pvp

[jovial torrent]

good maybe they will buff slayer/ms more if everyone ints as demolish

[urban skiff]

screw slayer

thane is secret tech

[bold yarrow]

if demolish glued you to the other character or prevented them from moving i'd be all in on colossus

[urban skiff]

First hit of demolish should be a knockdown, second hit knock up, third hit slam into ground with big stun

They missed an opportunity here

[bold yarrow]

that would be so sick but they aint animating all of that

[urban skiff]

animation is already there

[bold yarrow]

im quitting this game

[urban skiff]

down animation should be heroic leap animation

[urban skiff]

fun fact if you drink milk, jump around for a bit and then throw up you've made cheese

Technically mozarella

[bold yarrow]

that is not fun

[urban skiff]

A little fun

you can then eat the cheese and leave the whey

Maybe dry it up and make protein powder

[boreal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/artorias-dark-souls-fight-sword-gif-14275297

give us Guts/Artorias flip slam

[fickle forge]

[sharp meteor]

Can learn the game just fine on any spec

Some are just better at letting you ignore stuff

[urban skiff]

this

[fickle forge]

So we agree then

[sharp meteor]

I mean if you're ignoring stuff

then you aren't interested in learning

so in the end it never mattered

[fickle forge]

You care a lot more about DRs and kiting as sub rogue ie

Warrior is pretty straight forward at the skill floor

Especially fury

Arms had a decent skill cap when the utility mattered

[bold yarrow]

it is crazy how easy it is to play my bm hunter in shuffle

literally just stand in a corner and do 800k sustained dps

[urban skiff]

anyone know what these "repeatable" activities are?

[sharp meteor]

You get +2 per timewalking dungeon forever is one of the big ones.

[urban skiff]

so 10 timewalks

[sharp meteor]

Per set, yeah.

[urban skiff]

uuugh I'd rather kick nails

weekly pvp quest is 15 each, kill whatsherfacespidermommy is another 15

[sharp meteor]

I mean you can just do the weekly stuff.

[urban skiff]

way better time

[sharp meteor]

The event lasts like 2-3 times

er months

and will come back later

so

[urban skiff]

I'm already at 2½ sets, I think I'm fine

[deep condor]

ayyy finaklly got my 1800

[willow plover]

Grats!

[deep condor]

TY, I know it isnt much but I havent pvpd since BFA so its been pretty uphill lol

[plush heart]

Does any good PvP Guides for Fury / Prot exists that are not outaded? 🙂 (complete newbie in pvp since i didnt play PvP since back in Wrath)

[urban skiff]

Good job man

Flot

[west jasper]

make an alt

[urban skiff]

you misunderstand

timewalks are sooooo boring

it's like doing skirmish vs the AB AI bots from comp stomp

only you have to spend 15+ minutes being actively engaged and can't just cruise through

apparently enh is 3rd best shuffle spec

for melee

wonder how many of those is bigdam

[bold yarrow]

woof. 20 min solo shuffle queue. Win first round. Someone leaves after that.

[jovial torrent]

i dunno why ppl leave, its like a auto 150 rating loss i dont think u even lose that much going 0-6

[fluid jacinth]

How many rounds of shuffle must I suffer? Over 310 games now.. Still not 1800, I honestly do not know wtf to do anymore. I was so close at 1793 but dropped down to 1700 again...

[jovial torrent]

you have your ui setup to where u can easily see enemy offensive and defensive cd's? 1800 is just as easy as switching target and not throwing your stun into dr

[fluid jacinth]

I've not thought of that, I have only used OmniBar addon
If you got any tips for a setup please do share!

[jovial torrent]

theres a couple like omniaura but that ones just has like one slot and overlaps the cd's badly imo

i use plater to track certain enemy buffs above their head

[fickle forge]

People don't care about losing 150 if it's placements games or their 15th alt

[sharp meteor]

Because if low cr or alt cba with awful lobby

also preserves mmr

so its like 1.5 rounds won of cr lost

[jovial torrent]

you can also blacklist buffs , like u dont need to know any of the passive effects u leave on enemies just rend stun and slow

[fickle forge]

You get like 500 cr in a won placement lobby anyway

[sharp meteor]

ya 96 per round

nobody caers about -150 cr at low rating

u get it back insta

if ur an undergeared mage and zone in to ele bm mm thats a cool afk

[fickle forge]

Yeah, it's honestly a better strat to leave and preserve MMR

[jovial torrent]

mnnn, ur making me think about what im guna do for gear on my MW monk

if i should go in with greens or no, i did on my pala and it worked out fine, was like 5-0 and 6-0 all the way to like 1900

[fickle forge]

Hpala is also insanely busted

Unlike MW

[jovial torrent]

i feel like MW has more potential

atleast in solo

u can incap a pala outside his hoj range then just roll up for a legsweep into sleep

then teleport out

@fluid jacinth sent u some plater and a weakaura so u can setup buffs and see totem icons

dunno if this will work but heres my profile, its not perfect but would save u some time

just open it and copy paste the text inside to plater profile

[rapid rose]

Warriors can break the pally incap with shout no? Or does the shout only work on healers for fears?

Sorry I meant monk incap

[sharp meteor]

It's just fear.

[amber heron]

So whats the deal with warrior tn

[rapid rose]

So it breaks incap; sap, and fear on us but just fear on friendlys?

[amber heron]

Rn

Are warriors still outclassed by literally every spec?

[bold yarrow]

never were

[rancid granite]

warrior is doing alright buddy

[fickle forge]

Shuffle lobbies are shorter than 3s, and that makes shit like BoP a lot more valuable

Shuffle is just an Hpala dream

[jovial torrent]

we will find out in a few days when i come back here crying mw weak after gearing it

[sharp meteor]

hpal in shuff so annoying when its good

bop sac lay just shuttin everything down

[pure hornet]

Is 13k haste too much for arms?

[onyx marlin]

double lens bis embelishment for arms now?

[pure hornet]

Yes

[onyx marlin]

how so?

