pvp

[fickle forge]

Already banned his outlaw rogue from playing with me

[drowsy yarrow]

Is there anywhere I can find a list of best spells to interrupt / reflect? Also looking for an updated list like this? Thanks! https://docs.google.com/document/d/11hRVyCOSuxB-t4LWoidRkhyFg37E6SwRbAQ-Xcftqj8/edit?usp=sharing

[wheat jay]

i can hate both?

[rancid granite]

buc nasty over here

[urban skiff]

Last updated feb 2023

[drowsy yarrow]

Ty

[rancid granite]

going back col after playing slayer fury is super awkward

😵‍💫

[urban skiff]

outdated already

everyone knows we got huge buffs in 11.0.7 and this is basically ancient history

[rancid granite]

you can just put in a crafting order for these @ afro

[urban skiff]

why you going back?

Thane is right there

[rancid granite]

... I've yet to try it lol

[urban skiff]

huh

Oh wait you're the other guy

I think

[rancid granite]

I'll have to q one round with it today

[drowsy yarrow]

I beleive he was just sharing it in regards to my question about omnibar profile. That wouldn't be outdated would it?

[urban skiff]

yeah, I'm just messing with him because I don't know what to do with myself now I have 3 weeks of christmas holiday

[drowsy yarrow]

lol i feel that

[urban skiff]

tomorrow will be 11 hours of BG3 and Blitz

The day after I'll be doiing all the chores I missed over the last 18 months

[sharp meteor]

like why would u ruin a perfect day with blitz

bg3 into blitz is like going out for a nice steak then washing it down with some water from a puddle on the sidewalk

[rancid granite]

some people like ketchup with their steak

[kind sentinel]

That sounds like some caster behavior

[boreal veldt]

man the isles would be a really fun pvp zone if anyone played on warmode or if there was a point to be in warmode

[sharp meteor]

rogues aren't people

[boreal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-player-speaking-wow-gif-27271750

[wheat jay]

what if I drown all the food I eat in garlic sauce

[fierce elm]

then you need help

[rancid granite]

there is a point to be in warmode, to pvp 🤷 (oh and extra bonuses or w/e)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZqmvA7rBV0

i always go back to this clip of conan lol

idk why theres no sound but ya

[rancid granite]

chad move then

[worldly grail]

so which spec are you running for Mountainthane? Im seeing a couple popping up but am unsure

[boreal veldt]

if the pop was higher in warmode it'd be more fun is what i'm meaning

[rancid granite]

i had a buncha good fights last night; then a group of 30 horde were roaming around

[fierce elm]

well there is one spec that can run it

[rancid granite]

my guild smashed them and they immediately gave up

[fierce elm]

unless you are a prot warrior and have issues irl

[wheat jay]

garlic sauce is the best thing

[worldly grail]

er I mean the specifics. My bad. Ive seen a few, one using champions spear one using roar

[wheat jay]

good pizza, some garlic sauce

sausage, mustard, im not an animal

sandwich, garlic sauce

[rancid granite]

mango habanero if garlic sauce missing

maybe chikfila sauce if youre feeling saucy

[wheat jay]

japaleno sauce for saucy stuff

[wheat jay]

im also a ketchup+garlic sauce enjoyer

for stuff like hot dogs

[fickle forge]

Fury into cleaves

[sharp meteor]

its into stacked pve stuff ye

does so much damagurs

[fickle forge]

Buff arms

[boreal veldt]

11.1: Hamstring damage buffed by 5%.

[fickle forge]

Make my spec able to do the same damage as the other melees

[boreal veldt]

We hear and we see you.
Mortal Strike nerfed by 5%.

[fickle forge]

Demolish now has a 50% miss chance

[boreal veldt]

[north thicket]

Demolish now casts a Clown transmog to the warrior, if the final blow fails

[lavish quest]

Demolish probably only lands 20% of the time anyways

[kind sentinel]

Demolish now deals damage to the warrior

[sterile moth]

@north thicket that’s exactly how it feels. I support this change

[exotic forge]

Bad mog = bad warrior

[sharp meteor]

Wish demo just worked like fyralath

doesn't fit warr or colo to have this delicate little easily disjointed thing

[exotic forge]

Because screw you that's why

[rancid granite]

immune all cc would be perf

[fickle forge]

Yeah I found the solution and how to land every Demolish

It's called TSG

[rancid granite]

i just went 0-6 as colossus and respecced back fury AMA

[sharp meteor]

had two triple warr lobbies today

need to buff slam and execute again

[fickle forge]

Was it fun?

[hasty pulsar]

It’s rough out here being a warrior

[rancid granite]

it would have been but there was a monk in game; ill take ice mage any day over any monk

[fickle forge]

MW I assume?

[rancid granite]

WW

they just annoy the hell outta me lol

[fickle forge]

Demolish does pretty good into WW so shoulda been okay

[rancid granite]

teammates wanted to chase bm / go the fury warrior

either way their kit just tilts me

[fickle forge]

You can turn anyone as colo though

You got enough burst to make calls

[sharp meteor]

shuff is like

games decided 90-120 secs in

who has buttons for stuff

when dmg starts to rly stick

[fickle forge]

You easily have 4M+ dmg in your pop, so you can just choose a target you can land it on and get stuff

[sharp meteor]

decent swap gonna force a trinket or two

then a wall and external

and they toast shortly after

[sharp meteor]

yeee

[rancid granite]

sometimes i just try to go along with the stubborn teammates shotcalling though

retrospect i shoulda been more vocal cause it didnt work

swaps back col spec

that and recraft to more haste i dont know how bless does it

[green wharf]

it does already

[fickle forge]

Yeah you should be the shotcaller

You're the only carry in your shuffle lobby

[rancid granite]

most of the time people go with it; sometimes theyre a bit too stubborn and wont listen

[boreal veldt]

delulu is the solulu

[rancid granite]

IT AINT FEEL RIGHT

need baseline high haste

then will want crit; no room for mastery

[boreal veldt]

once you give in to the nonsense that is trying to justify colossus as anything than gimmick and meme, you're free to build anything

come find me in the under 10% haste nut house

thats not true, im at 11% but still

[exotic forge]

I'm too deep to buy mastery gear for fury

We're hasty boys now

[rancid granite]

i got like 5 different sets

$_$

i wont do it again for s2 i think lol

[full quiver]

Ww feels like i5 does nothing and dies now

[rancid granite]

whatever that circle spell they use is the most annoying thing in game :p

[full quiver]

Ring of peace lol

[rancid granite]

and their punch/pummel sound effect is annoying too

[copper fox]

Thane into melee cleaves is the truth btw

I’m finishing @ 1.1-1.3m every game

@ 2.3 mmr

@sharp meteor it’s real

[sharp meteor]

ya ik

i been sayin

if u can sit there and box 2+ targets its insane

[green wharf]

and i think it have some value against ranged

due to slow from tclap

no need to care about harmstrig or howl

[sterile moth]

What’s the priority with thane?

