pvp

[hot solstice]

ppl havent seen proper sub rogue ending shuffle rounds on second kidney on 2400+

[green wharf]

survival is a pretty shit spec imo

[frank knoll]

Sv has like 7 rotational abilities you have to keep on CD

[green wharf]

i cant make it work for me

its so messy

you dont know if you bom, if you kil command or raptor strike, and all the buffs

ykes

[frank knoll]

That’s just the damage doing abilities
You have two separate offensive CDs you have to use separately on different CDs
You have stacks to manage
A pet to manage
And a bunch of utility abilities as well
Also you’re squishy af

[frank knoll]

Yeah
It has major button bloat
Have to be autistic like Bicmex to make it as SV

[north thicket]

Hey quick question: would you opt for Magyar orc if horde fury alt?

How far behind normal orc would it be

[green wharf]

aand its sad, cause i rly like survival idea, to be a melee hunter with me wolf

[green wharf]

racials dont rly matter much, unles you like, aim for the 0.5% of the dudes

and even so, you will be picking like, gnome or night elf before normal orc

orc is better, cause hardness and extra lil damage to burst

[frank knoll]

Some guys like Dark Iron Dwarf too

[green wharf]

but go the way you like more, both look dope

[green wharf]

thats pve race

[north thicket]

got it

[frank knoll]

My warrior is Human cause they look the best in Transmog
Hasn’t kept me from my goals

[green wharf]

orcs, tauren, zandalari, look much better in plate armor

even with then missing the feet

zandalari is also super big, i want to see how it goes with the colossus buff and the ring that get you big

[frank knoll]

Orc has the weird shoulder thing going on
Zandalari looks cool except for the feet thing
Tauren run too slow

[slow solstice]

thats a lot

[green wharf]

what weird shoulder thing

they look fine to me

the weird one is worgen

it looks like is floating

Tauren run the same speed, but they are THICK

[frank knoll]

Shoulders are too big and some models would clip through helmets
And when upright the shoulders would be floating unless they fixed this

[rancid granite]

what is wow without big ass shoulders

[frank knoll]

I think Kultiran might actually look cool
Never played one though and barely see them

[limber relic]

Once u play gnome u cant play without the racial.

Escape artist is just so good

[green wharf]

Honestly this seems like the case for every race

[urban skiff]

lots of stuff

[green wharf]

wow shoulders always look stupid big

[urban skiff]

i didn't expect you to watch all, just like skip through and spot if he's like pikaboo trying to explain hpal

(completely unhinged and clueless)

Is it big-smart or unhinged to queue double healer in blitz?

[green wharf]

i was grinding gold, made 22k with the dailys today

im gucci

[green wharf]

you will still need to find two healers on the other side either way

[urban skiff]

oh neat

[urban skiff]

no but i meant like, wife going for disc priest and I've got a hpal. I can either find a dps to climb with (her) or I can climb with her healer, and either it's really smart or really cursed thing to do

Probably way smarter if we were meta blitz healers

[north thicket]

Is HM Tauren also on the map after the buff? Unsure how often the Bull Rush would trigger stun dr 😦

[green wharf]

they got a verst buff as well i think

so they all right

the rush is good cause war mobility is shite

[green wharf]

i mean, you need to test and see if its any faster

but if you play well should be better

cause you can make calls

[urban skiff]

faster or not faster, winning more is more better

[green wharf]

its one of the reasons x3/x2 is better imo, cause you can talk on discord and make calls

shuffle is jut so much intuition

[urban skiff]

I can live with sitting in queue 3x as long if it means winning twice as often

because math is fun like that

[rancid granite]

going for a shoulderless mog makes it look like a different game

[urban skiff]

i almost always go shoulderless

but that's because i'm a shirts-off guy

[rancid granite]

rogue got 1 or 2 good ones

yeah your shoulders go right to your stomach i seen your big beefy guys

the power cores

[urban skiff]

Only thing worse than the comically big shoulders are when shoulders are comically small

like female draenei

[rancid granite]

lol

i still mog to the big shoulders sometimes like this seasons warrior pvp set is legit

throw on an equally big weapon

[urban skiff]

for kt human, you either go full heavy plate with everything, or you go pants gloves only and bare chest

[rancid granite]

it works

lol

[urban skiff]

Putting on DF S2 elite set makes my kt human feel like Themberchaud

[floral widget]

share ur mog rn

[rancid granite]

i just did ^

that was me the one and only

[floral widget]

yeah its insane

[limber relic]

honestly no clue. idk if ill leave gnome either way. racial is just too good on gmome

[north thicket]

got it

[frank knoll]

That’s cool ur wife plays
Mine says she gets “the ick” when I game

[limber relic]

lel

[urban skiff]

RIP m8

I met her through a mutual friend from my guild

[frank knoll]

Nice

[urban skiff]

And she's been playing since she was 10

There's something epic about playing helldivers 2 and saving each other. Slightly worse with pvp because it get really invested and my post-game reflections can quickly sound like I'm assigning blame. So hoping playing bg together will be less...... Strenuous?

[frank knoll]

My wife plays the sims and stardew valley
That’s about it
Wish mine would play WoW with me but she has zero interest in it lol and thinks it’s embarrassing that I play it period lol.

[urban skiff]

sounds like you need some gateway games that'll make her accept that nerdy is cool

Baldur's Gate 3 is on sale right now, 20% off

[green wharf]

yeah, that like one of the worst games for the gateway

i would start with tabletop dnd

but hey, some people just dont like something

i also never got out with a girl who liked

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm my deadlift gone up by 3% since september

Still a pitiful total but considering I've had 3 different physical therapists say I'll never deadlift comfortably I'm still happy

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[urban skiff]

Bg3 to tabletop is easier than the other way. It takes some huge balls to let yourself roleplay while looking other people in the eyes if you're the type to feel icky about world of warcraft

Maybe playing something like Lewd Dungeon Adventures could be a soft gateway and also a cute couple's exercise. But now we're just assuming a whole lot of things about Mastakiller's wife

[limber relic]

my wife makes fun of me for having a magic rooster...

[urban skiff]

did you tell her to pet it?

[limber relic]

ofc,

[limber relic]

i mean look how big it is

[urban skiff]

Met up with my wife's Belf rogue yesterday on a zandalari warrior and her first comment was "Perfekt height to remove lint from your belly button"

Idk if that counts as flirting for anyone else, but if the babysitter had said something like that she'd flip her shit. And that's my way of knowing if she's flirting or not.

[rancid granite]

very few qt shoulders; that one rocks lol

[limber relic]

KEK

[limber relic]

fury monk?

[urban skiff]

uh, what is this instruction??

[fierce elm]

My will to live has increased 20% ever since the mountains opened for the season

Not as much time to workout though

Third day riding today in a row, now taking a small break due to new years and stuff so can workout then. After that its pretty much snowboarding daily

Then another break due to fucking getting tattooed, life is a mess rn

[urban skiff]

@slow solstice 7500 honor for a single recipe that sold for almost 22k

[urban skiff]

Trying to get my kids to go for a daily walk during the holiday. Big kid suddenly obsessed with training while I train. I'm teaching her to L-sit and do dips while L-sitting.