[pure hornet]

Think it procs often
Amd murlok has it highest

[boreal veldt]

it does seem like a lot but probably doesn't feel bad to play

[spice hornet]

Tilts me so hard that it’s just fear

Such a bait

[tiny canyon]

Is this still pretty much what you play for fury? #pvp message

Also sry if this gets asked alot but is there a proper fury pvp guide somewhere? couldnt find anything

[rancid granite]

check out bajheera on youtube he's been playing lots of fury

and murlok.io for builds of what people are doing

[ripe solar]

hello which warrior is better in pvp fury or arms?

[ebon steeple]

Now? I think arms looking to be ahead of fury

The games i have played, Arms feel great now

[rancid granite]

both great play what you prefer

[copper fox]

Troll fury warrior bis

You waddle so fast

Trust

[cinder thorn]

any videos? I cant see 20% slow duration as game changing, frost mages for example just reapply it, other classes like monk it is almost always on for example

as long as they attack u

[latent fossil]

Any blacksmith for boots recraft

[copper fox]

It’s not bis I’m kidding but troll just bis because it’s troll

Source: I’m the highest rated troll warrior in bgb and ss lol

Facts: troll is not bis

But troll is best

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-success-evil-dog-gif-22561795

[copper fox]

I just rip a few white monster drinks and send it

[green wharf]

yo, is there an addon that show the timing for the flags to finish capping?

[copper fox]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/capping-bg-timers

[green wharf]

noice

[green wharf]

first bg, warlock doen't give healtstones

what a shitshow

never reported anyone in the game until i got a disconnect, you trully get into the shit tier

jesus

might as well try my luck with arms

[copper fox]

I’m a traitor to the cause men I got monk mog first

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550

yep warrior are back

[copper fox]

Hard pass on that lobby lol

Are you fury or arms into that

[green wharf]

Fury

finnaly 1 win

lose -15 win +9

once again Thane doing the god work with the cleave

double stormbolt is ahrd to pass as well

wonder if its good in shuffle cause aoe is pretty decent

[halcyon trail]

is that an addon that is showing you the enemy team?

[green wharf]

ye

[halcyon trail]

which one do you use if you dont mind me asking? I use gex for arenas but no clue which addon is popular for BGs

Thank you.

[celest pike]

My guys, are we going all in on Haste/Vers for Arms?

[urban skiff]

haha

[green wharf]

thane is actually solid for shuffle i think, the cleave is sweet

there was a prot warrior though

mofo got 2 kills

their execute htis hard

[urban skiff]

ok this is new

fucking animals playing premade 2s skirmish with a prot pal

[green wharf]

ykes

[urban skiff]

Lire my buddy you did great

if you're in here

[frosty flower]

first time?

[green wharf]

finnally doing good and the healer quit

[urban skiff]

first time this season i see this crap

i mean play prot, fine.
queue duo in skirmish, uuugh but ok

do both and it's a bit too sweaty for such a casual mode

[ruby temple]

But +8 rating though 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[green wharf]

[umbral blaze]

What’s soft caps / targets for Vers, haste, before going mastery?

Arms

[chilly magnet]

Ret damage is insane to me

For a class with shields and bubble a d heals

[green wharf]

thats wow balance for ya

we are more like a moba than a rpg

[urban skiff]

look at the bright side, you dodged 3 losses with the healer.

he did you a favor

[tacit swallow]

Arms feels great. Anyone tried both yet.

[green wharf]

nah, i was pumping this cleave build is great

all though i got a loob with DH/ELe/MM /ret and i got melted

how these fucks have so much damage and can heal so much

[urban skiff]

Link build bro

Share the fun

[green wharf]

actually its wrong

wtf

this

everytime i log my action bar and talents ar messed up

goddamit

[pure hornet]

Not bad but if i move 4-5k to mastery, might be better ballance,damage too

[green wharf]

saw one arms delete a shaman healer with the demolish

it would be rpetty funny if the shammy was not my healer

[cobalt gale]

Is omnicc still broken?

[green wharf]

[green wharf]

wat?

[cobalt gale]

The addon is still not working for me

[green wharf]

im afraid to quee again

seeing a lot of warriors in shuffle

[tawny elm]

hows arms after the buffs?

[rapid rose]

Feeling good to me; absolutely topping damage nearly every game; unless it’s an insane feral

Feels like I’m still giving some decent pressure even when I’m forced to d stance as well

[lusty talon]

Slayer or colossus for 2s and shuffle?

[green wharf]

so far i only saw colossus

but im on the dumpster tier

as you can see above, dunno how th high ranking are going

[lusty talon]

1800 so far

[green wharf]

consensus is that slayer is a bit above

"consensus" i think its pretty early to have one

[lusty talon]

What about stats?

Haste or mastery

[dark topaz]

Honestly i don't even feel bad for getting 4 wins in this cursed lobby

On Maldraxxus arena no less

[lusty talon]

Where can i find the best arms pvp guide?

[tawny elm]

nice ty!

[green wharf]

damn

[dark topaz]

Yeah slayer feels a bit better to me too, although i really want colossus to be the better tree

demolish is too satisfying

[thick reef]

demolish is a shit ability

[fallen estuary]

GUYS

WE CAN ACTUALLY KILL SOMETHING NOW

WERE SO BACK

[green wharf]

[lavish quest]

Sure you can demolish and that's cool. But can you slayyyy queen?

[green wharf]

i cant anymore, i main thane now

[lusty talon]

Haste or mastery for slayer

Arms

[green wharf]

wush, i think its better to check murlok i.o

i see people going 15% haste minimum

i dunno if slayer strike procs more with more haste

[lusty talon]

Dno, why isnt there a guide...

[copper fox]

Brother

Use Google

There’s so many guides

[lapis otter]

any thane builds

[green wharf]

scroll above and you will find mine

[urban skiff]

You don't need one. Use MS a lot

[urban skiff]

Wut

[fierce elm]

Go lift and you wont need a guide

[cobalt gale]

It’s a addon to track enemy cc

[urban skiff]

Yea but it's not broken

At least not for me

[green wharf]

dam

[cobalt gale]

What I do?

[urban skiff]

Idk, i don't even keep it updated

[urban skiff]

Waited 92 minutes this morning and gave up in the end

[celest pike]

Yo are we going full haste/vers with arms?

