pvp

[fierce elm]

Dont want the LEAN TEENAGER look either

[urban skiff]

Tbh i don't look super nice at 100kg and 26% bf. I think 90-93 is the ideal spot for me.

7kg lost should roughly bring bf down near 20

[fierce elm]

I mean, I just want forearm veins more lmao

[lavish quest]

Gonna have to cut out the twinkies then big man

[urban skiff]

Cut out the twinkie to become the twinkie..

[fierce elm]

BUT ITS SO GOOD

[lavish quest]

[urban skiff]

Or just play disc priest

[lavish quest]

This man is clearly drugged out

[azure geyser]

Nice

[rancid granite]

makin friends already

[copper fox]

It’s honest feedback imo

Coulda been worse

[fierce elm]

Sounds like solo shuffle lmao

[lavish quest]

That's not really feedback lmao

There's a chance just another loser bitching about the class for all we know

[rancid granite]

i try to ask for advice in those situations but

1/2 of them have nothing to say cause they know even less

meanwhile the otherside of SS no one shows :)

[hasty pulsar]

so tired of mages tbh

they should let everyone ban a single class and just never see them again

[rancid granite]

it'd be monks for me

windwalkers

[copper fox]

Glad you took that seriously 😏

[lavish quest]

[cursive nest]

guys someone please give me TLDR on how to damage as Fury? leveled one just to get to 1800 for set but I'm just smashing my head on the keyboard and tried searching for guides on YT but couldn't find a clear explanation

[hasty pulsar]

just smashing your head on the keyboard should work

[cursive nest]

what's prio tho I assume onslaught>rampage>execute>raging blow>bloodthirst ?

loosely

[hasty pulsar]

maybe try arms, you may be an arms enjoyer

[cursive nest]

having fun with fury atm ngl

last time I played war was maybe legion

[rancid granite]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UPB2UuZOLCqUsROHdwdtZmiJ2EWWklj4ea7FBE5Mwvo/edit?tab=t.0

smash rampage when it lights up

use everything else to build rage for rampage

ez

[cursive nest]

perfect much love

[lavish quest]

Press the buttons that do more damage, more

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/mAZTbVjmQQo

how useful is this?

[hasty pulsar]

anyone know an addon or weak aura that can show stun/fear dr on nameplates or something similar

[urban skiff]

Big debuffs probably.

But go check skillcapped ui guide on YouTube. It's absolutely excellent and you don't have to download their entire pack if you just want parts of it

[hasty pulsar]

ok thanks

[urban skiff]

Where we at today boys?

[fierce elm]

FUCK IT WE BALL

[urban skiff]

Playing healer still so it's We vibing

My arms is Fuck it we ball and my feral is obviously LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

[rancid granite]

im back to outlaw rogue and having fun so WE VIBING

[lavish quest]

We play warrior, we are eternally

It's so over

[fierce elm]

Outlaw is vibing

[lavish quest]

I've playing MH world so I've been "we vibing"

[urban skiff]

World is good. Rise is better. Fucking is best.

As a gunlance main, rise is the goat

[lavish quest]

First MH game. Was on a good sale

[urban skiff]

Enjoy the journey

Rise is like indulging in desert.

Wilds is gonna be the next big heathy meal.

Gunlance in rise: Excuse me while I turn into a projectile

[lavish quest]

I tried gunlance in world. Wasn't a huge fan

[rancid granite]

longsword: excuse me while i chop the monster and my team

[urban skiff]

gunlance in world requires a set of skills you cannot access until early parts of late game

so probably why you aren't a fan.

Gunlance in rise is fucking amazing, let me send a link

https://youtu.be/WvppRBXanu4

think this is the one

[lavish quest]

That looks horrible lmao

[urban skiff]

whaaat?

you leap and shoot

[lavish quest]

The controls thing he's complaining about lul

[urban skiff]

It's not that bad

when you get a feel for it, but it's a major block for people wanting to give it a chance

[lavish quest]

I just charged up a big shot, it did 1/3 the dam of just poking them with the Lance part, and thought this seems dumb

[urban skiff]

Gunlance has 3 ammo types, and they each shift the damage focus of your weapon between slaplance (hitting them), fullburst (unloading clip), and pewpewpew (shooting and reloading)

I can't remember world anymore but you want to stake the monster and then shoot the stake to do a lot of damage and it's not apparent that you can do that when you first pick up the weapon. I made it really really far into world before I realized game had combos.

before that I approached the game like dark souls. Then I saw a longsword user do a helmsplitter and fuck I was hooked.

Then dualblade did the beyblade shit over the back of the monster.
SnS going unga bunga is when I gave up on bow and manned up

[lavish quest]

So far I've mainly use great sword and charge blade. Lil bit of long sword. And tried a lil gun Lance and the bug stick

[urban skiff]

Charge blade is awesoe, great sword is awesome

I don't enjoy long sword in world but it's ok in rise

Rise gave rise to some toxic playstyles, like putting down bombs and using their explosion to trigger counter attacks. Kinda stupid

[fierce elm]

Charge blade is amazing

I loved the Switchaxe or w.e

in Worlds

[urban skiff]

I try to love the swaxe but when i got to it I was kind of filled up from trying to remember all the weapons i played

[lavish quest]

I used charge blade a while, then I swapped back to great sword because big numbers big dopamine

[urban skiff]

Almost nothing feels better than using great sword's great tackle against a divebombing monster to bonk it down

[lavish quest]

I didn't know you could do that

I usually just tackle to skip a swing and get to the big flippy bonk faster

[slow solstice]

it does slight stun damage

[idle falcon]

FUCK IT WE BALLLLLLLLL

[urban skiff]

tackle has hyper armor

it means you take the damage but you ain't going to get moved around

but iirc tackle also has a massive damage reduction so regular and big hits don't hurt much

but you still get your ass whooped on damage that's designed to 1-shot you

[lavish quest]

I just run around monsters determined to cut off everything's tail

While finding every ledge to jump off and every slight hill to slide jumping attack to get on top of that thang

[slow solstice]

this mf

has tried to cut everything he sees in sight

have you practiced the deviljho

[lavish quest]

No

Game said no

Special assignments can't be repeated just like the main story

Eternally 1 fang short from berserker sword

[slow solstice]

i think there are optional pickle quests

[lavish quest]

If there is, I don't have em

I think I have an event quest but it's r9 and I haven't unlocked those yet

And Gio's not exaggerating. Priority is smacking the booty till it gives me tail.

If it's too high in the air to hit, guess I'm Spidermanning up there on repeat till I get the wiggly

[urban skiff]

You'll get there. The pickle cannot be contained

soon you'll wish you could avoid it

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

I don't even know what elderseal does, I just know it has big attack number

[slow solstice]

on a greatsword

its the inly thing that matters

[lavish quest]

Having a big wep with a diff element than fire would be cool

Almost nothing big is weak to fire I swear

[pale dew]

Hi there, is this still going for arms?

[drowsy star]

No idea sry

[rancid granite]

thats old just follow murlok.io

[strong igloo]

[urban skiff]

I mean, it was super optimized at the time. If it turns out to be wrong you aren't going to be doing much worse than the difference between what a top player was doing and what a top player is doing now.

