pvp

[sharp meteor]

smf always a few percent behind tg or almost always

and that tax while being psychologically less

is probs worse numbers wise

[urban skiff]

so if you have a honor offhand you have a 525 x 0,66 + 515 x 0,33 ilvl equivalent to a full damage weapon

[cinder thorn]

Yes when I use SMF it's less dps

They need to buff that talent until its loss is compensated

[sharp meteor]

so without actually looking at numbers

this is just zercher coping

[sharp meteor]

so the problem is that they want it to be bad

their vision of fury is titan's grip

so it is what it is

smf has basically no real upside sadly

less stats less dmg less stam

[cinder thorn]

Yes but what's the point of including that talent

They did this when they released DK with frost using 2x1h and removed it

[urban skiff]

you walk faster

[sharp meteor]

basically no upside

[urban skiff]

is why I said, it's essentially a mobility talent for me

[sharp meteor]

its bis for old content tho u right

zoomies

[urban skiff]

bro

between frenzied enrage, SMF, and fast footwork we can have a base movement speed at 120% when enraged

120%

[sharp meteor]

movement speed is a good stat

sadly not worth stat loss here

wish smf was competitive i had these big meme ass 2hs

[urban skiff]

I think they're closer than we think, in pvp

The SMF tax used to be 2 talent points, it's 1 now

[sharp meteor]

I don't know about that.

[violet fossil]

If you wanted to dw just play frost dk

[urban skiff]

if I can find room for meatcleaver then I can find room for SMF

[sharp meteor]

You're paying a talent point to do less damage and have fewer stats.

[violet fossil]

u play fury to dw 2 handers man

Not one handers

[urban skiff]

with SMF you can transmog artifact weapons to still look like 2h

and it looks way better because of the swing speed and higher haste

[violet fossil]

THATS NOT THE SAMEEE

still one handers in the end u know

[cinder thorn]

Is there anyway to confirm smf is working

I equip 2x 1 handers and one is always bigger than other even when I swap them and there's no buff or any obvious way to see

[sharp meteor]

Titan's Grip is truly one of the stupidest looking things in the game, especially as a Gnome.

[urban skiff]

I ain't saying SMF is the best. I just think they're way closer here in prepatch than they've ever been

[violet fossil]

it is prepatch tho

[sharp meteor]

I remember being curious and simming and the gap was like 5% output

[violet fossil]

Everyone’s stats are gonna be high

[sharp meteor]

as well as stam loss

and you had to pay talent points

[urban skiff]

those sims are using pve damage modifiers

[sharp meteor]

Doesn't matter.

[violet fossil]

I really wish they’d make another Warcraft movie

[sharp meteor]

There is zero realistic upside to SMF.

[urban skiff]

movement speed, higher enrage uptime

[violet fossil]

So we can potentially see a gnome warrior dual wielding 2 handers

And watch him drag them on the ground

[urban skiff]

I wish whomever made the D&D movie made the next warcraft movie.

[violet fossil]

It wasn’t bad tho

[urban skiff]

Or controversial opinion, taiki waitikigtiakiiki should head it

[rancid granite]

^ D&D movie was same vibes

[urban skiff]

D&D movie was absolute perfection

[violet fossil]

I really liked the Warcraft movie

[rancid granite]

warcraft + D&D + youtube recap of the story is perfect prep for TWW lol

[urban skiff]

Holy shit

[violet fossil]

The only thing I didn’t like was the garona storyline

[urban skiff]

just realized I've been going into blitz with 515 weapons

[cinder thorn]

I do 100k less dps on dummy with smf

[urban skiff]

Mine was the same every time i tried, over 2 minutes

And that's competing with leggo + asskander

[cinder thorn]

I'm working on it

[urban skiff]

I guess it wasn't a very clinical test though

I was comparing powerful to frenzied as well

So SMF + frenzied and regular + powerful

[lavish quest]

Blizz should just decide of fury should use 1h or 2h and then make SMF a passive that let's you mog whatever they go with into the other if you want

#changemymind

It'll be the drip passive

[rancid granite]

1h'ers are for the RP'ers

class fantasy and stuff

very wholesome choice to keep it a thing

[lavish quest]

I do miss weapons at my hips

[rancid granite]

right? the opposite too

[lavish quest]

But the game won't let me mog the two of staff that mogs at your hip at the same time

Reeee

[rancid granite]

there's like 2 1h'ers that hang on your back, looks legit with shield

[urban skiff]

or just add a 2h with the offhand tag that costs like 200 conq

I like the attack speed of SMF but love the look of 2h weapons. It's iconic for fury, no other class in the game can do what fury does

[lavish quest]

I don't mean balancing conq lol
I mean for ending 1h vs 2h mess forever

[urban skiff]

They can do both

Let us transmog how we please and let us equip either

also they should add strength daggers

I want that attack speed

[wheat jay]

Mog would be enough

There's so many good looking 1h weapons

[urban skiff]

Agreed

And if you want to play with them you've got to play as fdk, outlaw, or dh/enh

[boreal veldt]

i'm still curious if they're gonna give fury 2x 2hs for the pvp weapon quest

like theres no way right

[urban skiff]

I honestly don't see why not

I mean, i get why they wouldn't do it, but arms can't take advantage of having 2x 2h

Do other dualwield classes get a weaponset or just a mainhand?

[boreal veldt]

i think they used rogue as an example for getting a pair of daggers

[urban skiff]

Honestly? I think they're going to offer up just a pair of 1hs

[lavish quest]

That doesn't fix iasue

[urban skiff]

It kind of does. One will be better than the other. You can equip what you can access and freely transmog as you please. Offhand 2h at super low cost. What issues are left at that point?

[rugged temple]

is it even worth doing any sort of PVP content right now with everyone taking 80% damage reduction from warriors? lol

i was wondering why everyone else was doing like 5 times the damage as me in a random BG the other day

just saw the pin

[lavish quest]

Well I guess they could do that and it would unofficially kill off SMF so we can just have a dead talent aside from old raid runs if we sac 2 bag slots lol

[thick reef]

U still stack anti heal so if you are with a caster or fdk you pretty much win if you don’t die

[rancid granite]

play 4 fun not super competition in prepatch =p

[sharp meteor]

missing her (conq banner and mortal combo)

[sharp meteor]

nah check back on tuesday or whenever expac ships

[rancid granite]

is it worth it playing videogames right now

[boreal veldt]

whats the best grass to touch if i want to run arms in prepatch

[sharp meteor]

ya bugs haven't been sent back to hell yet

[rancid granite]

can somebody tell me if its worth it to touch grass too

the weather is nerfed (hot and muggy)

[hybrid socket]

Is war viable in pre patch PvP with the armor scaling right now?