[fickle forge]

I'm here to deliver my one sample rate

Arms is still garbage

GG

[green wharf]

dam are you what, 2600

[urban skiff]

Lmao

Loooooool

It was korrak's revenge

[fierce elm]

Because you refuse to queue with me

[lavish quest]

Nah war is still trash

[green wharf]

how much to carry me to 1800

[urban skiff]

Find enh.
Spec thane.

Never feel like trash again

[fierce elm]

For you? Infinite amount of gold

[green wharf]

so you are saying there is a chance

[green wharf]

Fury thane is quite enjoyable tbh, was able to get 1700 in shuffle today

[lavish quest]

Listen bro, war is down bad. But 1800 is still easy

Come on

[green wharf]

but im bad

[lavish quest]

I did it in like maybe 60 rounds like a month ago

Git gud

[green wharf]

i actually have dislexia, so i mess my keybinds a lot

[lavish quest]

You read your keybinds?

[green wharf]

my fingers don't follow my brain 1:1

[lavish quest]

Ya gotta learn to play around it then I guess

But I don't look at my keys

[green wharf]

yeah, im getting in there

[lavish quest]

I just remember press here for phat dam

[green wharf]

sometimes i ment to type F but i type G

as the keybind

didn't got driver's license because of it

[lavish quest]

Oof

That's gotta suck bad then

[green wharf]

thankful for ubers

[fierce elm]

The fuck looking at keybinds

[lavish quest]

Afro, you play ret. We all know you do

[fierce elm]

I dont look at my keybinds on every spec

because they are the same across every class

Literally final verdict = big damage keybind

Q = Generator, filler spell

E = Worse filler spell or dot stuff

R = Big hit ability

Mouse button = execute or proc huge damage

Just do the same shit on every spec

1-5 big damage cooldowns, shift 1-5 defensives

Ctrl 1-5 huge defensives and utility

[fickle forge]

Yep

PvP is bad

[fierce elm]

this is wack

YOU PLAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE WDYM

[fickle forge]

No I don't

[urban skiff]

Unfaithful! Queue with afro.

[spare leaf]

Hey folks, a question from a player who is just getting back into the game: Is Arms or Fury better for PvP right now?

[lavish quest]

So you WASD? 🤮

[fierce elm]

I W

oftentimes I just mouse to move

Then sometimes A+D to strafe

[fierce elm]

play the one you like the playstyle off

[spare leaf]

isn't TFGH better if you mainly use KB for binds?

[fair reef]

is fury hard to play in pvp or hard to master ?

[spare leaf]

you got the whole layout on reach then

[fierce elm]

its neither

[fierce elm]

probably, been playing this way since MoP and I refuse to change lmao

have literally had the same binds since I started playing the game

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[spare leaf]

Wow man, if that works for you then respect, I couldn't do that with so many keybinds the game has nowadays

Like druid especially

and that's even better than it used to be, used to be you had to macro like 70% of your spells

[fierce elm]

Back in MoP every class had a fuckton of binds, like more than now

So I never had to add binds either

Literally just kept it the same its pretty neat

The only new bind I have is a mount bind

[spare leaf]

Thanks btw for answering, so are they like pretty even now?

[spare leaf]

Idk i feel like my MoP warrior was less bind intensive than it is now ._.

Or maybe my brain has died a bit since then

i skipped everything after WoD until now

[fierce elm]

MoP warr had all the different banners and shit

Same with more damage abilities

It was like 3 banners and 2(?) extra damaging abilities

And a bunch of talent tree stuff being baseline for warrior

But yeah, just use the same binds and put ideas into each button

one button being the main hitting ability etc and you can reroll w.e spec

Note: I do not play healer so cant tell you how that is

[green wharf]

i miss mop second wind

this one is poo

[spare leaf]

I agree with this also

I use the same pattern

Like my interrupts are always on E for example

OR on my healers some empower spells you use in connection with others are always on R

AoE CCs on F etc etc

[fierce elm]

The pro guys do the same thing

on every spec they play, they just keep the same buttons for x stuff

[spare leaf]

Never thought anyone does it different tbh lol, it seems kinda intuitive to me, like why mess with your muscle memory

[green wharf]

my interrupts are always on A

stun on F1

[rancid granite]

how do you strafe?!

[green wharf]

do what

[rancid granite]

👀

[rancid granite]

there's that one guy who has that spell on like f7 or some crap

i forget who and which spell

but hes pro!

[fierce elm]

Yeah there are some wild binds out there lmao

[green wharf]

probably not worse than mine

[fierce elm]

Always got silence on F

Because that finger is rarely busy

But I also got big ass hands

[tribal holly]

Charge is on f

[fierce elm]

Charge is C for Charge

[tribal holly]

C is focus macro

[fierce elm]

focus macros are wack

[tribal holly]

Yeah thats why you deplete keys and i dont 8)

[fierce elm]

Hey man, I timed 2/3 keys yday

[tribal holly]

[fierce elm]

Im a gigachad

Close to breaking 2.7k now at least

[tribal holly]

33% failure rate kinda bad

[fierce elm]

as the scrub I am

Naaa, we had a week where we timed 1/8 keys lmao

Our fucked key yesterday was our Warlock pug wiping us

[tribal holly]

Oh yikes

[fierce elm]

Yeah its rough out here

Had two fucked stonevault because our two pugs didnt know how the bosses worked

Wiped 2 times on Skarmorak because they refused to do anything whilst pumping 650k dps

Its rough out here

Our healer has wiped so many Ara-karas because he isnta dispels poisons with totem while we are melee

lmao

[tribal holly]

Sounds like bad healer

[fierce elm]

His first time doing actual m+ and healing

so I forgive him

He just panicks as soon as there is group wide damage when in reality we are fine as hell

[tribal holly]

Are you tanking?

[fierce elm]

nope

[tribal holly]

[fierce elm]

His lil brother is tanking, but he has experience

Im doing DEEPS MAN

gotta carry these scrubs

[tribal holly]

I think you could use upgrade on the tank ngl

[fierce elm]

lmao

That aint happening

We are vibing

KSH was the goal, now the goal is to get 2.7, then continue

[tribal holly]

Smh guess im pugging

[fierce elm]

I thought you QUIT

[rancid granite]

can't quit while remaining a mod

he never left

[wraith sluice]

hey guys ... Brutal Finish or Culling Cyclone ?