Hope that helps put things into perspective

[pale dew]

Nice, thx all!

just reached 80 will follow that guide

[urban skiff]

you can always cross reference with murlok.io to check if it's wildly off track

[pale dew]

🤟

[rancid granite]

1600 free tier piece, and conq weapon tokens still a thing though

[urban skiff]

yup

But we have 7 charges of catalyst now, so my advice to anyone who wants 2 or 4 set bonus is to quickly grab it via converting bloody token gear.

Can get 4 tier pieces that way, then still have 3 charges and free token to get 4 tier piece at conq level later when you have epic everywhere

[pale dew]

Will go for the algari sword, everyone still using it

That will be my first move

[rancid granite]

i mean you get free weapon easily >_>

[urban skiff]

you can buy bloody token weapon to carry you until you have 2500 conq

[rancid granite]

^

good advice

[urban skiff]

bloody token gear everywhere you can, craft jewelry, honor trinkets, bloody token weapons.

On my alts i farm up bloody tokens while levelling via world quests. Super head start

[pale dew]

Lol, ok. So change of plans

[urban skiff]

Then start swapping in conq pieces with the secondary stats you want

[pale dew]

Ok will do this, thax mate

[fickle forge]

You wanna craft weapon anyway

[urban skiff]

Why?

[fickle forge]

Because it's good

[urban skiff]

So is the free conq weapon

[rancid granite]

i mean as long as you hit #s it dont matter right

[fickle forge]

Free conq weapon doesn't offer you ascendance

[urban skiff]

Ascendance is shit

[rancid granite]

can go all forged gear but crafted rings

[jovial torrent]

u get 9 emblem things so u can make 2 elemental focus accesories ezpz

[kind sentinel]

Elemental lense enjoyer personally

[fickle forge]

It ain't though

People wouldn't play it then

[urban skiff]

This. Way better

[jovial torrent]

most ppl who have it just had it because they made wep before wep quest was changed

[fickle forge]

Uh yeah that makes no sense bro

Now that conq is uncapped

[urban skiff]

People are bad at math. You're equipping a weapon with significantly worse vers to get ascendance that gives.. remind me again?

[fickle forge]

You got more people running ascendance than lens rn

[fickle forge]

Vers isn't even that great bro

Honestly

[jovial torrent]

the real thing is embelishments do fuck all overall

[fickle forge]

You get it till DR cap and then you spec other stuff

[urban skiff]

Vers is fucking amazing and people think it's bad because they don't understand math. Vers double dips and is more effective the bigger gap between your vers and theirs.

[fickle forge]

That seems like an extremely hot take bro

[urban skiff]

You can't reach dr cap with crafted weapons.

[jovial torrent]

yeh first season i think verse is king, 2nd season u can hit cap probs

[urban skiff]

It's a math take. I didn't invent math.

[fickle forge]

Did you do the math?

[jovial torrent]

verse also helps u even while you are cc'd

not getting much form haste mast crit when ur snoozin

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm i'm being asked if i did the math.

[fickle forge]

So did you?

[vapid tartan]

Ascendance bis

[urban skiff]

Not only that. Vers double dips. It increases your healer's effective throughput by 1/3 of your vers.

It affects all targets in arena, not just your target.

[jovial torrent]

personally id make rings first then switch to ascendency once u have full gear, just cus free weps is a massive leap ahead in conquest gear

if its a alt and u have a bunch of rng boxes to gamba go for ascendence first if u want

[urban skiff]

The concept of vers is difficult to explain. Yes i did the math.

Vers is amazing because of things you don't see on paper doll or details.

[fickle forge]

Can I see your math?

[jovial torrent]

any of u playing PoE 2 btw, going blind atm as witch but next chars guna be a chonky war where i follow a decent build

[urban skiff]

Can you see my math at 00.00 in the night when i have to get up at 4.45?

How about you show me the math that says vers bad and i'll point out all the reasons your favorite streamer is wrong.

[fickle forge]

So is that a no?

[vapid tartan]

[wheat jay]

Vers is dogshit

Only reason it's played is because of dmg reduction

[urban skiff]

Yes it's a no. Your request is unreasonable and i don't have to entertain it. Just like you can claim (and be wrong) that vers is shit, you'll just have to trust me bro

[pale dew]

Im super confused of what to do now

[wheat jay]

Win games

[vapid tartan]

it doesn’t matter tbh

Like 1% diff

If u are dead at 25% vers you’ll still die with 30

[urban skiff]

Do world quests for bloody tokens in between queues. Do whatever gets you conq fast.

[fickle forge]

I mean if we're going off of feelcrafting, then I'm just sticking with the opinion of the best warriors, which is to craft Ascendance

[pale dew]

🫡

[urban skiff]

5% extra vers is 5% more damage done, 5% less damage taken (2.5% per dps hitting you)

[fickle forge]

Just grind conq and craft Ascendance weapon

[wheat jay]

Bruh

[fickle forge]

WPvP gear can substitute pieces

[wheat jay]

Your math ain't mathing

[urban skiff]

I can't force you to be right. Do what you want, but accept the possibility you're wrong.

[fickle forge]

I am, which is why I am asking for your math since that's the only counterpoint you're raising

[vapid tartan]

That is also -5% that can be in haste

[urban skiff]

The answer is still no. I'm not going to waste my time.

[fickle forge]

Then don't

Lmao

But you're definitely wasting bro's time with your feelcrafting then

[urban skiff]

Great. Remind me how much 5% haste affects your gcd again.

[fickle forge]

Haste is an insane stat for arms

By far the biggest dps increase

[vapid tartan]

More pressure throughout the game

but it doesn’t matter

[urban skiff]

I'm providing the shortest path to the most ilvl. Which is the number one goal when starting out. What he does when he gets more resources and has space to optimize is up to him

[vapid tartan]

Just like 2.5 dam redux doesn’t matter

[fickle forge]

Or he can just invest his resources into good stuff from the start

Ascendance vs lens is miniscule, but Ascendance is still believed to be the best

[urban skiff]

How is that effective? He's going to lose more on account of lower ilvl and have slower progression. He's going to cap out on conq before reaching rating goals and be able to buy another set of gear.

[urban skiff]

By people bad at math

[wheat jay]

That doesnt have to be true tho

He can get his goals before he gets half of the gear he wants

I got 2100 before I even got all conq items lol

[urban skiff]

Bro just starting out. Ilvl is king. If he can reach his goals that fast then ilvl is still king.

[fickle forge]

Isn't that an extremely hot take when they're infinitely better at the game than you bro?

[urban skiff]

The strength and stamina you have is better than the mastery you don't have yet.

[wheat jay]

Depending on class stats matter more than ilvl

[fickle forge]

And then what, if he wants to optimize he has to recraft weapon anyway and replace his current embels with 2 fresh pieces

[urban skiff]

Bloody token gear can be farmed while in queue. There's no costs associated with itm

[fickle forge]

Just aim for BiS from the start

[wheat jay]

Dh for example wants mastery, other stats don't matter much, and mastery is more important than ilvl

Either way, bis items are bis for a reason

He can get those asap

[fickle forge]

If math was king in PvP, we'd be able to sim it, but we can't and it's ran by top players feelcrafting what's best

[urban skiff]

No? Bloody token weapons. Free token weapon. Craft conq if so desired.

In the mean time run around with 3 crafted jewelry that costs less than 2k gold to recraft to remove embellishments

This is getting kind of stupid.

