pvp

[worthy fern]

@lavish quest I mean it was already free if you take pvp seriously

This just makes it attainable for pve andies

[urban skiff]

RBGs would be infinitely more fun if the community wasn't inbred to death

[lavish quest]

I think you underestimate the amount of people who could barely get 1800

[urban skiff]

neither do pvp

I was on the backup roster for a weird guild when they were playing alts in shadowlands. Was fun but the level of abuse i saw in chat amongst friends was untolerable

Apparently they liked my shotcalling enough to call me back

what is the optimal time to join s1 Blitz? To avoid a streak of bad luck getting you stuck in the low ELO hell?

[rancid granite]

stuck in low elo hell is a myth lol

[urban skiff]

Not in blitz

I haven't encountered it personally but I can easily see hitting a spot where winning or losing is largely a gamble and not something consistent

[violet fossil]

average player could get 1800

[rancid granite]

i mean it's a % of everything

[violet fossil]

couldn’t*

[rancid granite]

some games auto win some games auto loss, some games you are the reason for win or loss

[balmy scroll]

should i be macro'ing Avatar and Reck together or keeping them seperate for pvp?

[urban skiff]

good

[urban skiff]

sure

tell us how it goes

we kinda dumb in here, the solution to most problems is try for yourself and give us the answers

[balmy scroll]

hahahaha sound sgood

[violet fossil]

Couldn’t*

[urban skiff]

ok, not good 😦

[urban skiff]

I'm half joking, but really. Right now nothing is set in stone and things can change rapidly. We rely on people willing to experiment and report their findings to find a better way

[balmy scroll]

np. appreciate the help

[rancid granite]

avatar breaks roots so

👀

[urban skiff]

i love that part

but i use rallying cry as a root breaker as well so

@fickle forge what wine does a fury drink?

[balmy scroll]

gnome life, roots dont bother me

[urban skiff]

be prot

Fury is top
arms is bottom
prot is dungeon master

Don't @ me

[fierce elm]

piss water

[urban skiff]

piss is tasty but not alchoholic

[rancid granite]

[sharp oar]

is arms really that bad, or is it just cuz fury is overtuned

[rancid granite]

it's not really that bad

[tribal wedge]

Arms is okay tier, Fury is just broken

[urban skiff]

arms is fine

fury isn't over really tuned, it just looks good because of how it pads the meters

[wheat jay]

It is overtuned

You don't pad meters, pad is a dmg that doesnt matter, dmg on players does matter, dmg on pets doesn't

[urban skiff]

dmg that doesn't require big healing is padding

healers can cruise control low damage all day long with no consequences. That type of damage is still padding, albeit maybe half a level above hitting pets

[fierce elm]

ARMS SUCKS

JUMP SHIP

[urban skiff]

play fury or prot

superior specs to boring old arms

arms is like getting married to the first person you like

fury is getting married to all the people

[sharp oar]

arms if you're a monogomy enjoyer

[boreal veldt]

[cinder thorn]

what u noobs talking about arms being bad, I still like it more than fury

[fierce elm]

ITS BAD

F-TIER

[cinder thorn]

sorry, disagree

I think its just as good

[fierce elm]

yeah thats just wrong

Arms is solidly mid pack

which is fine

[boreal veldt]

with arms wide open I'll cruise to 2.1k

a tale as old as time

[prime solar]

Looks like the word got out

[cinder thorn]

sorry Afro I disagree, Colossus build is shit, but Arms Slayer is ok

[cinder thorn]

we been having mage spam for a while in bgs its not new, they been pretty strong for a while

for us, forever

[fierce elm]

Ok literally means MIDDLE OF THE PACK

[urban skiff]

arms if you love yourself

[boreal veldt]

arms if youre handsome and jacked
fury if youre jacked and handsome
prot if you are jacked, handsome, and miss glad stance

[rancid granite]

arms if your piece is so big you need two hands for it

[boreal veldt]

[fair bough]

Hey, so the slaughterhouse PvP talent (Fury) lasts 20 seconds from the first application, and then when the first application runs out it drops all stacks of the MS effect. Is that... intended?

[boreal veldt]

Yes

Having Slaughterhouse's max ms% up with permanent refreshable uptime would be broken

[fair bough]

Mkay, wording was ambiguous on the talent. made me think the individual stacks would drop off on their own rather than all stacks going away even if they were applied .1 seconds before it fell off

[fierce elm]

Wording is amibiguous on like half the talents so you are totally correct in being cnfused

[worthy fern]

Thematically collossus is sick as fuck

Demolish is shit though

Convoke 2.0 but worse

[violet fossil]

I’d have to disagree with you, arms is decent

[fierce elm]

DECENT

IS THE SAME AS OK

What the fuck am I going INSANE here

[violet fossil]

💀

[wheat jay]

Bruh, no

[fierce elm]

"Yeah guys is ok not bad not good but I have to disagree with middle of the pack" lmao

I hate all of you

[violet fossil]

lmao

[fair bough]

D:

[boreal veldt]

It's "induce a mental break in @fierce elm " week

we're just celebrating

[wheat jay]

Didnt we have that week with someone else before?

Rovicus?

[fierce elm]

it's constant

[boreal veldt]

just a rotating cast of characters

[rancid granite]

is that what the tat is about

mental break -> oh ill get a giant tat

[violet fossil]

pretty much

woman moment

[fickle forge]

Blood of their enemies

[wicked bison]

this is so true

whats the slayer arms build im trying col and demo smash is not a smash its a tickle

[violet fossil]

So arms is not the best but also not the worst?

@fierce elm

[vale mango]

i aint play pvp too much

best gearing guide?

auction house?

