pvp

[urban skiff]

easy solution

play SMF thane

never will you have that problem again

[tribal holly]

@fierce elm wattafak why christmas icon

[fickle forge]

I do dw

[sour crag]

I have no idea how I managed three killing blows, but there's my last match

So what does this mmr tell me?

[urban skiff]

fuck yeah m8, this is literally improvement

you're going to do great

every positive win will grow your MMR at a bigger pace than your CR, when you start getting losses you're trading excess MMR for CR progress

Was that an enhancement or ele shaman?

[sour crag]

Ench

[urban skiff]

he gained 96 rating for 0 wins

that's kinda wild

oh wait, what's going on

new rating 96, rating change 0

[fierce elm]

That your MMR and rating is pretty much equal now

[sour crag]

Is that good or bad?

[fierce elm]

its not a desirable position, but MMR gains are volatile in SS

You cant control it regardless

[urban skiff]

you gained 12 MMR for beating someone at your exact MMR. Game will try to make you go 2-4 now by queueing you up against someone with higher MMR than you

[fierce elm]

If you win you gain MMR, if you lose you lose MMR

[fickle forge]

It means your rating gains are gonna slow down a lot now

[urban skiff]

he's above 1600, he's already at the point where the round CR cap is 23 instead of 96

the climb will be the same, but it will take more rounds played than if his MMR was at 2100

[sour crag]

I can't wait tomorrow when I am back at 1400 or some shit. Such is my karma. xD

[urban skiff]

m8 if that happens I'll find a healer and play 3s with you, if you're EU

[fickle forge]

Yeah but even if he wins now, it'll be slower compared to if he had higher mmr

[sand sundial]

this can flip on its head if he keeps winning like a beast

[urban skiff]

true, but it's a matter of needing 3x as many games. If he hits a positive streak it will be the same number of games. MMR ahead of CR only matters for when you win less than 4/6 rounds

[sour crag]

Oh I am aware my gains get much smaller for each win, but punishingly lots if I lose, the higher I climb the ladder.

[fierce elm]

Then ya basically know how MMR works somewhat

[fickle forge]

If he hits a positive streak yeah

[fierce elm]

I wonder how high I have to reach or how many losses I need in SS to lose CR on my paladin at this point tbh

[sand sundial]

if u hit a streak u get +20-+25

[urban skiff]

if he hits a 4-2 and then goes 3-3 a bunch then hits a 4-2 and 3-3 a bunch, he'll still climb.

[fickle forge]

Yes

But that's a lot of lobbies to play

[fierce elm]

gain is gain

[urban skiff]

going 1-5 and 0-6 is what's going to hurt. 2-4 and 3-3 is fine. Just eeke out those 4-2s and above and it's a steady race towards the goal

[sour crag]

Also, the only time I would ever do 2s or 3s this season is if the weekly "Preserve in X" includes those. Also it's so stupid thata SS doesn't include in "Preserve in Arenas"

[urban skiff]

why though?

[sour crag]

Because I prefer being solo

[urban skiff]

You can view it as soft coaching or building your confidence and good habits

Where you're at right now, you can almost only go forward and climb. Anything you do that increases your knowledge will increase your chances of winning in some scenario or another.

So you just need to pour on as much as you can, what sticks sticks and all of it is good

[sour crag]

Oh right, guess I have to open up the encylopedia of every class CDs out there.

[urban skiff]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/pvpassistant

[sour crag]

Hell, I keep standing in the thunder and fire rings and have no idea if I should be worried xD

[urban skiff]

or check this out

[sour crag]

what this

[urban skiff]

it puts a list of offensives and defensives your opponents has available on your screen before the lobby starts

so you can quickly check what to watch out for

[sour crag]

Huh, like a cheat sheet?

[urban skiff]

no information overload by having to learn everything from the start. You just check out what your current opponents can do to you

Yep, and an ability catalogue for you to study while waiting for queue

there's also a bunch of maybe superflous stuff in there, i haven't had it installed for a long time and I think it was recently expanded

[sour crag]

Well I can give it a try, thanks

I think next season, I wanna climb BGs.

I still want the Field Marshal

How do I make the PvP Quick Guide to open?

Or maybe it doesn't work on Skirmish?

[urban skiff]

let me install it real quick and check

oh nevermind, looks like it's discontinued?

[sour crag]

Game version 10.2.6..

well shit.

[urban skiff]

won't even show up in my addons list when i enable it so

[sour crag]

It still pops up a few windows, but I can't even find a minimap button to get the main window

[urban skiff]

I know some people use this too, but I haven't the faintest clue what it does, but I remember not enabling it because it also has other stuff that might interfere with my ui

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/sweepyboops-pvp-helper

this one

it looks like it sort of has the skills library

[sour crag]

Way too much visual fluff for me

And it also seems to be using the raid frames a lot, which I never do in pvp

[rancid granite]

that guy is in my guild :)

cool guy

[sour crag]

Again, the only things I could keep track is my action bars and nameplates.

[slow solstice]

at some point you have to add more

and imo actionbars are in most cases hinderances

[sour crag]

Well I normally wouldn't check if it wasn't to see my own cooldowns. Me burning all my charges and leaps after chasing a ranged class is one of my personal peeves.

I've tried replacing with weakauras, but they tend to block even more of my visuals

[urban skiff]

oh neat

this guy is in mine, we're basically famous by proxy

[sour crag]

Right

What do you guys suggest how to "warm up" before queuing arenas?

I heard BGs earlier

[urban skiff]

I like to do skirmish or mining to warm up

mostly just pass the time without passing out

[sour crag]

Skirmish is so cringe tho, especially at 2s xD

I'm a literal glass cannon

[slow solstice]

queue

[rancid granite]

going outside or drinking coffee or watching tv

[fierce elm]

wake up

[fallen estuary]

I CANT

[boreal veldt]

grab a brush and put on a lil make-up

[fallen estuary]

Am i pretty?

