pvp

[jovial torrent]

mnn that is a good idea,crafted honor weps pretty cheap?

[urban skiff]

and it's like almost free to craft that way, and the base you can upgrade to honor as you win with recrafting

Craft green, recraft to honor when you get enough, then recraft if you plan to craft epic or just get 2500 conq and buy both weapons

Or save honor for sockets and skip straight from 616 weapons to 639 if you're willing to grit your teeth and bear the pain

[wheat jay]

One season too early for that man xD

And this season shaman set is dogshit

No chance im gonna play to get it xD

[urban skiff]

nah

get in on it while it's hot

I promise, do it in bgs and just cackle all day over all the fmage/devoker/rogues you're one-shotting without using cooldowns

It's like instant relief of all stress from playing warrior, you don't even have to win the bgs, just play BGB and make them have a bad time

[wheat jay]

No

Ugly set = i dont play

[urban skiff]

Don't play for the set

play for the playstyle

[wheat jay]

Its an alt now

[urban skiff]

Come 11.0.5 we get auto dogs

[wheat jay]

Dont care, no change for me cuz jm not used to it yet

Soo ye

[urban skiff]

I cannot stress this enough. My warrior has been my main since tbc

I got into my shaman and right now my warrior is my alt because of how much fun enh is

[jovial torrent]

theres no cheeky way to get around the 20% reduction by transfering honor is there

[urban skiff]

don't have to be good to be fun. All you press is stormstrike

[wheat jay]

Had the same thing with survi hunter

[hard vector]

what do macro u usee for intervene in solo que when i have many teamates?

[urban skiff]

no, but you can cut down costs on sockets by buying the gems for gold instead of farming honor. Also some of the sockets you can get from vault instead and they're just as good

[wheat jay]

Now im back on warrior xD

[wheat jay]

Mouseover

[urban skiff]

brother

what's the deal with people doing this?

Is it a unique enchant? Is it just more expensive?

[jovial torrent]

have people bought 2 epic level rings yet

[urban skiff]

I have, crafted rings and neck

[rancid granite]

its not really more expensive at all just a small gold diff

[onyx marlin]

more expensive i guess or epic/blue ring?

dif is 149g to 11k

xd

[narrow compass]

Is it tuesday yet?! I want these arms buffs

[rancid granite]

damn my server it was super cheap

also just tried demolish in 2 rbgb and immediately went back slayer/fury

demolish is pve ability

[onyx marlin]

xD

[jovial torrent]

with the 2500 conq achiv can u get 2x 2h

[fierce elm]

cheaper

[jovial torrent]

or do u have to craft 1 , get 1 free

[fierce elm]

yes

[jovial torrent]

nice, so instead of crafting wep i should use the free heraldrys on like rings/neck?

[fierce elm]

if you want

[rancid granite]

can't go wrong

[narrow compass]

I did that on my pally and got 1 ilvl higher total than my warrior

[jovial torrent]

my first char pvp gearing is all scuffed cus i crafted weps before they changed it

[narrow compass]

like total avg pvp ilvl

[rancid granite]

a lot of the crafting weapon was because ~3 week headstart

still bis

but mostly for the headstart

[jovial torrent]

what gear slot did u put ascendancy on

[rancid granite]

murlok.io check what people doin

cant go wrong following them :b

[fierce elm]

If I were to gear up a new character now I wouldn't craft weapon tbh

[wheat jay]

i mean

[violet fossil]

In my ass

[wheat jay]

i told youall xD

[azure rivet]

for bg blitz is moutain thane the way?

[fierce elm]

BUT, I don't regret crafting weapon at start

[fierce elm]

no

not right now at least

[wheat jay]

shut up bitch you do

stop lying to readers

[fierce elm]

I dont lmao

[wheat jay]

you do

[narrow compass]

Same. The appeal to the PVP crafted weapon for me was that it was also a 610 weap, higher than anything I had access to at the start for PVE sinc I do both.

[lavish quest]

Don't ya still need the ccrafted weapon for embelish anyways?

[violet fossil]

That’s what most of us argued is to not craft weapon

[fierce elm]

Because in the end it wont matter

[wheat jay]

you jsut dont want to sound like you made a mistake, which you did

[lavish quest]

ANd to use the free thingys

[fierce elm]

I didn't though

[wheat jay]

its a minor mistake

[fierce elm]

Not only could I use it for PvP

and use it in PvE

so fuck it lmao

[wheat jay]

but in the end its a conq loss

[lavish quest]

How?

[fierce elm]

I only replaced it this week for PvE

so I got a bunch of value from it

[narrow compass]

for 95% of us, the difference wont matter

[fierce elm]

for 100% of us

[copper fox]

If I hit this 2.5k conq on my alt specd as arms will I still be able to buy 2x 2h or I gotta be specd fury

[fierce elm]

the difference wont matter

[copper fox]

Anyone done it as arms

[patent forum]

You get 2 tokens as a warrior

Period

[copper fox]

Cool

[narrow compass]

yeah you get two tokens as Ret as well, bc the 2Hers cost 2tokens

Unless ur fury

[patent forum]

For war they just cost 1

Source: I have another war specced to arms with arms loot spec

[narrow compass]

sweet

i have a spare token just sitting here

[verbal tangle]

Yeah war buys the Mastery 2h and the Haste 1h

[tribal holly]

Huh

@fierce elm ?

[urban skiff]

11k is like 10 minutes of work if I'm lazy

[onyx marlin]

i know i know

but difference is huge

[urban skiff]

prep for SMF

[fickle forge]

I do play colossus already

[urban skiff]

turbo when

[fierce elm]

WHATS UP BABYGIRL

If you play arms you buy the one hander because then you can play prot

dumbo

[tribal holly]

Ic

[fierce elm]

Pretty non-sigma to not know the hidden tech of prot off-spec

also the conq weapon is what, 603 or something lmao

[verbal tangle]

Embellish weapon is bis

Fury just plays 1, so you pick up the Mastery 2H, then you have one left ovwr

And Prot uses Haste

[queen peak]

Is arms finally viable with the buffs? Can I come back from hunter land?

[fierce elm]

It was always viable

[verbal tangle]

^

It just wasn't better than Fury

Honestly all three specs are good in pvp

[fickle forge]

Nein

Oh shit we're back to Starbucks warrior

Frappe Mortelle

[bold garden]

Is the 4p bonus worth it for arms?

