pvp

[urban skiff]

seriously what

[fierce elm]

he is a chad

[urban skiff]

i mean my 5 killing blows are all from the same proc so i can't really complain

surging totem + chain lightning spam with ascendance

But that guy is a monster

[fierce elm]

I was going to work all christmas

But my body is rejecting life rn

how come fuck is not a banned word

but mother fucker is

[green wharf]

nah, i need to feed my family

[urban skiff]

I guess one is an expression and one a profession

[fierce elm]

lmao

[green wharf]

so heads up

we lot our 10% time reducion of movement imparing effects

if roots and slows werent already bad

[urban skiff]

when did we lose it?

[green wharf]

well, we will

its one of the changes for the next patch

reinforced plates and enduranced training will be combined

but that effected is cut

[urban skiff]

when are we ever not slowed?

It'll affect shiv and curse of exhaustion, anything else?

for fury

for arms it's fear/sap/incap which is probably more noticeable

Remember endurance training is the inverse effect of berserker stance / battle stance

So arms keeps slow reduction and fury keeps incap reductions. They lose the other one but gain a talent point. That's a decent trade imho

[green wharf]

now it will be 10% longer

[urban skiff]

10% longer on a permanent thing is 0 seconds increase

[green wharf]

arms lost the fear/sap reduction as well

[urban skiff]

For the passively applied slows we will feel no difference, for the active big slows they will now last 11% longer

[green wharf]

every second count when you need to kill a maage

and i also remembered Dragon charge will replace heroic leap

[urban skiff]

against a mage you'll get nothing though

[green wharf]

what a dum fuck change

[urban skiff]

against a warlock you've gone from 10.8 second amplified curse of exhaustion to 12 seconds

[green wharf]

now you cant say dumb**ck for some reason too

[green wharf]

massive nerf on us

[fierce elm]

rolled

[urban skiff]

bro you get a talent point for enduring 1 second extra superslow from a warlock. Put the point into bitter immunity and you just GAINED mobility from this change

Now every third amplified CoE you can break as you feel like it

[green wharf]

they use again so now what

[urban skiff]

it's a 1 minute cooldown (technically 45 seconds)

[green wharf]

bitter is 3

and you are wasting one point

[urban skiff]

Idk what to tell you

math is math

[green wharf]

no one ctually pick it

[fierce elm]

No talent points required to reroll

[urban skiff]

This is too dramatic for me

[green wharf]

im just commenting about a nerf that didnt need to happen

no one being dramatic

[urban skiff]

it's not a nerf you'll notice

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

If you can tell, I want to watch your AWC videos

[green wharf]

if isnt so uninportant and make no difference, why remove it

[urban skiff]

why keep it in when it complicates stuff for no reason

mages losing RoF and their barriers getting all jacked up

you'll wring them out when you catch them now

And, again, YOU GET A FULL EXTRA TALENT POINT

That's huge

put it into spear

now you have more mobility than before patch

[green wharf]

what complication

[green wharf]

how so

[urban skiff]

math

[green wharf]

my tree is exactly the same from the beta and live

they even amde two-hand specialization into 2 node as well

[urban skiff]

You go into spear or troar, so that it's 2 points is completely inconsequential

[green wharf]

@urban skiff i think the skills sounds are bugged in general for arms

sometimes my Ms just doesnt do it

when im orc

[wheat jay]

never had that issue with any race except kt, so i dunno

could be a bug that happened to you

on KT its norm, sadly

[lyric violet]

Sharpen Blade (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Now empowers your next Mortal Strike after you cast Colossus Smash or Warbreaker.

this change is the worst

why

[fickle forge]

It's whatever

[lavish quest]

Doesn't matter too much if you just don't play warrior

Think about it

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[fickle forge]

I'm an enh sham main now

All the warriors of EU want my shaft

[lavish quest]

Finally breaking the abuse kink huh?

Tho I guess enh is usually abused too lul

[fickle forge]

No, I played KFC yesterday with @wheat jay's survival hunter

[lavish quest]

Can't give up the kink huh?

[wheat jay]

https://streamable.com/mtmz0e

I'm clean baby

[fickle forge]

Why quit on pleasure

[fickle forge]

Now post the clip where a priest grabbed his dps into your trap

[fierce elm]

You are a hpala main

[fickle forge]

I have the numbers to show otherwise

[fierce elm]

I have better numbers

Hpala main

[fickle forge]

Bro I forgot I was 2.5k on enh sham

When the fuck did that happen

[fierce elm]

Shadowlands

who knows

you are an hpala main now

and outlaw/ele/hpala is our main comp

kekw

[fickle forge]

Maybe we should start winning with it then

[fierce elm]

Yeah, weird how we can only hit 2k on a comp where we have zero experience on every spec we play

w e i r d

[fickle forge]

The comp dies with S2 when Hpala is no longer a 2 IQ spec

[fierce elm]

naaaa

we win

[fickle forge]

Yeah I'd rather be playing warrior brother

[fierce elm]

yeah

Fuck me then

DISS ME THEN

[fickle forge]

: )

[fierce elm]

bitchass

[fickle forge]

Outlaw+enh sham

What can I say

[fierce elm]

Forced to reroll around this man

[fickle forge]

Loveless plays enh+rogue every season

[fierce elm]

Yeah but Loveless needs a therapist

[fickle forge]

Loveless is also Danish so it makes sense

Fyyyyynbo

[fierce elm]

I reckon it aint bad

just unconventional

Its pretty much just melee elemental kek

[fickle forge]

I mean it's pretty much turbo cleave with CC

[fierce elm]

dw lil bro

Socialmisfit the Shaman is coming in hot

[wheat jay]

Dont have it clipped

But thats a good move

I respect it fully

[fickle forge]

We got a pretty terrible habit of starting to alt each others' mains

[wheat jay]

Y'all gonna roll survi or dh now?

[fierce elm]

There are only so many specs

the fuck no

[fickle forge]

Eyo I was surv for a small period

[fickle forge]

When are any of us going to roll mage/lock/monk/boomkin etc.