[boreal veldt]

hide the scars to fade away the shake up

[rancid granite]

do a quest maybe

[fierce elm]

get out of bed, eat food, go by my daily life as usual before I log in and decide to queue

[rancid granite]

ill warm up in game the moment i get paid for competing or winning

[sand sundial]

10 situps, 10 pushups and light stretching

[frank knoll]

Unpopular opinion
Enhance is one of the best 1v1 specs

[floral widget]

monk too

[frank knoll]

Only thing it’s struggles into in my experience is frost mage
But that’s everyone lol

I got killed by one who i outgeared by a lot but i had no CDs and I just couldn’t touch him

[boreal veldt]

no cds into most anyone is a near lose condition imo

unless they are spectacularly bad

[frank knoll]

Yeah no ascendance
No wall
Absorb totem got purged
No spirit walk etc

[wheat jay]

Shuffle

[slow solstice]

i think all they do is shuffle

[sharp meteor]

q lower alt?

[sour crag]

imagine if I went disc

https://tenor.com/view/straight-face-smile-smerk-nick-offerman-gif-5092921

(context, never healed before)

[urban skiff]

Extremely true opinion

[urban skiff]

How? You wipe him out first mistake he makes

[nimble jasper]

People care too much about 1v1

it almost never happens

play feral if you really care about a niche scenario

[urban skiff]

True
I'd love to see Lost Arks 3v3 pvp mode where you go in one at a time but no healing between rounds.

[nimble jasper]

or the nelf druid special

of meld flight form

with no dots

in open world

[boreal veldt]

if they run away, thats a w

[floral widget]

lmao thats fr

btw yeah is kinda hard touch a good frost mage

[urban skiff]

I can only kill them on accident. But when i do it's because his partner vanished and my ascending ass just moves on to next target

[slow solstice]

i think you just need to play the game

[urban skiff]

Kick frostfire bolt to make it extra spicy and skip the 2x ice block nonsense.

[floral widget]

when he go ice block i smash his partner lol

and then get beck on the mage

[nimble jasper]

ngl i feel like healing is the harder pvp role to first get into

especially one like disc where you generally have to know when damage is coming

[floral widget]

lol

fosho it is

[urban skiff]

I tried healing for the first time since mop and i'm deeply lost.

[nimble jasper]

rdruid i would say its as bad if you start with 3v3 or shuffle

[urban skiff]

So yeah. Don't go heals unless you know a really good dps to carry you in bgs and arena

[nimble jasper]

2s the damage intake isnt as wild so not as bad

[nimble jasper]

its not an easy role unless you are playing a super overtuned one in 2s

that can get away with just pve healing at the pillar all game

[frank knoll]

Was perma slowed, had nothing
Then an MM dropped in and now I’m fighting both of them

[sour crag]

Yeah, hunter and mage combo is a death sentence for me, I notice.

I don't even know who I should prioritize on.

[rancid granite]

whoever is worse at kiting 😭

i used to think hunters werent so bad til i fought real ones who would walk circles around me

[verbal tangle]

Goblin Hunter in MoP

[nimble jasper]

I mean have you ever fought good dks who just perma chains kited you

[rancid granite]

yes lol

rare but yes

[nimble jasper]

Happens with good players of most classes i feel

like first time i ran into an actual good dh not a fotm reroll

instant vr dashes at any instance of pressure

[copper fox]

If melee are kiting me just means I’m most likely winning that game

[nimble jasper]

depends on spec i feel

like ww in seasons where their entire damage was in sweep goes

[fickle forge]

@urban skiff It's going downhill for me bro

[limber relic]

never give up

[fickle forge]

This is it man, my career is finished

[urban skiff]

What is that gross icon next to your name?

[limber relic]

glad?

[wheat jay]

Hpala

[urban skiff]

Looks like math +

[wheat jay]

You disgust me

[wheat jay]

Ugly mount

[limber relic]

its not about the mount its about getting glad

[wheat jay]

Glad is about getting the mount

That's what you get FOR glad

And mount is ugly

People play for rewards, I'm not some pvp lover playing it for passion xD

Neither are most other people

[rancid granite]

people playing for rewards are just glorified pve'ers

[wheat jay]

Its a game, with a very tricky gameplay and huge knowledge and time requirement to be good at it

Only maniacs push super high rating for pure rating

[limber relic]

people dont get glad

for the mount

lol

i mean that too but i think most people get glad to get glad that ssn

[wheat jay]

People get elite for that mostly

Glad is there for mount

[limber relic]

elite can be achieved with blindfold lmao

[wheat jay]

Elite is same cr as glad

[limber relic]

u can get elite from blitz

[wheat jay]

Its the same thing, same level of gameplay in 3s

[limber relic]

bruh

stop this

[wheat jay]

Are we talking blitz or 3s?

[limber relic]

you're talking about "elite"

[wheat jay]

Yes, which is 2400

Remind me what glad rating requirement is?

[limber relic]

elite

doewsnt specify blitz solo 3s 2s

[wheat jay]

Okay, but what are we talking about, we're talking about 3s

If we talked about blitz we wouldnt be talking about glad

[limber relic]

so you're telling me, people go 3v3 to get elite?

and then they are done

[wheat jay]

So if I mention elite, in glad related conversation, I'm talking about 3s

[wheat jay]

Thats literally where I got my first elite xD

And so did plenty of people before

[fickle forge]

Can we now talk about how vile dragon is?

[limber relic]

i said most ppl go for glad to get glad not just for the mount. u said people think elite is enough

[wheat jay]

Either way, in 3s if youre elite youre basically glad, nust need to grind few more games

I said its the same level of gameplay in 3s

Its same cr, meaning its either same, or similar mmr

[limber relic]

XD

ok dude

i cba

[wheat jay]

You think glad is some mythical r1 level beast compared to elite in 3s?

[limber relic]

where did i say that

[wheat jay]

Then why are you laughing at me saying glad is the basically the same skill level as elite in 3s?

[limber relic]

im laughing cuz ur telling me people get glad for the mount.