[vapid rover]

[fickle forge]

It looks fun, but also very scuffed if mages are allowing you to hit full demos

[fierce elm]

nope

[vapid rover]

Sometimes i just dont use demo during like 2mn (becaéuse i cant), they just forget i have a spell in my pocket that can deal 4 millions dmg

i always try to find a window to not be unpredictable

sure that build is not optimal, but i find very interesting, make you thinking about the game and finding a way to set up

[urban skiff]

literally always was good

[queen peak]

Maybe it was because I played Colossus over slayer arms, but it did not feel good

Guess I need to do some catch-up gearing now

[lavish quest]

Warrior feels awful to play

Regardless of which you go

[wheat jay]

i go pve

its fun

[plush cairn]

pretty cool

[boreal veldt]

All bad, go colossus, big bonk, big meme, silly goose fun

[lavish quest]

Same, I'm playing war, ret, and rsham in pve

[forest terrace]

is the vicious saddle % bugged

[plush cairn]

yes

[boreal veldt]

don't need brain cell to get brain dopamine

[lavish quest]

Tho for some reason I can't be arsed to do high keys atm

[plush cairn]

pvp is more fun than pve for me idk

[wheat jay]

collosus m+ mad fun

[fierce elm]

wack

[plush cairn]

i tried pvping

and now i cant pve

boring

[fierce elm]

because they are

its a lot more punishing

Also 10-12 is such a huge fucking gap

[lavish quest]

I'm prot thunderclapin when I M+

[fierce elm]

even 10-11 is a huge gap

[lavish quest]

I haven't even tried a 10 yet. Just sitting in my 8 and 9s land

[fierce elm]

9 seems to be the sweet spot outside of vault

[plush cairn]

i only did m+ week1 and then completely stopped

didnt even raid

[fierce elm]

9 gives the crests + top ilvl gear from m+

[plush cairn]

i got the elite set + skyflayer, now i want to kill queen and get ksm

so i could quit pve

[boreal veldt]

idk why but the raid just doesn't seem interesting at all

even with crab mode on

big meh

[plush cairn]

atleast next week ill get some pvp upgrades

🙂

[boreal veldt]

crab mode bis

[lavish quest]

Heroic queen ain't worth the squeeze

[wheat jay]

she's easy lol

we skip big adds in last phase

cuz we just push that much dmg in p1 xD

[lavish quest]

I've already killed it

I just have no desire to do it again with pugs lmao

[wheat jay]

fair lol

[lavish quest]

Pugs got brain dmg

[shrewd blaze]

So ever since I earned my flayer pvp mount, I don’t seem to be making progress on the saddles (winning games above 1k rating). Is that a bug?

[fierce elm]

that sounds like a bug

[shrewd blaze]

Ah okay. Bummer

Weird it is not addressed yet but oh well

[fierce elm]

most likely a display bug only

[shrewd blaze]

Hmm interesting

[fierce elm]

there are plenty of those

[lavish quest]

Who needs saddles? I have like 20 in my bank

[plush cairn]

u can also get progress to 98%, open up 8 wow1-8 accounts all at once and log into all lvl80 chars

with the game on wow1

get saddles on each acc

buy sub

mail to main

if u wanna speedrun

so that way u can get all the mounts in a couple weeks

[lavish quest]

Already got em all. So meh

[forest terrace]

i just want my first man :(

[charred snow]

Damn, this is not a happy chat. Did they blow it with M+ boys?

[fierce elm]

It's just rough

a bunch of changes are pretty brutal

some timers are generous as fuck, some are wildly close

[cerulean vale]

Is there anything decent where I can learn to play fury or arms better in PvP

[fierce elm]

What are you looking for

just overall build information or gameplay stuff

[cerulean vale]

Kind of everything I don’t have a good understanding rn

[fierce elm]

Overall build information I know Bajheera has some information out on youtube

otherwise murlok.io always have the most popular things

For gameplay wise your best option is watching streams honestly

PvP isn't really just do x in y situation usually

[cerulean vale]

That makes sense who else besides bahjeera is there

No I get that it isn’t I just don’t understand I guess basic priority or rotation for either spec rn

[fierce elm]

In terms of streams, Magnusz, Bajheera, MUD

The basic priority/rotation is the same as it is in PvE

just with the PvP talent sheets

[scarlet barn]

Mud is doomer

[cerulean vale]

Oh

[fierce elm]

so you can just do the PvE rotation

Of course with the talents chosen for PvP and not with PvE talents

[cerulean vale]

Yea yea

Ok I appreciate it

[fierce elm]

So check out Warrior streams, learn the rotation in PvE, Wowhead has a fantastic rotation written out

Murlok.io for gearing and general builds

[urban skiff]

price gone up 2k already, just as I predicted

[swift hornet]

Would war mode crit chest piece be worth running over a green mastery chest piece? Mainly for the mainstat increase/ilvl

For slayer fury

[fierce elm]

most likely yeah

[urban skiff]

might as well convert it to set if the stats are better

[forest terrace]

i think tier chest is crit haste iirc

[swift hornet]

Is it worth running the 4 set now with the buffs?

I already have tier helmet and legs atm

[fierce elm]

probably not

you can wait regardless

[plush cairn]

ditched all addons

back to default + gladius

but god damn how non-hd default ui looks lol

i need to install hd pack

[copper fox]

Wait the set piece buffs don’t apply to PvP tho

[plush cairn]

they do

50% effectiveness tho

[swift hornet]

their halved

[copper fox]

No

The buffs

Aren’t PvP

[swift hornet]

Oh gotcha

[copper fox]

I know how tier sets work for PvP lol I’m just saying we still don’t use 4 piece imo

For fury

[swift hornet]

My bad man, just read your message wrong

[copper fox]

You’re good

[urban skiff]

I have seen exactly zero math to support why the 4 piece isn't worth equipping. It's worth around 2.5% dps increase in pve so 1.25% damage is a bit when there's only one set piece that's downright undesirable statwise

[fierce elm]

Probably because the lack of vers already

[copper fox]

Yep

It’s vers

[fierce elm]

and the undesirable stats for 1.25% damage approx

[copper fox]

No math needed

lol

[fierce elm]

But yeah, 1.25% is such a miniscule thing that wont be noticed

meanwhile the % in vers is noticeable

[copper fox]

Yea the 4 set is glaringly worse to run. You don’t need to test it

[fierce elm]

you lil analyst nerd

[copper fox]

Typical shaman behavior

[urban skiff]

if you wanted vers so much you wouldn't be crafting gear over equipping base conquest

[fierce elm]

We feelycraft here

[urban skiff]

crafted gear loses 20% vers

[copper fox]

Conq is limited rn

[urban skiff]

or is it 15%?

