pvp

[fierce elm]

We literally have a spell like that

bozo

nerd ass

[wheat jay]

Away with you vile beggar

Go beg your light for help

[exotic forge]

They should make Slam our auto attack, like Crusading Strikes

[fierce elm]

2 button rotation lets go

[wheat jay]

So, op and ms

[fickle forge]

Only if the 3rd hit auto logs off and deletes the enemy's character

[wheat jay]

Aftershock did just that

Let me remind you I played it, and stacked full mastery

For aftershock oneshots lmao

[urban skiff]

Would be kind of cool if arms had 6 second time between autoattacks but still normalized damage

[exotic forge]

It's that or give us Crushing Assault back

[fickle forge]

You only ever got farmed by Grim playing it

[green wharf]

with my deranged thane build yeah

[wheat jay]

I was grim before grim got famous 😦

In s1

[urban skiff]

What's the idea?

[wheat jay]

His idea is to suck cocks, like every paladin

[fierce elm]

3 use ability

or 2 use

that guarantees collossus hits without defensives/stuns

[urban skiff]

It's thane v thane. Only disaster could follow. Show build

I like the idea of demolish applying a 7 second stun on final hit.

It would reward landing it on targets without stunning them first.

[fierce elm]

First hit like a 80% slow+generates rages and does like low damage, second hit has to be hit within 5s or it disappears into collossus

Just how wake of ashes works right now

[wheat jay]

Thsts wack tho

[fierce elm]

Literally how it should work

[wheat jay]

Generate 10 stacks with ms like now, and do it 3 times

Its a 3hit ability

[fierce elm]

Guarantees 3rd strike hit

bro idk what yall want

turn rage into stacks who the fuck knows

[wheat jay]

No, same as now

Ms generates a stack, crits generate two

So 30 stacks for last big hit

[fierce elm]

Just make it be use within X seconds or wait cooldown dweeb

No reason for Hammer of Light to exist in that way but Collosus be tied to just randomly standing still lmao

when they do the same damage

[urban skiff]

Make demolish replace avatar

Idk. I just want to upset people

[wheat jay]

Wack tho

[fierce elm]

Has to have a downside

[wheat jay]

Why make it same as other class when it can be its own version

[fierce elm]

Because that would be BUSTED my g u y

[wheat jay]

Downside is having to stack it

[fierce elm]

Ever heard of balancing

[wheat jay]

Ye, doesnt exist

[urban skiff]

Missed opportunity to say downside is having to play warrior.

[fierce elm]

I know we are roleplaying devs here but dont go too far into the role lmao

Im expecting Demolish buffs though

Because it SUCKS

[wheat jay]

I wouldn't be surprised if it actually got changed into that 3 spell combo

[urban skiff]

Demolish getting a rework eventually. Won't last all expansion without something

[wheat jay]

Makes sense

[fierce elm]

sucks in pve+pvp

[fierce elm]

makes sense for some change

cant wait for them to add HERO TALENT BUFFS as a separate talent thing right beneath the actual hero talent

[urban skiff]

Make demolish like upheaval+root from auggies.

Like give additional effects based on what you use after demolish

[fierce elm]

It fits perfectly beneath it

[urban skiff]

No intervene? And 4 stacks of meatcleaver?

[green wharf]

increases tclap damage

[fickle forge]

I was Mud before Mud

[wheat jay]

Thankfully you grew out of it

[fickle forge]

I very literally grew out of it

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-seid-look-up-abs-muscles-gif-14321614

[robust hearth]

@elfin surge u playing prot today?

[elfin surge]

bruh

[fickle forge]

bruh

[wheat jay]

bruh

[lavish quest]

bruh

[urban skiff]

Prot when

[sharp meteor]

yo fury/blood/mw?

[green wharf]

wasup ma bitches, wanna a pick me up?

[fickle forge]

Please no blood

[hasty pulsar]

how much it cost to get that generally speaking

apparently need 600 points?

[green wharf]

i trade the code for a wow token, cause im not a murica

[hasty pulsar]

oh gotcha

grats looks badass

i need 1

[exotic forge]

As do I. But you can't have em all, little Timmy

[hasty pulsar]

I will get mine

I SHALL!!

just need to figure out the cheapest way to get it..

[exotic forge]

You're not in the US I assume

[hasty pulsar]

nono, I am

still gotta find some cheap mountain dew

I refuse to pay 'full price' for things, especially now during this bidenomics giga-inflation

[rancid granite]

you could just not buy mountain dew

[hasty pulsar]

well yeah I normally dont

[exotic forge]

Doritos are your best friend

[hasty pulsar]

yeah but the problem is

with the Doritos, apparently the codes are on the outside of the bag or some crap and people are stealing the codes. meanwhile with the mountain dew the codes are under the caps

[rancid granite]

get yourself an old school chopper in-game

[hasty pulsar]

already have the chopper

[exotic forge]

I hate that they changed the sound for it

[rancid granite]

real sad the new ones have no licence plate lol

[hasty pulsar]

wat

they took away the license plate??

[rancid granite]

on the new mtndew/dorito ones right

no PWN plate

[green wharf]

today i got 1900mmr, got 2 vicious saddle, and that bike

thanks trump

[green wharf]

the deathwheels is sick as well

[exotic forge]

They never had em

[green wharf]

poor people who didnt got at that time

[exotic forge]

This is a relic

And I'm proud to say I own it

[green wharf]

it have fucking axes as handlebars

[rancid granite]

LOL

whats the name of it

[green wharf]

warlord's deathwheel

[fickle forge]

Get ampere if they have it

Literally like 80 cents

[rancid granite]

horde only and unobtainable atm 😭

[hasty pulsar]

not sure I have that.. I may check out Aldi though perhaps, they are my go-to good deal place

Aldi the only like 'major' European grocery store I have near me

[fierce elm]

Cant you still just buy it

or is that alliance only

[lavish quest]

Ally only

[fierce elm]

owned

[lavish quest]

Winner of the contest got awarded for free, other put on vendor

[fierce elm]

Imagine not playing in MoP and watching the show where they made a motorcycle dawg

watched each episode on RELEASE

or was it for WoD

one of them

[lavish quest]

You didnt have to watch it lmao

[hasty pulsar]

where do I buy the alliance one

[fierce elm]

I did anyways

it was good entertainment

[lavish quest]

Boomer

[wheat jay]

Ye and now winner cant buy it

Loser can

[lavish quest]

Yup, dumb system

But blizz does that constantly so nothing new

[hasty pulsar]

100k for the treadblade ehh...

hmmmm

I guess worth it to add to my collection even though Ill never use it lol

[boreal veldt]

did hotfix say what we're working out today?