[fierce elm]

Farm honor

buy honor set

[vale mango]

kk

[lavish quest]

Unfortunately, yes blizz hates us

[rancid granite]

-play the game

[cinder thorn]

omg 2v2 is cancer how do people play it

I miss the 5v5 arena that was fun

[grand prism]

God damnit I was in twos with arns on my team, I kill the lock while the feral unloads on me, I manage to stay alive long enough only to look over at the other warrior as he puts on a fuckin shield to 1v1 the druid. He died miserably

Shields confirmed to be dumber than I could ever have imagined

[grand prism]

I honestly enjoy it even for a loss. It's good practice to learn other classes goes and defensives

[grand prism]

Can ah the crafted stuff if you want but after a few bgs you'll feel like it wasted gold

[grand prism]

Idk if it was fixed or intended but slaughterhouse and wound poison/Ms have weird interactions that make slaughterhouse useless. Not sure how the demon hunter heal reduction or necrotic wound interacts with it tho

[fierce elm]

its not fixed

You have to tell people to not put up heal reduction

or run other talents

or just wait

[grand prism]

I'm guessing necrotic wound is the best caveat to slaughterhouse if the heal absorb math isn't as dumb as it probably is

[fierce elm]

Necrotic wound and healing reduction stacks

[grand prism]

I just run slaughterhouse anyway cause I don't expect a random rogue or warrior to be able to keep their heal reduction up but I've only made it to 1900 in solo so higher ratings I can probably have faith in them

Has necrotic wound been back for a while or a new return. I played dk in bfa and really enjoyed necrotic strike

This next season is gonna be my 2.2k tho I can feel it in my big swords fr

[fierce elm]

It was introduced in 9.1

so a while

2nd patch of SL I believe

[grand prism]

Oh, I thought it was removed for a bit. Good to know. I did switch to Frost for Shadowlands, might be why I didn't see it

Or I'm blind lmao

[fierce elm]

b l i n d

[verbal tangle]

@fallen estuary you on Dawnbringer right?

[fallen estuary]

ye

[verbal tangle]

kek

what are the odds we get same BG

[grand prism]

Daaaaaaam I might have to look at old recordings I really didn't think necrotic strike was around back then. For shame tsun

[near inlet]

Are there anyone tried arms without bleed skills?

[fierce elm]

yeah no

because that sounds ass

[vale mango]

noted thanks

@grand prism how much do u think it would cost to get a full AH gear setup? like 200k?

[fierce elm]

I mean

its just a waste of gold

[wise parcel]

how do we beat unholy DK

[fierce elm]

like flat out

waste of gold

[vale mango]

even if i only got like 463 ilvl

[fierce elm]

yes

[fallen estuary]

i fucking hate it when people treat me like that in bgs

[fierce elm]

just step into BGs and get carried

Is comp stomp still up

then run comp stomp

[verbal tangle]

@fallen estuary I can't wait for rated bgs to not have to deal with that shit

[fallen estuary]

you saw that buh right

[verbal tangle]

ye

[fierce elm]

1v1 you dont

ever

[fallen estuary]

they were swarming me like a celeb

when you pointed me out

[verbal tangle]

people are just shitters bro

[fallen estuary]

i did like 20x more dps than everyone

and i had thunderfury on LMFAO

[verbal tangle]

like actual Thunderfury?

[wise parcel]

ok so what do i do

[fallen estuary]

yea

been running with it

[fierce elm]

you run

[wise parcel]

what

[fallen estuary]

check my dps log buh youd be amazed

[fierce elm]

what do you mean what

You aint gonna beat a DK 1v1

[wise parcel]

just run away the whole arena?

im a warior

[fierce elm]

Yeah but do you have a healer

or not

[wise parcel]

no

[fierce elm]

I specifically said 1v1 my brother

[wise parcel]

destro lock

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-orgrimmar-walking-warcraft-gif-16112512

[fierce elm]

yeah, then you just lose unless you can get into a 2v1 situation

[wise parcel]

i am this

how can i run

[fierce elm]

I mean you cant

in arena

[fair bough]

Based

[fierce elm]

you just accept the L

[wise parcel]

do i go for his healer?

[verbal tangle]

bro wtf are those thunderfury procs

[fierce elm]

How does he have a healer

in 2v2

but you dont have a healer

[wise parcel]

idk it's skirmish

[fierce elm]

that is literally impossible in skirmish

[wise parcel]

so i go for the other guy?

[verbal tangle]

actually fucking scuffed

[wise parcel]

just avoid unholy dk at all costs?

[sharp meteor]

No, it isn't.

[fierce elm]

It is literally impossible to be healer+dps in 2v2 skirmish queue

[sharp meteor]

His healer didn't join and enemy dps didn't join.

[fierce elm]

that is why I specifically stated

2v2

and specifically asked 2v2

[verbal tangle]

mans gets a thunderfury proc and its basically a free cast

actually tarded

[fierce elm]

I mean if he has a healer you aint gonna win regardless

if its dps vs dps you just blow your cooldowns on one target and hope you win

[wise parcel]

so Just never go for the dk?

[fierce elm]

You are overthinking this

just full send on the first target you can connect to

[wise parcel]

ok ty

[fallen estuary]

im just actually really good

[sharp meteor]

Wha

DK has no way to stop your dam aside chains and walking

[fierce elm]

dont confuse him

He needs to think less

not more

[wise parcel]

Afro told me i can never beat DK

and i should hide

[fierce elm]

IN A 1v1

IN OPEN WORLD

OR BGS

[wise parcel]

so in a 2v2 arena if we both have healers ,what do i do?

[fierce elm]

You hit the DK into the ground

because there aint no way you are getting to their healer

[sharp meteor]

whose their healer

whose your healer

what's positioning look like

[wise parcel]

idk i am new

and healer is whoever skirmish gives me

I've never PVPd on warrior before

[sharp meteor]

in general u hit w/e u can reach

[fierce elm]

So the DK

because aint no DK letting you get close to their healer if they have 1/5th of a brain

[wise parcel]

ok

i can do this to DK

https://tenor.com/view/wrestling-wwe-fight-gif-4121154

[mortal birch]

back when the game wasn't woke

[fierce elm]

what does that even mean

[mortal birch]

means the game's got a story so soy only disney adults think its cool

[fierce elm]

lmao

r/asmongold subscriber

[sharp meteor]

Trying too hard, lad.

[mortal birch]

I'm not wrong lol

[fierce elm]

You never know with these kind of things

if its just random bait

or if they genuinely believe it

[mortal birch]

compare D&D to WoW way more badass

FF14 is more badass than this game lol

[fierce elm]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[sharp meteor]

Am I fitting in yet fellow teenagers

[mortal birch]

of course someone with a vulpera pfp is telling me this

[sharp meteor]

That's me. 😁

[fierce elm]

do not engage

this is gonna turn into a one hour rant above how Garrosh didn't do anything wrong

[sharp meteor]

I'm bored of clubbing seals in skirms so this guy will have to do.