Exactly

Lmfao

[fierce elm]

I mean never

I did play Monk

what do you mean

[fickle forge]

Any of us going to roll DK?

Nah, just me

[fierce elm]

Leveling DK feels so bad dood

[fickle forge]

So I can play with this man's DH

[fierce elm]

dw I am SHOWING UP

For all the shit transmogs

[fickle forge]

Kinda hoped you were gonna be alliance

[fierce elm]

why

[fickle forge]

The sound of popping hero on ally is way better than on horde

[fierce elm]

I mean I aint playing dwarf

[fickle forge]

I can get behind that

Wasn't I originally KT?

Before some dude DEMANDED I rerolled it orc

[fierce elm]

I have no clue man

[lavish quest]

I will say, I did get the dopamine when on my push to 1800 on hunter when I missed a trap, I just explosive trapped the healer into it after lmao

[wheat jay]

yeeeee

that makes brain go happy

[lavish quest]

Maybe I should just become a BM main. Better warrior.

[fickle forge]

Play survival you virgin ass

[lavish quest]

Maybe. But isn't BM better?

Besides, I'm thinking going monk anyways

[fickle forge]

BM is god tier still yes

[lavish quest]

Then seems BM is da wae

I just knew it was over for warrior when I got the the first sentence of the warrior patch notes

[fickle forge]

Followed by a nerf to colossus

[lavish quest]

Why does Demolish have to yuck the spec?

[copper fox]

They misspelled fury lol weird

[lavish quest]

Honestly prot is doing the best of the 3 lmao

[copper fox]

Fury is a glass cannon spec and has pretty high representation on the ladder

[lavish quest]

Well lez be real, the dev notes are about pve lul

And I mean overall in the game

And prot getting rage Gen nerfs next patch poggers

They shorted wall cd to compensate the CDR loss but not avatar I'm pretty sure 🙃

[fickle forge]

Dw they'll surely buff arms eventually

[slow solstice]

cope

[copper fox]

Oh ok valid

[green wharf]

buff rend and slam incoming

[rancid granite]

accept the fury life

[slow solstice]

you might need to be silenced

slam sucks

i love pressing slam when i could be pressing ms op or execute

[green wharf]

they will buff anyway

[slow solstice]

stop wishing harm upon me

[green wharf]

just like they did previously

[lavish quest]

I want a full rework for arms. Like delete buttons and gib new ones lol

[fickle forge]

Lemme keep MS, Exe and OP brother

[green wharf]

make execute execute people

[lavish quest]

Fuck OP.

[green wharf]

they are busy reworking MM from hunters, while they fuck over everyone who did PVP and any content that wasnt M+

[lavish quest]

Not a cool dodge punish like it used to be

[green wharf]

these godamn fools

[lavish quest]

Now it does 2 dmg

[fickle forge]

I kill rogues with it occasionally

They should just make a PvP talent that makes it hit harder into dodge

https://youtu.be/961sD5u7ahg?si=HpobufMprP1ETWTn

[rancid granite]

lmao

[green wharf]

no, we already ahve so many mandatory ones

[fickle forge]

2

We have 2

[lavish quest]

Or... just baked into ability passive :)

[torn sigil]

Rework it back to MOP glory days

[fickle forge]

I could fr cook up an arms rework that'd make it lit

[slow solstice]

nope

inb4 you destory arms pve even morr

[fickle forge]

You wanna test me brother?

[verbal tangle]

PvE players aren't people

[slow solstice]

mad noob

[verbal tangle]

These fuckwits wanted to replace MS with Cleave at one point

[slow solstice]

?

is that real or

[verbal tangle]

Yeah, that was last xpac

People were pushing to have MS removed and Cleave baseline

[slow solstice]

in this discord or in general

[boreal veldt]

i remember it was an actual discussion in arms

[fickle forge]

I remember when I cooked up this shit forever ago

[verbal tangle]

Yeah even Baj commented on it, calling pve players dumb as fuck

[fickle forge]

Yeah @wheat jay was a part of that shit

MS is too iconic to be replaced

[boreal veldt]

the m+ brainrot gone too far

[slow solstice]

im just saying

[fickle forge]

It already has

[torn sigil]

Dont

[slow solstice]

class discords are slightly unhinged

[fickle forge]

PvP is designed around M+ now

[slow solstice]

wdym m+ brainrot

[verbal tangle]

Prot gaming now

[slow solstice]

what brainrot

[rancid granite]

ive been too afraid to click any other channel but this one

just a gut feelin

[slow solstice]

you should read #fury

its fun

we get the weekly flame

[torn sigil]

They can't read themselves so

[slow solstice]

or just a #general

[rancid granite]

just cliche pvpers are animals talk?

[boreal veldt]

*rabid mini game players

enjoyers even

[verbal tangle]

And some of the most sub-brick IQ takes you ever seen

Pokemon players aren't even that subhuman

And those mouth breathers have their brain leaking on the floor

[torn sigil]

Pve players are all those sped up gifs you see of guys at a blackboard with equations

And then you find out they're talking about 2.5k mythic and delves

[copper fox]

@slow solstice I’m coming to pve next season

[slow solstice]

oh shit

raiding guild or just for fun

[wheat jay]

ye, if talented it should

same talent

[copper fox]

Imma raid. I do m+ for mount then stop every season but it’s time to shine

And maybe push m+ too

[slow solstice]

holy

if i end up tanking or pkaying not war ill let you know

na right?

[copper fox]

Yea I’ll be fury for sure

[urban skiff]

just had a 3-0 twinpeaks where I literally carried the entire game

[copper fox]

I’m bored pushing ss on like 3-4 warriors lol going to just pvp and pve on 1

[verbal tangle]

Actually fucking unhinged

[urban skiff]

launched EFC off the side of the map twice and returned two flags besides that

[verbal tangle]

Prot?

[urban skiff]

fuck yeah shaman rocks

[urban skiff]

enh

[copper fox]

I came to this realization last night. I got my high mountain to like 2350 and I’m like

Why am I doing this

[boreal veldt]

carried the flag, the team, both?

