pvp

[fierce elm]

I see the chad ret there refusing to reroll

[astral barn]

what rating will be required for 619 gear from pvp?

[fickle forge]

WoW players try not to be an AI sheep challenge (impossible)

[fierce elm]

You mean in PvE?

Probably nothing because there is no bracket on gear anymore because Vault is gone

[astral barn]

yeah in pve, and oh interesting

[fierce elm]

Yeah there should be no brackets for gear now

[sharp meteor]

no brackets for gear

and honor is like 626

[pure hornet]

What does bm stands for? Bad manner?

I am undead, cuze i like animations swing o fury, could not stand gnome. And i like tauren best but undead has some nice feeling to weapon attacks

Dunno what

[dense herald]

I mean i heard mage got nerfed so maybe orc will be better again?

[sharp meteor]

ya

eating somebody in arena just rude

[sharp meteor]

Haste + off global root break just

so goated

[dense herald]

Yea but orc better in blitz

Cuz people wont be able to cap u with 4s stun

Think about it

[sharp meteor]

if u sittin a base

on a warrior

its already

so over

any of the usual specs gonna cap on u anyways

[dense herald]

True

But kennie

Pls stop making me go gnome

I orc

I zug zug

[pure hornet]

is there a macrfo for stormbolt with i can use on selected target amd if i mouseover another to hit that???

[cinder thorn]

Yes put the mouse over statement before the current target and it will prioritise mouseover

[gray ruin]

hello sons of skyhold

@cinder thorn

son of skyhold

what do you think of my build CcEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7AgtZYmZmZmZ2mlllxAAAAgBTGzMDGzshZMmZgZGGGYGzAAAAAAAgZGGMALZGgBAAMzI0gBL

insane?

crazy?

wild?

[slender wedge]

does bajh have a pvp guide for TWW?

also its been a while since i pvped, should we cap honor for when season stars?

bought full honor gear so far

[gray ruin]

look up magnusz he's pretty good

[slender wedge]

oki tyty

[rancid granite]

yes youtube

[hot solstice]

haste gear on fury actualy feels realy good if u can afford much uptime. about 48% haste with frenzy enrage...yes, less damage on hit but those slayer strikes keep procking=much more executes

[pure hornet]

Guyz you think tauren is nicer than undead? I dont care bout gnominism, racials
Just feel, and skill execution

Execution

[urban skiff]

You could just search up bajheera on youtube to see

[fierce elm]

Tauren is neat

Just shit to mog tbh

and very limited

[lavish quest]

Yup

/cast [@mouseover] Strombolt
/cast Stormbolt

Whatever the proper syntax is anyways, I forget

But that's the idea

[pure hornet]

Ty

[hybrid bobcat]

which trinket should i buy if im human?

[fickle forge]

Need a pin that tells people to google before asking questions ngl ngl

[hybrid bobcat]

season didnt start so i have no rank 1 player to look

[fickle forge]

There's your rank 1
https://check-pvp.fr/us/Sargeras/Bajheera

[fierce elm]

The same ones as everyone else

[hybrid bobcat]

yes but as a human do u still buy the escape stun trinket?

[fickle forge]

Bro didn't even click the link he was given

[hybrid bobcat]

man.. I saw it
I was just making convo god damn

[fickle forge]

We strike convos differently then bro

[hybrid bobcat]

yeah.. made the sentence a bit bad

[fickle forge]

But to answer you

[fierce elm]

yes

you buy it

Kargish is aggressive dont mind him

[chilly pivot]

Any ideas What alt i can do, pref melee and simular to warriors

[twilit elm]

enh shaman the closest I'd say

[chilly pivot]

Its good in pvp ?

[twilit elm]

this season, I can't say for sure

[chilly pivot]

I want an strong fking class in pvp 😂

[twilit elm]

we all want that 😄

[hybrid bobcat]

Should be good but is super squishy

or at least was in DF.. havent played him yet

[cinder thorn]

Hey dude, I suggest having a look at MUDs pinned message for builds as a starting point

Some people disagree with him on certain talents but it's a good starting point

Otherwise I suggest you play your build and test it to get an idea rather than asking

Sometimes depending on playstyle people succeed and reach high ratings with unusual builds

[cinder thorn]

It doesn't matter what we think

You're the one who is going to be staring at it not us

Play what you like

Tauren has aoe stun, undead has charm and fear breaker

[cinder thorn]

Aggressive warriors who have pocket healer go for 2 dps trinkets

More careful ones will get the cc breaker trinket and a dps trinket

I get the cc breaker and the one with the orc in it that gives you extra hp

But I also play double dps when I know I have a good healer

[hybrid bobcat]

Thank you!
Felt a bit weird imo but it makes sense

[cinder thorn]

The human talent is 3mins I think, trinket is like 1.5mins or 2 can't remember

You can also chain them in a pinch for example use the trinket on a non stun then use the will to survive on a stun 1.5min later instead of waiting full 2min etc

Also will to survive is vs stun only whereas trinket is vs all

Not just shorter cd

[cinder thorn]

Monkey, druid, surv hunter, demon hunter, dk

[fierce elm]

no

[cinder thorn]

DK gets grip which is incredible in pvp but I can't stand the class

DH is massive pain in the ass for everyone in pvp but also can't stand the class

For me it's warrior or hunter not interested in anything else

[rancid granite]

rogue aint far off from warrior either

especially if you wanna roll outlaw

[gray ruin]

ty

[fickle forge]

It's cap bro, you want medallion always

Human racial is just to shave off 30 sec from your medallion, it's garbage to not play with it

[chilly pivot]

How about retri

[hybrid bobcat]

Retri is fun and easy
Seems good but lacks mobility but is a tank with divine shield + lay on hands

[wind pecan]

Doubt you’ll like DK coming from warr tbh. I mained DK and already benched it, just slow and boring. Fury is way more enjoyable. If you want a similar level of mobility/fun then it’s feral or monk.

[worthy fern]

Always need medallion to trinket disarms

[rancid granite]

more dps

human got the racial might as well use it

💪

[lavish quest]

Use medallion and human racial... then you have trinket and a stun break after on 90s...

[cinder thorn]

Ret uses mana, and they have to worry more about team mates so it's less similar to war than the others

Like you need to give blessings and stuff to team mates at certain points in the fight so something extra to watch than a warrior would

[wise parcel]

isnt Atrocity some big name warrior guy

[hot solstice]

talking about pandaria second wind:

wtf is this?

[fickle forge]

Mini spirit link

[urban skiff]

there's a big difference between using mana and worrying about their mana

[ruby temple]

Hold up, can Pandaren actually get food buffs in arenas/bgs? Or is epicurean just a dead racial

[chilly pivot]

how about ww monk then?

