In pvp I think its 90s icd
#pvp
onyx marlin
finished the bg and had that debuff, took the screenshot in dornogal
lavish quest
Should be no CD since charge already has a cd
fickle forge
It's tonight
lavish quest
It's tonight
U pve?
low ridge
I wish there was a place I could post my build and get feedback
lavish quest
That's how you know arms is down bad boys
onyx marlin
as arms at least
wheat jay
It's tonight
good luck
sweet solstice
any sick combos for fury in 3's?
lavish quest
Arms so bad kargish is a pve lord now. That's crazy 
cerulean trail
For fury pvp some guides say stack haste, and some stack mastery, which one is it?
shrewd blaze
has anyone else had trouble listing crafting orders and not having anyone pick them up? i'm not as familiar with the system and wondering if i just need to be more patient or add more to the commission
fierce elm
what guide says to stack anything
fierce elm
has anyone else had trouble listing crafting orders and not having anyone pick t...
It all depends on how many people are crafting
fierce elm
If you want to have it faster, give a bigger tip
shrewd blaze
It all depends on how many people are crafting
does it depend on realm? thanks for the answer
fickle forge
This guy ditched me
Oh my god you little fragile sandworm man
fierce elm
Oh my god you little fragile sandworm man
Go do raid : (
fickle forge
Bro wants the fucking glad bat so bad
fickle forge
Ima just be over here crying
Do it
fierce elm
I really enjoyed the games we played
fickle forge
Collect it in a cup
shrewd blaze
i will try to commission more then
fickle forge
I *really* enjoyed the games we played
Yeah it was kinda good, but man arms takes a different kind of breed to sustain mentally lmfao
fickle forge
And the fucking DRIFTING EVOKER MAN
fierce elm
lmao
cerulean trail
what guide says to stack *anything*
I dont knwow anything about PvP gearing so i was just looking at icy veins and they say haste > mastery, then i watch some youtube vids and i see people with ALL the mastery and low haste, so im confused
fierce elm
we can't complain we had a presvoker
fickle forge
fierce elm
Yeah dont watch the icy veins guide
The writer is scuffed
Just look at what the top dawgs are buying
fickle forge
He's pretty scuffed fr
fickle forge
Heard he hates fury
cerulean trail
where can i find what the top dogs are using?
fierce elm
You fucking despise fury
cerulean trail
is there a pvp logs lol
fierce elm
check their armories
fickle forge
WHY DID YOU WRITE THE FURY GUIDE KARG
Look man I got bunched to update lmao
fierce elm
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/magnusz mag logged off wih pvp gear
fickle forge
Need to update arms guide too
cerulean trail
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/magnusz mag logge...
thanks man
fickle forge
But I'm out here bulking at 6 PM, no time man
fierce elm
: (
The icy veins writer doesn't even pvp
he just gets carried by the best ret in the world
fickle forge
@elfin surge Say the line
fierce elm
My guy is Pepsi
elfin surge
Kargish? Karanze? Never heard of them.
fickle forge
rancid granite
man i heard so much about magnusz this magnusz that
finally see his character
3ft tall
elfin surge
man i heard so much about magnusz this magnusz that
finally see his character
3ft tall
rancid granite
right?
fickle forge
man i heard so much about magnusz this magnusz that
finally see his character
3ft tall
rancid granite
baby yoda lookin ass
fierce elm
just gotta get playing
uh skirms don't drop it form what I have seen
it has to be epic bgs or rated pvp from what I have heard
fallen solar
Y’all think the name, “Tiddysprankles” would get banned?
fierce elm
no
fallen solar
Okay cool
dark topaz
Ngl, seeing 1M+ hits on overpower, ms and execute makes me happy
fickle forge
Yo what's good team @wheat jay @fierce elm
fierce elm
shut the fuck up lmao
fickle forge
Don't talk to me insect
wheat jay
shut your bitch ass up lol
fierce elm
there I am
fierce elm
Kargish is the best arms warrior in here
you should read his icyveins guide
yo what gear do I grab @fickle forge
fickle forge
yo what gear do I grab <@278157108791476224>
Follow Mag'a guide
fierce elm
If any lurkers here have any questions you should DM Kargish
fierce elm
wdym
low ridge
Just some run skullsplitter and prioritze bleeds but I dont see it rn w slayer. Playing around the MS/Excute procs work well
I guess I would just need to pic their brain about it
low ridge
true
fierce elm
because its early season and nothing matters
low ridge
true
fickle forge
Just some run skullsplitter and prioritze bleeds but I dont see it rn w slayer. ...
Think skullsplitter is a dps increase in general
Hit it with TR and bleeds can actually be felt
static knoll
Just some run skullsplitter and prioritze bleeds but I dont see it rn w slayer. ...
Prob depends on the lobby no?
small grove
What can I do against Frost mages? Or is the answer just "die"?
low ridge
Probably Im still really new to the build experimentation so its pretty overwhelming when trying to push something no one cares about rn
pure hornet
What would you pick ? Undead or Tauren?
fickle forge
Orc
low ridge
Im belf rn lol
wheat jay
belf war is the best
so is mine
looks best in plate sets
unlike a chonky brick orc
looking like its squished
thick reef
GNOOOOOME
fierce elm
belf war are for irl twinks
wheat jay
weak
ok for real tho
go to auction house
type gleeful
look for kultiran
you're welcome
fickle forge
Afro spent all his gold on min maxing his week 1 gear that he can't play in because his team is gone
fierce elm
Yeah, min max
you mean craft my rings that will last for like 4 weeks
Buy an enchant for my weapon that I will keep the entire season
REAL MIN MAXXING
fickle forge
I'm going on holidays for 4 weeks btw
fierce elm
yeah suck my nuts
near inlet
How is critic/versa arms?
fierce elm
ass
narrow compass
looks best in plate sets
Female Orc has entered the chat.
verbal tangle
Female Orc has entered the chat.