[fierce elm]

and that if he was still the leader of the horde these furry fucks wouldn't be part of it

lmao

[mortal birch]

wouldnt say that lol

[dense herald]

He didnt tho

[fierce elm]

Or he calls the game woke again because it has plotline and stories that don't fall in line with whatever thing he is trying to bait everyone into lmao

[fierce elm]

SHUT UP

Can they buff ret so I can enjoy the game real quick

can they release content so I have stuff to do because I refuse to alt

[mortal birch]

the side quests are mostly fine but the main story is the lamest shit

[grand prism]

Depends on the server or if you have a crafter friend it's ultimately not worth it imo @marble crystal

[mortal birch]

look at what they did to chadgar

[dense herald]

I think by woke he means the game isnt masculine anymore

[mortal birch]

more than that imo

[dense herald]

Or have masculine chars

[grand prism]

So what ur saying is that we all prefer big muscly men doing stuff rather than the very obvious romantic subplot between alleria and xalatath

Idk man

I do miss Varian. Andy needs to step it up soon

[mortal birch]

lil too late for Anduin

[dense herald]

Varian was bis

[mortal birch]

the only time Anduin was cool was during his boss fight

which was not even him lol

[grand prism]

I didn't play that patch is that the raid u fight sylvanis

[mortal birch]

no Sepulcher

He was possesed by Arthas

[grand prism]

Word I'll run thru it to see it. I'm in anduins camp fr the man needs a w

[mortal birch]

dude was gooning instead of being king

[fierce elm]

He wants burly hairy men fighting it out

This is kind of SUS

[mortal birch]

Anduin looked like a total coomer during the sword cinematic

[mortal birch]

so Jojo's bizarre adventure is sus?

[violet fossil]

@fallen estuary that alt ending tho

[fierce elm]

what are these zoomer words

[fallen estuary]

oh you actually got all the marker pces?

[violet fossil]

NAH I just watched it lmfao

I didn’t have time to game for a min

[fallen estuary]

yea they linked DS 2 to the first game

[violet fossil]

Do you think that’s more canon to ds2

Ah

[fallen estuary]

also hint you can find the audiolog of the starting call made to nicole from ds2 in the isumura btw

[violet fossil]

Man idk cause Issac doesn’t remember what happened exactly

I found it my first play through

[fallen estuary]

it is canon

the movie made it canon

[violet fossil]

The movie?

[fallen estuary]

he was found fucking crazy in space by earthgov

[violet fossil]

Which one?

[mortal birch]

Isaac kept building giant space dildos

[violet fossil]

ohhhhhh

I didn’t know he was being crazy

[fallen estuary]

its the poorly animated artist comp movie

[violet fossil]

I thought he just blacked out

[fallen estuary]

the ending of it

[dense herald]

Isaac

[violet fossil]

Oh that shit movie

[dense herald]

Who?

[violet fossil]

I was gonna watch it but the animation is horrid

[dense herald]

I thought for a second the binding of isaac

[fallen estuary]

DAWG LMFAOOO

[dense herald]

Goated game

[fallen estuary]

i dont think EA cares about their movies anymore

the whole movies up on utube

[violet fossil]

It’s bad

[mortal birch]

the first dead space movie was good

[violet fossil]

Yeah downfall was

[fallen estuary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBIL265le6U&ab_channel=R.D.M

[violet fossil]

There’s another that’s fucking dog

[fallen estuary]

the very end

[violet fossil]

OH NOOOOO

[fallen estuary]

aftermath was made to link DS 1 to 2 but they had to bring in like 12 different animators from different countries to animate it

and its just so fucking bad watching but lore implications are big

[violet fossil]

Lmfao

[mortal birch]

just watched Terminator Zero recently that shit was amazing

[violet fossil]

Fuck I gotta watch it

[grand prism]

Thats what I'm sayin

[violet fossil]

Where John Connor

Where Sarah Connor

*in Arnold’s voice

It was cool though

[mortal birch]

I dont miss the Connors after T3 and Salvation lol

[violet fossil]

Lmao

T3 was alright the one liner saved it I think

💀

https://tenor.com/view/the-terminator-you-are-terminated-youre-fired-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-22848847

[mortal birch]

u dont need big sweaty men to have a good story look at Arcane but u need big sweaty men to bring back this games dead fanbase

[violet fossil]

I’m tired of the poorly written females

[mortal birch]

ya the last good one was Aszhara

[wise parcel]

How do we beat evoker?

[mortal birch]

the games got like 100 elf girlbosses

[orchid oriole]

For the PVP gear, should I be going for the Haste, Crit or Mastery pieces?

Stat priority is Haste > Crit > Mastery, yeah?

[cinder thorn]

1v1 its hard

like mag

mage

their mobility and damage is crazy so

u need a healer

when is the fucking new season starting

I wanna get rated games

bored of BG stomps

[grand prism]

I didn't see arcane but I'll check it out

[copper fox]

Literally the opposite

[sharp meteor]

crit not ideal

pacing too slow hp pools too high crit too nerfed

[rancid granite]

bahjeera was recommending crit 1st haste 2nd for arms

been trying it in bg seems ok

[rose spoke]

Idk about crit ever being taken or stacked in the current pvp model

[mortal birch]

Keldorn

[cinder thorn]

Tbh I think all this constant arguing about which stat is better is trash

They're all good, just have a good balance

[cinder thorn]

You are welcome to the order of the radiant heart anytime little brother

[orchid oriole]

Mostly asking stat priority for the PVP gear. There's multiple pieces for each slot, so which should I be buying? ie. Go for Haste/Vers piece over Mastery/Vers piece. Planning on playing Fury spec.

[copper fox]

Max mastery

Like I said. The opposite of what you typed

Mastery, fill the rest with haste

[cinder thorn]

The good players you see on YouTube stomping people aren't doing it because they have a certain % in a certain stat

It's because they know what they're doing how to do damage on their class and when to trade cooldowns

Couple that with some good team mates they been playing for years with so they know how they think without even communicating and it looks great on screen

Same person with he worst and least recommended stat distribution will still stomp

It really isn't something people should focus on

[copper fox]

Uh

Yea but

Go mastery

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-gif-22205159

I'm gonna go crit

Hands over threatening note

"meet me outside stormwind"

[crystal laurel]

how do you move honor from 1 char to another?

[cinder thorn]

Click transfer on character screen

[crystal laurel]

ah

[wicked bison]

what stats for arms pvp

[grand prism]

Isnt crit mathematically nerfed to be not ideal in pvp

Where the engineers at

[hexed ether]

mw one shotting in pvp lol

[rugged temple]

warrior damage seems SUPER low in BGs compared to other classes

[worthy fern]

LOL

Like every class got paragraphs of changes or at least real changes

[urban skiff]

What, you want them to make change to perfection?