I only play war and I feel like there's nothing to do for the next 5 weeks

Maybe mess around and try out builds on beta?

Get PVE gear to make leveling smoother?

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-frog-sad-facepalm-gif-14019879

[fickle forge]

Iron straws, preferably if they weight at least 1pl8 and are stackable

[boreal veldt]

[dense herald]

Get berserker buff and youre doing normal damage

Im doing good dmg as fury for some reason

[copper drum]

Just got back into retail afters years of a break. Trying out Arms warr in arena. I feel like I do zero damage, am I doing something wrong??? I am following the basic rotation decribed here: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pvp-guide

[rancid granite]

prepatch imbalance

tww soon

🫡

[boreal veldt]

You won't be doing damage in pvp until expac release

🫡

[lavish quest]

Yes, you're playing prepatch

Next question

[rancid granite]

whats the best build for tww release?

[boreal veldt]

Also that guide says Intervene redirects spells which is a flat out lie

[copper drum]

Yeah not a ton of resources understandable as its prepatch. I figured the rotation was enough to get started tho. I take Icy Veins with a grain of salt

[rancid granite]

you can still have fun and practice, maybe do bg's instead

or pve or whatever

[copper drum]

Is it cope or is the class just objectively not good in pre patch rn?

[rancid granite]

pre-patch is always imbalanced

like armor scaling is in place for tww so less dmg, add in buffs and nerfs constantly etc etc =p

bit of cope still

i been rockin bg's on warr still

[dense herald]

Whats the best build for midnight s2

[rancid granite]

it's gonna be arms, always

spear and demolish them all day long

it's gonna bring back old pvp videos; imagine huge slow motion demolish hits and ms crits to Linkin Park

it's all about big numbers poppin up on your screen

dps meters are dumb

fury is for pve

[fickle forge]

Prepatch
You're hitting into 70% armor

[violet fossil]

Just get arm pen

[peak sedge]

fury is for now the best, its tier S (in beta)

[boreal veldt]

week one demolish arms gonna go wild

never gon catch me running fury in pvp outside of deathwish shenanigans

[sharp meteor]

class it not good always reroll rogue

[hybrid socket]

How bad is the armor thing actually? Unplayable

[boreal veldt]

god no it's not unplayable lol

[hybrid socket]

That was a question not a statement to be clear

Haha

[boreal veldt]

haha fair

[boreal veldt]

it's perfectly playable, we're running high bleed and utility builds, or fury has the option of deathwish

i've actually been running spiteful serenity in arms for the first time since it became a talent just so my bleeds get faster ticks for longer

[hasty pulsar]

How far into new xpac do previous expansion set pvp transmog become purchasable

[hybrid socket]

Oh interesting. I kind of like the concept of high bleed / utility. It's clear to me that this just really isn't a good time to try and win fights on raw zug zug damage

Deathwish can be meme but always feel bad when you take any form of damage

[urban skiff]

I predict that demolish will be really really good for the first weeks until skillcapped puts out their first video on how to avoid that big hit and then nobody can play demolish because even 1300 players will know how to avoid it.

Looks great on paper, in practice it will feel awkward and you'll spend most of your burst window setting up burst instead of doing burst, which feels bad

For more news, subscribe to fury and play the chad spec

[narrow compass]

Immediately on launch I believe the previous expansion pvp gear gets turned into marks of honor purchases

[vocal forge]

for fury warrior, how important is it to upgrade the offhand weapon when gearing up?

is it just a stat stick?

[distant wharf]

Is arms or fury the way to go in solo bgs

[urban skiff]

Half as important as upgrading your mainhand. mainhand is 66% of your weapon budget and offhand is 33%

[vocal forge]

Thanks!

[distant wharf]

You guys jump in arenas 2vs2 for conquest cap direcly after full honor geared?

[urban skiff]

Right now or when season starts?

[distant wharf]

right now

[fierce elm]

you jump into w.e bracket

[distant wharf]

cant decide what to play in pvp, arms or fury 😛

[limber relic]

Fury is apparently op on beta

[lavish quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1235907106809581589.gif?quality=lossless&name=Pedro&size=48

[fickle forge]

What coffee brand for arms TWW S3 guys?

[hot solstice]

odins dot isnt bleed right?

[lavish quest]

Random guess cause I haven't fury'd often, but isn't fire dmg or something?

[hot solstice]

it was in legion

but "class fantasy" made it "phys damage over time"

thats why asking

[lavish quest]

I didn't know. I can't help you sorry.
Me monke who presses dmg buttons

[distant wharf]

U use wirldwind in pvp as fury?

[hot solstice]

only to get ppl of stealth

do u guys think 3mil gold is safe to buy out arcanite reaper?

[distant wharf]

Any cool macros for fury in pvp

[hot solstice]

nothing except for charge harmstring

[distant wharf]

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast [@player] Champion's Spear

[hot solstice]

lil tip...try to have separate avatar bind

so u can use it as root braker

but mostly yeah, u want to send it with reck cause that odins furry

[distant wharf]

any way to add odins fury there?

[hot solstice]

what for?

[distant wharf]

to pop cds 😄

[hot solstice]

I prefer to send odins when dot from the previous expires

[distant wharf]

ah, shud i buy 2x wep with conquest first or 1x wep and rest for tier set

[buoyant chasm]

Reck avatar roar is a bad macro?

I also use charge/intervene/victory rush macro

[hot solstice]

no I just mean sometimes u want to avatar just to break root

[buoyant chasm]

Yeah thats true

[fierce elm]

get weapons first, conq gain so fast now anyways

[rancid granite]

mail me one i need the nostalgia

or maybe i'll farm the spinal reaper; i WON it with my first guild and they still gave it to some other doofus and ive never gotten over it

[lavish quest]

If I need to cleave, ye

Unless there's a horde of pets cause they'll just soak it then

[fierce elm]

look at what they did to my boy

[hasty pulsar]

so what the deal with the changes tomorrow

[fierce elm]

Beta patch is hitting live

thats it

removal of a few talents

balance changes

[dense herald]

Fury is D tier (the devs mustnt see fury being good)

[wheat jay]

Eyo why am I b tier?

