pvp

[fierce elm]

I dont mind public transportation

headphones in, vibe to music

[wheat jay]

Probably taxi and you were silent whole time

[fierce elm]

The only time I would need it was when I would go to the mountain

but I never go alone anyways lmao

So we would regardless go together and I always paid for food or similar

[lavish quest]

Afro goes through Detroit when?

[fierce elm]

Shits a simple life

But I finished it last wednesday so got it now

[wheat jay]

First crash when?

[fierce elm]

Never lmao

I dont have a car yet KEK

[lavish quest]

You brokie

[fierce elm]

Dont need a car yet

I am a ”do stuff when I need it” type of guy

[lavish quest]

Alright, you got a place?

Or you didn't need a place yet?

[fierce elm]

Renting currently, have money for a house but gonna finish studying+get a job before investing

Cant a man just live his LIFE

[lavish quest]

Alright, you above Artji

GGs

[fierce elm]

I am straight VIBING

[lavish quest]

Well I got a condo, a car, and am hella vibin

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/743099296580370492.gif?quality=lossless&name=CatjamR&size=48

[wheat jay]

Im just chilling at new work

[fierce elm]

Now just gotta finish school, get a job, buy a car, buy a house, then slam out a few kids

[lavish quest]

But slam sucks

[fierce elm]

Fury execute*

[wheat jay]

Afro you can't execute kids

And you're a rogue now

[fierce elm]

Dispatch*

[lavish quest]

Rogues can't have kids

[wheat jay]

Go do some blind cheap shot backstab in rhe alley

[lavish quest]

Might as well hit em with the diddy

Rogue... smh

[wheat jay]

This is what you are now Afro

Diddy rogue

[green wharf]

i cant

i would not let me have a car, national danger

[rancid granite]

slam meta getting out of control now

[floral widget]

i luv it

where u get dat

[rancid granite]

someone on here posted it a while back lol

[floral widget]

when dat 11.0.7 arrives

any expected data?

[rancid granite]

🤷

[floral widget]

but its soon as our think

or it ill already take a couple weeks

[fierce elm]

Probably Late Jan/Early Feb

wouldnt expect it earlier than that

[floral widget]

nice

[green wharf]

hopefully 11.0.7 never comes

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

[floral widget]

nah should come

the buffs on fury r rlly nice

i jus dont wanna lost all my conqueror lmaoo

[lavish quest]

11.0.7 already here ain't it? That's the siren isle thing

[slow solstice]

yarp

[boreal veldt]

speaking of there was a thane warrior running the new ring in shuf earlier

and you won't believe it

he went 0-6

⁽²¹⁰⁰ ˡᵒᵇᵇʸ ᵇᵗʷ⁾

[hasty pulsar]

Are people running that ring

Don’t you lose a lot of stats

[green wharf]

maybe he was trying to create the new meta

let him cook

[hasty pulsar]

Some frost mage on twitch claimed the ring did 17% of his damage

[boreal veldt]

there was a few days ago, but it did get hotfixed

[hasty pulsar]

It was some random dude in twitch chat so yeah don’t know when their claim occurred

[boreal veldt]

it's good to grab for alts without honor gear i think

but thats it

[fallen solar]

Next Monday we start Diarrhea Awareness Week.
Runs until Friday.

[green wharf]

glad i have good constitution on that part

harder to get drunk, harder to get the shits

[torn sigil]

It's mostly casters I've seen where it does noticeable dmg

But arms can't afford the - vers

[exotic forge]

Merry Christmas everyone

[sharp meteor]

🎄

[green wharf]

[boreal veldt]

🎄

[chilly magnet]

People hate prot pvp.

No respect at all.

[boreal veldt]

not very xmas of people

[sharp meteor]

1. mmr binned beyond comprehension

2. you actually lost

MMR and match outcome only thing that matters.

Also post screenie. If it's your first win off a massive losing streak or you played with lower mmr healer you might get no pointos.

1. losing streak

2. smaller duo

3. tank and no other close tanks

is what happens 99% of the time

well, last one is just being EXTREMELY high and playing at an oddball hour

like if you're 2900 middle of the day and it puts you into a 2600 game

Yeah so even if no cr you got mmr

fixing mmr means you get more cr in future

ye used to be it didnt show mmr so it wasnt rly clear that you really gained from it

[green wharf]

if you are in a losing streak, your mmv will decrease, if it doesnt match your mmr, it doesnt increase until you surpass it again

[sharp meteor]

ya mmr more volatile than cr and it can kind of soften gains or losses

if u win 10 in a row then that first loss is w/e

if u lose 10 in a row that eventual win wont give much

and streaking down in blitz is rly bad

[green wharf]

and if you get a disconnect you are fucked

[sharp meteor]

wanna know something demonic

so my duo got dc'd using rescue as he got ringed by a monk

shortly after that it also kicked me and gave me deserter

[green wharf]

yeah, pvp is a big bug

[lavish quest]

That's what you get for trying to have friends

[urban skiff]

Massive nerf incoming if they don't fix something. Shifting damage into builders but not buffing builders is weird.

[green wharf]

its offically joever

i didnt even start to craft my shammy pvp itens

[urban skiff]

Not anywhere near. We gonna melt people with new changes

[green wharf]

save me some money i guess

[urban skiff]

Just want to stick with my current build and buffing builders for that would have made me a pure monster

[green wharf]

but, look at the good side, maybe we can rock 2H

[urban skiff]

It's a slim hope, but it's possible. Ptr data supports the removal of 1h tag on stormstrike

But i wouldn't invest conq points into doing it in s2. They're going to break it even if its worse.

If we aren't ment to execute CEOs, why are they called executives??

[green wharf]

doing some questin/delves/random bgs is enough for the itch

if shammy was 2h i would main it

[urban skiff]

I'll try it on ptr as soon as it opens and report back.

[wheat jay]

I'd play 2h shammy too ngl

[floral widget]

is dat a shammy a nerf?

