pvp

[frank knoll]

Imagine still playing 3s
Boomer bracket

[fierce elm]

Yeah boomer ass

[full quiver]

3s is the only good bracket

[green wharf]

where the hell is the Christmas discord icon

[full quiver]

If you play anything else you're an ape

[fierce elm]

3s is for losers

you know its true

[green wharf]

what kind of ape though

cause gorillas are cool

i imagine people who do blitzz to be chimps

[fickle forge]

All the zoomers out here wanting to play solo coinflip

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

Apologies for wanting to play a non-cucked bracket

that doesnt rely on a Danish freak being online more than once every 4 months

@tribal holly daily reminder to fix the Server icon to CHRISTMAS

[green wharf]

even the warlock discord was updated

preposterous

[fierce elm]

EVERYONE HAS IT

BUT US

[jovial torrent]

christmas day only

somthing is really wrong with matchmaking, somtimes u get a insta q pop, a person declines then u have to wait 15 mins more for the next

[fickle forge]

That's unfortunate man, you should replace him with me

[fierce elm]

lmao

[frank knoll]

3s are for people on public assistance

[fickle forge]

He says, while Dailyshuffle finds success in that bracket and no other

[visual plover]

yeah i already got the weps but i crafted a wep at the begining of season cuz thats what seemed to be the play but now its rings >.>

[fierce elm]

DAILYSCATTER

[fierce elm]

yeah it changed

its w.e now that conq is uncapped

[visual plover]

welp

still crafting my rings

damnit

[fierce elm]

I mean you should

its good stats+embellish

[tribal holly]

It aint christmas yet tho

[fierce elm]

OH MY GOD

EVERYONE ELSE HAS IT

[tribal holly]

[fierce elm]

WHERE IS IT

[tribal holly]

Idk

[fierce elm]

WHERE IS IT

[tribal holly]

Youre also asking wrong person for that i dont have rights to change it @rapid moon does

[fierce elm]

W h e r e c h r i s t m a s

I mean you are my connection

Thats why I shitpost tag you all the time

[tribal holly]

It got lost in the void

Christmas is cancelled

[fierce elm]

I refuse

I will lash out

We are literally behind Rogue discord on christmas

[tribal holly]

I think its funny at this point

[visual plover]

does the elemental focusing lens do more damage more sockets u have?> cuz this damage is pitiful

[fierce elm]

nope

its the same damage

but all the embellishments suck for Arms so its ok lmao

[tribal holly]

Might aswell keep it going till christmas is here put it up for one day and then remove the next

[fierce elm]

NOOO

[tribal holly]

Man idk what to tell you i dont really celebrate christmas

[fierce elm]

I mean that sounds like a you probem

I got the tree up, I have had mulled wine

Saffronbuns

[fickle forge]

The pride month special

[fierce elm]

Oh my lord I cant write mother fucker

but I can write them in SEPARATE WORDS

Anyways it christmas and this server aint JOLLY rn

[tribal holly]

im working on christmas

[fierce elm]

same

but I am still JOLLY as fuck

[fickle forge]

I've gone gyon on 700 cals and I' deadge

Qs are cancelled @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

Bro its christmas bulking season

Qs are not cancelled shut the fuck up

My GF knows about it

[tribal holly]

Teach me

[fierce elm]

we are playing Ele/Outlaw

Its all about being a fucking G

all about family values

[fickle forge]

We are not doing ele outlaw

James ain't here

[fierce elm]

We are playing WoW

James is here

[tribal holly]

Dont have one

[fierce elm]

I have my GF

but I am jolly as hell

[visual plover]

so yall would reccomend me ditching the algari great sword and getting 2 rings?

uh oh

just outed myself as fury player

dont ostrisize me

i still have my crit/vers 2h wep too

[fierce elm]

I mean you can just remove the embellish

on your weapon

[rancid granite]

just check out murlok.io then make your decisions from there

[visual plover]

i did the info is everywhere and not very consistent with top players

top orc fury warrior in shuffle is using crafted boots 1 ring and the crafted wep

[fierce elm]

That is why it averages out

across 50 players

[rancid granite]

yeah it's pretty damn consistent though

[visual plover]

i guess im just confused

it was crafted wep and wraist

now its rings

ad boots?

[rancid granite]

right on top it shows the average

and if you click on individual players its all roughly the same

~19-25% vers
~25-35% mast
~13-17% haste

[visual plover]

my stats are fine

[fierce elm]

Your issue is thinking there is one crafting path

[visual plover]

ooooo

[fierce elm]

Which there arent

[rancid granite]

most go lens embell but a bit go ascendance

[fierce elm]

People craft different shit all the time

[rancid granite]

yeah conq/crafting is all just means to hit those stats

[visual plover]

so theres no "set" correct answer

[fierce elm]

No

Outside of what is more popular than the other

[rancid granite]

just general idea of the most popular stats, embell, enchants

[fierce elm]

So just pick something

go with it

[rancid granite]

dont question top 50 nerd math cause its too big brain

[fierce elm]

It probably wont matter anyways

[rancid granite]

like i thought radiant power for fury would be just fine but its literally 99.9% all depths

so i went depths lol

[fierce elm]

Depths is just absurd for any dual wielding spec

like absurd

[rancid granite]

see, it was safe to assume

[chilly pivot]

if u play 3s arena, if 2 targets is on you, are u allways going def stance then?

[fierce elm]

depedns on the situation

[rancid granite]

if you need the defense probably

[sharp meteor]

Depends

Are you trading favorably

[royal marten]

what %'s for arms would you guys recommend being at for pvp for the stats

[fierce elm]

about 2

[royal marten]

lol

[fierce elm]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/3v3

[royal marten]

ty sir

[jovial torrent]

these are my stats atm, im usually top dmg in bg blitz, i have a few versa/haste gems

[fickle forge]

Would just like to announce that @fierce elm is really good at auto attacking with his enchant

[jovial torrent]

its done

[full quiver]

Lmao

[fierce elm]

goated

[jovial torrent]

this was the build i ran , the only thing i changed was the wild strikes for endurance training on temple of kotmogu

[sterile moth]

@jovial torrent congrats!