[wheat jay]

Yes, they do

[limber relic]

and when i try and say that its not true that most ppl who get glad get it cuz they want to get glad for that specific season

abnd you hit me with "they get elite for that"

[wheat jay]

Like I said, only maniacs push high rating just for the rating, normally people get glad for the mount

Which is the hardest to get reward from pvp excluding r1 title

[limber relic]

literally every single player ive ever met grinds glad for glad and couldnt care less for the mount

100%

guess we are all maniacs

[wheat jay]

Ah yes, need my title that disappears next season, thats the reason I should get gladiator

[limber relic]

its an achievment

lol

i mean it just sounds like its just way out of your reach if thats your excuse

"i dont wna get it cuz ugly mount"

[wheat jay]

Huh

[limber relic]

in the most nontoxic way

[sharp meteor]

nah he right everybody want glad cos sick threshold most people dont care for mount

[wheat jay]

What kind of weird thought process did you go through to say im making excuses xD

[sharp meteor]

verdant was ass the bat is ass

most people gon push anyways

if they'relike comfortably glad anyways

if theyshitcan fotm glad then ya i could see them afking until free seasons

[limber relic]

ty

[sharp meteor]

idk i pop into most cords and its like most people dont even play

most people i know gonna get the bat and never use it

[floral widget]

guys

[limber relic]

same

[floral widget]

which classes are being nerfed on that next patch?

[sharp meteor]

so tuning is either whats op in raid anc arries over or what overperofmrs in pvp in terms of numbers

aka fury

[wheat jay]

You mean 11.1?

[floral widget]

yessir

[sharp meteor]

ya probs no more tuning just q now

[wheat jay]

Noone knows anything about that season, ask when its out and people get gear lol

[sharp meteor]

MAYBE one more final tuning pass

[limber relic]

siren isle ring nerf wedensday

[sharp meteor]

which doesn't matter press q

[limber relic]

if not monday

[sharp meteor]

100p

with the ilev upgrade

its giga bis for everything

so another huge nerf

and its unplayable again

[wheat jay]

Oh right siren isle ring is op now, isnt it?

[limber relic]

idk how many kills i got with in 3s today

[wheat jay]

I wouldn't rly expect nerfs to it, i dont even think blizz is aware of anything pvp related

[limber relic]

it will

trust me

[wheat jay]

Cuz if they were there'd be some more balance patches lol

[fickle forge]

VILE class bro

[limber relic]

skill issue

❤️

30/50 wins. mby tmr ill be done then i can be done with this shit ssn

feel like ssn 2 gna be worse

legit 0 to do

[fickle forge]

Evoker is by far the #1 pick I'd choose to remove from the game

Just ban it from PvP

[limber relic]

ngl i agree 100%

dev/pres/aug

[fickle forge]

Most vile disgusting free class in the game

[limber relic]

all delete

[fickle forge]

Can't slow it, can't CC it, can't kick it and can't kill it

[limber relic]

yep

idk who came up with the idea

[fickle forge]

While doing double everyone's dam with 1 button

[limber relic]

to give them immunity to everything

while being tanky

[fickle forge]

It's vile design

Unless you're a mage

You're just gonna be annoyed

[limber relic]

we played against a few BM/dev/priest teams

i stun/kick on cd

stil top dps

[floral widget]

#updates-midnight message

those changes aint from the 11
1?

guess another classes are receiving changes on their skills too

specs or talents whatever

[limber relic]

theres so many changes

warriors get mini sanc

kekw

rogue duel gone

ect ect ect

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/jover-gif-16964140724042266462

[rancid granite]

always has been 🌍 🧑‍🚀 🔫

[frank knoll]

Anyone play enhance
Shaman cord is dead

[verbal tangle]

@urban skiff tell this man about SMF Thane

[frank knoll]

I see a lot of enhances play Lava burst with the stormbringer build
Why are we playing LB, when you spend stacks on it, it doesn’t so a lot of damage maybe like 600k

[hasty pulsar]

This is basically an enhance channel

[tribal urchin]

is the new ring good for pvp?

[green wharf]

no

when blizz will implement damp in blitz, so fucking annoying have two disc priests immortal

even without mana

🤢

[limber relic]

yes

[tribal urchin]

two different answers

[limber relic]

i use it at 2500mmr 3v3 and alot of kills have been from ring

u be the judge

[tribal urchin]

what are your gems?

[green wharf]

did they buff overnight?

[sharp meteor]

uhhh it does marginally more dmg than standard ring

will be 100p op on tuesday

but probs nerfed by then

[limber relic]

i mean i had a 800k thundering proc

killed someone

also getting 3k mastery/vers procs aint bad

[floral widget]

u use this ring wit which one

[limber relic]

its funny cuz i check details after a 3s game. i had like 15% dmg from just the ring. 2% from elemental lens and like 10-15% from authority of depth

[green wharf]

i dont want to farm shit on that shit island though

[limber relic]

takes u 10min

[limber relic]

wdym

[green wharf]

the gems not

[limber relic]

gems takes u 0

just do the event

[green wharf]

then isnt 0

[limber relic]

1min*

[green wharf]

[limber relic]

"go kill this rare"

tag it and afk

[tribal urchin]

so you said the ring is bad because you don't have it?

[limber relic]

yes

u lose like 4% mastery and 5% vers tho so tehres that. thats like 10% dmg but u gain that in shear dmg then u get random stat increase too like 3k vers/mastery

[green wharf]

no i have it, but tis heavily nerfed afaik

if its doing better might be a bug or will be nerfed

[limber relic]

doubt they will nerf it on new years

got 15 glad wins today, hopefully i can get my last 20 tmr/tonight

eziclap

youd be wise to abuse it while u can >:D

gn pceout

fyi, enhance and rogues are insane with the ring

[floral widget]

u r fury aight? u use the circes circlet one to ring

but what is the another one ring that u using

conquer or craft

[rapid ember]

Anyone able to help me out!!!! #1322793844055609384

[limber relic]

Conquest ring. Haste

[urban skiff]

i can't bring its procs up above 2%

[limber relic]

Low haste

[urban skiff]

uh

stats look like this for enh

maybe the secret is to break the PPM mechanic

can get it up here during burst

[green wharf]

so good to play prot in blitzz

priests dont die, so you dont as well

too bad i have a killing headache, need to stop grinding mmr

[urban skiff]

sounds like you need to try drugs

Amphetamines to make you sm0rt. Betablockers to make you calm. Roids to make you cute.

can't play without looking your best

[green wharf]

you lost me in the last one

[urban skiff]

why is random bg so trash

😦

I just want to press stormstrike

[green wharf]

all bgs are trash

[urban skiff]

man i just want to press stormstrike

skirmish isn't scratching the itch when everything drops dead before i'm halfway through ascendance and kids can wake up any minute, so I can't do rated content

