pvp

[green wharf]

when our heroic leap will stun people on land?

[fickle forge]

Ye they're drifting nascars with wings

[boreal veldt]

[green wharf]

should have put some png weapons there, but oh well

[lavish quest]

Damn, shitting on our pve warrior overlord huh

[green wharf]

tbh, it was the first image google show with "fury war icon"

so i though it would be funny

[lavish quest]

That's our great theory crafter and wowhead guide writers pfp

[green wharf]

i know

[lavish quest]

If you know things, shouldn't you be 1800?

[green wharf]

WHAT DID YOU SAY BROTHER

[vagrant swan]

hey lads arms = haste fury = mastery 11.05?

[green wharf]

also i got this gem on my team

he was a BM hutner btw

[green wharf]

seems soo

i though im enjoying a bit more haste on fury playing thane

[latent fossil]

So... Warbreaker or Colossus Smash

[vagrant swan]

any input on what is better slayer/thane for each?

[green wharf]

Slayer is above, by any metric i think, since everyone is playing it, every high rankers

i am doing better with thane

[vagrant swan]

thanks a lot ❤️

[green wharf]

because cleave is helping my team a lot

and its tons of fun

[green wharf]

feels like thunderclap slow is also helping against BM zoo

[green wharf]

depends... but i think Blunt whatever is better overall

[sharp meteor]

how many targets

both good it depends c:

[slow solstice]

yo never pvped do we send ms on cd or build with 2op to go for kills or both

[fickle forge]

MS on CD

[slow solstice]

ty

[boreal veldt]

slam hitting harder than overpower

[green wharf]

[fiery kindle]

I just hit 80 and got mostly honor gear and a piece of wpvp. Holy shit tho i am bad

Too used to being a rat on my rogue.

[green wharf]

going to be a lot of learning

[fiery kindle]

My best was 1870ish in SS on my arms early dragonflight

Just been a while

[slow solstice]

i have 0 clue waht im doing

i just hit 1800

wtf is this mode

[silk steppe]

Wish we could send conquest to alts.

[fiery kindle]

solo shuff?

[slow solstice]

yep

[static knoll]

ok wtf do you do in a 3 range lobby... just getting bullied by fmage sp and aff

[serene kestrel]

anything to know about 2's as arms? running with a sub rogue

[radiant oasis]

hey guys havent had much time to play lately but i finally managed to get gettiku cut of death to drop in a kings rest 14. which corruption should i go for for 2v2?

[green wharf]

rocking with the lightning set

[green wharf]

i just hit the healer

[fierce elm]

Yeah you are going to replace your rogue with a healer and then climb rating

[fierce elm]

PTSD

[green wharf]

i did some skirmishes as arms, 2x without a healer is miserable, dont do it

with healer is poggers

[serene kestrel]

rip

[boreal veldt]

so as col arms, and i hate this, slam is a better button than execute outside of sudden death procs

[green wharf]

execute seems like a tap if you are not prot

i think even critting with the rend attack would do more

[boreal veldt]

yeah went ahead and dropped improved exe

[green wharf]

its a weird wow that slam hits more than execute

[boreal veldt]

i mean this is specific to colossus but yeah slam over exe feels bad

[green wharf]

in fury im doing more with bloodthirst

than execute

[green wharf]

@urban skiff faced like 3 enh in shuffle yesterday, none of then got the memo about the Thane build, everyone was going for stormbringer

[urban skiff]

It's super weird how people focus on stormbringer

[green wharf]

i think you can't win against visuals/looks

stormbring give you a big blast

the other is a goofy totem

[urban skiff]

Totem hits stupid hard bro. I'm in love with it now

[green wharf]

but look goofy

[urban skiff]

It's my little bro

He's like r2d2 if r2d2 was a nuke.

[green wharf]

and a pole, since it doenst move

[urban skiff]

I macro the totem move into my sundering. Bro coming when it matters

Every lightning bolt cast increases his damage done.

I think it's uncapped

[crimson sentinel]

Yo any good fury warriors that stream blitz?

[plush cairn]

i finally start to get a feel whej ill have my cds up

feels like i know when my storm bolt is up every time i fkin use it

i dont even look at my cds

ill probably gear up another warrior as gnome and get a feel for it

nelf/gnome and ill main dracthyr

until i find the perfect playstyle for me

[green wharf]

just imagining expending more money to gear up another alt it pains my soul

good luck there

[slow solstice]

can someone explain why we play ip

i swear its impossible to stack it

[plush cairn]

its cheap now

i spent like 700k on main now

enchants r3 ggigacheap atm

aswell as crafting

but crafting wise i have a bdk blacksmith alt with pvp recipes

and a jc

i think im 2-3 games away from 2100 in solo shuff

[green wharf]

thats not cheap brother

[plush cairn]

yeah thats week1-3 prices

now its cheap

[green wharf]

the matterials are pretty spice on my server i guess

[plush cairn]

i remember ring enchants being llike 25 each

mats are region wide

[slow solstice]

mr syegfryed you can help me understand why arms plays ip

[plush cairn]

i broke even with bloodstones tho

think i sold like 60 of em

[green wharf]

what is ip

[slow solstice]

ignore pain

[green wharf]

because is the only defense we have

[slow solstice]

https://tenor.com/bO4ci.gif

god this mode

i just tried a shuffle match

perma spamming

couldnt get it past 2 stacks

but it always exploded anyways

[plush cairn]

only solos im struggling are when theres a fucking feral in it

i love locks and mages

so squishy

here take my dps on yo ass

dracthyr knockback op against monk circles lol

and sometimes u can los if they play aggressive against pillars

[slow solstice]

idk what mages you are playing vs

but that class is so fucking turbo immortal

[plush cairn]

i take barbarian when i play against them

rebound

[slow solstice]

if that is a pvp talent idk what it is

[plush cairn]

and dracthyr glide bunny hop to them lol

[green wharf]

fire and arcane are berable

frost is free loss

[slow solstice]

amen

[plush cairn]

idk i fuck frost and locks

[slow solstice]

also question

do people actually get stuck at 1500

[plush cairn]

ahh yeah i can also use dracthyr knock as an extra interrupt

i was stuck at 1500 week1

[green wharf]

depend on the mode i think

blitzz im sutck at it

[plush cairn]

blitz iis cancer but i feel like i have to carry the game to win at 1700

25 kill games just to win that shit

if u have a pocket healer

[slow solstice]

idk

i have 0 pvp exp

1800 1 day

[plush cairn]

its my first season pvping

[slow solstice]

https://tenor.com/bSbQp.gif

[plush cairn]