[lavish quest]

He never said they worry about mana

[urban skiff]

Didn't have to. either they worry about mana or mana is a dead resource and it's a meaningless distinction

[lavish quest]

I think warriors generally agree WW is the closest to warrior without being warrior

[lavish quest]

You must have healers that press buttons so you don't have to flash spam like I do

[chilly pivot]

what race is best for pvp on a ww monk then

[lavish quest]

No clue. I'm a warrior

My monk is an orc tho. Prob good choice

[urban skiff]

I get that enh and ret aren't the same, but i don't feel my mana at all on my shaman. I'm assuming ret is mostly the same

[lavish quest]

Isn't surge free when you maelstrom it?

[urban skiff]

sure

isn't heals free when you holy point it?

also we can't really maelstrom heals

[lavish quest]

That's a different heal

Flash of Light = Mana
Word of Glory = Holy Power (aka no phat dam)

[chilly pivot]

best dmg race for warriors then?

[lavish quest]

Races don't impact dmg too much. Orc gets blood fury, a lil cd. Gnomes gets root break (more uptime = more dmg) human gets extra secondary stats

Think generally gnomes is best in ranged meta. Orc best into melee cleaves

[pure hornet]

0.1 increase.

I just struggle with two races i like .. undead and tauren

[lavish quest]

Mud taught me men play orc

[pure hornet]

Undead has extreme dopamine aminations and weapon attacks specially for fury

Tauren is tauren no need explanation

[pure hornet]

Only inferiority complex men need to play big boys. Confident men play whatever

[lavish quest]

Tauren are the big boys tho...?

[pure hornet]

I like undead, tauren is nice for cliche and visceral natural feel, i think dwarf breathes warrior just as much
But i love undead, and tauren,

[rancid granite]

I want that sleek sexyboy elf body type for humans 😔

[dense herald]

Confident men play gnomes?

[rancid granite]

it seems like the opposite

thats why they need that "bis racial" ?

[dense herald]

Im gonna be blitz andy

I doubt ill get rank 1 ever i havent been playing the game since vanilla

[pure hornet]

They play whatever
Mostly i choose for feel and animation and i swear undead gives me free dopamine

[dense herald]

If i ever get close to r1 ill consider playing gnome

[lavish quest]

That's a lack of self respect

[urban skiff]

KT HUMAN

[pure hornet]

Yeah, then every bit counts

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294

No, getting r1 just because ur gnome is not r1

[hybrid bobcat]

Guys
Is this macro fine?
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene
/cast [harm] Charge
/cast Victory Rush
/cancelaura Bladestorm

[pure carbon]

Any 1 got a nice build? tried ssome build from icy and wowhead

but not a fan 😦

[hybrid bobcat]

there is some for fury and arms in the pinned

[pure carbon]

ty

[hybrid bobcat]

From what Ive heard from the guys. Never trust Icy for pvp

[rancid granite]

#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@Mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast Hamstring

[pure carbon]

Y I can see why xd

[rancid granite]

just replace hammy with victory rush if you wish i guess

[hybrid bobcat]

what does exists/ help/ nodead means?

or nvm ill search them on google

ty!

[rancid granite]

no clue lmao but it works

ally vs enemy stuff

[hybrid bobcat]

does it break anything if I do not have intervene talented?

[rancid granite]

prio to mouse target, if not closest target or something, too

it shouldnt

also i think with slayer you have to add

/cancelaura [noknown:444780]bladestorm

[elfin surge]

the only macro needed

[rancid granite]

i was looking for that

thanks

[hybrid bobcat]

Have that too! Very usefull

even thos mine is looking like this
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:386164]!Battle Stance;[known:386196]!Berserker Stance
But it should do the same

[urban skiff]

#showtooltip
/use [stance:2] !Defensive Stance
/use [spec:2,nostance:2] !Berserker Stance
/use [spec:1/3,nostance:2] !Battle Stance

this is superior

[rancid granite]

[pure hornet]

Guyz where you farm honor faster

Bg?

[sharp meteor]

just bg ya

[rancid granite]

compstomp op gear up while its out

[pure hornet]

Huh?

[sharp meteor]

Man

Why they gotta nerf my boy

[rancid granite]

go pvp tab click comp stomp brawl

[devout imp]

Compstomp is just bots?

[rancid granite]

yeah

buy flask of honor

farm compstomp

you'll be fully geared in a morning

[devout imp]

ight forsure, at first i thought i was shitting on people for a sec lol

Then i looked at the names

[rancid granite]

they can be tough lmao

[prime solar]

You're shitting on something some people in an office created so technically you are

[mint dagger]

any way to stop tab target from selecting pets/totems?

[worthy fern]

You can check tab target only players somewhere

In settings

[rancid granite]

hang on i gotchu

/run if GetCVar("nameplateShowFriends") == '1' then SetBinding("TAB","TARGETNEARESTENEMY");SetCVar("nameplateShowFriends", 0);else SetBinding("TAB","TARGETNEARESTENEMYPLAYER");SetCVar("nameplateShowFriends", 1) end

this swaps between target enemy and target enemy player

:)

i got tired of going into the keybindings to change it for when im pveing so i found this macro

[urban skiff]

i did the opposites

[dense herald]

you were literally losing in compstomp

[lavish quest]

The EU way

[pure hornet]

Do we have to craft? This season? Must i learn blacksmithing or jwcraft?

[fierce elm]

crafting orders

[scarlet barn]

you dont have to have any profession

Gold is the way

[rancid granite]

you dont have to do anything at all really

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-ass-the-simpsons-gif-6218286

[lavish quest]

Just convert to pve'r. Ez

[wheat jay]

Already did

Missing like 5 quests for loremaster

[stuck axle]

how to revert this?

[rancid granite]

click it again? it's just in keybindings -> targeting -> target nearest player, or target nearest enemy player

it just swaps between the two easier

[toxic river]

Is it worth to upgrade pvp gear for warmode pvp. How soon do we replace the gear.

[boreal veldt]

the second you get into pvp combat it scales to it's max pvp level

upgrading is strictly pve

[mental nest]

mastery is still higher prio for pvp yea?

fury wise

[toxic river]

I think mastery bis pve and pvp

[toxic river]

thx

[lavish quest]

Not exactly what I meant by pve but go off short king

[mental nest]

got it thx

[devout imp]

I cant put Shadowed Belt Clasp on my Aspirants Girdle.. did i buy the wrong waist enchant?

[mental nest]

thats for dragonflight might not work on tww gear

[devout imp]

oh ok yeah i cant put it on that explains it then

[mental nest]

general rule is if its not from the current xpac you cant use it on current gear

[wheat jay]

No other content is out yet

[lavish quest]

Heroics

[wheat jay]

Did plenty already haha

I finished 1st partt of the siesbarg mount grind too

2nd and 3rd ill do later xD

[lavish quest]

I'm about 1/4 done with venom. I got the bee farm mount. Have the shards bird. Got beledar spawn earlier

[wheat jay]

Venom is ass man

I tried to do in follower dungs but man its terrible xD

[lavish quest]

I mean... it's the same as chitin but less

[wheat jay]

I cba wirh other mounts either

I want this one because it looks good

[lavish quest]

I've only farmed it in the hyperspawn cave in dorn so I could get shards. Haven't farmed since I got the 10th shard

[wheat jay]

Chitin was fast in dungs

Very

Can I farm venom on the bee spawn?