[fickle forge]

I'm a gamer bro

Healer btw

[jovial torrent]

tyty, it was sweaty but i just knew if i kept playing id catch up to my mmr, ended at 2600 mmr

[wheat jay]

all i see is afro sucks

noted

[fierce elm]

I cant heöp that the enchant is busted on outlaw

constantly doing 7-10% of my damage is WILD

[jovial torrent]

holy moly that is alot of dmg

im guessing its probs a decent chunk less for fury

kind of tempted to try go for 2400 in solo shuffle but as fury

[full quiver]

It'll be about 10x harder than the bgblitz lol

[jovial torrent]

atm yeh, probs be a bunch easier in a month or so

hit 2100 on mw monk and hpal in solo

arms is just not fun in solo

[rancid granite]

2100 on fury was so much easier than arms >_>

[sharp meteor]

Good specs are generally easier to push with than bad specs.

[jovial torrent]

hopfully next season they add glad mount to solo shuffle#

and a recolour to blitz why not

[rancid granite]

maybe its time to push 2100 on prot :)

[jovial torrent]

i actually had a prot war in my 2400 game

we had a tank dh they had a prot war

[rancid granite]

did he rock?

[jovial torrent]

they lost , but i think it was more on their double monk healer

we wiped them in the first teamfight

this shit needs to get fixed tbh

its why blitz games can feel so coinflippy

someone goes like 5-1 in placements and they are suddenly 2500 but then begin to throw

[limber relic]

this game man..

[sharp meteor]

Execute slayer strike killing some squishy from like 30% health is great.

[full quiver]

We need less people in shuffle and more people in real 3

[onyx marlin]

nah

the future is all about soloq

[jovial torrent]

yeh sadly u just cant go back, once u add convenience people will never go back to 3v3, who wants to mess around getting declined by x glads when you can just grind away at solo

league of legends would probably be dead if solo q didnt exist and it was just clash tournaments

[onyx marlin]

rl responsibilities also affect, i preffer to log in, join q, wait some minutes and start playing instead of having to gather two friends who can play at the same hour than me or waste hours in lfg to play with two monkeys

[jovial torrent]

yeh pretty much, ive played at all kinds of random times in the day, ive even played some games at 6am, that would never be possible in 3v3 lfg

[full quiver]

because it's way quicker to lfg 3s

than to shuffle lol

[jovial torrent]

it really isnt

i vividly remember waiting hours to get groups for WoD//bfa shadowlands 3v3 then if u lost ur first few games people would instantly ditch

[full quiver]

so don't lose

😂

[jovial torrent]

i manged to get a bunch of bnet friends to play with but even then u had to wait for them to be on the same time as u

[full quiver]

idk i met people last season in LFG

that i'm playing again with this season in LFG

[jovial torrent]

i didnt play dragonflight at all

[full quiver]

the 2 most deflated seasons ever

it's not that hard

the trick is staying near top of curve

[onyx marlin]

well then whats the matter

keep playing your 3s

[full quiver]

what matters is the 3s being deflated as hell

[jovial torrent]

maybe for u but most players struggled to find people to play with when they wanted

[full quiver]

becuase the noobs are spamming and stuck in shuffle at 2k

instead of spamming 3s stuck at 2k

[onyx marlin]

well

[full quiver]

😂

[onyx marlin]

thats your problem

[jovial torrent]

i honestly dont see 3v3 ever being played again unless its hillariously inflated to where 2100 players can breeze by to glad

rank 1 would have to be like 3500 again

what was r1 in shadowlands s2 anyway, i see people say that was the free glad season

but i just got 1800 like first day for mog and unsubbed :L

[idle falcon]

im using this build for PvP, is this the correct one or am i missing something?

[jovial torrent]

i havent properly played fury yet, check murlok io for most used talents, some talents are flex choice

[lavish quest]

Never gonna happen cuz finding partners is ass

Gluck

[visual plover]

I play thunderous words to line up reck with it better with the CDR plus we don't have many bleeds without odyns I also play the 4 extra seconds of reck over one of the execute talents

[cinder thorn]

@copper fox does the troll racial stack with Endurance Training?

[idle falcon]

hate thunderous words

also why 4 sec reck that good?

[copper fox]

@cinder thorn yes

[cinder thorn]

wow so 40% reduction right?

I would play troll if I tolerated the appearance

I just find them so ugly

[copper fox]

Yea dude the troll appearance is underrated

10 foot tall warmongers

Slamming two handers

Unphased

[cinder thorn]

have you played gnome?

does the 40% work on roots also or just slows? do you think its better than gnome on 1min cd?

[copper fox]

Nah gnome is better unfortunately. I play a gnome alt with some irl friends and it’s just more clutch in most kill scenarios

[cinder thorn]

yeah I was hoping you would say troll but, its sadly true

[visual plover]

U get a lot more uptime 4 seconds with all the CDR adds up

[idle falcon]

i see alot of people not taking cruelty, why is that?

[rancid granite]

like half do still

what would to take out for it though

[idle falcon]

no idea

i see top players without it

like maximus

[rancid granite]

bloodborne or massacre i assume it'd be

[idle falcon]

best weapon enchant?

[visual plover]

depths for fury i believe

[visual plover]

i like cruelty not even sure what i would not play with it that being said when i play mountain thane i dont have the points for it

[idle falcon]

not radiant power?

[visual plover]

not as far as i can tell apparently depths is busted with 2hs

[idle falcon]

k

[lavish quest]

No one ever factors in playing gnome destroying your mental

[slow solstice]

or playing pvp destroying your mental

[lavish quest]

Well that's a given

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/pathetic-pathetique-pathetox-cat-gif-17249104

[visual plover]

We are all masochists and that's okay 👍

[idle falcon]

i just realised

AM is 10 rage in PvP instead of 20 in PvE

[boreal veldt]

[hasty pulsar]

are they nerfing frost mage roots in 11.0.7? anyone remember reading that or something

[lavish quest]

Probably just nerfing warriors

Lez be real

[deep condor]

Symbosis vs ascendance for fury? I know we have pins but I feel opinion shifts often

[sharp meteor]

more of rando stat vs slightly less vers + dmg taken

they both fine/good options

[slow solstice]

i didnt nknow

you ruined it chef

[nimble shard]

started playing fury about 3 weeks ago, hit my personal goal 🙂

[glossy sable]

Does Berserker's Torment trigger Avatar when the Recklessness from Enduring Rage happens?