Also trying to train daily while I have the extra time

1.5m to 1.9m in 24 hours

[floral widget]

anyone know how to create auras?

[urban skiff]

weakauras?

i haven't the faintest clue

but i'm sure if i did, i'd be fucking unstoppable

I'd make like a odometer for tracking win conditions so I could turn my brain off completely

[floral widget]

lmao

[copper fox]

Yea type in how to create a WA on chat gpt. Or just type “create xxx” and it’ll do it

Embrace AI or die

[floral widget]

i jus wanna make a aura for offensive

[floral widget]

hmm

ima try it

ty

[urban skiff]

let us know what you want it to do

[copper fox]

Yw

[floral widget]

jus show the skill and glow when it be out cd

[urban skiff]

try starting from here

see if you can figure some of it out

[floral widget]

bc it basically double the rampage dmg

aight ty

[copper fox]

function(states, ...)
local _, _, _, _, _, duration, _, _, _, spellId = UnitDebuff("target", "Polymorph")
if spellId then
-- Add logic for DR tracking based on the spellId
-- Store DR information and show the icon next to the debuff.
end
return true
end

[urban skiff]

learning it would be a slippery slope for me, so again, I try to actively avoid knowledge on the subject

[copper fox]

If you don’t wanna learn, chat gpt just made me a WA to track DRs; that’s only part of it

I just typed it in

Took 12 seconds

[floral widget]

nice[

[fierce elm]

what the fuck needs

[rancid granite]

chatgpt WA's LOL

[exotic forge]

Is that the wrecking ball recipe?

[urban skiff]

cloth shoulders rn are 50k a pop

cloth gloves too, actually a lot are pretty high right now

looks like it was the precog recipe

[fierce elm]

who the fuck is BUYING THAT

[urban skiff]

people who are too good to pvp

idk

[fierce elm]

Like what the fuck lmao

Isnt there zero money in crafting basically

[urban skiff]

nah

crafting is the hot shit

But current meta you have to have an alt army and abuse concentration

[slow solstice]

^

its a lot of investment

ive prob made like 200k from crafting just one character

but ive used it all on consums so

and reinvesting it

[urban skiff]

if i had the brutosaur in df i'd have made at least 2m more than i idid

probably would have goldcapped ten times over because what stopped me from going harder was literally just the walk to and from AH / mailbox / crafting station

[slow solstice]

XD

i just made like 40k from selling delve stuff

undercoin into delve reagents

into tinderboxes

do you rhink tinderboxes will skyrocket at the start of next patch?

[urban skiff]

hmmm

I think there's a group of people who are holding large quantities of materials for next patch

the question is how much inventory you can move while they're competing amongst themselves to unload thousands of crafting materials before the price goes below what they paid

[slow solstice]

sounds like too much work

[green wharf]

the thing is, throwing someone who dont like videogames into bg3 is like giving rum to someone who dont like alcohol, need to start more light

[slow solstice]

also i gambled like 150k during raid

[urban skiff]

my tactic is to put up 2-10 of high inventory items every few seconds and typically they get sold, but putting up 200 of those items never ever get sold unless the price resets

[slow solstice]

went from 11k to 211k

🙂

[urban skiff]

But they like video games, they just like stardew valley and shit.

[rancid granite]

just needa start with friends :)

[urban skiff]

There's a huge overlap between stardew valley and bg3 players, so I think it's sorta safe

[urban skiff]

I got in early on farming them

[slow solstice]

yeah i did not!

[fierce elm]

You know, there are clear signs of some soft of neurological diagnosis

and I know you have one

but even if I didnt

this would be a sign

[slow solstice]

the most amount of gold i made was boosting keys

i boosted like 5 keys total

250k

🙂

[fierce elm]

I just hover around 50-80k consistently kek

[slow solstice]

prices are super bad rn though do i cba

[fierce elm]

And if I ever need any gold I just token it up and thats enough for a season at least

[slow solstice]

even buying aotc is cheap

its legit 50k

[urban skiff]

I have ADD

And maximizing money and stuff is like half my job so I guess there's a nice overlap

[urban skiff]

400k in 24 hours btw

technically more since I gave my wife 20k so she could level comfortably

idk what the thing is that turns dh invincible forever but this one felt really comfortable when I was pounding damage into him with my ascendance during it

surging totem just completely unloaded into him when it ended for almost 4m over a few seconds

[slow solstice]

goldwise i hover near 0

🙂

[fierce elm]

I know

[exotic forge]

SL and DF dungeons/raids give some good amount of money as well. 1k-2k at most per dungeon

If you're into that

[green wharf]

a lil "secret" for raw gold

if you are renow 80 in shadowlands covenant

you can get the weekly to get 1k anima

do the two worldbosses and you get 1600 gold

fast, easy, im doing with 6 characters for 9k

[slow solstice]

renown 80

how long will that take

XD

[green wharf]

you buy the thing to instant go 60

every raid boss is +1 renow

[slow solstice]

what thing ?

[green wharf]

i dunno the name, but close to the flying master in oribus

there is a mofo that sell to you

[slow solstice]

ty

ig i just need characters to run sl

[urban skiff]

tbh i kind of want the shadowlands transmogs

[green wharf]

it took me like two months, to get the castle nathandria mythic set

with 6 toons

shit drop rate

[urban skiff]

i just played it

you're right the droprate was shit, missed half the mythic set

[green wharf]

the last two pieces is what took one month and a half

and it was the damn wrist

you dont even need it

but my OCD would not allow to stand

[verbal tangle]

Pretty sure you have to have Renown 60 to use that item

[urban skiff]

just once, right?

[verbal tangle]

IIRC yes

One character needs to get there normally iirc

[urban skiff]

pretty sure there's accelerated growth until 40ish

[green wharf]

you need one guy to have it

and all the alts can buy it and use it

[verbal tangle]

Yeah, but you have to have the one guy get there first

[green wharf]

i assume most people here at least played a bit of shadowlands

but atm isnt hard to get that, doing old contnt

i tink i get my 80 by doing torgast for the monts

[verbal tangle]

You get 60 doing the SL MSQ, which you need to do to get access to everywhere

[green wharf]

i got like, 10 to 80 doing torgast

[exotic forge]

Choreghast*

[green wharf]

i liked the idea and it was a fun content to do

too bad it didnt give you shit

better than delves

[exotic forge]

Transmog and stuff for SL legendaries is all I can think of

[green wharf]

i liked when you get the torgast powers

to make fun stuff

there was the power to make execute knockback+ministun

you fuck up the bosses and they could do shit

[urban skiff]

Torghast was fun while it was optional. Whenever the game wanted to force me in there I felt like throwing up

But damn if it wasn't hilarious on my warlock and my warrior

Feral was a pain in the ass though, dk was meh

[rancid granite]

SL was awesome for me. started at the end and never left ardenweld 10/10 expac

[urban skiff]

I've played wow since release and never missed more than a few days. Losing out on the anniversary statue because i had a payment lapse due to my card having to be replaced sucked big time.