[lavish quest]

Don't think so

Bees aren't spiders

[wheat jay]

Rip

[mellow geode]

couldnt find the answer in pins: do we want vers/mastery or vers/haste on pvp items for fury?

[devout grove]

Vers/mastery with haste to taste

[mellow geode]

gotcha

[cinder thorn]

Has anyone done the classic flight style unlock thing?

Does it take long or is it straightforward

[rancid granite]

just collect the glyphs like DF

grab an addon for it like handy notes or something

[real briar]

question do pvp scales to 626 in open world?

pvp item*

[spice hornet]

non-gnome warrior almost feels unplayable

almost

[copper fox]

Trollbest

[crystal laurel]

how much ilvl do i need for battleground?

[late atlas]

Anyone have an idea what the bis warrior comp will be, or better ones at that? For 3s

[simple rock]

if you wanna be competitive in shuffle yea

it's not unplayable in 3s w comms

but still not ideal

[urban skiff]

No, I thought I was in a compstomp and it turned out i had made my way into an actual bg

[urban skiff]

UH warr for now

[mellow geode]

is there a way to know where the unbound cache spawns?

[fiery kite]

is prot any fun in pvp or will i need more specialized knowledge/skill to get more out of it

[quick dagger]

About stats for both fury and arms seams similar acording to Icy veins. Can see crit is button stat, does that mean zero crit then or a few items with it?

[tribal wedge]

Yes, only when you attack a player

[wise parcel]

Can someone give me an ELI5 for warrior pvp? I come from playing destro lock and sub rogue

[fierce elm]

hit buttons

hit enemy

cc healers

win game

[wise parcel]

ty

[wise parcel]

Do I want the haste vers gear or hte vers/mast

[fierce elm]

You know

If you google, 'Bajheera level 80 pvp guide slayer fury' you can find out

[wise parcel]

omg ty

[pure hornet]

Do i remember bad
Or was the weekly reset tuesday night in dragonflight

It seems tww will be tuesday morning…

[fierce elm]

NA has tuesday morning at like early hours, EU has wednesday

[quick dagger]

You guys prefer on burst trinket over the equip version. New to pvp

[fierce elm]

random chance one

[deft thistle]

hi peeps - is there an arms pvp build which would benefit from a mastery heavy set? I'm just thinking of utilising 1 set for both arms / slayer fury.

[verbal tangle]

Step 1: Click Oppressor
Step 2: Shield Charge
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit

[fierce elm]

everything in arms does benefit form heavy mastery

[lean locust]

hello, what`s a good build for fury in pvp right now?

Talent build i mean

[tribal wedge]

Check the pin, mud did a good build

[lean locust]

Thanks friend

[fickle forge]

Hey guys how many mouse buttons do I need for TWW spear slayer arms

[undone sequoia]

where can I trade stuff for marks of honor please ?

[fierce elm]

what does that even MEAN

[undone sequoia]

I mean marks of honor for stuff sorry

[rancid granite]

the ones who say hi and thanks are fine it's the people who just ask question like it's Google that crack me up; then give no reply or thanks

[fierce elm]

wtf

[fierce elm]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Marks+of+honor+vendors here you go

It's all transmog

[undone sequoia]

thanks

[rancid granite]

see he said please and thanks he gets a pass

[fierce elm]

that is fair

[fickle forge]

Hey guys where's the MoP PvP vendor for shadow priest?

[tribal holly]

Pandaland

[fierce elm]

hey guys how do I create a prot warrior

hey guys how do I get a debit card for my wow sub

[tribal holly]

Dont listen to afro man is avoiding eye contact

[fierce elm]

hey guys how do I pay my bills

hey guys what to do if I am being kicked out in two days

should I buy the 12 month wow sub if I cant afford rent

[lavish quest]

Yes.
Rent is temporary. 12 month wow sub is for 12 months. Basically forever.

[fickle forge]

Hey guys how often should I shower as frost mage?

[tribal holly]

Trick question frost mages dont shower

But then again wow players in general dont shower

[toxic seal]

hey guys, for arms warrior is haste > mastery? I feel like there are a lot of deadzones in the rotation where i have no procs, MS/OP/slam on cooldown or just no rage

[fierce elm]

its haste to taste

and rest in mastery

[hushed seal]

Do as the robot commands

[cinder thorn]

It's traditionally performed poorly, a little better now but not ideal

You will get flamed here for playing it though

The main issue is that blizz make tanks queue as a dps instead of a healer so the matches last longer since there is heal, tank and half the dps

So if blizz fix that it will be fine

[fierce elm]

Prot warrior is arguably the worst pvp tank

[cinder thorn]

In arena people don't like it but in blitz it's cool

If you enjoy it though go for it

As afro said above, prot is not the ideal tank for pvp

Druid is probably best

[tribal holly]

Elaborate

Why is it the worst

[fierce elm]

Less disruption that the other tanks, less sruvivability against magic damage, less helpful things brought to the team

compared to ppal/blood/brew/guardian

Which all bring tools that are extremely useful for them to play their disruptive playstyle

Nothing comes close to Guardian/Vengeance in BGs unfortunarely

in arena Ppal/Guardian often rules with sometimes brew/blood being dummy annoying

[tribal holly]

Survivability against magic dam is a dead argument

And if by disruption do you mean hard cc?

[fierce elm]

Hard cc/soft cc/all kinds of disruption

For example, Blood DKs grip is disruptive as FUCK

Prot Pal silence is disruptive as fuck despite not being a CC

[tribal holly]

Yeah so 2 stuns 1 fear + perma root is not disruptive?

[fierce elm]

Not really in comprison to the reat

[cinder thorn]

perma root? there is dr on root I think

[fierce elm]

I didnt say it didnt do ANYTHING

I just said other tanks do it better

Blood DK has a ton more disruption and about the same survivability

[tribal holly]

Ppala/guardian sure

[fierce elm]

Prot pal has way better cooldowns for team

Guardian is just a menace overall

[tribal holly]

As for bdk/brew? I wouldnt go that far

[fierce elm]

Brew did bring a lot of damage compared to other tanks but that might have been changed

Vengeance I havent seen in Arena

[tribal holly]

Vengeance only does flag carry

In bgs

[fierce elm]

Yeah

But overall other tanks just do what prot does but better in some way

which is unfortunate

[tribal holly]

I dont think thats necessarily the case anymore

But still

Youd be playing a tank in arenas which is cringe

[wicked bison]

So atm fury>arms for pvp

Amd only gear is crafted with torkend or honor

[fickle forge]

Comparing tanks is pointless because they are all garbage F-tier by design

Only time you'd want a tank is for flag caping in Blitz or something, and then prot is garbage cause it flops to magic

Tanks used to bring some extra CC, but now dps specs have all the CC tank specs have as well

[fierce elm]

Kargish lil angry baby

[dense herald]

Prit war recieves 22% less magic damage with a talent

Defensive stance now reduces all dmg by 16% and theres talent to reduce magic dmg taken by a further 6%

[fickle forge]

Hey guys should I use a wireless or analog mouse for slayer arms?