If so that's a free root break

[slow solstice]

good job!

[glossy sable]

I can't emote or I'd give him a thumbs up.

[urban skiff]

No. Procs don't proc procs.

[urban skiff]

Great job! Post your talents and statspread 🙂

[fierce elm]

Post rear glute spread

[urban skiff]

Now that's a pose

[urban skiff]

11.0.7 patch released ate on the 17th of december

Meaning two weeks until racial-update-pocalypse

[chilly pivot]

What Will happen then, buff warrior ?

[urban skiff]

sure

[chilly pivot]

😅

We really need some buffs

[fierce elm]

I reckon there will be balancing changes

I think Arms is looking at quite a big buff because its low in every content

[urban skiff]

still trying to find patch summary

If we don't get any before christmas then expect next balance cycle to begin in s2 at the earliest

[fierce elm]

Probs saving it for last

[green wharf]

blizz is prob already on vacation

they must have like, two or three interns doing the basic shit, while not getting paid

[urban skiff]

2-3 interns get shit done. If nothing happens it's typically because an organization is too large. Too many people of interests and SMEs clogging up the decision pipeline

[green wharf]

they are basically making sure the game is reset every week

[fierce elm]

Thats basically all they need to do

s u r e l y

[limber relic]

Df dh - arms warrior edition?

[wheat jay]

Has good st in raids tho

Sooooo no

And is good in m+

[fierce elm]

Outclassed by 90% of specs

good btw

[jovial torrent]

as much as id find it fun if they buffed arms dmg it doesnt need it, it needs survivability/ the ability to stick on targets a bit better

just buff hamstring by like 10-15% and make it auto refresh on MS/overpower

[fierce elm]

Sticking = solved by damage once they do connect

Survivability = solved of they deal a lot of damage

As they say sometimes, being offensive in arena raises your victory chance a bit

[wheat jay]

Not rly

Dh can dish out a lot of dmg

But rn is so bad it doesnt even have a playable comp

Because no class gets any benefit from playing with a dh

[jovial torrent]

problem is classes like evoker where they shit out a tonne of dmg and can just ignore slows for a while

[wheat jay]

If you had more dmg you'd just kill them whenever you could connect

[jovial torrent]

evoker in one of my bg's somehow did like 30% more dmg than everyone else

[green wharf]

Arms needs a rework, buffs are not going to fix the spec playing like piss

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[wheat jay]

Skill issue

[wheat jay]

Funny thing warr actually plays well now

Biggest buff would be to remove channel from demolish

And just have it hit like rampage

[jovial torrent]

ye feels pretty good, ignore pain and hamstring for me are the most outdated parts of the kit, and def stance kind of doesnt work in this meta i feel

[wheat jay]

Making it unavoidable, suddenly arms would be #1 pvp spec

Def stance definitely does work lmao

Ignore pain is supposed to be minor

[green wharf]

i played like 6 classes this expansion, and all of then feel like playing a proper spec, arms feels old, clunky, a big blergh

[jovial torrent]

eh , i think def stance feels a little shitty cus ppl can switch targets so fast/often

[wheat jay]

Subjective

[wheat jay]

Ye, and you have 3s cd on it

[green wharf]

[jovial torrent]

yeh so for 3 seconds ur dealing 15% less dmg while they deal full dmg

[green wharf]

its not subjective that we play like we are in legion still

[wheat jay]

They deal less dmg to you whenever you use dstance my guy

[green wharf]

nothing new besides spear

[jovial torrent]

yeh but they can instantly switch off of you for no pentalty

[wheat jay]

Only that we dont?

[wheat jay]

And you take no penalty for going dstance cuz you spend two globals in it lmao

[green wharf]

whats different, you colossus smash and MS

[jovial torrent]

rogues dont need to build combo points on people, against dot casters they have dots on all 3 teammates usually ect, so theres no penalty for them switching

[wheat jay]

Apply hamstring and rend in that time

[wheat jay]

You have more mobility, you have demolish if you play it, if you're slayer your bs trucks people down

What would you expect?

You still play arms

You want new spec?

[jovial torrent]

eh i think the reason why fury is so much better is its just natually tanky unlike arms

[wheat jay]

Yeeeeee no, its mostly better because you deliver your burst faster

Delivering dmg is easier, its harder to shut you down cuz you don't mitigate anyrhing too important, like cs

If you disarm cs arms dmg goes to shit

Fury just keeps on smashing all the time

[green wharf]

what more mobility? we still ahve charge and heroic leap, demolish is trash, and slayer is just the expansion gimmick

spec is pretty much stagnant since Legion

[jovial torrent]

doesnt help that arms pvp talents are kind of locked in, sharpen should probs be baseline for arms

[wheat jay]

Shorter cd on leap and charge, two charges

[wheat jay]

Wont be due to pve

[green wharf]

in contrast other classes and specs just got even more mobility and roots

[jovial torrent]

if they baked the bladestorm and sharpen talent together

[green wharf]

so your increase in mobility means nothing

[wheat jay]

You also have two stuns, one is aoe

[green wharf]

we had since legion if i recall

[wheat jay]

Nope

[green wharf]

only real knew thing was odyn fury in legion, and spear in shadowlands

[wheat jay]

Since legion we had plenty of new things

Coming in, and leaving too

[green wharf]

such

[wheat jay]

Like banner, aftershock, charge on execute, condemn with said charge

Mortal combo being free dmg

Warbringer aka winbringer before it got gutted due to being op as fuck

[green wharf]

now, i pretty much remember banner from cata

or something similar

[wheat jay]

Banner in shadowlands?

[green wharf]

and two of the new stuff you said they removed

so we back to square 1

[wheat jay]

Which made warr #1 spec for s2?

[green wharf]

no, im pretty sure in cata we had a banner skill

[wheat jay]

Now you got a fuckton of bleed dmg

[wheat jay]

Different ability, Different effect

[green wharf]

same concept

[wheat jay]

Are you mentally slow or sth?

Not rly same concept lmao

But ok sure sure same thing

[green wharf]

you throw a banner in the ground and get an effect, how is not the same concept?