[rancid granite]

it's a focus on mobility and full range of motion

[fickle forge]

Legs

So you can catch up to BM hunters

[boreal veldt]

legs gonna be pillars of carthage at the end of this season if that's the rational

[urban skiff]

gonna hit gym right now and do shoulders

fuck that was fast nerf to guardian

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/wXhEaFElioY?si=wubvdz2lkcEE7Ewg

No preview this time because I'm training but yeah. Let's goooo

Haha enh is A+ tier

Same as arms

[rancid granite]

are we allowed to say arms is A tier

lol even the intro of the video makes a joke of it 😛

[urban skiff]

It's A+!

Only ranged had S tier

Also sub is stupid low

Fun list

[rancid granite]

that part makes sense i guess

close to 2k in ss on sub and half the matches i get 'wtf rogue dmg stupid, nice job good job'

and i have no clue what i even did

[green wharf]

what hero spec u using

i was playing outlaw the other day

the coins flipping pissed me off after a while

[rancid granite]

i've been swapping; i hear trickster is 'easier' to pull off, but deathstalker is a little more bursty/defensive?

but i don't notice any difference

[urban skiff]

I always follow palumor about rogue stuff. He seems to have a grasp on the kind of advice my dumb ass needs

And he says the same thing

[rancid granite]

i'm so surprised by this list though, arms above fury and ret? and assa is B

[urban skiff]

If results are the same. Pick the thing that is easier to do

[rancid granite]

yeah lol

[hot solstice]

List for ppl below 1800

[rancid granite]

im sure with a lot more experience i'd notice the subtle difference

[urban skiff]

It's basically a tier list of "average player ratings".

As in, middle of player pool has what rating?

[rancid granite]

1800 ranged is top 16% and 1800 melee is top 10% 👀

[urban skiff]

Some things never change: ranged always believe they have it harder. Ranged always has it easier

[sharp meteor]

Stop using skillcapped.

[lavish quest]

Warrior is really good at super low ratings where people let you kill them. Thanks skillcapped

[lavish quest]

And?

[wheat jay]

thats low rating

[lavish quest]

And?

[wheat jay]

stop being sarcastic if you know it all

smh

[lavish quest]

My point there is everyone saying warrior is good. They just forget the when you let them win part

[fierce kite]

what do you guys think is better? Sword craft or double lining?

[wheat jay]

2400 shuffle, NA

fury

is

good

in shuffle

this is EU

[copper fox]

Yo I use to be one of those

Then I tanked

[lavish quest]

Lotta people letting fury win

Wut do you want from me?

[wheat jay]

nothing

fuck you

[lavish quest]

[urban skiff]

No. I use it to keep track of what the average players are going to do and think after skillcapped releases a new video.

@fierce elm still shoulder injuried. Was one rep short of a new PR. Two reps short of 100 max.

[haughty jewel]

stop using skillcapped and start using chatgpt

[urban skiff]

Not unlikely you could put all class spec abilities into a gpt and get a rotation

[sharp meteor]

Chatgpt says queue with bdks

[fierce elm]

die

[fierce elm]

sadge

[urban skiff]

Enh bdk sounds fun

Enh bdk feral. All the heals

[urban skiff]

I'm sad but also not sad. It means I'm going to nail a new PR on my 3+ week.

[urban skiff]

Recklessness should apply enrage for full duration IMHO.

[haughty jewel]

No.

[fierce elm]

Im back to not working out to let my tattoos heal, been studying driving theory and school and I am so absurdly bored

[haughty jewel]

start gooning

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-hello-dog-shades-glasses-gif-17649298

[robust hearth]

I feel loved

[urban skiff]

You know what you need.

D&D LEGO

[fierce elm]

no lmao

INEED TO SAVE MONEY

[rancid granite]

is there no freestyle lego game

(not minecraft)

that'd be cool

[fierce elm]

You can always build stuff in a program

pretty sure there is a specific one made for designing new sets that you can import instructions and pieces into

[rancid granite]

ok there you go

that idea was for you not me

[urban skiff]

Freestyle how? There's an excellent adventure game with a steam demo. I can send link later if interested?

There's also stud.io for free building

[rancid granite]

like, build D&D lego sets on computer so afro can save money is what i meant

lmao

[urban skiff]

Stud.io is what you want for building. When done you can press a button to generate instructions

[rancid granite]

afro can print screen and hang it on his wall when he's done

[fierce elm]

Whats the POINT of that though

ALSO WARCRAFT STREAM

RN

[rancid granite]

to still play legos but save money

[urban skiff]

Some big wow news revealed at the end of the stream. Idk what

[fierce elm]

Wow 2

Warrior nerfs

Probably 11.1 news

[urban skiff]

People make bank selling instructions to custom LEGO MOCs

Like 20 usd for digital instructions is normal

[fierce elm]

Yeah but I like building physical stuff

[urban skiff]

Me too. I miss working on cars

Now that it's not my job anymore at least.

[fierce elm]

I just like fiddling with shit

Calms my ADHD brain down

[urban skiff]

Ok working on other people's cars fucking sucks and working on your own is fun

Same

[fierce elm]

Aint nothing better than to go into a 1 hour fix and turn it into 8 hours

[urban skiff]

Only ADD no H for me. Got the base experience, no dlc

[fierce elm]

poor

Stuff today wtf

Oh yeah you get rewards for watching too

Hearthstone x Starcraft is pretty wild

[scarlet barn]

wild indeed

And Mist Classic

[fierce elm]

aight

was good knowing all of you

I have really appreciated all the conversations we have had over the year

But I must go

@fickle forge what you playing in MoP classic

[fickle forge]

Arms

Duh

[fierce elm]

aight

[fickle forge]

I heard KFC was invincible in MoP

[urban skiff]

this is enough to earn reward right? But how do I know when I've gotten it?