That's a funny way to say Female Human
narrow compass
Too bulky for a female
Its 2024. I pretend shes a guy.
fallen solar
WHERE AM I
I should be up there somewhere on hunter
fierce elm
yeah but we have about 0 amount of stats to throw around now
fallen solar
More damage it is
fallen solar
Arms can Zug zug just as good as fury
elfin surge
arms is dead they killed my boy
balmy gust
Where do you get Algari gear to upgrade to 636 with heraldry? Do you have to buy from AH?
balmy gust
You craft the greens too?
fierce elm
If you want the 539 or 526 gear you craft it in the artisan crafting thing
wheat jay
arms is dead they killed my boy
soon
balmy gust
Thanks so you craft greens then craft the purple with the green and mats?
fierce elm
No you craft one piece
you dont craft the green then craft the purple
you craft the purple from the start
with the mats+heraldries
balmy gust
Do you need one of the crafting scrolls and the mats?
But thank you been trying to figure it out and I’m starting to understand.
fierce elm
But thank you been trying to figure it out and I’m starting to understand.
It's a really convoluted system
What are you trying to craft
fierce elm
just hit 1600 and didnt get my heraldries
thats not for heraldries
dumb american
heraldries are from quest
the mark goes nto your mailbox
worthy fern
where do you get the heraldries
balmy gust
What do you suggest? Weapon or 2 pieces of gear and wait for quest weapons
fierce elm
Random drop quest
worthy fern
no
fierce elm
What do you suggest? Weapon or 2 pieces of gear and wait for quest weapons
weapon tbh
worthy fern
theres no way lol
worthy fern
i have gotten it at 1600 with both rogues
fierce elm
rolled lmao
worthy fern
its gotta be a win amount then
narrow compass
YOU CAN'T PRETEND
This is true. I realized I'll be hardstuck duelist forever. That's my reality.
fierce elm
What do you suggest? Weapon or 2 pieces of gear and wait for quest weapons
Say you are crafting weapon, you need 10 Forged Gladiators Heraldry, 8 charged alloy, 3 core alloys, then you need a missive with mastery/vers and then embellishment
this is how it looks
wheat jay
This is true. I realized I'll be hardstuck duelist forever. That's my reality.
wrong
that's not pretending
afro is pretending to not be a fat fuck
you're just not there yet
fierce elm
You can buy the cheapest Charged Alloy, core alloy, missive and the embellishment you want, ranks on those does nothing
put in 10 of these
put in the mats, the missive and embellishment
then tip 500-1000 gold
wait for someone to craft
worthy fern
I think i got fucked becuase someone left my last shuffle
so it didnt count as a win
someone is saying 4 wins on wowhead commetns
heavy tendon
Wait. The mats do nothing? Thank god. I was not looking forward to spending however much tied3 mats are
fierce elm
the mats does nothing
thick reef
bing babaroomzoom babaroomfry
fierce elm
so just buy the r1 ones
balmy gust
put in 10 of these
Do you need the recipe or when you put the mats in does it know what your trying to craft?
fierce elm
you go to this person
what you are doing is placing an order for someone else to craft
thats why you tip
narrow compass
so just buy the r1 ones
Correct. Unless you plan on doing some PVE with the sword...since it's actually decent until you get something from Heroic Raid
fierce elm
then Algari greatsword
Missive, mats and embellishment you can buy on auction house
balmy gust
Ahh.. hell yea thanks man! I appreciate you taking time out of your day to help me 🙂
fierce elm
It aint no problem
clear pine
Is fury still unquestionable better than arms? I dont like that they have different stat prio
clear pine
Okay 2x 2hand it is!
plucky hill
For fury, whats best stat prios?
low cobalt
i went crit haste for arms 😂
cuz dopamine
but instead I plan to blame teammates and blizzard for lack of performance
plucky hill
im seeing Mast>Haste crit=0 lol
fierce elm
yeah
elfin surge
im seeing Mast>Haste crit=0 lol
yup
fierce elm
because thats the prio
static knoll
If you play fury you’re a furry sorry2say
worthy fern
i cant help a 0-6 rsham
that doenst press purge once or lets me sit dispellable traps
oh sorry 1 purge
I beat him on purges with escape artist
crimson onyx
I saw there was actually someone playing arms in the top 3v3 ladder, like 2nd highest ranked warrior i think?
But yeah, that does maybe not say to much anyway
elfin surge
I saw there was actually someone playing arms in the top 3v3 ladder, like 2nd hi...
i dont think so...
prime solar
Hold it down void elf.
crimson onyx
What do you suggest? Weapon or 2 pieces of gear and wait for quest weapons
About this, the discussion yesterday was that it long term is better to go 2 pieces of gear but short term (3 weeks) is better with weapon. So, if you go gear, what are the embellishments to go for?
low cobalt
arms is secret korean sleeper op
crimson onyx
3rd highest warrior EU in 3v3 from what i can see?
quaint escarp
Are we crafting the weapon with Mast/Vers as well?
elfin surge
3rd highest warrior EU in 3v3 from what i can see?
yeah looks like hes qn arms
also looks like hes quite the gamer only holding a 52% win rate
balmy gust
About this, the discussion yesterday was that it long term is better to go 2 pie...
The 2 hand with crit will need to be replaced eventually tho right?
crimson onyx
Yeah 🙂
elfin surge
give the ladder 2 weeks to let people queue then we can see how specs are doing
rn its just whoever can q the most
crimson onyx
@elfin surge what is your take on embellishments when weapon is replaced/ppl not going for algari wep?
Or is Algari wep actually BiS later also?