[verbal tangle]

SMF Thane stonks

[urban skiff]

I'm just really really good at using knockbacks

[urban skiff]

you should try enh

[slow solstice]

wdym

[copper fox]

Yea I’m going to have a 2h enhance alt remember

[slow solstice]

understandable

[urban skiff]

it's already dead

[copper fox]

Rip

[urban skiff]

11.0.7 changed stormstrike to require a 1h mace/axe/fistweapon instead of offhand

stealth nerf

[copper fox]

That’s actually ridiculous

[boreal veldt]

[wheat jay]

same ability*

[copper fox]

So it’s a 1 button rotation praying for WF procs

[wheat jay]

ms and cleave

[green wharf]

it doesnt surprise me, seeing how many of those tards are overjoyed they removed the pets from MM

[wheat jay]

one is just aoe, other is ST

[urban skiff]

sign up for blizz questionaires

[slow solstice]

but why not have 2 things to press when one thing could be on cd

[verbal tangle]

I mean Lone Wolf and Pets should be balanced around each other like SMF and TG should be, or DW and 2H Frost

[slow solstice]

[urban skiff]

ptr 11.1 though

[slow solstice]

huge

[urban skiff]

there's a small chance

[verbal tangle]

The dream is still alive

[green wharf]

can you do the rest of the skills with 2h as well?

[urban skiff]

I checked and bladestorm only requires "main hand weapon"

[green wharf]

if so, we are so barack

[urban skiff]

what rest of skills? I only use stormstrike

[wheat jay]

cuz you dont do it anyway, we could have a talent for MS to buff it, and other choice node would be cleave

[green wharf]

lava lash you heretic

[urban skiff]

what is that

[wheat jay]

that way we could also bring back some whirlwind/cleave interaction

[urban skiff]

do you see any lava lash?

[green wharf]

yeah, its voltaic blaze

shit talent though

[slow solstice]

maybe

[urban skiff]

voltaic blaze is not lava lash related

biggest blaze i did was 1.2m so idk, kind of shit

[green wharf]

ah yes it replace flame shock

but why are you not using lva lash though

[urban skiff]

can't use it if i don't have it

[slow solstice]

erm

[green wharf]

cursed

[urban skiff]

all I do is hit stormstrike a lot and crash lightning / ice strike sometimes

[slow solstice]

how will uou burst for 9 mil with that page eith a pi

[urban skiff]

if I connect with people i just melt them tbh

[slow solstice]

but you cant do the funny burst for 9 mill for 30 second pi opener

[urban skiff]

I'm not excited, I think they're accidentally killing off my favorite spec

they're moving a lot of damage from spenders to builders, but they only buff builders in pve, not pvp

[urban skiff]

nah

Instead I accidentally take out a mage or rdruid or whatever because the rogue vanishes and I just hit tab-target to hit something while looking for a new better target

[green wharf]

blizz ruining pvp because M+ andys

more news tomorow

[boreal veldt]

hey they just buffed overpower by 20%

[green wharf]

[slow solstice]

its all of pve btw

[urban skiff]

I think this philosophy was specifically for enh

[slow solstice]

pi lust ascendance 9mil opener

[urban skiff]

I just think it's kind of weird they're removing a bunch of really fun damage modifiers from sundering + totemic

[slow solstice]

just is what it is

[urban skiff]

It wouldn't kill me, so idk why other classes are struggling with that

Hell a timed spellreflect would delete the shaman

[urban skiff]

I wouldn't have this build if they didn't try to make something fun for pve-guys

lightning bolt is just not as fun as stormstrike to press

and that's a fact

I pretty much only press lightning bolt or chain lightning to set up what ascendance will spam

other maelstrome goes into meatballs

[fierce elm]

Imagine not playing surging

smh

[green wharf]

the problem with lightining bolt as enh is that you have to cast

is shit

before it wa instant and it was nice

[urban skiff]

wdym?

[fierce elm]

Oh

[urban skiff]

I actually tried stormbringer again after trying this build and it's just.. Not as fun?

[fierce elm]

Its still instant

I am so confused man over these comments

[green wharf]

only if it procs

[urban skiff]

My little buddy is a murder machine

[fierce elm]

idk im leveling my enhance rn lmao

You arent casting your fucking lightning bolts as Enhance

You arent standing there with your dick in hand casting anything

[green wharf]

it should be instant always, and the proc should just increase damage

[urban skiff]

what are you talking about?

[urban skiff]

i only cast hex when I remember it exists

[fierce elm]

I havent decided on what I wanna go

[urban skiff]

mostly it's my "fuck you" button for when I'm in a root

[fierce elm]

but tbf I am also level 76

Really liking the stormbuild that consists of only hitting Stormstrike pretty much

[fickle forge]

Elementalist requires the big brain

[urban skiff]

elementalist totemic is big dam singletarget
stormstrike stormbringer is big aoe.

Stormstrike totemic is stupid amounts of fun and I cannot explain what I do that kills anything

[fierce elm]

Karg has only showed me two builds

[urban skiff]

requires a few castsequence macros

[fierce elm]

not Stormstrike totemic

[fickle forge]

Nah definitely not necessary

[urban skiff]

elemental blast -> frostshock

[fickle forge]

It's not a thing competitively

[urban skiff]

nah but it removes the big brain part, you can just skip it entirely

[fierce elm]

competitively

[fickle forge]

competitively

[fierce elm]

I am vibing

[fickle forge]

Just play storm then

[fierce elm]

no

[fickle forge]

And enjoy something fun

[fierce elm]

I just dont see what makes Elementalist big brain honestly

Isnt it just moving totem, using elemental blast pre-go then just slamming the same shit you always do?

[fickle forge]

Q'd up a shuffle on my arms, and get Jazggz in my lobby man, was destined to be disaster

[urban skiff]

you have to do different stuff with your cooldowns depending on what you did earlier and what you want to do later

hmm

[fierce elm]

Note: I havent read any of the talents lmao

[urban skiff]

me neither!