[fierce elm]

Something like that

but the crafted pieces are purely for the embellish right now, no?

I haven't kept up with gearing

[urban skiff]

You freely choose between crafting and buying conq pieces

people are crafting left and right

[copper fox]

Embellishments

• stat

[fierce elm]

Just hit buttons better

[copper fox]

It’s quite simple.
Scales higher than honor. We are capped on conq atm and can’t have full conq

[urban skiff]

this isn't at all what I'm talking about

when you craft a ring instead of buying that same ring (everyone is doing all jewelry, by the way) you're losing vers

so VERS is not the reason people aren't equipping tier set

Crafted conq pieces have 50/50 split between vers and other stat. Bought pieces have 35% other stat, 65% vers

[copper fox]

Yes it is. Wait until conq is uncapped to make claims like that tbh

[urban skiff]

WHAT

[fierce elm]

lmao

[copper fox]

Who has so many crafted that you’re referring to

[fierce elm]

Are you guys arguing for different things

[copper fox]

Yes

It’s fun

[urban skiff]

I can literally buy my last piece of conq today

[urban skiff]

He's definitely not reading what I'm writing

[copper fox]

?

Looks like you still need 7 pieces of conq gear if you are talking about not using crafted

You’ve taken a massive turn away from why 4 piece isn’t used

[urban skiff]

literally 70% of the top ladder has one or more crafted ring

[plush cairn]

making my own weakaura pack rn

how can i change sudden death icon into execute?

i try changing id

and it crashes wow

lol

[fierce elm]

Ring was crafted for Mastery

I can tell you that at least

thats as much as I know

[copper fox]

The ring argument is so irrelevant to this topic

lol

[fierce elm]

it was purely made so you could rock two mastery+vers rings rather than one haste+vers

at least it was early season

[plush cairn]

i crafted neck/ring/wrist

[copper fox]

Yes

[urban skiff]

If you're not picking up what I'm putting out, you're not the person I'm asking

[fierce elm]

Neck was also heavy on vers and low on mastery, so most crafted neck to gain more mastery

[copper fox]

People wanted to stack mastersy early

[fierce elm]

it is an interesting thing though

[urban skiff]

There's definitely a vast distance between my question and your capacity to answer

[plush cairn]

but honestly season is still fresh and imo people just went with whatever they could

rings are cheap

in terms of the heraldry

[copper fox]

You haven’t laid out a normal question. You’ve made multiple statements

[plush cairn]

i didnt craft weapon since we were getting 2x for free anyways

[copper fox]

And to backtrack to the original question of the 4 piece, it makes 0 sense to run the 4 piece and lose the vers

[fierce elm]

He hasn't made a weird statement

[copper fox]

Didn’t say weird

[urban skiff]

no. I asked why people think ignoring 4set is good for damage. The answer was "to get vers". I'm saying that can't be true, because they craft a lot of gear already, which costs a ton of vers.

[fierce elm]

We crafted neck specifically to get more mastery, so to not go 4 set for more vers is weird

[verbal tangle]

@urban skiff the real secret tech

[urban skiff]

THIS

[fierce elm]

because then we would just run honor/conq neck

he has a point

Its the same with the ring, if we were so desperate for vers we would just run one haste/vers ring

[urban skiff]

my secret tech is great

[copper fox]

It’s less of a desperation and more of a min/max thing

[fierce elm]

Personally, I think the vers from the conq pieces have two big advantages compared to the tier set bonus

[verbal tangle]

[urban skiff]

trying out a variant, it has great AA damage

[fierce elm]

If you take the vers gained that should easily be more than 1% damage while also providing damage reduction

[copper fox]

It’s that simple

[fierce elm]

while also getting at least one really beneficial stat

[copper fox]

Tbh

[bitter aurora]

A lot of the set has no verse at all, crafting you’re still getting decent verse it’s just more balanced with mastery

[fierce elm]

So what I just said

[urban skiff]

if it were simple, someone would have put out math to show it

nobody has

[fierce elm]

I think most people arent going to do math for 1%

tbh

[copper fox]

The non set pieces make more sense without math

[fierce elm]

at least not in PvP

[copper fox]

Everything doesn’t need math

This is clear cut

[fierce elm]

PvP has generally a ton of feelycraft because nobody really wants to type out the %

thats why the tier set % was from a PvE specific document

[copper fox]

The issue is you’re not just seeing it for what it is. If you need math for such an obvious thing that’s the actual issue

[urban skiff]

Aren't you one of the people passing through here, asking what to buy/craft/equip first all the time?

[bitter aurora]

personally going for the 4 set, unless you’re playing top 0.1% it really doesn’t matter

[copper fox]

How many warrior glad titles do you have?

[urban skiff]

Seems like allowing us to discuss this would benefit you?

[copper fox]

Since you’re bringing this up now

[urban skiff]

don't be the weirdo

[fierce elm]

Why is this so aggressive lmao

[urban skiff]

Math gives him the ick lol

[verbal tangle]

He got called the fuck out

[copper fox]

Idk you tell me why he stated this

[fierce elm]

My dude is bringing up a valid point

[copper fox]

????

[lavish quest]

What if I'm better than a lot of the people with glads?

[copper fox]

Why was he initially aggressive I agree

Kinda weird

[fierce elm]

BOTH RELAX

[lavish quest]

Afro

[fierce elm]

CHRIST

[lavish quest]

Am I doing this right?

[copper fox]

He’s a

Weird guy for sure

[fierce elm]

lmao its so fucking bad

I played pvp until 1700 then stopped

because I aint playing into DK/Affli in it's current state

fuck that shit

[lavish quest]

Not a lot of DKs running around anymore

[copper fox]

Dks scared now

[lavish quest]

People realized rogue and feral are way better

[copper fox]

It’s all ferals and hpal

[urban skiff]

could you please not act like i struck all the nerves at once? I just asked a question and it got weird fast

[lavish quest]

I swear people are wrong about S tier all the time

[fierce elm]

yeah fuck that too

[urban skiff]

bro what did my eyes do to you?