[sharp meteor]

rampage

dont drop ww stacks

[slow solstice]

ramp > tb with enrage >

does thane play am or ra in pvp

i assume am

[exotic forge]

Get Spear Hand Struck, idiot

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-asian-boy-child-childish-gif-13894602

[chilly magnet]

prot pvp is more fun than arms or fury

[sharp meteor]

It is the most fun spec.

[spice hornet]

Ban these two immediately

The prot forums are located at pen island.com

[sharp meteor]

You can't take my shield from me

[boreal veldt]

Arms 11.1 rework: More modifiers.

It'd be nice not to have all of our main cds be nerfed in pvp

[urban skiff]

PVE Changes:
Warrior:
*damage increased by 10%
*size increased by 15%

PVP Warrior:
*damage decreased by 10%
*size decreased by 15% for non vulpera

(for the people who don't get the joke. that's a 1% pvp nerf disguised as net neutral change)

[urban skiff]

How many bad choices do I have to make, to make slam hit harder than raging blow?

[torn sigil]

Playing cata is a big enough one

[urban skiff]

oh shit, other pvp'ers are discovering the "CELL" addon

Only 1½ year behind pve'ers on newest addon tech

[urban skiff]

ehhhh

I went through a lot of chemo therapy during cata, I'm about 90% sure I can't play cata even if I wanted to

[slow solstice]

prob every single bad one

[urban skiff]

without throwing up

[slow solstice]

you beat the cancer/chemo

so you won

you can live without cata

[urban skiff]

But I can't live without SLAM

was there ever a clearer sign of incoming steamroll?

we so dead

[slow solstice]

too bad arms needs god

[urban skiff]

called it

[slow solstice]

idk bgb seems so aids

[urban skiff]

I just want to play a bit on my day off

luckily it's my trash warrior

I'm just about to lose it and try out elementalist enh instead of garbo storm (that plays super nice)

[urban skiff]

What's actually wrong with skullsplitter?

Why aren't people playiing it? seems a bit like a fire and forget button to press before bursting?

[exotic forge]

I feel like you hardly have time to press it

[urban skiff]

I think it should be pressed after troar before smash+avatar?

I can see how that would feel bad

[fierce elm]

Another button in a pretty bloated burst already

[green wharf]

because why would you torture yourself more with another damn button

its not like we have many to spare

[urban skiff]

Eh, macro it into droar or something as cast sequence.

Or spec out of disarm like a chad

[green wharf]

no thanks

i rather go fury

[urban skiff]

Brings me back to my earlier question. What bad choices do i need to make to have slam be a better button than rb?

[green wharf]

play with smf i guess

cause isnt better and i dont think it cn ever be

[urban skiff]

I don't think smf kills rb more than it kills slam

[fickle forge]

Didn't they remove all the Slam buffers with TWW?

[urban skiff]

Nah. There's one in general tree and they increased base damage by like 200%

[exotic forge]

Even with smf you don't ever use slam over rb

What is this logic

[exotic forge]

That's why it feels bad to press. Because you want to wait for roar to come off cd to do maximum damage

[urban skiff]

It's mostly just looking for ways to actively fuck with people

For example beating someone with slam and bt as main damage, no rbs

[fickle forge]

Roar is mid though

0 damage

Just hit it

[rancid granite]

5% dmg buff aint so bad

[fickle forge]

About all it's good for

I really wanna try frost TSG as colo arms

It felt great with UDK

Prob better with frost

[exotic forge]

Eh. I was referring to its synergy with Skullsplitter

[fickle forge]

Yeah I realised after I typed it out

[urban skiff]

roar is 45 sec, skullsplitter is 21 sec. I'd almost just say macro it to roar and roar -> skullsplitter every time

just don't appreciate giving them an extra global's warning to burst

[sharp meteor]

It makes the bleeds tick faster.

You have roar for every other split.

Idk why you'd macro anything.

[fickle forge]

Not like the bleeds burst anyway

Arms only has Mortal Strike right now

[sharp meteor]

Yeah it can be like an efficient global but it doesnt make al the bleeds expire insta

[fickle forge]

Every other button is piss

[sharp meteor]

you aren't getting a 50% health skull splitty now

its just a big dot

[fickle forge]

20% buff to OP frankly still makes it hit for nothing

I averaged 350k hits or so in a game

Like 😴

[urban skiff]

ok?

40% crit chance, smallest crit 550k

[fierce elm]

Karg is a hater

[fickle forge]

You're slayer right? Makes sense then

[urban skiff]

Unforts yea

[fickle forge]

What were you hitting into?

[urban skiff]

I'd be colossus but idk

Randos in blitz

Spent most the game in dstance because involuntary flag carrier

[fickle forge]

Ah okay

[urban skiff]

i don't think I'm loving the concept of slayer

at least for arms

[fickle forge]

Nah it ain't it

Arms is unfort very niche

It's playing vanilla while everyone else is in 2024

[elfin surge]

bro arms is so boring rn

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-real-the-struggle-gif-21322527

[verbal tangle]

Arms is always boring

You need that Fury dopamine rush

[elfin surge]

Arms has always been the most fun pvp spec in the game

[verbal tangle]

Bro never played Prot

[sharp meteor]

Not even the most fun warr spec

Unless you mean like Unchained

[verbal tangle]

Prot is actually a dopamine distributed

Dragon Charge EotS, ggez

[fickle forge]

Big Mortal Strike and Demolish is my dopamine rn

500k OP and Exe then takes it away again

[fierce elm]

Karg is a hpala main

dont listen to him

[boreal veldt]

i genuinely feel like they're gaslighting us, it doesn't feel buffed at all

[sterile moth]

Yeah but it can’t be dodged or parried!

So mostly fine.