[fickle forge]

It's just about flame shock management and then hitting more rotational buttons

[urban skiff]

still top 300 enh in the world somehow

which isn't at all impressive but eh

[fierce elm]

1700 yoooo lmao

[urban skiff]

I definitely expected enh to big more popular in blitz

[fickle forge]

The win rate

[urban skiff]

I started out going 0-15

[green wharf]

cuz no one plays shammy

[fickle forge]

What the fuck

[urban skiff]

apparently it affected my climb in zero ways after i got my first couple wins

[urban skiff]

was bad luck on bad luck

[fierce elm]

Really like the PvE builds

[green wharf]

thats what you get for not using lava lash

[urban skiff]

I was actually playing stormbringer stormstrike at the time, it was garbage

[fickle forge]

Not using Lava Lash as elementalist is also wild af

It's like not pressing Execute as slayer

[urban skiff]

I'm not elementalist

[fickle forge]

You're surging totem though

[urban skiff]

yep, but i'm all about the other damage

https://murlok.io/character/eu/gordunni/гробдлятебя/pvp

also this dude is rank1 blitz enh and copied my build

[fickle forge]

I wouldn't ever use blitz as a reference though

[urban skiff]

Except he picked up fire and ice talent for some dumb reason

If he wasn't cyrillic I'd message him and tell him how to play

[urban skiff]

i mean it's proof it works?

[fickle forge]

Wouldn't use blitz as proof of anything

Not personally at least

[fierce elm]

DW Afro is coming in to show you guys how to play this dumb spec

[urban skiff]

I just want to play blitz so I'm going with what works in blitz

and this shit works really well

it works because of this talent

in totemic

If you count my damage instances it's almost all passive

My only true "goal" is to stack up this little guy as high as possible, then slap something with sundering before surging totem and ascendance runs out

when I do that I crap out an aoe 2m crit

uncapped

I usually get around 6-10 stacks but the max is apparently 27

guess it's shuffle time

[fierce elm]

kek

[fickle forge]

This looks like something you'd have to stack a ton of mastery for though

[urban skiff]

I actually don't

I have a ton of haste by accident but it started working so I just rolled with it

[green wharf]

imagine playing shaman and not being a glorious orc

[lavish quest]

Just make MS cleave by itself

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-5346522

[fierce elm]

the 2 pixel helmet

[urban skiff]

kid came home during 2nd round and I'm just losing now because distractions

😦

[green wharf]

hey, dont blame your kid for the lack of lava lash

[urban skiff]

lava lash is shiiiiiit

[fickle forge]

Oh no

[urban skiff]

best i can do is a draw

[verbal tangle]

Fucking healers aren't people

[boreal veldt]

i'm learning that mana as a holy priest is a meme

[fickle forge]

Holy priest is a meme

[boreal veldt]

i should switch to disc but i hate myself

renew is so bad lmfao

[boreal veldt]

i enjoyed it last season, what have they done to my boy

[fickle forge]

Hopefully nuked it so it can be that spec the GM's girlfriend plays in raids

[boreal veldt]

[urban skiff]

so we have healers and warriors in here

and shamans

[fickle forge]

Double disc priest when you play colo

What a travesty

[urban skiff]

why aren't we all just playing turbo together?

[fickle forge]

What does my name say

[fierce elm]

lmao

My warrior is right here

waiting

but Karg is a lil b i t c h

[green wharf]

how in the ass you draw and get 43 rating

[urban skiff]

it says inferior lava lash

[green wharf]

i only get that when i 6-0

[fickle forge]

I never said no

[fierce elm]

Karg hates me

frankly

[urban skiff]

idk, i should have won 2 more but I was super distracted because kid wanted to show off christmas presents and you only get one shot at BEING interested instead of pretending to be interested

[fierce elm]

its sad

He is avoiding my warrior gameplay

[urban skiff]

missed a vital kick on the healer so they recovered from rogue being at 1%

[fierce elm]

CHRISTMAS PRESENTS

THATS TOMORROW

OR THE 25TH DEPENDING ON COUNTRY

[fickle forge]

Beat my MMR first lil' bro

[urban skiff]

Her grandmother is a narcissist so she wants to be the first to gift shit and we can't really stop that behavior

[fierce elm]

lmao

typical boomers

[urban skiff]

what's your CR again?

[urban skiff]

not all boomers are garbage, but a lot of garbage is boomers. The lead-generation

It makes me so angry and sad that an entire generation basically got brain damage from lead

[green wharf]

dont get those since i was 15

[verbal tangle]

No wonder they fucked everything up

Genuinely 80 IQ people

[fickle forge]

Only did 1 lobby

[urban skiff]

recent swedish study, when extrapolated onto the USA, puts the collective lead-based brain damage to 151m people.

iirc

[verbal tangle]

My statement doesn't change lmao

[urban skiff]

yup

[torn sigil]

You can absolutely stop that. They're your kids not her grandkids

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

I'm aware, but when she gets to them first it turns us into the bad guys when saying "no, save them for christmas"

[torn sigil]

Seems like an extreme nip in the bud instantly situation

[urban skiff]

i mean she's been working this angle for many years now

I've cut all contact because she's so mentally ill

[rancid granite]

🙏

can still love someone but hate their actions and cut ties while still lovin'

[urban skiff]

I absolutely despise her

so that's fine

I don't think my kids are safe with her, but their mom thinks it's tolerable and it's a fight I'm kind of done dealing with

So, no lava lash

[urban skiff]

sounds like i'm higher ranked than you

on the ladder

[fickle forge]

I go by MMR

[rancid granite]

👎

just go by titles make it easier

[wheat jay]

Until your cr equals mmr you should go by cr 🙂

In other words cr #1

[fickle forge]

Makes no sense, if I Q literally 4-5 lobbies more they'll align

When MMR determines who I get matched against

[copper fox]

If you win yea

If you get a lucky 6-0 then suck ass 4-5 more lobbies your mmr meant nothing

[fickle forge]

Not like having 0 CR will stop you from being matched into Jazggz, Raiku etc.

