anyway

[lavish quest]

Ye. It's my main.

Still trash

[sour crag]

Even if I am not a tryhard sweatyboy

Despite needing to be, it seems

Right, remind me again what order my abilities should be on the numbers?

[lavish quest]

They were just giving you a priority of what order you should hit em

Put em on whatever binds you want

Just hit them right

[sour crag]

Yeah but yu guys went yapping and I can't scroll up

[green wharf]

rampage>

[lavish quest]

Rampage > Onslaught if not enraged > Bloodthist if not enraged > Execute > Raging blow > Bloodthirst

Something like that

[rancid granite]

check out this guide

some good info in it

[sour crag]

Help me understand, how relevant is Execute for fury?

I am conflicted since I have been so hardwired of being Arms

[rancid granite]

^ check the link

there's your guide

[lavish quest]

Execute better for fury because it generates rage for us, not costs it

But yes go read

[verbal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[lavish quest]

[rancid granite]

😂

[fickle forge]

I mean I'm so annoyed by this statement lmao

It means Blizzard literally knows Execute is piss, but they just refuse to make it relevant

[green wharf]

me with my dnd players

cant even say the word they say in the gif

[green wharf]

thats why, war need a rework, especially arms

[sour crag]

Lost 32 more cr.

[green wharf]

i cant stand how arms is a disjointed clunky mess, that only live to MS after lil buffs stacks

[sour crag]

Should I queue while mentally tired? xD

[fickle forge]

You should give us that VoD we've been asking for

[green wharf]

just do random bgs to get the feeling

before going ranked

[unreal zealot]

Would you say arms or ret is easier in PvP, looking to hit 1800 next season and want a very straightforward win condition for spec to play

[rancid granite]

idk both super ez pz straight forward

i found ret easier by far tho

[unreal zealot]

Ok I will give it a go thank you !

[rancid granite]

play what you like most

[green wharf]

well, pala is easier and arms is trashier

so you do what you have mroe fun with

[peak hawk]

cancer fucking game

every time the same pdf classes

rogue mage

fuck this

[fickle forge]

Ret

[fickle forge]

Brother got so mad he left

[wheat jay]

Can't blame him

[fickle forge]

Only winning move is not to play

[hasty pulsar]

Lol

What in the world

[green wharf]

he out of line but he is right

fuck mages

[sour crag]

And shamans.

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah I can’t deny I don’t find myself queuing between the time it takes to get a lobby and the comps just so punishing

[sour crag]

Hence why I go solo shuffle instead.

[green wharf]

shamans?

bro

shamans are free kill

you just need to survive ascendesnce

or whatever is called

[sour crag]

Shaman is the least know class I know of.

Hell... I don't know any class, honestly.

[green wharf]

only zerch think they are op, be nice to him

[sour crag]

I try to be as nice as possible despite all the bully here.

[fickle forge]

The what now?

We only banter

[boreal veldt]

It's always in good fun

[sour crag]

Well I am not having fun with it.

[fickle forge]

Sounds like a you problem bro

[green wharf]

its lockers room talk

[boreal veldt]

Consider it chatroom pvp

[green wharf]

tough love

[fickle forge]

We talk the way we do

[green wharf]

but i think one dude overdid

next time diss his dracthyr cause they look shit

[sour crag]

How about dropping such way of talking entirely when one genuinely is looking for support and help, instead of this whole stupid "lol you got rekt." I don't know if this is an American thing or whatever, this toxic stuff is really not why I came here for. Just saying. Of course, if people find me annoying because I keep asking stuff...

I'm tired of the attitude,

[fickle forge]

Don't know what to tell you brother

You've been given advice and told what to do

That's not attitude

[rancid granite]

how about you say 'thanks for that awesome link full of info aatos'

[fickle forge]

If you dislike the banter, this ain't the space for you

[boreal veldt]

i was reading earlier, you were getting 1 guy'd, but the general "just keeping hitting stuff and work on your dps" was pretty much the jist of the advice

[sour crag]

points at Buhsac Case in point

[fickle forge]

Idk who that is

I mean you're on the internet dude, you're gonna have people that poke at you

It's the way it is

[sour crag]

Shouldn't be that way. Imagine if people acted like this face to face.

Jesus.