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> what is your take on embellishments when weapon is replace...
not replacing my weapon i dont think
elfin surge
the quest gives 2 weapons one with mastery (bis) and one with crit (literally useless)
elfin surge
anyway im prob the worst to ask about gearing cuz im not a nerd im just gaming
low cobalt
collosus arms is not little
static knoll
Is the cleave on sweeping strike random? Like if I’m in a melee blender and a udk has all his ghouls n shit out, am I going to hit both players, or will I likely cleave onto a pet?
rare jacinth
Quick overall PVP question on Bloody Tokens. I already collected 600 Bloody Tokens, and have a quest that rewards 1000 Bloody Tokens, but the weekly cap is 1350, does it mean if I return the 1000 Bloody Tokens Quest Reward, I will be able to go above the 1350?
elfin surge
plucky hill
no
low cobalt
you will not go over 1350
low cobalt
i just did this last night
rare jacinth
Ahh, is there a point in waiting before submitting this quest then for the cap to increase?
violet fossil
1000+600=1350 is y
plucky hill
if renown offered bloody tokens, then maybe could go over cap. like with the crests. But no way to go over cap with bloody tokens
static knoll
Ok now the sweeping strikes question!
rare jacinth
Does the Sparks of War: Isle of Dorn reset every week ?
fierce elm
its a new sparks quest every week
clear pine
what enchants we do as fury?
crimson onyx
Is there any guide that shows the final BiS item list for Season 1, or is it too early to say and therefore non created?
rare jacinth
its a new sparks quest every week
Does it cancel every week? Like does it reset on Tuesday and I lose the quest?
clear pine
Is there any guide that shows the final BiS item list for Season 1, or is it too...
way to early
crimson onyx
way to early
Ah ok, makes sense. Guess the best item/embellish is not yet defined either right? See ofc that most ppl go wep but actually some who goes Vers above 80% route also
urban skiff
Quick overall PVP question on Bloody Tokens. I already collected 600 Bloody Toke...
the quest is weekly, if you don't hand it in this week you won't have it next week, you'll be getting a new one. When you're capped you're capped and you can't cheat the system like that.
rare jacinth
the quest is weekly, if you don't hand it in this week you won't have it next we...
thank you so much
balmy gust
Ah ok, makes sense. Guess the best item/embellish is not yet defined either righ...
In that case should I still craft Weapon or gear? lol
clear pine
In that case should I still craft Weapon or gear? lol
Check pins
balmy gust
How long it take to get 1600 rating in Blitz
fierce elm
how long is a string
violet fossil
cause ur playing against 300 rating players
urban skiff
I'm at 10 losses in a row and still MMR is that high, entire system is weird
crimson onyx
I it not actually more people going the secondary stat over versa embellish on weapon in leaderboards?
Versa feels so much more "right" tho. Gotta love that dmg reduction
rancid granite
you losing so much they put you at the little kids table
urban skiff
you losing so much they put you at the little kids table
guess what happened
fallen solar
I’m 1800 almost on my hunter and everyone is more logical in that bracket thankfully
urban skiff
a few more losses and it will probably not be possible to climb back up, if I'm fighting both the lottery and have to deal with people who max out at 1200 rating
fallen solar
We had a guaranteed win last night because I had two other MMs and the enemy team had 4 mages
What are the odds
slate urchin
is fury still miles ahead of arms?
urban skiff
is fury still miles ahead of arms?
closing in
slate urchin
closing in
arms is closing in on fury?
urban skiff
opposing team has total of 14 wins across 8 members, ours has 12
urban skiff
arms is closing in on fury?
yes
urban skiff
You have a rogue
ooooh boy
I feel like as a shaman I'm entitled to hold LM
at least the queues are short?
trail gulch
how engineering feeling in bgs?
trail gulch
ah sadge
urban skiff
I'm a positive person
crimson onyx
Probably most asked question, but quality on the crafted wep dont matter right?
fierce elm
not for PvP
lavish quest
Don't worry bro, actually the most asked question is:
EY YO, anyone got a BUILD for X?
lavish quest
What does people actually pay in comission for weapon craft? 😄
Nothing. They should feel lucky to craft for me, one of the greats.
crimson onyx
I feel you
lavish quest
But for real, umm... idk, 500g to a few k depending on how you feel and how much you ballin
Pvp crafting quality don't matter so they don't have to try at all to craft it. No concentration. Don't need a ton of skill. Just know the recipe
lavish quest
A couple weeks ago I had someone paying ME 200g a peice to craft treatises for my professions
And he multicrafted one of the 6 so I got a free 7th.
clear pine
Problem is, public orders are capped. When there are 10k orders, why should they do your 100g one?
lucid walrus
that's their problem, not yours
lavish quest
Does anyone actually use public orders for any real crafting?
Nope.
So... null and void point
fierce elm
Yet 500g orders get crafted constantly
crimson onyx
Lol people trying to get 5k
clear pine
I have 4 orders open with 100g and 3000g. No one wants them
queen peak
Is arms back on top yet
queen peak
Alright I'll check again next week
urban skiff
Alright I'll check again next week
prepare for disappointment
also if you don't play this week you won't get free weapon with everybody else
queen peak
I will check every week until arms is back
fierce elm
also if you don't play this week you won't get free weapon with everybody else
90% of warriors have 100% crafted
lmao
fierce elm
I don't think it is
lucid walrus
did i screw myself for this week by going helm first with spark?
fierce elm
Sparks doesnt exist in PvP
urban skiff
in less than 3 weeks they'll be 3600 conquest behind everybody else
queen peak
Yeah I'll gear my warrior this weekend. Just invested like 60k into a staff for my mage and I'm too lazy to make gold
urban skiff
yes their weapons will have bis secondary stats but you could be stacking those with other crafts
fierce elm
Get a weapon that is like 14ilvls higher
and embellish
with bis stats
compared to crafting small pieces
urban skiff
the amount of stats you get is proportionate with the cost
fierce elm
Rings you already have bis stats on, so that leaves bracers+feet+hands+cloak
urban skiff
spend 10 heraldry on weapon = spending 5 heraldry twice
fierce elm
I mean yeah
urban skiff
rings you could have 2x mastery
fierce elm
So you have bracers+feet+hands+cloak
you should have two of those already due to bloody token
The only thing is rings
but idk the stat increase on secondaries from 526 to 539
because you already have 2x mast+vers rings
urban skiff
crafts also switch the secondary stat ratio
2x crafted weapons is going to cost a ton of vers
fierce elm
I mean its 50/50, its like 1500 non-scaled stats on it rn
thats fair
I think its worth, or I am just coping because I did it
urban skiff
I don't think getting a bit of crit is that big a deal. People forget crit isn't a dead stat. Going from 5% crit to 10% is literally doubling your chance to crit
that's going to be felt. I know we have recklessness and other crit chance mods
fierce elm
For me it is but I am also a dirty ret main
urban skiff
what's the embellishment that makes or drops a 1m dmg aoe bomb?