Buff me

[rancid granite]

B tier for Buff Me 😂

every tier list ive seen is so wildly different

[wheat jay]

Real

Enh dh and survi are consistently low

[hasty pulsar]

survival seems strong to me? maybe im on a diff planet

[wheat jay]

Seems strong to me

Its much more zug zug than before

Dmg rotation is simpler but you cant rly slack on it anymore

Maybe thats why people suck on it

They can't zug properly and they try to make some god tier setups

Instead of just blasting dmg

[fickle forge]

Imagine if people played the season for like a week before getting opinions on what's strong and weak

[wheat jay]

That too haha

[fierce elm]

Artji is saying "That too" when he has been creaming his pants with every patch notes for beta

[fickle forge]

OH MY GOSH GUYS SURVIVAL 10TH REWORK LOOKS INSANE ON BETA GUYS

[fierce elm]

lmao

OH MY GOD GUYS SURVIVAL IS OP

[wheat jay]

Real

Ey gotta be excited for something

Not gonna be excited about doing phone calls at work smh

[hasty pulsar]

kinda wild prot warr gonna do bigger execute than arms lmao

[lavish quest]

Zugging is what takes the real big brains

Why EU inferior

[wheat jay]

Gotta know how to zug to do setups

Cant play well for setups without knowing how to zug

Cuz once you do setup, you're zuggin'

[lavish quest]

Nah, you gotta be some set up 🤓 to do set ups

Gotta be a zug to just zug zug

[sharp meteor]

20% ms nerf gg

fury gaming

[elfin surge]

blizzard hates arms

[lavish quest]

Good thing we fury mains now

[spice hornet]

Wait they actually made Mud stormforged? 💀💀💀

[fierce elm]

MUD gave them the sloppy toppy

[spice hornet]

He must’ve turned into a furry

[elfin surge]

arms is doomed

[sharp meteor]

Idk if he fell off hard enough to grow a tail.

[elfin surge]

the fuck

[wheat jay]

lmao

[fierce elm]

MUD more like CRUD

[wheat jay]

mud will one day roll kultiran

when he becomes a powerlifter

[sharp meteor]

Kul'tiran is low tier just like Arms

[wheat jay]

afro will coach him

nah kultiran is top tier

100%

you are big

you got the powerbelly

[fierce elm]

I cant coach someone who can barely get out of his DXracer gaming chair

[spice hornet]

Mud resurfaced in the warrior discord when Dekel disappeared

Mid confirmed scared of his rival

[wheat jay]

mud was here with dekel tho

they had an internet brawl

and dekel lost

[sharp meteor]

Did his ahk break

[wheat jay]

ahk

?

[elfin surge]

auto hotkey

[spice hornet]

It’s a fury angle for TWW yet again sadly

[fierce elm]

Dekel broke Muds nuts

[elfin surge]

idk what happen to dekel he suddenly stopped streaming and stopped playing cata and his character has disappeared from the ladder

[wheat jay]

oh i know there was one guy on retail with same shit

then he reappeared with glad

hilarious shit

[elfin surge]

suk my nut

[spice hornet]

Mud Val’Kyr when?

[wheat jay]

when he quits wow

[spice hornet]

Make mud a Val’Kyr

[fierce elm]

thats the day I jump off a bridge

you have been warned

[wheat jay]

afro tried for years

and he got demoted from sf

[fierce elm]

the fuck

when did I ever try lmao

[wheat jay]

mud gonna get sf and valkyr in his first year

[fierce elm]

I didnt even try to get SF

[sharp meteor]

What does sf do again

[fierce elm]

glorified pin bot

basically

[wheat jay]

were you?

[sharp meteor]

what an honor

[wheat jay]

[fierce elm]

thats literally it

lmao

[wheat jay]

were you a pin bot tho

[elfin surge]

mad

[fierce elm]

No I refused to work

[wheat jay]

real

afro did the answering

kargish did the botting

now afro is doing the same shit, but without golden plate

[fierce elm]

I dont answer

I guide people to the answer

by telling them to use google like a human being

[wheat jay]

real

or reddit

or twitch

or wowhead

or wow forums

or wowhead forums

[elfin surge]

Cataclysm Classic is home

[spice hornet]

That’s all it does but it took 3+ years or so of asking the mods to make mud a SF so we had some PvP representation and they still wouldnt

[sharp meteor]

[fierce elm]

lmao

[elfin surge]

Cata arms is so fun

[fierce elm]

MUD hates the game

[spice hornet]

🤮

Once they make arms great again on retail mud is dropping cata classic

[elfin surge]

Kitty is s tier

arms is good

all i need

[spice hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-drop-andy-sad-gif-3101954698583639925

[sharp meteor]

TSG 📈

[spice hornet]

Warrior is like B- tier in cats

At best

[worthy fern]

@elfin surge miss this

[spice hornet]

Miss that so much

Back when arm was enjoyable

[elfin surge]

thats what the wrath babies say

[worthy fern]

@spice hornet it’s wack that they brought spear baseline and not banner after slands

Would have taken venth or fae even over spear

[sharp meteor]

Spear made a little more sense and banner fell into the whole cd stacking thing they've been trying to change.

[elfin surge]

i hate roar on arms

[sharp meteor]

If they did conq banner it'd probably be on a node with avatar.

[wheat jay]

Feral and fury s tier on retail

On beta

[fierce elm]

Should have been Aftershock

[worthy fern]

Roar is mad lame

[fierce elm]

not spear

100%

[wheat jay]

REAL

Aftershock best ability

Fuck anything else

[elfin surge]

[sharp meteor]

Roar is boring and just gets blinded off by my male human shuffle ret.

[worthy fern]

Aftershock with some new mechanic added though

[elfin surge]

i wanna q kitty on cata q kitty on retail then q kitty in mop

[wheat jay]

Aftershcok already had like 3 diff mechanics to it

Knockdown, ground effect, and rage generation

[worthy fern]

It was just rage gen and a knock down that never worked

[elfin surge]

they nerfed shockwave is it even worth playing

prob not

[worthy fern]

Would be nice if it interacted with kit

[wheat jay]

Lmao it was on separate dr, it alwats worked xD

[elfin surge]

2 second stun no way

[worthy fern]

We’re not going to sit here and pretend fae was ever good in PvP

Doodoo tree

Would need something cooler to be cool

[wheat jay]

Fae was good, banner was just better

[fierce elm]

Fae wasnt good

lmao

But it was fun

[worthy fern]

It hit like a wet noodle

[sharp meteor]

Fae was fun with Druid for vortex.