[topaz hawk]

Yoo guys so slayer fury is still the meta according to pins in this chat or thane is better? I am new to WWI just wanna know :d

[copper fox]

Slayer is much easier to play and still probably best for most

Thane is good now into melee cleaves and like SP/melee but requires more uptime on some buffs

[fickle forge]

They should really rework colossus at this point bro

[fierce elm]

bro

bruski

broski

they should just rework

bro

Spec is DEAD accept it

[boreal veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[boreal veldt]

maybe if they add 5 more modifiers to mortal strike we'll be happy

all nerfed in pvp of course

like everything else in our kit

[exotic forge]

Day 879 of asking for arms rework

[rancid granite]

just like it instead of hating it and it'll be fixed

[exotic forge]

No

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[fickle forge]

I like winning

[rancid granite]

meh

trying to win more fun than winning

[fierce elm]

Kargish is slowly learning this as we play Outlaw/elemental

[exotic forge]

If you don't hate it then you don't really like the spec

Meditate on this

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/xnh-gif-27054145

[fierce elm]

brother the warrior set looks WILD for s2

[exotic forge]

No chainsaw helmet

[sharp meteor]

[fierce elm]

Cant wait to see how much theyfuck up the Paladin tier again

[sharp meteor]

Flappy wings.

[fierce elm]

Also 2 set being role while 4 set is spec is interesting

[sharp meteor]

Paw boots paw boots

[fierce elm]

Rogue set kinda GOOFY looking

[fickle forge]

I just want my spec to be functional bro

And not have a bunch of auto-lose opposition comps

[rancid granite]

it is functionable

i wonder what the highest ranking col is vs slayer

cant really rely on murlok for that i guess

[sharp meteor]

They're talents that you can switch.

[rancid granite]

yeah but you cant really tell which ones they winning as col though right

they could be swapping col getting stomped and loggin out

[sharp meteor]

Mhm.

[rancid granite]

but anyway arms isnt that far behind fury in ss.. if thats any metric for how good a spec is

[sharp meteor]

Most third party sites only show what people logged out as.

[wheat jay]

@fierce elm

[sharp meteor]

Evokers

[boreal veldt]

big rocket bonk hammer

surely colossus will be fixed to fit the theme of such a wep

[verbal tangle]

Crit stacker Prot War gaming

And it casts Shield Wall too

[sharp meteor]

Gonna actually crunch nerds witht hat.

well assuming it has a reasonable proc rate

[verbal tangle]

I mean if it procs into nerds they going to be hitting the fucking dirt real quick

Luck of the Meme > Shield Charge > Da Dick

Resetting SS was already goated

[torn sigil]

We may possibly be in for some gaming in S2

[dusty saddle]

looks like the same shit from the past 20y?

[fierce elm]

Okay?

It works

[dusty saddle]

wym by works

[fierce elm]

It looks cool

I think it looks cool

Hence it works for me

[fierce elm]

is that fucking tron looking set paladin

[rancid granite]

wth are these

link?

i thought the set you linked was legit season 2 of vanilla but it sounds like youre talking about tww s2

[fierce elm]

Yeah tww s2

[wheat jay]

possibly xD

[rancid granite]

i was thinking of this oops

wheres the LINK

[fierce elm]

Its a sick set

If the Tron set is Paladin they might have redeemed themselves

also the raid has arguably one of the coolest mounts to drop from it

this thing is fucking sick

Drifting, sick sets, sick mounts, looking to be a good patch so far

[rancid granite]

o okl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQ5lQ6Jf9E

[fickle forge]

For 3s and 2s bro

I don't really care for shuffle, you can win as dual wielding frost DK there

[boreal veldt]

this is an objectively hilarious line

[green wharf]

set would be good, if it didnt had socks for boots

big problem for most of the old sets

[rancid granite]

lol

[verbal tangle]

lol, he doesn't know what he speaks

[green wharf]

my warriors have big thick steel boots, not these flappy socks

[echo garden]

what to do with extra saddles??? ive got all the mounts and still have extras

[green wharf]

[green wharf]

keep for maybe later or throw it away

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-car-little-girl-rock-on-drifting-slide-gif-17805774

Everyone next patch

[echo garden]

good idea, thanks

[hot solstice]

its lazy, but if that crit chance goes on mortal not overpower or slam its cool

[fierce elm]

I aint reading into the tier set bonuses yet, just an interesting change

[urban skiff]

so aggressively trying to put same classes together

broooo blitz is just horrible today

[sharp meteor]

My man did not wanna press rend.

[sharp meteor]

It's always horrible, though.

[urban skiff]

not usually this bad

losing rating at 1600ish is fucking weird and not something I'm used to

what is going on with the matchmaker tonight

[limber relic]

idk ive been winning all day

[rancid granite]

zercher psyching himself out studying the damn MMR numbers

its impacting his gameplay before the match even starts 😔

[urban skiff]

pretty sure what's impacting my gameplay is my team mates

no matter how i stagger my queue I keep getting partnered with the same really awful priest

it's like there's only 24 people playing and we're just waiting full bgs for the healer to make it back into queue to lose another game with the next group

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-just-dont-look-gif-11904897

[urban skiff]

I just want to play my shaman

Or idk, bg3

Or get done on my warrior so I can move on to feral or rogue or hpal

[boreal veldt]

should just do blitz on rog and get a quick 2400

[rancid granite]

👎 it's lonely as hell

do it if you got netflix to binge on the 2nd monitor

[wheat jay]

My guy

Youre 1600

At 1700mmr

Youre gonna get terrible players

Gotta prove youre not one of them and climb

[urban skiff]

I was at 2k mmr before losing like 3 games. It just swings down like a rock on bad streaks

Finally got into games where MMR was above the starting MMR and having a good time. Queued today during mid day, knowing it was gonna be garbo. Killed MMR, and now playing is a bit miserable.

I get it, it's gonna be fine. I'm playing my garbage warrior alt because I want low stakes

but I also kinda just want warrior mog done with so I can play the other classes or maybe start playing space marine with my wife

[wheat jay]

Game averages your skill level to your teammates through mmr

It is what it is

[rancid granite]

just focus on yourself 😔

focusing so hard on mmr numbers and what your teammates are/aren't doing just gonna be an awful experience

[urban skiff]

usually I'm having fun even when I'm losing, but again, I want warrior done with with least effort and BGB is turning into significantly more effort than suffering through shuffle

[rancid granite]

well that sounds awful then if you dont wanna pvp and just grab a mog lol

[urban skiff]

Eh, I wanna pvp

[sharp meteor]

Blitz on warr is weird cos a lot of the stuff that goes wrong isn't really your job

[urban skiff]

but I also want to keep my warrior up to date on sets and i want to try some other specs soon. I don't have a lot of fun jumping a lot between alts, I want want done then hyper focus next

[sharp meteor]

blitz is, like, easier but also

harder in terms of like time and mental

[urban skiff]

yeah that's what I'm feeling too. My shaman blitz was easy as pie. Solo defend or take bases vs 2+ enemies no problem.