I want two of those on my shaman. If I'm going to lose a lot i want to go all out on being brain dead
worthy fern
It’s like 400k dmg I think
Not 1mil
Isn’t the whole crafting thing irrelevant because ultimately you will want to craft weapon anyway
For an embellishment and bis stats
crimson onyx
I see people putting 2nd embellish on feet, gloves or belt. According to pin go gloves. What you guys do?
worthy fern
The free weapon is nice but end game it’s not what you want
mint dagger
does fury get 2 weapons from the quest?
crimson onyx
Isn’t the whole crafting thing irrelevant because ultimately you will want to cr...
That is my understanding as well, at least from what people know why
urban skiff
does fury get 2 weapons from the quest?
yes
urban skiff
Isn’t the whole crafting thing irrelevant because ultimately you will want to cr...
the question is when you want to push rating and what you think happens balance wise
mint dagger
yes
dam i picked it up as arms and only getting one weapon, take it ive lost out on a second weapon
urban skiff
if you're like me and casually push the 1800 or 1950 for a few transmogs a bit into the season then holding weapon is imo the best choice, because you'll get 3600 conq advantage for a few weeks
fierce elm
I mean, the odds that you need a crafted weapon eventually is pretty big
regardless I don't think it matters past week 4
zinc tartan
nerf furry war
near inlet
Anyone playing critic/versa arms?
urban skiff
regardless I don't think it matters past week 4
I really should just start mapping the critical path for gearintg
it's like, literally my daytime job
fierce elm
neeeeeeeeeeerd
vagrant tangle
fucking people that join srbg with no intention of typing anything or even following basic commands
don't mind me im venting
vagrant tangle
i'm a bit of an expert at this point
is the loss streak over?
vagrant tangle
as you should
lucid walrus
dam i picked it up as arms and only getting one weapon, take it ive lost out on ...
switching loot spec might help
rancid granite
dam i picked it up as arms and only getting one weapon, take it ive lost out on ...
in fury spec you should see it by relogging or swapping zones etc
crimson onyx
Anyone knows the stat prio for Arms?
I see most going hard haste (as pinned kinda suggests on items). Saw someone high in ladder going hard mastery tho
worthy fern
@urban skiff yea I mean all I do is spam shuffle so it makes sense to be strong as possible rn
crimson holly
Did i type this macro wrong? Because its not working
I guess it’s cause of the gcd. If you put several abilities in your macro you have to spam it to get everything. Not the same with pots/racial/trinket cause they’re off gcd
hot nymph
Did i type this macro wrong? Because its not working
Should be reset=45
fallen solar
Wait so its an = instead of a -
wise cargo
Anyone knows the stat prio for Arms?
I see most going hard haste (as pinned kind...
Haste is certainly better up until a certain threshold, especially given cleave vs single target. As haste climbs mastery will gain edge on it, both aren't bad
hot nymph
Yea
fallen solar
okay cool
mint dagger
in fury spec you should see it by relogging or swapping zones etc
changing loot spec and zoneing didnt change the quest
crimson onyx
Haste is certainly better up until a certain threshold, especially given cleave ...
Thanks!
violet fossil
changing loot spec and zoneing didnt change the quest
reloj
fallen solar
Any other macros that i can use for Fury?
rancid granite
changing loot spec and zoneing didnt change the quest
legit happened to me and that / waiting a day swapped it back over when i checked with fury spec
wise cargo
Thanks!
if we could test pvp gear at 639 would be far easier to see when said threshold is but gear remains poop ilvl when simming stats
mint dagger
legit happened to me and that / waiting a day swapped it back over when i checke...
worked bro thanks
lucid walrus
be the reason more warlocks say this
vagrant tangle
prot
fierce elm
warm
fallen estuary
fury or warm
Crack
violet fossil
fury or warm
gay
vagrant trail
the quality of crafting mats for pvp euqip doenst matter right
stuck mulch
bruh mages are so fucking aids
urban skiff
Did i type this macro wrong? Because its not working
this macro is inferior
stuck mulch
the quality of crafting mats for pvp euqip doenst matter right
not unless u wanna use it in pve aswell
urban skiff
Did i type this macro wrong? Because its not working
#showtooltip Recklessness
/use [nostance:2] !Berserker Stance
/use Recklessness
/use avatar
/use 13
/use [known: Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar
/use [known: Champion's Spear, @player] Champion's Spear
/use [noknown: Thunderous Roar] Shockwave
final rose
Can you get any decent weps from delves?
urban skiff
decent for what
stuck mulch
Can you get any decent weps from delves?
610 if u luck out and get it from a map
final rose
610 if u luck out and get it from a map
ty
vocal root
fierce elm
random drop from epic bgs and rated pvp
fallen solar
#showtooltip Recklessness
/use [nostance:2] !Berserker Stance
/use Recklessness
...
What if i dont use champions spear?
That what the "Known" is for?
fallen solar
#showtooltip Recklessness
/use [nostance:2] !Berserker Stance
/use Recklessness
...
So you can either use /cast or /use?
spice hornet
sudden demise should be deleted from the game
heavy tendon
this macro is inferior
what is the superior macro?
violet fossil
sudden demise should be deleted from the game
that’s how I feel about your pfp
verbal tangle
what is the superior macro?
heavy tendon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/897055819475091456/1283902762664...
i didnt even notice that lmao
fury brain
spice hornet
can some1 help with a a macro plz, need something similar to this but for furry:
/cast mortal strike
/cast ignore pain
plz n ty
grand prism
Fury doesn't really have anything like ignore pain?
Maybe for furry you should add
/Catty
cyan stump
is it 1600 conquest cap per character or per warband?
white zodiac
character
cyan stump
ty
spice hornet
warrior kill target every single time
winged quest
vagrant trail
yeah looks really shitty, i wouldnt stress about it
rare oak
If Im going colossus, should I go crit/haste atm?