2027 solo atm 1700 blitz and 1740 22s

ill probably start doing 33s If i find ppl to play with

FFaster Queues than solo and more rewarding

[slow solstice]

idk i have interest in queuing other than im bored and im capped on crests

i cba pushing io and dont want to play my aug

[plush cairn]

im 17001700io

fucking autocorrect

[green wharf]

from what i seen, its more easy to get into the 1800~~1950 nowadays than before

at least this season

numbers are a bit inflated i think?

[plush cairn]

1600 week1-3.feels like 1900 now imo

1700 blitz players feels like goijg into legacy raid and farming

[green wharf]

i mean from past expansions, but i dunno, first time im doing ranked pvp as well

[plush cairn]

my mmr is fucked in blitz

when i was getting into 2300 games constantly it was fun

communication, ppl knew what they were doing etc

lost 3games and my mmr dropped to cancerlow 1400

[fierce elm]

Blitz was giga inflated

and now they boosted every other bracket

so everything is giga inflated

[plush cairn]

is 3s a good way to learn pvp?

[fierce elm]

Personally, yes

2s is also pretty good

[plush cairn]

I played 113 matches in a single sitting of 2s

but i prefer 3s still

[green wharf]

yesterday i teamed up with an arcane mage and a disc, to help the priest get the elite set, so we did some 3x

[plush cairn]

so meta rn is what? Resto + fury? In 2s

arcane in pvp is disgusting

[green wharf]

in like an hour we got 1200, but the disc had no enchant, gems, embelishments, just a pve guy with conq gear

now he is learning quite abit

[plush cairn]

3s is more rewarding

[green wharf]

i think 3s is more fun as well

yeah

[plush cairn]

fast queues 1% saddle per win

also glad mount potential

[fierce elm]

Hell no rdruid s u c k s

[plush cairn]

Why?

[green wharf]

already crossed that potential from my list

im happy with my set

[plush cairn]

i got my elite set week2-3 then quit for 4 weeks

came back now

i didnt have any goals after that, felt like i was done

[green wharf]

i had abandoned my warrior a while ago, so i was doing pvp with MM and warlock

[plush cairn]

took a break and now im having fun again

[green wharf]

got 1800 on then and came back to war for the set

[plush cairn]

if i ever pvp on any other class ill go frost mage

higher skill ceiling

[green wharf]

i dont see any druid healing in shuffle

[plush cairn]

disc priest + ret pally?

[fierce elm]

Rdruid is just in the dumpster

they dont have enough panic buttons and stops to goes unfortunately

compared to the top tier healers

[slow solstice]

what is a "top" healer in pvp

[plush cairn]

yeah makes sense

druid is all about dots and hots

[slow solstice]

in pve meta is moving towards disc and been rsham

[plush cairn]

u just go gigachad ballsdeep deathwish on his ass

no more hots

[fierce elm]

Hpala and Disc are top dogs rn

MW is quickly rising too

[plush cairn]

hpala big kit

[fierce elm]

The healers who have multiple stops and arent relying on HoTs to keep everyone up is just so much better

Hpala and Disc have like 80 oh shit buttons

[plush cairn]

yeah i hate it

[fierce elm]

MW has cocoon, revival and also unlimited movement while having infinite mana

[plush cairn]

like imagine playing against ret+hpala

constant immunes

i mean immunes mean i do big dam

[fierce elm]

Rdruids biggest cooldown commitment right now is not enough to heal through non-burst damage its wild

[green wharf]

all healers have infinite mana too though

[fierce elm]

Not rdruid

rdruid is struggling

[plush cairn]

until they get put up against double wqrrior

unhealable dps

[green wharf]

once i saw a disc without mana in a blitzz, he was still healing just fine

[plush cairn]

mana 404

[green wharf]

but holy paladin are very hard to play against

[plush cairn]

so hpala/disc + ele sham + fury

sounds like a good comp?

[green wharf]

ye

could replace fury for a REt paladin for efficiency though

[plush cairn]

are 3x dps 3s viable?

[green wharf]

i dont think you can even quee like that

[plush cairn]

hmm

u can

turbo cleave comps

[slow solstice]

what would you drop to take shattering?

bitter?

[green wharf]

ye

[fierce elm]

no

[slow solstice]

would you also drop sharpen for the shattering talent?

[plush cairn]

no

sharpen is the movw

move

u use shattering throw just for immune basically that cdr wont mean shit

[fierce elm]

hell no

[plush cairn]

I tried playing war banner/sharpen

kinda ok

not sure if anyone uses banner lol

[fierce elm]

Your flex talent is Master and Commander

[plush cairn]

also for solo shuff

do we even take batt commander?

[lavish quest]

Eyyo, congrats brutha

[plush cairn]

fury warr

i checked murlok

everyone uses battlefield commander talent from the top furry warrs

in solo shuff rankings

is the reason being 5% dam increase from tr?

[fierce elm]

Yes, because its good

[plush cairn]

and the shouts

[fierce elm]

Just a good talent overall

[plush cairn]

slaughterhouse/barbarian/bcommander?

[green wharf]

💖

[plush cairn]

barbarian/rebound

depending on situation

[green wharf]

it buffs all the shouts, its bery nice

[fierce elm]

Rebound ass dont @ me

[slow solstice]

am i playing the wrong pvp talents then?