[sharp meteor]

ya its funny u can be like 3k mmr 0 cr

cos u can just leave/dodge or w/e to brick rating

well in shuff anyways

[copper fox]

Mmr is an assumption, cr means the assumption was correct / incorrect

[sharp meteor]

in blitz everybody is 1600 cr 2900 mmr

one team loses and only like 1 person loses cr

imo for s2 they buff cr gain but nerf mmr

[copper fox]

Yep 100%

[sharp meteor]

so top of ladder isnt 4k but it also doesnt take 200 games to get up there

20 cr a win btw

[copper fox]

+24 max is wild

[sharp meteor]

psure that been an artifact of like cata rbgs

cos u used to get like 192 cr up to like

actually idk

my alt got 2300 rbgs in cata in legit like two hours

and like 10 games

so they hard capped cr at 24

[copper fox]

Yea cata rbgs was easy rating

Going from 192 -> 24 tho

lol

[sharp meteor]

man i didnt remember tyo buy the elite set that seas

[copper fox]

Rip

[sharp meteor]

ask gms theyre like we dont know if u were 2200

im like can u see achi on that char dated to that seas

"ya"

so can u help me

"nah"

🪦

[copper fox]

lmao there was also an issue with the enchant too I forget what it was

[sharp meteor]

ya so what happened with enchant was

kind of convoluted rly

u bought a scroll that applied it to wep with stats in mop at 2200 right

in wod it was just a striaght up cosmetic

but the wod version turned into the "add this illusion to collection" item after legion pre patch

but u needed extra 1k conq to buy it right

and have one in bags

[copper fox]

Ah right

[sharp meteor]

so people who didnt buy extra got bonered

and people who werent duelist or hero in mop got boned

then they nerfed the illusion the gits

[copper fox]

Blizzards decision making from cata -> now is exactly the same. Just 99% bad with the occasional good

[hasty pulsar]

guys mega tilted how do you stop being tilted

[copper fox]

You don’t

[hasty pulsar]

im so pissed

[copper fox]

You stay tilted

And keep Qing

[hasty pulsar]

i cant handle it

[copper fox]

Why what happened oh great vulpera warrior

[hasty pulsar]

just bad

[copper fox]

I feel that

[hasty pulsar]

getting in arguments with people too i need to disable chat

[copper fox]

When I enter ss. As a warrior (a fury mongo).. I type my main target / off target… then follow it up with I will be hitting whatever I can.

Then I say nothing else and don’t respond to anything else

[hasty pulsar]

I need to cease talking to people

Cannot respond to the triggers/baits

[copper fox]

Yea don’t respond

[sharp meteor]

embrace the tilt

always be tilted

[sharp meteor]

i mean if ur bored sure 99% of the time u wont change peoples mind

[hasty pulsar]

Like the worst part is I know I made mistakes and played bad

Just need to take a break

[fickle forge]

I threaten to throw the lobby if somebody talks shit to me

[hasty pulsar]

Lol

[sharp meteor]

if u feel ur play is getting worse take a bit of a break do something else

i know i get fried after like 90 mins in arena

[hasty pulsar]

Yeah I stopped playing for now just not performing well for some reason

[exotic forge]

I trade people bleach or salt (or both), I throw the lobby on purpose, I take a break, go agane, repeat

[wheat jay]

HOLY SHIT THANE FURY BROKEN!?

oh, nevermind

[sharp meteor]

details rly needs an arena mode

get people crying about prot or blood dmg

[rancid granite]

its part of the skill of winning ss; i just treat it as a game to help un-tilt them, make them laugh or something

[sharp meteor]

(70% rend on pets)

[rancid granite]

or well any group-mode

[hasty pulsar]

Lol that’s hilarious you trade them actual in game items?

🤣

[sharp meteor]

for me it's salt and bat guano

[rancid granite]

for me its

the duality of man

[hasty pulsar]

wtf have I been doing (or not doing should I say)

I need to stock up

[rancid granite]

yeah imagine being nice to people being more fun and upping your chance to win

[urban skiff]

You haven't succeeded until you have failed.

[wheat jay]

true

[fierce elm]

Kargish is a MMR coper

[fickle forge]

HOLY SHIT SURV HUNTER BROKEN!?

[wheat jay]

yeeeeeeeee buddy

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-bodybuilder-fouble-biceps-gif-20404006

survi in the mirror

[spice hornet]

People who main survival need to be on a watch list

[wheat jay]

?

how come?

afraid of me?

[exotic forge]

Yes

I have 1000 of each

[hasty pulsar]

Kinda weird no one’s ever traded me anything yet

Where’s my salt and bleach

[exotic forge]

are you on NA

[hasty pulsar]

Yes NA

[exotic forge]

char name

[hasty pulsar]

Lol

[exotic forge]

realm?

[hasty pulsar]

Oh no that not my name

[exotic forge]

dm me your character name and server, I got a nice surprise for ya

[hasty pulsar]

Lol

[exotic forge]

I'm not just trading you these two items

[hasty pulsar]

Im scared

[exotic forge]

Don't be

[urban skiff]

fuuuun lobby ahead

[exotic forge]

I'm convinced people don't like being sent money alongside silly items

[copper fox]

What does that even mean lol

[exotic forge]

i'm trying to send this man 1 salt, 1 bleach and 3,5k gold

[urban skiff]

lmao was about to die and my partner left

[exotic forge]

love to see hunters ragequit

[sharp meteor]

Man what an absolute bloodbath.

[urban skiff]

is that prot?

[urban skiff]

I'm not 100% certain he quit and didn't disconnect

he was standing still for quite a while

new shuffle who dis

[sharp meteor]

Nah, I been messing around on Fury earlier in the day because tank lobbies sus until the evening.

Being pulled down into 2500 and 2600 games not good for the build.