[copper fox]

Ferals are so toxic rn it’s insane

90% of games are feral

[urban skiff]

Just play enh

[copper fox]

I’m 2k in ss and every q has a feral

[urban skiff]

like they do the stupid jump around jump around jump around and then they get low and then they get confident and then you remind them you have a 3 min cooldown

Enh is the true SMF thane right now

[copper fox]

I was playing KFC but with the hpal meta now we just lose because of bop

So we are going to start playing thunder next week

[urban skiff]

Not warrior related but I just had a stupid revelation that's really stupid

The windfury/stormstrike build for enh relies entirely on mainhand

Finally a build that functions WITH A TWOHANDER

[fierce elm]

Affli DK has ruined my experience

Im a mythic+ gamer until wednesday

just in time to abuse Templar Paladin

[scarlet barn]

/spit

[plush cairn]

i wonder if making rampage sound wa is a good idea

i made a sudden death proc with kaching sound

makes me react faster

[urban skiff]

make a weakaura that let's me replace sounds with other sounds

[lavish quest]

wE DRIPPED OUT

[urban skiff]

I want the soundset from berserker fighting alter saber in Fate series

[bitter aurora]

Hawk-tua

[plush cairn]

thanks

will make that for defensive stance

[urban skiff]

the fuck is going on

[bitter aurora]

[pure hornet]

Dang you raape em

[urban skiff]

I'm not even done yet

2 minutes left

[limber relic]

pve community ismore aids than the pvp community

yikes

[urban skiff]

not a bad win, this build is hella fun for bgs!

[pure hornet]

Stop playing pve and come to pvp you forggoten god

[pure hornet]

Is shammy fun?

[urban skiff]

fuck yes

[limber relic]

pvp is stupid rn ngl

[urban skiff]

it's everything thane should have been

[limber relic]

i swear, 99% of all my glad friends went pve

[urban skiff]

do people even "go" pvp/pve?

don't normal people do both?

[pure hornet]

Yeah but pve is like special olimpics… even tough you won your still..

[limber relic]

na

[limber relic]

ngl stil more fun than pvp atm

[pure hornet]

Pve is like playing mario..
You fight a ai not a real human

My opinion is humans are more satisfying when killed

[urban skiff]

That's not at all how pve'ers compete

[limber relic]

pvp is running simulator

[urban skiff]

It's the difference between playing CS:GO and speedrunning a game

Like completely different objectives

PVE is about perfect execution and getting a high-score that others cannot beat.
Pvp is about direct competition

[pure hornet]

I just like oposing real players
They can improvize
Pc has scripted pathways

[limber relic]

dont get me wrong

i pref pvp

but rn pvp is just stupid

its literally like m+ but player v player

[pure hornet]

Pvp is like slaping your wife
Pve is like slaping a tree

[urban skiff]

.. again, in pve you aren't competing against the game. You're still competing against other players. By ranking best, by having the best fight execution, shortest fight, highest m+ level completed, etc

[pure hornet]

To each they’re own

[urban skiff]

That's also a way to handwave being wrong about how the pve scene is competitive

It's literally a case of "you aren't part of it, you wouldn't get it"

[pure hornet]

Pve is deep lie
Deep but still lie

[limber relic]

i dont wanna sound like old Pepperidge farm

but

before u used to be able to outplay ppl

now u kinda cant

[pure hornet]

I want to pve when i’m old so i can have an excuse

[rancid granite]

speedrunners racing is crazy

like super metroid or something

best analogy

[limber relic]

i remember when i used to duel mages alot

u could outplay thir charge

now nomatter what u do u cant close gap

[pure hornet]

Hate them mages more than ugly women

[limber relic]

i liked mages cuz it was fun outplaying them

now

nomatter what u do u get outrun

[pure hornet]

Mage is sad life

[limber relic]

and evokers?

[urban skiff]

I only really got into speedrunning after playing Ghostrunner

[limber relic]

infinite hover

[pure hornet]

Evo is just op for the moment, got a feel they will suck soon

[fallen estuary]

Idk what crack the devs are smoking but god damn evokers did not need blink

[plush cairn]

any way to change sudden death

into execute icon?

[fallen estuary]

No

[plush cairn]

model seems to crash wow

[limber relic]

yes

[urban skiff]

Just use execute instead and trigger off of sudden death

I have absolutely no knowledge about weakaura and how it works but that seems like the simple solution

[rancid granite]

i aint speedrunning a thing except mario 1 lol i cant comprehend people who do it on a game that takes more than like 10mins lol

[urban skiff]

Ghostrunner isn't so bad

it's down under 35 minutes now

Dark souls is almost under 20 minutes

huh

baldur's gate 3 is at 3 minutes, how the fuck

last i checked it was like 20 minutes

[rancid granite]

crazy lol

[cinder thorn]

I'm thinking to get that game

I played BG1 and 2

What's 3 mins

[urban skiff]

The speedrun

any%

Bg3 is a master piece for anyone who's into roleplaying games

And for anyone who thinks bg3 being a turnbased game is a mistake, they're just wrong people and don't deserve to play something this good

[cinder thorn]

What do you mean a 3 min speed run lol

They have a while campaign which should take hours

Are you using a different definition of speed run?

BTW does it have nice mutiplayer? Pvp?

[urban skiff]

... huh?

is this a language barrier or am i having a stroke?

[cinder thorn]

You said bg3 has a 3 min speed run

[urban skiff]

it has several

[fierce elm]

Not glitchless

But yeah

its pretty neat to watch

Also PvP in BG3 the fuck

the multiplayer is very neat with friends

[urban skiff]

5e D&D pvp is literally not a thing

People occasionally try at game tables but it's almost always a shit experience for everyone involved

[cinder thorn]

OK does it have nice multilayer? Is it replay able

[urban skiff]

I don't like the wrongwarp speedruns. I want to see people blast through a game most efficiently, not just confuse the game. 😦

[urban skiff]

What kind of multiplayer do you want? Play with friends, craft your own story. replayability is super high if you don't play the same way every time

[cinder thorn]

Thx

[plush cairn]

honestly how can ppl play with this shit

[urban skiff]

What am i looking at?

[lavish quest]

He complaining people use addons

[urban skiff]

Oh no

it's a boomer

[rancid granite]

lmao

[pure hornet]

Bg2 was nicee

[plush cairn]

is this default?

going bald trying to figure out if its addon or blizz cast bar

ah its quartz

[fierce elm]

its not lmao

[wet pollen]

Can you stack 2x of the same rank embellish? Or do they gotta be diff rank?

[narrow compass]

was about to say, you think blizz would make something nice? Their UI team is stuck in 2011.

[manic tendon]

is fury still out performing arms?