[sharp meteor]

because going waterworks and your hunter loses 1v1 to a rogue in 4 seconds because he's taking a sip of his beer

it's just

tiresome to get so many games like that

[urban skiff]

slow down EFC for rest of team to catch, fun too on shaman

[sharp meteor]

efc tanking 6 people for 5 mins

my fc trinkets sap gets 1-shot through evasion fear bolt

[urban skiff]

My last WSG had two healer priests as EFC. They just took turns holding flag and jumping down, to get girpped back up when things got dicy

idk how I always end up with people who keel over to 1-2 people killing FC while EFC tanks everybody at once, including me with strategic sharpen blades

maybe I'm just too used to RBGs

[torn sigil]

Don't even go near the efc without full cds berserker and 5 stacks at least

[verbal tangle]

@sharp meteor Prot tierset + Immovable Object stonks

[sharp meteor]

watch the uptime be like 4% or something

[verbal tangle]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[north thicket]

Do you think there is a chance for gladiator pvp to be viable in s2?
I would personally be quite thankful for a small talent reshuffle and tunning of the prot tree. No way Revenge is so weak on < 3 targets and half of the Colossus tree is about it... Also, why Bladestorm has been taken away from prot?

Wait, what is the interaction between prot tierset and immovable object? Any chance it would also activate the avatar?

[sharp meteor]

Pardon

[urban skiff]

i might do that

[urban skiff]

pretty sure i don't use revenge anymore

[north thicket]

So pardon is the dev answer for taking away BS from prot? :))))

[sharp meteor]

Nah, don't press revenge.

[urban skiff]

i only use the free revenge procs

or maybe they're not free and I'm dumb

idk

[north thicket]

Yeah, sure, but it doesn't make sense for it to be so undertuned and in the same time one has to pick the rev talents in colossus

what a stupid waste of a hero talent

btw this is quite okay in m+ but you also pick another 5 talents that boost revenge and most of the time you have 3+ targets

Tough as Nails is an absolute joke in both pve and pvp

[verbal tangle]

PvE is for sub-brick IQ players

[north thicket]

if you would compare it with Thorns and Eye for an eye. The latter even got buffed to reflect magic dmg

[verbal tangle]

We only play pvp here

[north thicket]

yeah, that's the point - the prot main rage spender revenge is a joke in pvp

it's like you are playing just a half of your class/specialization when a number of mandatory talents and skills have a 0 impact on your game

[verbal tangle]

Revenge is a joke regardless

You just have to click it for pve because fuck you

[exotic forge]

Holy pally and resto druids are getting another rework before arms does

[onyx marlin]

no more banner

Sharpen Blade (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Now empowers your next Mortal Strike after you cast Colossus Smash or Warbreaker.

[exotic forge]

So essentially, more or less the same cooldown

That berserker shout tho

[simple rock]

so lame

[fickle forge]

They really nerfing arms

Man

[simple rock]

it was a niche pick in this meta, but rewarded skillful use vs rogues/feral comps

also countered boring ass fdk comps

[fickle forge]

I was using banner yeah

Oh they nerfing colossus too

Sick

[exotic forge]

They're giving us Dragon Charge for all specs and it replaces leap as a pvp talent

Endurance training being merged into reinforced plates is a nice change tho

[idle falcon]

i have a feeling i want to play death wish

[verbal tangle]

Where are the patch notes?

[idle falcon]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/undermine-ptr-development-notes-huge-class-changes-unveiled/

[exotic forge]

Still a nothing burger for warriors tbh

[hot solstice]

lmao

who asked?

[torn sigil]

Who asked for this? 100% serious

[fickle forge]

Oh wait dude they just replaced it that's all

[violet fossil]

@fickle forge did they remove the 50% ma?

ms*

[torn sigil]

Arms 9/11?

[verbal tangle]

Yes

And Barbarian

[hot solstice]

rip 2021-2025

[verbal tangle]

I guess we all playing Prot now

Arms and Fury just got shat on

[torn sigil]

Unironically

[violet fossil]

some people saying it keeps the same 50% ms

[torn sigil]

Literally the exact opposite of the way you use sharpen

We already knew the devs don't play the game but wow

[simple rock]

they just want to prune abilities because they think that's one of the main reasons people aren't participating in pvp

I agree that some specs do have too many binds, but that's not why pvp is dead lol

[hot solstice]

even more reason to not play cc comps now

like what point of sharpen if enemy healer is ccd anyway

[torn sigil]

And they'll keep skullsplitter and not buff it

You sharpen out of cc

But you'll never have sharpen now anyway lol

[fickle forge]

Ye but it's not about binds, it's about all the shit that are in the kits these days

Every class has 10 DRs and 50 mobility spells

[simple rock]

how does it encourage talent diversity if you remove the talents that make a spec interesting

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-things-throwing-a-fit-tantrum-angry-pissed-gif-18091201488917551893

[torn sigil]

Anyone who uses space to refer to anything other than actual physical volume or area is 70 iq

[hot solstice]

new banner only works on 1 cc?

[torn sigil]

Gameplay space

Guess so

Lol

[north thicket]

I am not sure that this is the case when reading thru other classes changes... 😦

[hot solstice]

so now overpower buffs mortal by 4%?

[simple rock]

haven't read everything, but they removed ancestral guidance for shaman too

[boreal veldt]

why does arms feel like it's getting nerfed overall

[torn sigil]

The berserker rage and sharpen changes are straight up nerfs or am I not seeing something?

[rancid granite]

RIPAROONI

if you guys dont like warrior changes be happy youre not rogue

dragon charge to all specs gonna be bis at least

[fickle forge]

RIP sub rogue

[torn sigil]

Well if it's still gonna be nerfed in pvp is dragon charge gonna be good?

[rancid granite]

jk barbarian removed which is more sad than the sub rogue change

[north thicket]

The MS and Cleave changes open some viability for Cleave usage in PvP? It won't be that disturbing the spend the OP buff on a Cleave now?