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-1945843

weeeeeeeee

Enh looking scary

turbo back on the menu

[fossil mortar]

Well, if worst comes to worst, I am sure they revert the warrior nerfs

Surely

[urban skiff]

warrior didn't get nerfed

[boreal veldt]

What wep mog do we use with new t2 update

This is important to dps

[urban skiff]

fyralath + shadowmourne

or sulfuras

or GM greatsword if you're alliance

[boreal veldt]

gm sword or gw axe

but the pixels

i'm actually kinda salty there are no graphic updates to marshal/warlord gear

[spice hornet]

@sharp meteor u gonna scoope up a mog like this for 9750 valorstones for ur Fox?

sorry im an ugly ass gnome

[sharp meteor]

Ye, I got one of those then like three of the wizard ones 😁

[spice hornet]

res crystal but nice

[lucid walrus]

gems off quartermasters make em free. just a shame you can only get like 10 of them per account

[urban skiff]

the warlord gear is ugly sin so unless they're willing to take very wild artistic liberties I say let them rot in low pixel hell

BUT. If they did it, it would maybe finally mean that evokers, dhs, dks, monks would get a cosmetic reward from RBGs

Guys i have a day off. Which side is most sweatiest in the day hours? Horde or alliance?

[crystal laurel]

Any war changes?

[crystal laurel]

That's it ? Lol

[urban skiff]

take note all these changes are playstyle related

not balance

what could we possibly want changed to talents?

[undone sequoia]

hi there, whats the best trinkets for pvp please ?

[urban skiff]

How demure are you?

[undone sequoia]

demure ?

[cinder sluice]

Did they forget warrior for the 20th anniversary?

[urban skiff]

wdym

[urban skiff]

can someone tell me how warrior just spellreflected 14 times?

[hot solstice]

He reflected 2 casts

[urban skiff]

no he cast it twice and had 14 damage instances

meaning he reflected more than one

[hot solstice]

14 hits cause it was dot

[tribal holly]

Did he reflect a dot

[urban skiff]

I don't use dots

partner was a warrior so no reflects there either

I just completely melted when ascendance procced into spellreflect

idk, something weird happened

[tribal holly]

Oh thats why

Your ascendance proc + the ability all hit at the same tick and reflects all of them back before it gets consumed

[urban skiff]

eek

that's wild though

400k spellreflect, that's high value

[tribal holly]

Shouldve not hit yourself that hard :^)

[urban skiff]

truth

[fierce elm]

uhm excuse me what the fuck

[urban skiff]

yup

[fierce elm]

I cant tell if Ret won or not

[urban skiff]

there'ss nothing to win

[fierce elm]

the class tree seems absolutely fucking stupid good for PvP

[urban skiff]

the patch is just just all the stuff they didn't manage to cram into TWW release

[fierce elm]

there is absolutely something to win in Rets current state

[urban skiff]

look at it this way, warrior got all their toys for season start while ret has to wait before they can play with hpal

[fierce elm]

so we gained 21 talents

removed 10

lmao

what the fuck

[urban skiff]

what?

oh paladin?

[fierce elm]

yes

[tribal holly]

So s1 of tww pvp will be cursed?

[fierce elm]

this is the 0.5 patch

[tribal holly]

so still s1

[fierce elm]

yes

[urban skiff]

people who talk about cursed seasons will think any season is cursed

[fierce elm]

But not at launch

Man Paladin is just the main character rn

[tribal holly]

Have you played pvp in a season where ret is main character?

[fierce elm]

Judgment clearly the best set, full talent re-work into absurd stuff

lmao

like 70% of Dragonflight

[urban skiff]

does WotLK count?

[tribal holly]

I still have flashbacks to sl when i played pvp for vault

[urban skiff]

I try not to think about which classes are or aren't best. It doesn't help me enjoy the game to go "oh nooo a demon hunter AgAiN?!" whenever zoning into arena

[fierce elm]

so yeah

cant wait for Ret to be S-tier again

[urban skiff]

when ret is good, warrior is great

[tribal holly]

I mean it was just annoying to play against

[fierce elm]

hey whats up ret/warr

[urban skiff]

holy heck

we're gonna be chargin' so much

[fierce elm]

RET WARR BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

[urban skiff]

check the changes for enhancement

[tribal holly]

Ret/warr to top of ladder?wanna go?

[urban skiff]

it's gonna be turbo and ret/war

[fierce elm]

This is why warrior received 3 changes

they saw enhance/ret changes

[urban skiff]

nah, we received 3 changes because there's nothing to revamp. Warrior is in a very good spot

[fierce elm]

They should revamp the entire spec

[urban skiff]

Notice none of these changes are balance changes. They're playstyle changes that should have come with TWW release

[fierce elm]

yeah

This is what happens when you change the timelines I guess

[urban skiff]

and warrior is abssolutely in a great spot right now

not just balance wise

How come i can play cyberpunk with 140 FPS and raytracing but WoW shits the bed when I fly too fast

[tribal holly]

Because wow is old engine

The sheer layers of 🍝 cant be compared to the new games

[urban skiff]

because I didn't get the 7800x3d because I was hoping the 9800x3d would be like super better

: (

[vagrant tangle]

140fps with RT? damn

dlss qual?

[tribal holly]

Also more reliant on processor

[urban skiff]

DLSS is cheating

[vagrant tangle]

agreed

but question stands

7800x3d/4080 here don't think I can reach 140 native 1440p

with RT

[urban skiff]

I'm 38, my eyes already too old to catch quality issues

Idk why i bother turning graphics on

[vagrant tangle]

fair

[urban skiff]

DLSS all day every day

[vagrant tangle]

try out Path tracing as well

[urban skiff]

excited for the 24H2?

[vagrant tangle]

shit's even more insane

[vagrant tangle]

cannot bother with the insider build, gonna wait for full release and then probably jump ship to 11 after nearly a decade of 1

10*

but yeah overall pretty excited

[urban skiff]

I'm already on Win11 so I'm just excited for my free CPU upgrade

[vagrant tangle]

not looking forward to MS shoving AI stuff down my throat eventually

what pains me the most is re-downloading everything after the re-install

internet is slow af here

[urban skiff]

Ah, yeah I don't know that problem at all

[sweet solstice]

is this season also going to be aoe fiesta?

so i know if i should reroll DH from now

[fierce elm]

yeah reroll DH which is in an incredibly horrible place lmao

[sweet solstice]

so thats a no?