[fickle forge]

Yeah and you'll still get insta nuked

[dense herald]

Reflect all spells for 30s talent

Or how much was it

Block all spells maybd

Idk what it was

Prob nerfed in pvp

[cinder thorn]

Block

I think Kargish needs a bit of therapy he's too angry all the time

He's taking the warrior role play too literally

[fierce elm]

he does need therapy

[elfin surge]

ya kargish is a nerd

[fierce elm]

oh my god shut up MUD

[fickle forge]

Yo guys should I exercise my anger IRL to perform better as warrior?

[fierce elm]

You should get a face tat tbh

[urban skiff]

Just exercise tbh

[woeful kestrel]

is there ever a reason to use rend instead of thunderclap?

besides thunderclap being on cd

[fickle forge]

I was almost baited into one at the last festival I was at

[fierce elm]

do it

[fierce elm]

not if you run that talent

[woeful kestrel]

okay ty!

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[fierce elm]

Life is wack and short might aswell get a face tattoo

[cinder thorn]

No, use thunderclap

For like 10 rage you get more damage and a slow

And if there's 1 more target its cheaper than 2 rends

Just thunderclap

[fickle forge]

I refuse

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-raise-you-to-be-weak-james-all-the-queens-men-s1e10-youre-not-born-to-be-weak-gif-26363123

[chilly pivot]

do i get gladiator if im at 2400 rating and win 40 games?

[lavish quest]

No

[fickle forge]

No

[chilly pivot]

who tell me this haha

[chilly pivot]

gladiator title is rank 1 or?

[fickle forge]

50 wins at 2400+ in 3s

[chilly pivot]

hm okey, i just find this

[fickle forge]

Yeah it doesn't say anything for glad in that table

But it's as I said

Forged Gladiator is rank 1, it's a bit misleading

[chilly pivot]

yeah okey 🙂 ty

[fierce elm]

Rank 10 pvp gear? lmao what is this list

also what the fuck ”start earning tww gear”

this list is some doo doo pants

[lavish quest]

Ye, you were just off on the number of wins :P

[quaint osprey]

This with Armor as Gladiator Reward wouldve been so insane

[lavish quest]

Agree to disagree

[night kraken]

what should i be stacking as fury some say as much haste as possible others say 10% haste dump rest into mastery

guide wise cant find a consitant guideline quite yet.

[fierce elm]

HASTE TO TASTE

dont stack haste

[night kraken]

ty

[fresh jacinth]

Do we know how many honors 1 set piece will be when the season starts?

[fierce elm]

What does this mean

What tier set we have?

[lavish quest]

Mole dropped now @wheat jay

[cinder thorn]

Dude

Honor set already available

[wide cave]

is there a different build for fury between bgs, and arena? or should we just use the arena builds in bgs?

[cinder thorn]

Yes mild differences for example the aoe stun has more value in bgs whereas talents that fall off when you switch targets are worse as an example

Also things like master and commander / team buffs are more powerful in bgs whereas in arena they fall off

Use that type of logic to work out what's best

[wide cave]

ok ty

[cinder thorn]

Guys, are they releasing a new set of honor gear better than current one in season 1? Or is this going to be the honor set for s1

[wide cave]

trying to macro hamstring into bloodthirst when it's on cd, and can't get it to work

[cinder thorn]

you have to use castsequence, they both have gcd so you cant cast both at same time

[wide cave]

gonna be honest not sure how one would go about doing that, I've only ever done simple macros

[cinder thorn]

#showtooltip
/castsequence Hamstring,Bloodthirst,Bloodthirst,Bloodthirst

the above for example should let you cast Hamstring then 3 bloodlusts then back to hamstring again

or you have to manually watch when the hamstring drops and use different buttons, u cant combine them

[wide cave]

ok ty,

[wheat jay]

Nice

I didnt rly have time to play today

Havent done siesbarg yet either

[lavish quest]

Working on a holiday, aka only one here, gaming at work

I did have to deal with a truck rollover though X.X

[chilly pivot]

how is working with pvp gear from conquest, is the elite gear just for transmog or is it better stats? and the Gladiator gear, did i need some rating req to buy it? new to retail sorry 😛

[ivory ice]

Conquest gear is better stats and pvp ilvl it usually takes multiple weeks to get due to conquest cap and the start of the season will mainly just be using honor gear

And conquest gear can be upgraded afaik

[fresh jacinth]

the gear mentioned (that can be upgraded to 619) in this article https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-get-guaranteed-socketed-item-on-heroic-week-of-season-1-346313#comments
is it available now or not?

[cinder thorn]

I cant remember the number go to Dorongal and find the pvp seller you will see it

im on an alt right now

[fresh jacinth]

I have the 626 (while in pvp stuff) gear but they can be upgraded to 580 for other activities

idk if there is a better pvp gear available atm

[cinder thorn]

no there is only 1 set available which is the honor set right now

[boreal veldt]

Nothing S1 orientated is available for purchase or viewing, only honor gear/crafted pvp gear

[cinder thorn]

@boreal veldt is the current honor gear the s1 honor gear or will the s1 honor gear be better than the current?

[boreal veldt]

it'll be the same

[covert ledge]

How’s slayer arms doing in pvp?

[cinder thorn]

thx

[fresh jacinth]

the gear mentioned in article must be conquest gear then, I suppose

[cinder thorn]

so there is no point to stack 15k honor before season starts like some people are doing

[chilly pivot]

its only 1 gear from conquest? and then u ugprade it from gladiator to elite?

[boreal veldt]

if honor doesn't reset at season start, and if boxes drop pvp crafting mats, 15k honor is 3 boxes

[boreal veldt]

any conquest gear is max ilvl in pvp, upgrading is pve only

[chilly pivot]

okey, but do i need buy the gladiator gear before elite?

[tawny fjord]

Trying to find a spec update for the PvP nerfs coming to warriors tomorrow, anyone got any links?

[boreal veldt]

there is only glad gear, explain wym

[tawny fjord]

Checked bahjeera already he hasn’t posted anything that I can see

[boreal veldt]

glad is the gear, elite is cosmetic

[chilly pivot]

oh okey 😄

[boreal veldt]

npnp, i understand the confusion lol

[covert ledge]

You guys know any streamer playing arms atm?

[chilly pivot]

and what rating do i need to be for buy gladiator gear?