[tribal holly]

Yeah thats true

[rancid granite]

most go cyclone but you could try both see how you like it

cyclone got a lil buff even

i was too hard on this tier set its actually kinda cool

[fierce elm]

its sick

[rancid granite]

even tho i feel like hook shoulders are gonna catch on something, you know like belt loop snagging on a handle when you walk by

[urban skiff]

I swapped to ASD back in vanilla to better solo trash in zg, mc, and naxx etc..

[tribal holly]

The shoulders are nice

[rancid granite]

the lightning is very pronounced i feel badass

[tribal holly]

Rest of the set just reminds me of the yellow transformer

[rancid granite]

dont ruin it for me

[tribal holly]

Autobots rollout!

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/bumblebee-camaro1977-tranformation-transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-gif-27183769

i wish it was something from beastwars instead

[tribal holly]

The what now

[rancid granite]

you never heard of beast wars

transformers but instead of cars they were animals

[green wharf]

only reason im still trying pvp with warrior, only mising the two pieces

at least the warrior sets have being good late expansions

[tribal holly]

Is this some twilight reference

[rancid granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FKpU0pnne8

[tribal holly]

Im scared to open this link

[green wharf]

yo, ctually hitted a million and 200k for bloodthirst

more than execute

[rancid granite]

lol i assumed most everyone here would know it

Late must be in their 20s or something

[green wharf]

that was fire

[tribal holly]

Im 28 and not terminally online

[green wharf]

i remember looking at saying 'damn, look at this graphics, almost real"

[rancid granite]

this show existed before the internet so lmao

i dont even remember the show being cgi tbh lmao

[tribal holly]

Dont think that aired in finland

Or atleast ive never seen it

[rancid granite]

well it was > transformers anyway 😛

[tribal holly]

Sure sure

[fierce elm]

boomer ass

[tribal holly]

Yep thats me

Completely about tiktoks

[rancid granite]

i did not know this existed it looks awesome tho

[weary gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvJwbbsQeuU

Makes me ancient I guess...

[green wharf]

this never came into my country

sad

[weary gull]

We only got it early 90's in South Africa

Was awesome though

[weary gull]

Was referring to Ninja turtles

[green wharf]

same here in brazil

[violet fossil]

hell yeah

[weary gull]

What would minimum suggested haste be for Arms?

Looking at Murlok seems to be 8k - 12k and anything in-between

[rancid granite]

whatever feels right to you

[green wharf]

15% is wht murlok io shows

[sour crag]

What is usually your priority list on what Conquest gear to buy first?

[fallen estuary]

Ditch haste its mastery time

[sour crag]

Kindly elaborate why? 🙂

[fallen estuary]

Im hitting 1-2 mil back 2 back MSs

Elaborate over

[green wharf]

but no haste no rage

[rancid granite]

dabdaddy is a slam enjoyer chad

[fallen estuary]

BRO my slams are hitting for 800k crits

No joke i got 20% crit and it hits harder than OP

[fallen estuary]

Spec the bleed rage gen talent ez

[rancid granite]

how you got rage for all of it if no haste lol

[copper fox]

Idk man when I play arms I feel like I barely have room for a slam global

Shits always procd

I’m a fury main bum tho so don’t @ me

[rancid granite]

ya its why i say its a mastery build lmao

[deep epoch]

What your guys favorite 2s comp with warrior?

[rancid granite]

no haste you're def gonna be sitting to auto attack

[copper fox]

Truth

[copper fox]

Pally disc or evoker
Pally gives you more uptime.
Disc/pres dmg with you

[deep epoch]

I’m been doing war/monk

[copper fox]

That’s definitely less optimal than the others but it’s fine for 2s tbh

[deep epoch]

The monk is doing 1mil kicks throwing ppl off

lol

[copper fox]

True monk lightning is dumb rn

[lusty talon]

So mastery over haste Now?

[deep epoch]

Been pretty even against war/hpal and war / priest but it’s still only 1.9k mmr so we will see how much we can push. Just started 2 days ago

[copper fox]

People need to stop overthinking gear rn

Just run 15-20% haste, 30% vers and flex the rest. Can test mastery or crit after those stats for general game play

Conq will be uncapped soon and you can go nuts

[deep epoch]

ya I’m still running the ascension embellishment on the sword. Seems like the lens is better though. From what I read on here.

[copper fox]

I like lens x 2 on arms and ascension on fury

I also like depths on fury and radiant on arms

[deep epoch]

The lens and gem changes would give fury lots more haste… which is nice

[copper fox]

I gear as much mastery as possible on my fury

[deep epoch]

Me 2

But just looking at what others are doing.. I’m too broke to swap

[copper fox]

Yea I just have multiple warriors lol

[deep epoch]

Yeee I got 2 but they both have same build.. just one orc one gnome lol

[sour crag]

If I put a PvP gear item in the catalyst to create the Warsculptor set, does it retain the pvp ilvl stat?

[deep epoch]

If you do a pve item it WONT give you the PvP ilvl stat so beware

And you wanna use a conq pc to get the 639 or it’ll end up 636

[elfin surge]

Feral Arms (no longer viable)

[deep epoch]

But that would be fun

[sour crag]

Which Conquest pieces do you recommend to convert to the Tier set for full bonuses?

[wheat jay]

poor uglybaldbaby

forever in my memories

[fierce elm]

https://murlok.io/warrior @sour crag

[elfin surge]

he had a good run

[wheat jay]

true

went out like a champ

[deep epoch]

Just helm and pants

[deep epoch]

If you get 1600 you can get a free pc and get more conq gear.

[fierce elm]

unless you already have chosen a tier piece by killing heroic queen or 2k+ in m+*

[green wharf]

1.6m damage from bloodthirst, Thane is actually fun to play

too bad arms cant pick that

[wheat jay]

i was 100% expecting thane to be prot/arms

ngl

[green wharf]

heh, they took inspiration from wc3

slayer-> blademaster, thane->mountain king

there MK used two weapons, so they of course thought of fury only

[sour crag]

I heard people have gone full Crit on Arms Warrior these days.