[green wharf]

For luck

[urban skiff]

Only way to can contain the awesomeness that is 2h enh

But i haven't had time to properly test and do math to see where we land. I thi i they intend for it to be a net neutral change in current tier and where we end up in s2 depends on stuff i cannot predict right now

[floral widget]

since the updates for the 11.1 at warrior was posted, i think we got to go on a good way, those was nicely changes by what i see

[urban skiff]

We get a free talent point from the upper tier, sort of. Basically we can always run troar and spear now. It's ok

[floral widget]

which classes do yall think that deserves some nerfs on pvp?

[floral widget]

fr fr

[floral widget]

i mean

pally espefically is too much over

the range is bizarre

[fierce elm]

BM, Ele, Hpala, Outlaw probably

[green wharf]

Mage and evokers

[urban skiff]

Enh shaman. We're beasts and people don't even notice

[fierce elm]

Yall already catching nerfs

kek

[urban skiff]

How do u bookmark this for the future when we get even better?

[fierce elm]

you dont

I am always correct

[urban skiff]

Except when you're not.

Don't make me go Veteran vitality on your ass

[spare leaf]

Hey folks, can anyone help me decide between Arms and Fury for Arenas/SS? People everywhere say it's about the same, but I keep seeing mainly Arms when i join on other characters so there must be a reason right?

[urban skiff]

You'll do best with whichever you enjoy more. They're about equal, fury slightly ahead, but people generally don't have equal skill in arms or fury, and in the end, you have to enjoy the journey.

[spare leaf]

Okay thanks! So it's pretty much just playstyle, and probably better if i'm used to Fury from PVE and other expansions I assume?

[floral widget]

which stance yall use the most

always used berserker but since the fury survival became so squishy i thinkin bout change to defensive

[floral widget]

yessir

[rancid granite]

bind stance dance key and swap all game when ya need then

[slow solstice]

^

why do -10% the entire game

asking to lose

[urban skiff]

Whenever they train me relentlessly i'm in dstance. When i'm using offensive cooldowns, close to a kill, or they're sitting in cc then i don't.

[sharp meteor]

its kind of a "am i winning now" type of thing

me safely afking in dstance cos we win in 30 seconds

or me sitting dstance cos i dont have buttons

glad its kind of useful now

even if fury still rando dies

[floral widget]

huhh

Nice one

the cd doesnt exist

and i can do it between the fight

[floral widget]

get it

[floral widget]

fr fr

[exotic forge]

Any form of cc I get I try to swap to dstance; roots, disarm, etc. Or if I'm waddling my way to my targets cuz all the slows

[urban skiff]

While not the same, man do rogues lose their shit when i ghost wolf right before their kidney shot go.

[exotic forge]

Fuck em

[slow solstice]

explain

i dont understand

[urban skiff]

Ghost wolf talent that reduces damage taken by 5%, stacks to 4, one per second.

[slow solstice]

oh

[urban skiff]

It's almost a bear form if you get it off before a go you'll be sitting in cc

[slow solstice]

i thought some pvp talent

i never see shamans sit in

prob bc they refuse to spam buttons

[fierce elm]

Its a basic talent

[urban skiff]

Most seem to prefer the alternative talent. It makes you break slows with ghost wolf

Or is it roots? Idk

[fierce elm]

You rarely get the stacks up to where its effective anyways

at 20%

so its a 5% DR basically at the start

The slow one is better in most cases

from what I understand at least

Also easier to use by far lmao

[slow solstice]

i mean in pve*

[fickle forge]

You're never in wolf as sham

[exotic forge]

Can't you shift while stunned anyways?

For the record I don't play sham in pvp (but I want to)

[wheat jay]

no

[floral widget]

lmao thats insane

[boreal veldt]

just used priest grip to save a mage from spear twice in a game...

what have i become

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-upset-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-19823085

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/okoye-infinity-war-judging-you-black-panther-gif-12619694

[urban skiff]

It's 1 stack per second. Basically full effect before KS ends as you start eating cheap shots

[fierce elm]

Just gotta get that prediction

[urban skiff]

Lol, will KS get ready in the next global? Press wolf

[sour crag]

Whoever at Blizz thought that making Skirmish Arenas a weekly meta quest should be punted.

[rancid granite]

save the punts for whoever made the BFA sledding world quests

[sour crag]

at least that one is fairly quick to finish

Not forcing you to win 10 matches <.<

[rancid granite]

arena skirms have like 1min q time

[sour crag]

I don't even how how to survive 2s Skirmish as fury xD

[boreal veldt]

i love skirms sometimes

sweatiest matches and no one is doing any dps lmfao

[urban skiff]

Why? Skirmish is hella fun

[lavish quest]

One week a skirmish quest let normal arenas count. Miss those times

[sour crag]

I wish the Preserve Arena quest counted in Solo Shuffle too

[wheat jay]

Normal arenas count towards it iirc

Not 100% sure

[rancid granite]

non-rated skirmish a fun relaxing change of pace

i should try out thane in it

[chilly pivot]

how is fury afther big patch in pvp u think?

[fierce elm]

Anyones guess

Throw a dice and trust it

[chilly pivot]

feels good with the infop

[fierce elm]

Then go with that, until we see any sort of PTR and end of tuning before patch releases we are in the blind

[wheat jay]

Do you mean 11.1?

[hot solstice]

I hate when they just completely change some talents for warrior...basically saying no rework for u guys

[floral widget]

i like dat

[wheat jay]

Thats small rework tho

[floral widget]

more stamina

but we lost a talent that reduces the slow movement

idk what think bout it

[rancid granite]

a month is a long time for changes to happen its ok

itll be cool though

[verbal tangle]

You don't know the first rule of brown class

[hot solstice]

rules meant for weak

[wheat jay]

Well, as long as its meta you dont need reworks xD

Fury is one of the better designed specs in the game

And is crazy strong rn

[rancid granite]

Rule 1: whine
Rule 2: bonk heads

[verbal tangle]

Nah, Rule 1 is Fuck Brown Class

Because Blizzard hates us

[rancid granite]

yeah i literally just said that

rule 1: whine

then bonk heads anyway

[wheat jay]

How

[exotic forge]

Frost Mages exist

Mages exist, even

But yes, whine and eventually you'll be heard

[hot solstice]

...