[sharp meteor]

no rating reqs

since sl

[fierce elm]

No changes in build

or you know, they havent tested it to fogure out how impactful the nerf it to post a video yet

[boreal veldt]

only thing for sure is roar will still dwarf spear so that'll still be a lock

[fierce elm]

Because yknow, nothing is happening this reset that is relevant to pvp

so we have a week to test shit out

[boreal veldt]

although imagine if we go back to spear

DF S1 is back baybeee

[tawny fjord]

The odyn 20% damage nerf is what concerns me, it’s getting gutted lmao

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-cat-massage-just-relax-dont-worry-be-happy-gif-16563092

[lavish quest]

class

[fierce elm]

Sir this is the warrior discord

[lavish quest]

Says the ret

[fierce elm]

Whats the best hpala build

[quick dagger]

Fuck me, writing both places as i do pve with both, ele and warr. my bad

[fierce elm]

Yeah feel the shame smh

[lavish quest]

It is, as always has been, shockadin

[rancid granite]

speaking of pve, mountain thane prot is pretty cool; you're just a walking thundering mountain

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-bolt-gif-10297555197318505984

mountain thane gameplay

[fierce elm]

We aint picking spear

i refuse

[rancid granite]

shame cause its so cool

i see prot warriors using it tho

[prime solar]

Spear is cool but I can't explain why I hate playing it

[lavish quest]

You're a paladin

[copper fox]

Odyn is a fraction of what makes fury good rn

You’re fine

[verbal tangle]

Bro you nail people to the floor, idk what to tell you

[lavish quest]

And then they walk out of it anyways

[fierce elm]

my warrior is 72

[lavish quest]

Pathetic. White knight.

[fierce elm]

wtf rude

[lavish quest]

But true

[verbal tangle]

Begone Ashbringer.exe

[fierce elm]

STEP BACK OR I SHOOT

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/fedora-tipshat-mlady-melady-athiest-gif-7191305

[prime solar]

It may be inescapable to not run spear in blitz

Seems too good to not pin people on certain maps

[verbal tangle]

Yeah @cursor Spear too stronk

[urban skiff]

do @player like a man

[verbal tangle]

Nah, you @cursor the flag

[nimble jasper]

am i supposed to only get like 300 honor from stomp

[rancid granite]

300 honor for like 5-10mins is crazy good

grab an honor flask to top it off np

hi please thanks you're welcome

https://tenor.com/view/amazaon-alexa-gif-10508687

[nimble jasper]

i could have sworn it used to be higher

[wicked bison]

what healer yall thinks gonna be good, maybe not meta, but i like to heler alt, whatshould i avoid

[ebon coral]

does somebody a good fury warrior talent build

and which stats should i use ?

[fierce elm]

its capped

320 per game

375 with flask

[fierce elm]

pins, google, twitch, youtube

[fierce elm]

google, youtube, twitch

[fierce elm]

Check healer discords and find the least doomposting one

[royal valve]

are yall running 1 of each 2h pvp wep or

that also answeres my question

[rancid granite]

Alexa what is the best fury stats to use

[urban skiff]

you might have done them on bg weeks.

[nimble jasper]

At least the epic bg quests exist ig

[fierce elm]

I mean you do a comp stomp in like 4-8 minutes

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[fierce elm]

its the fastest by far

[verbal tangle]

You do it to do it and then you leave epic bgs like the hellscape they are

[nimble jasper]

been getting ok epics

yeah just do the 1k quests

[verbal tangle]

Like yeah I won an hour long turtle in Isle of Conquest, but fuck did it tank honor farming

[fierce elm]

like assuming 8 comp stomps per hour

[nimble jasper]

15min ashran

i think

[fierce elm]

thats 3kr honor with the potion

[verbal tangle]

Assran

[nimble jasper]

place still sucks

[verbal tangle]

Just needs to be removed and made a brawl for the people who need the chievos

[nimble jasper]

highmaul col

speaking of dead content

[verbal tangle]

Classic Assran Brawl and remove the flag humping one like they did Strand of the Shithole

I still think they should shitcan current AV and just bring back classic AV

[nimble jasper]

isle of conquest has sick tabard

too bad fuck that place

[verbal tangle]

Yeah, that everytime you look at you have a Nam flashback

[fierce elm]

Make ashran into torghast

everyone gets random powers

fuck it

Make games go zooom

[verbal tangle]

Make whoever snorts the most coke powers win

[nimble jasper]

lowkey not sure why im subjecting myself to this shit

when the 626 crafting reagent is going to be 175 honor per

[verbal tangle]

Because you want the honor for the sockets

[pure hornet]

So afther full honor gear equip should we farm honor for sokets?

[verbal tangle]

yeah

you can't buy the sockets until Chewsday, but you can sit on the honor

[nimble jasper]

at least i assume it will be usable on blue crafteds

since honor gear is blue

and glad heraldry on spark gear

[queen peak]

Currently full honor hear for slayer fury, want to gear for Colossus Arms for the chonk hits. What stat's should I aim for? Haste?

[fierce elm]

Mastery

basically the same gear

[queen peak]

Sweet

[urban skiff]

haste to taste, mastery for assery

I think arms wants like 15-20% haste atm? someone smart can correct me

[oak pelican]

Does anyone have a nice pvp plater?

[boreal veldt]

i've tried both haste and mastery, definitely mast>haste atm

both slarms and carms

[urban skiff]

what about prot

[boreal veldt]

ᶜʳᶦᵗ ᵖʳᵒᵗ ᵗʰᵃⁿᵉ ᴮᶦˢ

[prime solar]

I think mine is good. You'd have to decide for yourself.

[urban skiff]

prot is a joke

why dam so low

[verbal tangle]

god I hate this game lmao

[urban skiff]

i was promised like a billion demolish crits and best i could do was 1.4m

[verbal tangle]

is this our real Krabby Patty secret formula?

[urban skiff]

huh?

[verbal tangle]

is this the sauce?

[urban skiff]

nah

still dying to a rogue stun

[lavish quest]

Where's the sauce?

[urban skiff]

what the heck is going on

i don't know what i was expecting but demolish kinda sucks if it don't get to stack up

[fickle forge]

Hey guys what colour choker do I need to main slayer fury?

[dim flame]

New to pvp, is there a palce you guys recommend for talents?

[urban skiff]

black

[urban skiff]

pins

[dim flame]

Thanks im just blind apparently

[verbal tangle]

try thane prot

[urban skiff]

Already gonna be thane fury

I just wanted to mess around with colossus to try and find juicy crits for s1 blitz but it looks like a life-challenged dream..

My stats are all wrong though. Doubt a bit of haste and crit will save my dream

[rancid granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZhkSgq4jSM

🙏

[prime solar]

Anyone know why this macro becomes unpressable until I log out?

[fierce elm]

why do you have a bladestorm ignore pain macro

[prime solar]

Why wouldn't I?

[fierce elm]

Because there might be times where you want to see IP cooldown

or just press IP without pressing bladestorm

or pressing bladestorm without pressing IP

Actually plenty of times where you want to press IP without bladestorm

[prime solar]

I have IP on my bars as well, but BS doesn't cost rage so I usually want it up in pvp while I'm spinning

[fierce elm]

the fuck

[prime solar]

Warriors with more experience than me suggested it, so I'm trying it.

[fallen estuary]

maybe if blizzard had their 2008 creativity we woulda had this

[hollow token]

Quick question my friends new to Warrior and we've noticed Warriors in PvP/BGs doing like 1.6m damage with Odyn's Fury, whereas they're only doing like 200k. How are those 'good' warriors scaling their Odyn's Fury for the massive damage?