[exotic forge]

be kind to that warr

[urban skiff]

what a bad lobby tbh

really bad lobby tbh

can't even put a dent into anyone

[faint girder]

How do we change PvP gear into tier set bonus? Is it the same as with PvE gear? The Catalyst in Dorno?

[sharp meteor]

Cata, ye.

I think you can even use the sl-df ones.

[faint girder]

Ok so if I use the Catalyst on one of my Forged items, does that also change into 639 when going into the Arena for example?

[sharp meteor]

Ye.

Assuming it's conq gear

bloody token 3 ilev lower

[faint girder]

Yes, Conq gear

Should Fury go with 2 or 4 set?

[sharp meteor]

2 set a given cos stats good on helm and leggies

4pc honestly might be okay as you can get some giant bloodthirrts with contempt/powerful

but ye probs just 2pc for fury

[faint girder]

Ok nice thx

[sour crag]

Can somebody teach me how Fury works? I've climbed as Arms on Solo but I keep falling back down, and since Fury is higher tier, how do? No un-needed toxiv commentary please.

[sharp meteor]

it just does considerably more dmg/pressure

drawback is entirely melee and relatively squishy

what in particular have u had issues with

[sour crag]

Either I become outplayed for nuking or my dps teammate does. Even if I intervene, doing all the stuns and doing all I can to save them, I lose my damage

I topped at 1700 and now I'm under 1600

I just wanna reach 1950 for the damn enchant so I can quit this season stress

I need consistency

I could also still keep going as Arms but I am bashing my head to a wall here.

[sharp meteor]

i mean its mostly a matter of timing

ideally stuns shut down their dmg

as well as enable yours

[sour crag]

Also the comps are really RNG, it's insane. I either get few rounds where I get strong classes with me, or stuck with that one who's squishiest, relying on them to manage surviving even when I am doing decent.

[urban skiff]

only if it's pvp gear base

[faint girder]

Sorry, what do you mean "base"?

[sour crag]

And I can't be bothered with Premade because people are either too picky or quitting right after thr first round. It's so timeconsuming just to WAIT

[urban skiff]

When you use catalyst you take the base item and change it, keeping item levels only

if the base item doesn't have a separate pvp item level then it won't get it from using the catalyst

[slow solstice]

this is going to sound very ignorant

but why dont you just try going in and not thinking

like press cds

and explode someone

just do damage

someone will fall eventually

[sour crag]

Because 1: Outhealed
2: They nuke my healer
3: Tunnelvision

I can't deal damage if I have to keep looking after my teammates and get yelled at for focusing on the decided target

[urban skiff]

did you try doing more damage?

You have to think less so that's a bonus too

[sour crag]

I said no toxic comments.

[faint girder]

So the new stats are random?

[urban skiff]

no, tier stats are ALWAYS the same stats

[fierce elm]

Its tied to the PvE item

[faint girder]

Aaaah then I understand

[urban skiff]

You turn the pvp item into a pve item, but keep the item levels from before you did so

[fierce elm]

You should not be losing damage because you have to peel

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

lmao

[fierce elm]

In the end you cant decide what your teammates do, but you can decide what you do

Peeling shouldnt be losing you much damage, in the end the more damage you do in SS the higher chance of you winning

[slow solstice]

^^

when im saying i have clue what is going on in my ss matches in 2100

i mean

I have no clue

[fickle forge]

I'm cooking right now

[slow solstice]

0 fucking clue

big ms crit

[urban skiff]

i got literally yelled at for dying too fast. I was using intervene to keep the rogue alive for a few more seconds

[slow solstice]

all i know how to do is damage

[urban skiff]

Like, how can a health-bar-watcher not notice that?

[urban skiff]

Your stormstrike looks really weird

[fickle forge]

It just hits harder than yours

[urban skiff]

X to doubt

[faint girder]

How would a macro look like that cycles you trough your arena targets (1,2,3 etc)?

[urban skiff]

Don't

[faint girder]

Why not?

[urban skiff]

it can be made but it's gonna be really annoying to make

[faint girder]

Hmm ok .. and atm the in-game variant on TAB is just targeting whats nearest right?

[urban skiff]

And my ADD meds stopped hours ago so I'm of no help

[faint girder]

HAHAHA

I also want ADD meds ..

[urban skiff]

You can keybind tabtarget to only target players not npcs

[faint girder]

Im standing in queue to get help from doctors lol

[faint girder]

How?

[urban skiff]

find tabtarget in your keybinds and look above or below that

[fierce elm]

Get framesort, never have to sort your 123 again

[faint girder]

Whats that? Addon?

[fierce elm]

You could make a target macro for 123, but it would only be a target macro

framesort is an addon that sorts enemy frames into the same ones

so healer is always 1 etc

[sour crag]

Are you telling me, SS is "Don't think, just peel and nuke"?

Honestly I genuinely want to find out the difference of mentality between SS and other arena modes.

[urban skiff]

it also has a second feature, you can use @healer and @dps1 and @dps2 in macro conditionals

[fierce elm]

Pretty much

Hit target harder than they are hitting you

try not to fuck up DRs

[urban skiff]

m8 i got to 1900 in shuffle using only stormstrike with a totemic build. Just do big dam and nothing else really matters

[fierce elm]

A trap a lot of ”lower” rated people fall into is overthinking stuff

its pretty common

[urban skiff]

some of us are immune

[sour crag]

Should I switch to Fury then, despite having zero experience with the specc?

[fierce elm]

You can try it out

[slow solstice]

play what you have fun on

🙂

[fierce elm]

Its as simple as arms, but play the spec you enjoy

[sour crag]

I can't have fun if I keep losing despite efforts.

[urban skiff]

Yes, if your goal is to gain experience with the spec it is very important you do that

[slow solstice]

that just means you have to put in more effort

[fierce elm]

Cant get better without losing big dawg

[sour crag]

I mean I look at this and go "Have I been doing this wrong all this time?

Really not a good morale boost.