[fierce elm]

yes

[plush cairn]

and wtf is this shit

under my rage/enrage bars

slaughterhouse

looks like quartz again but im not so sure

cant find the option for it

looks like it was under buffds

buffs

[fierce elm]

Nothing has really changed no

You go for a mix of haste/mastery

I wouldnt go crit whatsoever tbh

basically yeah

[boreal veldt]

you can stack same rank

[worthy wind]

Should i be using pve tier gear over non-tier pvp gear for the set bonuses?

[fierce elm]

no

[worthy wind]

ok ty

What about the cataclyst pvp tier gear?

[limber relic]

more crit = higher chance of u critting

[fierce elm]

yes

[hoary latch]

mastery verse and some haste feelsgood

since warr is squishy rn

[fierce elm]

You get like 2 piece

nothing more

[limber relic]

u can get 3p

[iron fractal]

Anger Management or Reckless Abandon?

[limber relic]

vault x2 + 1600 token

[fierce elm]

you can

[limber relic]

but 4p not worth

[fierce elm]

But you are most likely not nabbing 4 piece anyways

so unless the 3 piece has good stats fuck it

[limber relic]

yeah

[limber relic]

id say anger managment but i havent pvpd in awhile and saw that reckless abandon is getting nerfed cuz its "prerforming better on everything"

so i think reckless might be better

[iron fractal]

Been looking at murlok and it seems to be a bit 50/50.

[limber relic]

IMO murloc can be missleading

whoever is ontop could be specced into pve or any other bracket that you're looking at which gives other results

exactly

thats why whenver ppl ask me on stream about my build and ask me to send it to them

i always tell them never to copy paste

and to understand why you pick specific talents

[zenith marlin]

I got 639 pve set shoulders

[fierce elm]

you can use those

[zenith marlin]

As someone who maxes out both pve and pvp I miss abusing both

BFA double chest

[keen sinew]

Hi, I noticed a lot of warriors use Algari Competitor's Signet. Do I understand it correctly that I should buy the 3x epic heraldries, the other material and go to crafting orders? I want to spend my CPs wisely so that's why I'm asking

[fierce elm]

Algari is honor crafted

[keen sinew]

damn, what is it?

[fierce elm]

So you use the Honor heraldries

[keen sinew]

"honor crafted"

[fierce elm]

instead of the epic heraldries

[keen sinew]

Oh, I get it!

btw how can I change the embellishment on my weapon? I'd swap Symbiosis for ascendance if I could

[fierce elm]

you need to find a crafter

then re-craft it in the artisan thing

[keen sinew]

so the crafting orders wouldnt work for this? I need to find a crafter?

[fierce elm]

yes

you need to find a crafter and make it a Personal Order

[keen sinew]

damn I'll have too google how this works + what materials I need for this 😄

[fierce elm]

all you need is the embellish

[keen sinew]

Writhing Armor Banding - I don't have my 2nd embellishment. Could you recommend how to get this one? I have CP hands so should I craft the Honor boots to get this? I'm cheacking Murlok.io and it seems ppl do this.

[keen sinew]

that sounds promising 😄

[fierce elm]

you just craft it with honor heraldries

on w.e slot everyone else is tbh

which is boots

[keen sinew]

honor heraldries are the green ones or the blue ones? Blue, right?

[fierce elm]

the blue ones yeah

you just buy em with w.e honor

[green wharf]

you wonder

[keen sinew]

Thanks a lot. I came from classic era recently 😄

[green wharf]

why the green ones exist

[keen sinew]

just checking the vendor, the green ones cost more honor than the blue ones 😄

[rancid granite]

you can buy em

use em to farm honor, honor to farm bloodytokens/conq

[hybrid socket]

Did arms just get a big buff?

[green wharf]

no

[low cobalt]

Depends what big is

I would say they were significant buffs

[fierce elm]

Tuesday/Wednesday

they are significant buffs

[low cobalt]

Doesnt make them S++ tier tho

[hybrid socket]

Oh I was reading the hotfix but it's not live until oct 8 right?

I'm getting carpal playing fury and might go back to arms

[low cobalt]

But they are good buffs 🙏

[mild ember]

Good. Can't wait. Never stopped playing arms. I'll never play as filthy fury.

[rancid granite]

its too similar to care i found out lol

overpower/raging blow..... mortalstrike/rampage..... thunderclap/bloodthirst

all else the same np

[serene kestrel]

we need to stop warrior hate across specs. we're stronger if we band together

blizzard tries to divide us so they can buff mortal strike, like they do in the first 4 months of every single xpac, and look like heroes in the process.

[serene kestrel]

idk where prot is at rn but never forget what they took away from us

gladiator stance . . .

[green wharf]

i did, it seems like i can't do anything with arms

skill issue for sure, but i hate the playstyle

and i mained arms since CATA, and arms only

[iron fractal]

Quite fond of Reckless Abondon

Would someone recommend Fresh meat or Improved Bloodthirst?

[chilly magnet]

Prot is very fun and I can actually beat mages in pvp.

[narrow compass]

the funny part is, they feel the need to nerf it EVERY expansion and then...they revert it EVERY time.

youd think theyd learn

[serene kestrel]

fucking

facts bro

had this realization today and it just mindfucked me

[green wharf]

how so, cause i might reroll prot then

i hate mages to the bone

[chilly magnet]

The amount of damage mitigation and mobility I can last through all of their cds and with spear and thunder blast I can stay on them

You can use dragon charge as a way to close gaps because you can cancel it right before you knock them away.

I use is to to out of mage circles.

This isn't for arena purpose though. I do alot of world pvp.

[glossy island]

5.5 mil demolish with a 1 mil ms

Get out my fcking game

Did he think I was fury

[chilly magnet]

Berserker and saltwater potions put down the hits.

[glossy island]

This is a solo shuffle

[chilly magnet]

Damn nice

[glossy island]

That ten stack demolish work

[azure rivet]

why dont we use radiant power for pvp enchants

[chilly magnet]

That's what I use

I also use the on use trinket for my burst with demolish.

[heady karma]

is fury still better than arms?

[frosty flower]

Anybody else play cata too and keep kicking nothing thinking you have gag order?

[serene kestrel]

bg blitz is bad for the soul

[urban skiff]

look at these geniuses

[serene kestrel]

what was timer?