[wheat jay]

Cap

[worthy fern]

And had no cd reduction iirc

[fierce elm]

It had one week where it was good as hell

then it sucked ass

[wheat jay]

It was doing big single hit

[worthy fern]

So it was like 1.5 min cd to hit for like one buffed mortal strike

It was only good for the rage gen in pve

[wheat jay]

It did hit harder than that, and was good in pve cuz of soulbinds

[fierce elm]

and knockdown

I liked it

spear SUCKS

[wheat jay]

Knockdown being aoe, and small knockdowns on ticks was good

[worthy fern]

I hated spear then hate it now

[fierce elm]

Give banner or ancient aftershock

[wheat jay]

Aftercock imo

[spice hornet]

Mud washed now he can only play in classic ladder

[worthy fern]

Or new new stuff

[spice hornet]

Orchillez death wish stacking with night fae ability 1 shotted mud a few times I recall

[wheat jay]

Just better ability and wouldn't break meta

[worthy fern]

Arms needs some flair

[wheat jay]

Like roar?

XD

They added new stuff, it sucks

[worthy fern]

They took dragon roar and made it a dot that’s it

[wheat jay]

There was good stuff before that worked

[spice hornet]

Roar was event knew it was a fury ability in MoP

[wheat jay]

They can add it back

[spice hornet]

Wasn’t new new

[worthy fern]

Now it’s “thunderous”

Zero Thunder

[spice hornet]

Dragon roar

[worthy fern]

In the ability

[wheat jay]

Imagine you lose dragon ability

[worthy fern]

Where’s the thunder blizzard

[wheat jay]

In DRAGONflight

[fierce elm]

dragon deez nuts ability

[worthy fern]

I’d rather have dragon roar actually since it auto crit iirc

[violet fossil]

was for arms too

[spice hornet]

Used to have a like tiny knock back too

[violet fossil]

it was super strong early mop

den got nerfed

[wheat jay]

I don't remember that being a thing

[violet fossil]

yeah had a small knockback

[worthy fern]

They should have just brought back venth Arms play style and heavily invested into the executioners tree

Jsut slam fat executes and Ms

Zero bleeds

[wheat jay]

So the most boring shit ever?

Both in pve and pvp

It was fun in pvp when condemn was charging you

[fierce elm]

Reminder that Artji plays survival and doesnt play warrior

[wheat jay]

I do every season tho

I alt it

Both in pve and pvp

You play ret only now

[fierce elm]

Reminder that Artjis highest XP on warr is 2k

[wheat jay]

Yep

[fierce elm]

Therefore his opinion holds no weight

checkmate

[spice hornet]

Missing @galachad

[worthy fern]

Building up a fat mortal strike is fun to me as long as the buildup is worth it

[wheat jay]

Galachad is busy crying about survi with bicmex now

[worthy fern]

I’m prob just going to pick a class off spin wheel to play

Cause nothing is exciting to me

[elfin surge]

make dragon roar initial hit really hard and knock everything then itll be cool

[urban skiff]

combine droar with intim shout

and the knockback

boring problems need cool solutions

[lavish quest]

Make avatar have a freedom.

Thank you

[worthy fern]

Avatar choice node turns it into
Conq banner

Ez

Other node you fire and start radiating shadow flame damage while avatar is up

Being a good dev is so easy why can’t they do it

The new blade masters torments gotta be the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen

[urban skiff]

change avatar to a choice node between avatar and like the most beefed up bladestorm you ever saw

[wheat jay]

i dont think ppl understand that banner rn would be weak

no conduit for meaning no main stat

and new balancing would mean itd get nerfed in pvp

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay just make it have mastery and main stat duh

Not like they can’t just make it have those things

I’d rather blade storm never be worth pressing for damage only

[wheat jay]

and they wont

cuz it'd make it spiral out of control with oneshots, again

like, im down for banner

id abuse it myself lol

but it'd be weak

without all the old modifiers

[worthy fern]

It would still be a worthy choice node if all it did was add mastery and move speed

If it was below avatar

Combined it with Ava

Then make thunderous roar choice nodes ~ 1. No longer a dot but does double dmg, 2. You leech all of the damage done by the dot

Revert Spear to 50 percent crit dmg

[wheat jay]

they'll do none of those

cuz it would make it broken, sadly

troar would be basically a defensive

double dmg and no dot, would be disgusting oneshot burst

sheesh

[hasty pulsar]

wat u guys normally run wild strikes or endurance training (arms mainly)

[urban skiff]

Making troar a defensive wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to the game: All affect targets are disoriented, and will have 25% chance to whiff any attack

Probs wildstrikes

I'd go endurance if it were 1 point instead of 2

for the full benefit

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay it would make troar hot for the same ap percentage as obliterate I think

Hardly a one shot

Plus when I say these things think about if it were on a different class and you wouldn’t think twice about it belonging there

[wheat jay]

would be 720% if you got normal dmg + dot and doubled it as single hit

on 45s cd

[worthy fern]

That’s not what i meant

I meant double the inital hit

But not have it bleed

[wheat jay]

ohh

so 360% ap or so

would kinda suck ngl

you wouldnt get benefit of increased bleed dmg

from all the talents

youid need many talents to be redesigned

[distant wharf]

im full honor, bought a conquest wep, should i buy 1 more as fury or go for set

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay yea there’s plenty that could be tweaked or maybe a dif route to go with that

[urban skiff]

if you can get your hands on the strife weapon, get that

[wheat jay]

if we go for singular big hits

then aftershock would be the way to go

100%

[urban skiff]

Fury mainhand is 66% of your weapon scaling and the offhand is the other 33%. Together they account for 100% of whatever you're supposed to scale with weapons when raising ilvls

[distant wharf]

witch one is strife wep, im talking pre patch

[urban skiff]

this currency

costs 14 strife, unfortunately they took the strife token away from the shop. We used to be able to spend honor to buy strife

this what one of the strife weapons looks like

[distant wharf]

so i cant buyt it

[urban skiff]

probably not, no

weekly quest that gives them awards 8

Seeing how I already have a 1h i might as well pick up a second and try seeing how much fun SMF is

just got absolutely melted by assa rogue

[distant wharf]

so 2x weps with cnquest before set?

[urban skiff]

It's up to you

it won't matter much in a 10 days

[urban skiff]

if you do strife before reset you ccan do it after reset and have enough for the offhand

I forgot we have another reset before TWW

[wheat jay]

well

RIP

8sec stun gentlemen

you can just /afk when you get kicked

unless there's big pvp modifier xD

[urban skiff]

it's pve only

they announced it as such

raw nerf

[wheat jay]

ok good good

[spice hornet]

Such little faith in Blizz that you would actually believe they’d raise it to 8 in pvp

[limber relic]

what an absolute joke.