Focusing Mastery over Haste too

[fierce elm]

Look at that, no arms in 3v3 is going crit focus

[green wharf]

and haste over mastery

[elfin surge]

crit dn

[green wharf]

but tbh i think most of then play slayer

[sour crag]

I just play solo

While an pvp item will keep its pvp ilvl set, is there any point to still upgrade the item, or will the stats automatically max out to the set pvp ilvl?

[fierce elm]

It changes absolutely nothing

unless you want to PvE with it

[sour crag]

Will the stats scale up once I am in an pvp enviroment like bgs and arenas?

[fierce elm]

Yes?

[sour crag]

Alright, didn't know

[fierce elm]

Gotta read the tooltip big man

[sour crag]

I've not PvPed seriously since BfA, I've no idea how the current upgrade system affects pvp whatsoever

[copper fox]

After you hit like 15-20% haste on arms it’s a difference of like 3 pieces of gear after that for the second stat

Really not a big deal

[sour crag]

I was thinking going full mastery / crit, actually

haste seems less favorable

[copper fox]

Does it tho

[fierce elm]

That sounds dumb as hell

[green wharf]

wait hold on

[copper fox]

Haste should be your main stat after vers lmao

[green wharf]

how do you get 30% vers

[fierce elm]

One auto attack per hour baby

[sour crag]

I dunno, I heard it from a guy called ThoGrey on youtube about going full crit.

[copper fox]

Ok test it for us

[stone garnet]

That's what I want to know, closest I get is 28%.

[fierce elm]

this is the guy you trust

[copper fox]

Lmfao

Mans a legend

[fierce elm]

Can we use some critical thinking in chat, is that okay

[stone garnet]

I did a full Mast Arms build, and it wasn't great. I tried it with 10-14% haste and it felt playable.

[sour crag]

I mean I guess ThoGrey isn't maining as warrior, I dunno. Crit build seemed fun to play for me, I don't by any means believe it's the most optimal route. I don't aim for full rank, I just want the shiny enchant and call it a season 😄

[fierce elm]

That is his main brother

[sour crag]

The ranks seem decent to me, tbh. It's kinda the bracket I'm going for, somewhere right before 2k

[fierce elm]

You are going to be miserable playing full crit

There are countless people out there that you can trust that are way better in every way

Just because they are the rank you want to hit, doesn't mean you should trust them

[fickle forge]

Haste is arms' best stat by a large margin

[sour crag]

I mean... you could say that about anybody, about trusting them? 😄

[rancid granite]

4pc + talents give plenty crit as it is

might as well fill in the gaps with haste

[fierce elm]

Would you rather trust a person who is a multi r1 player or an 1800 nobody making a guide?

[sour crag]

I don't trust in following a example blindly. Just because someone went top rank from doing one thing doesn't mean it fits me personally. There's no straight line or shortcut. You may vouch for the top-ranked and have the solid proof as to why what they do works, and I respect it fully, but it doesn't mean -I- will be able to fully follow their example due to different playstyle or time spent in the game.

Point being, I take everything with a pinch of salt.

[copper fox]

wtf

Full crit sucks brother

End of story

[green wharf]

i have 8% crit on fury and i crit a lot

[copper fox]

It’s math

[green wharf]

there i diminishing returning for stats

[fickle forge]

I mean bro is right, but in this case you should probably drop your crit experiment

There's a reason nobody in the top 50 builds crit

[green wharf]

its not like if you ahve 50% crit you will crit 50% of your attacks

[rancid granite]

the line is pretty damn straight tbh

[fickle forge]

?????

[green wharf]

wat

[fierce elm]

Its WoW PvP in the end, all you do is hit something until they die. There is always an optimal thing to go regardless of playstyle.

[fickle forge]

You're yapping brother

[rancid granite]

WoW doesnt afford such a drasticly different playstyle or builds just hit them til they die

[green wharf]

arent we all

[rancid granite]

different playstyle = different spec/class

[fierce elm]

Doesn't matter if you are r1 or 1200, or w.e. You are going to run the same build as everyone else because there are no talents that are playstyle determined. Nor do you need to be r1 to utilize haste

We are just trying to save you from the experiment you are going to be doing, because it's going to be miserable.

Everyone else has tried this and reported back that its awful, thats not playstyle dependant.

[sour crag]

Very well, should I just follow https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/solo and pick as close to the top picks as possible, even if I will have zero clue as to how to go about it? :I

[fickle forge]

The closest thing we had to a different playstyle build was Spear colossus

[rancid granite]

kinda

[willow plover]

Arms is better than fury its official

[fierce elm]

Going Crit, or Haste, or Mastery won't change anything

You hit the same buttons regardless

But either you have a miserable time, or a good time

[rancid granite]

all the top players are going relatively all the same build anyway, with a few minor things to play around with

like top 50 all relatively the same with same stats for the most part

[willow plover]

The few talent differences u see on top players are mostly things they changed into specific matchups

[rancid granite]

(any arms player going mastery came from fury build so theyre forced in it)

you can def play around with the minor few talents yourself tho

[fierce elm]

Kargish still dodging 3s

smh

[fickle forge]

I'm at gym

[fierce elm]

gym deez nuts

[fickle forge]

I did climb 150 shuffle rating today doe

[fierce elm]

Wanna use 3s to gear up kek

[fickle forge]

Arms still feels pretty piss there

[willow plover]

Arms is good into fury

thats all i determined in shuffle so far

[fickle forge]

Makes no sense

They have the same kit

[fierce elm]

NOT TRUE

[willow plover]

What? No they dont

[fickle forge]

More than likely you were just the better warrior

[fierce elm]

One has a parry, the other one doesnt

dumbo

[willow plover]

Not true

Arms just has the better kit for 1v1 and now with the damage they win always basically

[fickle forge]

What

[fierce elm]

w h a t

[fickle forge]

Okay we're talking duels

[willow plover]

Same wil apply in shuffle

[fickle forge]

I lost today to Fuseton on fury warr

[sour crag]

I guess this is a "Agree to disagree" channel.