[wheat jay]

And that means getting ascendance

[craggy ermine]

I have a question for everyone.....

for arena. when you stance swap is it worth switching to a shield and sword? or does that matter anymore?
This is for retail pvp

[kind sentinel]

No need to sword and board anymore

[craggy ermine]

alright

[fickle forge]

Bloody token is just to substitute pieces while getting your actual BiS items

[craggy ermine]

saw a guy doing it earlier in one of my solo shuffle games

and thought it was weird

[craggy ermine]

I thought for pvp for most classes it's easier to do JC jewelry and then do bloody token gear till you get the weapon right?

[fickle forge]

I'm not sure what you mean by this

[urban skiff]

Correct. Which is what i said about 8 times so far

[craggy ermine]

so with the forged gladiator's heraldry you craft 3 peices of jewelry. and then go with honor gear and if you have bloody tokens get the weapon

[fickle forge]

Okay, but that's not what we were talking about?

[fickle forge]

Nah, do 10 heralds for Ascendance weapon

Else you're just gonna be recrafting later for BiS

[urban skiff]

That's my opinion. Bloody tokens + crafting jewelry. Convert bloody token gear to tier for classes that use it.

Grab free conq weapon if it has better secondaries

[urban skiff]

Recrafting is literally a non issue.

It's a 2 minute delay

Costs 2k for expensive pieces

[craggy ermine]

I just don't think using heralds for ascenance weapon is worth it when the game gives you 2 tokens for any weapon

[kind sentinel]

The thing about crafting rings/ neck is that you lose a bit of versatility when you do so. But tbh it doesn’t really matter if you are getting more value from mast/haste for better uptime and damage in burst windows

[fickle forge]

How is it a non issue when it's like 2k+ conq extra to farm?

[fickle forge]

It's BiS

That's all

[urban skiff]

It's not.

[craggy ermine]

For pve it is yeah sure

[fickle forge]

For PvP it is

[wheat jay]

Doesnt matter

[urban skiff]

In what world is it 2k extra? You want to craft jewelry either way. You're just not delaying 3 pieces of jewelry to get Ascension + 3 ilvls over bloody token weapon.

[wheat jay]

Difference is so miniscule your dmg output will suffer more

[fickle forge]

You may as well just chase BiS from the start

Weird to dance around between embels

[urban skiff]

You may as well make the ride smooth. You're going to spend the conq regardless but now you don't sit with 3 pieces of honor jewelry for the next 5k conq grind.

Hell if recrafting is such an offensive ordeal, skip the embellishments on jewelry.

Idk how this is difficult

[fickle forge]

Aren't you supposed to be up in 4.5 hours?

[craggy ermine]

xD

i'm new to warr pvp just trying to figure out which one of the two specs to go. furry or arms

[fickle forge]

Depends on your goal

If you wanna optimise then fury

[craggy ermine]

optomise in which kinda way? for both pvp and pve?

[fickle forge]

I mean PvE and PvP don't overlap at all right now

So you can just do fury for PvP and then whatever you want for PvE

[craggy ermine]

ahhh okay

so i guess when you say optomise you mean as in diff builds for pvp

[fickle forge]

Fury is just generally stronger right now

Arms is fine, but fury better and easier

[jovial torrent]

fury is better overall imo, i hit 2.4 as arms in bg blitz but fury just does more stuff passively

[craggy ermine]

ahhhh okay

so it's pretty much furry hits a lot harder rn

[wheat jay]

Fury is easier to deliver on

[jovial torrent]

yeh, and the defense is alot more passive + arms pvp talents are kind of locked in where fury can take disarm without feeling as bad

[kind sentinel]

Made it to 3.1 in blitz and arms feels v bad some games but really good on others idk it’s just so polarizing

[fickle forge]

Fury and arms have the same flexibility for PvP talents though

[kind sentinel]

Ya two are perma locked in, third is more flexible on both specs

[craggy ermine]

thank you for the help everyone!

[jovial torrent]

which do u flex on arms, i see ppl switch out the bladestorm one but i feel like applying ms to everyone at the start of a teamfight is just so strong

[fickle forge]

Dude I decide to play a shuffle for the first time in a millenia

And my lobby is triple pala double sham

[lavish quest]

The DR doesn't become additive when another person hits you

It's just 2.5% of the overall dam you take

[kind sentinel]

Sharpen and Battlefield commander stay, storm of destruction can occasionally be swapped for disarm or War banner if playing an FC map (Since you will be escorting your dragon or monk fc)

Similar in arena, only diff is that when playing into a disc pr/rmp you can drop sharpen since it doesn't do much to rapture and you really just need to be able to stop their goes to win

[strong igloo]

3.1

[strong igloo]

Of course it's better

[kind sentinel]

whats wrong with that :p

[urban skiff]

That's not correct. They need 2.5% vers each to undo your damage reduction.

Again. Math is math.

[frank turret]

Yo anyone got tips on going against dev evokers? We got a good push going last couple days then we’re getting gatekept only by evoker comps and every other game is an evoker. We’re running warr/sp/hpal

[urban skiff]

My best advice is to find somebody else to hit while your partner exhausts the evoker's mobility and then start going ham when he's out

It's 4d chess i'm sure they are prepared for so idk what to do then

[frank turret]

Yeah we’ve tried that we get the shroud off on them but they can still kite me like crazy especially if they have a paly that gives them freedom

We tried just chain cc’ing the evoker and kill the other dps and got close a few times but after the chain ends he just ramps up and just start pumping into us

It might just be our counter idk but today we got 5 games in a row with dev evokers it was insane

[thick reef]

How long did it take you to push for 2.4 In blitz?

[fierce elm]

Deva is hard for warrior

so makes sense

[frank turret]

Yeah it’s pain. I think double casters can kill them pretty easy but a pain for most melee.

[fierce elm]

Honestly a big pain versus only warrior

and maybe dk

the rest do fine into it

Mostly because yall cant keep up and dont do any ranged damage

[jovial torrent]

@thick reef near the start of the season i played on off for a few days to hit 1800 then stopped playing war for a few months, came back capped gear hit 2400 in 111 games total, 64 wins, most losses i didnt lose rating because my mmr was a few hundred above my cr, funnily my queue got shorter the higher my rating got, went from 15 min avg to like 7 min avg once i hit 2k

[thick reef]

111 games total is pretty good. I got my main warr to 1800 in bg blitz and haven’t touched it since so I might just go back and get that to 2400

[green wharf]

only if you pick the wrong hero spec

DK is pretty darn good in mobility this xpac

[halcyon socket]

Do you play mostly teamfight as fury ? My main is dh so im supposed to ninja cap/off cart etc but I dont really like it

[lavish quest]

Yes... but they as 2 players... naturally have double the stats... it's not like they suddenly need more vers...

Also they can use other stats to ramp their dmg even faster than vers can to make "overcoming" your vers even easier

Your math ain't exactly math

[urban skiff]

Oh my god i can't with this nonsense.

They're two players. They have 2x pool of secondary stats. Your one pool of secondary stats affects both their pools once or the full pool twice.

It takes 5% to counter your 2.5%. that's the exact reason Blizzard decided to make vers 2/3 damage and 1/3 reduction.

You're getting 4/3 value from vers but you're reading 2/3.

My math is very math. I lack the communications skills to explain it to people who don't grasp this intuitively. But my math is true.