[fierce elm]

It shows up on twitch notifications

[urban skiff]

I'm trying out youtube connection

[fierce elm]

I mean im either ret or enhance lmao

[urban skiff]

Mostly because I don't like twitch

[fierce elm]

Enhance in MoP was peak fun

[urban skiff]

rogue warlock was great in mop 2s

[fickle forge]

Idk if it was MoP or WoD that turbo was S+ tier

[fierce elm]

KFC and WMD was aids

if I remember correctly

[scarlet barn]

Mist gamers

[fierce elm]

Ret/Warr was decent

Warrior was just always strong so yeah kek

[fickle forge]

The golden era

Retail is deadge

MoP is salvation

And then we get 2 lit expansions back to back afterwards

[urban skiff]

WoD classic when

[scarlet barn]

Please no SL classic

[verbal tangle]

MoP is where people develop PTSD from Stampede

[fierce elm]

Goblin patch lets go

[fickle forge]

We need it

Lit af PvP

[urban skiff]

GOBLIN HERO CLASS CONFIRMED

[fickle forge]

Garbage expansion, but lit PvP

[urban skiff]

WE'RE GETTING SUPPORT ENGINEERS

[fierce elm]

Yoooooo

DRIFTING

VEHICLES

[fickle forge]

I'm just gonna read the WoWhead summary posts

[fierce elm]

Hell yeah dood

I mean you get a mount if you watch for 20 minutes

nerd

[scarlet barn]

I wanna smack some Mist

[urban skiff]

what the fuck you can read?

fucking mages

[fickle forge]

Ah so we can all be evokers now then

[fierce elm]

Dragonflying ground mount what the FUCK

DRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFTING MOUNTS

BABY

[fickle forge]

Name 10 books

[fierce elm]

Harry potter

done

[urban skiff]

bible

[fierce elm]

The Quran

[urban skiff]

MOTHERLODE RETURNS

lmao

[fickle forge]

My phone book

[fierce elm]

Lets fucking GO

this looks so fucking sick ngl

[urban skiff]

I think youtube is a bit behind twitch afro

[fierce elm]

THEY MENTIONED ARENA

LETS GO

it probably is

[fickle forge]

Eyo they mentioned us?!

[urban skiff]

HE SAID ARENA

[fickle forge]

We're not forgotten, just unloved

[fierce elm]

ARENA MENTIONED

new arena lmao

[urban skiff]

countdown until they tell us it's an objective arena where we have to push cart

[fierce elm]

Looked like a square arena

with 4 holes in it

[scarlet barn]

Afro do likes holes

[fierce elm]

D.R.I.V.E

[urban skiff]

spoilery

[fierce elm]

aint no way

a i n t n o w a y

[urban skiff]

FUCKING PLAYER HOUSING

WHAT

WHAT

WHWHAHAT

[fierce elm]

PLAYER HOUSING???

[scarlet barn]

No way

[fierce elm]

yoo boutta invite Kargish to my abode

[fierce elm]

Looks to be for Midnight

and not TWW

[urban skiff]

yep

but I think TWW will only last 3 seasons

[scarlet barn]

Yup

[urban skiff]

hype tbh

[fierce elm]

I wanted UPDATES NOW

[copper fox]

Wait so when does s1 end

Jan? Or end of winter which is like end of February

[fierce elm]

Post winter

so probs post event

[urban skiff]

guessing mid feb

[copper fox]

Doesn’t the event end Jan 2nd or something

That’s mid winter lol

[urban skiff]

2nd week of feb will probs be season end, then patch hits on week 3, and season 2 begins on march week 1

[copper fox]

I’m glad there’s only 3 seasons tbh

[urban skiff]

depends on whether season 3 is a stand alone season or like DFs4

[boreal veldt]

plunderstorm 2 counts as pvp acknowledgment right

[lavish quest]

No. Back to your corner pvper

[urban skiff]

did people unlock rewards yet?

[verbal tangle]

From what?

[fierce elm]

said I got it in drops

havent checked in game yet

But you can get it until december

[urban skiff]

trying to do it with youtube is just annoying

I have no progress bar and no way to know when it's done

this is all i have to trust

[fresh jacinth]

should I be crafting non mastery conquest pieces? like feet piece (for arms)

[hasty pulsar]

anyone know how apparently a prot warrior 'flew' to our base in eye of the storm and stopped our dude from capping fr

like I didnt see this happening

but apparently this dude 'flew' into our bdk

and made us lose

[urban skiff]

depends how much you want vers. Crafted pieces have 50/50% vers where bought conq pieces have 3/5th vers

[urban skiff]

probs dragoncharge as drachtyr

seems like the kind of thing that could work

[hasty pulsar]

oh shit...

that is absolutely wild

that is just

dirty

my god

[urban skiff]

haven't tried myself but rumour has it glide retains momentum

[hasty pulsar]

yeah that must be what it was

that shit needs to go

[urban skiff]

report it ingame, remember to say it's affecting both prot warriors dragoncharge and hunter disengage

[hasty pulsar]

lol i left and didnt report

didnt think that is what it was but it must of been

[verbal tangle]

Shut the fuck up, I'm rerolling as we speak

[urban skiff]

ydon't report him, m8

[hasty pulsar]

ohh

[urban skiff]

report the bug in the support tab

[hasty pulsar]

like feedback right

ok yea

[urban skiff]

I will not allow you to stray from the path of the vulpera

[hasty pulsar]

i couldnt believe it

[urban skiff]

bro's don't let bro's stray from the furry path

[hasty pulsar]

i was like how do u not cap fr

[fresh jacinth]

hmm idk what I should be prio'ing. I'm 1k player so doubt it matters much, but wanted to know how the big guys doing it. I think ill just buy the npc ones at least I will be getting the transmog stuff.