[boreal veldt]

you should come work in our kitchen lmfao

[hasty pulsar]

Lol

[green wharf]

yeah, trashtalk dracthyr next time, so you get him

[fickle forge]

And they don't

[sour crag]

I'm not here to trashtalk.

[fickle forge]

Cause people ain't like that IRL

But on the internet in a chat room, you're gonna find people cutting at your nerves

And if it's too much, only option is to get away

[sour crag]

I will admit I am roughed up mostly due to the setbacks. I really queued a lot more today.

this is the result, of my third day.

I am pretty much back to the same state I was with Arms

[green wharf]

like i said before, i recomend doing more random bgs first

[fickle forge]

You're starting to get why MMR matters now

[green wharf]

to get the feeling

to be more intuitive, without pression, learn some few tricks

when you feel you udnerstand the flow, you go ranked

[sour crag]

Oh sure, get gangpiled by 5+ people at once, that is very innovating learning.

[rancid granite]

have u met people before theyre just the same irl

[fickle forge]

Yeah we're living different realities then bro

Almost everyone I know IRL are optimistic people

[rancid granite]

well yeah if you surround yourself with good people sure

[green wharf]

you mean you get gangpilled in random bgs?

[sour crag]

God I wish this PvpAssistant addon would had worked.

Yes, Syeg

[green wharf]

where is your team

[sour crag]

wiped or doing random shit

[green wharf]

as a warrior you need to be close to the healer

[wheat jay]

I do

[boreal veldt]

have you tried blitz? a lot of maps have warriors sit on points with healers it's a great place to work on rotation, see multiple classes on their go moments and work on positioning (what little there is)

[fickle forge]

Don't cope, your IRL stops at the boarders of your house

[green wharf]

besides, its easier to learn that way than be streamrolled in ranked by people who knows what to do

in bgs more often you find people learning as well

[sour crag]

I've done a few blits, mostly for the weekly quest.

[fickle forge]

Only way to help this dude fr is to see his gameplay in a VoD

[sour crag]

it hasnt been my focus

[green wharf]

if the difference is too high, even in shuffle you will not be able to learn much

[boreal veldt]

you quite literally just hit things, if you need to work on dpsing, it's a great place to work on dps in a ranked setting

[sour crag]

fine, how do I VoD?

[rancid granite]

tldr : just q next

[sour crag]

Since you all insist I should record and leak my shit

[rancid granite]

i suggest you talk less q more

[fickle forge]

Wdym leak lmao

[wheat jay]

Bruh I literally work in sales

[green wharf]

one of the reasons i stop doing ranked matches in dota

[fickle forge]

You think you doxxing yourself or smth?

[green wharf]

cause people who never played the hero went to test first on a ranked match

[rancid granite]

nothing will beat Q'ing next idc how much you read or how many vods you watch or have reviewed

[fickle forge]

That's business bro, that ain't the same

[green wharf]

like, for real bro

[wheat jay]

Record your games, turn off microphone, we can see what's wrong, what's good or bad, provide feedback

[sour crag]

Q'ing is what I've done all evening. It resulted me getting worse.

[fickle forge]

This is some cap I'm seeing here

[rancid granite]

is that a good thing

lmao

[fickle forge]

Where's that dude who Q'd 5k matches in a season and sat the same rating

[wheat jay]

Vesa?

That's not a dude

[rancid granite]

its just learning something new lmao; learn to play an instrument? literally just play it; you cant put it down and google HoW To gEt GoOd QuiCk

[fickle forge]

Idk how many games Vesa did

But she got the 2.4k

[fickle forge]

Yeah you gotta get over the initial learning curve though

Before anything makes sense

[wheat jay]

After two seasons and like 8k games

Gotta respect it

[sour crag]

I would like to not come to that. I just want 2k

[rancid granite]

and you do that by playing

[green wharf]

i wish arms was good to play 8k games from it

[fickle forge]

You do that by looking at your mistakes and improving on it

Lol

Pointless if you can't recognize your mistakes though

[sour crag]

I think I'm mostly tired.

[rancid granite]

ok im exaggerating a bit

but the large majority is just playing

[boreal veldt]

ignore them, best solution is to gym

[rancid granite]

and well it takes time

[sour crag]

Yeah but since I got less than 7 weeks, I would like to learn -effectively- before I smash my head to the wall again.

[rancid granite]

yeah Q next

[sour crag]

And lose 100 more cr and get more angry?