[torn sigil]

Say sike right now

[simple rock]

this talent is ludicrous if dmg stays the same

[torn sigil]

Don't worry you can pre zerker rage the ice barrier pop now

Guess they don't want sharpen to be mandatory

[simple rock]

if I had to guess, they removed berserker shout but didn't include it in the patch notes

[torn sigil]

Literally the only reason you bring a warrior

[rancid granite]

we still got what 1 month for release? thats a lot of time for more changes

[north thicket]

I won't be surprised if they make you spend both 1 talent point and 1 pvp talent to pick the zerker rage

Warriors are usually charged with a convenience fee

[fickle forge]

Lmfao

[torn sigil]

0.5s chaos bolts

[sly quiver]

u can never replace healthstone

never

impossible

[north thicket]

why that? curious about it. leap is already good what would it provide on top of it? not even a root breaker

[fickle forge]

Who the fuck sat down and thought this would be useful?

[rancid granite]

is that what overrides heroic leap means? turns leap into charge? so nevermind i guess :(

[sullen kestrel]

I mean guys they really said that warriors are too squishy and then proceed to remove our best sustain pvp talent battle trance? Am i dreaming?

[north thicket]

yeah, that's how I read it - replaces leap wtf...

[rancid granite]

barbarian talent was like 90% of the reason why im fury too :(

[verbal tangle]

And they skullfucked Endurance Training too

[north thicket]

the endurance training change is a win

[sullen kestrel]

Battle trance removed is insane imo was the only thing that could keep u alive in a 1v1

[fickle forge]

It did nothing tbh

[north thicket]

and you get a bonus +1% dmg, -%area of effect dmg taken, access to wild strikes

[verbal tangle]

Losing the CC portion of it?

[north thicket]

the 10% on fear sap gouge? sorry, not an expert but I find it quite unimpactful for a warr

more like a sorry excuse for a cc reduction

[simple rock]

would've MAYBE been ok vs shadowy duel but they removed that soo

[rancid granite]

f'd up

[sullen kestrel]

Idk man was the only thing that could heal you passively even when disarmed stunned when they were kiting you or behind a pillar

[rancid granite]

i might have to rejoin rogue discord to watch the meltdown over shadowy duel

mmmmm

[torn sigil]

Beast Mastery

• Developers’ notes: We’re happy with how Beast Mastery Hunter is playing and performing

[north thicket]

Storm of Destruction (PvP Talent) now additionally functions with Demolish.
^ 60% slow and 25% MS?

[fickle forge]

Stop

[torn sigil]

At least we didn't get it as bad as dks

Did any other class get nerfed hard?

[onyx marlin]

?

no

and its still mandatory

[rancid granite]

shadowy duel removal just cracking me up

[onyx marlin]

you dont have an extra pvp talent, its just that sharpen will be passive now

and only actives when you press colossus

[onyx marlin]

about time, dumbest skill ever designed

tbh

[north thicket]

95% of dev resources for these notes went for hunters 🤣 like 3 pages of changes

[onyx marlin]

wat

ah, anger management

yeah

i think it will stay almost the same

buff or nerf depends, every1 was using colossus+sharpen before, but id preffer to have it separately just like now, on the other hand... after the patch its one less button to press so idk xD

[hot solstice]

well

15% to mortal

I hope u remember what happened when they made 30% mortal buff instead of 15%

[fickle forge]

This patch is looking like the hottest garbage

I fucking hate the effects

Haven't seen the visuals though

[rancid granite]

the monk set looks straight anime cool as hell lmao

naruto goku monkey king vibes

lol

[exotic forge]

That monk set looks so Sun Wukong themed

[rancid granite]

warrior set lookin generic though 😔

[torn sigil]

someone gets benefits and a pension for this

btw

or maybe not its blizz lol

[exotic forge]

Good thing I love purple

[sharp meteor]

kind of wish elite sets were usually just the coolest color

[full quiver]

Yeah purple one is sick

[sharp meteor]

esp something edgy like black and red

and on fire

ya if drawin a blank just grab an old set and upscale it

tomb sets went insane

probably some of the best elite sets in cruel

[boreal veldt]

whats wild is if execute no longer gives colossus stacks then we can just take it off bars lmao

thats actually hilarious

[rancid granite]

colossus stacks are for big dam abilities - so that means not execute

-blizzard

[boreal veldt]

i'm genuinely concerned about out class points though, making reinforced plates and wep spec 2 points sounds crazy on paper

gotta wait and see how they moved around the tree i guess

[rancid granite]

still a month or so for them to change things too

[boreal veldt]

if i believe that then i really am becoming #1 colossus cope

[fickle forge]

Yeah I don't think I'll press it at all as colo

It heals the enemy and now it doesn't even feed my hero spec

[boreal veldt]

which means we're sitting on a dead sudden death talent lmfaoooo

[fickle forge]

Yeah I'll spec out, but lowkey don't know what I'd replace it with

Cleave isn't an option

[rancid granite]

execute is just what sharpen blade was

':)

[fickle forge]

They just gotta buff up Execute

So it isn't a double cost Slam

Give me MoP classic and I'm gone from this game

[boreal veldt]

who's driving this arms class short bus

[fickle forge]

Should do it now while it's still functional

They're nerfing MS burst too so

[boreal veldt]

whoever went through warr changes needs a talking to, they just buffed rend by 15% and now they're nerfing all our bleeds anyway

[exotic forge]

bro who the hell is the arms dev lmao

[hot solstice]

How?

[fickle forge]

OP stacks nerf

[hot solstice]

Sec

[frank knoll]

Fellas
No more shadowy duel in 11.1

[fickle forge]

Think they'll remove OP nerf now they're cutting the buff in half?

Probably not

Enjoy +9% MS buff

[rancid granite]

wasn't the heal reduc from sharpen blade the staple for arms though

same as shadowy duel for sub kinda well worse

[boreal veldt]

it's still a heal reduction, now it's just tied to our go instead of being an on use cc

[rancid granite]

only after every CS right

[boreal veldt]

ye, first ms after cs will be sharpened

[fickle forge]

Saved

[rancid granite]

that still sounds absolutely awful

[boreal veldt]

its trash

i mean it's not the worst but not being able to hold it for a pseudo healer cc chain feels bad

[rancid granite]

yeah the whole point seemed like control over it

not died to a go or burst or whatever

at least it'll still exist in some form

[boreal veldt]

our class dev really thinks they're cooking

when really they're fuckin Nomi over here

get em out the kitchen

[fickle forge]

I'm dropping Roar now

And defaulting to Spear

15% dmg buff to MS when it already hits 2M-3M on pop

Could actually be pretty okay

[boreal veldt]

oh 100% dropping roar

[fickle forge]

They're apparently playing Spear in PvE with colo rn

So definitely gonna do it in PvP too

[boreal veldt]

they officially killed augvoker in pvp though, so thats a plus

[median sierra]

Hello all I just Will havé know if the New ring is available for pvp?