[verbal tangle]

Don't put that shit on me

[urban skiff]

kt human all day every day

[verbal tangle]

I don't play fatasses

[urban skiff]

i regret immensely that I didn't make my shaman kthuman or vulp

[urban skiff]

I'll play anything if it triggers or offends people

time to reroll survival drachtyr

[hasty pulsar]

vulpera is great soon we will have a 40 yard 80% ranged slow

gonna throw that shit on everything

[hasty pulsar]

thanks for idea, just submitted bug report.. hopefully no one else has to experience this crap

[rancid granite]

name me a class/race that doesn't trigger or offend someone

[wheat jay]

dog design

survi is boring now

ngl

[hasty pulsar]

best part of playing vulpera is just owning dudes then they gotta live with the shame of being owned by vulpera

[wheat jay]

in terms of fun i'd say dh is near the top

even if its very weak now xD

[verbal tangle]

Just play Veng

[chilly magnet]

What percentage of crit should I stack for col arms ?

[boreal veldt]

yes

[boreal veldt]

i run 23% crit

you probably only need 20% just so your warlord's torment brings your demo/ms up to 50% crit chance

[plush cairn]

imagine if warrior had base shield wall / ip

[chilly magnet]

Ya I sit at 21 depending on when my racial for nelf is on or not

[boreal veldt]

it'd be nice if rally was an actual defensive again

[vapid tartan]

It’s not bad with master and commander

[boreal veldt]

but isn't it wild that a 10% hp boost is a 3min cd and needs pvp talents to make it a button

[hasty pulsar]

Just awful

[boreal veldt]

nothing about 10% hp justifies 3min imo

[chilly magnet]

It's a terrible talent and needs to be at least a 30 percent boost

For 3 min

[boreal veldt]

that'd be way broke for pve, but the 30% movement speed could be baked in

[chilly magnet]

True

I forgot it boosted the party

For a minute lol

[vapid tartan]

Master and commander should just be baseline imo

but tbf it doesn’t feel bad to take

[chilly magnet]

I feel like with rogue and hunters disarm is mandatory talent

[boreal veldt]

oh man it feels excellent, i run it in bgb all the time, especially if i don't need sharpen? it's great

1min group sprint + group root break + 20% group hp is insane

[vapid tartan]

What else is there to take

Sharpen and storm

Everything else is small for bgb

[chilly magnet]

I don't take storm as much as I prob should

[boreal veldt]

storm is good for slayer, i run warbringer as col

[chilly magnet]

I love war bringer

[vapid tartan]

I just play storm on Teamfight maps tbh

[boreal veldt]

ever forget shadow of the colossus exists

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-of-the-colossus-kitty-cat-dog-confused-gif-17832094

[vapid tartan]

ye so many useless talents lul

[vagrant swan]

any tips on how to deal with priest/bm hunter?

[urban skiff]

kill 'em before they kill you

who's our resident sub rogue right now?

Afro is ret
artji is surv
Kenni and buhsac are prot

but who's the rogue?

[fierce elm]

Leveling my outlaw rn

its 71 now

[fierce elm]

sub wtf cringe

Outlaw is so fucking dumb ngl

no cooldowns basically

[urban skiff]

eh

[fierce elm]

Nothing like getting 6 Between the eyes randomly

kek

[urban skiff]

I got my enh, feral, prot war, soon survival and sub

I hear outlaw has an annoying coin drop that'll drive me nuts and assa is just "worse feral" so sub it is

[fierce elm]

The coin drop is hilarious tbh

constant pings

[rancid granite]

outlaw mains has an unintentional buff atm from mountain dew sales

[urban skiff]

huh?

[fierce elm]

Flipping a coin constantly

[rancid granite]

rogues just jacked up on mountain dew with the high APM

[rancid granite]

thats ME

[fierce elm]

Outlaw is just mad enjoyable

incredibly annoying

its great

Fast as fuck gameplay too

[urban skiff]

well I do enjoy being annoying

[fierce elm]

Grappling hook also feels amazing ngl

[rancid granite]

i've yet to actually play outlaw since its harder than sub but the new grappling hooks sound so fun

[fierce elm]

Constantly jumping around

[rancid granite]

cant you do like 4 in a row

[fierce elm]

It aint that hard tbh

you only keep track of RTB

You can do 4 in a row lmao

[urban skiff]

grappling hook is just worse heroic leap tbh

[fierce elm]

naaa

w a y faster

multiple charges

same cooldown im pretty sure

[urban skiff]

give heroic leap two charges

[wheat jay]

https://youtube.com/shorts/l6WQq21xEVo?si=wJz0wYGNybKMF4Bw

[boreal veldt]

i feel attacked

[urban skiff]

should i bother having rupture in a rotational spot on my keybinds or is it only niche uses?

what do I do for damage outside the big cds? What's my micro burst supposed to look like?

[wheat jay]

Cuz you're too slow?

Your loop aint tight enough?

[rancid granite]

rupture op a casual opening is like flag->rupture to start it off

you dont do much outside big cd's

[urban skiff]

so shadowstrike flagrup?

[rancid granite]

finishers amplify flag (and finishers decrease cd on shadow dance too)

[urban skiff]

I think I struggle with what my goal should be when dealing damage. Is it to put out as many shadowstrike eviscs as possible during dance?

is it just adadadad'ing enough per global?

it's just a mystery to me

[rancid granite]

so for the initial burst its like shadowstrike>flag>rupture> cooldowns (blades dance symbols tea trinket) -> then ss>tech>ss>evis>ss>evis>ss>evis (or cheapshot>evis>cheapshot>evis)

stack dmg modifiers pump big evis

it seems more and more people going 4pc for secret tech to be another +dmg modifier

thats my details on a basic opening on a dummy

sell tech prob more dmg cause aoe but ya

the aim to proc this for big dam

not too diff on trickster i think

[rancid granite]

and yeah tldr kinda lol; sometimes ill mess up and get confused but ss>evis spam works

[urban skiff]

I feel like my symbols and dance seem to line up very well so am I expected to always use them in tandem?

secret tech almost always lines up as well

[rancid granite]

afaik yeah, same with blades/flag

i assume thats why

most just get 1 rank in it?

maybe rank 2 is to help the dmg in-between go's?

i'm no pro i just lurk on rogue discord and watch people on youtube and slowly getting the hang of it better

[urban skiff]

hnnng

[rancid granite]

trickster seems a bit easier to pull off i guess its like 50/50 on what hero spec to go

[urban skiff]

I'm full on willing to play dumb easy builds if I get just close to normal performance 😄

[rancid granite]

i dont really notice a difference im not good enough lmao

i tell ya though having so many stuns and cc is very empowering

[urban skiff]

if I have dance symbols and tech ready, what order do i use them and what do I need to have ready before?