[rancid granite]

so you just want to be good before you play thats not how it works

[sour crag]

that is not the issue

it is 11 pm for me

I can't sit straight

[rancid granite]

ok go to bed then cranky pants

[boreal veldt]

^

[sour crag]

But you kids can go on all night for some reason.

[fickle forge]

What am I reading

[sour crag]

I'm 35+

[fickle forge]

So is Zercher

Ain't stopping him

Tbf Zercher on roids though

[boreal veldt]

man is named after squats

[sour crag]

He's also more professional in pvp than I am, I bet

He's already got routine

or somthing

[rancid granite]

11pm at 35+ someone is brave

id be cranky too

[sour crag]

The will is there, the mental health is not.

[fickle forge]

Zercher ain't high rated no

He just plays meme builds to have fun

[sour crag]

I just want this over so I can be back being a filthy casual RPer

[fickle forge]

Why are you doing this again?

What for?

[sour crag]

The weapon enchant.

For RP.

Crazy right

[fickle forge]

Nah, you ain't the first

Vesa wanted 2.4k for the same reason

[sour crag]

I should not be in business of PvP to begin with, but here I am because PvP gets the good rewards.

[fickle forge]

Ho boi, brother has no idea

[rancid granite]

step 1: believe in yourself bro

[green wharf]

i heard zerch is bald too

[boreal veldt]

let him cook

[sour crag]

I still cry to sleep that I never got to wear the Elite Sets from Legion S1.

[fickle forge]

Rewards is the one thing we ain't got none of

Only when the glad mount is fire

[sour crag]

Eh, the transmogs are nice sometimes.

[nimble jasper]

karg how much worse is stormbringer than totemic

for smf thane

🤔

[wheat jay]

Real

[fickle forge]

Like equal

[north thicket]

The current elite transmog is just okay?

[nimble jasper]

Is it a preference thing?

[fickle forge]

Surging is slightly ahead

[wheat jay]

I somehow managed antorus elite set

[fickle forge]

Storm fucks hard though

Ascend is lit af

[wheat jay]

Legion was just built different

[green wharf]

i think is lame to cast the totem all the time

but thats just me

[nimble jasper]

I got elite on warrior in 1 day

didnt know what half my buttons did

[sour crag]

good for you?

[fickle forge]

Most of us have the tmog day 1, and then what to get for the rest of the season

There's glad mount really

[nimble jasper]

i just played paintrain as arms dh

with disc

[sour crag]

I hope you all exaggerate that you managed to reach elite rank on day 1 of season.

[green wharf]

best time to play is at the very start or at the end

[fickle forge]

I don't

1800 is swept off day 1

[sour crag]

Welllp.. fuck.

[green wharf]

start is like, no one knows how stuff work, filled with bugs

if you know how to abuse it

is lit

[nimble jasper]

elite sets are different

than 2.4

[sour crag]

Well I begun at november.

[wheat jay]

I got glad my first serious pvp season

1400 games, coached by two gladiators

Kargish and our healer

[green wharf]

got carried 😮

[wheat jay]

Coached

Couldn't rly get carried in kfc, i either had to carry my weight or never win any games

Thing is, coaching is good if its for free

[fickle forge]

By coached he means I one shotted something with necro banner while he pressed WASD

[wheat jay]

I did traps

You did whatever the fuck warr did back then lol

[fickle forge]

And I do what enh sham does now

[wheat jay]

Anyway, what my point is, send some footage, so we can give you some tips

[nimble jasper]

u mean kfc wasnt as gross

as ret war

[fickle forge]

I can't believe we could get your surv to 2.1k today when you've been AFK for an expansion

[green wharf]

iiiif the glad mounts were like, cool shit like in other seasons i would pay a carry for sure

[sour crag]

How should I make footage? I've told you before, I barely got disk space

[wheat jay]

What do you mean

[green wharf]

i know my limitations

[wheat jay]

Shits easy

[wheat jay]

Mmmmm

[nimble jasper]

i got enchant in 2 shuffle queue seshs df s1 ig

[wheat jay]

Record 5min game, upload, delete file

[nimble jasper]

i just played rogue

[wheat jay]

Thsts what I do

[sour crag]

I got 40 gig atm

[nimble jasper]

killed healer every round

lmfao

by second deathmark

[fickle forge]

That's concerning lmao

[wheat jay]

Of course it wasnt good lmao

We played survival kfc xD

[green wharf]

what, were yyou winning 1k rank per win?