[plush cairn]

i play death wish 3stack sometimes in solo

if i see some rounds i can get them to low hp

but cant KO

[fierce elm]

Those are the correct choices

[green wharf]

dead wish is a trap

[plush cairn]

so death wish fixes that error

[fierce elm]

the fuck

[green wharf]

only if your healer is baller

[plush cairn]

imagine doing 2mil dps full ST

pure panic

i love panic

[green wharf]

but im not fan of another button

[fierce elm]

You also take 2m dps full ST

lmao

[plush cairn]

nah

they run

[green wharf]

disarm u

[plush cairn]

use dracthyr knockback for los'ing pesky casters

away from healer

and then death wish their ass

panik

[fierce elm]

Dracthyr spotted respect ⏬

[plush cairn]

spear for root

xD

more panik

lock cant run

with his shit gate

[slow solstice]

i could also play disamr?

[plush cairn]

im running 45% mastery 28% versa just so i couls make ppl panic

[green wharf]

you should play disarm against some melees

especially other wars

[plush cairn]

i take disarm against melee

[green wharf]

disarm while fully buffed with avatar and shit

[plush cairn]

rebound/death wish against casters

barbarian

[green wharf]

war ->

[plush cairn]

if i see lock or amogus

i take spear

so they waste thwir gates

cuz usually locks are dumb

and waste gate inside spear whilst rooted

[green wharf]

i dont take barbarian cause the time-limit to use the second jump is too low

[fierce elm]

yes

Barbarian is also ass

fun

but ass

[plush cairn]

hmm

so slaugherhouse/batt commander / rebound or enduring rage

is the move i guess

[fierce elm]

Rebound also ass imo

lmao

[plush cairn]

it is good

[fierce elm]

Is ass

[plush cairn]

u reflect 2 dogshit casts against u

lliterally wasting their time

[fierce elm]

Yeah, doesnt matter when everyone has 400 different projectiles

that doesnt need to be cast

Anyone half-competent would throw a lil shitty spell against it

[slow solstice]

i legit

have 0 clue how i won

[fierce elm]

Hit buttons

[slow solstice]

fuck pvp

[plush cairn]

rebound 2x cast / interrupt 1x / dracthyr knockback 1x / shockwave 1x / storm bolt 1x / int shout 1x

liteeally

6x wasted spells

[fierce elm]

Garbanzo

[slow solstice]

are we sks enjoyers in pvp

or...

[plush cairn]

Can also go nelf to waste their gcds xd

[fierce elm]

Nelf kek

[plush cairn]

and honestly i tried prot warr in pvp, the damage for being a tank is insane

[fierce elm]

You are overcooking here

[plush cairn]

500k ST

like wtf is that shit

hp bar dont move

[slow solstice]

mr afro

what if i dropped eb to play fatality

[fierce elm]

fatality sucks

because execute sucks

[slow solstice]

ik

i wish it cranked

[plush cairn]

nelf is good in both pve/pvp

[fierce elm]

Execute is just a filler now

[plush cairn]

gnome is the move

dracrhyr if u wanna make people open scoreboard and press leave game

[slow solstice]

what could i play instead of eb

longer ss?

[fierce elm]

why drop eb?

[slow solstice]

feels somewhat cosmetic in pvp when im perma ccd and slowed

[fierce elm]

we are talking about the same EB right?

[slow solstice]

20% for ms and cleave to reset cd

[fierce elm]

yes

do not drop that

[green wharf]

it also increase the CD by 10s

[fierce elm]

ever

[green wharf]

its not worthy

[slow solstice]

i understand it cranks

but when im ccd

i cant crank

ill just stop thinking and blast

🙂

[green wharf]

people actually play shitty looking races like NE and gnome

[slow solstice]

meld broken idk

ignore mechanics in dungeons

though dwarf is turbo broken this season

[green wharf]

i honestly dunno how NE got this many expansions without a nerf in shadowmeld

[urban skiff]

Huh? 700k is like nothing..

[slow solstice]

because it doesnt work in raid

[urban skiff]

also why is displate selling this poster?

Now I want it

can't wait for kilts on trading post. Now we just need them in dark brown leather colour instead of bright red

[green wharf]

[green wharf]

imagine going in combat with a skirt and socks

peak warrior

[urban skiff]

It's what I already do

now it's just sanctioned

[green wharf]

i can understand the skirt

but socks?

they stay OFF

[urban skiff]

Stay safe. Like sex.
Socks on

[green wharf]

all off

[urban skiff]

At least one of us has to wear thigh highs

[green wharf]

i like the risk

[green wharf]

[slow solstice]

how do i play vs this abomination

surely fatatlity is palyable now

[green wharf]

focus disc

[lavish quest]

Wtf is the spaghetti code of this game?

I just did a blitz where I could only see 2 of my teammates, and only 1 of the enemy

Everyone else was literally phased out except an enemy rogue and druid who would phase in very rarely for half a second

Pretty much I could do is stand on carts and heal myself because people were apparently able to see and attack me, but I couldn't see or attack them

[fierce elm]

Just cap the bases smh

[lavish quest]

It was silvershard

And yeah, I was standing on carts, all I was doing pretty much

I'd get signs that there were people around so I'd throw out random leg sweeps

I did win, but wtf

Never had anything like that before

And yes I was on WW monk

https://tenor.com/view/dragonfishking-dragonfish-dragonfishy-gif-9357121318807339520

[green wharf]

i have this bug* now and then when i do that azerite BG

it looks like they are attacking you from the ship

cant do shit about it

[lavish quest]

For me they just completely invisible. Being attacked by phantoms. But it may have affected them some too, that or they were bad at killing me. Because vilify spam did keep me alive for the most part

[fickle forge]

BGB people must not have kick on their bars

[green wharf]

they have way too much tbh, feed a lot of precog

[jovial torrent]

oh boy, i had this happening to me in timewalking while leveling alts, didnt think about it happening in bg's