[prime solar]

Hitting as many people as possible with it. Using the talent that casts it briefly when avatar is pressed.

[hollow token]

So hitting more targets causes the tick on each target to be higher?

[fallen estuary]

no you just hit more people

[fierce elm]

Hit more with AoE ability = do more damage

[hollow token]

I meant his actual ticks were chunking for way more than my friends both full PvP gear I dunno if theres a fundamental setup they're missing

[fierce elm]

probably not

I wouldnt judge any sort of damage from BGs as for right now

we are going to see what spec does real damage in arena real soon

[rose spoke]

I noticed that too, if there’s a fury that’s really gapping ppl in dmg in Bg or even skirmish, their Odyn’s is top dam and by like 15/20%

[copper fox]

If gear is equivalent there’s no difference in tick dmg though. They just have better uptime on it

[fierce elm]

Not if its per tick

because then uptime doesnt matter

[dense herald]

Did they have 1 more xp than u

I mean ig it maybe helps if u keep forgetting to press ignore pain

[fierce elm]

Besides, a few lucky crits while having every cooldown in the world and he too can do that

[dense herald]

Which i do sometimes

[fierce elm]

how do you forget to press ignore pain what the fuck

[prime solar]

It was in Bahjeera vid. I didnt like the other macros but that one seemed to make sense to me

[dense herald]

Bro im focusing on spamming mortal strike

[fierce elm]

what the heck

[dense herald]

Ah ok he macros everything and everything i think

He has like taunt macro on his ms

[dense herald]

Afro ur a ret player

[fierce elm]

what the fuck

Here I go swapping spec for two seasons

and I AM SHUNNED FOR IT

[dense herald]

Try to get 1.8k with facerolling challenge difficulty EXTREMELY EASY

[fierce elm]

wtf

I WAS A WARRIOR MAIN

LEAVE ME BE

I cant help that my only 3s partner also mains warrior

[dense herald]

Wait i misstyped

[dense herald]

Then play double warrior

[fierce elm]

we tried

it was underwhelming

[dense herald]

I mean atleast ur not like @urban skiff

Fotm reroller

[fierce elm]

lmao

It was between ret and warr when returning in s3

and eventually just became ret

TOO BAD ITS DOGSHIT

dw ret in s3 will be busted as hell

[dense herald]

He says he will play dh cuz its fun but the only time u see him dh is when its meta

Smh

[fierce elm]

lmao

you mean artji

[dense herald]

Oh wait ye

I confused them

Somehow

[fierce elm]

smh

[dense herald]

Sorry @urban skiff

[fierce elm]

to be fair there are more non-warriors here than warriors

[dense herald]

That happens when u nerf every fun warrior talent and/or ability

[fierce elm]

If colossus was good and not what it is now

I would fuck around with it

Slayer and thane are boring as hell

[dense herald]

I mean it was good

Cuz killing ppl

But nerfed

[fierce elm]

"Sorry you walked one step to the side so now I cant hit mb"

[dense herald]

Spear good uhh nerf spear,unhinged good uuh nerf unhinged,skullsplitter good uhhh nerf skullsplitter

[dense herald]

True

It should slow the enemy player by like 90%

So u cant miss it

Or just make them unable to move

[fierce elm]

root

stun

90% slow

whatever you want

[dense herald]

Me when i press demolish but lock trinket ports

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[rancid granite]

the CRIT stats for arms is very interestin'

[real briar]

the world pvp "soldier of the alliance" i have to kill 10 lvl 80's to ge tthe buff and quest right or doesnt matter the lvl?

[spice hornet]

aff is so broken

the single target build

shadow bolt hits harder than chaos bolt

[dense herald]

That doesnt sound fun

[spice hornet]

easily the highest ST damage spec in the game atm

and not be like 10-20%, often times its double the #2

one game we tested just letting aff free cast into us while we W key'd something else with max uptime single target and we were in the low 30 mills, lock at the end of the match was 57mill on just 1 person

[sharp meteor]

man

[peak hawk]

what stats do we want on fury?

[prime solar]

Do you know why it's happening?

[sharp meteor]

not crit

probs mastery/vers slightly over haste

although bit of haste is fine/good

[peak hawk]

ty

[spice hornet]

lmfaooooooooooooooo

[rugged coral]

What pvp talents are most used? and is there a 'bis' honor gear set i should focus on with this comp stomp spam

[cinder thorn]

No there is no BIS, just don't get crit and ull.be fine

[pastel summit]

can you unlock conquest now

[neon quest]

no you cant

whats the actual % of mastery/haste we should be hitting

like when do we switch from mastery to haste, or vice versa

for fury i should add

[pastel summit]

do i ever use raging blow as fury?

[ashen cradle]

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=1 Bloodthirst, Raging Blow, Raging Blow

[rugged coral]

for armor, better to get haste or mastery or doesnt matter? thinking haste

[verbal tangle]

Yes lmao

[rose spoke]

Are people actually using this macro ? How does it feel
Honestly

[ashen cradle]

It feels fine when your better options are on CD. You can opt to not press it directly after a bloodthirst and it will reset back to bloodthirst a couple of seconds.

I also have it bound to another key.

I got it from Bajheera's guide and I'm sure someone else can likely explain it better.

[grand prism]

Can I post twitch clips here

It's not mine, fwiw

I just happen to be in it.

[knotty socket]

is it a mom get the camera moment

[grand prism]

If savix and xaryu are mom

Nah it's cool, I got called out for my roleplay addon lmfao

[modern veldt]

most annoying thing in PvP when the game tells you your not in range and your literally ontop of the person

[grand prism]

Have you noticed the execute animation discrepancies yet

[fickle forge]

Hey guys do I go for pepsi or coca cola as arms in TWW?

[pure hornet]

Coca

Pepsi suks

[jagged jacinth]

Pepsi if older than 13

Coke if still mentally developing

[fierce elm]

Pepsi is for poor people

[balmy solar]

RC Cola if you're so old that they ask you what it was like playing Vanilla

[analog cloud]

Hello im playing fury in pvp. Is bladestorm worth using in Single target burst ? Or should i use only Avatar and reklessness and Do my Single target rotation ? Im New with warrior

[vestal moat]

it's worth it it generates rage gets you imune to some cc and gives a +12% damage taken to the other guy

[fierce elm]

we have the same burst prio as #fury guide

so literally the same burst prio

[fickle forge]

The real burst of fury is to press N and respec to colossus arms

[fierce elm]

My guy stuck in DF

[fickle forge]

Shut up swedish nerd

Colossus is awesome

Demolish shreds

[fierce elm]

It is

but unfortunately it has a simple counter

press W a bit

[fickle forge]

At least Hurricane is gone

Couldn't imagine spending 7 globals to setup a channeled burst that people can backpaddle out of

[balmy solar]

really should be castable while moving

[lone lagoon]

Or just use a stun?