[verbal tangle]

How?

[boreal veldt]

they can no longer buff healers at all

[verbal tangle]

Oof

[boreal veldt]

nvm thats raid only, they still fine in groups

[verbal tangle]

:livege:

[boreal veldt]

oh wait, lemme walk that back again

[verbal tangle]

You fucker lol

[rancid granite]

no roar; no thunderclap either? no bleed arms build???

[verbal tangle]

No Arms build lol

[fickle forge]

It may be deadge finally

[verbal tangle]

It's arguably a buff

Since now it always goes to dps

[fickle forge]

In arena it's a nerf

[verbal tangle]

Well yeah

[fickle forge]

Which is good

Aug should be tank spec levels of viable

[verbal tangle]

You act like Prot War isn't viable

You act like tanks aren't viable at all

[fickle forge]

They aren't

And any time they are, the game is awful and it gets nerfed so we can play again

Prot warr is the most acceptable one because it's basically a fat dps when it's a thing

[sharp meteor]

Prot warr is.

[fickle forge]

Nobody is getting rating with it though

[boreal veldt]

our 11.1 talent calculator is up and lmfao we're cooked

[boreal veldt]

ok its not that bad probably

[verbal tangle]

I mean it entirely depends on the proc rate of the Prot set

Because getting free Avatars because someone hit you is fucked

[urban skiff]

Holy shit those patch notes

[exotic forge]

This is such a meme

[urban skiff]

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD

2h enhancement confirmed

secret tech for the rest of season 1: We can skip sudden death talent at no cost

[boreal veldt]

i think this was known for a bit, just never talked about

we all thought it was intended lmao

[urban skiff]

heh

oh well, we're about to see warrior fall behind again, not because those changes are bad in any way

but they sure seem like they want to prop up the "caster melee" classes like enh, dk, feral, etc

oh and DH

[torn sigil]

Bro the changes are dogfaeces and they did dks even worse

[urban skiff]

you say that, but first comes the 11.1 murder to dk

then comes 11.0.5 with a "rework rework" see ret pala rework

[boreal veldt]

"we like where warr is right now"
in the doghouse

[urban skiff]

Warrior is amazing at being the steadystate class

Sometimes they remember that everybody else was brought up and then they bring warrior up to again be the top end of average.

[boreal veldt]

yeah i mean it's not in a terrible spot but there is nearly no rational to their changes and tuning

[urban skiff]

I don't understand the removal of battle trance and berserker

[boreal veldt]

i cant believe dragon charge is going mainstream too, just what pvp needs, more goddamn knocks

[urban skiff]

how many is this now?

[urban skiff]

i don't know if I'm loving or hating it

other classes don't have essential damage cooldowns in their class tree gatekept by 2/2 mandatory talents

[exotic forge]

Button bloat is all I can think of

[torn sigil]

they already said it was button bloat

more or less

[exotic forge]

let's add more then

[urban skiff]

they're removing sharpen as a button so that's fine

[exotic forge]

[urban skiff]

actually it's a huge buff, right?

We can sharpen twice as often

[exotic forge]

You could see it that way

[urban skiff]

I also suspect we'll see cleave played more, idk why that is right now

[exotic forge]

also, Dragon Charge on all specs seems so memey

[urban skiff]

yeah it's gonna be amazing

maybe it won't slow down when carrying flag now

at least i'm gonna go on PTR and report that as many times as it takes

[exotic forge]

It will in Blitz for sure, but normal bg's 50/50

You can strafe left and right during the animation slightly

[urban skiff]

eh, not gonna feel that much

just be a way to strafe edges and maybe not fall off

hahahahhaa

get fucked casters, hpal gonna rule the world

[urban skiff]

looks like we have to pve if we want 4set early

also season gearing slowed down by 1½ weeks worth of conq

[fierce elm]

(4) Set Bonus: When you lose your Winning Streak! you get the last Holy Power spent back, and for 4 seconds you cannot lose Holy Power and the damage of your Holy Power abilities are increased by 10%.

RET HELLO

[urban skiff]

where are you finding the set bonuses?

[exotic forge]

They released the set bonuses preview

[urban skiff]

I'm still digesting the patchnotes

[fierce elm]

Wowhead dropped all

[exotic forge]

Also am I reading this tooltip right? 1 sec cooldown?

[urban skiff]

nah, that's prot

arms increases cd

[fierce elm]

Warrior being turned into Overpowwr bot is pretty hilarious

[urban skiff]

idk why wowhead doesn't have that bit

[urban skiff]

they're also shifting our damage from overpower and execute back to MS

so idk

[fierce elm]

Yeah looking at sets only rn

before I go to work sick lmao

[urban skiff]

some highlights: You can sharpen twice as often, because it is now baked into next MS after casting CS

[fierce elm]

Preemptive Maneuver Feint decreases your damage taken by an additional 40% while stunned and its energy cost is reduced by 30%

hello

[urban skiff]

holy shit that looks incredibly boring and annoying

[fierce elm]

Also seems like if you run 2 set you run 4 set

[urban skiff]

wdym?

oh nvm, i get it

[fierce elm]

Yeah

[urban skiff]

I'm kind of over overpower being a good button

it should be a slam replacement

[fierce elm]

everyone almost has the 15% chance to reset stacks

and 4 set is based around that

[urban skiff]

haha

[exotic forge]

Are we sure Mortal Strike is our signature ability?

cuz I feel like I press Overpower more

[urban skiff]

idk what they're doing to shaman but i foresee them turning into powerhouses

[exotic forge]

and seeing this doesn't help

[boreal veldt]

our signature ability is hamstring

[urban skiff]

they're certainly trying to lean into MS again

[exotic forge]

There's the problem though

Martial Prowess is still in the game

[urban skiff]

I guess until they remember that people absolutely hate that a 4 sec ability hits for millions and they reel it back in for another expansion

[exotic forge]

And bear in mind, it's still nerfed in pvp

[urban skiff]

they should have nerfed it in pvp by reducing stacks to 1 in pvp

[exotic forge]

Or just, y'know

remove it entirely

And buff MS by a ton to compensate

[urban skiff]

slight increase in situations where you end up OP -> MS -> OP -> MS and net neutral in other situations