[rancid granite]

isnt fury the 1v1'er

[fierce elm]

Even in duels Fury should win in 90% of cases lmao

[fickle forge]

Cause man's the better warrior

[willow plover]

Nah

[fickle forge]

[rancid granite]

wait who wins prot vs fury 1v1 then

[copper fox]

Here

[willow plover]

Afro u dont even play the class so ur oppinion doesnt matter

[fierce elm]

lmao

Im sorry, that makes me clearly clueless about the fact that the spec that has self-healing with the same stuns/damage output is just flat out better than the one without it

m b

[fierce elm]

We await your return in a few weeks

[willow plover]

How about you go try it out for yourself ?

[fickle forge]

He's a lot better and more experienced on warrior than you, so his opinion does matter

[fierce elm]

Dont make me level my warrior

Im so dumb that I will do it purely to prove a point

[rancid granite]

follow the murlok nerds and gear and play it... feel free to experiment from there imo, but do the basics first =p

[copper fox]

Here’s 4/5 of the top solo (since that dude who is going full crit said he only plays solo) I’m not including Smexxin because he literally said he’s in fury gear playing arms.

So what do we see here? Haste = prio. After that, doesn’t fkn matter but people do run crit > mast and mast > crit

[willow plover]

Go level fury and duel a good arms warrior

[copper fox]

That’s arms btw^

[willow plover]

Hell doesnt even have to be good just average

[frigid basin]

people have already tested all this on the PTR, trust them and drop that Crit experiment xD

[fickle forge]

Nobody cares about duels brother

[willow plover]

Their kit is even better in shuffle so doesnt matter man

[copper fox]

@sour crag there you go my friend

[fickle forge]

It's the same kit

Literally

[willow plover]

bro are u high?

[rancid granite]

anyone who wants to duel seriously just logs their rogue or mage

[fickle forge]

The only difference is parry vs self heals

[willow plover]

whatever i will never agree with u

[copper fox]

Wait

[fierce elm]

lmao

[copper fox]

Can you give examples

Because what does arms bring that fury doesn’t besides that

[fierce elm]

A parry

thats it

[copper fox]

Besides rhat^

[fickle forge]

Lmfao

[fierce elm]

Literally only a parry

[willow plover]

Sweeping?

[fierce elm]

SWEEPING IN A 1v1

[green wharf]

ignore pain

[copper fox]

I know I’m asking Nullsson lol

[fierce elm]

Are you gonna sweep the fucking ground

[fickle forge]

'Yeah guys arms has sweeping, it's better '

[willow plover]

For shuffle the kit is better and in 1v1 the parry does more than fury self healing for sure

[fickle forge]

Name 1 thing arms does that fury doesn't

[fierce elm]

Stun, parry gone

w o o p s

[copper fox]

The kit isn’t better for shuffle period

[fickle forge]

In shuffle

Go

[frigid basin]

Fury self-healing is non-existential after 2-3min of arena

[fierce elm]

Tbf Arms cleave is better than Fury cleave in a full melee arena kek

[fickle forge]

Name a single utility button arms has that fury doesn't

[willow plover]

And arms has self healing

so idk u guys are just trolling

[fickle forge]

If you say sharpen I'll gut you

[violet fossil]

sharpen

[fierce elm]

lmao

rolled

[fickle forge]

Eksdee

[violet fossil]

whats the argument here

[green wharf]

arms can equip shield and do shield slam

[fickle forge]

Arms has a better kit for shuffle than fury is the claim

The counterpoint is they have the same kit

Literally

[willow plover]

This is healing done in a 2 minute 30 second arena game where i have 500k dps and arms has 300k dps

[fierce elm]

Arena, 1v1

hmmmm

🤔

[willow plover]

This is a shuffle game

[fickle forge]

So what's the argument

[fierce elm]

Shuffle, 1v1

🤔

[fickle forge]

Arms has higher passive healing so it's better?

[willow plover]

U said it has parry but fury has self healing

well arms has better self healing so what the fuck

[fickle forge]

Not for CDs brother

[fierce elm]

🤔

[fickle forge]

Enraged Regen is a self top

Parry is sick into some stuff, and worthless into other things

[willow plover]

Yeah well i said specifically against fury warrior

[violet fossil]

just stun and hit from behind

[fickle forge]

You said for shuffle

Reality is, whoever is better between arms and fury for shuffle is literally just who can output more damage

They're the same class, almost 1:1

[willow plover]

no

[fickle forge]

Almost same defensives, same utility, same mobility etc.

[fierce elm]

Sharpen

[fickle forge]

Sharpen

[violet fossil]

Sharpen

I myself like arms more than fury in arena tho

well in general

[willow plover]

Fury supposed to have better single target but right now its not the case

its almost equal

[copper fox]

Orly

[fickle forge]

[sour crag]

Thanks for the overview

[sour crag]

Alright, will do, thanks for the tip

[green wharf]

y'all talking pretty big but how many of you won the mount mania in the anniversary event

bet none

@urban skiff it was directed at you btw

[fickle forge]

I'll have you know I won trial of style that one time

[green wharf]

at least a cut above the rabble

[willow plover]

Arms has higher chance of winning trial of style too

[urban skiff]

Booooo.

Also what is storm blast

Who else trick or treating their ass off in the cold?

[rancid granite]

-win trial of style
-the theme was looking as mismatched as possible

[green wharf]

its shit to mog fury cause most 2h look stupid dual wielding

mog 2h -> 1h when?!?

[urban skiff]

You know you can equip anything for mog event, right?

[green wharf]

sure, but i wanna look cool while ripping people apart

[rancid granite]

sitting inside in the warmth eating all the candy before anyone arrives

[green wharf]

im dying of heat, gonna sleep with two fans

[rancid granite]

get a spray bottle of water

mist yourself + fans and you'll be ok

[green wharf]

yeah, im used to it

[willow plover]

Did they fix mw in blitz yet?