Imho all expansions were 10/10 when looking back

Thoroughly enjoyed the shit out of the game most of the time. Backing off during the final months before next expansion is just part of the experience

[fierce elm]

Start some drama so I can have some enjoyment at work

There has been huge patches that are downright disappointments

SL was just a mess

WoD had no content basically

MoP last patch and cata last patch were too long

Legions first patch was awful

BfA first and 2nd patch were fine then they fucked it up

[rancid granite]

pvp or just in general

df was 10/10 tww is 10/10

thats all i know

[sand sundial]

Proposed pvp changes SUCKS I don't like the removal warbringer AND barbarian for the trade off of a janky dash that replaces leap

Removing mobility from a class that already can't stick well in this meta is tone deaf!

There

[fierce elm]

Not controversial, next take

[fierce elm]

In general

Didnt play enough of DF to comment

[sand sundial]

Nerf warrior

[fierce elm]

TWW so far has been great

PvE feels good, world/design/sound is amazing, PvP feels okay just a lack of players

Gearing is a bit convoluted

[sand sundial]

Arena has been very good but blitz experience has been frustrating

Pve on launch was amazing

[verbal tangle]

I mean warrior is just a bad blitz class

It be what it do

[exotic forge]

Anything after Legion has been a downward spirals for me. Every new expansion has had its up and downs, but Legion was the one where they tried something new and it worked once and it was at its peak; everything afterwards is trying to mimic it but is so watered down imo

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/debbie-downer-nbc-snl-saturday-night-live-saturday-night-live-gifs-gif-10284698

[verbal tangle]

You act like Legion was good

Random leggos were good apparently guys

[frank knoll]

Naw she’s just never gonna be into games
That’s alright with me ya know

[rancid granite]

legion was cool as hell im sad i missed it

artifact weapons? alien invasions and spaceships? cool af

[verbal tangle]

Artifact power
Random leggos

[rancid granite]

idk what that is but i imagine its like..... you play and you collect things and you get more powerful

s'all the same

i feel like in df/tww i played more legion lmao

mogs and collecting things

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

i find it funny that to this day, there are legendaries that i never drop from Legion

despise doing the mythic raids for years

fucking awful expansion that was only good at the end after they fix their shit

[rancid granite]

imagine liking something for what it is

[sand sundial]

Yeah but let me cook

Don't have to kick me when I'm down already with these changes

[exotic forge]

It was

[exotic forge]

You're talking to buhsac, he's gonna kick you down further into the shitter bud

[sand sundial]

I was referring to the devs rather than the other person

[exotic forge]

But sure, grind at the beginning of Legion was bad. But it got so much better by the end

[exotic forge]

They don't know what they're doing with warrior

But sure "we're happy with where warrior currently is"

[urban skiff]

I would have participated in DFs4 if the set bonus for warrior had been different.

[urban skiff]

This is a wild take. Warrior has excellent mobility and sticking power compared to other classes.

[urban skiff]

It just doesn't sit with me that you gaming is giving her the ick. I support my wife's goofy weird hobbies full stop

[green wharf]

one patch was ok

[exotic forge]

Do you genuinely believe WoD was better?

[green wharf]

honestly, yeah

[exotic forge]

Alright, that's it

[green wharf]

all the shit wod had, legion had as well

difference is:
Wod: cut content
Legion: shinny content

wod raids were good, pvp good, class design good

leveling good

Lore was meh, but it was better

[sharp meteor]

i lost half my goddamn buttons

[exotic forge]

Can you really say we had good class design when something like arms warrior was whirlwinding while waiting for ms and cs to come off cd?

Sure, Execute was fucking strong but cmon man

[sharp meteor]

zones were cool raids were sick dungeons were good but that's it

[exotic forge]

^

[sharp meteor]

it was a 12 month expac dragged out for 2 years

lots of specs gutted

garrisons a wreck

pvp pit of despair

idk man

[exotic forge]

Garrisons made you a LOT of gold tho

That's about it

[sharp meteor]

ya 5k per day per char u logged into

[green wharf]

And in legion they fucked over the specs in prol of their 'spec fantasy"

and they killed gladiator stance

[exotic forge]

They made prot warrior arguably better in Legion

[urban skiff]

what the fuck is going on with my damage right now

[green wharf]

isnt prot that had that lame skill that you spit fire from the shield

[exotic forge]

Yes

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

prot was superior in WoD

[exotic forge]

Sephuz + Antorus 2 set bonus + Battle Cry = people dead in 2 shield slams in 1 single stun

[green wharf]

And they killed vol'jin in legion cuz Sylvanas wamen power

[urban skiff]

ok but WoD had Gladiator Stance

[green wharf]

that already make top 3 worst wow expansions in my book

[exotic forge]

Got nerfed halfway thru

You forget this

[urban skiff]

Doesn't matter

it was there

If you only like a feature because it's strong, you don't really like the feature. You just like being strong

[green wharf]

isnt also, wod they introduced the pvp sets with pvp power

so you didnt had to farm pve shit

[exotic forge]

You could literally spec into dps as prot in Legion and you did more damage than the dps in your group what

[urban skiff]

I used to do more damage than anyone else in WotLK while tanking as cat druid

[exotic forge]

But we're not talking about bear tanks

[urban skiff]

I'm just saying, dealing more damage as a tank is just going to happen occasionally

wasn't specific to legion

[exotic forge]

I don't recall prot ever getting nerfed in Legion, whereas they gutted glad stance til they removed it

But maybe we didn't play the same expansion

[urban skiff]

Glad stance was nerfed because it was too good. Not because it was a dps spec

I'd play glad stance warrior even if it was worse dps than both arms and fury right now

[exotic forge]

That I can respect

I mean I play smf when everyone else shits on it

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge am I the only one upset that elemental blast doesn't also trigger DRE?

[verbal tangle]

Glad stance is just pvp warrior now

[urban skiff]

I did SMF full haste stacking on my first warrior in TWW. I knew it wasn't going to be good but damn if it wasn't stupid bad 😦

[verbal tangle]

Shield Slam mashing into the big fat Demos

[urban skiff]

Still looked super fun swinging 2h with 1h speed and like 80% haste

[exotic forge]

Stacking full haste is not the best idea imo because you'd benefit more from mastery at that rate

[urban skiff]

is why I play prot

[exotic forge]

What was your build?

