pvp

[cinder thorn]

Why don't you recommend ecosia instead

[wheat jay]

go fucking google

go wowhead

go forums

go fucking reddit

GO INGAME AND /S YO CAN I GET A STANCE MACRO

[fierce elm]

lmao

[wheat jay]

and im fairly sure people will answer

he could go twitch too

and get answer from any streamer

[cinder thorn]

Imagine if he find Afro waiting for him in game when he /s

[wheat jay]

dude id bet my ass he could get answer on lontar stream, who is a healer

[wheat jay]

lmao

would be W for afro ngl

[cinder thorn]

I think we should make authentication in this chatroom and people who can talk are only the ones with an active warrior so we can shut those noob rets and huntards up

[fierce elm]

I HAVE AN ACTIVE WARRIOR

[rancid granite]

he just min/maxing why do it himself when he could get afro to do it

[wheat jay]

i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

i do have a warr

i sent it yesterday iirc

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-10464204

[lavish quest]

I mean... if you asking people in game/streamers asking in a discord is the same thing basically

But ye, can just find on a forum post or some shiz

[wheat jay]

ok ok ok borh my guy, warrior arena exp check

[fierce elm]

n o w a y

gonnna delete it if he is still lurking

purely to be a dick

[wheat jay]

i wont delete, purely to be a dick

what else we going for

reddit?

wowhead forums

[rancid granite]

wait - what if he said please?

pls doesnt count

[wheat jay]

same shit

please doesnt give you the excuse to be lazy

[rancid granite]

he ain't even say thanks for directing him to where he could find what he's looking for tbh

[wheat jay]

cuz afro went full caps like a moron

[fierce elm]

merely wanted to make a point

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

@fierce elm

[cinder thorn]

No afro though

https://tenor.com/view/african-african-hair-afro-natural-hair-west-african-gif-12156149122936589392

That more like it

In paladin armor though

Hence Afret

[worthy fern]

Afro black woman confirmed?

@fierce elm pls confirm

[fierce elm]

i confirm

[wheat jay]

thats why he's so sassy

he's got that MHMMM

[lavish quest]

That's yo girl

[frigid cosmos]

First time here, thinking of picking up warrior for TWW... seems like a welcoming area 😳

[lavish quest]

Run

[wheat jay]

shut up leland

yo

[fierce elm]

escape while you can

[wheat jay]

warr good

always

warrior players got biggest biceps too

not a single rogue has passed a bench check yet

[boreal veldt]

warr players are all handsome and jacked

[lavish quest]

See how toxic Artji is?

Artji doesn't play warrior btw

There's 2 warriors in the warrior discord

[fierce elm]

true Artji sucks

[lavish quest]

Me and some other guy

[frigid cosmos]

My biceps bulge 💪

[cinder thorn]

I thought the same until I got used to their shit

Try warrior and if you enjoy it don't forget to workout in real life

💪

OK DK is going in the dumpster didn't enjoy it at all

[frigid cosmos]

And with a name like this, I just gotta go warrior

[fierce elm]

Look, there is a reason this channel is the most popular pvp channels of all class discords

because we are toxic as fuck in a nice way

we are going to bully you and make you a better player

[cinder thorn]

We?

[fierce elm]

and then you will bully people

and make other people a better player

also goated off-topic talks

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kenshiro-hokuto-no-ken-badass-fist-of-the-north-star-knuckles-gif-15312656

There is no off topic here

This is pvp only channel

Anyone going off topic meets me outside of stormwind

[boreal veldt]

gym and meal prep talk are always goated off-topics

[frigid cosmos]

This place is gonna be awesome...gym and nerd bros?

[cinder thorn]

Wait one more thing

Gnomes are bullied here

We don't like gnome warriors they're for pussies

[frigid cosmos]

Bully this dick

[cinder thorn]

The smallest you can go is Dwarf

Gnome has no manliness

[frigid cosmos]

Escape artist seem too good :/

[fierce elm]

whats your favorite protein powder flavor

[cinder thorn]

I know I just can't stand gnomes

[frigid cosmos]

Redcon1 MRE Blueberry Muffin

[fierce elm]

I like this man

[rancid granite]

wtf thats a flavor

sounds great

i'd choose strawberry cookies and cream

[fierce elm]

strawberry is the most WACK flavor

outside of no flavor

[frigid cosmos]

Dude...it soo good

[fierce elm]

Blueberry shit is always goated

Apple pie stuff is also pretty fucking good

[boreal veldt]

ive never found a good strawberry mix

how do they fumble that

[frigid cosmos]

When they run their BOGO sales, you can get 2x 5lb tubs for 80$ish

[fierce elm]

Strawberry is a rough thing to fabricate

in terms of taste

[frigid cosmos]

Great macro spread

[fierce elm]

The most optimal thing is to find the cheapst, trusted protein powder that doesn't taste like shit

[frigid cosmos]

Not chalked full of maltodextrin

Animal proteins

[fierce elm]

Also BOGOs in europe sadge

Also every NA brand is so fucking expensive here

its big aids

[rancid granite]

i cant imagine any protein / suppliment tastes bad these days lol

[fierce elm]

there are many of them

[rancid granite]

back in the day im told it just tasted like chalk and was awful

but now anything and everything i tried is just a nice tasty snack

[fierce elm]

I miss when you could get like 2.2lbs for like 14 bucks

now its 20 bucks minimum : (

[wheat jay]

Afro got his new gym homie now

Cute

[lavish quest]

He's gonna take your girl Artji

[violet fossil]

yeah am shocked how much has changed over 9 years

[rancid granite]

back in the day i meant like 70s lmao

[fierce elm]

old ass

[violet fossil]

Lol even then

[rancid granite]

i was told*

i aint that old lol

[violet fossil]

whey is not the same 10 years ago

It tasted like cheeks

[fierce elm]

okay unc

[violet fossil]

And I eat ass you know

[rancid granite]

i haven't gotten into it til a couple years ago so i got lucky i guess lol

[violet fossil]

is it the mre lite?