[green wharf]

had one hunter having this issue in a timewalking a few minutes ago

i though he was just tripping

[lavish quest]

It's a troll mode anyways. Ain't no way to take it seriously

[rancid granite]

^ sux at bgb confirmed

great mode

[hot solstice]

great mode to create some big ego douches with elite in bgb but 1600 in 3s

[rancid granite]

different pvp modes can't compare

[violet fossil]

just happened to me but I was doing tw dungeon

I couldn’t see anyone else in dead mines but they were there doing damage

[lavish quest]

You always so clueless? I've noticed a trend

[rancid granite]

why do you think it's troll mode

team based objective pvp mode that's rated that's a very typical pvp mode

no different than overwatch or league of legends etc

[lavish quest]

Yup, I just can't control whether not teammates play objectives

So, I just move on

[rancid granite]

isn't that just wow in general, mmorpg

any thing you do kinda requires people and a team

I guess there's solo sports out there like hearthstone

[lavish quest]

It's so much worsein BGB for whatever reason

[fierce elm]

Because BGB is a very casual gamemode to get into

[rancid granite]

Leland just doesn't like people 😔

[fierce elm]

Stepping into solo shuffle can be anxiety-ridden, doing 3s as a newcomer is the worst, doing 2s is okay but requires a healer

Thus BGB was created

[lavish quest]

You not wrong

Especially when I was young

[lavish quest]

Wish I could like it since shorter queues, but hella troll

[thick reef]

what rating are you at? gets alot better after 1700

before that id actually wanna kms

[iron fractal]

Can you change emballishments on your stuff?

[fierce elm]

yes

[lavish quest]

Like 1500 on fury, but I play arms now

[rancid granite]

much more fun when you can learn to focus completely on self and objective but I understand the trouble with it

[lavish quest]

SO like 300 rating

I just don't queue it

[fierce elm]

you just have to recraft it in the Crafting thing, needs to be a personal order though

[iron fractal]

Ah ok, and all you need is the emabllishment mats to recraft it?

[fierce elm]

And some other mats

it shows if you go there

[wet pollen]

Can you stack 2 embellishments of the same rank?

[fierce elm]

elaborate what you mean

[wet pollen]

Like 2x lens

[rancid granite]

you can have 2x max embels yeah

[plush cairn]

this is why dracthyr is kinda broken

glide speed

[cinder thorn]

Only evoker

It's nerfed for other classes

[fickle forge]

It really is

Casual mode

[slow solstice]

what would we change to play disarm?

[lavish quest]

Storm

imo

[rancid granite]

if disc priest can swap sharpen

[fickle forge]

Storm

[fierce elm]

Storm into disarm

[fickle forge]

Storm is mid

[fierce elm]

Depends heavily on what you face though

[fickle forge]

Storm is only really good if you wanna chase druids

[fierce elm]

Also I thought this was the ret channel

[lavish quest]

Nope, just you

Loser

[urban skiff]

It's obviously the SMF Thane channel

[pure hornet]

Double d spell reflect into frost

[iron fractal]

How do I get Artisan’s Acuity if I wanna recraft?

Ugh.. recrafting orders can be public?

[dense herald]

bm hunter is bugged again

:kekw

[hot solstice]

73mmr for 5-1? isnt bit too much?

[rancid granite]

only number that matters

[iron fractal]

Is Powerful enrage better than Frenzied enrage?

And.. we dont use onslaught anymore?

[chilly magnet]

Thunderclap or PH?

[orchid badge]

just beat the rank 1 prot warr in blitz

[hot solstice]

when mmr is higher I worry less about going 3-3 or less cause ull get pts anyway in trade for mmr

[hot solstice]

its just a matter of preference...fast globals r always cool...u get cdr on reck storm much faster+more execute procks+10% movespeed.

+with frenzy its much easier to uptime ur hamstring

[iron fractal]

Is the damage difference big? I see all top fury go with Powerful enrage.

[rancid granite]

whats the difference tho

its just pre-psyching yourself out isnt it

i hear other people talk about it too and say what you say

but i can't comprehend it lol

[hot solstice]

well its always better to gain something real then to lose something that less matters

like

If I went 2-4 with that mmr

I still would get 20 pts to cr but lose 20 to mmr

[rancid granite]

it all just sounds like arbitrary numbers to me

[hot solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[rancid granite]

and the goal is to just queue and try your best to win; so thinking about numbers just gets in the way of the focus of winning

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/actually-nerd-actually-nerd-glasses-well-yes-but-actually-no-gif-5597798959730072444

MMR more important

[rancid granite]

does mmr give you the trophies tho

it reminds me of my friends on league who would check the opponents rank and stats in loading screen

and they'd play accordingly, and just pre-psych themselves out

and end up doing terribly lol

[lavish quest]

Yes. Without MMR, your CR ain't movin

[rancid granite]

but you get mmr by winning right

[lavish quest]

Uh huh. What's that gotta do with CR tho

[copper fox]

cr follows mmr therefore mmr is king

[rancid granite]

my point is focus on winning comes before all of that lol

[copper fox]

Ofc

Losing is for losers

[hot solstice]

tell it to mage deva feral lobby

[plush cairn]

solo shuff build meta i guess

i had some dogshit ass talent choices

that was relying on BT

[cinder thorn]

does anyone here have zandalari troll?

high enough level to tell me their move speed

[tacit swallow]

Yo did they stealth Nerf the buffs?

[cinder thorn]

with fury talents

[plush cairn]

+5%

[cinder thorn]

yes I know but what would total be

I dont know if it adds to or x by the 5%

compared to a normal race that doesnt have it

for example with Frenzied Enrage 10% and 5% SMF and 5% Zandalari racial does that warrior run at 120%?

what about when you add speed enchants etc what happens

so would it be 120 for zandalari fury warrior whereas a human would be 115?

and what happens to the speed enchants that modify the speed stat

[rancid granite]

a bunch of top solo fury players are like all arms stats/haste

whats with this 👀

[celest pike]

my guys, how much haste do we go for as arms?