[rancid granite]

uhh idk, i just pop em and start stabbing; i got 4pc though

s

so ss->tech to start

or maybe i try to keep a rupture up first

then pop em and ss>tech

also i macroed tea+trinket to symbols, idk if people use tea seperate or not but w/e

i keep forgetting the new change

to try not to go below 30 energy

[urban skiff]

double lens or vers?

[green wharf]

mop remix annouced

peak of warrior arms

[urban skiff]

you mean classic

[green wharf]

ye ye

[rancid granite]

majority still going lens :b

[urban skiff]

for rogue?

[rancid granite]

yeah

hard to beat just basic +dmg, no gimmick to it

[hot solstice]

Finaly?

I mean there is no such sentence for s2.

so its not like another mount or illusion

[rancid granite]

what does it mean

[hot solstice]

maybe they make new rewards systems for pvp/pve

[rancid granite]

ohh everyone wants that

given their new ss and rbgb modes it'd make sense

[lavish quest]

For pve*

[green wharf]

dude coping thinking blizz cares about pvp

[hasty pulsar]

we getting a new arena i think?

and we just got a new bg

i mean could be worse

[exotic forge]

We're getting a new arena themed around the Undermine

looks like the Ring of Valor ngl

[hasty pulsar]

im actually hyped for undermine

glad goblin gonna get some noteriety around here!

plus we gonna get a new car

i mean its actually looking like a fun patch

if anyone says otherwise the only appropriate response is 'wat'

[exotic forge]

We're getting a cool customizable mount and potentially the ground version of Skyriding, possibly

[hasty pulsar]

yeah exactly

going to be badass

gonna be grand theft auto: undermine

[copper fox]

New arena irrelevant because BM wasn’t nerfed

😏

[hasty pulsar]

didnt they just get nerfed

[copper fox]

Literally 5% overall dmg

It’s a tickle nerf

[hasty pulsar]

i see

do they need more?

[copper fox]

Yes

[hasty pulsar]

i see

[hasty pulsar]

yes lmao

XD

[green wharf]

new arenas are like the most lazy shit, they could have done one per patch tbh

just reskin it and done

[green wharf]

excuse me its a 6% nerf

[hasty pulsar]

cannot deny that but it is something..

[rancid granite]

just like it for what it is and itll be a fun new area :)

[boreal veldt]

tokyo drifting into world pvp sounds fire

[green wharf]

worldpvp cant rly be fun with tanks and immortal healers

[kind sentinel]

War mode being a toggle kinda kills it though :c it’s so dead these days rarely see anyone out and about

[green wharf]

its even shittier with the instant dungeon macro

that people just go follower dungeon to avoid dying

[hasty pulsar]

I am expecting undermine may go down as one of the best zones of all time. remember this post in the future.

[fickle forge]

I am expecting undermine may go down as one of the worst zones of all time. remember this post in the future.

[maiden tapir]

wtf can we do against mages i need some pointers

[fickle forge]

DDoS them

[maiden tapir]

calling my chinese connect right now

[copper fox]

I am expecting undermine may go down as one of the worst zones of all time. remember this post in the future.

[sharp meteor]

Why

[copper fox]

Man

Idk scroll up

[fickle forge]

Copypastas brother

[exotic forge]

Whisper them logs to the point where it lags their whole computer

[undone wraith]

Omg is that how people are disappearing into the nether at like 3%? Had that happen a few times over the last week, fuckin rats.

[green wharf]

ye

[maiden tapir]

you are a genius

[exotic forge]

The size of my forehead is as big as my rage

[urban skiff]

I know 5 is a bit early in the morning but it's wild there aren't enough people for the afk-mode

[urban skiff]

wonder what this average is based on

[cyan oracle]

Any updated general arena guide? I'm getting fed up of waiting screen generator (m+)?

[torn sigil]

The average has never been real tbh

Or based on anything

[urban skiff]

Probably not. I assume it's the average queue of the last 100 queues or something. Slow queue means slow adjustment

[dapper walrus]

As mentioned earlier, i am totally new to rated PvP and got to 1.8k on Arms recently (playing more games really helped a lot to improve, thanks @rancid granite ) Next goal for me is to get close to 2k, if possible for me. So I looked more into Murlok.io and realised that Fury is performing way better than Arms. Tested it, but it feels pretty rough for me.

Can anyone tell me, why Fury is "better" than Arms? It feels more Squishy (e.g. no Ignore Pain) and my dmg is lower. I tried to fix a few secondary stats (right now only around 15% mastery, cause of Arms build) and got the reality check by the Conquestpoint Cap, so no easy sec stat changing ...

What are the strong points of Fury compared to Arms? I know, there is a lot of skill issue on my side, but I want to improve for the long term and want to know, if its worth to go for it and do some swapping in the next week or two.
Would be really nice, if someone can help a noob here 🙂

[final ocean]

Fury deal more single target dmg

And have more mobility

[dapper walrus]

Mhm... Need to Check my Rotation and build than i guess. DMG Numbers Look fine at the End of a Match but it feels Not that controllable and kinda random

[scarlet barn]

How does fury have more mobility than arms

[urban skiff]

Fury gets better the more aggressively you can play. If it feels squishy then you're still playing like an arms.

[urban skiff]

Anger

[scarlet barn]

I have anger

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-always-angry-i-am-cap-gif-20198895

[dapper walrus]

Probably, any recommendations ? Hit as often as possible? And i really need to zugzug more i guess. Sometimes getting kited feels really Bad as Fury ^^

[urban skiff]

Other classes do ABC. always be casting.