[green wharf]

yeah bgs need the objective to win

unless you play for the lulz/kills

[boreal veldt]

honestly why isn't there a team deathmatch bg

the idea of 2 deathballs running into each other sounds interesting

[green wharf]

there is one rolling now isnt?

tauren mill vs something

[verbal tangle]

It's not a real bg

[green wharf]

well its a bg brawl

can go nuts there

[verbal tangle]

Brawls are by design not meant to be rated

[green wharf]

he said he didnt want rated

cuz the kids

[green anchor]

it's arguably the worst pvp content experience in the game

one team steamrolls over the other team and people ragequitting

[urban skiff]

I do

[urban skiff]

I think what buhsac is saying is that it would be interesting to see a deathmatch bg that also works in bgb

But the problem with deathmatch bgs is that it's going to come down to who gets a few kills first, so ranged comps will just stomp everything

[wheat jay]

first kill on healer would be instant win

[green wharf]

yeah, it would be weird

[urban skiff]

First group with a dk + evoker to just put a healer into africa in the backline

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

if it had to work, it should elimite the immediate loss over losing one or two members.

could add a respawn, but then there would be a respawn timer and a walk back that woudl also cascade into an almost certain loss.

So the only real solution is to assign "points" to the teams and add instant ankh on death on top of whichever team member is the furthest away from the fight

[green wharf]

respawn times are all wonky

my team killed two healers in one cart, they immediately came back, like 5 sec

it made no f difference

[urban skiff]

that's because respawn timers start on the first death

So you kill one person, timer starts. 20 seconds later you kill two more. First dead guy waited 30 seconds to respawn. The two other people end up waiting 10 seconds.

which one do I get?

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-talking-about-what-is-going-on-what-confused-confused-look-gif-19302294

one of the most shit interaction in wpvp i had right now

disc priest vs me as prot war

lowkey 10m fighting

he died in the end because he got tired and tried to run

god bless juggernaut to get me the tip

[urban skiff]

Gods i just want to play and train uninterupted for a few days. This start stop start stop is just killing me.

[lavish quest]

You got both, I see your keyboard. Can't fool me

[sand sundial]

Right one every time

[urban skiff]

Nerd v hunk

Outdoor v gamer

[sand sundial]

Any of these combinations work

[urban skiff]

Getting railed is the important bit

But you know gale for mage hand. For 2 in the B hole, one in the P hole.

[urban skiff]

Shaman gotta know when to throw and when to catch tbh

[sand sundial]

This guy lmao

[urban skiff]

My trades teacher used to say, its not gay to try dick. It's gay to go back to it after trying.

[sand sundial]

Hell yeah

[frank knoll]

I met my rating goals for this season
All I do is unrated on alts now lol

[sand sundial]

I'm like 100-150 off

[frank knoll]

Unrated is fun
Get to smash noobs
No pressure
And you can also get some fun challenging moments vs good people

[thick reef]

[frank knoll]

Last night kinda how it was
All of them were super one sided
No good close games

[craggy geyser]

Hey guys haven’t played since July last year lol. Are we still best at fury? Making my return tonight 🙏🏻

[rapid ember]

Anyone able to help me out!!!! #1322793844055609384

[urban skiff]

what's up with all the new fresh meat?

[wheat jay]

pve season is mostly over, now people do side quests

[sand sundial]

New season on the horizon, and the end of season is always best time to pvp

[rancid granite]

best time to pvp is when you feel like pvping but ya

[rancid granite]

the earthy sexy scent from the woods surely beats a moldy watery library rail

[lavish quest]

Best time to pvp is never

[urban skiff]

I feel like it depends on the library.

[lavish quest]

I did a few solo shuffsies a couple days ago.
Definitely don't think it was worth it

And I gained rating

[sand sundial]

You said shuffsies

[sand sundial]

Factually incorrect

[lavish quest]

What of it?

[lavish quest]

And I'd say enlightened.

[sand sundial]

Nah it's fair I'm jk

As warrior, might even agree

[fossil mortar]

My only issue with PvP is the que timers, then you get into the game and ppl just stand there AFK. One guy screams his lungs out in the chat. Rest seem to be losing on purpose.
It is a weird experience to wait to get into

[urban skiff]

Where are you seeing this?

Shuffle is everyone hyper focused and in blitz you just have to get MMR above 2k to play extremely fun and close games

[lavish quest]

Fun and close?

Uh huh

[thick reef]

is fury better in blitz than arms?

[fossil mortar]

Ye, I will make sure to not have fun as my starting experience - to go through a mire of boredom, to get to have fun

[urban skiff]

maybe it's not so weird I'm having a good time on my shaman in blitz

they have the highest winrate across all dps

[fossil mortar]

Just better players play it, ya know

[urban skiff]

according to drustvar, no

obviously the real answer is "It's complicated"

[lavish quest]

Figure outlaw would be best at it given their whole thing is flipping coins...

[fossil mortar]

Fury is more Zug Zug Fun tho, just go Fury if you ain't an arms enjoyer

[rancid granite]

just have fun instead then? 👍

[urban skiff]

In truth, play whatever you want. You're going to see results by sticking to the spec and queueing a lot, so whichever spec you're more likely to stick with is the best choice for you

[limber relic]

this

[rancid granite]

what fury pvp talents do you guys roll with

i keep swapping enduring rage, battle trance, disarm but idk

[limber relic]

enduring/leap/disarn

always battlefield+MS

[rancid granite]

yeah ofc

enduring rage seems like it could be a classic go-to just +dps

[limber relic]

leap into mage/dev. disarm into frostdk/fury/enhance

enduring into rest

[rancid granite]

[limber relic]

🤓

[rancid granite]

no disarm into ret or arms or rogues?