Its what I've heard thus far. Although I know slayer is supposed to be better rn.
small grove
@winged quest It's like a 3% increase in PvE - so I don't imagine it's anything super amazing in PvP either
fierce elm
You probs only want 2 piece
rare oak
Hey whats the weapon I need to get for the heraldry thing?
grand prism
instead of all these 'what do i need, what should i do, what should i buy's?
how bout are we havin fun
eh? >:D
rare oak
Im playing colossus arms which is pretty fun but It seems like you can't get weapon because you need 10 of those forged glad heraldry things atm.
Also confused because if we get a free wep eventually why would we get a crafted wep?
gentle depot
fierce elm
random drom from epic bgs and rated pvp
fierce elm
Also confused because if we get a free wep eventually why would we get a crafted...
Because we want the embellish and its a pretty huge upgrade for now
rare oak
89 random secondary stats that stack up?
But you're just going to replace the wep eventually aren't you?
rare oak
Wait so you're going to replace the conq weapon?
with the crafted piece, or the other way around?
rare oak
What's the point of the quest then..seems so backwards.
rare oak
Because the crafted piece has optimal stats and embellishment
Im assuming you can't craft the wep til next week?
fierce elm
You can craft it right now
rare oak
You can? I thought you needed 10 of the heraldry.
fierce elm
Rando quest from epic bgs/rated pvp gives 9, you buy one more for 175 conquest
verbal tangle
Yeah, that's how you get crafted pvp ones
rare oak
What's the difference in the tiers of quality for the embellish?
Oh recipe difficulty goes down okay nvm
barren bear
So I just finally realised, it's either I use Catalyst for
Option 1: PVE Hero Shoulders to be tiered or (6/6 = 626)
Option 2: PVP Champion Armor to be tiered (8/8 = 619)
worthy fern
The tier is pretty shit in pvp so Id go pve
Like every tier set for every class is like 5 percent dmg gain at most
barren bear
orly? i kinda honestly thought it would be pretty important, but then again im bad pvper lol
rare jacinth
What bloodstones are you guys going for ?
rare oak
Mfw I can't find anyone capable of making pvp gloves.
copper fox
Massive shortage of people crafting my pvp stuff lol
grand prism
Im playing colossus arms which is pretty fun but It seems like you can't get wea...
I mean I got 9 and I didn't buy any. I'm about to craft rings and neck about it
grand prism
Because we want the embellish and its a pretty huge upgrade for now
What embellishment I hardly know wtf that means fr
worthy fern
i know regular mats dont matter but does the embellishment tier matter?
grand prism
esoteric knowledge
worthy fern
@grand prism you can add extra abilities to your weapons
when you craft them
they are minor like a worse enchant
tawny fjord
looks like i scuffed myself on the bloody token gear and conq gear so far, didnt check the pins
bought shoulders and cloak with BT and chest with conq
rare oak
its all good I found someone to make the gloves!
grand prism
Mmm I see
Gonna skip the weapon crafting. Seems lame imo. gonna get weaons a anyways in a week or two
verbal tangle
Gonna skip the weapon crafting. Seems lame imo. gonna get weaons a anyways in a ...
Crafted weapon is bis
Cope
grand prism
This week or for the rest of the season lol
verbal tangle
Period
grand prism
Then why have pvp weapons at all
verbal tangle
Because you only get 2 Embellishments
stuck root
anyone else run into this bug?
grand prism
And you can't embellishment non crafted shit I guess
stuck root
i had 2 duskthread on my pve set but it stayed while i was in pvp set
verbal tangle
And you can't embellishment non crafted shit I guess
No shit
grand prism
That's why I was asking you absolute buffoon
If it isn't a severe competitive edge it sounds worthless to me
verbal tangle
If you would have googled it wowhead would have told you in maybe 30 secs
grand prism
I know it must be hard to understand preferring to have a conversation with people than googling something, consider your attitude lol
small grove
You guys ever have some 100 viewer Andy sick their viewers on you? Was a new experience for me
grand prism
I got mass reported a while ago for world pvping
i did get to fight savix and xaryu in skirms and no one was shitty about it when we won so thats cool
urban skiff
That what the "Known" is for?
known checks if you know the spell, i can't remember why i put it in there since you can't cast spells you don't have. It's the stance safety part of my macro that makes it superior. /use and /cast are interchangeable
steady token
anyone got some data on authority of depths enchant?
how much does it tick for and is the tick speed affected by haste?
grand prism
Maybe the pve nerds know
haughty jewel
idk but its prob the best for dmg
strange nimbus
are you warriors having the ssame issues im having dealing with all of the insane mobility ranged classes have right now?
spice hornet
yeah mm/frost/dev are nearly untouchable
restive cobalt
You guys ever have some 100 viewer Andy sick their viewers on you? Was a new ex...
U talking bout WeedTyler after u flamed him for not capping the flag on wsg?
strange nimbus
I cracked 1800 in SS on my assa rogue and now every lobby is frost mage, MM hunter, Devoker, maybe a lock
And it just feels so bad
Was wondering if all melee feel this way
spice hornet
I cracked 1800 in SS on my assa rogue and now every lobby is frost mage, MM hunt...
add in dk
distant wharf
guys, how is arms doing
balmy gust
hey i bought the Mastery/Versitility helmet and when i upgraded to teir the stats changed? is that normal?
south flume
hey i bought the Mastery/Versitility helmet and when i upgraded to teir the stat...
yes that is normal helmet and gloves give stats with vers
luckily you chose helmet
if you do chest etc you wont see any vers after you transform them
balmy gust
damn but im still trying to stack mastery right?
pure hornet
are you warriors having the ssame issues im having dealing with all of the insan...
Frost seems even worse than before. No ballance
south flume
damn but im still trying to stack mastery right?
id say yes
balmy gust
is the set bonus worth it if it changes your stats?
south flume
its up to you ive got two set from gloves and helmet atm but think ill just stick with that and go for vers after maybe at end of season ill try it out not really sure on that cause each to their own you coud run a sim on raidbots
balmy gust
cool thanks man
elfin sinew
are you warriors having the ssame issues im having dealing with all of the insan...