[rancid granite]

na rule 2 just bonk heads anyway

whining is just a battle cry

:D

[hot solstice]

the problem with warrior is its too much teammates dependant

[rancid granite]

[hot solstice]

its difference between killing ppl or runnin like a dog whole game

ret gives freedom and u cant hit 2 targets for freedom duration if they r smart

ofc

[exotic forge]

Warrior has always been a team player I reckon

[hot solstice]

for 1500 warrior seems op

[exotic forge]

Arms more so than fury

[hot solstice]

but play on some real mmr and u see everyone knows how to play around it

[fickle forge]

Problem with warrior is its players think it's weaker than it is

Buff Hamstring btw

[rancid granite]

lmao leveling monk felt so bm when i saw their skills

hamstring, same icon, refreshes and roots or whatever

disarm, same icon, usable from range

[hot solstice]

thing is that root used to be in warrior toolkit

cba some 1 min spear would have been so nice

at least for 4 sec

[exotic forge]

Goes through parry and dodge btw

So it's a better disarm

[rancid granite]

crazy

[exotic forge]

Charged used to stun in its own dr, then root and slow the target for a few seconds, now it just roots

Hamstring was off gcd (or had a very short gcd), would root the target if used twice

Piercing Howl had no cd

[exotic forge]

Btw if you're disarmed you can't parry so that makes dbts useless

[rancid granite]

rofl

at least im 80 now i just gotta learn to play ww

[wheat jay]

How dare you bring reason into this conversation

Warr is negative d tier

[hot solstice]

guess map

[exotic forge]

What nasty lineup

[boreal veldt]

maybe your healer will use grip to help keep you on the target

[hot solstice]

dunno if u trollin my uptime complain

[boreal veldt]

no just map and locks going up and down

[hot solstice]

would have been 1-5 if it was 2 hpalas

75% nerfed?

[rancid granite]

wth bugged still maybe?

[boreal veldt]

ayyy

[elfin surge]

@sharp meteor why are high blitz qs only at 6am

[sharp meteor]

idk it sucks man

q up earlier get scruffed down into 2700 wasteland

win game get 30 mmr lose game drop 150 mmr

[rancid granite]

i went from 2300->1900 in ss in those 6am q's

😭

[fierce elm]

destroyed

[sterile moth]

Damn that’s brutal

[hasty pulsar]

Just keep goin you will be back where you were soon enough. Just do not give up

[vapid tartan]

that’s when all the mages come out

[daring hollow]

So last time I played arms in pvp was S3, And I remember the rotation being Mortal strike overpower Thunderclap? what happened to that? is that not a build anymore because it was based on the tierset?

[boreal veldt]

i mean we do still ms on cd usually, but rotation and build changes between colossus and slayer

[daring hollow]

Is there no build like season 3 dragonflight anymore :C that was so fun NGL

[fierce elm]

The build practically remains the same

Hit Thunderclap to apply rend, MS > OP

[daring hollow]

okay, every video I'm just watching is like not taking thunderclap so I was really like sad

[fierce elm]

There are some that run raw Rend but overall most people are taking Thunderclap for ease of use

Along with cleaving opportunity

[daring hollow]

Uh sorry IDK that one

[fierce elm]

Raw rend is just applying rend through hitting rend, which is harder to keep up on cleave matchups

Thunderclap does it automatically for you due to applying rend to 5 nearby targets

It also applies a slow

[daring hollow]

oh

I am big dumb I was looking for a talent

cleaving opportunity

[fierce elm]

oh lmao

[boreal veldt]

lmao

[fierce elm]

it does kind of sound like a talent tbf

[daring hollow]

I'm like typing it in the search bar and not finding it and then looking at things related to sweeping strikes

[boreal veldt]

better name for storm of swords

[fierce elm]

The only difference in Colossus and Slayer is obviously Colossus being less useful and also needs set up

Slayer just sends damage

[daring hollow]

Well slayer is bladestorm and bladestorm is life

[boreal veldt]

I'll show you less useful

[fierce elm]

: )

[boreal veldt]

❤️

[fierce elm]

But yeah, I cant imagine playing arms without the thunderclap talent

its just better in every way over regular rend

And its not like you need the thunderclap talent point for anything else either tbh

[daring hollow]

so since its been a bit since I last played how is rage generation

[fierce elm]

Decent

[daring hollow]

Ik they changed it along with the anger management

[fierce elm]

its a whole lot less than what it was in DF s3

but its decent

[daring hollow]

RIIIP

[fierce elm]

If you are a die-hard Arms player you are in for a less than fun ride, not to discourage or anything

It has very exploitable weaknesses that are easy to implement

[daring hollow]

I usually just go for the 1800 armors late into the season

[fierce elm]

Yeah then you are absolutely fine

[daring hollow]

I mean My main hasn't even really started pvp. I might get elite but whats the point on a pres evoker when you cant do anything with the tmog

[fierce elm]

to have swagger when you stand around doing nothing in Dornogal

[daring hollow]

On my shoulders and belt? lol

[fierce elm]

: )

[daring hollow]

the chest piece for elite this tier on warrior is fire

[fierce elm]

The Non-elite set is crazy if you have Keystone Hero

due to getting the Mythic/Elite set effects on it

[daring hollow]

I just swapped to my evoker what does that look like

[fierce elm]

If you have KSH you can view it on every spec and class

I reckon you can see it on shoulders on evoker but I don't play evoker

The warrior one just has the Lightning effects on shoulders+helmet

[boreal veldt]

it's cute

[daring hollow]

Idk I think that yellow is a better color

[fierce elm]

That is fair

But the red+lightning+fury PvP artifact weapons + valarjar stormwing is a match made in heaven

Straight out of Stormheim looking ass

[green wharf]

tbh i think the set is kinda ass

i like the new one more

[fierce elm]

Thats the great thing about taste, you are allowed to think so

[daring hollow]

I didnt play legion

[fierce elm]

I like both sets

[green wharf]

yeah

all subjective

[daring hollow]

I started Sland

[fierce elm]

But I have seen people hate the new set too

Personally love it and I love the random ass colorways

I really love the Aspirant set being patch-themed while the conq/elite set is class themed

Cant wait for that Goblin themed set

[daring hollow]

I like that one

reminds me of pacific rim

https://tenor.com/view/pacific-rim-uprising-gif-pacific-rim-robot-ready-gif-17948783

[fierce elm]

Elite next season actually got me wondering how many specs I can get to 1800 before I want to die irl

[daring hollow]

no difference

[fierce elm]

Warr, Pala, Rogue, Monk, DH all lookin great

[boreal veldt]

i love the design, but a lot of the colors are bland :<

[fierce elm]

DK one is also fucking sick

That is fair

The red one is pretty vibrant but the others are more muted

[boreal veldt]

right?