[limber relic]

meant to say warr not just fury

[fossil mortar]

That do be the reason I rarely do PvP

[fierce elm]

nerdassses

[limber relic]

99% rogues play with mages and i pref leap talent

[rancid granite]

fair

[limber relic]

affli+rogue disarm could be alright but

[fickle forge]

I wouldn't disarm an assassa ever

[limber relic]

disarm into assa is meh

yeah

[fickle forge]

Bro just gonna spam fang and crimson

Still do 1M dps

[limber relic]

i just try to keep distance from an assa

and avoid stacking or its super gg

[fickle forge]

Assassa has to be deleted though

Return sub, delete assassa and outlaw

[limber relic]

in 11.1 sure. when they remove duel

[rancid granite]

gonna be even more assa and law after that

lol

[limber relic]

whoever came up with the idea to give rogues inf CDR

should be fired

[fickle forge]

I mean sub has nothing going for it now lmao

Dance and subterfuge used to be it, but now all 3 specs have that

Why ever play sub

[limber relic]

hi im a rogue i have 90% passive slow

[fierce elm]

The same reason you have stuck to Arms constantly

Because they are dumb and need to re-consider their choices in life

[limber relic]

trash class

[fickle forge]

Arms at least is still somewhat unique

Sub is literally an inferior assassa

[fierce elm]

Yeah, unique in the sense that it does nothing and is an inferior spec

almost the way Sub is lmao

[fickle forge]

Like it does nothing assassa can't do

[fickle forge]

You're caping brother

[fierce elm]

"I could play fury which is just flat out a lot better than arms in every way, or I can play arms"

"I could play Assa/outlaw which is just flat out better at everything Sub does, or I can play sub"

[fickle forge]

Yeah call me crazy brother, but I don't think fury and arms are that far apart

Fury better and arms slightly behind

Sub is straight up unviable

[fierce elm]

Well, considering the consensus is that fury is the best melee in the game, idk about that

But my point still stands, for fun

[limber relic]

waitwhat

[fierce elm]

lmao

[fickle forge]

Fun

[fierce elm]

ANYWAYS, for fun is why people play sub

[limber relic]

fury best melee?

[fierce elm]

the same reason people play arms lmao

[fickle forge]

But nobody is playing sub though

[fierce elm]

There are some of them out there

[fickle forge]

It's as non-existant as DH

[limber relic]

ive seen subs in 3s

[fierce elm]

It doesnt help that Sub requires game knowledge and knowing what you do somewhat

[limber relic]

rmp stil exists

[urban skiff]

I only get barbarian for third now. Gotta enjoy it while it's there

Probs taking it out of rotation so we can get it back as epic gems/legendary set or something lol

[limber relic]

barbarian is a must against deva/mages

[rancid granite]

shame theyre removing it too 😔

maybe the dragon charge thing will be cool though

[fickle forge]

Can they remove evoker next

[limber relic]

just remove hover

and cast immunity

[fickle forge]

I will literally start maining mage just to piss off evokers

[fierce elm]

do it then

nerd

Gets you off playing healer kek

[fickle forge]

Lmao

Whether I am warr or healing, I fucking hate uwukers man

[fierce elm]

Yea but if you play Mage we can force James onto healer again

checkmate

solves everything

[fickle forge]

Or

[limber relic]

i mean

[fickle forge]

Hear me out

[limber relic]

i play WMD on 3s

my mage cant do much against the deva

[fickle forge]

Start playing a spec that works with warr and we make James heal

[fierce elm]

yeah no

[limber relic]

cuz we face Deva+BM

[fierce elm]

Warrior blows and I hate it

[fickle forge]

Deva+BM should be illegal

[fierce elm]

and playing Shaman sounds boring

DK is wack

[fickle forge]

Blowing 1.5M single target dps and cleaving

[fierce elm]

and I aint playing a ranged spec

[limber relic]

imagine them losing to WMD

KEK

[fickle forge]

I swear WMX is lowkey good

Just not deva+BM good

[limber relic]

wmd is

btier at most

[fickle forge]

You could also just play thunder and be straight up better

[limber relic]

oddly enough ive had more success as WMD than thunder+hpala

kekw

but i think its cuz i tend to sometimes be a lil too agressive and with mage i can but with ele u gotta play passive sometimes

but literally seen 0 WMD in 3v3

literally 0

[sand sundial]

I'm at 2.2-2.3k this still isn't the case consistently

[limber relic]

blitz at 3k is almost always 100% win or 100% loss kek

[sand sundial]

And it has x2.5 times the representation pulling the WR down

[sand sundial]

Ikr

At least people start to know what their roles are

Only Temple can really swing I feel

[limber relic]

i mean 100% win or loss from start is stupid

[sand sundial]

In CtF if they cap first you either gotta GO or you're cooked for 5 minutes

[sand sundial]

I agree

Tbh not too different from other competitive games but there aren't built in come back mechanics in this one

[limber relic]

i mean games can just be like

kotmogu we wipe them

get 4 orbs

[sand sundial]

I think it's a lot to do with mental

[limber relic]

and then they afk

[sand sundial]

Yeah exactly

I had Warsong games come down to last seconds and few extra inches diff

But people just flip over and doom generally

[limber relic]

ive had so many games where

we just win 1 team fight

[sand sundial]

It's joever

[limber relic]

and games over

yea

[sand sundial]

That will never go away unless they rework pvp (kekw l m a o)

Honestly BGs are just for hitting 2400 at this point, for me

It's not the most fun thing to do as a warrior anyway

[lavish quest]

2.2-2.2 huh? 🤔

[sand sundial]

Typo!

Or maybe I am hardstuck

[lavish quest]

It's okay, I'm hardstuck in the 1.2-2.4 range

[fickle forge]

Can we fix the game already Blizzard

[limber relic]

told ya

[lavish quest]

Working as intended

Move along citizen

[hasty pulsar]

i think I... love the ring?

zapping dudes kinda fun

[limber relic]

i wish i had my screenshot of me killing someone for 800k thunderlords

[hasty pulsar]

any of you guys have an issue where citrines dissapearing from bags? am i selling these things by accident or wat lol

edit: ohhh nvm im depositing them to my warband bank lmao

[urban skiff]

enh does super well into evoker, why would you bother making a mage?

[fickle forge]

It doesn't really though

[urban skiff]

how not?