I.e. i have no crayons or time to explain.

[lavish quest]

Homie, you're assuming vers is the only stat and factor in the whole game

[urban skiff]

No but vers gap is BETTER for you. Even if they get 1.3x damage from mastery over vers you're still coming out on top.

The bigger the gap the more value you get from vers!

@fierce elm Send help.

They think i can't math now. I may be dumb as a rock but i know math

[fierce elm]

I am not touching this subject with a ten foot pole

I am a dumb wow player who just grabs w.e stats

[lavish quest]

Also you only factor in %.
If it takes 2k vers to get 2% vers but it takes someone else 2k haste to increase their dam by 10%;
You're losing

[fierce elm]

Less thinking more hitting

[urban skiff]

The gap isn't that wide for any spec.

The only big gap is for some specs where a stat has zero value. Vers is not one of those stats on account of how it works.

Your thinking is true but lacks practical application. Vers is extremely powerful and undervalued. It's probably why some newbies seem to be doing really well with some weird secondary stats. They accidentally went all in on vers by buying conq instead of crafting.

Fury is one of the best candidates to make use of vers gap in season1 because of the stat budget on 2h.

Vers is undervalued because pvp tends to be guided by how people feel and not rigerous testing. when there's limited resources people don't experiment, and gear alone doesn't shift anyone high enough to make top players wonder and start feeling inspired.

"Vers is a noob trap" is the reason you don't see high vers, led by top players who aren't going to challenge that and have no reason to challenge it. If everyone has the same vers then vers is essentially a dead stat.

If everyone had 0 vers they would feel and play mostly the same. If you came in with 35% you'd be a juggernaut.

Widen the gap.
Don't DR vers.
Reap the benefits others don't.

Fury is always strongest early season when they get a very real vers advantage.

I know i meme a lot, but this is something i think i know enough about.

[green wharf]

what is this NERD talk

we just get purple and hit stuff

[wheat jay]

fury having advantage early is kinda cap

fury has advantage because its tuned to be strong

that's all it is, for every spec in the game

real vers advantage is dumb cuz every class has vers advantage, every class scales the same with vers, every class has the same gear progression pacing

[green wharf]

Zercher said a lot of people run bombs in isle of conquest, run 5 now and no one did

[wheat jay]

vers is also not undervalued, other stats are just better for pure dps, so you get vers on every pvp item, then you go for whatever stat you need, like haste or mastery

[lavish quest]

Big dam > Little dam

The math is simple

Also you can't just not DR vers. If you stack vers, it will be DR'd

[wheat jay]

ye

ngl i preferred pvp resilience pvp power

you just had that on your gear

it worked like vers

but you still had normal stats to play around with

[jovial torrent]

@halcyon socket i played arms but u probs play fury pretty much the same, go to the biggest teamfights usually try get a big bladestorm off at start of flag map teamfights im almost always top 3 dmg in the game, pressure their casters like lock priest and try switch to your teams current target, MW are also good to switch onto somtimes

i try kill efc before they get past mid of map or help escourt our flag back with thunderclap slows and damage

[halcyon socket]

Okay will try this
Thanks a lot 🙏

[lavish quest]

Mop was peak

[fierce elm]

This is why I run 0 vers

[wheat jay]

havent played much pvp in mop

i liked wod

and legion

[fickle forge]

Why is this convo still going man

[wheat jay]

why not

[fickle forge]

Ya'll going circles with this math stuff

[wheat jay]

not even math lol

[fickle forge]

When reality is nobody is presenting any argument

Lmao

[rancid granite]

it's just fun gym bro math

how much of a stat for maximum gains and something about macros and protein

vs the argument or "just lift more"

[exotic forge]

Resilience was better because you didn't have to worry about it

Same as with pvp power

All your gear would have it so you could just focus on other stats

[fierce elm]

neeeerds

[lavish quest]

🤓 Aschtually, I presented an argument.
Big dam > Little dam

[fickle forge]

The only argument is to do what top players do, if you don't have any xp yourself

[lavish quest]

I'm multi 1600. Surely that counts

[elfin surge]

hello pvp friends

[fickle forge]

Yo nice pins you've got rolling buddy

[elfin surge]

I quit retail.

Coming back soon.

[lavish quest]

For 2 weeks*

Hello pvp friend

[urban skiff]

Huh? Fury has a full extra weapon worth of secondary stats over literally every other spec.

Miss me with this nonsense. it's pure addition.

[fickle forge]

Isn't it funny how some specs don't even main stat versa in PvP

[fierce elm]

I have 0% vers

[lavish quest]

Fury is also balanced around having that stat boost

Hasn't been like a real perk since wrath

[urban skiff]

In pve. Where vers provides 2/3 value instead of 4/3 value.

[exotic forge]

Return of the primus?

Also vers is a dead stat, change my mind

[lavish quest]

In general. Vers doesn't provide 4/3s value in pvp either

[urban skiff]

It does when 2 people hit you. It's math

I feel like people shouldn't be allowed to discuss this if they don't understand effective health or how tanking works

[exotic forge]

But we don't even need vers in pve

[fickle forge]

That's a hot take bro

A very hot take

Fact of the matter is other stats are sometimes better and desirable

[fierce elm]

The arguing lmao

[fickle forge]

It's math

[elfin surge]

karanze is a noob

[fickle forge]

Mud? Kyle? Never heard of them.

[elfin surge]

Kargish? Karanze? Never heard of them.

why do you go by 2 names

pick 1

[fierce elm]

Karanze is a noob

[lavish quest]

Bruh. No

[fickle forge]

Because people always stick to my OG name lmao

[full quiver]

I had karanze in my shuffle and he went 0-6

[lavish quest]

The # of dmg you take is what matters

[fickle forge]

Even if I go by Kara

[full quiver]

He is really bad

[fierce elm]

Because Karanze is a cringe name to say

I trust Zerchers math over yall ngl

not that I will ever think about it

Murlok.io copy stats done queue arena

[lavish quest]

If one guy is busting on you 900k. dps there's no diff if 2 dudes doing 900k DPS in total to you

[fickle forge]

Ah ye sure thing JustIce, the ret pala

[fierce elm]

its Vulgoré now

[lavish quest]

Are you high?

[fierce elm]

No but I trust him more than yall

[fickle forge]

Afro just instigating lmao

[fierce elm]

: )

[lavish quest]

His math is just 2 girls 1 cup exists

[fierce elm]

YALL BEEN TALKING FOR HOURS ABOUT THIS

[fickle forge]

Can you make him post his math though

[fierce elm]

S T O P

[fickle forge]

He said no to me

[fierce elm]

Whats yalls hoodie size

Lets determine this by bench numbers

easy as that

[lavish quest]

Even math teachers require math been shown

[fierce elm]

Like the good ole days

[fickle forge]

How much versa do I need to wear a size L hoodie?

Math it out please

[fierce elm]

Its Zerch vs Karg/Leland/Artji

bench only numbers rn

[fickle forge]

3pl8

I'm in the big leagues now

[rancid granite]

zerch oozes confidence with his math so i side with him

[exotic forge]

I'd rather be stacking crit than vers

[fierce elm]

He has been least wrong out of everyone here

[exotic forge]

Sure I'm not getting 5% increased shitass damage but at least I'm critting BIG DAM

[fierce elm]

mid league

[full quiver]

3pl8 only big league if you aren't fat

3pl8 for u like 1.5pl8 for normal person

[lavish quest]

????