[fierce elm]

I wonder of the 4 set is at all nerfed in PvP outside of the damage aspect

Because ret getting 4 seconds of no Holy Power cost can be wild

Hpala getting spellwarding is also absurd

[urban skiff]

oh trust me, something is gonna be fucked with that. Enh 4set right now gives a chance to summon a wolf. You can't summon half a wolf, so it nerfs what the wolf does. It's weird spaghetti code

[fierce elm]

Also, this would mean that I can crank out 4 set on all my characters in the first 2 weeks of the season

[urban skiff]

PVP nerfs to abilities that do [1 thing when another thing] get weird fast

[urban skiff]

that's what I'm thinking too

Still gonna be limited by access to base items, but that's what bloody tokens can help with

[fierce elm]

Yeah, and if they go the same gearing route as we did this season

You can grab a ton of pieces early

[urban skiff]

yup

Bloody Token gear is like secret tech

Lot of people sneering at it and feeling too good to use it as intermittent gearing options

"i DoNt Do WoRlD qUeStS"

[fierce elm]

I dont like the Outlaw ones

that shit weird

(2) Set Bonus: Your spells and abilities have a chance to activate a Winning Streak! increasing the damage of your Dispatch by 6%, stacking up to 5 times. Dispatch has a 15% chance to remove Winning Streak!
(4) Set Bonus: Roll the Bones has a 12% increased chance of granting additional combat enhancements and also applies 1 stack of Winning Streak! for each combat enhancement granted. Stacks applied by Roll the Bones can exceed the normal Winning Streak! maximum 5.

Although this would mean that Outlaw has what, a 25% baseline to get 2 enhancements

along with maybe loaded die

which would mean you would see 3+ commonly

[urban skiff]

blizzard once again demonstrating they don't know what to do with outlaw

[fierce elm]

that too lmao

[urban skiff]

too afraid to lean into one pirate fantasy, so it's a weird mix of combat and outlaw fantasy

kind of same with enhancement, except we can choose and they seem to support both styles

[fierce elm]

I dont like the fact that you are sort of forced into 4 set

due to how it works

[urban skiff]

check class changes if you haven't yet

[urban skiff]

Am I reading marksmanship right? Are they just removing pets from them?

Goodbye barrage lol

[fierce elm]

this is CRACKED

straight up

[fierce elm]

New glad mount

looks like we are only getting bats

[sharp meteor]

Threeeee bats.

[fierce elm]

Also putting a damage threshold on all the CC is a wild decision

instead of breaking insta on damage

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

The fuck is this vicious mount though

[wheat jay]

Fish

Eel?

[fierce elm]

eel

[wheat jay]

Looks better rhan glad mount lmao

[urban skiff]

holey fuck that kinda cute

[urban skiff]

I think they're rolling back the outliers so they can bring back the mobility outliers afterwards

notice they took away barbarian as well

[fierce elm]

WARBRINGER MY BELOVED

[urban skiff]

nobody even plays warbringer anymore

[fierce elm]

I still like it

its a vibe

[urban skiff]

but I'd play it if they made slaughterhouse and sharpen baseline for pvp

even over duel or disarm

Watching Dan Da Dan with the wife and just fucking straight up traumatized by the "a kinder world" episode

You can't put that shit in a show. Parents watch it

[fierce elm]

Why are the Monk set designers cooking so fucking hard

20th anniversary set, s1 set, now s2 set

are they CRACKED

kinda sad they didnt just go with the Goblin theme and went all out on it

[urban skiff]

lmao

kt human in goblin wasteland set looks stupid funny

[steep inlet]

i dont pvp on retail since 1 year +

but i checked patch

The following PvP talents have been removed:

Shadow of the Colossus
War Banner

:/

some cool things tho

[scarlet barn]

I still hate they are removing Barbarian...I know it wasnt used in actual pvp. But it made my open world life easier

[urban skiff]

i love barbarian

it's great when there's a weak link dps in shuffle who can't deal with things outside their script

[green wharf]

@boreal veldt is in shambles now

btw, i like this bit

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[urban skiff]

I genuinely think they removed barbarian just because they can't make it work with dragon charge

[green wharf]

they removed barbarian because mages were prob complaning warriors could get into then once between their infinite blinks

[urban skiff]

x to doubt

[green wharf]

why they are killing this dead horse?

no one picked this shit when it was 1-node, why would we pick when its 2

they are even making 2h specialization 2 nodes, like fuck me, we have so much to spare right

[urban skiff]

what are you talking about

[green wharf]

ah i was confusing with SMF

though they were making that 2node

[urban skiff]

yeah i thought so

[green wharf]

yep, collossus officially killed

3 years to get all 10 stacks now

[urban skiff]

nah bro

you don't cast executes enough for it to really make a difference. I expect colossus arms to really overtake when we get s2 tier set

[green wharf]

you mix executes from sudden death to quickly get the stack

[urban skiff]

wait, did they take out the talent that makes CM stacks increase OP damage?

[green wharf]

doing with MS only it will take longer

[urban skiff]

sudden death is 1.7 PPM

[green wharf]

Reckless Abandon nerfed

[urban skiff]

you're losing almost 2 stacks of colossal might per minute

[green wharf]

what

[urban skiff]

sudden death procs almost twice per minute

[green wharf]

which is better than 0

[urban skiff]

I mean yeah

[green wharf]

more if you are cleaving

[urban skiff]

cleave gives a separate stack now, pick up the talent

[green wharf]

more if you are on execute window

[urban skiff]

if you're on execute window you're missing out on stacks but

did you see arms 2set/4set?