[urban skiff]

perfectly executing the split capture method

enemy can't predict to your location if you're EVERYWHERE

[serene kestrel]

i hate this game so much

i know if i keep playing ill break thru

but man it feels like im being tested rn

idk why all my teams HAVE to be dysfunctional

i should just find a real rbg team but idk if those exist

[urban skiff]

they don't

RBG is so incredibly toxic

Rampant bullying and harassment. Try to push back and nobody wants to invite you from any of the other teams

[green wharf]

but are you able to kill then? or they admit defeat and go away

[serene kestrel]

^ this

[green wharf]

i jusst cant deal with mages, they need to be real bad for me to kill it, so many blinks, roots and slows

then, heal everything cause time bs

[serene kestrel]

cant engage with charge

[green wharf]

then iceblock

at that time they have all their cds back

[serene kestrel]

if u can get them to blink first which is pretty ez u can pump up the aggression

man im just having a really hard time the second a healer enters the fight

and its fucked up cuz i have multiple ppl around me at all times hitting shit but nothing is dying period so like tf is going on??

[urban skiff]

arms or fury?

[serene kestrel]

fury kinda debating swapping back to arms since im just more comfortable with it overall

[urban skiff]

I much prefer fury but I think arms will be in a really good spot on wednesday

[tribal wedge]

haste + mastery for me

[tribal wedge]

the only piece of crit i will have is for the 4set

[dense herald]

help

do i cancel q and go again

FFS WHY DO I ALWAYS LOSE IN THE NEW BG

LAST GAME WE WERE LEADING 1498 to 1000 AND WE LOST,now this game we were leading 1.2k to 500 and we lost cuz they cant fucking ready chat and we lost our cart

[fierce elm]

lmao

[dense herald]

I was saying in chat GO OUR CART

and motherfuckers went mid

and 2 ppl ganged up on me on our cart and we lost

[cinder thorn]

You're putting too much effort

I blitz people either know what to do or they don't

There's a lot of loud people who give trash instructions sometimes so people ignore chat mostly

[urban skiff]

m8, don't bother being tilted. Get the WA that hides your ratings and just go again and again and again until you see an achievement pop up

[cinder thorn]

I use chat to inform others that do care of things that are happening and let people decide without expecting much

To be fair I'm probably going to stop playing wow I'm not happy with how warriors are in pvp fundamentally and they're the only class I care to play

[urban skiff]

Don't stop playing WoW. Go give enh shaman a try

it's so relaxing to have tools against literally everything that might slightly annoy a warrior

[cinder thorn]

I played every class to 70 I know them all, only one that interes me is the warrior

[rancid granite]

how are warriors to you fundamentally

[cinder thorn]

It's demoralising to play it vs anyone who knows what they are doing

I remember in the past there were distinct advantages and disadvantages each class had

Now it's all so blurred, kiting became extreme and it's just feeling too bloated

[rancid granite]

playstyle?

[rancid granite]

this is the way. instead of focusing on numbers its focusing on playing and getting better... and if you play to improve yourself then you climb

the easy thing to do is point at every other teammate and class though which just gets you nowhere

[urban skiff]

i absolutely promise you, having played enh to 70 does not accurately portray what it feels like in pvp right now at 80

And if that's true for enh, then it's certainly true for other specs as well. I'm going to go out on a limb here and claim you haven't found your true class yet

[jovial torrent]

anyone know what addon/setting mes uses for his arena frames, really like his setup for it but not sure what which one it is

[rapid shore]

Looks like sarena

[tribal wedge]

gladius ex

[fierce elm]

that is def gladius ex no?

[rapid shore]

ok

my bad

[fierce elm]

dont apologize its okay lmao

we can be wrong too

[rapid shore]

:D

[jovial torrent]

mnn looks like il have to do alot of messign around with it, cant see any built in profiles

[fierce elm]

actually

that isnt gladiusex

unless its very customized

[rancid granite]

ngl i took it as he was just disheartened from losing lol; but it's a good point still, warrior main since forever but

it can be kinda basic and boring

loving pvp on rogue tho

[covert ledge]

hi, didnt find info here... but for arms whats the stat prio? haste/crit?

[fierce elm]

vers > Mastery/Haste > crit

[rancid granite]

but maybe its basic and boring cause im bad at what matters with drs/cooldown tracking etc

[covert ledge]

mast, rly?

[fierce elm]

yes?

Mast is literally just a flat % damage increase

[rancid granite]

"haste to taste" is the rule

so get some haste then dump mast, really

[covert ledge]

thought crit>mastery

but thanks!

[fierce elm]

If you wanna RNG some big hits sure

Mastery is just more safe

[rancid granite]

bajheera made that guide but like no one but him seems to be using it lol

and even hes still fury

[covert ledge]

do u feel the arms buff will be enough?

[urban skiff]

arms is one of those magical specs where everything works

having 5% more crit isn't going to hurt you

[rancid granite]

yeah id asssume crit build is nice too

just one of those 'feel' things maybe

[urban skiff]

It's why we say haste to taste. Haste isn't about hitting some magical point where it does more per point. It's just about the spec feeling good to play

I'm always a proponent of raising crit (for non-fury) because going from 5% crit to 10% crit is literally doubling your chance to spike and do something unexpected

[covert ledge]

the thing is execute already crits alot with the talents

[urban skiff]

And the absolute worst thing you can do in arenas is being predictable, unless you're in a position where them knowing what you're planning doesn't mean they can stop it. (which isn't a thing for warrior, except those rare instances where we kill with bladestorm)

[manic tendon]

So with the buffs coming Tuesday is armas Colossus gonna be better than slayer

[urban skiff]

add the pvp buffs yourself

[manic tendon]

So slayer is still gonna be the way to go it would seem

[urban skiff]

It's still a case of "play what you like, you're more likely to keep playing and improve if you like it"

which is a boring answer but it is what it is

@fierce elm what are we training today? I'm doing OHP on my 1+ week of 5/3/1

[fierce elm]

Im still sick lmao

[urban skiff]

I'll do an extra rep in your memory

[covert ledge]

top arms players are playing colossus?

[urban skiff]

Idk

I don't care what the top are doing. They have vastly different enemies to fight and need a different toolkit

[tribal wedge]

anyway, if you are not aiming to be on the top, play what you pref

[covert ledge]

I mean, I wanna play what gives me the most % chance of winning

[tribal wedge]

slayer or colossus wont change heavily your % chance of winning

[fierce elm]

Im ded

was hoping to be back in the gym tomorrow

but man I am fucked

[fierce elm]

they are playing slayer

[covert ledge]

i checked the top 5 in EU and NA, all colossys

[fierce elm]

the fuck

[urban skiff]

That's still individual. You may vibe better with colossus despite it being less popular.