Or change anything rather

[rancid granite]

they took away the big zoomies chain

[deep epoch]

Only like -4 tonight here… bring some coffee and Baileys while I eat my kids good candy

[wheat jay]

i have seen more idiots this season in blitz

and i played like 10 blitzes

than in all my arena games

and i played few thousand

jesus christ

why do people have some main character syndrome in bgblitz xD

absolute monkeys haha

[verbal tangle]

He doesn't know the secret SMF tech

[fickle forge]

I would invest in the secret SMF tech

But I cba totem meta

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872557080819691591/1301594934079389767/image.png?ex=67250c3e&is=6723babe&hm=e4f17e358d54e2e636c0ef0900e00998bc053c03cf358fc096a4c7a531467eae&

[copper fox]

Flokk needs to calm down

[urban skiff]

12C here right now, not bad

but extremely windy

[lavish quest]

Blitz is awful unless you just don't care what happens

[wheat jay]

i don't, but that regard in chat was annoying me

lmao

reeeeeeee i dont heal now

reee noone taking flag, if i go noone will heal reeeeee

mofo stayed in base and we capped two flags lmao

[rancid granite]

blitz best game mode

leland just not good at it

[lavish quest]

I'm not very good at slots, you right

[rancid granite]

2v23/3v3 enjoyer only?

whats it like having friends to play with

😭

[lavish quest]

Not enjoying pvp much at all atm. So I don't really queue

[urban skiff]

oh look, another one

[fickle forge]

I heard just now that arms is way better than fury for shuffle and 1v1

[urban skiff]

lmao excellent take

[fickle forge]

No comment on 2s though

[lean cove]

Is this normal dmg from healer evo or i smth dont understand?

healing done:

[sharp meteor]

Dragon can do big dam.

[willow plover]

You said yourself u won vs a fury warr as arms no?

[fickle forge]

I said I lost to Fuseton because he's the better warrior

[willow plover]

Ah on fury warrior

Arms has a small edge tho rn

I just won 6/0 on a 2 mage + ele shaman lobby, what a way to break into 2100 in shuffle

[rancid granite]

i ss'd on my sub rogue and a prot warrior did better than me and won more rounds

friendship with rogue as ended

[willow plover]

Does tanks share dps queue in shuffle or do they have their own kind of matchmaking?

[urban skiff]

all tanks share dps slot in shuffle except prot paladin. They will always face another prot paladin and they take up the healer slots

[willow plover]

Thats nuts

[urban skiff]

It's a leftover from a short period in shadowlands where prot was a defacto healer, mistweaver style

Now it's sort of but not really?

[willow plover]

Prot pala deserve to take up both healer and dps slot

Are you gaming tonight Zerch?

[rancid granite]

he's out trick or treating in a homemade shaman costume

[willow plover]

bear rug and underwear?

[rancid granite]

literally thinking exactly that lol

farm shaman

[pure hornet]

Is fury better for 2’s? Or arms

[willow plover]

Whichever u prefer its almost the same

[urban skiff]

kinda want to but halloween just ate all spare time

secret tech is out

how to play arms

[urban skiff]

probably just gonna do skirmishes for bronze tokens

then maybe idk level a sub rogue

[willow plover]

I dont mind joining

[urban skiff]

what do i name my rogue

[soft lava]

Bronzathedark

[willow plover]

Store far

[soft lava]

lmfao xd

[urban skiff]

we can't play skirmish unless same faction

[willow plover]

Damn

[urban skiff]

fuck maybe i need to make my rogue horde then

can queue double sub with the wife then

just really ruin someone's night

[willow plover]

im leveling another warrior

gonna be earthen tho

[urban skiff]

been waiting for achievement before levelling alts so i can do timewalks and auto-buy sets

[willow plover]

Yeah i did the exact same!

[urban skiff]

great start though

[willow plover]

Yeah today is a good day

[rancid granite]

Silentfoot

[urban skiff]

lmao kthuman called softpaws

but since i have to be horde, what race do i pick for my sub rogue

[fickle forge]

Prot pala replaces healers and have their own bracket for themselves

Rest of the tanks count as dps

[willow plover]

Thats so weird that they made it like that

[fickle forge]

It's because prot pala is literally a healer whenever it is good

Like nothing dies ever

[willow plover]

Didnt they nerf that?

[fickle forge]

For now sure

If the numbers ever go up, it'll be back

Prot pala gives like 3 bubbles

[rancid granite]

undead or maybe orc

but undead is OG

[willow plover]

Wonder if it would be too OP if they lower the CD on shatter for warriors

Probably

I thought about that when facing 2 mages in shuffle

[urban skiff]

shatter needs no cd

it serves no purpose

[willow plover]

I mean shattering throw

Is there a class that has a similar ability like that? That can break bubble and ice block?

mass disspel ?

[cinder thorn]

its worthless pretty much

by the time you finish casting it the mage is back to full again

and they get it back before ur cd is up even if u take the pvp talent

same with paladin

paladin has a talent now that doesnt give them forebearance I think

[pure hornet]

Is spark quest bugged?

[willow plover]

Yeah i only use it to catch healers off guard

[pure hornet]

Or map? Cant see people well on map

[urban skiff]

why are rogues just so useful? Always pleasant when they show up on my team

[urban skiff]

ok but I love troll picks. Like my dk is mechagnome

called Robodots

[cinder thorn]

rogues are the one class that no matter what can always win the game for u

[urban skiff]

So maybe drachtyr or furry

[willow plover]

Tauren is pretty troll no?

[urban skiff]

true

[rancid granite]

can tauren be rogue

lol

[willow plover]

I think so ?

[urban skiff]

I wish moosetauren had tauren racial for crit dam

the charge is kinda cool

[urban skiff]

he did excellent cc but I'm pretty sure I did a lot of something

[willow plover]

[rancid granite]

tauren rogue yee

[urban skiff]

What mog really screams "I have no idea what I'm doing so you should feel extra bad when you lose to my tauren rogue"?

[fickle forge]

Take inspiration from your region's RP Goldshire

[urban skiff]

That place is dead though

[willow plover]

noone there has clothes so hard to find a mog

[urban skiff]

imagine how much better I'd be if I had addons that told me when people use cooldowns

If you're here, sorry Kundoskill

[static knoll]

man idk what to do in full range lobbies, just run around like a headless chicken

[willow plover]

just dstance and start walking brother

Get those steps in

[static knoll]

fr

[urban skiff]

just roll enh bro

make a mockery of devokers

[deep epoch]

That’s ret pallly tho

[urban skiff]

which one tho

[deep epoch]

Both.