[plush cairn]

122%

i have 107% no buffs with enchants only

ahh smf

127%

[cinder thorn]

are you zandalari?

[plush cairn]

i have zandalari chars

u can choose the buff

its +5% speed

[cinder thorn]

yes so if u choose it

and there's also from the warrior tree 5%

if u do that too

[plush cairn]

132%

heres me gliding as dracthyr warrior

meta

michael myers mode

[cinder thorn]

can you please confirm by checking on ur zandalari warrior?

im worried that you're just doing math

instead of checking on him 😄

[copper fox]

He’s worried

[cinder thorn]

because blizz can fuck around with math sometimes

[plush cairn]

5% aint much if ur getting rooted

go play gnome

[cinder thorn]

I know I got a gnome and dracthyr and human wars

I just need someone with zandalari to check for me explicitly on the toon

using the wa and tell me what the max move speed they get is

[cinder thorn]

like right now on drac/human/gnome max is 120

[plush cairn]

u can also create a trial char

zandalari

[cinder thorn]

I havent done the achievements etc

I was going to but dont have all achievements to make the char

[pure hornet]

Wanted to make a zandalary too
I think with ms that high you can connect with all

Imagine walking easy to those pesky evokers

[cinder thorn]

not really because rogues and druids have faster speeds than this and they dont always connect

[celest pike]

Is arms going all in on Haste/Vers my guys?

[cinder thorn]

@celest pike go look on mulok.io

[celest pike]

can't trust as many swapping from fury stats to arms

why would arms buy mastery/vers shoulders

[plush cairn]

u want specifically warrior zandalari?

[cinder thorn]

yes

how else can u test the talents etc

to get move speed max

@plush cairn appreciate your time btw

[plush cairn]

5% racial + 5% smf+ 10% warr tree

enraged

[celest pike]

My friends, since murlok.io stats for arms are not true as everyone is swapping... could anyone kindly tell me if we go full Haste+Vers or not?

[plush cairn]

ahh ye fast footwork missing

125% mspeed

add enchants and youll have 133%

202% with heroic leap buff

+30% after bs ends

so 152% after BS + enraged

[pure hornet]

I go 22% haste
15 mast
Rest dump vers

[celest pike]

why specifically 22% my man?

[pure hornet]

Cuze i cant get more

Or i loose too much vers

Around 12k haste
3 mast
15 vers

[iron fractal]

I feel like gameplay gets really slow when I use powerful enrage instead of frenzied enrage.

[willow plover]

Same and i kind of hate it

[pure hornet]

Ye
Powerfull enr not needed

[willow plover]

I feel frenzied is much more forgiving

[cinder thorn]

@plush cairn check DMs

[pure hornet]

For fury get mastery from gear and haste from frenzied. Free move speed bonus

[iron fractal]

Not sure if I should go for Odyns fury or Onslaught

[willow plover]

Dont you almost need onslaught to keep 100% enrage uptime

[pure hornet]

I dont think odyn is optimal

[iron fractal]

How come so few use Invigorating Fury?

[willow plover]

I use it a lot in shuffle

[iron fractal]

3 extra seconds and 10% heal.

[willow plover]

more damage is prolly better but in shuffle where you cannot really rely on teammates the same way i found it to help many times

[rancid granite]

the ol im 9 excuse didnt phase this guy

😔

[iron fractal]

Rock solid

[willow plover]

They should make a target dummy that runs around or blnks around like a mage or hunter to practice on somewhere

[boreal veldt]

oh wow, the bwonswamdi trait is just straight up part of the undead racial lol

[willow plover]

Troll is something i could see myself swapping to from orc

[plush cairn]

i remember getting flamed by some pres evoker for dying twice and him missing DoT heals on me

[pure hornet]

They should remove that much mobility, defences and slows from frost for a happyer life

[plush cairn]

threatened me to post clips on worldofpvp reddit

then heals swapped

and i went 3-3

[willow plover]

i think if they do we would just melt mages because when i finally catch up to them i kill them so damn fast

[plush cairn]

also told me to use a more rare mount like him

showed me a SL glad mount

[rancid granite]

lmao

some of these guys have such huge mental breakdowns mid match its wild

[willow plover]

Are SL glad mounts less worth than other ones ?

[pure hornet]

Must be some bad mages

[plush cairn]

keep in mind this was 1800

[willow plover]

Probably im shit player so prolly playing with other shitters

[plush cairn]

imagine being so fucking mad

in rival1

was /w me for like 20min

funny

[pure hornet]

Yes
Sl mounts where accesible for pple that rock 1.7 cr now

[willow plover]

How?

[pure hornet]

Inflated era

[willow plover]

I played SL season 4 and i reched my highest rank ever at 1800

maybe that wasnt so good lmao

Does enduring rage work against that beam that devoker throw at u ?

[pure hornet]

Hmm
You just need to improve
Be happy no matter what rating you have
Some have 2.5
Some 2.1
Some 1.6
I love people who just try to improve. Much better room to improve at 1.4 than higher

[boreal veldt]

some hpal was yappin in solo that if we keep switching target's he'll stop healing
like defensives and swaps aren't a thing

he proceeded to go 0-6

[pure hornet]

If i would be stuck at 1.4 i would have no problem wiyh that

[shut tangle]

hey guys im getting ready to push past 2100. Whats the best comp for 3s for fury war

i have been running ret war healer

is turbo better?

[copper fox]

I’ve been playing troll since release. You’re all living in the past

[willow plover]

on ur main?

[rancid granite]

lmao 😭

[pure hornet]

Dunno but afther gnome ,you cant play without artist

[narrow mirage]

btw out of curiosity, what's bis rn? gnome or dracthyr?

[pure hornet]

Gnome by far my friend

No debate

[narrow mirage]

aighty

thanks!