You'll want to do ABZZ

[scarlet barn]

Always be zzing

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-standing-napping-sleeping-asleep-zzz-sleep-gif-26141229

[fickle forge]

It doesn't

[scarlet barn]

So what is this lad on about

[fickle forge]

No clue

[urban skiff]

Fury walks faster

Fury had extra root breaks

Fury technically still has a root break arms can't budget. From battlefield commander rallying cry

Fury has double bladestorm

[fickle forge]

Arms can play this too though

And double storm isn't played

[urban skiff]

Arms never do. Cannot fit the pvp talents to have fun

[fickle forge]

Yeah they do

Sharpen is the only mandatory talent

[hot solstice]

…

Fury never goes 2 bladestorms…cause reck storm with 3 stacks 100-0 ppl

Second take

Fury always go ms+talent for shouts

Though arms can actually drop sharpen vs disc priest

So don’t say fury has more freedom with pvp talents cause slaughter house/sharpen+ commander is mandatory for both

[dapper walrus]

you mean the tier set stack?`Or what stacks do you mean? (totally new to fury)

also: Whats with Warbringer PvP Talent? seems quiet nice against hunters, mages and the slows from Spriest to me

[fierce elm]

Whatchu playign withj my outlaw @fickle forge

its 76.5 rn

boutta pop off

[fickle forge]

My D probably ngl

[fierce elm]

Feral/Outlaw

who are they gonna kill

[hot solstice]

Slayer stacks

[fierce elm]

They cant kill Rogue

Feral is wild

[hot solstice]

Love how ferals can just bear on 15% and run into sunset while their healer is in 6sec cc

[fierce elm]

Cant kill outlaw because they always have defensive CDs kek

[dapper walrus]

hte marked for death? Doesnt this just buff your execute? how does it work with Bladestorm?

[fickle forge]

If Afro goes gay, then I may as well pair it with BM hunter

[fierce elm]

lmao

Outlaw is mad fun brother

I cant help it

[wheat jay]

You're both giga gay if you roll it

[fierce elm]

you are just a hater

[hot solstice]

when u consume slayer mark with sudden death execute u get 1 stack buff on ur bladestorm stacking up to 3 that gives u extra hit on bladestrom. with 3 stacks ur bladestorm does 50% more damage in same time + 2 more hits from unhinged=more chance for reap the storm and slayer strike to proc aswell

[fickle forge]

The ideal move is not to play

[wheat jay]

Real

[fierce elm]

Yall doomers

[dapper walrus]

omg.... thank you so much! Didnt realize this and didnt track it! This helps a lot 😄 Thank you!

[hot solstice]

u welcome

[dapper walrus]

I really love the talent trees the did with DF, but JFC, the webbing between spells and abilities is hard to track if you start an new class/spec

[fickle forge]

Fortunately fury is mastered when you start playing it

[green wharf]

techincally no, fury have a talent that increases 15% speed while enraged

[fickle forge]

That's cool and all, but generally when we talk mobility we mean CDs

Unless you're feral

[green wharf]

i mean, if you are faster you are more mobile

[fickle forge]

😎

Warrior is fixed

[dapper walrus]

ok, i think I found a way to pressure a kill now 😄 love this!

[hot solstice]

thats how u track it...and u dont need to consume mark, just use sudden proc for 1 stack

[scarlet barn]

War games

https://tenor.com/view/war-games-joshua-woppr-strange-game-doctor-only-winning-move-is-not-to-play-gif-16198386

[dapper walrus]

Yeah, will do a little WA for this and Test it later. Think this will increase my BS DMG a Lot

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/blush-blushy-hide-embarrassed-gif-14915694

[exotic forge]

Make sure you make a playlist with heavy metal and/or phonk music in it. Scientists say that warriors gain a 50% increase to their gameplay and damage whenever they listen to that music.

[green wharf]

imagine taking tips from rogue players smh

[exotic forge]

Make sure you also workout irl to increase your overall performance as a warrior

This is more efficient as an Arms warrior

The bigger your muscles, the harder you can press Mortal strike

[copper fox]

Yea that’s a fact

Pretty sure the most most jacked and strong people in wow play warrior

[exotic forge]

Every good warrior is jacked, ripped or is a dad

[fierce elm]

Lies

MUD is 5’2 400lbs

and is not working out

[thick reef]

damn 😦

[rancid granite]

yeah but he sucks and doesn't play

so you're just proving the point

[fierce elm]

Boutta become an Outlaw main and be addicted to red bull

and vapes, cant forget those

[copper fox]

@elfin surge wtf

[elfin surge]

huh

[fierce elm]

MUD is a BM main now

He is a mod in the hunter discord

[copper fox]

Rogue mains ^

[fickle forge]

https://youtu.be/m0kzTpSlKiU?si=qj_W5fAejQi7H6ML

[scarlet barn]

Despicable

[fickle forge]

@fierce elm

[fierce elm]

YOU ALREADY KNOW IT

Boutta fucking kidney so many treents DOOD

Cant wait to prove the haters wrong

boutta become a goated rogue

[scarlet barn]

You cant be goated as rogue to begin with

[rancid granite]

channel your inner Ming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDXXr3ad3is

this shit was so hype 20 years ago

Pat the warrior and Ming the rogue; remembered them for 20 years now lol

[exotic forge]

Pat mention

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[rancid granite]

I'm glad someone else remembers lol

[exotic forge]

I watch it on occasion to get motivation to push rating

[boreal veldt]

warbringer is v good into kite classes and it's another cc outside of stun and fear DRs, though slayer builds might value storm a little higher

[fierce elm]

someone give me a logical reason you lose 20% of honor when transferring

[patent forum]

To keep you on the hamster wheel buddy

[dense herald]

you dont need to track it rly i usually send it with recklessness,also youll know it has max stacks when bladestorm lights up

[fierce elm]

Missing two honor pieces on rogue smh

at least there is comp stomp right now

[exotic forge]

Inb4 you don't get any que pops

[fierce elm]

Got one

the quest for heraldries dropped immediately lmao

[verbal tangle]

If you do it through the item it was 20% tax too

[stark agate]