[urban skiff]

yeah I know, I just wanted to see the animations if I went all haste, SMF, thane, and equipped 1hs but transmogged them to 2h via leggo appearance

[exotic forge]

SMF was much better during DF because we had annihilator + all the auto attack mods

[urban skiff]

I wasn't doing much when I connected with people, but damn if I didn't do nothing super fast

[urban skiff]

Annie was the best. BT Slam WW felt way better than BT RB RB

[verbal tangle]

SMF is basically only good to FC and only if you can get there before the other efc can settle into a turtle

[urban skiff]

You didn't even have to play SMF to have fun with OF Annie

[exotic forge]

You had a lot of Enrage uptime as well in comparison, so depending on your mastery, you were always doing full damage

[verbal tangle]

Yeah but PvE players cried so we can't have Anni anymore

Fucking subhumans

[exotic forge]

Also, Bloodrage

[sour crag]

@fickle forge You asked me earlier what my current mmr is.

[urban skiff]

it makes absolutely no sense to me. They cried because it was dumbed down fury. But it was the same or more buttons

Pure nonsense

[verbal tangle]

Because they are 80 IQ at best

Peak PvE moment

[exotic forge]

Probably because they had to sacrifice Crushing Blow

[urban skiff]

tbh pvp'ers whined too. It was during the embarassing period where everyone insisted that arms was the better spec and fury was dumb

Again, literally same buttons

[urban skiff]

I had a macro for that

#showtooltip Raging Blow
/cast slam

[exotic forge]

Arms was really good in 10.0.5

[urban skiff]

There, you can't tell the difference anymore

[exotic forge]

Man, good times

[urban skiff]

I don't think it was about arms being stronger. It was about arms being the superior playstyle while fury was dumb zugzug

Kinda crazy how those complaints are just completely gone this season

Haven't heard anyone complaint about DH either this time around

Barely hear complaints about retri

[exotic forge]

I honestly would rather play smf with Annihilator. I enjoy pressing RB as much as the next guy but it feels wrong with 1 handers

[urban skiff]

Which tells me that people didn't hate them for playstyle. They hated them for being stronk. Which is embarassing.

At least be honest about why you dislike stuff

[exotic forge]

More so when the talent benefits from auto attack dmg

[exotic forge]

Ret is very dumb

[urban skiff]

it's more buttons than I care to press

[exotic forge]

They didn't need more range to their abilities

[urban skiff]

and I play enh

[exotic forge]

They needed mobility, that's all

[urban skiff]

idk, I think it's kind of cool. Brings retri closer to D3 crusader, which is a very very cool class fantasy

[north thicket]

Ret is so dumb I can't even touch mine even if it's so easy and powerful nowadays

[urban skiff]

100% certainty, they gave bladestorm back to fury to bring fury closer to diablo's barbarian

[exotic forge]

Eh.. but can you really call it a melee class anymore then?

[urban skiff]

I've always said we needed more attack ranges than "melee" and "range"

Like melee, mid, long range

melee is warrior, rogue, etc. Mid is survival (and add BM to this), retri, devoker, uhdk, enh. Long is classic casters

Would be way more interesting for raids

[fickle forge]

Yeah you got some way to go then, you're definitely at a stage where you should focus on learning fundamentals over anything else

[urban skiff]

And tune UI to provide the most impactful information first.

[sand sundial]

In arena you're fine if you play your mobility like a human being. Most of the time

In high mmr BGB they will dance around you regardless of what you do

[north thicket]

It's shocking that warrior feels so fragile and yet it is THE melee class

[urban skiff]

Like when people are using offensives, or defensives. Highest priority. Next priority is getting DRs under control. Finally start finding out how to keep an eye on when cooldowns are coming back up

[urban skiff]

However much they dance around warriors, they dance more around some other classes.

[sand sundial]

If you got CtF you're fucked, if it's temple or the cart map it's amazing to be a warrior

[urban skiff]

Enh has feral lunge, gobbo jump or sprint. That's less than warrior. Sure we can pop weird totems or oom ourselves offensively dispelling. But I just want to get in there and press stormstrike a lot. Not sit rooted behind a pillar

[urban skiff]

truth

Kotmogu on my shaman is the goat. Just load up chain lightning, pick up berserker, pop ascendance and just chain off of whichever ballcarrier has highest stacks

[fierce elm]

Now this is a convo

[urban skiff]

For CTF I singlehandedly carried my last game in twin peaks

Twice I thundered EFC off of the side of the map, twice I walked up to EFC and just deleted him without ascendance and returned flag

Felt good

[north thicket]

would enhance beat warr 1v1 nowadays

[urban skiff]

I don't love maps where i'm encouraged to do nothing, like defend

[sand sundial]

Maybe

[urban skiff]

depends on both and what the environment is like

a lucky spellreflect can 100-0 the enh

enh has like 4 valid builds right now and warrior has at least 3(?) between arms and fury

totemic elementalist
totemic storm
stormbringer storm

ok 3, sorry

[sand sundial]

I mean there's a reason MW and Pres are overrepresented asf in BGs

[urban skiff]

rate my matchup

[urban skiff]

the good thing about CTF maps is that eventually EFC has to stop moving

[sand sundial]

No not really

Glide! Teleport!

[north thicket]

you have joe rogan on your team

[sand sundial]

Priest pulls you right back

[urban skiff]

What I mean is, they'll reach their flag room and have nowhere to go

[north thicket]

easy win

[urban skiff]

Only had real problems in WSG where they had 2 priests

they took turns jumping off roof, then gripping back up again if we followed down

[sand sundial]

MW monks will teleport around the map and tell you it's ok while you have to spend 45s running back

[urban skiff]

roguan

that's like his cousin

[sand sundial]

You need multiple people who are set up just to deal with a single choice they make without much thought

[sour crag]

In less than a month? ;'D

[sand sundial]

Forget about solo dpsing a mw or pres anyway

[fierce elm]

Shouldnt take longer honestly

If you focus on learning and not just playing

[wheat jay]

For 1800, you need only the most basic things

But you need to do them fairly well if you haven't pushed arena before

[sour crag]

Well I've no idea how to learn then. And please dont tell me to record vids, I have no space for that.

[fierce elm]

There is a huge difference between playing and learning for most people

[sand sundial]

1800 you can hit in a single session

[fierce elm]

Watch twitch people, figure out why you fucked up

etc eyg

etc

[nimble jasper]

im a simple man i see stormstrike light up, i hit it

[wheat jay]

If you know what to do, yes

Main idea is that he's learning

[sour crag]

My attention span sucks to figure out other players.

[fierce elm]

Then do it in small increments my guy

[nimble jasper]

ngl 1800 if you already know how to do pve dam

and watch drs

thats all you need

[sour crag]

drs?

[urban skiff]

I think we doing ok

[sand sundial]

I mean fury war is as adhd as it gets

[sand sundial]

Gg

[fierce elm]

Diminishing returns

on stuns, fears etc

Each stun after the first one has its duration shortened unless 30s has passed between them

[sour crag]

I keep telling you, I physically can't look at anywhere but the nameplate. If I switch to check anything else I lost focus instantly.