[fierce elm]

3pl8 is mid league

[full quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-duck-fimbong-le-sserafim-smoke-duck-fimbong-gif-3638865996266664634

[fierce elm]

Tiny bench

[lavish quest]

Rets clueless

[fierce elm]

lmao

Zercher has 100% been least wrong here because he doesnt engage in most stupid shit

[full quiver]

Afro is a ret and sub rogue player

[fierce elm]

A 3 year old baby can bench 3pl8s

I DONT PLAY SUB HELLO

[full quiver]

He actually can't bench the bar anymore

[fierce elm]

I am an OUTLAW GAMER

[full quiver]

Its his new main

[fierce elm]

boutta become an Ele gamer soon too

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-destiny2-titan-look-at-that-eating-popcorn-gif-17747621

[lavish quest]

I love how all the math involves 0 math

[fierce elm]

Yall got smoked

its over

Go touch g r a s s

[slow solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[fickle forge]

What the fuck man

[fierce elm]

lmao

Hpala main sit down

[fickle forge]

I'm an arms chad beating triple pala lobbies

Don't mess with me

[fickle forge]

Oh, I thought you were joking homie

[fierce elm]

lmao

[lavish quest]

Man ignores any semblance of logic
"Yall got owned"

[green wharf]

i dont trust zerch, he said people run bombs in isle of conquest, did 8, no one did that shit

[urban skiff]

Tbh i engage in all the stupid shit

[fierce elm]

I just like stirring up shit tbh

[green wharf]

i even got the achiev to kill people with glaive in like 4 minutes

[urban skiff]

They can't run bombs when they don't get hangar!!

[urban skiff]

Before numbers you apply base logic on which to do numbers on. (This is essential in math)

When you reject the base assumptions there's no reason to give any numbers. And when you don't explain why you reject the assumptions then sorry, i don't respect your response.

[rancid granite]

i imagine zerch has a beard he strokes as he talks about math

[fickle forge]

A long one

And glasses

[urban skiff]

Full beard that reaches my nipples.

Other than being a project manager i'm also our primary data Analyst in my corporation.

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-from-the-cityyyyyy-gif-4548670119770313438

[lavish quest]

Why respect incorrect assumptions?

[rancid granite]

lol

[urban skiff]

No glasses because i'm built perfectly

[lavish quest]

Bad assumptions don't make good arguements

[rancid granite]

the hair to nipple length description paints quite an image

[urban skiff]

That's why i don't.

[fickle forge]

I don't even know what the argument is anymore

[slow solstice]

something something stack vers

[urban skiff]

Vers gooder than people (and streamers) think.

Math is math.

[fierce elm]

who knows

[urban skiff]

If vers was bad people wouldn't be using it to begin with.

Vers gains effectiveness the bigger the gap between you and them.

Math is math.

[fierce elm]

who is this dude underestimating vers though

dont literally every spec run like 20% vers minimum

or am I on crack

[urban skiff]

Make a list and start handing out coal. Lots of people in here.

[rancid granite]

so ive been doing it right all along lingering around 30% vers?

what about higher than 30% when the dr kicks in

[lavish quest]

Build stats bad = godlike build

[urban skiff]

20% good. 25% better.

But somehow 30% not best...? Because logic...?

[lavish quest]

Somehow

[fickle forge]

We still haven't gotten an argument for this though, after we've had this convo for like 18 hours

[fierce elm]

I mean, speaking from both ret and outlaw, ret just wants as much vers as possible

[urban skiff]

Why don't you run 0% vers then? It scales linearly. Right..?

[fierce elm]

Outlaw aims specifically for a number that allows for better GCD management on haste, crit for BtE buff and flat mastery

[urban skiff]

Other stats give more damage. Right..?

[lavish quest]

DR important in pvp

But so is dam

So you get DR till you don't need more

Shocking

[slow solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-school-school-bell-ringing-the-bell-gif-22150054

[violet fossil]

This is the gayest the chat has been and that’s not saying alot

[fierce elm]

true lmao

[urban skiff]

The only thing that matters is the effective healing it takes to kill you. Vs the effective healing it takes to kill them.

Literally the entirety of how arenas work.

[rancid granite]

thats only cause zercher was mentioning his nippies

[fickle forge]

Because diminishing returns, and it's a good idea to balance offense and defense depending on your spec

Like feral prios mastery over versa in PvP

[urban skiff]

Uuuh du mach mir so geil

[green wharf]

and receading hairlines, thats checkout

[urban skiff]

Whar math shows it diminishes at 20% ?

[urban skiff]

My hairline is flawless. My Hair so thick my barber charges me extra

[fickle forge]

That's the way it works dude, each % is a smaller increase than the last, and frankly people just prefer to stack versa till they're satisfied defensively and then go in on offense

[lavish quest]

It diminishes at 30%

Auto correct will end me

[green wharf]

is flawless receded

[fickle forge]

It's straight up way more offense to go other stats than it is to go versa, and some specs and comps want that, while hitting versa as their low stat budget for minor defensive gain

[fierce elm]

So then saying versa is a bad stat is flat out wrong

[urban skiff]

Vers becomes more effective the more you have than your opponents. Not less.

What math or source supports that it dimishes at that point?

[lavish quest]

Blizzard coded in you get less stats past 30%

[sturdy trellis]

People debating stat DRs when they don’t even have a clue how it works, classic. Maybe not the best people to take seriously in theorycrafting stat discussions

This addon even tells you when it’s DRing:

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/true-stat-values

[lavish quest]

So if you get 100 vers, it gives you 90 past 30%

[rancid granite]

so is that bad or not though

how much vers do we need thats the question

and then how much haste crit and mastery

[fierce elm]

Vers on every piece

done

[fickle forge]

It really be an uphill discussion this one

[fierce elm]

thats how I gear and how I will continue to gear

Yall are just discussing NOTHING at this point

[sturdy trellis]

This is how I play 2 of my classes. Tier sets are overhyped imo. 30% vers is way better

[rancid granite]

vers/conq gear, crafted rings is what i been doing

looks cool feels cool

[fickle forge]

This ain't what we're talking about though

[fierce elm]

oh yeah and either 2 or 4 set

done

[green wharf]

tier sets in this exp seems rly garbo anyway

and on top of being nerfed in pvp

[lavish quest]

Vers to 30% then mastery. Haste to taste if you feelin fancy.

[sturdy trellis]

It actually is what you had just said when I quoted

[lavish quest]

Gg solved it for yall

[fierce elm]

Murlok.io, pick a spec, copy gear

[sturdy trellis]

Forgot crit

[fierce elm]

let someone else figure it ouot for youi

[lavish quest]

Crit trash

[slow solstice]

crit sucks on fury!

[lavish quest]

Avoid like plague

[sturdy trellis]

They could be wrong

[fierce elm]

then it be like that

it wont matter anyways

[sturdy trellis]

Use critical thinking to make your own personal choice in an RPG don’t always follow the sheep

[fierce elm]

or just dont care about that

and just grab w.e build because stats doesnt matter if you have enough vers

and you can gain rating regardless of what idiotic build you run

[fickle forge]

Okay bro, but context matters and it's kind of weird to just pick one random comment and then start a new discussion from that?