[nimble jasper]

2 sittings

[fickle forge]

Those 40 gigs gonna be lost to WoW updates before long

[nimble jasper]

i got it in like

[wheat jay]

Tru

[nimble jasper]

50 rounds total?

[wheat jay]

All about mmr

[nimble jasper]

blind healer get trinket insta

[fickle forge]

We ended on 2.1k mmr bro

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[nimble jasper]

kill him in opener if dps dont peel

[wheat jay]

No shot that's 2100

[nimble jasper]

or he lives to second one if he uses everything

[sour crag]

to be fair, I am only using a 500G SSD drive.

It was a lot back n 2018

[wheat jay]

True

Ssd is mad cheap now tho

[nimble jasper]

i feel like

[wheat jay]

Get some 1tb m2. Ssd or something

[nimble jasper]

players have gotten better

[wheat jay]

Its just for comfort

[sour crag]

I plan to build a new rig. Just need a new employment. Can't even spend on a proper new keyboard yet

[wheat jay]

From shadowlands to now, id say people play worse

[nimble jasper]

i got my first duelist without having a dr tracker

[sour crag]

Anyway, what software to use to record?

[nimble jasper]

sl to now maybe

[wheat jay]

100%, due to design

[wheat jay]

I use nVidia stuff

[green wharf]

this is my first season doing ranked pvp too and i got 1850 on shuffle on me warrior, and 1800 on other classes in different specs

[wheat jay]

For fast 5min replay, I hit my button and get last 5min footage

[green wharf]

got 1950 on warlock in blitz too

[nimble jasper]

the biggest joke

was sl s2

[green wharf]

i almost never had the current expansion, so i never played ranked

[wheat jay]

Also Mich, existence of shuffle and blitz rly shifted the skill level of players

[wheat jay]

Eyo fuck you thats my season

Imma break your kneecaps

[nimble jasper]

i got 2.4 on monk playing with random healers in lfg

for 2-3 games each

No one knew how to properly trade for keefer goes

[sour crag]

I have OBS, actually

[wheat jay]

You mean using 3 walls and still dying to aoe?

[fickle forge]

Turns out it was

[wheat jay]

Cuz monk was THAT broken

[nimble jasper]

Yeah when the resto shaman

trinket links first global of sweep

and double kill

[wheat jay]

Monk was degenerate

[nimble jasper]

Yeah i shoulda played 3s that ssn

shit was goofy

[wheat jay]

Should have

[nimble jasper]

i just like

[wheat jay]

If I was ret or monk instead of survi id probably have gotten glad in 1/3 of the time

[nimble jasper]

played 2-3 games out of boredom

got 2.4 eventually because

won every game

besides rogue mage

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[wheat jay]

Glad push when?

[nimble jasper]

well i beat one cuz the rogue inted

[wheat jay]

If games are that easy

[nimble jasper]

and didnt wait for his cds

[wheat jay]

We gotta account for the fact that above 2100 there's like 50 people playing tho

[nimble jasper]

i dont think any ssn

[wheat jay]

I think my peak of ladder was in s3 shadowlands in 2s

[nimble jasper]

will be as bad as post rework df s1

ret pala

[wheat jay]

I was like top 0.3% of the ladder at some point

[nimble jasper]

every game

[wheat jay]

EVERY single game was either mirror or sub hpriest

[nimble jasper]

s3 was so degen

s3 outlaw lmfao

artji are you eu

[wheat jay]

Ye

[nimble jasper]

Yeah NA sucks at sub hpriest

idk why

[wheat jay]

Ye

na is very zug zug oriented

Whereas eu is more setup oriented in gameplay

Historically at least

Yall are cdew enjoyers, playing whatever can throw the most random oneshot from procs

Throw totems, pray for mes and trill to proc something

[sour crag]

right

this loser is going to bed

might try recording tomorrow

[wheat jay]

Sleep well

[rancid granite]

cdew.. talk about toxic

lol

[nimble jasper]

yeah or demo healer

getting high on NA 2s ladder was high chance you queue into petkick tbh

[fickle forge]

Can I be fucked to do that though

[wheat jay]

No

Neither can I

Maybe if mount looked good lmao

[wheat jay]

Dk?

In shadowlands?