[urban skiff]

imagine stacking that with oppressive roar

[worthy fern]

@limber relic my man no one is playing the game right now

Wouldn’t worry about mmr too much at the moment

[wheat jay]

0 faith in blizz

[boreal veldt]

wish they'd put war banner on our back

[lavish quest]

Can't hide it out of Los then

[boreal veldt]

cause youre the banner

wanna kill banner, kill me

i'm just sayin this cause conq banner was on our back in SL, so why not just give that design to War Banner?

[lavish quest]

Well that should be easy enough

[boreal veldt]

[soft lava]

Need a good aoe fury build for pvp

help me out laddies

[rancid granite]

pick the AoE talents

[dense herald]

I saw pikaboo crying about 30s

Warriors have 3s stun on 30s cd

We can barely get off like 3 globals

In that stun

[rancid granite]

he made a 30min video about the 30s hahaha

[dense herald]

like its so boring

When rogues complain

Theyre the strongest class

They have so much cc and peel

I want to know how many times you actually even use kidney on cd

In 20 seconds

[worthy fern]

@hollow citrus dr is 18 seconds iirc

Plus it’s often they will kidney another target cs main target etc

[wheat jay]

Almost never

Kidney 30sec change is good, more time for your walls to come back between rogue goes

Hunter can pre feign kidney now every time i guess

[limber relic]

wait wait

did they buff

kidney to 8s?

[wheat jay]

Wont be 5 kidneys between trinket, but 3

[wheat jay]

Pve only

[dense herald]

I mean assa rogues were op df,infinite cc and insane damage,i remember once rogue smoke bombed me,i trinket parry,he restun me the second and duels me,kills me in duel through parry

[spice hornet]

Stormbolt shouldn’t have been reduced during the cc changes imo

[dense herald]

Shockwave got nerfed aswell i think,its now reduced by 1s in pvp again and if u take the talent its 3s instead of 4

I mightve misread

[spice hornet]

Why did like every Druid cc get untouched way back when they made the changes in df

Literally

It’s like they forgot that class entirely

When making those reductions

[finite fox]

You think turbo and ret war will be best for warrior in tww?

[real briar]

is my bis gear mythic rank better than honor gear?

[rancid granite]

prob not check murlok.io see what other pvpers are usin

[sharp meteor]

what gear

cos 528 is same ilev as conq

so assuming its not crit its usaully fine/good

also 535 ring is sicko

[real briar]

i have raid mythic gear i just started pvp so idk if i should switch to the honor gear for solo and BG

[sharp meteor]

in the end you want a bit of each stat and assuming same ilev it doesn't matter

[sharp meteor]

conquest maybe honor no

525-528 > honor

[real briar]

kk low dmg is from skill lol

[sharp meteor]

and = to a lot of conq

make sure u have pvp trinkets tho

that gives like 12% more mainstat or somethin

[finite fox]

My buddy plays warrior what should I level to play with him in tww for 3s push

[cursive harbor]

Prot pvp still going on?

[thick reef]

I mean it got a 30% aura buff on top of more ability buffs

And the removal of the pvp only nerfs

It technically lost some survivability but tbh you still aren't going to be focused if they are intelligent

[lavish quest]

Unless your vers is low and your crit is high, then no, the mythic ilvl would be better

But I know arms pve loves crit so that may be an issue

[urban skiff]

He plays without addons so he's going to feel that change for a long time. The old cooldown is probably hardcoded on his spine now

[urban skiff]

Prot gonna remind everyone why they had reduced damage in pvp soon

[dense herald]

Swifty oneshots

[urban skiff]

Big time. And not just because i launch everyone off ledges with dragon charge

[elfin surge]

what the sigma

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-arnone-sigma-overwatch-balls-lachlan-martin-gif-23582516

[fallen estuary]

ERM WHAT THE SIGMA???!??!?!??11?!???!11

[distant wharf]

how are warriors doing in beta

[wheat jay]

good

[distant wharf]

fury the way to go?

[wheat jay]

yes

[lavish quest]

Source: He's a hunter

But yes, we're fury mains now

[wheat jay]

i am a man of many talents

and many traits

one of them is honesty

[lavish quest]

Is one of them going low?

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-first-descendant-bunny-gif-8707991854533654701

[lavish quest]

That's an interesting gif

[wheat jay]

lmao real

ngl

this gif made me think

i should stop playing 20 yr old games

and just roll with whatever new comes out

savour all the fun

[rancid granite]

y

[wheat jay]

then dip

if new update is fun

come back for a moment

dip again

[lavish quest]

I have slightly dipping into deep rock. Tis good

[wheat jay]

ye i did that with helldivers

got all the fun

left

didnt do that with first descendant

was apparently fun

[lavish quest]

Same with hell divers

[wheat jay]

i do that in warframe too

[lavish quest]

Would go back, just not solo

[wheat jay]

new quest, log in

do quest

do some missions

byeee

[wheat jay]

same

[lavish quest]

I'd say join me sometime, but expac about to drop

[distant wharf]

how come in solo shuffel so many playing with pve geaer in pre patch

thats a thing?

[lavish quest]

You at 1200 mmr? Or they wearing mythic pve?

[wheat jay]

can do at some point

or when new stuff drops

i dunno

[distant wharf]

mythic pve

[wheat jay]

cuz its same ilvl

fully upgraded pve mythic gear is same ilvl as conq pvp gear

half of my hunter gear was pve too

[elfin surge]

pve is for nerds

[lavish quest]

Prob when new stuff drops. Ima have stuff to do for a hot minute

[wheat jay]

ye ;D

[lavish quest]

Why ain't you pve'ing then?

[elfin surge]

shut up noob

[rancid granite]

can't wait for tww pve

dealing more with the giant ass sword sticking out of the planet

and dealing with some hot goth chick xal'atath

i didn't know much of the lore at all until i came back and caught up on videos and what not

the sword was only jabbed into the earth because the earth is a giant egg with what would be the most powerful titan around so they were afraid

[lavish quest]

Yo, how did this dood get SF?

[rancid granite]

titans, the old gods, aka lovecraftian beings

and then there's spaceships and shit things are wild; crazy lore, cant wait

🤓

[wheat jay]

under the table

i heard

[elfin surge]

isnt arms getting nerfed today

[raw summit]

ye the tuning is comin in

-20% OP and MS dam

[wheat jay]

buff to fury

ngl

if fury and feral stay s tier

after release

you can just play with uglybaldbaby again

and get 15 r1 spots with your team

[rancid granite]

not so much lol

[lavish quest]

Isn't arms getting nerfed every day?