[fierce elm]

Etc etc

[fickle forge]

We have @bright kraken who reached 2.4k in a season for the first time

[north thicket]

joe roguan man of the match

[verbal tangle]

Pretty sure 1600 is the cutoff for "you have a braincell"

[sand sundial]

I mean tbh the only real advice is to just get a bare minimum set up and hit the ground running

[sand sundial]

In my experience, in BGs 2100

In Shuffle 1900

[nimble jasper]

you dont want to put people in a half duration stun

or 1/4

if you can help it

[fierce elm]

How do you watch movies, how do you go outside and remember to walk when looking around you

[nimble jasper]

varies by class ofc, some classes definitely need to watch cc drs more

[fierce elm]

by getting used to it

[sour crag]

I haven't seriously climbed in arenas since BfA, and that was barely still.

[sand sundial]

I wasn't following the initial conversation, what's your goal?

[fierce elm]

If you can walk and look at your surroundings you can glance at a gladius bar real quick

[sour crag]

the enchant.

for RP 😄

Otherwise I am VERY much no tryhard in pvp.

[sand sundial]

Oh 2100

[fierce elm]

So 2100

1950*

[sour crag]

1950 someone else told me.

[fierce elm]

1950 is correct

[sand sundial]

Right right

[fierce elm]

Changed this season

[sand sundial]

2100 is weapons

Honestly friend, ez

As I've said get a bare minimum ui set up you're comfy with

[urban skiff]

how do i have victory points without holding balls?

[fierce elm]

Anyways, it comes down to the basic principle of get better at what you suck at or remain stuck

[urban skiff]

do we get 10 per killing efc?

[sand sundial]

Practice in random BGs, then just queue

[fierce elm]

You are the blitz knowledge man

[urban skiff]

my man!

[sand sundial]

Like BGB is the easiest way, albeit RNG plays a big factor

[sour crag]

Suppose I'll do a bare minimum UI then, without the Pro setup templates, what should be the most mandatory to have?

[fierce elm]

Gladius

[sand sundial]

Yes kills give points

[fierce elm]

If you could pick one addon

it would be a form of gladius

[sour crag]

How should I set up Gladius?

[nimble jasper]

are we trying to push in bgb

warrior role in bgb is mostly teamfight isnt it

[fierce elm]

Comes basically pre set up

[urban skiff]

windfury procs for 290k - 350k

fuck I can't wait for 11.1

[fierce elm]

you just move it to where you want it

[verbal tangle]

Kill people, occasionally run flag

[sand sundial]

Gladius is enough. Maybe couple auras.. And move your ui around for example clean your quest log

[vapid tartan]

Kinda

But playing for tf in blitz is usually dumb

U just rp as a dh for the most part

[sand sundial]

"Attack dog" as I like to call it

[fierce elm]

displays DR, health/mana, CC, cooldowns, line of sight

[urban skiff]

warrior job is to create chaos and make your team shine.

[nimble jasper]

yeah i only remember rbg sometimes you were tc

due to sharpen

but bgb has no comms

[urban skiff]

Good use of sharpen and cc is key to warrior performance in group settings

You can get far with a /ping attack macro with sharpen + ms

[sand sundial]

I always spam ping when I'm going hard on someone

Teammates turn on that target only then

[urban skiff]

even farther if you macro a countdown until sharpen is ready again into the macro

[urban skiff]

I put this into battlegroundenemies addon

[slow solstice]

yo pvp talents do i play as rpot

[urban skiff]

middleclicking enemy tells to attack that target

[verbal tangle]

Bodyguard, Morale Killer, Oppressor, Battlefield Commander, depends on matchup

[sand sundial]

There are a few decent guides online. It comes pre set up kinda but you'd wanna personalize or understand what it's showing you. If you want to do BGB(which imo is easier for 2100) get battlegroundsenemies

[urban skiff]

Do similar for friendlies but assist instead of attack

[nimble jasper]

easier but longer q

i imagine

[sand sundial]

Ye similar I just use the base function

If you want to learn PVP for realzies, play shuffle tho

[sand sundial]

Kinda, especially as warrior

[urban skiff]

really short queue for enh tho

[sand sundial]

Overrepresented for how much of a bum of a class it is

[nimble jasper]

probably because the average bgb player

gets a 3 caster shuffle lobby

[urban skiff]

my warrior has longer queues, I think bgb tries to keep 1 of each spec per team as much as possible

[sand sundial]

Yes

[nimble jasper]

and goes 0-6

[vapid tartan]

3s if u want to learn imo shuff is usually a clown fiesta

[slow solstice]

thunderstruck is bait?

[sour crag]

I just wanna soloshuffle arenas because I can't be bothered with LFGs.

Unless BG SHuffle is easy to climb..?

[nimble jasper]

shuffle is a mess

[sand sundial]

They need people who are willing to queue with a fresh random or friends who are willing to stay for the ride

[fierce elm]

Blitz is a mess

shuffle is a mess

3s is a mess

2s is a meds

[urban skiff]

I think suffle is the better starting point if starting from near zero. Finding team mates to learn with and build a base of knowledge that allows you to start absorbing knowledge from streamers is difficult

[sand sundial]

I'm that friend usually in my circles

[fierce elm]

it just be that way

[nimble jasper]

isnt 2s like

the same 4-5 teams

due to how dead it is

[urban skiff]

So getting into shuffle and getting those reps in is just better than getting run over in arena

[nimble jasper]

even at mid mmr

[sand sundial]

2s is worse

Than 3s

[sour crag]

I never have any steady teammates who stick around past 1 match so.

[fierce elm]

so like 3s lmao

[urban skiff]

I'm always willing to queue with randoms. Even if the comp is completely inane

[nimble jasper]

you get hardcountered less in 3s

2s sometimes you just get the worst matchup

[urban skiff]

I just want to press my buttons and get lots of happy hormones

winning is secondary

[nimble jasper]

and have to hope they throw

[vapid tartan]

Ya true

[sand sundial]

Sigma Enh mentality

[verbal tangle]

Sir he is SMF Thane

[urban skiff]

rate my SMF thane build

[urban skiff]

this meme better never die

[sand sundial]

I played some Turbo in 2s that was fun asf but it stops when healer has their monitor turned on

[nimble jasper]

is totemic real in pvp

[urban skiff]

It's like straight up endorfin release every time you support me

[vapid tartan]

Yes

[nimble jasper]

i honestly assumed a stationery damage totem is not realistic

[sand sundial]

You need to be sent to an institution

[urban skiff]

it's fun as fuck

[vapid tartan]

good shams are nutty w it

[verbal tangle]

I mean you wear Male armor, it's pretty goated

[sand sundial]

I like how enh gets reworks nearly every expac

Dominates PvE

[urban skiff]

man just wait for 11.1

[sand sundial]

Yet is kinda not there for pvp

[fierce elm]

Enh is just stuck in limbo

[urban skiff]

I'm gonna show you the biggest bullshit you never saw coming

[fierce elm]