You're going to be playing at max stacks for longer now and use demolish to finish someone off

[green wharf]

no, it prob gonna be shit on pvp as well

the only good change imo seems like the endurance training and armor bit

the rest is uncalled for, pointless or a nerf

[urban skiff]

I think we're missing a numbers pass and the 2nd PTR wave

[green wharf]

all i see is dragon roar and other bleeds nerfed, nodes increasing to 2 points, Reckless Abandon nerfed MS buffed but the overpower stack to it nerfed, why not just remove this?

at least warlock changes look good

at least dragon charge is for everyone, but cant use rooted, so mages won in the end

[steep inlet]

i can still stay unsub game still shite

[wary delta]

dude

did they shaft warrior or am I just reading this shit wrong

[wheat jay]

possibly

its got some undesirable changes

[wary delta]

berserker roar seems really nice

[wheat jay]

just new banner

[hot solstice]

It’s not nice at all

Either chose to remove fear or reduce inc cc

When u could have both before

And I don’t quite understand how will it work

Suppose it’s 1 next cc

But only 1 or 1 per teammate

[fierce elm]

who knows

[green wharf]

it is also another PVP talent that you need to pick from 2 mandatory ones

well at least we are not MM hunters

they got fucked so bad

[exotic forge]

But we get dragon charge on all specs

[urban skiff]

i think you meant to say prot loses leap and doubles cd on dragon charge

[tight rain]

Berserker Roar require Berserker Shout?
Martial prowess was already Nerf in PvP (from 30 to 10), now is 15% base in PvE but don't know if still nerfed in PvP

Colossus with demolish stacks and bleeds nerfs is gonna be worse, wowhead already have the calculator ready

[urban skiff]

I plan to go on ptr, play a bit and then write a feedback on martial prowess and suggesting they unnerf its % in pvp but keep it nerfed on number of stacks to 1 instead of 2.

[urban skiff]

not sure what you mean

[tight rain]

Nothing, just speaking to myself there

[urban skiff]

you're gonna be holding demolish for colossus smash and maybe roar anyways so you'll be spending around 20 seconds (?) per CM being full stacked. More if you spec into cleave and have 3 targets around you.

[hot solstice]

I would simply change overpower dam bonus to crit chance+buff mortal by qnother 5% to compensate=problem fixed

[urban skiff]

the set bonus 2+4 increases overpower damage by a lot, so I expect we'll see some really chunky overpowers that we follow up with stormbolt demolish -> fatalitystacked execute

Idk if I'm being optimistic, but I think that might feel more fun

like flow better

[exotic forge]

That set bonus is just asking you to play Colo

[fickle forge]

It already is unnerfed

I'm unbinding Exe though

[urban skiff]

nah, but start using it to blow a big fatality stack

after demolish crit

and after OP crit

[green wharf]

i think dragon charged got nerfed as well

longer cd and cant use rooted

[tight rain]

And replace leap

[fickle forge]

I don't know what Fatality hits for atm, but frankly I may as well just spec out of all Exe talents

[green wharf]

what

no it doesnt

[green wharf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/416451802712768522/1116501700912615434/image0.gif

o m fucking god

[north thicket]

That's arguably the most OP (4) set bonus in the batch

[fierce elm]

eh

e h

Holy Power gain is never an issue

you gain so much holy power its wild

But I guess getting 4-5 Final Verdicts off could be neat

[north thicket]

You would do 2 back-to-back Hammer of Light without issues

[fierce elm]

but it all comes down to tuning passes anyways

Hammer of light, the thing that has a cooldown

With one of them being a free charge of it

and the 5hp not being an issue to generate for the first one

[north thicket]

yeah, you are right

but is there a better 4p for dd in the patch

who won the lottery this time

[fierce elm]

Outlaw 4 piece is looking mighty nutty

if it works the way everyone is speculating

25% chance to get 5 bonuses from RTB is pretty big

but the 2 piece sucks

[hot solstice]

feint changes r broken

[fierce elm]

@urban skiff you know about that goblin theme

we were talking about

[fierce elm]

Yeah, but Outlaw and Sub are losing huge PvP talents

Leather Aspirant set is pretty goblin themed

[green wharf]

it look pretty dope actually

[rancid granite]

sub's talent was like huge outlaws are just lil dps increases doesnt change any playstyle lol

[green wharf]

all the sets

goblin aesthethic is cool af

[fierce elm]

Outlaw is losing its best pvp talent

w d y m

Into GARBANZO beans

[green wharf]

my goblin hunter was all about having mechanic shit and mechanic pet

[rancid granite]

its just baselin stat increase

[fierce elm]

Enduring Brawler, never forgotten

[rancid granite]

boring anyway

[green wharf]

but they removed pets from MM

[fierce elm]

Enduring Brawler added onto sinister strikes

MM should be a pet-less spec dont @ me

[green wharf]

it should be an option, but now you are neither

cause you cant pick a pet, and you cant be petless either

cause you have a fucking bird now

[fickle forge]

Blizz really went ahead and showed us we're 3rd prio in their eyes

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[fierce elm]

Wouldnt be patch note day if Karg wasnt dooming

[fickle forge]

You like the mount bro?

[fierce elm]

I dont mind it

But thats like, my opinion man

[green wharf]

isnt the glad mount suppose to make sense with the expansion

[urban skiff]

Looking good to me.

[green wharf]

why the hell is this the second undercity bat

[fickle forge]

You can't have those?

[fierce elm]

They are downgrading it, prepping to release it for solo shuffle and 2s

[urban skiff]

Wish it was more rusty coloured armour and a bit more contrast on skin

[green wharf]

i like when the glad mounts are shit so i dont need to buy any rush

[rancid granite]

its a cool shadowlands mount

[fickle forge]

Ya'll go ride this thing then

[green wharf]

worst wow expansion

[fickle forge]

Imma stick to the drakes

[fierce elm]

lmao

you arent gonna get the glad mount anyways

fuck you mean

[copper fox]

This berserker change is the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen

Who the fk made these patch decisions

[fierce elm]

Oh my GOD THESE CHANGES DUMBEST SHIT IVE EVER SEEN

[copper fox]

Facts

Losing a base line ability we’ve used regularly since 2004 lol

[fickle forge]

I definitely ain't gonna try

[fierce elm]

Warriors: We want reworks
Also Warriors: Losing a base line ability from 2004

YOU WOULDNT GET IT ANYWAYS

[fickle forge]

It's not a REWORK man

[fierce elm]

You are literally leaving for months

[fickle forge]

They're just combining buttons

[green wharf]

why a rogue player is talking about warriors

smh

[fierce elm]

Hey, one might call that a rework

[copper fox]

Wait you call this a rework lol

It’s just a reduction

[fierce elm]

I mean thats fair

[green wharf]

removing a baseline ability -> making a pvp talent choice

[fickle forge]

All it does is force me out of piercing howl if I wanna play banner

Dumb af

[green wharf]

rework 😮

[copper fox]

Listen we all just have to play tsg now

So we never need to press a slow

[fickle forge]

DK just got nerfed

[copper fox]

I saw lol

Rip

[fierce elm]

Also, not to say anything because I might be reading this wrong

[north thicket]

This 'rework' is what warrs get for not being vocal enough as a community

[fierce elm]

but

they arent remoiving berserker rage