[fierce elm]

Its gonna be a lot of cleave and AoE

[urban skiff]

play what you like

[fierce elm]

because thats what they did going into TWW

[urban skiff]

not a single choice right now is permanent

Got run over by a fury prevoker ret in skirmish

so sweaty to play super meta specs in skirmish right now

[fierce elm]

I mean

they could be practicing for arena

lmao

just tryna keep their skills up

[urban skiff]

don't make it any less sweaty to be running trains on a poor little enhance

enh + ret like the worst partners imaginable

no ms and all the stuns

[sweet solstice]

not sure what to drop for ww talents

[urban skiff]

show us talents

[sweet solstice]

CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW78AAAAAAAAAAAaYMzAjx2YzYMzYDGMmBzYmZ22GzMzYbMzYGzYGWYmZGjBAAACzMLbjN2stZmGzMDTmNGG2A

[urban skiff]

do something like this instead

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/shaman/enhancement/stormbringer/DARQFVFFVVAVVAVBFEQEDEFQNUUVRVRUYQUWhQBBEFVVUBU

[sweet solstice]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAAANVUVFURFFRIlVQCUQEFVVUBB

im guessing juggernaut and wrath dont see much wiggle room

[cinder thorn]

who said? unless im against AOE whores im usually in the top dps at BGs

you cant compare yourself to mages, priests, locks etc they just dot and AOE the shit out of people

[urban skiff]

can't compare yourself to mages, priests, warlocks, moonkins, dks, shamans, evokers

basically half the roster we're below by nature of how we deal damage and where we want to be in the fights

one day I'll get a juicy crit on tempest

today's not the day though

[oblique cypress]

hi guys! which is the stat priority according to you for arms war in pvp?

i read about crit and haste on wowhead and versatility and haste=mastery on icy veins

im a little bit confused

[fickle forge]

Don't build crit

Versa prio, Haste till taste and rest mast

[fierce elm]

full crit

[fickle forge]

Ban this propaganda rat @elfin surge

[elfin surge]

stats wont change the spec from being B tier

#buffarms

[scarlet barn]

New season comming and demolize joined server again

Some things never change

[rancid granite]

full crit @fickle forge

arms crit>haste

biggest muscles get to establish the meta and bahjeera claims crit

[tight rain]

I don't understand why you guys say crit is prio, is still nerfed in PvP and now we have bigger pool health, crit would be good when you can kill someone in a window and pretty sure is not the case now

[rancid granite]

idk bahjeera talked about it in his arms guide

[tight rain]

Even with the synergy with crit I still dont see is good enough

[rancid granite]

prob multiple ways to play but he said he likes it atm.. crit synergy and demolish stacks

but who knows once the season gets rolling

[tight rain]

Is S1, DR stats is not a thing, I think Vers>Haste>mastery is better

Maybe if they unnerf a bit crit is viable

[fierce elm]

Sarcasm can be hard to see through text

[tight rain]

I don't get you

[rancid granite]

everyone is saying bahjeera is wrong about arms and they can bench more than him

[tight rain]

But don't think is a good idea to repeat something you don't understand just because you hear someone saying it, I didn't check what bahjeera say

[rancid granite]

it's a good start though

[blissful lagoon]

The care and feeding of warriors

[fierce elm]

lmao

Why not just repeat the most basic representation towards those asking basic ass questions

that they can find out real quick on their own

[tight rain]

Maybe I should since the point people is giving is "bahjeera said it"

[rancid granite]

I tried both Stat builds for arms and I am bad enough I notice zero change tbh lmao

[fierce elm]

Because Bajheera is the only notable warrior so far that has put out a guide

[rancid granite]

but we not even in season so

[fierce elm]

And he is probably gonna say the same things as everyone else

because it has been the same priority since fucking BfA

when in the end warrior is so feelcrafty anyways

"Oh yeah 17% haste totally feels better than 15% haste" type of nerds

[rancid granite]

lmao

reality is they were just smashing some newbies in pve gear so it felt better

that being said lol at the million changes to some classes then when it comes to warrior

we get an icon update on a talent Noone uses

[tight rain]

Don't think the icon change fix how people break spear

[elfin surge]

baj the goat

[fallen estuary]

Mud what are you doing on my youtube page im not even subbed to you wtf

[worthy fern]

Ok so dracythyr war will def be bis right

With double jump glide

[verbal tangle]

It's single jump glide

[glacial sparrow]

hi, a bit of a basic question; as for pvp weapons right now for fury war, should i buy hboth the 2h sword and 2h axe for mastery and haste? or do people just buy the 2 masteries?

[elfin surge]

thats fucked up

[glacial sparrow]

Thanks!:)

[worthy fern]

@verbal tangle https://x.com/wowhead/status/1831859849979949385?s=46&t=Ok8Sx0iBz5fVVFCFsrwbYw

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Twitter · Sep 6, 2024, 12:59 AM

Wrong

Also gliding can let you immune knocks and shit even if it is single

[verbal tangle]

Except the Dracthyr jump isn't a double jump like DHs though

What intern wrote that

[worthy fern]

Looks pretty doubly to me

You can jump, then jump again and glide

[weary haven]

its the exact same double jump and glide mechanic that DH has

it was a bit of a controversy when evoker was released for that reason

DH players felt slighted

now we all get it!

[verbal tangle]

Fucking kek

So scalies bis race then?

[weary haven]

if you wanna cheese knocks and fly around with your homies, yes

[verbal tangle]

I just watched that video, no it's not

DHs get two jumps before glide

Evokers/Dragons get one

[covert ledge]

has anyone had much success with arms, both slayer and coloss?

[fierce elm]

Yes in random BGs that serve no purpose for anything

[worthy fern]

Dh technically have like a triple jump I think

[verbal tangle]

Double + Glide

Glide pushes you forward

[wind ferry]

straight clobberrinngggg

fury is sooo much fun in bgs

[worthy fern]

Ok blizz is officially cooking

[elfin surge]

[wind ferry]

thats dope

[urban skiff]

full crit full send

real men crit

@fierce elm you're the ret right? Is this does this spark joy?

[fierce elm]

I mean they do nothing

because we dont have ret aura lmao

[urban skiff]

Huh

[fierce elm]

its goneso

[urban skiff]

according to skirmish, rets are wild and nobody can beat them

[fierce elm]

so they basically forgot to remove it lmao

which is also why they are reworking our entire class tree

[urban skiff]

biannual ret rework

ret the new spriest confirmed

[worthy fern]

3rd ret rework in how long?

[fierce elm]

no no

this is not ret rework

this is Class rework lmao

tbf our class tree had a fuckton of useless shit

now it seems pretty fucking wildly good in pvp

[urban skiff]

wait is biannual twice a year or once every two years?