Bro, free win xD

[nimble jasper]

not as often in sl but yeah

[wheat jay]

In sl dk was free win lmao

[sharp meteor]

huh

[wheat jay]

Survi was op in 2s haha

[nimble jasper]

Oh for hunter yeah

but surv usually is good in 2s

[wheat jay]

Ye

Its kit used to be perfect design in 2s

Now, its good for m+ xD

Done

Its a mess of a spec overall

With dogshit hero talents

[nimble jasper]

so many specs have awful hero talents

[green wharf]

what, you dont want to roleplay Sylvanus or a dumb night elf sentinel

[wheat jay]

Well, pack leader is getting reworked into rexxar so that migjt be fun

[verbal tangle]

Sylvanas, the Dark Ranger
OR
bootleg PotM w/o being mounted

[green wharf]

i think it funny how blizz to this day try to force that rexxar - the beastmaster - is a survival hunter

[verbal tangle]

BM should have been melee

Not surv

[green wharf]

but tis my fault for caring about the game lore when they stop doing that in mop

[wheat jay]

Fuxk you

Make survi play without pets

Make it more melee

[verbal tangle]

Fuck you dirty hunter

[wheat jay]

Suck my left nut

[verbal tangle]

Can't even fucking be ranged right, have to use a pew pew

[wheat jay]

Yes

Im witcher

Small crossbow

Bombs

Sword

[verbal tangle]

witcher

Bro didn't get the memo

[wheat jay]

Crossbow, sword, bombs

Traps

No elixirs cuz I'm not alcoholic

Easy

[green wharf]

they already did that

its called "warriors"

[wheat jay]

Bruh

No way id play warrior as main in pvp

Fuck that

Pve, sure

Pvp never xD

[green wharf]

[rancid granite]

thats why youll never dine in valhalla with me and the 2 other warrior mains here

[green wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9uy4Ip5Zs&ab_channel=BlindGuardian-Topic

[rancid granite]

🤘

[stiff steppe]

which weapon is this polearm?
https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Zul'jin/Bora

[green wharf]

might be the pvp weapons from vanilla

that you need a certain pvp rating in bgs to get

the angle isnt good

replica of high warlord pig sticker

effective on alliance scum

[verbal tangle]

Or Hellscream's Pigsticker. Effective on Horde filth

[green wharf]

it makes me super happy when alliance players are using horde weapons

like, you know horde shit look cooler

imagine using hellscream personal toys

[wheat jay]

They hate it cuz they ain't it

Horde is superior

It is what it is

[exotic forge]

The right answer

In a world of mythical creatures they choose to be humans

[fallen estuary]

Jesus christ i havent heard of this bamd in YEARS

[green wharf]

you should hear more

Hansi is god tier vocals

i preffer him in demons and wizards though

[craggy geyser]

can someone share that mag guide again please

[rugged temple]

why are que times so long for everything right now

[rancid granite]

mag guide

mad w/e

[rancid granite]

lack of heals

[green wharf]

lack of players as well

battle pet is more balanced than pvp

[rancid granite]

just healer/dps ratio

[green wharf]

[rancid granite]

oo we can use honor flasks in rated now

[sharp meteor]

biggg bloodstone gold

[green wharf]

the size increase of the ring is nuts, much better than the colossus

you combine the two and you become giga

[rancid granite]

DK's are mean, man

[green wharf]

i mean, whats the problem

fine numbers

[rancid granite]

i used to be somebody back in 2300 too

i was just fartin around in boralus and got whispered too

[green wharf]

did you kill him?

i got whisperes after i kill some random

they log a horde character ad trashtalk then block

[rancid granite]

hadn't pvped in some hours was just questing LMAO

can't even log my rogue though i'm too fixated on going for 2400

got a solid month for it np

[sterile moth]

@rancid granite just keep leveling more warriors to keep your games played down 😎

[rancid granite]

lol

i bear no shame its ok

ill surpass the great vesa if i have to

[green wharf]

the new ring have a citrine gem

that increase your size

[limber relic]

so

the ring works best with haste?

[green wharf]

does it? arent you the one testing?

you are the authority on ring business

[limber relic]

idk its weird

tooltip says 15k proc

[sterile moth]

Yeah tooltip is nerfed but it’s doing 8~12% of my damage

I’m using 3 damage proc gems

[limber relic]

my first skirm test

yeah i have no clue

this was with really low haste

[limber relic]

yea i think the more haste the better

[slow solstice]

whats the thane build for fury

[limber relic]

There are a few but i really like the one without roar.