[lavish quest]

He was explaining now the DRing works

[green wharf]

wow isnt a rpg in like

a few years

[fickle forge]

That's cool man, but we ain't talking about the DRs

[sturdy trellis]

It’s not bro. You literally said stats DR at 20% wrong which is objectively false

[fickle forge]

Quote me brother, when did I ever say that

[sturdy trellis]

Now you’re just gaslighting

[fickle forge]

Screenshot it right now

[fierce elm]

rolled

[slow solstice]

where is 20%?

[fickle forge]

This is why context is important man

[lavish quest]

It's 30%

[fickle forge]

We're talking about builds and why you'd sometimes want other stats over versa

[sturdy trellis]

“What math shows it diminishing at 20%?’

Him: “that’s how it works dude….”

[fickle forge]

And Zercher claims you should stack versa to no end, according to the math he refuses to provide

[fierce elm]

I like this, endless discussion now

until EU fall asleep

[fickle forge]

It be like that man

It's been a stale day so it's sorta refreshing

[fierce elm]

lmao

You coulda been grinding hpala

[fickle forge]

What would I grind on it

[fierce elm]

Experience

[green wharf]

speak to me if you have 50% verst

[violet fossil]

Im stacking to 69% verse

[fickle forge]

I feel confident enough on it

[urban skiff]

That's what i've been advocating for the last 17 hours now. Uphill in a snow storm.

[fierce elm]

Bananas are overrated

[fickle forge]

They're fire?

Wdym

[fierce elm]

naaa

[fickle forge]

Bananas lit

[fierce elm]

dont like it

[sturdy trellis]

You’re not wrong dude. I feel like paper without 30% vers on multiple classes.

The tier sets are overrated

[fierce elm]

I eat like one

and then dont eat one for like a month

then eat one

repeat

[urban skiff]

No. I said the bigger the gap the better the stat becomes.

I didn't say to stack it endlessly.

[fickle forge]

What

[green wharf]

afro out there shitting literaly bricks, cause low potassium

[urban skiff]

Get the man a banana

[fickle forge]

So

You're saying to stack it endlessly then

[fierce elm]

I shit bricks because my diet is ground beef, salsa and tortillas

[fickle forge]

Lmao

[fierce elm]

and protein yoghurt

and raspberry jam

and one protein shake

lmao

[fickle forge]

The bigger the gap sounds like endlessly to me

[fierce elm]

Nutrients are a myth

[urban skiff]

Are all animals dogs?

Asking because i'm genuinely worried about your literacy level now.

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

shitting like this

[fierce elm]

I shit 8 times per day

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[urban skiff]

And it takes a lot for me to get attitude, but i'm just about to develop one.

[fierce elm]

as god intended

CAN WE STOP WITH THIS ENDLESS DISCUSSION GOING NOWHERE

[lavish quest]

Afro sent me a picture the other day

[fickle forge]

You do you brother

[urban skiff]

Bro that's pancakes. You should stack vers for it.

[green wharf]

with your diet im surprised you do that in a month tbh

[fierce elm]

I might also have a gluten intolerance

but I ignore it because tortillas are delicious

also might have some issue with lactose

but I ignore it because gains

[green wharf]

so you drink soy milk then

[fierce elm]

Almond milk

[green wharf]

is that gayer or less

[fierce elm]

idk

Its better than water, less cals than milk

[lavish quest]

[urban skiff]

Shame gluten allergy can't be fought by swinging a barbell at it

[lavish quest]

Less protein tho

[fierce elm]

I am already hitting enough protein without the milk

So fuck that, almond milk works

[urban skiff]

Isn't it the wrong amino acids?

[fierce elm]

bro idk

[violet fossil]

oatmilk is way better

[fierce elm]

I just lift heavy weight, get like 200-250g of protein daily

have a tablespoon of honey pre-gym

[violet fossil]

almond milk too watery

[fierce elm]

You gotta use less almond milk when doing a shake

then it gets more creamy

if you want that

[urban skiff]

I get 100g and i'm doing ok

[green wharf]

oat is not even an animal, how it can have milk

[fierce elm]

But if I make a shake I just slam it

[lavish quest]

Man wants that spoiled milk feel

[violet fossil]

Your mom is an animal and I have her milk

[fierce elm]

500g of ground beef, 500g of greek yoghurt and a protein scoop makes up most of my protein daily

[urban skiff]

You know the saying. If it isn't spoiled going down it's spoiled coming back up

[fierce elm]

and yes, that 500g of greek yoghurt is a pain to get through lmao

[green wharf]

you cant cause she ded already

got em

[fierce elm]

I also steal one fruit at work daily

[lavish quest]

The Americans cry when you use grams

[fierce elm]

sorry

1.1lbs of ground beef and 1.1lbs of greek yoghurt

[green wharf]

imagine not using the right system

[urban skiff]

Sorry canadians are feeling left out. Can we have that in stones?

[green wharf]

these muricas

[fierce elm]

sorry

0.078 stones of ground beef, 0.078 stones of Greek Yoghurt

[urban skiff]

Sooorrey eh

[lavish quest]

I made a smoothie last night. Greek yogurt and a lot of spinach and other stuffs.
She's a struggle but we suck er down

[fierce elm]

Greek yoghurt is fucking disgusting tbh

[lavish quest]

Ye, agree

[fierce elm]

but the protein content is wild

[lavish quest]

I was having it with fruit and honey

[fierce elm]

BUT ITS NOT OPTIMAL

[lavish quest]

I have to bomb that shit with a lot of honey

[fierce elm]

I just use raspberry jam

works decent enough

[lavish quest]

I wonder who much worse the vanilla Greek yogurt is. Not as bad

[lavish quest]

Sometimes I have raspberries in it. Close enough lol

[ebon shale]

These covid vaccines making my brain think Warrior kinda HOT RN

Been on an absolute rampage up till 1900 last week

[lavish quest]

Up to 1900, sheeeesh

[hot solstice]

4th spec up to 2400 in this crazy lobby

[spice hornet]

That lobby looks awful

[hot solstice]

fire mages stats...idk how thats possible (3800 rounds as fire)

[spice hornet]

Lmfao wtf

[lavish quest]

Fire op

Trust

[fallen estuary]

Those are some stupid ass mages

No way that lobby let you 5-1

Whenever i get a lobby like that the mages are like pitbulls

[rancid granite]

maybe Doom was just better at pvp than the mages

and maybe you're not as good as the mages you fought

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-shyboos-smile-gif-24233810

[fickle forge]

You can win under any circumstances in shuffle

Won 3 rounds vs double pala where both had their BoPs and Lay

People just aren't playing optimally in shuffle

[hot solstice]

If it wasn’t for another 2 dudes on ur side u would have been right

Can’t win deva mage lobbies

[fickle forge]

You aren't supposed to at least

Sometimes I pull it off anyway

Went 6-0 on mugambala into double mage lock

Sometimes you be lucky in shuffle

[rancid granite]

i mean thats pvp for you

people aren't npcs

(some anyway)

[fierce elm]

they are all NPCs

[fickle forge]

It's only 3s that isn't like that though

Shuffle is as random as it can get

Shuffles your odds of winning too

[rancid granite]

pvp is rng

but talk of rng is just defense mechanism for losing

[hot solstice]

Sometimes I forget why it’s called turbo

[sharp meteor]

[lavish quest]

Your vers must have been higher

[fickle forge]

Don't tell him I use a haste/mast ring

[lavish quest]

The math says you're throwing

[fickle forge]

Results say I am crushing

[lavish quest]

This simply cannot be

Inconceivable

[rugged temple]

is it easier to get 1800 in shuffle or blitz?