[fickle forge]

It gets kited all the same

It's only scary during ascend, but then the evoker can just hover out of line

[urban skiff]

can't both kite me all the time and also have a hover to escape los though

purge is full range, not half range

[fickle forge]

Yeah they can bro

Trust me, hover is permanent

[rancid granite]

lot of outlaw playing with the ring

[fickle forge]

It's troll not to play the ring

It's like 20% of your dam

[rancid granite]

i only see ~2 on fury idk why

i assume they're both similar enough

[wheat jay]

furies cant read, thus they dont know how to read the guide about how to get the ring O_O

[rancid granite]

takes like 10mins to get all the gems; just grabbed them all

ill try it out momentarily 🙏

[drifting siren]

is dracthyr a good race in pvp?

idk what to choose between dracthyr and night elf

[wheat jay]

for warrior?

if you want to be optimal

[drifting siren]

yea

[wheat jay]

gnome

[drifting siren]

na fuck gnomes, i want anything with pointy ears

i wont be optimal if im not swaggin

[rancid granite]

i like you

look good feel good play good

[wheat jay]

worgen

[urban skiff]

I mean I've played aug/dev every season. Hover isn't permanent

I need advice, what's a good monitor for vertical secondary stuff? Like browsing or watching shows while playing?

Gotta fit on an arm because I have a vision

[lavish quest]

Wut up with the pointy ear fetish?

[urban skiff]

I cannot seem to bring the dam up on my enh. I feel like there's some weird interaction for warrior that makes it higher value

[wheat jay]

Fair, id go dragon cuz I can be horde

Playing alliance is wack

[sand sundial]

Enh and War are like G&T

Made to be bros

[urban skiff]

ayyyy broooo

[wheat jay]

Tho nelf is objectively better

[sand sundial]

I would NOT go dragon, for fury some attack animations are lacking audio cues

[wheat jay]

You can stay in elf form as warrior tho

[drifting siren]

i went dracthyr

i cant perform if i cant double jump

[wheat jay]

You're not forced to be an ugly fucking dragon like on evoker

[sand sundial]

Skinny Belf? Eh it's ok

[wheat jay]

I play belf warr

[lavish quest]

Still have to have scales tho

[sand sundial]

I like the anime ass animations

BT feels amazing to press

But if I'm dracthyr, I'd rather rock the full dragon warrior aesthetic

You kinda can't imo

[slow solstice]

i dont even onow what the bt animation is

[wheat jay]

Armor

[sand sundial]

Uppercut

He shoryukens and spins

[slow solstice]

never seen it

[sand sundial]

If you are male

[drifting siren]

id do that if their feet werent shaped like broom heads

[slow solstice]

on my mom

[wheat jay]

I never liked those ngl

Best animation ever in wow is old thunder clap on panda

[sand sundial]

Most animations are universal, BT being an exception

[wheat jay]

It was a butt slam on the ground

[lavish quest]

Some helmets show your face you scaley fuck

[wheat jay]

And blizz removed it...

[wheat jay]

I mean, you wear one that hides your face anyway you ugly fuck lol

[sand sundial]

It's kinda cool asf in fast phace, it's the same with 2H belf animation where the dude fucking spins the big ass sword 360 around him

[wheat jay]

And didn't undead have like a front flip slam at some point?

[sand sundial]

I have Belf Pala, he fucking goes hard when I do my burst

[wheat jay]

Female undead some years ago

[sand sundial]

Worgen does rn, kinda ass imo

[lavish quest]

Well now you just assuming

[sand sundial]

Preach

[wheat jay]

Yes.

Do you play marvel rivals?

I see Jeff on your pfp

[lavish quest]

Yes

Although I don't really play Jeff. Love him, but he sucks

[wheat jay]

Lmao fair

Id play but no time

Almost done with my poe2 playthrough

[lavish quest]

Homie went from unemployed to has no time huh

[wheat jay]

Fam I'm working in insurances now

[lavish quest]

Game doesn't even have queue times

You hit play, match found then and there

[wheat jay]

Its going MUCH worse than it should

But it's betting better and better

[lavish quest]

The last person I knew who worked in insurance hated it

[slow solstice]

lol

[wheat jay]

Its really hard to start a job and your boss goes "go work, good luck"

[wheat jay]

I like it, kinda

Setting up meetings is terrible

Meetings themselves are cool

[sand sundial]

https://youtu.be/vCVj-Atzh7U?si=F2L4DLU2U0gv3-Km
0:20 tho even this is outdated

[lavish quest]

Does it pay PHAT?

[slow solstice]

i only know execute ww

maybe crushing blow

[wheat jay]

It will

Rn it's decent, if I make minimum sales a month that I need to, then I'll be making more than in my last job lol

After that, sky is the limit, the more I sell the more I get

[sand sundial]

This type of stuff makes or breaks the class for me, it has to feel good in every situation lol

[wheat jay]

Pay ceiling is crazy high

Floor is crazy low xD

[lavish quest]

Ah still in sales. Ye you do well you'll get fat.

Not sure I could do a sales gig

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[sand sundial]

Which is why I hate the sweeping strikes bug 😡

[wheat jay]

Sales is weird

[slow solstice]

nah i barely notice

[wheat jay]

I hate people, meeting people, and interacting with them

But somehow I'm doing well there xD

[slow solstice]

artji

[wheat jay]

Or at least not terrible

[sand sundial]

I get it. For example I can't play frost on my life due to how dogeza terrible it feels

[slow solstice]

can you play on ansurek for me

[wheat jay]

Mythic?

[slow solstice]

as tank

🙂

[lavish quest]

Are you making eye contact?

[wheat jay]

If you guarantee I get a mount, I will come and tank

[lavish quest]

It's easy, stop being a bitch

[wheat jay]

Bro this is actually funny

[slow solstice]

i cant do anything but let you play

🙂

[sand sundial]

I always felt that majority of warriors are in tech or finance for some reason

[wheat jay]

Cuz last job I was holding eye contact for so long my coworkers were getting anxious

[wheat jay]

Could be, ye

Funny thing is that most finances and IT guys are gym goers nowadays

Or at least physically healthy

[sand sundial]

Exactly

[wheat jay]

Unlike the stereotype

[sand sundial]

It's so typical lol

[slow solstice]

not when i have 6 new pugs everyday who are dogshit and cant do the mechanics

[sand sundial]

Only do weightlifting with chest and arms focus

In the gym when they go

[lavish quest]

Don't pug dummy

[wheat jay]

I used to do martial arts

Since I was 8 till like 21

[slow solstice]

yeah tell that to rhe funny guy

[wheat jay]

Oh you meant hc

I thought about mythic lol

[slow solstice]

no

[wheat jay]

My guild is on a break now

[slow solstice]

i meant mythic

[wheat jay]

Oh

Well

[slow solstice]

🙂

[wheat jay]

Give me mount and I can tank

[slow solstice]

raid times would be 3-8 am

🙂

[wheat jay]

Ngl I kinda wanted CE this tier but this raid was exhausting

Especially worm and princess

[slow solstice]

worm

sucks BALLS

[wheat jay]

And the aspect of rng in EVERY SINGLE SPEC

[lavish quest]

You raid for 5 hours????