[wheat jay]

You have banner for main stats and mastery bonus on your back, buffs two closest allies as well

[green wharf]

its not new as the concept was used and re-used with a different effect

[wheat jay]

So, same as almost every class in the game?

We can have the same argument for dh

For dk

For hunters, work the same as before

Its still the same class

Ele sham being the same shit

[green wharf]

not rly, there is a lot of changes and reworks in a lot of classes

[wheat jay]

Like warrior?

[green wharf]

arms is pretty much the same but worse

[wheat jay]

That got reworked every expansion?

[green wharf]

prot and fury got some changes yeah

[wheat jay]

You got rework going from legion to bfa

[green wharf]

"rework"

rework is what they did with shaman now

[wheat jay]

From bfa to shadowlands your whole dmg profile changed and you got 4 very distinctive abilities

[wheat jay]

They literally reworked entire spec you monkey

Then we go to DF, another rework

[green wharf]

seems like the same shit to me but worse

[wheat jay]

And now we got two hero talents trees that work different from each other both offering different playstyles

[wheat jay]

Ok go reroll then and stop crying lmao

[green wharf]

already did lol

[wheat jay]

Good, now fuck off

[green wharf]

why u mad

[wheat jay]

Cuz you're an idiot for saying its the same spec as in legion

[green wharf]

looks the same to me, no need to be this triggered

sorry is not the same, its worse

[wheat jay]

In legion you had different rotation, different mastery, different passives, different big cooldowns

But sure, same

Sure, complain about the spec, but saying its the same is moronic

[green wharf]

mastery was not even that different from deep wounds, it was what, weapon amster or some shit

or it was the WoD one, but i remember legion increasing the damage you deal on the target with colossus smash instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkrGIRafR94&ab_channel=Bajheera

you can pass this action bar as today one easily

[urban skiff]

SL banner wasn't thrown on ground. You had it on your back.

[fierce elm]

DH doesnt dish out shit

stop being on this DH copium that you are huffing

[kind sentinel]

Homies thinking of the old old banner, Skull banner, Challenging banner, Demo banner. Mop era stuff. You could intervene to them back then to break a root

[green wharf]

this was the 90 talent row from mop right?

i didnt had mop, so i never got those, only remember the cata ones

[wheat jay]

ye cuz at higher mmr people see sigil of flames and press defensive or stun xD

lower they dont

dmg is there

[kind sentinel]

No banners from Catacylsm, introduced during mop levln

Only guild battle standards were a thing in cata/ the bg health one

[fierce elm]

THEY DONT EXIST THERE

[wheat jay]

ye

thats my point man XD

[fierce elm]

STOP COPING

[wheat jay]

fuck you afro

go play your little gay outlaw

shoo shoo

away with you

you haven't touched warrior in like 5 years now

[green wharf]

must have being a mandela effect then, i remember skull banner in cata

lol

[kind sentinel]

Happens

[fierce elm]

lmao

I played warr df s3

wdym

[idle falcon]

wait i thought lens was more powerful

[fierce elm]

its such a minor thing that it doesnt matter

personally prefer Lens because damage on details hit dopamine

[urban skiff]

Very seductive
So demure

[idle falcon]

i need answers

ascendance or lens

[fierce elm]

I DID ANSWER YOU

What the hell

[idle falcon]

no

[fierce elm]

this is literally an answer

[idle falcon]

i want absolute best

[fierce elm]

One of them

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-angry-slow-loop-koharu-gif-25050167

[fierce elm]

ONE OF THEM

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/cokeshakey-gif-4678583798102073303

[thick reef]

Just have two warrs

Simples

[fierce elm]

Accept that you arent hardstuck due to GEAR

OKAY

[idle falcon]

IM NOT

IM FULL CONQUEST

[urban skiff]

If in doubt. Go lens. It doesn't rely on fight length for full output

[vapid tartan]

ascendance bis

[idle falcon]

i did it guys

all time high

time for a losing streak

[visual plover]

gratz!

[urban skiff]

Gz man. Post talentbuild and gear stats

[idle falcon]

are u being serious or

XD

[urban skiff]

Never and always.

Share what works. Share what doesn't. It helps people who only lurk

[idle falcon]

i swap shattering throw with concussive blows if there is no immunity

and if there is no interrupt or immunity i take bitter immunity

i also take disarm against melee

instead of enduring rage talent

[slow solstice]

chef my number bigger so im better

[green wharf]

is your number girthier though

[idle falcon]

bigger not always better

😏

[twin sinew]

Is it worth taking whirlwind build into melee cleaves?

[copper fox]

No

[twin sinew]

ty ty

[rancid granite]

no one going odyns fury for them cause everyones just so hurt from the nerfs still

wasnt even about the #s just the audacity of blizz to make it personal

[urban skiff]

what's it like having big number

I have 1386

[slow solstice]

dont know

i dont queue

pvp is boring

no reason for me to learn

[green wharf]

[elfin surge]

dont know
i dont queue
pvp is boring
no reason for me to learn

[hasty pulsar]

nice

[fierce elm]

STOP KARGISH

ITS ASS'

[sterile moth]

@fickle forge lol are you liking spear demolish?

[fickle forge]

Only in 2s lol

I'd never pick it otherwise

[sterile moth]

With arms- although it feels great relative to how I remember it…it’s like I’m playing a different game than everybody else not in a good way.
Like I’m the last horse trader in Detroit prior to cars taking over

[fickle forge]

Spear Demolish is basically what sub rogue used to be

Except you don't have the stun duration to reliably pull it off

[urban skiff]

what is current sub rogue like then?

[fierce elm]

ASS

[fickle forge]

Converse feral druid

Rupture and then spam Cheap Shot

[urban skiff]

what's this? Useful knowledge on r/worldofpvp?

[fierce elm]

too long

[urban skiff]

There's a TLDR

[fierce elm]

yeah give me a shorter one

lmao

[urban skiff]

Dum rogue win
smort rogue win BIG

[fierce elm]

thanks G

[urban skiff]

Someone sell me on slayer arms

how will i feel playing it, when demo is so satisfying to land?