[fierce elm]

the fuck is this tier list lmao

[urban skiff]

enh in D-tier instead of SS tier

[fierce elm]

Enhance, Ret are really good. Assa/Outlaw are the same tier, sub fucking sucks

[urban skiff]

not great list

[slow solstice]

why look at a tierlist

[fierce elm]

A bad tier list aswell

[sour crag]

from wowmeta.com. I just picked it at random, but it's become the general opinion that Arms is inferior to Fury this season. I am just trying to learn from the experiences, sweatiest ones?

[wheat jay]

Wtf is that

Fury s tier

Havoc d tier

[fierce elm]

Arms is worse than Fury, yes

[urban skiff]

technically that depends on what the purpose of the tier list is. It could be a tier list of number of keybinds

[lavish quest]

Don't be spreading misinformation like that

Buff fury

[wheat jay]

It is

[lavish quest]

[wheat jay]

Shut up leland you don't even play the game

XD

[lavish quest]

That's how you know fury is shit

Can't be good if it ain't queued

😎

[wheat jay]

It is queued

Top tier spec

[sour crag]

aaand back to toxic derailing when I need support.

[lavish quest]

I ain't queuing it

[wheat jay]

Especially in shuffle

[lavish quest]

Thus, it dog

[wheat jay]

What you want habibi

[wheat jay]

Cuz you suck man

[spice hornet]

It actually isn’t that bad, no idea why enh is D tier though

[lavish quest]

Wow sucks*

[wheat jay]

That too

[sour crag]

I wanna ge the pvp enchant but I am hardstuck on 1500+ as Slayer Arms

[slow solstice]

whos being toxic

[wheat jay]

Play fury

[fierce elm]

Sub, ret, assa, enh being all wrong

kek

[spice hornet]

Fury can’t be s tier because it dies like a dog

[wheat jay]

If you want rating, play whats good

[wheat jay]

Cap

[urban skiff]

are you on eu?

[lavish quest]

Swapping to fury ain't gonna stop him from being hard stuck 1500 dood

[spice hornet]

Fury on the same tier as outlaw is completely unhinged

[sour crag]

Okay. How do I play Fury when I've always been Arms? I am too scared to pick a new specx when it's the homestretch of this season. I started back on November.

[lavish quest]

1500 is a, you need to learn pvp basics, level

[spice hornet]

Outlaw is playing with next expansions tools

[wheat jay]

It is

Fury is one of the best specs

In the game

[fierce elm]

Homestretch

[wheat jay]

For pvp

[fierce elm]

My guy nothing has been announced yet

[lavish quest]

For pvp graveyard?

[wheat jay]

Dont make me go for statistics qfiend

I will go to check pvp

[sour crag]

Well with the pace I'm doing, I'll not reach even 1800 before April 😄

[lavish quest]

11.1 has literally been announced

[fierce elm]

Priority is as basic as Rampage - Exe - Raging Blow - Bloodthirst

[lavish quest]

Maybe no dates

[fierce elm]

Yeah its about 1-2 months out

[lavish quest]

But announced nonetheless

[urban skiff]

ok so this will sound complicated bu

If rampage can be used, use rampage. If execute can be used, use execute. BT if over 5 stacks, RB -> BT if not

[sour crag]

2 months go SUPER fast for me.

[wheat jay]

Shuffle 2200+

[lavish quest]

It took 150 rounds to hit 2100 if that makes you feel better

[urban skiff]

mid feb

that's not a home stretch

I'm placing my money on 2nd week of february

[wheat jay]

One diff on NA is that shadow is above fury, whereas on EU fury is higher

[lavish quest]

I reacted to wrong guy

Shit

[fierce elm]

Dont look at BT stacks

Just think Rampage - Execute - Raging Blow - Bloodthirst

[urban skiff]

i never do, i'm just saying whtaver whatshisface the bald smallie said

[wheat jay]

Here's 2400

[sour crag]

Here's me so far.

[fierce elm]

Artji arguing over state of Fury

[wheat jay]

Doesnt say much when you got same mmr boost I had xD

From having like 2 month break

[wheat jay]

Mofos claim its bad

When its the best melee in the game

[lavish quest]

I hit it before my break

[fierce elm]

K E EEEEEK

[lavish quest]

Took like weeks

[wheat jay]

Fair fair

[fierce elm]

K EEE E. E. E K

[wheat jay]

Am I wrong?

[fierce elm]

KEEEEEK

yes

[lavish quest]

Also, why people letting fury win so much? Have they heard of just walking away from them slowly?

[wheat jay]

Theres also feral thats busted

[lavish quest]

Or killing them

[fierce elm]

You are flat out wrong and that is okay

[urban skiff]

m8 are you on EU?

[sour crag]

Why do you ask?

[wheat jay]

Good mobility, good dmg, instant burst with 0 indicators of it happening

[urban skiff]

because I play enh and turbo is cracked

[wheat jay]

It is what it is

[lavish quest]

Your max is 1750

[fierce elm]

Instant burst that you can see, bad mobility compared to other melees, decent damage if able to connect

I can name 4 better Melee specs without leaving the couch rn lmao

[lavish quest]

Indicator of when it's happening:
Cooldown

[wheat jay]

Anger management

Can't rly see it

[wheat jay]

Go for it

[sour crag]

What does it matter I would be EU or not?

[wheat jay]

And we can see statistics disagree xD

[fierce elm]

Outlaw, Assa, Ret, Survival. Assuming soloshufflr

ah yes stats the optimal look at a spec

[wheat jay]

Survival?