[fierce elm]

Especially for Goblin stuff

Oh wait nevermind more colors has been shown

I retract mystatement

there is one 'boring' colorway

two even

Now you can look like the most easily targetabble character in a blitz

But this is fucking amazing

[boreal veldt]

i cant believe thats the leveling set, its actually fire

questing set*

[fierce elm]

The set designers are just on fire this expansion

The Arathi sets, T2, some class sets

They are just releasing banger after banger tbh

The World sets/leveling/aspirant usually sucks mad dick

[boreal veldt]

they're just moggin the raid set designers now

i cant wait to mix and match all the colors to go full clown garb

[daring hollow]

The arathi sets are soooo good

I love it on my war

"look at me, i'm the real paladin now"

[urban skiff]

You only need one per class

[fierce elm]

Classes sorry

[urban skiff]

This was made by Warhammer space marine fans

[jovial torrent]

im going to have to level every goddamn character and grind gear on them

paladin and shaman biggest losers again imo

[fierce elm]

Cant wait to juggle 7 characters next season

Paladin set is great

due to having great colors

[urban skiff]

I need to get home so i can get started on my feral and rogue

[jovial torrent]

what are those goblin sets from?

[fierce elm]

Very easily mix and matched with everything that exists

Aspirant/World/Delves/Leveling

And Bloody tokens

[jovial torrent]

this better be the pvp set and not the mythic recolour

[fierce elm]

I do feel bad for Taurents/Belfs having to rock Lion shoulders

Thats HC recolor

Its looking like

PvP colorways

[jovial torrent]

mnnn not sure how i feel about that

i like the top one more than the bottom and i bet thats the non elite

[fierce elm]

Yeah probably

Going to get both anyways so its w.e which colorway is which

[jovial torrent]

what were those 2 goblin ones posted earlier btw, pve quest area sets?

[fierce elm]

one of these

[jovial torrent]

ah nice, my guess is reds guna be bloody tokens

[fierce elm]

There are 6 colorways that have been shown so far

[jovial torrent]

tokens also reset dont they

[fierce elm]

No idea, I hope everything but honor is being reset but thats me

I reckon Bloody Tokens have the same sort of idea as Conq

being reset

[jovial torrent]

i still need to grab some sets from this season, but been playing PoE 2 and got monster hunter not long from now

[fierce elm]

I finished warrior so am done now

just leveling my Shaman for now

Sort of need to level Monk aswell

[jovial torrent]

i need to level my dk and druid, i like the dh set but i dont really ever see myself playing a dh

[green wharf]

i got the hunter, warlock and warrior set, didnt try to get others, cause they look bad imo

the DK one look weird cause my dk have a beard and it look awful with the helmet

[fierce elm]

Paladin, Warr, Rogue

Only did Rogue because I was tryna learn Outlaw anyways

its a pretty ass set

Paladin is my main so did that too kek

[jovial torrent]

i got warrior paladin monk mage, i kind of want the rogue one but i think the non elite colour is better, i want to get priest/lock one but just the thought of gearing is putting me off

[boreal veldt]

waaaagh

[urban skiff]

Druid set looks goat

[green wharf]

i dont like druids

[urban skiff]

But the set looks great!

[green wharf]

i cant force me to do classes i dont like/dont feel good playing

and i have to craft embalishment shit

zero patience

[jovial torrent]

i kind of prefer season 1 druid set

this set just looks like a copy of a hunter set

[green wharf]

maaybe i try to get shaman/dk before seson end

cause deathbringer got some buffs

[jovial torrent]

i feel like getting 1800 on priest lock is guna be a ball ache since il be in mostly honor gear and just trained into the ground

[fierce elm]

I just dont craft embellishment stuff lmao

Unless being forced to do 3s

Huge cba vibes

[boreal veldt]

fun embellishment or bust

viva la goblin land mines

[green wharf]

i would not, but i have OCD

[urban skiff]

Just queue rdru for free 2400 shuffle

[urban skiff]

Same now. I don't even craft at all. Vers gear better for mid range ratings anyways

[green wharf]

wat

[urban skiff]

Rdru is the new hpal

Friendship bracelet with the kiddos

[floral widget]

lolll

[modest bane]

Why hunters bm and unholy must be so stupid op but they cry that they aren't?

[green wharf]

im not so hot on acronyms bub

[urban skiff]

Resto druid is the new Holy paladin

[green wharf]

playing healer in pvp ykes

[urban skiff]

I'm gonna play hpal. Nothing more chad than administrering mercy regardless of who wants it

Wow needs 1h crossbows and for paladins to have access to crossbows.

One step closer to boltguns.

[green wharf]

healing is the wamen's role

[modest bane]

The worst is playing tank in pvp

Is annoying and unfun

To play against

[urban skiff]

What. How?

Medicine is like ultra male job. For thousands of years women haven't been able to practice medicine at all except as nurses (started during war periods, when they ran out of men)

Healing is ultra man job

[urban skiff]

Play tank as dps. As long as taunt isn't a mechanic there aren't tanks in pvp. There are just half support dps

[green wharf]

its just the meme

its a "facT' they like to play more support

[green wharf]

and its fun as hell to play as

Thane prot is a killing machine

[modest bane]

To play ok but to fight ? Is

Nah

And I started doing again a bit of pvp but I remembered why I stop pretty much

Because is world of stuncraft

😔 😟

[floral widget]

i crafted the ring and the off hand

the embellishment looks good

using them on everywhere

[urban skiff]

My wife plays ret and rogue. She wants to murder

[green wharf]

based

[floral widget]

yall aint using the craft itens for pvp?

i mean its only two at all if u use the embellishments

[urban skiff]

Eh, if i want to absolutely maximize, sure.