[rancid granite]

the good ol massive guide by someone hitting a baby rank is something i would not want to read :D

[rancid granite]

better charge/heroic leap cooldowns + beefy bladestorm + pummel/bolt in bladestorm

r/worldofpvp just makes me sad

saw this and all i could think was imagine being that guy

needing to make a massive post over the most vanilla comment in the history of the internet

[urban skiff]

I think it's not about the comment but about the guy throwing

[rancid granite]

still weak mental

[cinder thorn]

if its Arathi Basin / Gilneas or similar map, and there's a healer at a certain node do you even bother going there? because even if u kill his dps he will be alive by the time they get back so there's no point right? what strategy do you follow when selecting which place to put yourself in and fight in those situations?

also if u report someone do they not appear in ur queue again?

[urban skiff]

You fdon't kill at the node, you cc

Warrior in a good spot if they can get trinkets, fear has shorter cd so with many classes you can cap no matter how many are there

unfortunately cd on throw is longer than cap time so we can't really stop them from capping back without getting into the fray

[cinder thorn]

Thx dude yes I realise but sheep, lock fear, cyclone are all spammable so I don't see our 1min fear as an advantage in any way

[urban skiff]

cyclone and other spammable CC should be on a DR track that DR's universally

And now we're thinking outside the box: Fury should have a pvp talent that makes hitting into immunity bubbles and evasions stack up big dam buff for when they end.

Every dodged attack after 3rd attack increases damage done by 3%. stacks indefinitely

Let's just go all in on the warpig wailing furiously into the target who feels increasing levels of dread for when their defenses fail.

[sterile moth]

Love it

[cinder thorn]

That's a great idea

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-lotr-you-have-my-sword-gif-14641315675769934760

[urban skiff]

it's happening

I lost my mind

[fierce elm]

@fickle forge is a hpala main

[cinder thorn]

I tried healing, hate it

I see all the mistakes people make and it drives me nuts

[urban skiff]

I'm too dumb to notice that

I think i might have an advantage healing

I'm way too chill and can't rage

[fickle forge]

It's an easy life

[rancid granite]

healing is surprisingly fun

[fierce elm]

Bro I aint even invited to games anymore

from my pal Kargish

[rancid granite]

step 1 to being miserable : focus on other people

might have to undelete my paladin and start healing again

[urban skiff]

what build do I play if I'm a dumdum who just wants to play blitz?

[cinder thorn]

Bro healing is the path to true rage for me

[spice hornet]

You play rogue

[urban skiff]

I already do

rogue, feral, prot, arms, enh. Now I'm trying hpal

[fierce elm]

Whatever murlok recommends @urban skiff

[fickle forge]

If you want 0 brain usage, then herald

[fierce elm]

Kargish sucks

[urban skiff]

doesn't mean it's the most braindead

[fierce elm]

Oh no it is

its absolutely braindead

[urban skiff]

highest success =/= full simplest

[fickle forge]

Lightsmith requires 2 brain cells and is the best, and herald requires 0.5 a cell and is close

[urban skiff]

is what I'm doing

I copied someone can't remember who

[fierce elm]

herald ew

[urban skiff]

I'm a dumdum

Leave me and my two negative brain cells alone

[fickle forge]

Yeah you gotta be lightsmith if you run this

Melee wings is for lightsmith

[urban skiff]

idk what wings are melee

eh whatever

[rancid granite]

prob want imp sacrifice cool down talent too if blitz?

[fickle forge]

This is melee wings

[urban skiff]

Gimme the brief for the dumdum and the brief for wanting to play blitz with brain off

[fierce elm]

Optimizing for that 1400 gameplay

I love it

[urban skiff]

This tbh

I just want to be able to play with my wife again and bgb is more fun

[rancid granite]

holy shock everyone is tldr

[urban skiff]

She's rogue so I need a healer

[fierce elm]

get your wife to be a healer

[urban skiff]

I do shock and wog only

[fickle forge]

Here's your dumdum spec @urban skiff

[urban skiff]

she's perpetually mercy

in overwatch

[rancid granite]

spam blessings on wife, holy shock everyone gg ez

[fierce elm]

Tell her to go HEAL

[urban skiff]

I don't get the blessings

[fierce elm]

E-girl priest player

[rancid granite]

don't read blessings just cast them

I learned that from afro actually

[fierce elm]

: )

It works

[rancid granite]

boosted me to 2100

[urban skiff]

SHE DOESN'T LISTEN WHEN I TELL HER DISC PRIEST IS LIKE GUN MERCY

[urban skiff]

this isn't very helpful

[fickle forge]

What the fuck do you mean

It's an image of what to do

[fierce elm]

my guy just sent every hpala in murlok.io

[urban skiff]

I cannot stress how much I'm starting out from zero as both paladin and healer. Last time I healed was rdruid in MoP

[urban skiff]

that page is borderline useless. It tells me what everyone does, doesn't tell you why they decide to choose different things

[rancid granite]

set tab target to friendly player, mash holy shock and word of glory

[fierce elm]

do you care why they picked a specific talent

[urban skiff]

without player knowledge the overall list doesn't work

[fierce elm]

the dumdum way is to just copy paste

[boreal veldt]

🙏

[urban skiff]

Putting that to the test: If you had done that in dragonflight you'd be playing the fury RB spec, while annie was infinitely more dumdum friendly

Is why I'm askiing for specialized knowledge on how to avoid gathering or using knowledge

I want to be hpal version of annie dumdum

It's ok to play a 15% worse build if it means I only need to use 20% of my brain instead of 50%

[fierce elm]

just ignore why

and just hit buttons

[boreal veldt]

if it's like most classes just make sure you've pressed all your cds and buttons, no?

in df my hpriest open was angel and hymn when i started ranked lmfao

[urban skiff]

I mean i tried that and still got told I'm using wrong wings

clearly you're overaestimating how bad I am at this

[rancid granite]

set tab target to friendly player, mash holy shock and word of glory

^

[urban skiff]

that part isn't the problem

[rancid granite]

every rbg you get into read 1 skill and 1 talent point

and in time youll learn

:D

[urban skiff]

I'm just sort of hoping if there's a build with 10 extra buttons and another without, there's a way to make the one wihtout work decently so i can keep my brain off

thinking hurts

[rancid granite]

yeah it def has a bundle of abilities but youll catch on quick

theyre all very simple

[hasty pulsar]

how come every lobby has a frost mage

[urban skiff]

this one is so annoying. can't i just skip it?