[rancid granite]

shuffle

[jovial torrent]

shuffle is much faster, u basically start at 1800 mmr and gain alot of cr all the way up there

[sharp meteor]

blitz

but shuff faster

[sharp meteor]

girl the blitz ladder is like 700 mmr higher

with considerably worse players at the top of it

[fickle forge]

It takes an eternity to climb in blitz

[jovial torrent]

blitz is "easier" if u think u are a hard stuck 1700 player

the second u hit like 1400 in blitz u start gaining 20 cr a game and its a bit more rng if u win or lose

[prime salmon]

is raging blows or bloodthirst higher prio?

[wheat jay]

Most inflated tho

[sharp meteor]

blitz is by far the easiest to climb in

shuff or arena just much faster if u have hands

[rancid granite]

wth to 1800 only though?

few bad games 1700-1800 in rbgb

felt like 2100-2200 in blitz

[sharp meteor]

1400 games in blitz worse than 2400 3s or 2900 blitz

nothing you can do when whole map burning on AB because nobody knows where to be

[wheat jay]

1800 you can climb anywhere if you do damage

Done

[sharp meteor]

ya just press q

[wheat jay]

Yep

[fickle forge]

Even @fierce elm is about to be a duelist outlaw, so you know there's hope for everyone

[wheat jay]

Afro is a decent benchmark

[full quiver]

Lol in 3s or shuffle

[true tiger]

guys is fury still better than arms?

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[fickle forge]

3s

[true tiger]

okei,i asked bcs i see more arms warriors than furies nowadays

[rancid granite]

arms aint that far behind

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, ignore everybody who says Arms isn't bad.

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-funny-ill-punch-you-in-the-face-gif-13234878

@sharp meteor

[lavish quest]

Ignore everyone who says warrior isn't bad

[green wharf]

prot is good though

[sharp meteor]

prot actually dece i think

[exotic forge]

Buff ignore pain and Execute

[sharp meteor]

arms just needs kill threat

ur like budget fury that's marginally more durable

dmg profile too smooth too safe too predictable

[jovial torrent]

the problem is getting rooted/slows 5 yards just out of range

[green wharf]

arms need a rework

tclap should not consume rage too, with that shit damage

like with fury/prot

[sharp meteor]

yee or should have something that replaces clap

spec feels weird awk and

bandaided into relevency

[jovial torrent]

honestly it should be baked into somthing, so its like a auto applying slow/rend

hit em with overpower , it also tclaps, replace that talent which makes overpower send out a shockwave

[exotic forge]

Bake Crackling Thunder into Tclap, so it's bigger and it has a better slow

But I agree, rework Arms

[rancid granite]

i feel more durable on fury really; or no different

arms is just gimmicky fury

[sharp meteor]

[rancid granite]

bloodthirst heals nom nom nom

[green wharf]

i have zero survival as arms

cause ignore pain is shite

without a pocket healer you cant do anything

fury i can demolish everyone 1x1 and sometimes 1x2

[urban skiff]

only if you have plenty of time tbh

being gatekept from 1400 because I can play once a week is ugh

[urban skiff]

get more vers

and play colossus

[sharp meteor]

seasons last like 6 months

[urban skiff]

that's 26 games

[green wharf]

worst one, slayer have more self heal and still is bad

[urban skiff]

colossus has a cheat death

[urban skiff]

actually, why does colossus magically have more self heal?

[green wharf]

cheat death is picking fury

[urban skiff]

15% of sudden death heals isn't a ton

[green wharf]

but its better than 0%

[urban skiff]

colossus takes 5% less damage passively.

So you heal for 5% of the damage you take

[green wharf]

and it is crap still

[urban skiff]

and every minute you heal for 12% of your max hp

[green wharf]

good luck surviving that much

[urban skiff]

I mean, how is 15% of a sudden death proc helping you more?

[green wharf]

if you dont have a healer you do nothing

[urban skiff]

I don't agree with your assessment. Slayer does not have more survivability

[green wharf]

because sudden death proc all the time

[urban skiff]

don't make me look up the PPM on Sudden Death

there are like 50 different versions on wowhead because of legacy talents

1.7 PPM

1.0 pvp multiplier

ok it's 1.7 + haste so realistically you get 1.7*1.2 PPM = 2 procs per minute

obviously you also get one per 3 slayer strikes but I don't think that's a lot? Idk, I haven't touched slayer arms.

7 PPM + haste

so that's 8,4 PPM. divided by 3 is 3 PPM

2 + 3 ppm sudden death

let's say we execute crit for 1m to be generous

and 30% crit chance.

Over 2 minutes you get 7 hits and 3 crits.

700k hits * 7
+
1.1m crits * 3

= total sudden death damage: nice round almost 5m damage.

15% of that, assuming no overheal: self heal for 735k

Colossus procs veteran vitality twice over the 2 minutes. (you can theoretically get 3 procs in a 2 minute spam but this isn't scaleable for sustained fighting)

[sharp meteor]

slayer doesnt avoid dmg or heal for anything

colossus has bigger ip and 5% wall

so ye

[urban skiff]

How much hp does arms have these days? 8m?

that's 960k hp every proc.

But you also take 5% less damage so your effective health is actually 8400000 and the effective healing is actually 1260000

@green wharf so colossus with veteran vitality has more self healing by a huge margin.

add on top of that, that colossus healing doesn't rely on hitting someone

Someone feel free to tell me what I missed. I assumed both builds run the same talents, maybe slayer has room for bitter immunity and pain and gain and second wind while the other doesn't.

I went with 1m crits so you can scale up the healing easily and I'm pretty sure 8m hp is low for arms in end season gear

[urban skiff]

I'd go veteran vitality tbh

proccing it is huge heal and IP is decent but I don't see it increasing effective hp that much

[sharp meteor]

no you wouldn't lmaoooo

[urban skiff]

It's a 12% hp heal every minute

[sharp meteor]

how do u come in here and post nonsense

talent is awful before damp

[urban skiff]

why would you play into damp

also i can't find anywhere that says it doesn't affect ignore pain as well

But the text sure alludes to it

I'm open to being wrong here, idk how to test it without having to record a game going deep enough into damp that I can read a difference in IP value before getting hit by someone

But it could explain why arms are feeling squishy in shuffle and feeling better in Blitz and arena, no?

[sharp meteor]

nothin to test u never play vitality ever

[urban skiff]

uuuuuuuuuugh

miss me with nonsense non-arguments, please.

Do math or show me something of value

[sharp meteor]

why it wont help u win a game

ur trying to theorycraft something worthless

talent is awful and worth playing in no situations move on

[urban skiff]

why?

[sharp meteor]

because you might give somebody the idea that it's worth picking (it isn't)

[urban skiff]

why?

[sharp meteor]

no output

undertuned

there could be 1 talents on a node one gives 1% dmg the other gives 5% dmg and you'd still post 10k words on how you think there's a chance one could be viable

for some reason

[urban skiff]

Why is 12% of max hp heal worse than 20% extra on ignore pain (affected by dampening)?