Fury has the recklessness/avatar talent for root breaks, and anger management will give you a lot of reck casts. Also the 10% movespeed on enrage so sticking to people is a lot easier in general

[fickle forge]

Must be sick to pop burst and cleanse your root to get RNG rooted on your Charge 1 sec after

[stark agate]

colossus smashing just to get cced and kited feels worse

[exotic forge]

A 10% speed increase vs a class that slows/roots you constantly hardly changes anything, sadly

[stark agate]

movespeed matters guys lol don't just downplay it

[fickle forge]

It does

But 10% ain't gonna make the difference

[exotic forge]

When it's something like Death's Advance

Yes

[fickle forge]

Real problem with warrior uptime atm is how ass Hamstring is

[stark agate]

with speed enchant it's 114%, fury gets 124%

if you want to go elusive blasphemite it goes up to 132%

guess that doesn't matter tho

[fickle forge]

As if arms can't get the above

[dense herald]

they should either remove hamstring and make howl have no cd or make hamstring off the gcd

[fickle forge]

It's a 10% difference

[stark agate]

Which is pretty fucking good

[dense herald]

does it rly matter tho when ur slowed for 70% by every class

[exotic forge]

It doesn't matter when you're facing a class that slows you constantly

[stark agate]

You can even just run at people without needing to spend a gcd on hamstring

[fickle forge]

And it would have made a difference if we didn't have the weakest slow in the game

Some rogue Garrotes my healer and now I am slowed by 70%

Like ye sick

I'm spending Charge on people holding W

[exotic forge]

Honestly, the longer I stay rooted and slowed, the harder my Mortal strikes hit for

[stark agate]

between reck, avatar, and bladestorm just by using your rotation those slows are cleansed, they need to re slow you

Why does every pvp player put speed on their gear

because it matters

[fickle forge]

It matters yeah

But when we all have it, we're on even ground again

[exotic forge]

Imagine if we had Thirst for Battle in 2024 lol

[fierce elm]

Kargish arguing over Warrior when he is rerolling feral now

[stark agate]

no you have 10% extra lol

[fickle forge]

Which is offset by half the specs having stronger slows

[exotic forge]

Everyone else has speed increases as well and better slows

[haughty jewel]

Hamstring is op

[stark agate]

is everyone here just a doom poster hardstuck 1800

[fickle forge]

I mean bro you don't really say anything besides 10% MS

Lmao

[stark agate]

extra avatar cast

[exotic forge]

Excuse you, I'm a 2,1k hardstuck

[stark agate]

that you get from anger management cd reset

[exotic forge]

Get it round ye

[fickle forge]

Are you catching up to rogues with your 10% MS increase?

Or frost mages?

[stark agate]

thats 2 cases of extra mobility

guy

[fickle forge]

Okay and that's sick, but does it matter to the point it's significant?

[stark agate]

Yeah I'd say snare break and 10% movespeed matters

[fickle forge]

When mobility CDs are what you really want

[stark agate]

I dare say

[fickle forge]

Especially in an Hpala meta

[exotic forge]

It hardly matters when the mage just blinks out of your charge, roots you, you charge again, blinks away, leap at them, blink again, etc.

[stark agate]

as if shit it that one dimensional

[fickle forge]

Mage having freedom is giga brain Blizz

[exotic forge]

But most, if not, all ranged classes have it as such. Ranged slows, roots, etc

Just because you don't feel it doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't

[fickle forge]

Your speed increase matters if it was like it used to be where mobility CDs and slows were mostly even

But it ain't anymore

[exotic forge]

Unless something like Avatar suppressed slows for a few seconds, it hardly matters. And we had something like that for Fury in Legion

1 sec Bloodthirst, cleared slows and increased speed

There's a reason why it got removed lol

[fickle forge]

Was also busted af

[lavish quest]

Warrior being able to play the game?
Busted af

[exotic forge]

Double Bloodthirst procs too

Fury couldn't be slowed the whole game

[green wharf]

it reminds me how blademastorm torment now cast the shit sweeping strikes

so no more doublebladestorm to help the roots

[dense herald]

[boreal veldt]

the talent really is true to it's name, it's a shit talent that torments the name of blademasters

[urban skiff]

what race do i make my hpal?

I suck at healing and haven't done it since MoP

[rancid granite]

human 🫡

hpal healing is easy i believe in you

[urban skiff]

Human is infinitely worse for healers

healers have reduced trinket cd and human is just straight up worse

I'd play kthuman but no kthuman pal

eh fuck it

[rancid granite]

reduced trinket cd?

whats wrong with human?

[urban skiff]

human is good because the trinket racial right?

fuck I might just make an earthen just because of the fast levelling

[rancid granite]

this too

the stun removal saved my ass so many times tho

[urban skiff]

wait what's getting buffed?

[rancid granite]

using trinket:

->

using racial:

you get that 30second leeway then -30seconds on the trinket

[urban skiff]

is lf draenei any good?

I could see regular draenei as sort of functioning

because of the percentage based heal

[boreal veldt]

was about to say lf draenei is getting a racial buff

Light’s Judgment radius increased to 10 yards (was 5 yards) and its visual size increased.
Light’s Judgment’s damage increased by 40% and it now deals reduced damage beyond 8 targets.
Holy Resistance has been renamed to Holy Providence and now increases healing done by 1%.

[urban skiff]

less than a month to lf draenei

guess that's what I'm going with if I can be bothered to figure out hpal

Wish more guides would list abilities in "this you will use a lot, this you will use sometimes, this you'll probably never use but once in a while it's good to have it bound"

[fickle forge]

Bopingmyhead

Bubbleoseven

If you don't use these names

You're not making an Hpala

[open glacier]

what are bg blitz rewards? I know the titles, but is there something else?

do you get the glad weapons at 2k1?

[boreal veldt]

ye you get all the rewards from 2.1-2.4

you cant get glad mount though

[fallen estuary]

Amaboutubop

[open glacier]

not that good to get the mount but winning most games at 2k2 MMR, still 1800 but climbing 20 by 20 points... xd

thx for the info

I use to play 2s with my brother but that category is deflated af and I think it will be harder to get it

[fickle forge]

Blessthefree

[boreal veldt]

[fallen estuary]

Boppingongfr

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-ferris-yikes-ferris-buellers-day-off-oops-gif-4950597

[verbal tangle]

LF Dranaynay

[urban skiff]

what transmog?