[fierce elm]

just skip it

who cares lmao

[urban skiff]

frost mage gets more popular the more popular warrior is

[rancid granite]

no way

blessing of summer ROCKS

[hasty pulsar]

need to ban all those individuals

[rancid granite]

literally just press it on yourself on cooldown

[urban skiff]

it's ugly and i don't like it

[fierce elm]

macro it with wings kek

[rancid granite]

good idea

it's a pretty huge buff lol

[fierce elm]

or macro it with w.e 1:30 or 45s cooldown

[rancid granite]

can't go wrong to just buff self for big passives

[urban skiff]

is there a way to reset it to summer with every wings or what?

it's the changing thing I don't like

[fierce elm]

Just ignore the changing thing

and use it on yourself

[urban skiff]

It's just so .. unelegant

I already do that

i just don't like doing it

[rancid granite]

well dont dont like doing it and itll be better :D

[urban skiff]

I don't get what you mean

[fierce elm]

dont dont like it

and you like it

its a double negative that cancels each other out

[urban skiff]

how the fuck did i miss this achievement?

[fierce elm]

cant believe you ditched those bosses

[urban skiff]

I think maybe i forgot to get the kill on guardian because it never had great loot?

[tribal holly]

@fierce elm where christmas icon

[fierce elm]

yeah

where chridtmas server

huh

[urban skiff]

who do i beacon

in BGB

[sharp meteor]

pick w/e it doesnt matter its diff flavors of 2% dmg

[urban skiff]

LENS OR ASCENDANCE??!

PLEASE I'M JUST A POOR HPAL

[sharp meteor]

i imagine lens in theory cos its not dmg when u need it and just 2% random procs

[urban skiff]

IGNORE MY MOG I'M JUST A VICTIM

[sharp meteor]

er lens seems worse but

i was also of the mnd str proc wep enchant was better

esp cos trinket bonus

[cinder thorn]

im sick of waiting for queue to pop, really gonna unsub

[urban skiff]

Queue shuffle and bgb at the same time, when you get out from one the other pops

[cinder thorn]

I do

but it takes ages man

why pay for something if you cant use it

[urban skiff]

idk what to tell you

[rancid granite]

you can use it

[urban skiff]

blizzard don't decide queue length

[rancid granite]

either play or don't though it's up to you :D

[urban skiff]

if players dodge queue they can't really do anything about that

[rancid granite]

adapt and like it or don't and quit NP

(or play healer for insta q's)

[fierce elm]

do it

[cinder thorn]

ok guys, nice to know u, good luck in life

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-episode3-revenge-of-the-sith-obi-wan-kenobi-goodbye-old-friend-gif-22418556

[urban skiff]

Broooo

[rancid granite]

he'll be back

[fierce elm]

Borhanix announcing he quits is a monthly tradition

[urban skiff]

Miss him already

[sterile moth]

Haha

[fickle forge]

Can we nuke lightsmith Hpala?

[fierce elm]

CONGRATS ON YOUR FIRST 1800 KARGISH

[fickle forge]

So hard to play healer when you have permanent spirit link totem

🥱

[fierce elm]

My warrior is missing one weapon

for full honor gear at least

and a bunch of conq pieces

[urban skiff]

huh?

[fierce elm]

Its busted

[fickle forge]

It's broken as all hell

[urban skiff]

is that the melee wings one?

[fickle forge]

You got permanent spirit link

Yeah

[fierce elm]

r/worldofpvp with the memes

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm QUICK!

SHE AGREED TO DO A DISC PRIEST

[fierce elm]

SLOW!

[urban skiff]

WHAT RACE

[fierce elm]

Nelf no?

[urban skiff]

and meme name?

[fierce elm]

Or undead?

I guess

[fickle forge]

Tell her to pick undead because it reminds you of her

[fierce elm]

Toenecrosis if Undead

egirlnumberfifty as Nelf

[urban skiff]

what about the upcoming race buffs?

think nelf stays stronk?

[fierce elm]

I havent looked at jack shit

[urban skiff]

or will lf draenei or velf pull ahead?

[fierce elm]

I just full send shit

and dont read before patch notes hit live

[urban skiff]

lmao

she's making a drachtyr

[fickle forge]

It's over

Zercher married to a furry

[fierce elm]

oh lord

its joever its a LIZARD WOMAN

[fickle forge]

That's a lizard body type 2 for you brother

[urban skiff]

She going undead i think

[green wharf]

based

[rancid granite]

filthy horde

[urban skiff]

mendora

what a meme name

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/loktar-ogar-horde-world-of-warcraft-gif-18813851

[urban skiff]

I love it

[lavish quest]

But I'm not supposed to be the same MMR. DUH

[green wharf]

the interns are doing work, not on balance stuff though

[nimble shard]

what should I be reflecting against an evoker?

[exotic forge]

Everything

[magic trout]

i usually try and reflect their empowered aoe disintegrate after breath

[stark agate]

When I hear "dragon rage" in my WA I hit spell reflect

[river walrus]

first 6-0 lobby playing fury this season lol

[urban skiff]

Nice, what spec was the shaman?

[river walrus]

was ele shaman demo lock

[urban skiff]

so 50/50 lobby, not bad

[river walrus]

i think i got lucky with smaller map, otherwise i would be kited hard

[urban skiff]

luck in shuffle is a given

You know how everyone on reddit's r/worldofpvp is losing their shit over BGB being a coin toss or gambling? I think shuffle is just as much gambling

So we rely on luck and skill expression is what we do that luck

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/SpYecDYeDmk?t=2130

@fierce elm This guy says lightsmith is super duper awkward

[urban skiff]

ding 80 and ready to gear up immediately

world quests dropping bloody tokens is the goat

[urban skiff]

r

rate my bg

[idle falcon]

Which one are you

I don't see a warrior

[kind sentinel]

bro that aint a bg thats a whole zoo

[idle falcon]

Real

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[urban skiff]

The chad healer

[fickle forge]

Blitz is definitely a bigger coinflip

I'm convinced you can sit AFK and have roughly the same impact on the game

[wheat jay]

play rogue or hunter

go base

enjoy rng

[rancid granite]

[fierce elm]

ROGUE GOATED

[urban skiff]

You could in theory face 10x teams of only devoker bm frost mage in shuffle and forever crash your rating at no fault your own

[rancid granite]

[fickle forge]

Or you use Seramate and prevent that from happening

[urban skiff]

In shuffle?