[dense herald]

Guys im going insane

[hot solstice]

do they make any sales on expansion release?

[dense herald]

So i took like 1 day brake from wow

I come back

And i lose another bg

[raw summit]

its this tuning iirc

[dense herald]

One of my healers did less than 1mil healing

Im going insane

[elfin surge]

too real

[raw summit]

you will not buy wawi discounted around launch

[hot solstice]

and keep in mind u also lose tiersets extra 15% on mortal

[hot solstice]

I meant services: rename etc

[raw summit]

oh that idk tbh

wouldnt be suprised if they did

[rancid granite]

dont just link half the patch notes!

[wheat jay]

this is pretty old im fairly sure

[hot solstice]

Well I was kinda surprised to see arms at A-tier from lot of streamers after all the nerfs

[dense herald]

Execute damage no longer incresed

Xdddddddd

[raw summit]

im mainly a pve frog so i forgot about these ngl

[hot solstice]

havent they already applied these changes on prepatch start?

[rancid granite]

uhm these are for 11.0.2, same notes as MS/OP descrease

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-launch-patch-11-0-2-patch-notes-345734

this is for today right

[lavish quest]

When warrior is F tier, people say it's A tier.
When it's C tier people say it's S tier

This is the way

[elfin surge]

awful changes lol

[hot solstice]

all classes got nerfs to their self healing

[elfin surge]

blizzard wants arms to hit baby numbers and be a pad bot

actually so lame

[lavish quest]

Blizz wants you to stop playing arms

[hot solstice]

ah miss sl s2 when I could b8 shit from ppl only buy pressing bolt+banner and oneshot them with bolt+swifty in 30 sec

and 16% versa from druid

[bright stream]

they do the same for dk

[hot solstice]

well new sudden doom is kinda op

[bright stream]

it's strong for a fortnight in prepatch, shit for 2+ seasons, people complain that it was OP all xpac

[elfin surge]

if arms cant hit a mortal strike for 50% of someones health its not viable

[craggy cliff]

Kinda feels like they want that for everyone ngl

[bright stream]

like the best was, when DK went to blizzcon for the first time in a decade

and people insisted it was blizzards fav class, had been op for years, s+ tier

[elfin surge]

yeah cuz m+ arena is fun kap

[bright stream]

meanwhile MES is on fucking life support and suicide watch at the same time

[craggy cliff]

Nah it’s hyper dog shit

[hot solstice]

u cant be pad bot if u cant stay on ppl

I see evokers blinks next expansion and I wanna quit

[craggy cliff]

But what can we do

[elfin surge]

pve cleave and spam micro cc is the dumbest version of arena

remember when rmp ccd and warriors could disrupt chains

now mages stand on your healer to max cleave damage

zzzz

[hot solstice]

do they make shockwave 2sec ?

[bright stream]

eh RMx hasn't been a meaningful CC comp in years

[elfin surge]

ya shockwave without colossus is dead prob

[craggy cliff]

Yeah even SL was better than what they’ve been doing lately

[elfin surge]

i dont see value in a 2 second stun

[bright stream]

Slands had some bangers

now BFA, there was the toilet zone

[hot solstice]

and they way to get wreaking throw...simply wasting 2 points

[elfin surge]

id much rather shadowlands 321 instant triple cc meta over DF

fire mages doing everyones damage x2

[bright stream]

I skipped season 4 tbh

[raw summit]

at least sl warrior could just murder someone in cds

[bright stream]

had IRL MMR to grind

[raw summit]

neco fury run over some idiot

[bright stream]

was fire mage cracked pre-s4? I don't remember it

[elfin surge]

SL > DF for pvp gameplay

DF still better than bfa tho

[hot solstice]

the best feeling was to play with necro druid to buff u 16% versa every min so once in ur life u could feel being supported and not be a support for some meta dps

[craggy cliff]

I don’t understand the direction they’re taking it

[bright stream]

def the worst seasons I've ever played for sure

[craggy cliff]

Just catering to casuals that only shuffle?

That’s gotta be it right

[elfin surge]

blizzard pvp "team" is ran by 1400 battle pet collectors

[hot solstice]

1000* they nerfed rating requirement for that seasonal mount

[bright stream]

Panda/Legion > Slands/Wod (my homies played back then) > cata/DF > BFA I think for me

[elfin surge]

I'm actually really enjoying cata because cata arms actually feels like a pvp spec

[bright stream]

to be fair, being good at PvP is usually incompatible with having a career/job

[hot solstice]

unless u die in pre wall

[elfin surge]

a lot of old r1s and awc players work at blizzard

[raw summit]

also for them

[elfin surge]

shield wall is 60%

[raw summit]

ie Ziko for pvp casting

[bright stream]

other than casters/media personalities, I don't think I've heard of anyone who is a 'known' entity in pvp working for them

[craggy cliff]

I don’t think casting is a full time salary job

[bright stream]

I'm also pretty sure you're the first pvp personality that I've heard of having a real job Mud, lol

[elfin surge]

i know a few who have connections with the pvp team

a lot of r1s know balancing before it even happens

i hear it all the time that shit gets leaked fast

[elfin surge]

[fossil mortar]

Mud calling out the system for being corrupt and a leaking ship.

More news at 11.

[craggy cliff]

The other day some random posted rogue buffs in RH like a week before changes were posted

Kinda unusual

[bright stream]

but nah all sillies aside, doesn't really surprise me that the devs aren't engaged in the pvp at a high level in most cases, its niche, and many devs don't even play the games they work on

[elfin surge]

its not really hard to figure out issues within pvp cuz the community is so vocal

[bright stream]

even if you get like 1/20 devs are interested, then you gotta deal with like, 3/4 or more aren't familiar/competent enough to make great choices

[elfin surge]

game breaking issues in pvp take weeks to be fixed or not at all

[bright stream]

nah, the wow pvp community is on average, one of the dumbest groups of incoherent morons on the planet

there's community figures that have it together

but the average pvp player is derranged

[elfin surge]

i think blizzard is letting solo shuffle drive the meta of pvp too much

[bright stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta41xU-tkFA

[elfin surge]

make team 3s great again

[bright stream]

the horse has bolted, the player base has aged and fragmented, and outside of the top end where the networking is strong, most players have very few connections in modern wow

there's a reason why exclusively premade teams have not been the only or default implementation in video game matchmaking systems since as far back as TF2

its exclusionary and inaccessible

[elfin surge]

yeah idk bruh a lot of bad changes were made just for shuffle

healer trinket change

cc changes

all made pvp worse

but tried to improve shuffle experience

[bright stream]

I mean, what you're saying is that it made the 3s experience or your preferred experience worse

but it probably made it much better for most players

[elfin surge]

Did it make shuffle any better tho?

i feel like s1 df was the best meta of shuffle

[bright stream]

I dunno, pre season 4 I was having a good time in shuffle

[elfin surge]

just kept getting worse

[bright stream]

but in saying that, shuffle is just how I can actually play

so

maybe not

[elfin surge]

lowest pvp participation in wow history excluding classic wow seasons

[bright stream]

is that in 3s though?