Frost mages laugh at me this xpack. Whenever a frost mage joins solo shuffle it's most likely a doomed game
gaunt notch
frost mages always laugh at warriors
elfin sinew
Generally speaking, it's not easy at all at this point. We will see how full conquest gear will perform.
It wasn't that bad end of last xpack, just my opinion though.
chances are I'm just a bad PVP player!
question - the piece for 1600 rating is a pve one right?
you can't make it pvp, can you?
fallow birch
I fucked up, I bought chest and gloves with my conquest
south flume
Generally speaking, it's not easy at all at this point. We will see how full con...
you can buy a pvp one or pve one and you could also transform the pve one into pvp on at the catalyst for higher ilvl if you wanted
fallow birch
I fucked up, I bought chest and gloves with my conquest
i bought gloves and chest with conq, I bought wrist with bloody token and I still have my 9 heradly
what can I do now?
south flume
poggies, thanks
goodluck you got it
elfin sinew
herardly quest popped for me after I finished 1 solo shuffle with victory
seems to be random
got my sword already
wraith sluice
in solo shuffle against 2 melees or a caster and a melee ... is it still better to stay pure ST build (without meatcleaver talent) or is it worth to swap ?
south flume
in solo shuffle against 2 melees or a caster and a melee ... is it still better ...
at least keep improved whirlwhind if you want but i think meath cleaver is good
distant wharf
what should i buy first with conquest ? 😄
wraith sluice
at least keep improved whirlwhind if you want but i think meath cleaver is good
kk thy
elfin sinew
what should i buy first with conquest ? 😄
Check pin for this channel
Magnusz have given a good guide early on
wraith sluice
at least keep improved whirlwhind if you want but i think meath cleaver is good
what talents should be exhanged for the 2 aoe talents ... starting at the linked "standard" build ?
south flume
what talents should be exhanged for the 2 aoe talents ... starting at the linked...
ashen juggernaut, fresh meat, massacre, sudden death all up to you whichever onces you like even blood craze or vicious contempt definitely have onslaught. I like going juggernaut and masscre so its not too many points
but imo meat cleaver goes hard 4 moves is just great so your not spamming whirlwind every two seconds losing dps if they grouped
sudden death paird with juggernaut is pretty fun as well once you get high stacks they come down hard
they= executes
distant wharf
what does magnuz mean with heraldry quest?
south flume
what does magnuz mean with heraldry quest?
you get 9 from quest if you buy one more for 175 cq you can craft a 2 hander
drowsy briar
do we prioritize haste of mastery now?
distant wharf
oh i got 9x [Forged Gladiator's Heraldry]
elfin sinew
yes, and now buy one and craft yourself a pvp weapon
but it's not super cheap, be mindful.
elfin sinew
do we prioritize haste of mastery now?
mastery as fury
distant wharf
hmm my charge hamstering macro not working 😮
barren bear
i mean, i think i paid 30-40k in mats and missive and the other thing
elfin sinew
yeah, plus the enchant which is 33k on my server
distant wharf
yes, and now buy one and craft yourself a pvp weapon
now i got 10. what wep shud i craft?
elder mulch
craft this and stop asking
distant wharf
craft this and stop asking
is that with "embelishment" ?
distant wharf
ah nerubian emb
distant wharf
i wonder if public order will work
elfin sinew
yes it will but commision is 5000 g
distant wharf
can i put 4k? 😛
marble bone
did it for 1k like 10 minute ago
distant wharf
can u cross realm it
marble bone
dno
distant wharf
or u did it in public?
marble bone
I mean, I just put it up public with 1k commision
distant wharf
ah
marble bone
whats convoluted?
fierce elm
the entire fucking crafting system
the fact that the heraldry quest is mentioned nowhere
the fact that the 1600 token is mentioned nowhere in game outside of the achievement tab
embellishments aren't explained in game either
Nor is the crafting system explained for people who use the orders
vagrant tangle
have to agree with Afro, it's a clusterfuck, you shouldn't need a written/video guide to gear up for PvP
the worst thing is if you fuck up before seeing said guide, there's no way to undo
echo bone
you guys are whiny sissys
in times where everything is datamined for you years before release
play the fucking game and find something out before watching streamer xy breaking it down for you
fierce elm
You want some irony here
fierce elm
Your literal first message is asking about how much haste arms should have in PvP
So r e l a x
fierce elm
There are going to be a lot of new people overall at every expansion launch and the convoluted crafting system does nothing to help
because there is zero in game tutorials about how it works
fierce elm
They are throwing in new players into this, expect them to know what the fuck bronze-silver-gold crafting materials are
echo bone
you can also do research, the season started 2 days ago
fierce elm
Ah yes, the typical answer "You should do some research about mechanics in game that aren't explained"
Put a new player on a new spec in full greens in PvP right now and watch them not hit 2k within 2 months
This channel literally exists as a source of information, this entire discord really
echo bone
everyone complains
here and on reddit
we made a guide for newbies in our guild
people can ask in global
i dont see a problem
fierce elm
Why would we have to make a guide for an in game system that should be explained to new players
Literally
echo bone
there is guides for everything everywhere in RPGs
fierce elm
You just get random stuff and it says something that means nothing
echo bone
and thats cool
fierce elm
"Cool I can craft"
"What the fuck is a missive"
"what the fuck is an embellishment"
"What the fuck is a heraldry"
fierce elm
"Oh neat its a random drop quest that awards 9 but I would have no clue"
"How do I get tier set"
echo bone
but you could craft pvp gear since the start of the addon
fierce elm
"How does rank in material work"
Literally none of these questions are answered in game
echo bone
its still accessible
fierce elm
How does that even make sense
You have to go to external guides for very basic in game information
Instead of you know, giving people a tutorial for the systems they introduce
echo bone
pvp is niche anyway, new players mostly try out pve content and learn basics of the game, most people participating in pvp have basic knowledge in the game and therefore are (most times) able to gather these kinds of informations
fierce elm
Most People do not have basic knowledge about the game when it comes to PvP wdym lmao
Even if they did this is already gatekeeping a very hard gamemode to get into
Especially when these systems are not explained in PvE either
echo bone
yeah but thats fine
fierce elm
So it's fine that there is zero in game information about how systems works and just basic tutorials for things?
echo bone
in my opinion atleast
fierce elm
and that they are forcing people to go external about every single question someone might have?
echo bone
yes
fierce elm
Thats wild
echo bone
😄
elder mulch
double frost mage so cancer id rather get hit by a plane 2 days ago
LF Max Rank Boots Crafter on Illidan
fickle forge
play the fucking game and find something out before watching streamer xy breakin...