[rancid granite]

lots of debate

makes you a big nerd

[pure hornet]

True

[rancid granite]

i cant read murlok on what to do with fury anymore

everyone has mixed stats

[pure hornet]

Do your own testing

[rancid granite]

yeah im trying fury again today, full arms gear (haste/4pc)

[pure hornet]

No
Just make another toon

[rancid granite]

oh no way =p

[pure hornet]

One arms one fury

Easy to have one of each

[rancid granite]

i like to gear just 1 char for the rp

[copper fox]

Yea main is troll

[willow plover]

That is awesome

[clever hazel]

guys do u have any list oof useful macros?

if theres a list where i can find it?

[pure hornet]

#showtooltip Recklessness
/cast !Berserker Stance
/cast Recklessness
/cast [@player] Ravager
/cast Avatar
/castsequence reset=45 Thunderous Roar, Odyn's Fury
/use Saltwater Potion
/use 13
/use 14

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=1 Bloodthirst, Raging Blow, Raging Blow

#showtooltip Storm Bolt
/cast [target=focus] Storm Bolt

#showtooltip Pummel
/cast [target=focus] Pummel

#showtooltip Charge
/cast Charge
/cast Hamstring
/cancelaura Bladestorm

#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene

#showtooltip Shockwave
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast Shockwave

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [known:Shattering Throw] Shattering Throw; Wrecking Throw

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@focus,known:Shattering Throw] Shattering Throw; [@focus,known:Wrecking Throw] Wrecking Throw

#showtooltip
/cast Enraged Regeneration
/castsequence reset=1 Bloodthirst, Impending Victory
//cast !Defensive Stance

#showtooltip Rallying Cry
/cast Rallying Cry
/use Healthstone
/use Alliance Battle Standard
/use Spiritual Rejuvenation Potion
/cast Ignore Pain

#showtooltip Onslaught
/castsequence reset=12 Onslaught, Bloodthirst, Raging Blow, Raging Blow

#showtooltip
/cast Rampage
/cancelaura Bladestorm

/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance

#showtooltip Intimidating Shout
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast Intimidating Shout

#showtooltip Intimidating Shout
/cast [target=focus] Charge
/cast [target=focus] Intimidating Shout
/cancelaura Bladestorm

#showtooltip
/cast !Heroic Leap
/cancelaura Bladestorm

#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@party1] Intervene
/cancelaura Bladestorm

[clever hazel]

Ok i just saw the thread on the other chat

DUUDE

thats aweson

ty

[pure hornet]

Np

[pure hornet]

Remove use 14 if you have medalion
You dont want to waste it on a burst

[clever hazel]

i do have the medallion

[plush cairn]

alright guys

so heres the thing

i came up with

i can lower my versa from 26% down to 25% by exactly 1%

and i can up my mastery from 43.4% to 47%

[pure hornet]

Dont sweat it that much..
Marginal gains. Just play better and improve

[willow plover]

Do u have pve gear to achieve those stats or how the hell do u have 43% ?

[pure hornet]

On pvp dummy

[willow plover]

im 637 ilvl and i have this

ohhh its in combat

[plush cairn]

so basically

[plush cairn]

scaled in combat

this is unscaled

full pvp and im still slacking on ilvl

537 atm

gonna buy haste trink

[willow plover]

That is still a lot no

[plush cairn]

to replace honor one

im basically enraged most of the time so does that 1% versa even make a difference

versus 3.5% mastery

[pure hornet]

3.5 mastery is better

[plush cairn]

my playstyle revolves around spear

ill probably swap over to bcommander tho

and go roar

for pure 5%

well i just simmed

30sec was a +0.5% increase in dps

[crystal merlin]

Hmm fury and arms seems pretty equal rn, its just up to which ever u find most fun to play?

[willow plover]

kinda yeah

[plush cairn]

i did find someone running similar stats to mine

lol

though mine will be more absurd in terms of mastery

[copper fox]

Arms or fury

[willow plover]

For me the 13 to 15% haste makes a nice difference

[plush cairn]

fury

[crystal merlin]

any of the specs over performing in in ss/bgb? F.e fury easier to pull off with randos

[plush cairn]

miscalculated a bit

but after i add another socket

7/12/45/25

[willow plover]

Mainly depends on what you like man, i play fury cause its simple and just the first thing i learned. They have some differences like fury being more single target oriented and a bit squishier while arms can take some hits

[plush cairn]

i like playing fury for pure ST

ill have more dps doing pure ST than people cleaving

lol

[willow plover]

ST kind of works well in shuffle i think but at the same time u dont get 100% value since when u swap targets with fury u lose some stacks which sucks but its still good

[crystal merlin]

kk cheers guys

[willow plover]

Before i saw a lot of ppl running arms in bgb but with mountain thane i think u can get some really nice cleave anyway

[plush cairn]

i usually never swap in SS 90% of the time

because healer is panik healing that dude im constantly dpsing

and with dracthyr racial i can play more aggressive to los

him away from healer

with the knockback

[willow plover]

Swapping can sometimes really make the healer fumble cause like u say he is busy healing that guy which has the decreased healing stacks then u suddenly change and start really damaging someone else

[plush cairn]

if they run out of options they usually run to africa thinking warr slow and dumb

but i have heroic leap

[willow plover]

Also i swap on defensinves and stuff

but i think u can reach like 1800 to 2k on fury by just holding the gas pedal

[lusty talon]

Should i upgrade my green honor trinkets last? All the other items are 639 or 636 in pvp?

[plush cairn]

lets say priest uses that spell where he transfers health to the person

ill swap to priest

i only put pressure on healer with the aoe cc shit

so he trinkets

then i can bolt his ass

[lusty talon]

?

[willow plover]

i did them last

[plush cairn]

if all are 636/639 except for trinkets

id go for ilvl

[lusty talon]

Hmm dno what to do tbh

[plush cairn]

ill buy trinket in a sec

need to cap conquest

[lusty talon]

Wirst belt back and boots are from the bloody token vendor 636

I just miss the trinkets that are 626 ilvl in pvp

[plush cairn]

just buy the trinks

doesnt matter really

go with the medallion first

for strength

[lusty talon]

Not increased proc?