3s is dead

[wheat jay]

Im fairly sure without the pvp chamges to trinket, cc and other things shuffle would be more fun

[bright stream]

just cause I dont know if I was around for it

what changes are we talking about here

with cc/trinket?

[bright stream]

also, pretty sure the game was doing this pre-shuffle which is part of what led to shuffle being included in the first place

[elfin surge]

i dont mind shuffle i wish it didnt have a r1 title but i also think just because its more popular it shouldnt control balancing for all of pvp

random bgs are more popular than anything if they balanced off those the game wouldnt be playable

[bright stream]

nah that's a silly take, there's no reasonable justification other than gatekeeping to exclude it from having a distinct title

it should have a mount recolour as well

[wheat jay]

Trinket for healer on shorter cd, plenty of new cc added to classes, but duration reduced by like 1-2s each

So now it's just fuckton of micro cc

[dense herald]

I know how to make the game better rn

[bright stream]

shockwave, but what else?

[dense herald]

One simple change

Make that frost mage root on dr

[elfin surge]

yeah i love tanks getting the same title as me at 1800

@sharp meteor

yo

[bright stream]

its % based, the 1800 rating really doesn't mean anything in this context other than thats as high as a bad spec can take you

[wheat jay]

Every class things

[bright stream]

if it was easy to do, multiple better players would be doing it to a higher rating

[wheat jay]

Fears, stuns, incaps

In return everyone got just more separate cc buttons

[elfin surge]

yeah but theres a minimum of 3 spots per spec regardless of how many people play it

[wheat jay]

They just play better, achieve same results with less effort

Easy

[bright stream]

literally isn't relevant, if its top 3, the rating doesnt matter, it goes to the 3 best. If Joey Prot war is number 1 in the world at 1800 rating, and no one 'better' has gone higher, its because he's actually pushing it to the limit

there's loads of duelists and glads kicking around for easy titles

[elfin surge]

No good player plays tank tho

you are competing against nobody

[bright stream]

no, no r1 players do

[elfin surge]

and fighting 1800 players

[bright stream]

but glad non r1s do

[wheat jay]

It's called boosting tho

Windy the druid got glad playing with lontar and other r1s

[elfin surge]

man i feel so bad for any arms warrior at 1800 getting those 0 healer double prot pal lobbies

[sharp meteor]

:3

[dense herald]

Wolfsmind

You are arguing against multi glad

Multi r1

5 rank 1s in s2 shadowlands

[wheat jay]

And he still breaks all the cc in the world

[bright stream]

yes, he's wrong

[dense herald]

Hes not

[sharp meteor]

What's being argued about

[dense herald]

Solo shuffle ruined 3s

[sharp meteor]

Kind of ya

low-mid mmr no reas to play 2s or 3s

when shuff spits out all the rewards for free

[dense herald]

How solo shuffle shouldnt have r1

And rewards

[sharp meteor]

It giving generic rewards was bad imo

cos then people just go to easiest bracket to get rewards in

why be 1900 3s when i could be 2500 shuff

[dense herald]

3s is a dead bracket cause of ss

[sharp meteor]

Idk if I'd really consider it dead

like 2s is actually kind of dead above like duelistish

[dense herald]

2s is a dead bracket and its far from 3s so ig ur right

[sharp meteor]

3s has dragon and title keeping it competitive

[dense herald]

At 2.2k in s4 i was facing the same 3-4 teams

[sharp meteor]

shuff just has a billion bodies cos

free rival-elite

[dense herald]

I got like 2.3

[sharp meteor]

ya had that sl too

depending on queues and mmr

just 50-50 the same 2 teams all night

cos nobody else at whatever mmr

[bright stream]

no, I was disagreeing on if it matters, and the titles

[sharp meteor]

keeping the prot dream alive

because there's a reason to

what stinks is no spec based rewards until literal top 3-5 or so region

[dense herald]

U were saying how tanks should be in arena

[bright stream]

no, I was saying that the raw numbers dont matter

you're bad at reading

[dense herald]

You said good tanks get r1

[elfin surge]

tanks should be banned from arena

they provide nothing

[dense herald]

And that they should get r1 at 1.8k rating

They should make r1 only to players above 2.4k

[dense herald]

They provide 1 thing

A bit of rating for when they go 0-6

You gi 4-2

[bright stream]

yeah I dont mind if they get banned, is that prot war stooge on the forums still around all these years later?

[elfin surge]

until you get prot pal lobbies as arms

[sharp meteor]

agreed undertuned buff tanks

[sharp meteor]

imo prot paladins should be slotted in as other tanks (dps with a limit of 1)

because prot pala lobby is legit just 1 guy wintrading himself and anybody who pays him

[sharp meteor]

abomb?

[bright stream]

thats the one

[sharp meteor]

ya friend originally got into playing prot to deny him potentially getting title and he deleted his char

[bright stream]

kinda surprised he's not the posterboy of this discord given its track record of intellectual opinions

[sharp meteor]

so now he appears for like 2 weeks every year when classic launchesd new expac hyping it then quits again

[bright stream]

lol, alright I lied earlier, sometimes the pvp comunity is absolutely wholesome

[sharp meteor]

oh well that gave me the idea for my project in s2

cos i had nothing to do

wonder if blitz spec based

[bright stream]

think supa said it's not but that dude needs some adderall or something, he's basically climbing up the walls adhd

[sharp meteor]

seems to work exactly like shuff in regards to like specs and stuff so

[thick reef]

Yeah but Bloodthirst heals more because it hits harder

[thick reef]

My healer when he has Bodyguard up (melee hate this)

Wait. Prot get Colossus

Charge > Fear (they trinket) > Pop every CD > Demolish

Ez

[cinder thorn]

I would love to play prot but a week or so I tried it again and it was trash

I'm looking forward to it being viable I love pvp with tank but not as it has been last few years

[thick reef]

You played it without a 30% Aura buff and further buffs

[lavish quest]

He played it with self respect. That's the issue

[fickle forge]

Tanks don't belong in PvP, nuke them

-80% aura on all their shit

[thick reef]

Little bro is about to get mogged by some fuck with a board on his arm

[ivory dagger]

Why does an entire third of the game "not belong" in pvp

[lavish quest]

Yes, but that board better be attached to a big rock to make it a 2h mace

[ivory dagger]

Bro I hate dh tanks too but come on now

[lavish quest]

Tanks are not a third of the game

[ivory dagger]

Tanks are in fact a third of the games balance and design

[cinder thorn]

I'm away from home I'll try it tomorrow or day after

[lavish quest]

They are in fact not. 20% of a dung group. Less of most raids. They are not 1/3 of specs.