For the most part no

[green wharf]

honestly i craft a lot of gear cause all my conq gear was mastery for fury

and i wanted haste for prot

plus focusing lens

[urban skiff]

My new tactic is to embellish the smallest lowest-vers pieces. So i keep as much vers as possible

[green wharf]

yeah, ->ring, brancers, neck, back

are my options

lt me go to the new island after not even finishing the actual campaign

[floral widget]

wdym for the most part? your alts?

[floral widget]

yeah fr

doin the same

[green wharf]

why cant flly in this new dumb island yet

[urban skiff]

Ring and neck, absolutely not. My biggest source of vers per slot. Bracer and cloak or if waist or feet doesn't have a mastery or haste option i go with that.

[urban skiff]

Yeah, i got 2 warriors, enh, feral, rogue, hpal

[green wharf]

if i want haste, i need the double hate+verst ring

[urban skiff]

Only for prot war. Everything else has a good third stat. Like fury going all mastery with haste in non mast slots

I guess feral too

And rogue

[floral widget]

damn thats too much for me

insane

but i like the idea to have a enh

must be fun play wit it

btw how yall fellin bout the endurace training talent removed?

[urban skiff]

Not removed. It's wrapped into a talent you always pick.

[floral widget]

jus the stamina buff aint it?

not the reduce of sap and others

[verbal tangle]

Yeah they removed the best part of the node

[urban skiff]

You already have that baked into dps stance

[urban skiff]

The talent just provides the inverse effect for the other spec

[urban skiff]

The slow reduction effect is basically nothing, the reduction to fear sap incap is unlikely to be felt, but possible in rare scenarios

[green wharf]

not if you are arms

[urban skiff]

Battle stance and berserker stance both have a reduction effect.

[green wharf]

battle stance dont hve the sap reduction

[urban skiff]

No it has movement speed reduction. The talent provides the one from the stance you don't have. Incap reduction is so unlikely to matter, idk how to even put it into words

[green wharf]

so the spec basically lost what we had before

[sour crag]

What dominates on BGs nowadays, Arms or Fury?

[floral widget]

fury

no doubt

[sour crag]

Rush into the fray and hope you got a healer backing you up as you bonk stuff?

[green wharf]

Fury is not that dependant of a healer compared to arms

better self healing that can keep you up

[sour crag]

I dunno... I feel much more squishy without dancing swords

[knotty oasis]

what does it mean to wall

[elfin surge]

Use major defensive cd that provides damage reduction

[elfin surge]

Death wish fury

[knotty oasis]

what dofury haev for wall

besides enraged regeneration i guess

[elfin surge]

Enraged Regen is your wall

if healer says wall thats what you use

[knotty oasis]

kkk ty

are shield block macros still aa thing

[elfin surge]

weapon swapping isnt a thing anymore

if thats what ur asking

[knotty oasis]

yea it is

[wheat jay]

oh my god

mud doing his work for once

hey muddie

what's up?

[elfin surge]

I'm playing again

[wheat jay]

wtf

going for quick glad?

[elfin surge]

Just playing blitz rn

[wheat jay]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-respect-it-mariel-semonte-orr-trouble-selfish-no-respect-gif-17996953

[elfin surge]

lmao i'll start playing arena again soon

[wheat jay]

At least you didnt reroll rogue like afro

Animal behaviour

[vapid tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/abebaldeagle-eth-america-patriot-patriotic-gif-5238720960691375449

[urban skiff]

Losing nothing of importance is losing nothing.

[fierce elm]

chad

[green wharf]

you would not say that if you lost one nut

[urban skiff]

I literally have lost a nut, to cancer. That's completely i consequential too

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

gay

[elfin surge]

Death wish fury xddd

[slow solstice]

they just dont look at you

or

[fierce elm]

24 rating HOLY SHIT GAINS

[elfin surge]

this grind tho

[restive matrix]

Which Build are you guys running for Fury Battlegrounds?

Where can I get some good information?

[green wharf]

murlock.io

search for mode and you see the hot builds

[sage drum]

Fury Slayer or thane which is better for soloq?

[patent forum]

slayer if youre gona get kited/rooted

thane otherwise

[limber relic]

will you hit both dps?>thane
Will you not?>slayer

[rancid granite]

you guys play games with 2 melee in them?

[green wharf]

only time 2 melee happens is when blizz put another DK or warrior with me

and we get rekt by 2 mages or 1 mage and evoker

but i preffer thane, cause you can hit the healer and cleave the damage to the dps if he is melee

[floral widget]

i like see an warrior between so many over classes

i mean the whole team basically pick monk rogue or lock

[exotic forge]

We are the Chad class

[sharp meteor]

grats on almost being rival big dawg

[elfin surge]

thanks man never thought id get so far

[sharp meteor]

staying up all night to earn 20 cr a game

[elfin surge]

ya very next game it put me in a 2950 lobby which I lost

-300mmr

[sharp meteor]

shuff its like if ur 2600 in a 1900 game and go 6-0 u get like 100 cr

[sharp meteor]

ya

just get your legs cut off insta

[elfin surge]

theres no way mmr moves that much right

[sharp meteor]

it do initially

[elfin surge]

is it cuz im 1700

[sharp meteor]

when ur more malleable

ye

the other day i queued into a 1500 male elf dk at like 3050

and yesterday he was down at 2100

[elfin surge]

lmfao

[sharp meteor]

idk if u played at launch but u got 0 mmr changes for ur first 25 games

[elfin surge]

this bracket is funny sometimes

[sharp meteor]

and they kneejerked that too hard

cos u get like 800 cr players in 2900 games

[elfin surge]

the players in it are something different than arena

[sharp meteor]

who are legit just bots

hunter assumed to sit frr

they say they go frr

then run mid

"oops forgot"