How much are you really using ignore pain?

[sharp meteor]

this is why u continue to lose every game

[urban skiff]

can't lose because I don't get to play

If you stop this from getting personal, that would be great

I treat you like an adult, I suggest you pretend to do the same

[sharp meteor]

if you pressed ignore pain you'd have a healer

[urban skiff]

if veteran vitality procs you have a healer who's temporarily not healing

I'd definitely pick 20% IP on prot but for arms I think veteran vitality isn't as bad a choice as people make it out to be

[sharp meteor]

It is.

[fierce elm]

The kitchen is smelling like burnt rn ngl

[urban skiff]

you wanted more drama, I'm doing my thing

[fierce elm]

The oven is literally burnt

its time to STOP lmao

[urban skiff]

I'M NOT DONE COOKING

[sharp meteor]

need to be banned from the kitchen

[urban skiff]

ngl, it sounds like a hoot

[fierce elm]

You need to go back to the couch and let someone else cook brother

[urban skiff]

tbh i need to go work

[fierce elm]

I woke up an hour earlier than needed

PAIN

[urban skiff]

I'm up every day at 4.45

[fierce elm]

start work at 8, thought it was 7

p a i n

[urban skiff]

only way I can check on WQs and make rounds on any big bloody token quests for alts I'm levelling

enjoy the extra morning

[fierce elm]

I will not

I wanted to SLEEP for an hour more

not this SHIT

but I also get off work an hour earlier than expected

I thought it was 7 15 but its 8 14

:§ pog

[urban skiff]

nice

I got work friday from 7 to midnight

I was also going to have to spend that weekend at work but I moved it till after christsmas because my guys didn't have permits in order

which reminds me, I better see some new welder's certificates today or I'm kicking the welder off site

bad day incoming probably. Yay

[fierce elm]

Its gonna be a SHIT day

also thats fucking not chill

personally I leave towards SOs parents on Thursday and am gone for a week

Havent done jack shit studying so far and should probably order my books at this point

but we also got 2 weeks extra during christmas time to study

[green wharf]

my anedoctal experience says isnt the case

[urban skiff]

Finals when?

[fierce elm]

23rd January 2026

is when I get my certificates and shit and they judge my final project

[urban skiff]

Would you please quantity your anecdotes for me? I'd like them in a matrix, take inspiration from the risk assessment matrix but make it benefit x cost

[urban skiff]

What do you do after?

[fierce elm]

Start begging for work KEK

PLEASE MISTER BOSSMAN HIRE ME RIGHT NOW

[urban skiff]

I only need welders, so can't offer you job in Denmark.

[fierce elm]

Have been offered to work on Solar Panels here though

but might be forced to take another certificate

[green wharf]

slayer: 5/10
colossus: 2/10

[fierce elm]

It feels so weird to go out into a big boy job when I have 0 experience within it

like how the FUCK does it even WORK

[urban skiff]

You die twice. Once when you get fired the first time. Once when you realize that's the rest of your life.

[fierce elm]

oh no

[urban skiff]

Luckily both times comes with rebirth and you feel better than ever

[fierce elm]

I mean the first job is gonna be the most aids one

because I haveto actually get into a job

[urban skiff]

First job is tough. You'll probably feel like you're both better than the veterans and that you don't belong because of impostor syndrome. Both feels are valid

[fierce elm]

Cant wait to apply for 500 jobs and not get one before I just apply to a job in the mines up north lmao

[urban skiff]

You 'll catch flack for anything that makes you stand out.

If you're strong you'll hear comments about "thought you were bodybuilding" anytime you take more than 3 seconds to open a lid or anything.

Almost none of it is personal. It's just tradition in the trades. A form of hazing. You're smart so i expect you'll find something fast.

See if your union offers a mentorship program where you get paired with someone experienced who wants to share a better career path.

Goal number one is finding a solid tactic to find potential places of employment, so you don't have to wait for job openings. You're in a solid industry so being proactive will net you job offers.

Expect to not spend long in your first job. 1-3 years max. You will always be the new guy / young kid and you will not be able to negotiate a salary increase worth shit compared to what a place offers new hires.

When you get closer, let me know. I'll help you with some techniques to get a foot in the door without scaring potential employers away by talking job job job

[fierce elm]

yooo sick

[lavish quest]

Damn, you been unemployed this whole time? Dats crazy

[fierce elm]

wtf no

[lavish quest]

Or just had baby job?

[urban skiff]

Fry cook at H&M is NOT a baby job

[fierce elm]

HEY, I am the best fry cook ever

[lavish quest]

Doesn't H&M sell shirts?

[rancid granite]

H&M is my whole damn wardrobe

i think it stands for harambe and macklemore 2 fashion partners or something

[rancid granite]

how much value is feelcraft? or maybe it depends on the rank

[urban skiff]

Only too small ones for grown men. You'll get there someday

[urban skiff]

The weighted score is 0.3

Where bg Champions are weighted 0.9

[lavish quest]

I never said I bought from there :P

I get free McDonald's shirts because my sister works there

[fierce elm]

oh no

[rancid granite]

[lavish quest]

He just enjoys your fried shirts

[fickle forge]

Can we math out the best shirt brand?

[fierce elm]

ur nan

[fickle forge]

She makes pretty good shirts fr

[rancid granite]

@fierce elm you ever replace a bridge/saddle?

early christmas shopping i want to upgrade mine and learn how to set it up with the right intonation etc

i assume it could be cheaper than giving it to a tech.. and i can customize it to my liking easier

[fierce elm]

I dont expect it to be difficult tbh

It just takes time

as long ss you dont have to drill holes in the body you can do it yourself without issue

worst case you have to tune it more

[urban skiff]

rate my prot mog

[fierce elm]

You cant break anything with it

[fierce elm]

Fucking love DIY, especially since you should learn how to do stuff like this

[rancid granite]

yeah lol

it makes it more personal too

more special

[urban skiff]

I support DIY as long as people don't mess with cars

[fierce elm]

Also dont have to wait for techs, dont have to pay for it

There are very few things you can do that fucks your guitar up

[rancid granite]

even then its usually fixable

[fierce elm]

Yeah

Thats why I got a beater guitar

so I can test refretting, changing nuts etc

[rancid granite]

im ok with it sounding like ass as long as its intonated right lmao

respect to the pros who use beaters

they got character

this looks easier and cheaper than i thought

[fierce elm]

Yeah its mad cheap lmao

The things I would avoid unless you are okay with maybe fucking up your guitar is refrets, swapping nut and drilling holes on your own

[rancid granite]

yeah i agree minus the drilling

also dont know wtf you would need to drill actually lmao

i guess i did my pickguard and the strap button actually

[fierce elm]

Putting in a battery for active pickups, changing bridge set up entirely, having to drill new holes for tuners that might not fit

etc

[rancid granite]

true

[fierce elm]

I really like the Ibanez Gio line tbh, cheap as fuck, plays good honestly and such an upgradeable guitar

But I have to drill into it eventually because swapping to EMGs for memes

Need that battery cavity

As soon as I heard they wanted 50 bucks to swap my pickups I said fuck that

50 bucks for 2 cables mad SCAM

[rancid granite]

i dont trust some of those guys either

wasn't impressed seeing their work on my dads guitar etc