[fierce elm]

We are going to eclipse every other class even more with utility now

and off-healing

[worthy fern]

Anyone else peep how sick dark ranger sounds

[fierce elm]

its crazy

[urban skiff]

gonna be nice

warrior rework when? i want utility

[worthy fern]

Shadow daggers, shadow ravens, shadow kill shot

[fierce elm]

There are some wild talents in there

such as the 18s of immunity that we can have now

or Lay on hands not being affected by healing reduction AND giving my target 100% bonus armor

Or Divine steed lowering major movement abilities of my allies

[urban skiff]

ffffuuuck yeah, charge charge charge

[fierce elm]

or yknow, just flat out giving everyone 10% of healing done on me to everyone lmao

Or yknow, if people hit into divine protection they are going to take a ton of damage

its pretty wild

or the 10% stun reduction

cant wait to see it tbh

[urban skiff]

I've lost count of how many have tried to world pvp my shaman, seemingly forgetting that all shamans have access to thunderstorm

Just let me dig through dirt to find my wax, guys

[dense herald]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-major-class-changes-and-more-346469?utm_source=discord-webhook

Why am i not suprised every class is getting changes except warrior

[fierce elm]

I mean warr is in a neat spot

[dense herald]

Like dk isnt

[fierce elm]

I mean

take the neat spot

or get a rework that might be worse

[rancid granite]

rogue changes have me debating switching up from warrior 😔

[fierce elm]

Rogue is probably the least happy spec rn lmao

[rancid granite]

less button bloat with SND and tea; 2 incredible annoying abilities - love it

[urban skiff]

what change do you want. These aren't balancing things, they're reworks. Warrior kit is in an extremely good spot right now

[rancid granite]

though i wish warrior and rogue would get graphic updates like dark ranger lol

[urban skiff]

Balance changes comes later

[lavish quest]

Rogue always crying when not S+ x3, who cares?

They just got their rework at the end of DF

[urban skiff]

rogue cry while killing me in the first half of a kidney shot using a one-shot macro

[dense herald]

Isnt arms trash rn,both viability and spec design

[fierce elm]

Their talent trees are fine for their vision

[rancid granite]

rogues always cry*

[lavish quest]

Yes. Arms sucks

[urban skiff]

that's a balance issue, not a rework thing

[fierce elm]

why are we assuming every rework is good lmao

when that is definitely not the case

[dense herald]

Ive heard the spec sucks

Not just dmg wise

But the way it plays

[lavish quest]

They took the fun out of arms and then forgot to put some fun back on

[dense herald]

I heard u have 0 rage as arms

[fierce elm]

If it was S-tier people wouldn't complain : )

[lavish quest]

Technically true because you just don't play it

[dense herald]

Guys its so over eviscirate got nerfed by 3%

[lavish quest]

[lavish quest]

Idk... it's still design wise (ignore numbers) lameee

[rancid granite]

tbf this is literally every WoW player who goes on forums/discord lmao

[fierce elm]

lmao "IS IT OVER"

"DEAD SPEC?"

[rancid granite]

it becomes their livejournal facebook page to let it all out

[lavish quest]

Why play spec when lame when spec could be not lame?

bIg BrAiN

[fierce elm]

Lets also not ignore that people who type in discord are a very vocal minority of players

[rancid granite]

yeah i was gonna say 'majority of players' but it's not

MOST players are too busy playing the game and having fun

[lavish quest]

And worse yet.... some of them are rets typing in the wrong discord

Lul

[fierce elm]

wtf : (

[rancid granite]

lolol

[fierce elm]

I wont play warrior because ret is bad

I REFUSE

[rancid granite]

well you're getting ret 2.0 soon

whole new class it looks like

[fierce elm]

tbf Arathi set

Judgment rework

we have to be the main characters

there aint no way

[rancid granite]

ok thrall is around too with anduin

so warriors should be main characters too

[lavish quest]

We can wear the arathi set too

Better I might add

[verbal tangle]

Sturm Brightblade

Yup, it's over warrior bros

Bro literally pulled a Dragonlance reference out of the fucking ether

[cinder thorn]

Anduins dad was a fury war noob

[fallen estuary]

Bros just to lyk they added the 2400 ashkandur to the elite vendor in valdrakken

[fallen estuary]

Brah i use my youtube for music and crime videos

[fierce elm]

the fuck is the 2400 ashkandur even

[wicked bison]

is the problem with arms right now just tuning, or is it mechanics. LIke if they buff MS base dam or something is it fixed

[fierce elm]

I mean

technically it has no problem

just because it isn't S-tier

[wicked bison]

i hit a dude with demo for 9k

i dont understand that

[rancid granite]

yeah and he obviously had daddy issues he's getting over still 😛

[fallen estuary]

The blue sword

[fierce elm]

I didn't have THAT

on the vendor

did you bamboozle me

[fallen estuary]

The weapon ensablemenbtb however you spell it

[fierce elm]

you bamboozled me

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-18059553370350307210

[glacial sparrow]

question regarding facing a ww monk as a fury warrior, do you guys have some general tactics hwo to deal with them in a 1v1?

[fallen estuary]

Stun fists and just rip them in half

[glacial sparrow]

haha

i have a tough time playing around ToK and ToD..

[elfin surge]

windwalker farms fury

[glacial sparrow]

😦

[urban skiff]

Plays the same as it always did. They aren't going to touch arms' playstyle

It's too popular

[urban skiff]

ww seems like they're in a really good spot right now vs melee

[urban skiff]

the wha tnow

[fierce elm]

cant believe I got baited man

[dense herald]

rage got changed in tww

[lavish quest]

You couldn't have known any better. You're just a ret

[dense herald]

is there no red asskandur

[urban skiff]

the gameplay is the exact same. It's just slower paced. That's a good thing, not bad. It means chunkier hits

[dense herald]

yea its fun waiting to get rage for execute

which will deal less dmg than ms

[urban skiff]

Faster hits means smaller hits. If that's the playstyle you want then fury is right there.

It doesn't make sense to have both specs play the same. And it definitely doesn't make sense that fury is the slow hitter when arms is advertised as the slow methodical warrior.

[rancid granite]

there's still like a month month and a half til 10.5

so we'll end up with hella changes like other classes too i bet

[cinder thorn]

Yeah waiting for 2 globals of auto attack before you can build up rage to do something is REAL FUN

[urban skiff]

that's how arms was always meant to be played though. Arms has literally always been advertised as slow, methodical, big hits

Again, fury is fast and right there, and fury has more rotational buttons

[cinder thorn]

So you want your swings to hit like a wet noodle only to then hit with an UDON noodle

[jovial gazelle]

Hi all, um, what stats for fury in pvp are prio ?