[fickle forge]

Yes

[green wharf]

whats seramate

but damn evokers and frost mages were my bane doing shuffle

had no problem with any other spec

mages were a pain in the ass in general cause blinks and turning back health

[fierce elm]

Start drama @urban skiff im bored at work rn

[wheat jay]

Go sit on a cucumber

That will start some drama with your boss

[fierce elm]

Say your DH opinion again

[rancid granite]

lot of copium in here about rng

rng talk is just what losers say

[fierce elm]

oh no

[urban skiff]

Danish Legoland is best Legoland

[fierce elm]

Fuck you

I wanna go TOO

[rancid granite]

who is god julheart

[fierce elm]

Merry Christmas and a heart brother

[urban skiff]

It's pretty Christmas but they also started renovating so lots of stuff not accessible right now

[fierce elm]

We are looking at going next year because I am a lego nerd freak

[twin sinew]

If i've got about 10% haste from gear, should I be favoring frenzied enrage over powerful enrage?

or is it a comp based decision?

[boreal veldt]

sounds right on paper but i think it's more about feel than anything

[wheat jay]

say your bitch opinion again

bitch

[ruby temple]

Hey guys does anyone else think BM hunters need a buff? I played a game last night and one actually died and wasn't even too damage!

[fierce elm]

remove every spec

[ruby temple]

Can only queue as BM or Feral

Like Metzen always intended.

[rancid granite]

he's CLIMBING

[full quiver]

it's like impossible to get queues

at 2370-2400 right now lol

[copper fox]

MASSIVE

[rancid granite]

💪

[wheat jay]

said warlock

disgusting piece of shit

[rancid granite]

meanwhile me playing fury:

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-bongo-cat-warrior-gif-27388603

no clue what im doing pure pve dps

[wheat jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1291879530243293337/20221115_132954.gif

[tribal holly]

@fierce elm christmas icon when

[wheat jay]

when he musters enough courage to look someone in the eye

without shrinking down and walking away

[tribal holly]

Oof maybe next year then

[wheat jay]

hopefully

[fierce elm]

WHERE CHRISTMAS SEEVER

THIS DISCORD SUCKS

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/kovu-scared-rubberband-cat-gif-17060467

[sharp meteor]

[urban skiff]

I got a year pass so I can swing by anytime with my kiddos

[slow solstice]

wrong rotation

[rancid granite]

whats ur ss rank

ill believe you if youre higher than me

[slow solstice]

the gifs rotation is wrong

after every rampage it would have a crushing blow

and it double crushing blows

XD

[urban skiff]

you sure about that?

[slow solstice]

im talking about the gif

nice reading

!

[urban skiff]

Why would it have crushing blow when nobody plays RA?

[slow solstice]

i dont know im not the creator

its in the gif

[urban skiff]

oH yeah I just noticed

It's from back when crushing blows was granted by recklessness

in shadowlands

[slow solstice]

[spice hornet]

People still respond to @wheat jay ? He’s been known to be a dh/hunter main and doesn’t even play warrior

[urban skiff]

in here we're all warriors and nobody plays arms, fury or prot

[wheat jay]

i do play warrior tho 😄

[north thicket]

I play a target dummy in plate! And I still suck at it unless I make some gigachad split-second decisions when some random caster duo targets me with cds

[rancid granite]

i lose in pvp because:
my class
everyone else
blizzard
lag
RNG
mages op
cyclones
pikabooirl gatekeeping me every match

[wheat jay]

I'll take pikaboo over snupy any day of the week

Always

2s games into snupy feel like 3v2, not counting his buyer

[rancid granite]

i wish i could fight them in low ass ranks lol

people complain but that sounds like something you usually gotta pay for

[fallen solar]

Yo is that a WA that pops up when to execute?

I have no idea how to operate addons. I would just find that one useful in classic

[azure geyser]

Is there a warrior pvp matchup guide?

[fickle forge]

Don't lose

[full quiver]

Yeah its if ur fury in shuffle u win 4-2 every game vs anything

[rancid granite]

might go 3-3 and still gain rating tho 💪

[wheat jay]

Go 1-5 and still gain

Easy

[sharp meteor]

nah too hard and not worth to constantly update

wow arena too niche for anyhting other than reading off what murkio says

[lavish quest]

No, just think it's combat text

Maybe addon, maybe baseline I forget

Def not a wa tho

[sharp meteor]

isnt that literally the default ui combat text lmaooo

[rancid granite]

I like the Christmas portrait kennie

[sharp meteor]

🎄

[urban skiff]

Me when Bajheera mentions me

[azure geyser]

Damn, well im just trying to get into pvp but i cba to play all other classes too to learn what and how they do

seems like its a massive hassle to learn

[urban skiff]

You're a warrior

don't bother learning

Just zugzugg

[azure geyser]

Well thats sad

[fierce elm]

Dont have to learn every spec to know what they do

Know the things you can personally counter

Damage cooldowns, big defensives/small defensives

Just need to know those, in general damage cooldowns are tied to 1-2 per spec

But some are more important than others

After that its learning what to kick from casters, after that its learning how they set up those damage cooldowns

But you only need to know what x cooldown does

[fickle forge]

You don't have to

Just learn what their major CDs do

[urban skiff]

you always benefit from knowledge, but the spirit of warrior is to leap into combat and think on your feet

I prefer to live that fantasy over winning more 🙂

[fierce elm]

After that its just optimizing

knowing what situation hitting into a defensive cooldown is correct, what you can survive, if a damage cooldown even requires an answer

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm won my first skirmish today as a healer

[azure geyser]

I feel like theres too many matchups where I dont know what the most optimal thing to do is

Im just randomly hitting buttons trying to put down damage, but often im lowest damage done in SS

[urban skiff]