-down 200 points for no reason-

[elfin surge]

all I can do is go team fight

top damage

spin flag

rest is up to my team

[sharp meteor]

ya thats how warr feels

glorified hunter pet

dude sitting lighthouse loses it 1v1 in 14 seconds no calls

like what u want me to do man

[elfin surge]

death wish in this bracket lowkey fun

[sharp meteor]

o ye

[limber relic]

Me spinning flag
A random enemy ret appears
Cast glare
Healer next to me
No dispel
Ret caps flag

[sharp meteor]

if u get an angle on it

u come in and clean up

insta

[elfin surge]

I can solo kill healers

shits gooood

[sharp meteor]

just walk in and 2-shot 3 people

blitz feels like hots tho u just go mad cos nobody knows where to stand

[elfin surge]

Emily got war diffed

[sharp meteor]

1 mw followers around the disc cos she doesnt know where to go

team has to split cos objs but healers togetger

auto lsoe off that

[elfin surge]

i hate when people walk top on mines

instead of counting numbers and watching where the enemy is and helping mid

[sharp meteor]

open map our warlocks both went top

go next

[elfin surge]

[sharp meteor]

whewie

[verbal tangle]

What spec?

[elfin surge]

4 warriors

only 1 champion

[limber relic]

fury

[limber relic]

#1

[green wharf]

i bet the ally war was arms

with that many deaths

[limber relic]

only "lisalost" was arms

[exotic forge]

Give him credit, he was #2 on damage

[fluid harbor]

1st loser

[green wharf]

i foking new it mate

[limber relic]

arms bleed is kinda pog tho

[green wharf]

its cringe

[boreal veldt]

bleed is bad and even on colossus it's only ok

great for padding though

[red igloo]

pve > pvp

[verbal tangle]

Cope

Mald

Seethe

[boreal veldt]

[red igloo]

i knew he was gonna get baited

its so easy

[north thicket]

Is someone already playing with the proc circlet? https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/circes-circlet-or-whatever-its-called-isnt-nerfed-in-pvp/2034250

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Oh no devs forgot about pvp

Who could have expected

[rapid shore]

we even have ptr for testing etc..

[wheat jay]

Ye but pvp is not even a game mode at this point

Minigame at best xD

[floral widget]

lolllll

shit must been smashin

[rancid granite]

do we got #s on the playerbase anywhere

would be neat to see % of pvpers, % of m+, % of people who just level and fart around, % of people who only raid etc

[wheat jay]

I once did some math

Cuz there was a number of r1 spots, and number of +10 keys timed per character

And keys overall

And pvp was outnumbered like 100:1 or sth

[twin sinew]

With mountain thane, how often should we be pressing bloodthirst?

[wheat jay]

I don't remember exactly

@rancid granite big problem is that wow pvp is TERRIBLE to enter

Amount of time, knowledge, gear, etc is disgusting

[rancid granite]

swear i saw a glimpse of a post like 'venrukii said ~5% of the playerbase is pvp' which is neither a good or bad thing imo given how big the game is and how much there is to it

but yeah it's definitely an investment

before i regged for tww again i had to just be ok accepting the big entry lol

i mean even LoL in a way is same thing; but it feels better learning i guess

[wheat jay]

Not 5%

Unless he counts everyone doing at least one random bg a year

[wheat jay]

Ye but in lol you can see what is going on

In wow you can't

[rancid granite]

yeah such a range of %'s to count

[wheat jay]

Someone pops a macro, youre in a shadow duel, suddenly you die 100-0

[rancid granite]

i assume rated pvp would be less than general pvp players

[wheat jay]

And you're left wondering what happened

[rancid granite]

lmao

i still do that

[wheat jay]

Rated pvp would be like 0.5% of wow players

Or less

[rancid granite]

As of March 25, 2024, World of Warcraft (WoW) has 7.25 million active players.

.5% is 35k

thats a lot still

[wheat jay]

Found my math

At that moment it was 2.1mil characters that did +10 key

And 52k overall 3s players

And 140k overall shuffle players, at every rating

It was like one month into the expansion or something

So +10 was actually top end of m+

That was some time ago of course

[rancid granite]

still a lot of players! but might explain the lack of focus from devs

[wheat jay]

Is it?

Considering its people who played at least one game

Plenty stopped at 1600 to get token for pve, even more stopped at 1800 after elite set

Tryhards went for 1950 for illusion, some went for 2100 for weapons, and barely anyone is playing for gladiator

Or elite

Less than 1500 people above 2400 in 3s across both NA and EU

Around 4000 in shuffle

[rancid granite]

still a lot

[wheat jay]

Whole 64 in 2s xD

[rancid granite]

i've played plenty competitive games where there was much less than that =p

lol

[wheat jay]

Thats characters of course, plenty of people have numerous alts

1st, 2nd, and 4th bm hunters are one person

You can cut enhs above 2400 by half too

Feral too

And basically every class too xD

[rancid granite]

i dont even know who he is and i hate him completely

[wheat jay]

I don't know either, point is, top of the ladder you can cut in half

In all brackets

[copper fox]

3s qs are solid on NA @ 2.1 - 2.4

Longest ive sat is like 4 minutes @ horrible q times

Idc about participation %s because qs pop

So

[wheat jay]

Participation means inflation

And attention from devs lol

[lavish quest]

If only they inflated like Biden

[limber relic]

3s is aids on eu

Thundercleave 50% of the time

Other 50% affli rogue hpala

[north thicket]

Some quick Thane testing on the 3 pvp dummies, probably not an optimal rotation but it never is in reality

Unsure if it's worth the massive stat sacrifice (vers!)

However

Prot might be actually cool with this ring, some nice magic dmg

[steep stirrup]

The Leviathan Charm can put out a lot of damage if you're kept above 80%

[sterile moth]

Merry Christmas all. How are things

[boreal veldt]

yeah i'd try it if it didn't drop me to 23% vers :\

[sterile moth]

wtf!