[urban skiff]

idk what udon is

[jovial gazelle]

Vers > haste > mastery > crit ?

[fierce elm]

no stats

go unarmored

[urban skiff]

haste to taste, mastery rest

[jovial gazelle]

what u mean taste?

[urban skiff]

I don't have any haste so fullstack mastery in all available slots and haste in the rest. It works

[jovial gazelle]

huh okay

[urban skiff]

Literally whatever feels good for you. Nothing you're doing right now is permanent, this is the exact best time to test what works for you and what doesn't

[jovial gazelle]

mastery i guess deals more dps

haste idk press buttons more 😄

[urban skiff]

Also I'd stack vers in sockets and enchants up to 30%

[jovial gazelle]

i guess any stat is good till 30%

then can consider doing something else

[urban skiff]

mastery means bigger hits. haste means higher uptime on slaughterhouse and more usage of high hit spells

[jovial gazelle]

hm ok

gona try maybe vers mastery then

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm rate my newest meme

[jovial gazelle]

lol

[fierce elm]

lmao what the fuck

[urban skiff]

arms lovers are gross

[fair bough]

Imagine tracking your auto attack timer

[urban skiff]

Imagine tracking your globals

fury go brrrrrrr

[dense herald]

i just got rooted

i wish i had lvld my gnoem now

[urban skiff]

never would have happened to a shaman

If you hate roots, join the dark side

obligatory daily warband pic

aug prot enh fury

[deep epoch]

So i am new to retail. Been a classic Andy warrior for a few expansions. I'm not a fan of the blizzard nameplates as I'm colour blind and can't tell the difference between my teams plates and my opponents. Does anyone have a really good plater recommendation?

[hexed ether]

real talk if everyone did a 1v1 duel in this discord, who would be the last warrior standing?

[urban skiff]

Does it have to be plater? I'm using an addon called BetterBlizzPlates that I think is absolutely superior.

If you are colourblind, doesn't the setting for that alleviate default plates?

my plates look like this

[deep epoch]

No, does not have to be plater, that is just what I know.

[deep epoch]

Not a big fan of colourblind mode as it doesn't seem to help me. I will try that addon though! Thanks

[lucid walrus]

arcana

[fierce elm]

thats an old ass meme

[lucid walrus]

i paused for a sec thinking about how many we have in here who remember that one

[fierce elm]

not a lot

[sweet solstice]

what do you drop for WW talents?

juggernaut + wrath?

[fallow birch]

is the pinned message up to date?

is fury still on top?

[elfin surge]

yes

[fallow birch]

thanks!!

[hot solstice]

what if its fury not in team with Petkick?

[elfin surge]

lord pk

[clear glacier]

Freinds, for arms warr, stat priority?
haste/mastery or like bajhera crit/haste 😄

and slayer or colossus

[hot solstice]

crit for screenshots and haste for real arena

but honestly go mastery so if u get dissapointed in arms u can go fury anytime

[clear glacier]

alright, tnx 😄

[hearty vault]

hello! 0 changes warrior 11.0.5? when blizzard nerfs our dmg we will be useless

[fierce elm]

oh my god 0 changes warrior 11.0.5

[rancid granite]

relax

https://tenor.com/view/breathe-in-breathe-out-floyd-jackson-house-of-payne-inhale-exhale-breathing-exercise-gif-23964154

there's like 2 months til 11.0.5

[hearty vault]

yes, I should have put this after my words "XD"

[rancid granite]

don't go dooming months ahead of time

[hearty vault]

do u think we will get something utility/mechanics new? :]

I check other classes, who got more defensives and movility

[rancid granite]

hella changes to everyone else and another month or so im sure all other classes will see some good changes

[hearty vault]

I hope so

hope...

[fierce elm]

Also again

Warrior is in a perfectly good place when it comes to talent trees

A lot of these specs just had a ton of ass talents

Do not wish for a rework when warrior is good right now lmao

[rancid granite]

"but i want it to be better"

"MORE"

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-paws-highkitten-mdmacat-cat-gif-11423964

[urban skiff]

just had the weirdest skirmish

vs 2 UHDKs, I did zero damage

[hearty vault]

not really, we are top cause of dmg. All classes are getting more defensives/movility/utility in group. We got 0 new things last years

[urban skiff]

abilities went on cooldown, animations went out.

DK hp wasn't moving at all. Weird shit

[hearty vault]

all classes has their inmunity moment, less warrior

[urban skiff]

after match i see I had like 3m damage done despite popping cooldowns and having 100% uptime

[hearty vault]

but yes, it seems we are crying for crying when we are "tier S". But I think that our high DPS will keep... 2 weeks

[rancid granite]

doomers

[hearty vault]

I wanna have hope, but... U can see pve warrior in m+. No one inv them when his dps is not the most op, 0 utility and bad defensives. Tell me what we will do in new Random RBG without a healer in our back

[fierce elm]

This is some doomposting for an S-tier spec rn

You wont be held back in BGB because you are a warrior my guy

[frank pine]

It's not doom posting. It's a realistic take on what we've seen happen to our class over the course of 20 years

that's just experience my man

[fierce elm]

So literally every spec that is sometimes good and sometimes bad because thats how balancing works?

[frank pine]

We are considered S-tier right now entirely due to our damage. Our kit is shit compared to most other classes

that's the issue

[hearty vault]

1º u are right, we are S-Tier pre season cause of our dps (no new skills). Dps is the first thing that blizzard change.
2º All classes, without healer, could kill us if we got same dps

[fierce elm]

Yes, and you should enjoy that

when it does happen

like what the fuck are you guyso n about lmao

[hearty vault]

Exactly +1000

[fierce elm]

"My spec is only s-tier because it deals more damage than everyone else" no way

[frank pine]

I'd rather have less damage and a better kit

[fierce elm]

You can be the most heavy utility spec in the world but if you aint got the damage you aint gonna perform

[frank pine]

why you think mage and rogue are good year after year my guy

[fierce elm]

You mean frost who is still crazy good right now because of the amazing damage they output?

Or sub right now because of the amazing damage they output?

[hearty vault]

Afro, dps will be solve when m+, arenas and raid start, Blizzard can nerf DPS in 3 days, while kits/defensives change so few times

[fierce elm]

Or assa when it was popular due to its cleave ability and damage?

[frank pine]

Or any rogue spec even when their damage is shit

[fierce elm]

Like christ my guys

[hearty vault]

All classes that u said got moew defensives

[proud breach]

is arms a good support for my friend Feral?