[plush cairn]

same shit

[cinder thorn]

on my test warrior I went trinkets first shrug it doesnt matter u will have everything in the end, less stats is cheaper item anyway

[crystal merlin]

Full mastery stack as fury?

[plush cairn]

ye

on dummy i do 1mil dps non stop

idk if thats good or not

990-1010k

for 200mil dam

[cinder thorn]

you full purples?

[plush cairn]

637ilvl

only missing proc trink

which ill buy now

[cinder thorn]

I still need 7 pieces on my test warrior

its fun to beat fully purple geared people in arena xD

[plush cairn]

atleast burst is pretty high

on dummy

spikes up to 2.2

[willow plover]

on cleave dummy?

[plush cairn]

ST

2stack dw

and bcommander

i should do more with spear build

lemme check

[willow plover]

what is 2 stack dw ?

[plush cairn]

i use my spear when i los with dracthyr racial

if rogue or amogus stealthes

root their ass

with knockback

behind wall/pillar away from heal

[willow plover]

oh u mean deathwish but why u testing damage with that?

[plush cairn]

because i play it

[willow plover]

interesting

[plush cairn]

5stack sometimes can end the round in 5sec

if they dont expect it

[willow plover]

It can end the round in both ways

[plush cairn]

however i might swap to authority enchants

for bigger burst

radiant *

[cinder thorn]

lol a mage just rooted me then used fire pushback thing XD

Death Wish only works vs noobs

if you play against any players with brain they will focus and kill u in seconds

[iron fractal]

Having a hard time to choose if I should talent for Onslaught

[sleek wave]

damn bm just so strong lately. even with shockwave and fearing pets

[plush cairn]

nelf is anti-pet

[sleek wave]

cant win to bm or its just a skill issue for me

[limber relic]

lets nerf warriors

[sleek wave]

shadow priest also

but i gotta learn how to counter them

[sharp meteor]

Lavalava

[plush cairn]

bruh fuck this shit

0???

[cinder thorn]

you are so awesome everyone is lower than u

[plush cairn]

4-2 should give fkin mmr

its minimal difference

[rapid rose]

It does give mmr; it just didn’t get give you cr

[open glacier]

pffff ferals are just disgusting

[iron fractal]

What's more usable, Onslaught or Odyns fury?

[green wharf]

woof that dude lost 72

[copper fox]

Yea you gotta show bottom right mmr change

You got 0 cr because you been losing too much

[plush cairn]

i won 5 games

in a row

most 4-2 and 1x 6-0

lost last game

literally won 5 lost 1 and then won 1

[copper fox]

At some point you went on a losing streak, show bottom right next game

If your mmr is that far below your rating

You been losing

[plush cairn]

it was 1970ish something

[copper fox]

Yea so if it’s almost 40pts below your cr that means at some point the losses > wins and you just gotta pick it back up.
Cr follows mmr so if your mmr is lower than your cr it means you’ve been underperforming and you’re more likely to head in that direction.
Then if your mmr is higher than your cr you’re performing above expectations and your cr will continue to increase

[plush cairn]

im 1999 atm

with 2009 cr

[copper fox]

Yea so it’s climbing now

1 more 4-2 or higher will likely put it above 2009

Then you can have meaningful cr gains

[plush cairn]

3-3

-2 mmr

xd

[orchid badge]

im winning 20 per game and losing 0 now

[plush cairn]

i went from 1780 to 2027 yday

now im stuck between 2000-2030

finally hit conq cap too

638 ilvl

[copper fox]

Yea if you 3-3 @ a lower mmr than your cr it’s a net loss. If you 3-3 @ a higher mmr than your cr it’s a gain but it’ll even out fast with multiple 3-3

[plush cairn]

anyone else spend stones on pvp gear?

i upgrade all shit so i could also use it for pve lol

[sharp meteor]

I do it to avoid capping on alts.

They ain't gonna use them on anything else so

[rancid granite]

gotta upgrade pvp gear to do some world quest stuff easier

and you can stay ready so you dont got to get ready

[sleek wave]

I removed odyns fury now. And followed the talents on murloc 10/10 would recommend. But yeah u need onslaught. Just not popping ava and reck together is a problem

[green wharf]

dunno why odyn fury is so shite in pvp

[iron fractal]

Did you remove critical thinking too?

[green wharf]

i guess they dont want us to pop everything in one macro

[iron fractal]

If I remove odyns fury, should I change Titans torment to Berserkers torment?

[green wharf]

ye

[celest pike]

are we playing double lens embellishment now?

[green wharf]

def not me, cause i ain't paying for recraft

but you can check on murlok io

seems like even between lens and symbyosis

last time i checked that is

[rapid rose]

Lens is giving me solid numbers in 3v3; about 5% of my overall damage; other classes is like 2%; dunno why it seems to be doing way more on warrior though

[plush cairn]

fun

[celest pike]

So freshly gearing ppl go double lens it seems like, can anyone confirm?

[fierce elm]

try it out

[boreal veldt]

i'm still running goblin mines from season start lmao

just too lazy to recraft em

[boreal veldt]

yeah the hefty majority of top warr are running lens, the next most popular is ascension

[rancid granite]

lens is super generic and ez

cant go wrong with it there's no gimmick to it

[green wharf]

yesterday i got supermad in a shuffle cause i killed a warlock, but then his dot killed me, it showed Win in the screen, but it counted as loss

[ebon steeple]

I'm free

[sharp meteor]

Free from what

[ebon steeple]

Rss

[sharp meteor]

Why u care about rss

if u playin 3s

[ebon steeple]

I don't but wanted the tab early

[green wharf]

0 on solo too though

but hey congrats, amazing numbers

[cinder thorn]

do we get 1 token for the pvp piece from the spiders or two?