This is the definitely the hottest take we've had here all year
I remember in Shadowlands when I didn't bother reading up on anything and just went "I'll buy some conq pieces and RNG a weapon in vault or something"
Fuck me man I did no damage for weeks because I didn't have my stat stick lmao
fickle forge
I recently got a friend into WoW who's completely mindblown on all the systems and how she practically needs something external to understand any of it
fierce elm
”friend”
fickle forge
: )
fierce elm
I mean I had to explain shit to you
fickle forge
Most People do *not* have basic knowledge about the game when it comes to PvP wd...
Also this shit man lmao, one thing is crafting systems not being explain, go explain to a new player what DRs are and how they must download a 3rd party addon service to even be able to see their timers
fossil mortar
Crafting system is explained in-game, you even had a quest we walk you through making an order. I am confused. It even explained the PvP item system, prodding you to craft one 
fossil mortar
Was DF the lads in front of the table, introducing the system
fossil mortar
you started this expansion?
fierce elm
Last expansion
fickle forge
<:Hydrate:690891013350228028> you started this expansion?
My friend did
You know, the person who actually needs the tutorial
fierce elm
<:Hydrate:690891013350228028> you started this expansion?
Its not made for us
Its made for beginners
which TWW is very unfriendly towards in these systems
elder mulch
Need max rank pvp crafter for plate boots on illidan
fossil mortar
Just make sure there isn't a tutorial there in TWW,æ. As you forgot there was one in DF. If there is none, just remind blizz about it, and I am sure they will implement the quest again
fickle forge
Still doesn't address the other unexplained systems though
fierce elm
Just make sure there isn't a tutorial there in TWW,æ. As you forgot there was on...
I had no quest for any crafting things, I had a gemming tutorial
But not crafting tutorial
It didnt even show me it existed lmao
fossil mortar
It was a drag to go through, but it was there. I will agree tho, if many seemingly didn't notice/do it; then it should have been clearer.
If there is no TWW tutorial, request one to be implemented on the forums
fierce elm
I mean new expansion and all that
But really there are so many systems that gatekeep new people
that its absurd
Like trying to introduce people to PvP is pretty fucking wild because nothing is explained
Especially when a lot of MMOs exist that explain their systems in great detail
fickle forge
'Yeah so this is called a DR bro, and there are many kinds of DRs, like 5 or so, none of them are clear which is which unti you get this addon here. What's that? Is Storm Bolt always on DR? Nah nah bro it's just nerfed in PvP, don't worry about that, it doesn't say so on the tooltip but it just is so'
fickle forge
Is it though
fickle forge
Is it reeeaaaally though
fickle forge
The last MMO I played would display different effects whether you hit a player or npc
Lmao
fierce elm
That’s every single mmo
Every MMO I have played has explained stuff
daring wasp
guys is it easier to reach 1,6k with solo bgs or arena?
fierce elm
Like literally having a compendium
fierce elm
guys is it easier to reach 1,6k with solo bgs or arena?
how long is a string
Either one, BG is more coin flip
copper fox
Every MMO I have played has explained stuff
Which
Because everquests didn’t, swtor didnt, eso doesn’t
fickle forge
SWTOR did though
copper fox
Didn’t explain the fine details
The basics yea
So does wow
This crafting system is so easy
fierce elm
Lost Ark, Swtor, ESO, GW2 iirc
fickle forge
Does WoW tell you its PvP modifiers?
fierce elm
They dont tell you the basica thiugh
fierce elm
There is absolutely NO information about PvP except how to queue
Like nothing about how brackets work, what the BGs are and whats the goal, what DRs are, how PvP gear works
copper fox
Idk man it’s easy even for beginners
fierce elm
Is it though?
copper fox
Yes
fierce elm
You introduce a beginner with 0 information rn to arena
copper fox
That’s me and I’m bis rn
fierce elm
He/she is not allowed to ask anything
copper fox
Never played wow
fierce elm
nor browse any sort of pages that talk about wow
nor any discords
Literally only has the information from in game
And you tell me that they can climb
fickle forge
Yeah guys just started WoW right now
copper fox
?
fickle forge
Never played WoW before guys
fickle forge
fierce elm
kek
copper fox
Honestly so much useless wining. As if using an addon or Google is hard.
You step in a gym does the gym wall tell you how to lift no
It’s a grow up and get good situation tbh
fierce elm
lmao
fickle forge
fickle forge
Does Dark Souls tell you how to play? Yeah exactly kiddo, grow up and git gud
fierce elm
Also not to be that guy, but you usually get some sort of introduction to the gym from the staff
optional of course
And every machine has an explanation on it
or a QR code how to use
fierce elm
lmao
Also the visual aid, going into a gym, see somebody do something, replicate that
Nor is the gym a good comparison because 99% of gym goers are clueless
copper fox
You get shown around a gym
Not taught how to lift lmfao
You guys are coping so hard it’s hilarious
fierce elm
I mean you literally do
Every gym I have gone to offers a free PT meeting
And again, every machine has instructions
quartz wagon
Not taught how to lift lmfao
This is an insane take from someone who probably goes to the gym and 'exercises' and 'socialises', rather than actually trains. I've competed in powerlifting, we all had coaches at a private gym because teaching yourself to lift optimally is stupid.
copper fox
Buddy I probably have some of the highest lifts in this discord
harsh schooner
This is hilarious
fierce elm
lmao
harsh schooner
Hahahha
quartz wagon
It's irrelevant, your takes are crazy. People being taught how to do something is normal.
fierce elm
This is an insane take from someone who probably goes to the gym and 'exercises'...