[frank pine]

but they still see high level play because their kit is amazing

[hearty vault]

exactly

[frank pine]

Afro, you trolling right now?

[fierce elm]

And now yall are doomposting but warrior has been relevant since DF s3 at minimum in all brackets

[frank pine]

like seriously what the fuck is wrong with you

[fierce elm]

lmao

[hearty vault]

warrior arms op dmg with spam bladestorm. Now you cant spam bladestorm

[worthy fern]

It’s not just the dmg it’s the dmg profile plus now one of the best Ms in game

Fury’s damage is instant

[fierce elm]

If you want to go even further back, considered S-tier in 3/4 seasons of SL

[worthy fern]

And aoe

[fierce elm]

Considered a S-tier spec in 2/4 seasons at minimum in BfA

Was the best for S3 in DF

[frank pine]

Damn, that's why it saw so much AWC play in dflight huh?

[worthy fern]

S tier for entirety of slands

Awc = ladder

Of course

[fierce elm]

AWC is not ladder

at all

Nor is popularity a good assessment of how good a spec is

[worthy fern]

Ret war has been one of the best comps in the game for like 8 seasons straight

[frank pine]

Agreed there

[hearty vault]

u are talking about dps, dps will be nerf. Blizzard always is focus work on DPS.

[fierce elm]

Because ret right now has the highest amount of players

but its a solid mid-tier spec

[worthy fern]

@hearty vault Fury was just nerfed

I doubt it gets touched again for a while

[fierce elm]

Arms is not gonna receive a single nerf

Fury might get a DPS nerf

[worthy fern]

Arms will get buffed as per usual 2-3 weeks into season

[fierce elm]

But yall acting like warrior hasnt been relevant in PvP for the past 20 years lmao

[hearty vault]

and season didnt start. He will got more dps nerf in pvp

[frank pine]

I never said it hasn't been relevant

[worthy fern]

Maybe, won’t kill the spec at all

[frank pine]

Nor was I trying to imply that

[fierce elm]

Lets ignore the fact that its a turbo tanky spec on it's own, everything arms runs with brings the utility arms needs

If we go by arena and not BGB because BGB is a shitshow regardless

Looking at warriors top comps in 3v3 warrior is there to just deal a fuckton of damage and apply a MS effect

[frank pine]

what I've been saying boils down to this:

Our viability being based soley on our damage is a shit state to be in

[fierce elm]

But that is the way every spec works

[worthy fern]

Start of dragon flight arms was dog shit and fury was op as fuck, nerfs and buffs changed that few weeks in, same thing will happen this xpac i bet

[fierce elm]

If you just do utility, and no damage, you wont get picked

Source: every tier list ever

[worthy fern]

Yea also pvp is currently just world of damage

Utility is very secondary

[fierce elm]

Last season: those that dealt the most damage were the top specs

[hearty vault]

mate, all classes are getting new kits (defensives, movility, assist utility). Warrior have the same things, just passive dps talents or AOE.

[fierce elm]

This season: the same

[worthy fern]

Your fcking coping hard

War is good

[hearty vault]

you can be high dps, but 1 paladin healer with bop will hard counter u

[worthy fern]

And will stay good

Ok now I know your opinion isn’t valid

[fierce elm]

Yeah imagine facing hpala which is the worst healer right now lmao

and will continue being

[worthy fern]

If you think getting bop is hard counter

[fierce elm]

when there are 400 existing purges to BoP either way

[hearty vault]

did u see paladin changes in 11.0.5?

[worthy fern]

I made the healer use a healing cooldown = hard counter

[fierce elm]

I did see the paladin changes in 11.0.5

[frank pine]

The point isn't to have one or the other. I'd take reasonable damage and a better kit over high damage and no kit

[fierce elm]

And its required a lot

Because paladin overall is in a really shitty state

in both PvE and PvP

[hearty vault]

u are 100% right mate

[worthy fern]

@frank pine unfortunately the last two xpacs have been damage is king

[fierce elm]

But then don't play warrior?

Because warrior has never been a huge utility spec since like MoP lmao

[worthy fern]

Outside of like a few comps

Arms had good utility but it’s mostly meaningless in the face of more damage

[fierce elm]

Like, warrior has consistently not been a huge utility spec since MoP but still maintained relevance even in season where it didn't deal the most damage

Because they are so fucking tanky

[hearty vault]

And paladin and DK has never been huge movility or cleave (as pala)

[fierce elm]

Paladin has always had cleave wdym

so has DK

[worthy fern]

Like even duel is pointless because everyone jsut shits out damage constantly now

[fierce elm]

Paladin still doesnt have huge mobility even with the changes

[frank pine]

Brother, I'm not asking to be a utility spec. I don't want to be ret.
I would just like to see warrior's kit be modernized to keep up with the rest of the classes in the game

[hearty vault]

no? did u see new consacration talent?

[fierce elm]

I did

As a Paladin main I did

[hearty vault]

its op.

[fierce elm]

As a Paladin main I also know the spec

[worthy fern]

@frank pine if arms was bugged damage wise it would be a perfect pvp spec

[fierce elm]

and can tell you right now, that our mobility won't be good lmao

[worthy fern]

Oh they’d have to fix spell reflect

[vale mango]

Are there no pvp embellishments rn?

[worthy fern]

But that’s it

[fierce elm]

we don't craft until season starts

[hearty vault]

U dont need so much movility when u have passive range skills.

[fierce elm]

so no

So now you change it to another argument lmao

[hearty vault]

its new kits

[fierce elm]

This is doomposting 101

Yes

Which Paladin desperately needs in both PvE and PvP

Because its an underperforming class

These are changes we should have recieved before TWW launch

[worthy fern]

War has leap double Charge, two stuns, fear, spell reflect, intervene rally, aoe slow, sheild and immune breaks, aoe fear break, disarm, mortal strike, good defensive and self healing.

And I know I’m missing shit

[fierce elm]

Arguably the best defensive button in d-stance

[hearty vault]

paladin got new movility and cc (consacratrion) and more defensives in 11.0.5. Other classes too. Warrior got 0, and arms lose movility (avatar bladestorm)

[worthy fern]

Arms entire playstyle is outplaying the enemy team

For your team

But current state of game it needs good dmg too

[fierce elm]

also what consecration talent are you looking at

because all they did was move it into the class tree

it already exists

and surprise, its only ran in BGB lmao

[hearty vault]

@worthy fern same skill last years. self healing as arms? without a healer healing u full u are done. As fury = dampening bye bye

[fierce elm]

We got a 20% reduction in Divine steed cooldown, but it also lasts 40% less