[sterile moth]

Fuck sake made it to 2099 SS, caster lobby inc

[green wharf]

i know people who do mythic raid is like 0.5%

[boreal veldt]

@sharp meteor that was a sneaky mage tower cap lmao

[sharp meteor]

God that bg made me wanna die i started going for bases cos 4k ping

[boreal veldt]

i was defending at fel like "ayo wtf is kennie up to?"

[sharp meteor]

also first team fight got knocked through the world

[boreal veldt]

cant believe thats still not fixed

got haymakered that way one time, same map

that entire alliance team was a premade btw, they hangin with us in duro

[urban skiff]

AH moving slow this morning

[urban skiff]

huh, how is that measured? because late season there are always tons of pugs doing first X bosses of mythic

I never felt particularly elite or rare as a mythic raider

[green wharf]

are you selling meth or something

[green wharf]

i think it was info from blizzard from DF

or those big sites that store data

[urban skiff]

without knowing more about what that number encompasses it isn't a really good number

It could be number of unique accounts that has more than x boss kills. It could be regularly kills or just one kill ever.

[slow solstice]

can you give me eu gold

will be arriving soon

[urban skiff]

how much?

[slow solstice]

10 morbillion

[limber relic]

Me being proud getting my glad wins not playing meta comp.

Literally thundercleave every other game.

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-we-will-never-be-slaves-hell-scream-wow-slave-gif-5506190

[urban skiff]

ngl, i kind of want that now that I'm somewhat close

[urban skiff]

not for sharing

morbs are sacred

[slow solstice]

what about 300k over 6-12 month period

[urban skiff]

could probs do that but i'm about to buy the longboi

[green wharf]

based

[fathom narwhal]

any1 know memphisrains

prot war pvper

[fierce elm]

He is a good friend, he and I talk 24/7

I forgot sarcasm wasnt a thing over text

[green wharf]

he is my best friend though

never mentioned you

[fierce elm]

So sorry for baiting you with that

[fierce elm]

I am best friend with John Blizzard and you dont even exist

[green wharf]

i love the people who dont do shit in a blitzz, lose and then say gg

[green wharf]

this seems a bit extreme of a difference

[limber relic]

We aint no meta slave

Ngl kinda proud. Not seen a single warr/mage/rdru in 3v3 this ssn. We must be the only one

[urban skiff]

replace mage with enh shaman and replace warrior with also enh shaman and replace the rdru with enh shaman

imho

secret tech comp

[limber relic]

Pvpers hate him because of 1 easy trick

[urban skiff]

let's be real, how do you even fight that?

chain heal spam, people absolutely melting during ascendances and you can't kill them through 3x healing stream totems + earth shields + 3x ancestral guidance (easy 20m heal per cast)

[fierce elm]

Triple Outlaw Rogue

[urban skiff]

oh yeah, I can definitely see how dangerous that tripple tickling spree is.

[fierce elm]

Dodge autos, cloak on CD for ascendance

Open, resteslth

eventually yall run out of tools

[urban skiff]

pretty sure cloak doesn't work on ascendance

neither does evade while outside melee range

[fierce elm]

Cloak should negate any sort of magic damage

or rather does

[urban skiff]

ascendance auto attacks aren't magic, they're physical that ignore armor

I think it's phys+nature element

like chaosbolt is all elements

tbh should be easy to test, and I'd probably benefit from knowing for sure, so imma test with my wife's rogue later today

[green wharf]

Imagine wasting 30 minutes in quee

to get a DC immediately after you join the bg

because your internet was cut

cause the person you gave the money to pay a WEEK ago, didnt paid

[exotic forge]

Stormstrike

[urban skiff]

holy shit, yeah you're right

man is that confusing or what

[exotic forge]

Physical + nature = stormstrike damage
Fire + holy = Radiant
All schoolz combined = Chaos

[fierce elm]

WACK

[exotic forge]

I mean yeah it is

[urban skiff]

and good luck finding the right ascendance on wowhead. I think I finally got it

[fierce elm]

should be noted that attacks like that are wildly bugged when it comes to immunities

[urban skiff]

oh wait, that's the ele version

ffff

[fierce elm]

also windstrike is physical damage

But the lightning bolts you spam are magic damahe

[exotic forge]

Also ignores armor

[urban skiff]

they're ranged spells that deal physical damage

[fierce elm]

Phys that ignores armor yes

[urban skiff]

So cloak will maybe stop, but not evade

[fierce elm]

BUT allowing me to stop the fucking bolts are enough lmao

[exotic forge]

So shams and rogues can ignore armor but warriors can't (outside of thane)

[fierce elm]

Also do not trust mixed damage to go through an immunity

[exotic forge]

COOL DUDE

[urban skiff]

and windstrike cannot be dodged, parried and it cannot miss

[fierce elm]

its 50/50 if ret radiant damage goes through bop or not lmao

So then ya just vanish the ascendance all 3

doneso

[urban skiff]

so in conclusion, most likely cloak will stop auto attacks but not windstriike

[fierce elm]

Cloak to remove dots, vanish away

run away

[exotic forge]

BoP only stops physical damage

[fierce elm]

I got my bet on the triple outlaw

[green wharf]

this is from time wow was a rpg, i remember the game had many modifiers specifics like that

fire and shadow alo make shadowflame

[fierce elm]

BoP in theory only stops physical damage

[green wharf]

frost and shadow make shadowfrost

[fierce elm]

BUT immunities are strange with mixed damage types sometimes

[urban skiff]

to be fair, enh shaman is just SMF thane

what thane should have been

[exotic forge]

In theory, yeah, because it removes Karma...