Lets not forget that most people who are ”strong” at a gym are more than happy to help new people
quartz wagon
It's got nothing to do with how good or strong you are. People being informed isn't bad.
harsh schooner
^
fierce elm
Id happily take time out of my day to help someone
harsh schooner
100%
quartz wagon
You're not proving how good you are by being sub-optimal and blundering through
you're just being weird
fierce elm
But the fact is that the gym provides a lot of information on how to get started
copper fox
I am stronger than you!!
Wait so he comes @ my abilities in the gym or actions and my statement is called out 😂
fierce elm
which WoW doesnt
quartz wagon
Wait so he comes @ my abilities in the gym or actions and my statement is called...
It's about what your attitude indicates to me.
copper fox
20 years ago
harsh schooner
sarcasm
fierce elm
kek
harsh schooner
You are essentially acting like a child
quartz wagon
Let people be taught how to do things, it is normal.
fierce elm
There are some wild takes in here recently
”Lets not provide information on how to play the game in game or through official means”
quartz wagon
If powerlifters who compete at Sheffield in IPF are paying hundreds a month for a coach because even they need to be taught things, I think people new to a game should be able to be given information so they can learn things.
copper fox
I’m a child telling people to grow up because they want things handed to them instead of typing a sentence in google
2024 is wild
harsh schooner
It’s not really that outlandish to suggest a game could give you relevant information to play that game effectively
Or at least have a vague idea what is going on
copper fox
There’s basic tips then there’s details that need to be discovered
It’s a mmo
That’s how it works
fierce elm
Even basic things arent explained
quartz wagon
What? What do you mean 'that's how it works'? The devs have complete control over the game, they can add information and tutorials if they chose to.
I don't know why some mmo players have this obsession with proving how good they are by learning to navigate these weird complicated systems, as if they've achieved something and everyone else has to go through the same trouble?
harsh schooner
Again, some weird superiority / elitism complex going on
quartz wagon
You learned to navigate menus, well done.
harsh schooner
Imo it’s better for everyone if the game is more accessible for newer players
Much more likely people stick around, particularly for pvp
fickle forge
Yo guys, I'm starting gym here tomorrow, what instagram influencer should I google to get started on the basics on how to lift?
rancid granite
Does Dark Souls tell you how to play? Yeah exactly kiddo, grow up and git gud
i mean, it kinda does though, by punching you in the face, thereby teaching you you need to git good
harsh schooner
Serious question? 😃
rancid granite
i dont know the context for that though
quartz wagon
Yo guys, I'm starting gym here tomorrow, what instagram influencer should I goog...
Don't look at anything or read anything or try to acquire any information before hand, just go and get trapped under a bar.
copper fox
Again, some weird superiority / elitism complex going on
I run a meme page on IG what else would you expect
fickle forge
Don't look at anything or read anything or try to acquire any information before...
Alright thanks man, it's just like Dark Souls in real life, this is what I have practiced for
worthy fern
This game could definitely do with like an arena tutorial with npcs
They definitely have the capability
Like a mock battle that pauses the game at points to point to and explain things on the svrrrn
Screen
vagrant tangle
^ that’s actually a good idea
fickle forge
Blizz have the AI npcs to make a tutorial
harsh schooner
Might make them realise how much important info isn’t available without addons too 😂
rancid granite
is it not the same with addons? just let the players do things and talk to eachother
MMORPG -> talk to eachother is not a bad thing
easy tutorial, done
copper fox
Delete this it isn’t in game
elfin surge
i dont listen to streamers they are all evil
scarlet barn
Yea. I agree with this streamer
thick reef
Yo guys, I'm starting gym here tomorrow, what instagram influencer should I goog...
You should watch Scooby1961, he’s my uncle and has fantastic tips!
copper fox
This is an insane take from someone who probably goes to the gym and 'exercises'...
Btw since you felt the need to make such a fun statement and call me out… what are your numbers
@ me socializing
rancid granite
did you just walk into a gym to snap a photo of weight and walk out
maybe you googled it
copper fox
Yea I asked someone to pick up 750lbs rq so I can take a pic
I actually googled it
Idk how I got this tbh
There were no tutorials
I had a white monster today @ 5am I woke up ready to be called out for no reason as I explain that we should be capable of figuring things out ourselves. Huge prediction ngl
rancid granite
a lot of people here don't even know how to use google so be proud of yourself for figuring out how to find an image from there
copper fox
🙏
scarlet barn
Thats such a weird thing lol
upper perch
Does anyone have Magnusz bloodcraze weakaura? Or something similar.
fickle forge
Naaaaah bro's ego got shattered
fierce elm
lmao
This is some fragile shit
Gonna drop a pic of some weights because someone thinks that providing information in accessible ways is good
I feel bad for anyone new reading this ngl
upper perch
stop typing then so someone can see and answer my question
fierce elm
Does anyone have Magnusz bloodcraze weakaura? Or something similar.
It probably exists on wagio
upper perch
it doesnt
upper perch
orly, ill suss it. thanks mate
fierce elm
THE PINS
zenith marlin
ah yes 30 min solo shuffle/bg queues again as expected
man atleast let us do the bg without healers on each side
upper perch
Uh, check magnus discord
Tyvm, that sorted it.
copper fox
Ah yes my ego is fragile when I’m the one who was shit talked / called out 😂
I just state facts
fierce elm
lmao
this screams fragile
Besides, you can die on this hill, that's a non issue for anyone
copper fox
Oh I apologize I didn’t realize you’re incapable of not only using Google but understanding sarcasm
You must be new
static knoll
lol
fickle forge
static knoll
Bro do u even lift?!
fickle forge
Oh I apologize I didn’t realize you’re incapable of not only using Google but un...
Yeah bro maybe you could help me out, what kind of search engine should I use to find my favourite instagram influencer for getting started on lifting?
elfin sinew
Stop that pointless topic lol. It's been going on for hours