They are 1/3 of available roles and that's it

[ivory dagger]

Sure whatever fine

I think being 1/3rd of the roles is pretty much enough but I don't wanna argue those semantics I wanna know why you think tanks just bar none don't belong in pvp

[fickle forge]

Cause it's garbage, a tank does nothing but slow the game down

Does no damage and doesn't die

Brings nothing to the game except dampening

[lavish cloud]

it's because the game in general is in such a poor state for pvp and is already one dimensional in general (3v3 arena with 0 objectives), so introducing pure support classes like aug or tank just expose the fact of

those roles just dont fit in the game design of pvp arena

they fit in something like mobas or 5v5s or anything surrounding objectives, but not just pure arena mode

[rancid granite]

turtling is just objectively the worst pvp strat/meta since always and forever

im ok with them in bg's since objectives

[lavish cloud]

there were some tank comps in wrath and they weren't extremely aids to play against but it was still fairly annoying

[rancid granite]

remember the good ol og AV games everyone just decides to turtle? awful

[lavish cloud]

but back then the game was designed with pvp in mind

[fickle forge]

Tanks in BGs is okay

But tanks in arena is awful

Sure miss SL prot pala or BFA guardian meta when we'd go to 90% damp before something died

Game began at 8 min in

[kind sentinel]

Tanks in wpvp are war criminals

[maiden trellis]

Anyone know where fury stands post balancing tomorrow on prepatch?

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-reading-we-the-people-fortune-telling-cat-fortune-reading-predicting-the-future-gif-22069634

the spirits call to me and say:

it'll be 'ite

[charred shadow]

Hello All, just curious, in Pre-Patch I am currently running Arms as I've always loved it, but is Fury currently better in Random BGs and Blitz? Or will either work?

[lavish quest]

Because they're not designed for it? Regardless if game has tanks or not, not sure why that means they must be in pvp by divine right.

[fierce elm]

either will work

[rancid granite]

try em both out see what you like more

[charred shadow]

I've always loved Arms in PvP and only did Fury if it was substantially better.

Begrudgingly if you will.

[rancid granite]

same; but after forcing myself to try out fury it actually turned out to be pretty fun

i'm still an arms fanboy though but it's fun to swap sometimes for fun

[cinder thorn]

I disagree because healers also slow the game down, they do same damage and bring nothing except dampening

If you argue healers are necessary because they keep healers alive longer so they can have fun then same logic applies to tank

There is no difference effectively between healers and tanks except healers fill a bar and tanks mitigate the damage to said bar

[fierce elm]

So in that case DPS has no spot in pvp really

and it should be tank only lmao

[cinder thorn]

So if you think tanks don't belong because they slow game down so do healers, remove healers and have shitty fast matches

[fierce elm]

Tanks should never be good in arena

Who am I to disallow someone to play Guardian

but Guardian should never be good

And anyone who has played the game while Tanks were good in arena will agree

because any time there is some sort of tank thats 'meta' its absolutely aids

for EVERYONE

[cinder thorn]

You're making statements with no justification

If you don't want tanks to be good because they drag game to dampening so do healers

So healers shouldn't be good either according to your logic

Then by same logic no one will play healer or tank because they're not good and everyone rolls dps then you have lightning matches and people complain matches ending too fast

Then they start giving dps more healing abilities and bigger health pool or lower damage and people cry about that

The lesson here is to have every class viable and let people have fun how they want

[fierce elm]

So we should remove every spec except for tank

I never said disallow tanks lmao

There are just certain things that arent good for the overall health of PvP

Tanks are pretty good in BGs and needed in most of them and thats fine

But they just kill the pace in 2v2 and 3v3

to absurd levels

[cinder thorn]

So do healers

[fierce elm]

we are talking 60-70%+ dampening before we can even start playing the game

Yes, and when healers are extremely strong and damage output is low it's also damaging to PvP health

[cinder thorn]

You're repeating the same point instead of understanding

[fierce elm]

There shouldn't be the case of matches being 10+ minutes, if that is either because a tank is meta or because damage output is low or because healing is so fucking high

It's just not fun to play for majority of pvpers

to sit and slog through long ass games

especially when 2s and 3s are +10-16

Play for an hour to get 100 rating lets GO

[wheat jay]

assuming you win every game

[fierce elm]

It's just that tanks just have no other win condition

[wheat jay]

3-4min is perfect game length

[fierce elm]

Tanks win condition is usually drag stuff out entirely

[wheat jay]

closer to 3 id say actually

[fierce elm]

and rely on survivability to win when close to high dampening

[cinder thorn]

Tanks win condition is same as healer and dps

Make team last longer than other team

[fierce elm]

Outdamp the other team

its different

[cinder thorn]

The team that last longer wins

[fierce elm]

its way different than saying 'last longer'

Because your entire gameplan relies on dampening the other team

which means your team is quite literally made for 10+ minute games

which is not FUN for anyone but those teams

[cinder thorn]

Are you failing to recognise that tanks and healers and even defensive cooldowns have the same function

[fierce elm]

so you would be severely dragging down the enjoyment

ARE YOU READING WHAT I AM WRITING

AT ALL

ARE YOU READING THAT I SAID "IT DOESNT MATTER IF ITS HEALERS OR TANKS"

[cinder thorn]

Using caps won't make people listen to you more btw

[fierce elm]

I mean are you going to read what I am saying

or read like 10% of it and then make up your mind about a single point

if that is the case then so be it lmao

[cinder thorn]

Dude, if you agree with me then why are you arguing?

Just say you agree instead of making pages of text