Where they never know what they want to do with them

[nimble jasper]

actually i prob retract my statement

[fierce elm]

see: Survival, Outlaw as well

[nimble jasper]

considering how many players in this game dont kill totems

[verbal tangle]

I got hatemail earlier from a hunter

Stifled his Stampede with a weapon swap into Thunderfury lmao

[urban skiff]

1. you can't kill totem
2. the pulse is just part of the damage, it also shoots lightning bolts
3. the big pulse when you use sundering is centred around you, not the totem
4. you can macro /use [@player] totemic projection into sundering to make sure the totem follows you when it counts the most

[urban skiff]

fucking lol

[sand sundial]

Tbh some totems are tanky asf

[nimble jasper]

i could have sworn it pulsed damage around the totem

when you pressed other buttons

[urban skiff]

this one is centered around player, not totem. Other totem pulse is ofc around totem

[verbal tangle]

-20% Attack Speed is fucking wild

[nimble jasper]

yeah might have understood the totem's damage as just the pulsing around it

[urban skiff]

Fun part about totemic rebound

Is it stacks indefinitely

[sand sundial]

Tbh I thought about switching to enh for season 2

[nimble jasper]

i've only seen goofy pve clips

of people getting infinite sunder resets

[sand sundial]

I wouldn't pvp as enh tho you got me fucked up

[urban skiff]

Do it now, so you can at least try the fun builds before they break enh again

[nimble jasper]

during bloodlust power infusion

[urban skiff]

I'm afraid we're forced into elementalist builds in 11.1

especially if they fix up their little stormstrike mistake

[sand sundial]

Unlike you I take my medication I would not pvp with enh haha

[urban skiff]

it's stupid fun in pve as well

[sand sundial]

That I might try

[urban skiff]

the secret is playing with this enabled

[verbal tangle]

Niche

[sour crag]

I love that you guys chat about shaman pvp in a warrior server 😄

[urban skiff]

Check out zybak on youtube. He has some fun shorts displaying the other enh builds

[verbal tangle]

It's SMF Thane shut the fuck up

[urban skiff]

We'll chat about anything. Start asking questions about how to adequately maintain 1920s steam engine and someone here is going to have some answers

(me, I have that answer)

[sand sundial]

What is that exactly

[urban skiff]

It's dualwielding. It's stacking haste. It's throwing lightning strikes.

Can grow and get big and angery and grey

[verbal tangle]

It's SMF Thane

[urban skiff]

has the classic SMF thane doggos

can summon the classic SMF thane totems

full package

[sour crag]

SMF Thane..?

[slow solstice]

you are saying you play hr always as prot?

[urban skiff]

Single Minded Fury + Mountain Thane

[verbal tangle]

I do

[slow solstice]

ignore them its going to distract you from your goals

[sour crag]

I'm on queue, so

[fierce elm]

Just follow the shitposting

arguably the greatest part about #pvp

[sour crag]

Silly question, do you guys do arenas with or without sound?

[slow solstice]

only shitposting you should follow is #fury

[fierce elm]

with

[slow solstice]

with sound but might ws well be without since im listening to music

[urban skiff]

with, i use the sound to know what is going on

I can tell that I've been shiv'd before I can spot any hints on my UI about it with sound on

[sand sundial]

Sound on, I like to hear the attacks it gives some feel to the flow of my attacks

[urban skiff]

this, but also important feedback for specs like fury that has fluctuating haste levels

I find it extremely difficult to play my KT Human as fury because of this

It's fine as prot and bearable as arms

[slow solstice]

dont you love having to swap targets

and losing 8% haste

its my favorite part of m+

[urban skiff]

I think it's a dumb feature for fury and they need to nerf the talent so we don't feel bad about not taking it

[sand sundial]

Dracthyr is lacking audio files for rampage and raging blow btw

[urban skiff]

fuck me that's annoying

[sand sundial]

Same reason why arms is currently unplayable for me with the sweeping strikes bug

[slow solstice]

yeah except its prob one of the strongest takents in the tree so not possible

[urban skiff]

I got to level 35 or 38 on my KT Human frost dk and just realized how completely unplayable it was with bad sounds

[sand sundial]

The new obliterate animation is laggy asf as well

[urban skiff]

also obliterate and froststrike having same leap attack animation, also annoying me

Oh nice, I should be around rank 170 now as enh in eu

enh is cheating, every win jumps me up like 30-40 spots on the list

[sour crag]

I hate mages.

[fierce elm]

Use sound purely to acknowledge damage cooldowns

Also got a loud airhorn for Outlaw to remind me about rtb

[sour crag]

Should I even bother with mages as fury?

[urban skiff]

I used to play in a large orchestre for like 10+ years. So I guess my ears are tuned to picking up all kinds of shit without the airhorn weakauras

[sour crag]

All they do is teleporting left and right and trolling me

[fierce elm]

Depends

[sand sundial]

Kinda

[urban skiff]

Would it be beneficial for him to learn "hit closest to healer" for this?

or confuse him more?

[fierce elm]

Confuse him more

[urban skiff]

shame

[sand sundial]

It's in the next of learning to pvp because you need to track if the mage has blink etcm

[urban skiff]

I think it's relaxing and helps me zugzug in zenzen

[fierce elm]

Hit whatever you can hit if you cant hit a kill target is a golden rule

[sand sundial]

^

[fierce elm]

never stop dealing damage

[urban skiff]

If I'm slowed behind a pillar I'll hit a hunter pet just to hear stormstrike go off

[fierce elm]

Which is also beneficial for fury

some healin along with keeping enrage up

[urban skiff]

technically also good for arms, helps reset cooldowns

[sour crag]

Let me remind you again about my inability to keep track of things. I just wanna bonk bonk bonk as simple as possible.

The less I need to check numbers, the better.

[urban skiff]

m8 you're preaching to the dumbest rock in here

(me)

[sour crag]

Surely people have tunnelvisioned all the way to 2100 somehow?

without all the bazilion bars and trackers to juggle their eyes on while also trying to maintain momentum

[fierce elm]

Yes, by knowing how to bonk efficiently

You dont just stare at it, it just becomes a thing you look for

or glance at

You are bonking in a bad way and need to bonk in a good way

[urban skiff]

I think they're getting far via airhorn weakauras and focusing on a select few things to care about

[fierce elm]

by doing more damage

[urban skiff]

Like you don't have to care about all DRs, just stun DR, to get far.

[fierce elm]

You dont care for 85% of the shit happening

[urban skiff]

To get to the top you have to be able to lay the entire puzzle before opening the box.

But before that, it's ok to just focus on the corners and then the sides

[fierce elm]

If you are capable of walking and doing something else at the same time you are capable of processing information in WoW

[sour crag]

This is my progres so far.

[urban skiff]

That's a 40% winrate

I could only hope to go that high when i start playing an alt

[sour crag]

I've gained rating despite having below 3 rounds won. I am not hopeful.