Jesus

[slow solstice]

i didnt show you the schedule?

[wheat jay]

Dude, dps difference between getting procs and not getting any being like 25% is dogshit

Got procs, 20sec bladestorm cd

[sand sundial]

??

[wheat jay]

Didn't, 1min...

[sand sundial]

???

[sand sundial]

Ret is kinda clear of this

Unholy too

[wheat jay]

Ye, survi too

And dh

Which is what I like about those specs

[sand sundial]

Destro and fire make their own luck mostly

[lavish quest]

[slow solstice]

hes eu im na

[wheat jay]

My guild is usually 3 raids a week for a month, then 2 raids

3h each

[sand sundial]

Dh in DF was bonkers

[wheat jay]

Ye

I like dh

In pvp too, its fun

Its like less constricted warrior

[sand sundial]

I wouldn't play it unless I'm forced in gunpoint in it's current iteration

[wheat jay]

Except is the worst spec in the game now lol

[wheat jay]

I got used to it kinda

But they need to remove the byff from sigil of flame

Its too restrictive in your rotation

[sand sundial]

Inertia is sooo bad bro

[slow solstice]

its more so i didnt know i was tanking

[sand sundial]

And the opener is so janky imo

[slow solstice]

and we have wasted os much time

to attendance

[sand sundial]

I liked the late DF iteration where u did whatever u wanted and it kinda worked

Like current Ret

[wheat jay]

Ye inertia I hated too

[sand sundial]

Maybe the 11.1 change will make it more bearable

[wheat jay]

I wish I could raid on survi or dh but my guild has only one warr, me xD

And I'm fairly good on logs so its my jail

We lost monk tho

[sand sundial]

I'm allowed to swap as well, most of the fun stuff is taken tho

[fickle forge]

This season too?

When we got hero specs

[sand sundial]

I'm debating ret or unholy unironically

[lavish quest]

I only got 4/8 M this tier because a guild I know wanted me to press battle shout

Artji, did you know Gio's schedule?
Homie could literally get a job instead

[wheat jay]

Real

[slow solstice]

send him in dms

too tired to

[sand sundial]

I wanna see it too

[slow solstice]

just owoke up

[lavish quest]

I gotchu. Comin ur way artji

[urban skiff]

actually haven't found it very interesting this time around

Aug was sort of interested for a short while

[sand sundial]

Lemme see

[fickle forge]

Yeah it's this season deva has perma hover

[sand sundial]

You can't post emotes from other servers in here? Interesting

[boreal veldt]

[lavish quest]

Our lord and savior Mud can I think

Because he managed to convince them to give him SF while he was here for 2 weeks

[sand sundial]

Seems like the type of rule that got implemented due to something in particular happening

[urban skiff]

It's probably to keep the place clean with minimal mod action

[urban skiff]

what makes it permanent now?

[lavish quest]

This chat was wiped before in fairness

Before my time, but still

[fickle forge]

Breath resets the cd on Hover

[urban skiff]

Isn't that one extra charge per minute?

[lavish quest]

Think Artji went on some racist rant and the channel got nuked

[fickle forge]

Breath has CDR too

[urban skiff]

feels like the kind of thing enh fucks up fast by dispelling the cc protection and landing some chunky stuns

[sand sundial]

As one does

[lavish quest]

Oh, forgot to send

[wheat jay]

????

excuse me

I was never racist here

[urban skiff]

not you, the real artji

[wheat jay]

Rovicus was white

and i wasn't laughing at his skin color

but him being an obese monster at the level of caseoh or pre-cut nikado avocado

or both combined

and autism jokes

[lavish quest]

What's that gotta do with it?
You can be racist to white people too sir

[wheat jay]

ye but im also white

so white vs white is just insults

with no race talk involved

[lavish quest]

It can be tho

Point is. Obviously Artji is racist.

😉

[limber relic]

we will all remember gala

[wheat jay]

i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

👀

nah jk

i hate everyone equally ❤️

[lavish quest]

I've seen your prime minister's, or whatever he is, view

Ain't fooling the shark

[limber relic]

i will never forgett galachad and the

"whats your cr" debate

those were good times

[wheat jay]

Tarczyński?

[lavish quest]

Yeah that guy

[fickle forge]

Save us Blizzard

[rancid granite]

dang its puttin in work

[urban skiff]

i completely missed what made him disappear

was it good drama?

[slow solstice]

can you try the stat gems

please

[limber relic]

i missed why he left too

[rancid granite]

no

why

[urban skiff]

how the hell do you get the damage to be so high? is your dam just very low?

[slow solstice]

because they sim better?

[urban skiff]

My totem is like 60% of my damage done, hard for dots to compete

[slow solstice]

just do it to amuse me

🙂

[urban skiff]

the stat gems are nerfed by 75%

[slow solstice]

are the damage ones not?

[urban skiff]

so you're getting like 1k stats

nop

[slow solstice]

XDDDDDDD

i thought it was all

[fierce elm]

Sick NERFS blizzard

nope the damage gems are not nerfed

[urban skiff]

tell me what to do to make the dam look good

[fierce elm]

not sure how good it would be on fury

[urban skiff]

I cannot make it work in the content I test in

[fierce elm]

however, outlaw is good with it

I just tested on dummies

both pvp and non pvp dummies

[north thicket]

I've always wondered if/why class writers like Archi and Nomeratur on wowhead and you on icy-veins don't have a call line to the dev team?

History says that dev darlings like mage/rogue/paladin have.