[sharp meteor]

whatchu take instea dof it

becasue i tried spear then i tried a few other non capstone things

as a lot of it felt sort of underwhelming with like bloodthirst stuff

[green wharf]

this was my thane build for shuffle

complete degenerate i know

i think i took frienzed rage instead of power enrage as well

a lot of pression and thunder procs

it was doing fine in blitzz too, but i took a dc and went into mmr hell

[urban skiff]

shut up i'm doing my own thing now

[limber relic]

I can show my thane build when I get home

[sour crag]

Quick question, should I make a /cancelaura macro of Rampage if I have bladestorm up?

As in, to cancle bladestorm as soon as Rampage is up again

[fierce elm]

no

[sour crag]

Let Bladestorm play out first?

[fierce elm]

yes

[sour crag]

Gotcha coach

[urban skiff]

absolutely yes, only time you want to cancel it as slayer is when you need to leap somewhere far away

[green wharf]

@urban skiff if your shaman isnt like this....why even bother to zap?

[green wharf]

elf?!?

[urban skiff]

It's a very old character

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-throw-up-puke-vomit-gagging-gif-16080834

[urban skiff]

Let me show you the secret to levelling really fast

2k gold on AH to get pvp trinkets that has 2set enabled in world content as long as warmode is on

[fierce elm]

Gear optimizing nerd

Just queue timewalking 10-80

[green wharf]

the secret to leveling fast is quee timewalking

[urban skiff]

fuck no, i stop at 70, then do all world quests at 70+ and then timewalk the rest

[fierce elm]

pass

[green wharf]

two you get 1 level

[fierce elm]

Timewalking it all lmao

[urban skiff]

Starting out with bloody tokens is great for having a weapon right at 80

[fierce elm]

I aint doing world quests

[green wharf]

more depending on the level

[fierce elm]

Then send over 15-20 boxes and RNG it

[urban skiff]

fair enough, I'm not doiing timewalking, it's boring as shit

I like having the tokens to close whatever holes are left after opening boxes

[fierce elm]

Then I just farm more conq on a character lmao

send over more boxes

[urban skiff]

look at that scaling, amazing

[fierce elm]

or just full send solo shuffle in zero gear

[urban skiff]

sounds boring

[fierce elm]

I am an addict for these boxes

but I should be buying mastery gear for assa

[urban skiff]

sounds like you're secretly a healer

@green wharf how do i do 1minute burst and 2 minute burst?

[green wharf]

what do you mean

[green wharf]

?!?

[urban skiff]

gimme the macro

the oneshot

[green wharf]

/cast Blood Fury
/cast Pillar of Frost
/cast Remorseless Winter
/cast Empower Rune Weapon

i only use this

then reaper's mark> frostwyrm fury

and obliterate until burst

[urban skiff]

when do you blind?

is it grip ad nauseum into blind then big macro ?

[green wharf]

blinding sleet? i never use i only bonk

every damage breaks, so fever use to break all the time, it pissed me off so i removed it

but i guess you use as a interrupt

[urban skiff]

from experience it seems people use it to provoke a trinket right before a stun from the sub1600 crowd

which is who I plan to fight

[green wharf]

i why would you trinket something that is removed by a fart

[cinder tundra]

what quality does the algari competitor's greatsword come at minimum when using 3* materials?

597?

[urban skiff]

depends on the crafter and it doesn't matter for pvp

[urban skiff]

lmao

those pvp trinkets alone are fucking dumb

I've gone from 4k strength while levelling to 12k

[faint girder]

I heard something that due to how the game is right now, if you haven't completed and got Shadowlands Adventure Mode by now, its impossible to get it because of some type of bug or shit - is this true?

[exotic forge]

Apparently so

A friend managed to get it but it was a struggle. It should be unlocked in general by now tbh

[faint girder]

But is it possible to at least reach the Maldraxxus zone? I need to kill some mobs there on my Hunt for some item that makes me eligible to tame Undead pets lol

[exotic forge]

Assuming you can get the SL intro done, yes

[faint girder]

And the SL intro is basicly the dialog and it ends when you get to take the "flight worm" to the first zone?