I mean sometimes it’s annoying to use for sure, but not that bad as ppl make it out to be

[fickle forge]

Yeah and that's a good way to think about it, until you start to look at it relatively

Do all this shit to land your burst, or just hit your off-GCD burst as fury and do the same damage with 0 effort

[lone lagoon]

Yeah obviously fury is easier and better at the moment. But arms can work too, it’s just requires more setup and planning

[pure hornet]

Did any of you ever had race indecision?

I am undead but i allways think of tauren at nights :))
If it makes sense

[cosmic quartz]

Soo with changes, will arms be the way for arena?

[fierce elm]

no

[lavish quest]

Frost mage will be the way

[pure hornet]

Is there any time in history that frost mage was not strong?

[elfin surge]

arms is literally getting nerfed too

[pure hornet]

Hey Mud, witch race u think is coller? Undead or tauren

[rancid granite]

auto attack dmg buff coming for arms ok

blessed be the buffs

"fury is going from S++ tier to S+ so it's absolute shit now right? because of a nerf"

[lavish quest]

S++ for warrior means we broke into B tier for everyone else.

[cinder thorn]

Haste is up to your preference

Haste hits more often

Mastery has bigger hits

It's best to have a balance of both

[rancid granite]

i'm excited to get some crit gear and try bahjeera's arms build; even though it's MID

mid aint bad

*opinion subject to change when s1 releases

[cosmic quartz]

Arms is getting 12% AA buff.

[elfin surge]

[cosmic quartz]

Sorry, I'm new to warrior. Wondered if those abilities were the reason Fury was so strong and if arms is more equal to it now. From your response, I'm guessing it's not 😅

I guess I better start learning Fury for now 🤔

[elfin surge]

the gap between arms and fury is pretty large rn

arms is like B tier

fury is the best melee in the game

[rancid granite]

B tier sounds so much more realistic

B tier is playable and can still have fun and do things on it

[cosmic quartz]

Rip. idk why, arms just feels so right. I'll have to mess around with fury a little and see how that feels too. Isn't it basically spamming Rampage > Crushing Blow > Bloodthirst in that order?

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge will still play arms

fuck you kargish

[worthy fern]

My experience right now is that there is so much micro cc and immunities and all kinds of garbage mobility that if you can’t get your damage off instantly you’re in a bad spot which is probably why arms is suffering so bad

I had a similar experience with outlaw

The kidney nerf hurt outlaw the most I think

[elfin surge]

arms still playable

[rancid granite]

rampage priority, but bloodthirst procs things too alogn with raging blow, bahjeera's fury guide goes more into detail

then onslaught/odyns fury fillers to get rage for rampage

the bloodthirst>ragingblow macro he uses feels nice

[wheat jay]

which would you play, d tier or s tier?

[near inlet]

hi; which one is must hit first? thunderous roar or odyns fury?

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay what are you playing

[wheat jay]

for pvp?

[worthy fern]

Yes

[wheat jay]

every d tier in the game

ill have warr, survi, and dh

plan is to play kfc again

[cosmic quartz]

interesting 🤔 this is an updated guide or?

[rancid granite]

yeah he made a fury and arms past few days thats up on his youtube

[cosmic quartz]

oooh nice. I'll check those out for sure! Thanks 😄

I'll probably mostly play solo shuffle on my rogue, but kinda want to get into warrior a bit for some duos with a healer friend of mine. Should be quite a shitshow with me learning a new class and him learning arena

[elfin surge]

fury war is the easiest melee

you'll do fine

[rancid granite]

especially coming from rogue

[cosmic quartz]

Ah, that's good to hear

[fickle forge]

Rampage glows? Hit it

[cosmic quartz]

xD

[worthy fern]

As survival? @wheat jay

[elfin surge]

enemy run? chase it

[worthy fern]

Cause if so you got no room to complain to kargish

[cosmic quartz]

Makes sense so far 😂

[rancid granite]

i main warr and alt rogue; there's a lot of similarity but warrior is just a simple version of it lol

[wheat jay]

unless @fickle forge plays survi, yes

[cosmic quartz]

I see. Played rogue every time I decided to play wow, but admittedly only ever reached 1800 before quitting. Most of the time because all my friends quit and cba with finding ppl through LFG 😂 this time I'm more excited with solo shuffle though (skipped dragonflight, didn't really play a lot end of shadowlands)

[rancid granite]

same and returned with dragonflight

so many good QoL things these days and the ability to do things and climb while still playing casually

[cosmic quartz]

idd. Really exciting. A bit sad I missed an expansion with so many changes though

[rancid granite]

i wish i played Legion that expac seemed cool as hell

[cosmic quartz]

Same

I might do so if classic ever gets there

[rancid granite]

i went back to do it all for the story but it was empty

[worthy fern]

Don’t worry we will have legion classic in about 6 years

[elfin surge]

probably less

cata only lasting a year

[worthy fern]

So 3 more years then?

I’d be down for legion classic

I don’t think they’ve come close to topping that xpac since

[spice hornet]

Can they just kill classic after ends and restart

Cata ends*

[worthy fern]

I have a feeling the next “remix” will be a dif xpac

Wow remix

Wod

[hushed seal]

Probably

[wise parcel]

Arms get a buff today?

Doesnt look like it, which means the slayer fury build is still WAY above anything arms can do?

[rancid granite]

its on the patch notes

and S tier vs B tier take of that what you will

[wise parcel]

I looked through the patch notes and just saw some fury nerfs but no arms buffs, what did I miss?

[rancid granite]

it's in the patch notes 👀

[elfin surge]

na man they are removing arms 12% auto attack nerf

huge buffs we are so back

[rare oak]

Hey gents is there less chance to crit in pvp than pve?

[wise parcel]

Is that sarcasm lol

It feels like sarcasm

[elfin surge]

ya arms is getting nerfed

b tier melee btw

[urban skiff]

finally

a big demolish

[wheat jay]

they will nerf it 100%

so ye

[urban skiff]

they're probably struggling with how to nerf slayer fury without killing slayer arms

[wheat jay]

one spec only nerfs

dh has 30 soul fragments for tank and 6 for dps on their tree lol

its not out of their scope of possibility

[urban skiff]

they wont' do that with arms/fury

the specs are too close

[wheat jay]

doesn't matter

[urban skiff]

they like to keep up the pretense that the "pvp spec" is randomly chosen by the player base and not decided by very specific buffs and nerfs

[wheat jay]

they can do that

[urban skiff]

can but they don't do it

[wheat jay]

they can do that, high chance they will

[urban skiff]

so they're going to target something that only hits fury (nerf) or arms (buff). Might make a token change to slayer that isn't big

[wheat jay]

you're guessing

based on nothing

[urban skiff]

no, it's history

it's how they've always done it

[wheat jay]

so, like how they nerf or buff execute for fury or arms only?

so historically youre wrong here

[urban skiff]

You're not getting it

[wheat jay]

your argument is that they will attempt to nerf one aspect of slayer to keep both balanced

[urban skiff]

They do spec specific changes.
They're not going to do a spec specific change that switches which spec is the default pvp spec

[wheat jay]

when nerfing it for one spec is easier

lol

no such thing as default pvp spec

[urban skiff]

They're still going to shift it back to arms, but they're not going to do it with an obvious change

[wheat jay]

whichever is stronger is the default pvp spec

[urban skiff]

Man how long have you played WoW?