[fierce elm]

Because a mixed damage should pick the highest damage dealing damage

BUT it doesnt always do that

[green wharf]

tthane fury is much better than shammy though

[urban skiff]

lol

[green wharf]

and plate armor>mail

[urban skiff]

k

[fierce elm]

Meaning sometimes radiant damage doesnt go through bop

[urban skiff]

armor is meaningless when classes have baked in survivability that levels playing field

[fierce elm]

And other various things, due to the mixed damage types

[exotic forge]

Enh sham is much better than Thane lol

[green wharf]

its not about defense, its about looking COOL

[urban skiff]

this, plus thane is just stupid amounts of fun

[urban skiff]

show me your best plate mog that isn't a full set

[fierce elm]

Chaos damage is also something thats wildly bugged sometimes lmao

[urban skiff]

chaos damage, in theory, uses the highest damage possible every time

[exotic forge]

Or like Chaos Strike sometimes not going through

[urban skiff]

so if you're kthuman enh shaman with healing totem down you still take full damage from chaos bolt despite having total of 7% damage reduction against frost

[exotic forge]

Chaos damage is all schools of magic

[fierce elm]

Because, in essence chaos bolts should deal damage, BUT Spellwarding blocks chaos bolt

Chaos is also physical damage

[urban skiff]

yup, and the rule of mixed school is it will do damage calcs for all types and pick the highest number

in theory

[fierce elm]

Sincerely, someone who has spent hours being confused over Blessings and Cloak of Shadows

[urban skiff]

chaos is not phys

I'm not sure there is a chaos + phys element in the game

[green wharf]

search my posts in #transmog

[fierce elm]

Unless they have changed chaos

[exotic forge]

No

It's always been like that

[fierce elm]

am I fucking autistic

[exotic forge]

The only "physical" component would be the ability it comes from I.e. Chaos Strike being melee

[fierce elm]

Anyways I aint looking over shit because finding information is impossible

[exotic forge]

But Chaos is purely magic damage

[fierce elm]

50 different iterations of Chaos Bolt

[urban skiff]

i can't make it search both name and channel right now

[fierce elm]

EITHER WAY, mixed damage types act extremely strange into immunities

[verbal tangle]

Little bro can't look at Warlock buttons and find Chaos Bolt

[fierce elm]

Im shitting at work rn

[urban skiff]

chaos strike is indeed phys + chaos damage

funky

[verbal tangle]

Shitscroll harder

[exotic forge]

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta

[green wharf]

tela o pai

[urban skiff]

mail superior

Chest tattoo, little skirt

[green wharf]

what, a demon

disgraceful

[urban skiff]

Just a draenei dealing only wind damage

[green wharf]

with a fire mog

sorry brother

0/10

[exotic forge]

I'll take the Sargeras look a like over Garrosh looking orc #401

[urban skiff]

it's ironic fire

[green wharf]

its not garrosh, is grom, you uncultured player

[exotic forge]

That's even worse

Those shoulders are not lore accurate

[green wharf]

but are cool as f

i need then to put the logosh red set in the store/trading post

for the real look alike

[urban skiff]

tbh I need to get started on amirdrassil transmog, looking beefy

[green wharf]

this is another that i had for prot

[urban skiff]

Warrior next patch gonna look great. Spacemarine inspired gobbo armor

[exotic forge]

I need that mythic amirdrassil

[green wharf]

i need heroic aberrus

too bad no one want to run it

[exotic forge]

Just get elite s2

[urban skiff]

how hard is it?

[exotic forge]

Also, sepulcher warrior armor looks great

[green wharf]

wrong color

[green wharf]

cant solo heroic, need at last 2/3

[exotic forge]

They're not that far apart tbf

[green wharf]

very far appart isnt? red and green

the red look awesome, green is hard to find weapon that match

[exotic forge]

I said elite

Not gladiator

[green wharf]

cant rly get now can we

[urban skiff]

elite pvp

[green wharf]

white instead of black, nah

[urban skiff]

ngl, i didn't really feel most the warrior sets in df

S3 was ok

[verbal tangle]

Elite Crimson + T10 mixed in is kino

[urban skiff]

which one is T10?

[verbal tangle]

ICC

[exotic forge]

S1 looks great, S2 is even cooler, and S3 is... interesting

[green wharf]

i liked a lot of df mogs tbh

just that white one from s3 and 4 i disliked

[exotic forge]

S2 low key reminded me of colossal Dragonplate (DS tier) first time I saw it

[verbal tangle]

The S3 one is good

[green wharf]

and thats why is my favorite

that set rocks

[verbal tangle]

Cut the helm and shoulders and it makes for a great low fantasy set

[green wharf]

old as f but still look good

[green wharf]

yeah, the helm is goofy, the rest is ok, dont like the gloove with the lil shield

[exotic forge]

They should update a lot of these old sets. But eh I'm asking for too much

[urban skiff]

man I'm so undecided on what race to make my frostdk

for bgs only

[green wharf]

easy?

[urban skiff]

Vulpera, KT Human, maybe velf for telepopo

orc too petite for me

[green wharf]

worgen DK with white fur look sick as hell too

[green wharf]

orc petite
consider velf

[urban skiff]

one tries to look stronk. One doesn't pretend to be something its not

[exotic forge]

Undead dk is the only right way to go

[green wharf]

tauren DK also look BOOSS as f

[green wharf]

can confirm, have one as well

now they dont ruin mogs

[urban skiff]

If I could play tauren without horns i might consider it

[green wharf]

you can have small horns

like hellboy horns

[urban skiff]

moose tauren better than tauren though

charge is cool, aoe stun is not

haymake is such an excellent move, and I bet combined with dk super slow it's even stronger

[verbal tangle]

Nah, gotta get that Panda Incap

[green wharf]

MVGame

casting skills on warriors

[urban skiff]

mvgame+

[green wharf]

charge is goat cause movement

and dks are slow

if you pick deathbringer

[verbal tangle]

VElf
Highmountain

Drac doesn't get DK do they?

[green wharf]

no

taurine is cooking something

[north thicket]

I am starting to think that I don't have the IQ to play Arms Col into the ranged meta fkshow nowadays, especially in battlegrounds.

Might be the lack of experience with the spec but... The pvp is so packed with endless cc that it is no place for a tactician to setup Spear and Demo.

Does it get better?

[verbal tangle]

Play Fury, don't hate yourself

[exotic forge]

Play Slayer if you're gonna get kited constantly, which is 80% of the time

[verbal tangle]

You only play Col/Thane into melee comps

[green wharf]

colossus is a gimmick spec, just dont play in blitzz