I got one I dont rememeber if I get another one at some point

[ebon steeple]

One

If your talking tier

[chilly magnet]

So focusing lens is better for arms?

[limber relic]

I play double lens for both fury and arms

[rancid granite]

ascendance = buff from time spent in combat
lens = lil dmg buff

go with whatchu think works for you right

[cinder thorn]

is there a good skyriding addon?

also - is there a way to put embellishments etc on the conquest weapons and gear or just the crafted ones

im always using the conquest, I havent done any crafted yet, is it even worth it?

[rancid granite]

more stats less vers... and as you said you can put embells on it

[worthy fern]

can anyone link me a stance macro for fury

[rancid granite]

#showtooltip
/use [stance:2] !Defensive Stance
/use [spec:2,nostance:2] !Berserker Stance
/use [spec:1/3,nostance:2] !Battle Stance

works for both

[cinder thorn]

do the blasphemite gems work in pvp also?

[green wharf]

from what i remember gems that aren't pvp gems, are heavily nerfed in pvp content

[cinder thorn]

thx

[green wharf]

could be wrong, but i dont see anyone using on murlok i.o

[cinder thorn]

do you have any link to where it says that

or does anyone here have a blasphemite gem socketed and can tell me how much it is nerfed in pvp?

[worthy fern]

@rancid granite thanks

[slow solstice]

yo i was playing with a resto druid in 2s that shit is so fucking broken

maybe was jsut the player

[tacit swallow]

What do you guys find your rend damage to be? Im shocked with how low mine is.

[iron fractal]

How good are prot warriors in world pvp/ bg's atm?

[cinder thorn]

am I missing something? on my main war I have full conquest gear but on the test warrior I made even though they have same cap that warrior is still missing 4 pieces

I didnt waste any conquest on weapons, and I used the spider pvp gear also

oh maybe I have bloodstone stuff on other one

I mean bloody tokens

that must be it

[rancid granite]

dont forget 1600 piece

and free heraldries

[cinder thorn]

whats that? I have the 1600 already

[cinder thorn]

whats the heraldries, u mean the crafting?

[plush cairn]

final build

[cinder thorn]

the 1600 thats the one u get a token in the post right?

[plush cairn]

kinda hardstuck in 2000s

in solos lol

54% win rate

[rancid granite]

i believe so right? and you take it to the npc in spider land

[rancid granite]

yeah you get like 8 free epic to craft with from winning a few rated matches

[cinder thorn]

still need mats though, and I already use conq weapons, im not sure its worth to get the crafted stuff

[cinder thorn]

yes got that one already, but I never crafted anything yet

@rancid granite I have zero experience with embellishments, do I get one on two items and it can be the same one?

so I can put one on chest and one on legs for example?

and they can be same type?

for example 2 lens or 2 prismatic etc

do they stack? for example if I put two prismatic

[rancid granite]

uh

[cinder thorn]

also does quality of crafted equipment matter in pvp? or same stats even if worst quality

[rancid granite]

well people usually put it on what they wont replace, ie crafted ring, crafted boots, and you can just put lens on both for example. then if you socket 1 gem it'll work (the meta gem doesnt though)

not ilvl no but like enchants and stuff do

[cinder thorn]

wait so when I ask to craft an armor piece or weapon the quality doesnt matter for pvp gear or it does?

[rancid granite]

the heraldries are what makes it scale in pvp

and mats pve

so my crafted sword is ilv610 but in pvp its 639

[cinder thorn]

so purple heraldries but the alloys can be trash

I dont understand the embellishment Writhing Armor Banding: It says double your other nerubian embellished item

if people just put double of the same embellishment, whats the point of this

[rancid granite]

yeah like t1 t2 mats you can use

[cinder thorn]

also, are there non nerubian embellished items or are all embellishments nerubian

by the way thx Aatos I appreciate ur time in answering these things

[rancid granite]

this is one of the enchants people use

"this is a nerubian embellishment"

so you put it on ring, and put the doubled one on boots

if you want to use it

[cinder thorn]

oh but thats not appearing for me in the list when I try to make a crafting order

I only get certain embellishments listed

[rancid granite]

wdym

[green wharf]

i think when you do something

you get 9 healdries

to craft conquest gear

[rancid granite]

if you buy it on AH it'll show up in crafting menu on bottom left or w/e

[cinder thorn]

in crafting order screen, where it says provide embellishment

ah ok

[rancid granite]

yeah it'll show up if you bought it

[cinder thorn]

thx

[rancid granite]

and dont forget the missives for stats you want lol

[cinder thorn]

yes, thx man

when u said they select pieces they wont change

what do u mean

[green wharf]

in the first weeks we crafted the weapon, but i dont think its necessary now

since the conquest weapon gear can give you two 2h

[deep epoch]

I still roll with my weapon / boot embellishment.

[plush cairn]

nvm 15% haste is sweetspot

simmed the highest

[green wharf]

i meant to say if you are starting now

[green wharf]

for fury or arms?

[plush cairn]

fury

[green wharf]

yeah, i noticed a increase performance on my arenas

when i got to 14% from 10%

better procs for slayer, more lightining procs for thane, better CD all together

[iron fractal]

Can you turn off the quest sharing crap?

So annoying when people spam share quests during pvp combat.

Its almost griefing you.

[green wharf]

i think there is that option in the settings

[plush cairn]

so many 3-3 shuffles

...

but also cancer comps

playing against full stack of locks/mages

[boreal veldt]

huge, grats brotha

[plush cairn]

and im almost free

just want duelist

any addon to check my last games?

[celest pike]

If you could choose freely, what off-set piece would you wear for Arms?

[cinder thorn]

go naked like berserker bro

https://tenor.com/view/xlist-viking-valhalla-gif-4945508668487910972

[green wharf]

what you mean with off-set piece?

answer me

[plush cairn]

intellect book off-hand

to flex

[green wharf]

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