[fierce elm]

Thats why Feral is so low, because its a bad spec

oh wait

[lavish quest]

I forget which cds it affects for fury tbh

Think the big go is still 1.5m hard

[slow solstice]

bs reck rava

[fierce elm]

Weird how Outlaw is so low, hmmm

Stop BAITING artji with your cracked takes

[urban skiff]

i don't think I'll ever be able to adjust to feral actually being good for once

in my mind it's still "worse rogue, but furry"

[fierce elm]

also answer this guy Zercher

[wheat jay]

Afro, fury is the go to spec if you want rating

[fierce elm]

k e k

[lavish quest]

Ye so the big bust is still predictable

[wheat jay]

Its the best in 3s, and shuffle

[fierce elm]

k e k

[slow solstice]

not really

[wheat jay]

Im not talking 1800, im talking 2400+

[fierce elm]

This is why everyone bullies you

[wheat jay]

In a deflated season

[lavish quest]

Avatar is the big bust

[slow solstice]

bs is like 30 cd

[fierce elm]

This is why everyone bullied you

[urban skiff]

#pvp message i did

[slow solstice]

ah

i see what you mesn

[lavish quest]

Avatar with everything else to be specific

[fierce elm]

oh you tryna recruit him to 3s

[sour crag]

I am not going to switch to a different class.

[wheat jay]

Bruh you say that when you do 200k dps

[slow solstice]

he is playing enh

[wheat jay]

Come on Afro

Maybe if you played fury youd manage 300

[lavish quest]

Zercher isn't a real troll

[slow solstice]

thats a violation artji

[fierce elm]

kek

[urban skiff]

I'm much too selfish to let someone else play enh and have all the fun

[fierce elm]

You talk a lot of smack for someone who wasnt gonna PvP this season

[urban skiff]

I'm a kt human

in the body of a draenei woman

[fierce elm]

Either way, your opinions are invalidated

[wheat jay]

Got 2100, I do some chill 3s with kargo

Based on?

[lavish quest]

Fury is trash. Know how I know that? Because fury is a warrior spec. And warrior is trash.

[wheat jay]

Statistics dont lie

[lavish quest]

My math is flawless

[urban skiff]

MATH IS MATH

[wheat jay]

If it was inflated season, sure

But its not, 2400 is super high on the ladder

[slow solstice]

is it

[wheat jay]

So 2400+ is a good metric to look at

[slow solstice]

how many total 2400 are there in ss

[wheat jay]

Compared to past seasons, yes

[sour crag]

I am no really aiming for 2000 rating.

I just want the enchant

[lavish quest]

@sour crag Learn how to do big dam and not let your opponents say no, and you get enchant ez

[wheat jay]

Plenty actually, fewer in 3s

[lavish quest]

Trust

[wheat jay]

Where fury is also best melee

[sour crag]

Also wtf, my arena ratings change when I respecc?! I got 0 on fury :<

groan

[fierce elm]

Its spec specific

[wheat jay]

Ye

You have fresh start

[sour crag]

uuuuuurgh

[wheat jay]

Good luck

[lavish quest]

Shuffle rating is spec specific

[urban skiff]

that's a good thing

[urban skiff]

BGB too

[sour crag]

How is that a good thing. I try to hold onto my 1.5k for my dear life

[urban skiff]

you get to play more games but not risk your 1500

[sour crag]

Also I don't freaking recall doing 2s on Fury this season..?!

[urban skiff]

even if the spec is a little different you're still going to rack up valuable experience that will transfer between the two

[lavish quest]

I'm really not being mean by this. But 1500 is base rating.

[wheat jay]

Cuz 1500 is pisslow rating, you have fresh start to push some rating and get ahead on mmr

[lavish quest]

You can't really go lower

You at the floor atm

Go crazy

[urban skiff]

I've met career 1200s on my climb up

[fierce elm]

Skyhold PvP try not to be toxic challenge

[sharp meteor]

It's a little higher now.

[wheat jay]

Whos toxic?

[sharp meteor]

whomst

[lavish quest]

You can't read

[fierce elm]

I mean, calling someone PISSLOW for being 1500 can be mean as fuck

[wheat jay]

I didnt call him pisslow

[urban skiff]

this is true

[wheat jay]

I said 1500 is pisslow

[lavish quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198213371154153484.gif?quality=lossless&name=ragey&size=48

[wheat jay]

Nothing personal, objective truth

You start at 1800, that's the norm now

You have to go negative winrate to end up below that

[sour crag]

I know you all are enjoying your view from 2k, but calling anything lower is not really comforting for us below.

[wheat jay]

He has fresh start now

Which is good for him

[lavish quest]

By base rating, I mean... you can't really lose more rating.

You technically can. But realistically you can't.

[fierce elm]

Just because its an objective truth doesnt mean it isnt mean

[sharp meteor]

u play long enough and go negi enough u can drop anywhere

[wheat jay]

He is in a good spot now

[sharp meteor]

its just most people quit by then lmao

[wheat jay]

Did you omit that?

[sharp meteor]

theres 500 mmr blitz matches that happen

and shuff

[slow solstice]

i have

[lavish quest]

Nah, you need to understand how the system works.
You notice how before 1200 you literally could not lose rating by losing?

[wheat jay]

Cuz rn by going fury, he is in a better position, fresh mmr, better spec, not held back by 1500 mmr hell

[lavish quest]

A minimum CR is guaranteed as long as you got wins to get up in the first place.

Somewhere in the 1200-1400 range

You could go 1000 losses and not go lower than that range

[sour crag]

I'm aware that you get massive gain of CR until around 1200, then it becomes a march through swamp with tons of 1 step forwards 2 step back unless you're autistically skilled at keeping track at everything.

[wheat jay]

You don't even need that

[slow solstice]

you dont need to track

just go in

[urban skiff]

in theory, someone out there is bound to have had only games of devokers and frostmages, At least one person will have had bad enough luck that their rating is significantly below where it would be if the game guaranteed you faced all classes and specs over time.

[slow solstice]

do damage

[wheat jay]

You need damage and minimum awareness of when to press your defensive

[lavish quest]

You thinking R1

Do big dam and don't die

[slow solstice]

this is h ow i know im taking damage

[lavish quest]

You 2k

[sour crag]

R1?

[slow solstice]

my hp bar chunks by 30%

or they transform

[wheat jay]

Top 0.1% in 3s

[slow solstice]

or summon something

[urban skiff]

Bigdam is sexy but can we please not normalize doing him for rating?

k thanks

[wheat jay]

Its called r1 by players

[lavish quest]

Not just 3s nerd