Don't compare yourself to others in shuffle

[fierce elm]

huge

[urban skiff]

step 1: figure out how to do damage without thinking

[fierce elm]

Meaningful damage > Pad damage

[urban skiff]

step 2: ???

step 3: worry about other stuff

step 4: collect reward

[fierce elm]

Figure out your rotation first so its always on lock

[urban skiff]

one hundo this

Top priority is being able to autopilot damage. Be careful you don't learn to autopilot mobility while getting the reps in for damage

mobility is the next step for maximizing your damage so it's better to learn to autopilot it separately so you don't ingrain bad habits

Like you have 1 charge and zero leap left, no rallying cry. Get a few charges back if you're going to hit the mage

[fierce elm]

You should know how to deal damage, how to set up damage and stuff like that

after that you just auto learn what specs does

Most specs come down to the same thing, pop a cooldown, deal more damage

Very few specs arent tied to that archetype

But yeah, you dont need to know every spec

[urban skiff]

Trying to remember what specs don't work like that

Best I can think of is feral but that's more a deal of always being high damage

[fierce elm]

Affli, Feral to some extent, Outlaw to some extent, Spriest has sort of the same vibes, Elemental shaman has ascendance but due to RNG its less of a worry

A lot of people focus on huge cooldowns, which in the case of Outlaw would be Adrenaline Rush when in reality Vanish is the big pop

same with Shaman and primordial wave

[urban skiff]

really? what makes vanish that big?

[fierce elm]

BtE has no cooldown during Vanish

Or stealth

So you just spam it with combo points during it

While Adrenaline rush is on a 3 minute cooldown in tooltips, which makes it sound like a huge cooldown

when Vanish is the huge one

[azure geyser]

I'm parsing above average for ilvl when ive been raiding

I think im okay at the rotation

Unless theres something else I should know about it

I usually just go in, pump avatar to get a defensive, and afterwards I pop trinket + blood fury

[azure geyser]

Okay but how do I learn that stuff, when this chat is just "go zug zug"

"theres no pvp guide" and "theres no matchup guide"

Its like im trying to learn a new thing and people are like "theres no help, you must just know it"

I like Kiratank for PvE
I tried to watch Bajheera but I dont really get most of the stuff he does and theres no explanation most of the time

[fallen solar]

Yo. What is that that shows a text such as execute that floats across the screen and disappears? Is that a weak aura I’m assuming. If so, I’m fucked cause I don’t know how to use WA unless I copy a profile

[fierce elm]

Read the regular PvE guide for other specs

Its the exact same damage cooldowns

If you want to go more in depth you start watching people play a specific class

Even you can just go into whatever spec on murlok.io and look through talent trees

and take note of things that specs can do actively

That and watching people play, vods or w.e. Make note of when they use cooldowns and why

Its a lot of self-learning unfortunately

[fickle forge]

Would need to see the gameplay

[azure geyser]

Thanks I guess I'll try to get someone to review my games with me

[fickle forge]

Just pop it in a thread in the channel below and it'll much clearer what your struggles are

[rancid granite]

q next.

[sly ember]

It could well be this. If not this addon will allow you to do something similar; https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mik-scrolling-battle-text

[fallen solar]

Man weak auras are so confusing.

I’d have to actually watch a video on how to make my own

[copper fox]

It’s not a weak aura

That execute thing you want is literally an in game feature

@fallen solar kennie literally responded to you then you asked again today

[fierce elm]

Why make weakaura when they exist

[fallen solar]

I must have not seen it. What is it then?

Oh god damn

I’m working nights on no sleep I forgot I asked 😆

[rancid granite]

lmao i thought it was a new meme i didnt understand

went full circle back to default ui or something

[fallen solar]

Guess I’ll check out my UI next time I’m on lol

Yeah I’ve been up since 1pm yesterday. Went into work at 8 and now just got off

Brain needs rest

[green wharf]

such a bitch ass achiev

the game ends before i get all 30

this gonna be some rng to get

[lavish quest]

Just kill more

4head

[green wharf]

but if i kill more the game ends too quickly

cuz we got all the bases

see, got 10 from ww, lh but not mines

[lavish quest]

How? I could offer to give hand jobs to people to play OBJ and randoms still won't do it

Queue into more average teams

[green wharf]

wat

[lavish quest]

U heard me

[urban skiff]

Literally impossible to get these days

Best option is to kill but don't cap

What are we training today boys? I'm on deadlift and zercher squats day

[green wharf]

i think i will do that and risk the report

only one im missing

[urban skiff]

I need one achievement for all the meta achievements. Figure another 20 years and i have the rest

[green wharf]

im most like that as well, either missing two or one

[rancid granite]

Sunday is rest day always

light a candle put on a movie and do some full body light stretches for 2 hours

https://tenor.com/view/iasip-dennis-jesus-on-the-cross-look-lean-gif-16668462

[urban skiff]

Went to Legoland yesterday so today i relax by training

[rancid granite]

sounds like you did leg day with all that walking

[urban skiff]

Front load carry more like it

[rancid granite]

lol

[urban skiff]

Somehow kids forget how to walk when we're out

[rancid granite]

it's all an act I'd still do it if I could get away with it

[fierce elm]

I do that too but GF says im too heavy to piggyback

Today is rest, laundry, 2nd advent celebration and boys game night day

along with work

tomorrow is chest and shoulders baby because I am tired as fuck of powerlifting so just gonna do w.e I want

[lavish quest]

Sunday is a day of work

Cause I'm at work

[urban skiff]

You should do zercher squats

[fierce elm]

Naaa I am doing volume feel work and just gonna do high rep ranges

Until I feel the need to ever push my 1rm again

[urban skiff]

You can do high rep zercher squats!

[fierce elm]

Yeah I can also jump of a bridge lmao

[urban skiff]

If you hate living

[fierce elm]

You aint gonna bait me into this

[urban skiff]

I do 5x10 zercher squats after deadlift

[fierce elm]

Yeah nooooo

Just gonna do feelwork, focus on good ass form and steady progression

Probably time to slim the fuck down too lmao

I am currently sitting at like 113-115kgs

Its getting ROUGH

[urban skiff]

Come down i to the 100kg range. I may not be stronk. But at least i look fat

[fierce elm]

I figured 100 or mid 90s will be fine