[covert ledge]

https://seramate.com/us/Icecrown/Mud

[fierce elm]

dont trust mud

he is cringe

[covert ledge]

smexin, rio, killborn etc

[fierce elm]

Also it doesn't matter in the end

pick whichever you vibe with

[gaunt nexus]

just make sure to zug enough

[covert ledge]

yh

i hate colossus lul

[urban skiff]

@elfin surge can we pin this?

[fierce elm]

MUD IS CRINGE

[dense herald]

im above 2.4k

i jsut wanna push to higher

[fierce elm]

we should remove the brown class

[urban skiff]

Start playing enh

[fierce elm]

I play the pink class

[urban skiff]

Tbh warriors are kind of fun. They don't hurt and they're just so eager

Let's go! Goal is 8-11 reps.

Fuck yeah, 8 reps for me and 1 for afro. New pr at 96, up from 93

[fierce elm]

wtf 1 for me

shoulda done 15

smh

[urban skiff]

I did 8 nice ones and one uggo

[fierce elm]

that one uggo always happens

especially on OHP

you just get fried suddenly

[urban skiff]

True

Still technically it's seated pin press with fat grips and not a real ohp, but i got the bottom strength so not worried yet about going back to real standing ohp.

Sticking point is an inch above forehead. How do i fix that? Chains?

[fierce elm]

thats the usual suspect

I just fixed it by getting more power off the bottom tbh

But yeah, any sort of thing that would increase the power needed there but not at the bottom

chains, bands

Personally could never break through that and just aimed to make as much power as I could at the bottom to break through it

[urban skiff]

That makes sense. Bigger output in bottom means more acceleration past sticking point

[fierce elm]

I did the same on bench

Pretty much figured that if I could just brute force strength from the bottom it would work out

same on deadlifts lmao

[urban skiff]

Any trick to improving bottom power? Lower pins or back to regular ohp? I don't have the space to do standing ohp. My rack has bars at the top

[fierce elm]

I did a ton of slingshot work honestly

Also a lot of just static holds which worked oddly enough

My training isnt conventional lmao

[urban skiff]

Man slingshot is on my purchase list but below shoes and new SBD gear that isn't 8 years old

[fierce elm]

I didn't do much regular OHP when I PRd it for the final time honestly, I did more specialized work, my shoulders are pretty fucked so I knew I couldn't rely on them for strength

so did a fuckton of tricep work

[urban skiff]

Strongman training is never conventional

[fierce elm]

Slingshot is a godsend

[urban skiff]

Hmm, i haven't done triceps specific work in 6ish years

[fierce elm]

Ton of dips helped

Which is obvious

A lot for OHP personally was just being able to handle the pressure of the weight

and not give up my position

[urban skiff]

I have dip bar, could work with that. But get bored mindless because my bw is like 100 and that's not enouhh on its own. Got belt with chain but it's just short enough that my nutsack is riding on top of my plates

[fierce elm]

Time to get another chain

can just buy one cheap as fuck lmao

[urban skiff]

I'll ask my welders if they have spare chains lying around

[fierce elm]

attach with carabiners or something

[iron fractal]

My favorite part about warrior discord is the casual gym routine talk in the PvP channel.
In the paladin discord they start screeching if you ask about PvP in the wrong PvP channel.

[urban skiff]

We occasionally have one of those pass through here and it never ends well for them

[iron fractal]

I got scolded once for answering someone’s question, because I hadn’t been in the channel long enough.

[urban skiff]

Fuck that.

Everyone here is welcome, as long as they welcome everyone.

(Except nazis)

We are all brothers in arms

And fury and prot

[fierce elm]

yall are not welcome

[urban skiff]

And sometimes ret and survival and enhancement

[fierce elm]

losers

[deep condor]

Spotto press helped me a lot with bottom power, if I'm following the convo well enough lol

[fierce elm]

You are following it well enough lmao

Spoto press is also good

I mean bench has carry over to OHP so you can just add in something there

Spoto, Larsen, w.e

Pin presses for tricep strength

Motto was always to have enough speed that fuck sticking points

[urban skiff]

Oh yeah I used to do that when i still went to the gym, did it on the floor

[wheat jay]

and except furries

[urban skiff]

Especially furries are welcome. They generally don't do anything to hurt others, except live their own life with no regard to what others think of them.

That's big dog energy

[wheat jay]

nah bro

nah

[urban skiff]

I have infinite respect for people who stay in their own lane and leave others alone

Cringe is a you-problem 🙂

Furries are good boys and good girls. Treasure them. Give them snaccies and tummyrubbies

[wheat jay]

no

i give them lead

[urban skiff]

head*

[wheat jay]

O_O

cease

[urban skiff]

head pats

Guess I'll swap my Big But Boring 5x10 60% bench sets for spoto for a few cycles and see what happens

[fierce elm]

As mcuh as I love BBB but there are better ways for strength imo

but it all depends

you could always peak if you wanna be a chad lmao

[rancid granite]

dont you need to confirm your phone # to even join/talk too? which is like, a total paladin thing lmao

[copper fox]

Phone number and last 4 of social

[fierce elm]

uh, I havent done that

I can talk there

[copper fox]

Kidding about social lol

[fierce elm]

Yeah no SHIT

[urban skiff]

My time is limited and i seem to get great gains per time spent atm

[fierce elm]

Yeah it's definitely good

Its gonna work eventually thats the entire point of 531 lmao

[urban skiff]

It's 1 hour blocks and 3-4 times a week.

[fierce elm]

I am a psychopath who loves training at 95%

Monkey brain goes vroom doing 5x5 rpe 10 weighted dips

[urban skiff]

I was really nervous when i reset last time because I set a training max at like 90% 20 reps. Had a looooong time where I'd peak my 1+ weeks at 14+ reps and it felt really bad, because limit wasn't really strength

but now all my sessions I'm at 95% of my last recorded max when using epleys formula to estimate

hitting that 6-12 rep range

[fierce elm]

I love when you start doing like 10-14+ on 1+ weeks

[copper fox]

Same my best meets have been on conjugate programs

[fierce elm]

gives you time to test that cardio gains

Im surprised you would run 531 as a strongman oriented dude though

but if it works it works

[urban skiff]

I'm literally in the part of the cycle when my 14 reps turn to 12 turn to 10 turn to 8 and my max is now going up once every 3 weeks

[fierce elm]

I have had a ton of people overestimate their first week

then get stuck around a month into the program

because they are dumb as hell

Jim himself says its better to start with a lower TM lmao

[urban skiff]

Patience is paying off and next cycle my gym cycle peak is going to align with my TRT peak

I absolutely expect to shift my max up by 10-15% if I can get my sleep and head to line up with those weeks

[urban skiff]

and this is a super rare event and impossible to plan on purpose, since my 5/3/1 cycle is 7 weeks and TRT is 13 weeks. The worst numbers ever

[fierce elm]

PEAKING TIME

[copper fox]

@fierce elm powerlifter or strongman?