LF draenei hpal transmog?

rate my rogue ui

am i doing the spaceship thing right?

[fierce elm]

wtf is that LMAO

[rancid granite]

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

What is that

[urban skiff]

Lmao I'm just memeing, put a bunch of stuff on fake bars to make it look like regular rogue ui

[spice hornet]

All you need is the shadowy duel one shot cast sequence macro and you’re good to go

[urban skiff]

link it

I was going to say I don't even have shadowy duel but turns out I kinda do

guess i forgot it exists

[rancid granite]

its like the best ability they have

[urban skiff]

huh

gimme the macro

I wanna be a dumbass

[fierce elm]

its goated macro

[urban skiff]

any idea what the greyed out icon could be?

I'm using a WA i picked up and some of the things don't have any entries in the WA list and leaving me clueless

[rancid granite]

lol @ one shot cast sequence he's memeing

[fierce elm]

do you always just randomly pick up weakauras lmao

Looks like the old PvP talent

dont know if assa has it

sub*

[boreal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-player-speaking-wow-gif-27271750

[fierce elm]

Im just tryna get conquest rn

its incredibly fun playing outlaw though

[urban skiff]

sure

I like to play hard mode

[fierce elm]

0 gear andy queueing solo shuffle kek

[urban skiff]

I macro pickpocket into my sap macro so I can always get gold

this is my hp

[fierce elm]

LMAO

god

[sharp meteor]

I like how everybody gets the weakaura package that has every buff/aura in the middle of their screen

then doesn't hide their bars

[fierce elm]

I only have a RTB macro

and combo point macro

[urban skiff]

if i hide the bars how do i click on rend

[fierce elm]

that is true

Look at this BEAUTY though

shoulda leveled my other rogue called Yarr though

[urban skiff]

rtb?

[fierce elm]

Roll the bones

I am outlaw boy

[wheat jay]

you're both wack

[hasty pulsar]

why that rogue wearing blademaster beads

[fierce elm]

yeah why is he weird

[hasty pulsar]

that is appropriation at its finest

[fierce elm]

imagine not going edge lord as sub

[urban skiff]

I don't get how you can macro roll the bones

[lavish quest]

The weak rogues have invaded the server

[fierce elm]

I am in the CHAT

[rancid granite]

i get compliments on my mog too

rogue mogs lovely

[fierce elm]

Leather fucking blows for transmog

dont @ me

[rancid granite]

3 mogs in a row just now dont lie??

the new t2 set rockin too

[urban skiff]

me too for some reason

[fierce elm]

weird

[rancid granite]

lmao

[hasty pulsar]

its no kul tiran thats for sure

[exotic forge]

This is a good mog

[exotic forge]

This one isn't

[urban skiff]

first kill fuck yeah

[urban skiff]

this rogue was made in TBC

Or it would've been KT or tauren

[hasty pulsar]

so ur saying shes 18

[urban skiff]

like literally

[hasty pulsar]

😄

[urban skiff]

probably almost literally

[hasty pulsar]

;D

[urban skiff]

actually it was made in vanilla but I don't think i finished levelling before TBC release

[hasty pulsar]

she 20 year old

lookin good

[green wharf]

why are all these shaite elves

yall have shit taste

[exotic forge]

There he is

[hasty pulsar]

indeed

[urban skiff]

warrior came back and killed me

turns out having 3m hp is bad

AV is taking ages and everyone speaking german

and only german i know is "peppa wurst"

[fickle forge]

Sick game we're playing

[fallen estuary]

Wtf is that name

[urban skiff]

guess this counts as a win

[fierce elm]

a russian one

[rancid granite]

btw

best dagger mog

daggers suck but this one is modeled after the og phantom blade sword

[tribal holly]

Nice

[fierce elm]

Dont want to alarm you guys

but I just hit 1k rating in solo shuffle

[rancid granite]

it allows me to play sub/assa

[tribal holly]

Congratz youre large

[fierce elm]

I am HUGE

[tribal holly]

Afro im worried

[fierce elm]

so am I

I intentionally leveled a rogue

[tribal holly]

I was catering a concert today

People didnt even go to dance they just sat at their tables on phones

[urban skiff]

@rancid granite how to solo defend/cap as rogue?

[fierce elm]

cursed solo shuffle healer

[rancid granite]

sap #1.... smoke+flag they cant target inside of it....... cloak+flag they cant use spells, so a mage would have to run up to bonk you on the head with his staff...

sap->they trinket->blind ...... kidneyshot>flag

that dagger is kinda neat but its still a dagger

[urban skiff]

naaaah

it's like, ridiculous

[urban skiff]

what classes can counter this? war with sap and can leap into smoke, pet classes obviously

[rancid granite]

im still figuring it out lol

leap into smoke->blind, he trinkets, kidney

its all good on paper but when it happens its hard not to mash 5 different keys at once

[urban skiff]

fastest conq farm right now?

done daily bgs so everything gives sub 30 per win

I want to say comp stomp just because it's guaranteed 10 per 6 minutes

[fierce elm]

Solo shuffle lmao

[wheat jay]

3s and 2s

assuming you win

[urban skiff]

that requires winning

there's absolutely no way I'm going to win with 3m hp and I'm trying to skip past honor gearing

[rancid granite]

blitz wouldnt be better than ss?

[wheat jay]

no

too long

[rancid granite]

quicker Q more of a chance to win in lower gear id wager

[boreal veldt]

i do enjoy when it's a big diff and half the losing team just gives up

[spice hornet]

lower cr 3s spam

[urban skiff]

again, there is no way to win without honor gear

[rancid granite]

farm wpvp chest drops / dirt mounds for bloody tokens while in Q

[urban skiff]

winning is a prerequisite

[spice hornet]

you asked about conq?

spend 2 hours getting honor gear, honor isnt even a problem for anyone unless you weren't playiung the game at all previously

[urban skiff]

I'm greedy