[urban skiff]

And I have some base knowledge that applies across all dps specs at this point

[sour crag]

I know as soon I hit 1500, this will bite me so hard I may as well go back to 0

.-.

[urban skiff]

View MMR as a battery.

When you get wins but less than 3, you take from the MMR to still fill up your rating.

Going 3-3 your rating moves up (if less than your MMR, or down, if above your MMR).

It's literally impossible to go down to 0

[sour crag]

You lost me at "view" xD

[slow solstice]

why are you giving up so early

all you need to do

is queue

[urban skiff]

He's speed-running the pvp despair stage

give it 2 more weeks and he complaints that he's stuck at 2100 and I'm going to have to face some pretty grim demons when that happens

[sour crag]

Because I did the same as Arms and peaked at 1800 and got back to 1500 within a day. Made me lost all hope.

[urban skiff]

M8 if your rating can swing down by 300 then it can swing up by 300

[sour crag]

You have WAY too much hope for me there.

[slow solstice]

like when i first appeared

🙂

[urban skiff]

fuck yeah. Love you bro, but damn I hate you guys for being successful while I just want to chill at 1800 forever

[sour crag]

I'm also stressed out because I have no deadline when the season ends yet.

[urban skiff]

set date in calendar to 2nd week of feb

Expect it to end there, and keep up on news from 3rd week of jan and forward

[sour crag]

So 7 weeks..

[fierce elm]

if my phone wasnt at 9% I would use 50 words to describe you as a doomer

[urban skiff]

7 weeks is a lot when all it takes is a +300 streak twice starting from 1500 🙂

[slow solstice]

you have like 8 weeks to get 1950 for enchant

thats what you want right?

[urban skiff]

going from 1500 to 2100 is 26 rounds you have to win

you can literally get there in 5 lobbies from 1500 with a bit of luck and determination

[slow solstice]

yeah

often when you press bladestorm do you press stormbolt

on any target

that increases your chances to kill

[sour crag]

It is my minimum goal, yes. But I am so nooby that I have doubts about accomplishing it, even if everybody goes "Tsch, I can do that within a day np"

[slow solstice]

5x

[urban skiff]

oh i definitely cannot do that in a day. You can, however

🙂

[slow solstice]

i dont think i can get to my current rating in a day

[fierce elm]

Been like 4 people in total that said that

Personally I can do that, HOWEVER, we are not the same and the struggle is different for everyone

[sour crag]

Okay, it would honestly worry me if people go "it'll take months for you buddy."

[fierce elm]

Naa

[slow solstice]

it legit took me 1 week

of queuing every day

you can do it

just put in effort you will see results

[sour crag]

I got other shit to do than just queuing tho.

[fierce elm]

Yeah so does everyone else lmao

[sour crag]

How often do you even queue per day?

[slow solstice]

i think i was doing 1-3 hours at a time

[fierce elm]

Like once or twice per week personally outside holidays

for 1-3 hours at MOST

[slow solstice]

but i also havent played in like 1 month

maybe more

[sour crag]

What time of day usually?

[slow solstice]

look

last time i queued seriously was nov 20ish

[urban skiff]

@sour crag
For example, Afro's struggle is being bored out of his mind while playing low rated. My struggle is anxiety over queueing before and during the queue. Once I get inside it's all business but up till that point i'm a ball of fear.

[slow solstice]

i was queuing whenever i was bored and didnt want to push m+

i dont think worrying about that will get you any serious results

ig the only thing it would do is not play when tired

or not aware

but like

[sour crag]

I do have the queue anxiety... sometimes I even skip, because I am in the middle of killing a rare. I should prioritise the queue but fuck it..

[slow solstice]

i was queuing severely depressed malnourished at 3am or 8pm

makes no diff

just queue

ik it doesnt make it easier for me to just asy it

but if yuo dont do anything

nothing will happen

[sour crag]

Just queue despite I get 8/10 losses?

[urban skiff]

yes. Every loss is a lesson

[slow solstice]

if you are taking 1 new thing from each time you play

you will improve

[sour crag]

doesn't feel like a lesson to me..

[urban skiff]

This is a marathon, not a sprint. You'll get there but you have to put in the reps, you have to take all the steps

[slow solstice]

thats how learning is?

[urban skiff]

If my wife had any betablockers left, I'd try and take one with my ADD medication just to see how I'd play without anxiety and while in complete hyperfocus mode.

@slow solstice we're the same spot on the ladder for our specs, pretty wild coincidence

[slow solstice]

no one plays your creature

while everyone and their moms plays mine

!

[urban skiff]

tbh I expect mine to make a pretty big leap

in 1 h 32 minutes

[slow solstice]

what place would i be if i was 2175

432

holy

+300 if i didnt hit queue 2 weeks ago

[urban skiff]

432 yea

[slow solstice]

lets queue while i wait to pull ansurek

i cant wait to lose all my raiting

[urban skiff]

man if i were you i'd be really depressed about that and go play monster hunter rise and use a gunlance

🙂

[fierce elm]

I just focus up

idk

I also dont get queue anxiety

or sny sort of worries

[slow solstice]

me and leland were fighting behemoth

and i just turbo ran him down

[fierce elm]

I just queue if I feel like it

[slow solstice]

also trying to hit behemoth's head as cb is so miserable

[fierce elm]

worst case I lose some rating learning a spec I have never played

[slow solstice]

also ran him down in teos luna

yeah

[fierce elm]

whilst never worrying about not being able to hit 2k on it because thats a gimmie for me

[slow solstice]

i just queue up and ik ill win eventually

but if i do damage

someone will die

[fierce elm]

Spent 120 rounds to hit 1800 on rogue

[urban skiff]

I think it's because you have confidence that you're below what you could be. I don't know where my wall is, since I always stop at 1800 no matter what. Having to face that I'm not a 2900 player but actually an 1807 player is what gives me anxiety, i think

[slow solstice]

the only reason i knew i would climb

[fierce elm]

like 50-60 to hit 2k

[slow solstice]

is ik i how to do damage on warrior

[fierce elm]

I just say fuck it

[urban skiff]

i don't have a fuck it button for this part of the game

Going into m+ or mythic raiding I was a complete machine, but pvp is just different for me

[fierce elm]

lmao

I just full send w.e shit it is

worst case I eat shit or lose who cares

[slow solstice]

me pulling ansurek was legit me panicking the entire time

but ik i would get it

because it doesnt chanfge

i just have to play game

!

[urban skiff]

I got out of raiding partially because kids just kept waking up mid-raid or not falling asleep early enough, but also because I just started falling asleep during the raid

Somehow along the way, it just became numbing instead of exciting 😦

[fierce elm]

Raiding is the only thing I dont do

at least not organized

I cannot deal with someone being incapable of understanding basic mechanics

[wheat jay]

Real

Or healers that just don't heal

[fierce elm]

such as how to form a triangle

[sour crag]

My game of coping is Darktide.