[fierce elm]

I haven't trained seriously in a bout a month

Casual lifter who likes lifting heavy

[fickle forge]

I miss Rootfro

[fierce elm]

But happen to have the ADHD that makes me very interested in random subjects

[copper fox]

I’m trying to figure out cambered bar box squats as we speak lol I suck at these

[urban skiff]

3 weeks to TRT
1 deload week next week, then 5 -> 3 TRT pin week -> 1 -> 5 -> 3 PEAK PEAK PEAK -> 1

[fierce elm]

Also "Casual"

[fickle forge]

I stopped doing deload weekd after Afro slandered deloading

[fierce elm]

Have a total of like 715kg

[urban skiff]

ADD squat reporting in. I'm on my 2nd week of meds

[fierce elm]

Deload week is a sham depending on your age

and overall nutrition/sleep quality

dont @ me

[urban skiff]

It's part of 5/3/1, it's the 4th week. I just do two 5/3/1 rounds and then deload instead of every 4th week

[fickle forge]

I only do 100% RM lifts now after Afro slandered deloading week

[fierce elm]

yeah, thats what most do

[rancid granite]

@fierce elm deload week a sham ok uh huh

[fierce elm]

I never deloaded

[urban skiff]

idk, it seems to help but i've been thinking about doing 3 rounds and then a deload.

[fierce elm]

If you run 531, have good sleep and nutrition and a basic understanding of form and you arent 30+, you shouldn't have to deload

[rancid granite]

til afro is 20 years old still

[fierce elm]

Of course assuming you don't have any bodily issues

[urban skiff]

I'm 38

[fierce elm]

27 this year

yeah exactly

[urban skiff]

But I have the hormone profile of a teenager

[fickle forge]

Afro is 35

[fierce elm]

Besides, once you start hitting big weights you naturally deload because of injuries lmao

[urban skiff]

truth

[rancid granite]

how long have you been lifting afro

[urban skiff]

also work stress

[fierce elm]

About 6 years I think, but on and off as fuck

I went to the gym the first time 6 years ago

[copper fox]

True only deload the week before a meet imo

[fierce elm]

then did like 1.5 years, then stopped for like 2 years, then one year and so forth

[copper fox]

If you gotta deload too often you’re doing something wrong

[fickle forge]

This is why you hit the powerlifting I see

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

yikes. 12 years here, but the first 7 I was handicapped by a massive testosterone deficiency

[fierce elm]

I am a casual viber

[rancid granite]

it depends on your goals too right, and like, the psych of it for deloads

[fickle forge]

Bro got fat in the 2 years break and went "fuck it I'm a powerlifter now"

[fierce elm]

Did powerlifting for about 90% of that now I just do whatever I want

[rancid granite]

life and motivation this and that etc

[fierce elm]

I just wanna lift heavy circles now

Recent focus is pullups+dips

because I cba grinding bench for 4 plates

[fickle forge]

Pullups when you're swole is tough man

[fierce elm]

then hurt shoulder going for a paused dip PR

Pullups ez

Weighted pullups hard : (

[copper fox]

Im too lazy to focus on pull ups

[urban skiff]

being fat is no excuse to not have abs though

[fierce elm]

Goated exercise

[copper fox]

I’m like 275 that shit is hard

[fickle forge]

Pullups ez he says at the 2 RM peak

[fierce elm]

what the fuck

WDYM 2 REPS

[fickle forge]

Simply hidden abs

[fierce elm]

My pb is like +50 for 2 with chin above bar no pause

hello

dont bully me

[fickle forge]

You swapped it around

[urban skiff]

how the fuck do you not get bored after 6 reps?

[copper fox]

Nice dude my best is like 8 reps

Lmao

[fickle forge]

2 for 50

[fierce elm]

No, +50kg

for 2

[urban skiff]

I can't progress pullup because of how mindnumbing it feels. If I had a longer chain I'd be doing them weighted like i used to at the gym with 2x20's under me

[fierce elm]

I used to do volume stuff but eventually I just got bored

[fickle forge]

Bro is doing more weight on pullups than bench

[fierce elm]

Now I just do variations or just slam on weights

[fickle forge]

Actually wild when you think about it

[fierce elm]

Decided to do chin ups for like 3 months because I felt like my arms were smol

sometimes use rings because its fun

[fickle forge]

I get bored putting on the belt and chain for weighted pullups

[fierce elm]

It's about fueling that masculine urge to be a strong boy

[urban skiff]

truth

[fierce elm]

Also saw that dude Smaev do chin ups to his fucking dick

and I got jealous

[urban skiff]

Hey what's the calisthenics thing where you're like horisontal under a pullup bar?

[fickle forge]

I just want the homies to say I have a good ass in my custom tailored jeans man

NoHomo

[urban skiff]

I'm like 90% of the way and would like to look up how to do it right, might as well make rows slightly more interesting

[fierce elm]

Military pullup?

like this

[urban skiff]

No, like body is horisontal

[fickle forge]

I wanna do muscle ups tbh

[urban skiff]

So the pullup would look like a dumb row

[zenith marlin]

Warr pvp chat is also fitness chat ngl

[fierce elm]

Oh you mean L-sits

[urban skiff]

all front facing up

[fierce elm]

or front lever

yeah thats front lever

[zenith marlin]

No other class discord has this shit

[urban skiff]

yes that's the one, thanks

[fierce elm]

Its like 90% core and hip strength lmao

[urban skiff]

I can do it if I dangle my legs at the knees

[fickle forge]

We got deleted last time for doing fitness talk

[urban skiff]

fake news

[fierce elm]

No thats because we called people names

[urban skiff]

we don't do that anymore

all good

[fickle forge]

We didn't call people names smh

[zenith marlin]

Don't mods understand that an arms warrior has to be fit so he doesn't get a stroke mid-arena

[fierce elm]

Honestly, Pull-ups have given me the most strength out of anything

[fickle forge]

We body shamed

[fierce elm]

and like pendlay rows

[copper fox]

@urban skiff come get these because idk how to pick these up

[fierce elm]

you grab em

you hug them

[iron fractal]

[urban skiff]

How'd you know I don't have the 2 prescribed balls?