[wheat jay]

years

and wow changed

there's no default pvp specs anymore

that's cap

we're not playing wotlk

we're not playing fucking mop

[buoyant chasm]

Is fury still fine after nerfs?

[wheat jay]

yes

[urban skiff]

Then you know that every class with multiple dps specs has a default pvp spec

[wheat jay]

ohh like lock?

[urban skiff]

and historically, it's always been arms

[wheat jay]

with viable specs every season?

different specs

or rogue with different viable specs every season?

[urban skiff]

for the tripple classses it changes often. For the dual classses it never changes

[wheat jay]

or hunter with different viable specs?

or druid with both specs being viable depending on tuning?

or warrior like in shadowlands when both specs were S tier at some point?

[urban skiff]

I'm not going to bother if you don't make an effort to undersstand what I'm saying before braying your opinion. This isn't reddit

[wheat jay]

you're talking out of your ass at this moment

[urban skiff]

yeah exactly like that

[wheat jay]

its not my opinion, its literally how the game is

[urban skiff]

be a man, engage in discussion instead of spewing absolutes based on your poor understanding of what other people are saying

Are you banned from reddit or something? Take that behavior there, please

[wheat jay]

this is stupid take, i said its a stupid take, i provided arguments why

you tell me to go to reddit xD

[urban skiff]

you didn't even make an effort to listen

[wheat jay]

oh i did, and i answered

[urban skiff]

you are just (barely) waiting your turn so you can wElL aKsHuAlLy

what was my point

Explain it as you understood it, in detail

[wheat jay]

that blizz will struggle to nerf fury slayer while also not killing arms slayer, that was your initial argument

then convo went into default pvp specs, which have not been a thing for years

[urban skiff]

Yes, because what?

[wheat jay]

you mean the pretense of default pvp spec?

[urban skiff]

Historically, blizz has made a barely hidden conscious effort to keep arms as the spec that is most popular in pvp

[weary haven]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-nod-gif-9848358

[wheat jay]

by historically you mean until end of bfa?

[urban skiff]

Or maybe it's a very random chance that it just keeps being default season after season after season

[wheat jay]

cuz in shadowlands we had fury become the go to warrior spec, for two seasons iirc

[urban skiff]

1½ at most

[wheat jay]

in df we also had moments where fury was superior

at the moment it is superior as well

[wheat jay]

s3 and s4

[urban skiff]

end of S3 and all of S4 (same as df, high stats -> fury excell)

[wheat jay]

entirety of s3

the second people got tier set, fury became warrior's best spec

and that's not end of season

[urban skiff]

That's not how I remember shadowlands

[wheat jay]

but thats how it was

fury in s3 and s4 had broken tier set

[urban skiff]

Arms was king throughout all of bc, all of wrath, all of cata, all of mop, almost all of bfa

[wheat jay]

and was doing more dmg than arms

[wheat jay]

👍

its not a thing anymore my guy

it hasnt been since shadowlands

[urban skiff]

List recent seasons then

[wheat jay]

that's two expansions into the past

thats 8 seasons

that's few years

[urban skiff]

SL S1, S2, S3 arms
SL S4, fury

DF S1 S2 S3 arms
DF S4 fury

[wheat jay]

SL s3 fury

[urban skiff]

The community prefers arms. Blizzard clearly listens when balancing pvp

There's no shame in that

[wheat jay]

lmao

[weary haven]

this is the only truth in your entire argument

[wheat jay]

man its all about current dmg balancing now

whatever does more dmg is best xD

[urban skiff]

Not the only truth. Just the only truth people will admit

The game is better when fury is best

[wheat jay]

lmao

no

[urban skiff]

I'm still calling it, they're going to bring arms to the forefront before the .5 patch

[wheat jay]

possibly

[urban skiff]

Just like how I was right about thane fury being bis

[wheat jay]

if so it will be through pve buffs and nerfs

or because fury is literally strongest melee spec rn in pvp

so it does deserve to get nerfed

[urban skiff]

I'm ok with fury getting nerfed

I don't enjoy my spec whenever it's the fotm

[wheat jay]

Lol

[urban skiff]

I've played warrior since tbc and i don't like it when i get called a reroller by someone with zero clue

so it's easier to just not play with it's too good

[wheat jay]

Or just play what you enjoy and don't get bothered by internet people?

[urban skiff]

Being bothered by people that mean nothing to you is very human

[wheat jay]

I get constantly called out a reroller cuz I play what i find fun lol

[urban skiff]

It's ok to acknowledge that it's a shit feeling instead of trying to repress it

[wheat jay]

Repressing and not caring is two different things

[cinder thorn]

You guys keep saying fury > arms

I get the same numbers on them both pretty much on the dummy

What is it that you say is SO much better on fury because im not seeing it

The only thing I know is the pvp dummy drops to execute range so the spec that does better in execute will be disproportionalty look better on the dummy

[wheat jay]

Dmg deliverance

Its easier to deliver a big hit on fury at the moment compared to arms

You macro everything

[urban skiff]

Fury has a stronger MS effect. If they deal exactly the same damage at the same candence, fury is harder to heal by default

semi permanent 36% ms effect

Only a short window where the ms effect is worse than arms

[wheat jay]

Wall usable while cc'd

Double bladestorm

In the end all comes down to damage

[urban skiff]

Don't forget, access to thane when slayer gets nerfed

[cinder thorn]

What about the sharpen effect isn't that making the MS on arms better every 30sec also?

[urban skiff]

the real fury spec

[wise parcel]

Lol the absolute audacity to make Fury's MORTAL STRIKE effect better than Arms'

[wheat jay]

Not rly, sharpen is still superior

But requires brain

[wheat jay]

As much as I like thane, it wont be better, doesn't do enough dmg in arena compared to slayer

In blitz it might i guess

[cinder thorn]

In pvp what's the max heal debuff with sharpen on

Is it 25 without and 50 with?

[urban skiff]

with their obsession with slowing down the game, eventually it will matter who can avoid most damage and thane is a strong contender

[wise parcel]

MS used to be 50% default

[rapid shore]

i would like sharpen to be like 70% or 80% and make it last 2sec or so

[pure hornet]

Wanted to ask what is a good macro for burst on fury

[copper fox]

If people started typing the same sentences into Google that they type here everyone’s lives would be so much easier.
This video helps make fury idiot proof if you’re not use to it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90EFk3S36X8

[dense lark]

Anyone know what Embelishments we are gonna use?

[wise parcel]

I watched that

[urban skiff]

I don't even know which there are to choose from

[wise parcel]

It seemed like he muddled the macros and playstyle section altogether

[dense lark]

I thought i heard Magnus saying the Nerubian one

[wise parcel]

As someone who's new to arena and warrior in pvp it was kinda hard to follow especially without chapters in the video