[urban skiff]

i tested in skirmish but fights end like 4 seconds after i press ascendance so I have no way of doing anything with the info

[fierce elm]

trying to force james and karg to do 3s with me

[urban skiff]

skip them do me

I'm also danish and also enh

you don't need karg anymore

@fickle forge

[rancid granite]

lot longer match

[urban skiff]

how long do i have to last to make it look good?

[fickle forge]

Nah I got no association with the devs, but Archim does

[north thicket]

Red lights district vibes 😄

[urban skiff]

By the looks of it you were in combat for at least 222 seconds

[rancid granite]

the first one was like 20 sec match lol

[urban skiff]

So what, roughly 6 minutes of actual combat?

[urban skiff]

that's actually impressive, since slayer strikes is avg 7 ppm, so you had 3x normal proc rate in 20 seconds, which is yuuuuge

[boreal veldt]

kinda begs the question how good the healer procs are too

gonna test it on my priest when i get home today

[sand sundial]

I actually didn't use the ring pvp yet

[rancid granite]

last match

[limber relic]

a tip is to change squall for legend

[sand sundial]

Are you just running it with 3 proc gems

[rancid granite]

like surely those #s make up for lack of 1 ring's stats

[rancid granite]

yeah im just rolling what i saw on outlaws murlok page atm

big brain rogue stuff

[limber relic]

yeah, but im using the legend skipper something instead of squall

[rancid granite]

the one that just doubles the proc dmg of another gem or something right

[urban skiff]

losing 4% haste and 2.7% vers by taking it off

[rancid granite]

how the hell do we theory craft the math on that though

[urban skiff]

it's doable if you want to do sims

[limber relic]

4% mastery 5% vers

[urban skiff]

but not for shaman because we have so many different mods

[rancid granite]

with ring / with normal crafted ring

[wheat jay]

you playing the legion weapon challenge?

[urban skiff]

technically just sim with and without a ring equipped

[limber relic]

i mean

just do simple math

[urban skiff]

should give you an idea of how much damage you lose in a pve setting.

[limber relic]

780=1%vers

500=1%mastery

[urban skiff]

5% vers is 5% less damage done. 4% mastery is less than 4% damage

[limber relic]

660=1%haste

[urban skiff]

1,05*1,04= 1,092 = around 9% loss if you have 100% enrage uptime

sorry, i messed up

it's actually -8,42% damage done

it's (100/1,092)-100

Now the fun question it begs is how much the loss of vers messes with your vers diff balance

[rancid granite]

well it definitely feels cool and fun

special ring that does cool procs

[boreal veldt]

we like cool and fun

[rancid granite]

adds flavor

RPvP > PvP

a magic thing thats not just +stats :)

[boreal veldt]

it does proc off dots too so bleed arms can run it
it does not proc off dots

probably not as GOOD but still
it's bad for arms

[urban skiff]

you know I realized the other day

Someone said 0.5% of players are pvp'ers

that means there are fewer pvp'ers than there are roleplayers

[boreal veldt]

are WE the weirdos?

[urban skiff]

We're certainly the weirdos for demanding equal treatment to career pve'ers

Flip the script and imagine a roleplayer demanding to never have to engage with pve content in any way. They should be able to cover the costs of enchanting and gemming through their roleplay only!

Also they should be able to level up through roleplay because they HATE having to do world quests or level up

Gearing entirely through roleplay and only roleplay. Filthy PVE'ers coming in to roleplay should have to gear up from the start instead of having their gear carry over and be somewhat effective at roleplay.

[rancid granite]

XP per /emote

is literally in some wq's

😂

[fickle forge]

I mean thane is completely crazy

[urban skiff]

PVP'ers are so fucking weird about wanting to never engage with any other parts of the game, imho

and I'm a pretty tolerant guy

[rancid granite]

pve is what makes pvp fun for me and i feel relatively alone in that

[urban skiff]

you're not alone

[verbal tangle]

I don't want to punch NPCs, I want to punch Timbo

Simple as

[urban skiff]

I've been a mythic raider since before they had mythic mode

[fickle forge]

Oh so this is how you fix Execute, you just play fury

[rancid granite]

like, League? fighting game like tekken? its fun but its not the same as 'making your character' then going into pvp

[vapid tartan]

I like pvp I hate questing

[fickle forge]

I mean tbf, why should I have to

Just like why should PVE'ers be forced to engage in PvP

[urban skiff]

world wouldn't end if pve'ers had a reason to go into pvp. Shadowlands had some of the healthiest seasons and it's because pve'ers had reason to step into pvp for pve advantages

[rancid granite]

its awesome when its like fyrakk/seal of duty or w/e

not NECESSARY but gives that small boost

[urban skiff]

I got fyrakk liike the final week of DF

[rancid granite]

i tried lol i still want it for the mog

but it gave me a reason to raid

and i liked that

[urban skiff]

this tbh

[rancid granite]

imagine if sockets could only be made by pve'ing

WOULD BE FUN

samesies for pve'rs to pvp somehow idk

[urban skiff]

letting pve'ers get an extra catalyst charge from pvp would have been GOAT for inflating the ladder and building a solid base

Ladder is the healtiest when it's full of honor-geared pve'ers who just want to do their weekly stuff and some of them get caught up in it

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-jokes-laugh-very-funny-jokes-gif-8006636675585716814

[urban skiff]

and want to do better

[fickle forge]

The amount of tears and complaints I saw from PvE'ers having to PvP bro

[urban skiff]

you know what? I'm cool with that

People don't die from not having the cutting edge advantage in everything from only doing one single thing

[fickle forge]

Rets and mages complaining they needed 2.1k in arena to get their badge

[green wharf]

PVE players, specific m+, need a reality fucking check, so they can get fucked for a while

[urban skiff]

I never whined about having to do M+ to raid competitively despite being bored out of my mind in M+

[fickle forge]

M+ and raids are at least the same content type though

About as different as arena and BGs

[green wharf]

raiders are fine, m+ act like they are the last hot shit in the swamp

[urban skiff]

They're really not, not at high level. Your opponents are both computer controlled but that's pretty much where the similarities end

[green wharf]

i dont remember then being this arrogant back in bfa

[urban skiff]

raids should have levels like m+