Being a silly ogryn gunlugger

[urban skiff]

Ogryn is the goat

I tried to get into darktide but when I bought it I was still gaming with a 970 gtx and it was an experience

now I have a good pc but the game just feels, idk, dead?

[sour crag]

Just a shame ogryn sucks from damnation and up, seemingly. I dunno, I only just begun climbing that difficulty.

[urban skiff]

like people solved it and the mystery is gone and i missed out and I'm left with "gogogogo" groups that'll leave if I don't know every little meta nook and cranny

[sour crag]

Darktide is very much alive, the new patches did lots of good things to it.

[slow solstice]

wtf is darktide

[sour crag]

Vermintide but 40k

[slow solstice]

wtf is that

[urban skiff]

warhammer game, it's like left4dead or vermintide

[fickle forge]

Think we're at that point where we need to see a VoD to help you bro

[sour crag]

I ain't going to record myself.

[fickle forge]

You do you man

[urban skiff]

we should normalize streaming in this discord while people give advice

[fickle forge]

It's infinitely easier to help someone when you can see what they do

[urban skiff]

yup, but also as a social thing

but I'm also pretty sure we'd have the pve side losing their minds over it

[slow solstice]

it increases your rate of learning by prob 1000000000000000x

[sour crag]

I mean I -could- stream it, but I dont want to record because I dont have the diskspace for it.

[slow solstice]

you could record upload to yt

delete

[urban skiff]

record yourself, review the video in slowmotion. Identify 1-3 things you could have done differently each time. It's like the difference between training with rubberbands from TEMU and doing steroids with arnold

[sour crag]

Well I'm here now.

[urban skiff]

played 5 rounds, won 3

that's excellent

[slow solstice]

🙂

60% wr

you also dont have to look at yuor wr in total

can look in small intervals

[urban skiff]

you would have won that 4th as well when someone leaves like that

[fickle forge]

I mean he does since he wants to climb

[slow solstice]

i mean to not discourage

[fickle forge]

And if he has negative win rate at 1600 MMR, there's a long way to 1800

[urban skiff]

weekly stat is all that matters for climb. A positive win rate will always make the MMR grow faster than the CR

[fierce elm]

Not really

SS is extremely forgiving

some way to 1950 though

[urban skiff]

I haven't personally tested it, but my instinct tells me that it's extremely difficult to damage your MMR to the point where you cannot recover after

[fierce elm]

If my shitty ass outlaw can bring my MMR down to fuck all

and then climb

so can his warrior

[sour crag]

I've sitll no idea how MMR works and how much I should care about it.

[slow solstice]

just queue

[fierce elm]

It makes your rating gain go up or down

it affects how much you gain and how much you lose

you should however just queue

[sour crag]

I wouldn't mind more elaboration how it affects ratings. Like, how many losses I can afford before I regain wins, and so on

[fickle forge]

Yeah really

That's how the game works

[urban skiff]

MMR is your rating bank or potential rating. Every time you perform worse than a draw, you take some of it out. Every time you do better than a draw you put some extra rating away as MMR.

[fierce elm]

not with how volatile SS is

Keep in mind my dawg has already been 1800

and is now trying fury

[fickle forge]

Of course he can recover, but it requires him getting better

[fierce elm]

hurr durr

no way

[fickle forge]

1800 in blitz

Bro gave up arms and went fury for the 1800

[fierce elm]

he has been 1800 in SS

on arms

[sour crag]

I never been in blitz

Only SS

[fickle forge]

Okay but he can't now

[fierce elm]

He swapped fury to try it out

You are doing this thing again where you jump into a middle of the conversation and discussion without knowing everything

[fickle forge]

What are you talking about man

[sour crag]

Everyone kept telling me to switch to fury since its better than arms, and here I am.

[fickle forge]

I was there when he came and asked originally

[fierce elm]

He has been 1800 in SS on arms

[fickle forge]

My guy

Who cares

He wants 1800

[fierce elm]

We suggested he tried out fury

he is doing that

no he doesnt

he wants 1950

[sour crag]

I can speak for myself, thank you both.

[fierce elm]

HENCE, you dont know everything about this and is once AGAIN jumping in without knowing everything

[fickle forge]

You ain't real man

[fierce elm]

you aint real dane

[fickle forge]

Nah shut up dude

[fierce elm]

no u

[fickle forge]

You gon' talk this shit to me man

[fierce elm]

1v1 me rn rust

[sour crag]

Okay girls.

[fierce elm]

To clarify this, Karg and I play 3s together and have done that since SL

we just bully each other relentlessly

[sour crag]

You also derailed the heck out of this.

[fierce elm]

yep

because in the end it comes back to the same things that have already been said unfortunately

[sour crag]

Yeah yeah, keep queuing, but I can't learn if you dont teach me how the ratings work.

[fierce elm]

and nothing in writing can really clarify more things for you because its almost impossible to provide coaching like this

Rating gain is based on MMR, MMR is based on how much you win/lose

MMR is your Matchmaking rating, theoretically you should queue into similar MMR as your own

[sour crag]

And how do I know it matches my MMR?

[fierce elm]

If you play at higher MMR than your rating you gain more rating, if you play at lower or equal mmr you gain less rating

End screen

shows your MMR

and overall MMR of the lobby

taking Zerchers screenshot as an example

he was 1787 before this win, then won at a way higher MMR than his rating so he gained the max rating you can gain per win at that rating

If he was 1850mmr he would gain a lower amount of rating

[urban skiff]

also worth noting, rating gain is capped at 23 rating per round win after 1550(ish) rating

[fierce elm]

losing while at a high MMR compared to your rating also provides benefits to your rating if you happen to just go 1-5 sometimes

by lowering the amount of rating you lose

[sand sundial]

high mmr kinda empty

[slow solstice]

fuck i almost sent it

[urban skiff]

trying not to get too high

[fierce elm]

Which is also why, GENERALLY, you cant lose rating before the MMR has placed you accurately

usually a few games

TL:DR: It determines matchmaking and rating gain/loss

[green anchor]

How long are SS queues at around 1800?

[fierce elm]

Depends on spec, eu/na, what time

MMR is also lowered if you lose, and raised if you win

so yeah that is how MMR works

[green anchor]

as Arms I remember sitting in queues for an hour at 1800 in DF S2

[urban skiff]

as low as 5 minutes if you aren't playing a super popular spec

[fierce elm]

My queueing experience as fury was at 2.2mmr so cant really say

but mine was 35 minutes lmao

[green anchor]

actually I don't remember which seasons it was lol

[fierce elm]

while I was trying to grab elite set

[green anchor]

the one that got you the Saber mount

[fierce elm]

I think Zercher had about 8-10 minutes

at like 1950 mmr

[urban skiff]

my queue wasn't bad even on arms

[fickle forge]

Normal hit??

[urban skiff]

it is 22.40 and I'm about to bake a brownie

because wife wants chocolate and that's all I can do with what we have

[fickle forge]

I cannot believe we're living in an era where Execute and OP hits for the same on average