[copper fox]

You just get them by lvling thru time walking?

[willow plover]

yeah and i think u can do the quests on alts too

[copper fox]

Nice

[urban skiff]

this one enables tokens from "repeatable content"

you also get up to 36 per BRD difficulty per week after getting it

2 per timewalk

why this shit so broken

waited 92 minutes this morning

merc mode on

[distant wharf]

Any good fury build for solo rbg?

[hardy wave]

korroks isl ike a 2 minute quue for me

[urban skiff]

enabled merc mode, see if that might fix it

[distant wharf]

is this good?

do you buy trinkets/rings with conquest first or gear?

[rancid granite]

big pieces of gear first, with conquest achievement for free weap

[urban skiff]

specifically asking about conq or about what to gear first if starting from no pvp gear?

[rancid granite]

big pieces -> smaller pieces -> rings/trinks kinda last?

bloody token bracers/waist/cape

[distant wharf]

oh guess i do the weekly for bloody tokens

yeah i guess i buy big piece for tier

[rancid granite]

it stacks up super face

fast

[distant wharf]

witch one

[rancid granite]

the bloody tokens

[distant wharf]

oh

kinda got full honor gear and like 3 piece conquest, no bloody ones

[rancid granite]

quest is always like 1k but the cap barely went up, so few weeks in the catch up is easy =p

[distant wharf]

or just do shuffle rbg? ;P

[rancid granite]

do the quest while in queue

:D

[urban skiff]

sparks quest is best pvp ilvl per time spent ratio of any content

[distant wharf]

what u mean with spark quest

[urban skiff]

the weekly quest where you gather sparks in one zone

it can be done stupid fast, awards conq, 1k bloody tokens, honor.

1k bloody tokens is 1½ - 2 pieces of conq level gear

[distant wharf]

[Sparks of War: The Ringing Deeps]

oh yeah, any tips to finish it fast?

[urban skiff]

(3 ilvls lower, don't @ me. That's 30 less strength, 110 less stam, 8 less secondary stats on a big piece like legs, head, chest)

look for wax puddles and do the world quests

wax gives 5, doesn't show on mini map

so that's 20 you have to find to complete it.

[rancid granite]

yeah find an area where they have the puddles and circle it

ie in ringing deeps the northern cavern just circle it

(psa grab wax quest in the city first as you get wax per mud puddle thing and you get free bronze tokens)

[urban skiff]

this

[rancid granite]

and if youre alliance grab the chest drops ebcause alliance gets it 99/100 times

[urban skiff]

There's a weekly for 10 wax + another weekly with 5 wax puddles + some airballs

so you can knock out three weeklies in one go, get pvp gear, and lots of bronze

[urban skiff]

not on tarren mill. Still shifted extremely red

[distant wharf]

when u say wax what u mean?

[urban skiff]

snuffling

[rancid granite]

on stormrage anyway just ez loot

i had hella honor just leveling up first week lol

[violet fossil]

look under premade groups for sparks quest

sign up and kill everyone you’ll get it fast

[distant wharf]

oh thats even faster i guess

[rancid granite]

missing out on the other loot

• its really quick still

https://tenor.com/view/anime-spit-aho-girl-angry-gif-11974959

[urban skiff]

tremor totem hit for 2.6m

[distant wharf]

oh its 100 bloody tokens per weekly

thats nice

big diffrent from conquest gear?

[urban skiff]

weekly is 1000. And world quests are 100 each on top

no very small difference

3 ilvls is almost nothing

[hot solstice]

there r also wpvp quests that give 500

but they proc randomly

[urban skiff]

true

[distant wharf]

Cool thx, capped the sparks now

Is there a way to cap bloody tokens fast?

[urban skiff]

don't forget to hand in, there's a bug where logging out abandons the quest

sparks groups also give a lot of tokens because 1 kill = 1 token

[distant wharf]

is bloody faster then conquests?

after quest

[urban skiff]

you'll want both

they don't offer the same stats

[distant wharf]

im 632 right now, should be enought to get 2k in solo rbg?

[urban skiff]

absolutely

[distant wharf]

Cool, a guy said something about finding shuffles, does that give bloody tokens?

[urban skiff]

all this passive damage lol

[pure hornet]

Arms in 2’s feels worse than fury

[urban skiff]

I'd say it depends on your healer

[willow plover]

What feels worse specifically

[pure hornet]

True
Maibe i havent played long enough

Pressure
I feel fury has more pressure
Better into casters witch are our weakeness,
Arms ignore pain is better only in dampening

Etc

[sharp meteor]

It's mostly what you're playing into.

In general Fury should be better.

Queue into something that eats Fury respec Arms if you get repops.

[urban skiff]

IP should be affected by dampening, right?

it's a heal

[pure hornet]

Fury does not get to dampening phase..

[sharp meteor]

🤨

[urban skiff]

stack deathwish higher

to get that genuine arms experience while playing fury

If deathwish didn't cost a pvp talent I'd use it all the time

[pure hornet]

Just wanna get our old arms back
Leave fury for pve
But atm fury feels better

[urban skiff]

nah

fury is peak pvp spec

Rage and rampage at your opponents

[pure hornet]

Ye but historically our beloved arms was the real deal

[urban skiff]

get angry hit hard

arms is UHDK lite

fury is unique

[pure hornet]

Oh i forgot.. you love fury..

Remeber one year ago when fury was crap you still played it

[hot solstice]

why not both?

[pure hornet]

Dont like to cheat on one with the other
Arms or fury but never both

[dense herald]

ur playing warrior

its not cheating

[hot solstice]

ur char cares about gains not about spec

[dense herald]

https://tenor.com/view/rich-piana-no-gif-21925018

i couldnt find the gif

where it says what does it matter how i got 22 inch arms the reality is i got em and you dont

[sharp meteor]

What does this even mean

[urban skiff]

boring

[urban skiff]

it's why I'm playing prot right now. Fury is too good

[pure hornet]

Masochism
The art of turning punishment into reward