[violet fossil]

it was alright, just chalky haha

[frigid cosmos]

I use the regular MRE because I'm going higher calorie

[violet fossil]

I gotcha

[frigid cosmos]

MRE Lite probably tastes the same though, think the flavor is there

[fierce elm]

Cals shouldn't impact the flavor that much

[dense flume]

no flavor is unbelievably insane

didnt even know they made that

[fierce elm]

yeah if you buy unflavored

you need therapy

[wheat jay]

Used goods

[dense flume]

kinda of based though

maybe for smoothies?

[violet fossil]

trying the dymatize iso100 for now

[dense flume]

trying to think of its purpose

[fierce elm]

I tried it in smoothies once

[violet fossil]

more used for mixing

[fierce elm]

Its not unflavored

it has a taste

thats so fucking vile

[violet fossil]

like making protein pancakes

[frigid cosmos]

Iso100 Orange Dreamsicle was my go too for years

[violet fossil]

Bought the fruity pebbles one

Hell yeah

[dense flume]

ON Chocolate tho

[frigid cosmos]

Mixed it with Milk/Heavy Cream/Orange Juice for an orange dreamsicle inspired shake

[dense flume]

just a basic man i know

[fierce elm]

the only expensive brand I have tried is Ghost

delicious

way overpriced

[violet fossil]

Gold standard?

[fierce elm]

interested in Axe and Sledge animal fed though

[dense flume]

🫡

[violet fossil]

Hell yeah

[fierce elm]

but like 50 bucks for 2.2lbs of protein powder

HELL NO

[frigid cosmos]

I used to could get iso100 for about 65$ for a 5lb tub, but it skyrocketed in price

thats what swapped me over to REdcon1

[fierce elm]

everything did : (

[violet fossil]

It’s hella expensive rn

$35 for 20 servings

I was gonna get the gold standard 4lb for $65

but wanna try other stuff

[dense flume]

it was a costco angle for a bit, think they don't sell it anymore checked the other day. Had to go to gnc and unload like a 100 bones

[cinder thorn]

You lot sound out of practice, I think some pvp would do you good

You sound like old ladies reminiscing

[fierce elm]

pvp SUCKS

[cinder thorn]

This is pvp channel

[fierce elm]

To be fair I don't consume a lot of protein powder anymore

[cinder thorn]

Gtfo

[fierce elm]

hitting high protein aint that hard

[violet fossil]

Fuck yeah

[fierce elm]

Currently getting like 250g with like a scoop a day

mostly because I cba eating more food

[dense flume]

ok srry let us rephase:

what flavour of protien will increase our rating gains in 3v3

[fierce elm]

Apple Pie

[cinder thorn]

That's my man

[violet fossil]

depends how this fruity pebbles one tastes

[dense flume]

tbh fruity pebbles sounds like something a monk would drink for gainz

do report back tho

[violet fossil]

Will do

[wheat jay]

Borhanix wants some pvp talk and everyone is busy talking about gains and protein

[violet fossil]

that sounds amazing

[dense flume]

when frost mage root nerf

[urban skiff]

Kinda had to buy it. You got the rank and bought them at the vendor

[fierce elm]

heavy cream the FUCK

[cinder thorn]

It's blizz counter to Gnome warriors

[dense herald]

U can buy the thing for 2 gold

Rn

[cinder thorn]

How often do the buffs in BGs take to spawn again

The heal and damage ones

[urban skiff]

huh, where?

[dense herald]

The pvp place in stormwind

[cinder thorn]

Area 52

[dense herald]

No area 52 u get the tmog

[urban skiff]

Don't you need rating for it?

the area 52 is replica

[cinder thorn]

Ah the stormwind ones don't give you tmog

Area52 for tmog

[dense herald]

To buy the replica ye,u can buy the actual item in the pvp area in stormwind i think

[urban skiff]

and this warrior is like level 34

[dense herald]

Where cata vendors are

[urban skiff]

and hasn't been played since WoD

[cinder thorn]

So no ones knows buff timings?

[boreal veldt]

i think it's every 60sec after pickup?

[cinder thorn]

I think it's more than 60

But OK ill try to watch out

So I'm 2100 in solo arena now what's the highest I can reach anyone know

[fierce elm]

endless

[boreal veldt]

90sec is probably a better ballpark

[fierce elm]

wdym highest you can reach

[cinder thorn]

Rating

[fierce elm]

top arms is 3k

so at least that

[cinder thorn]

Is it 2400 or more

Ah ok

I'll keep working on it

Surely there will be a max though because at some point you will be highest and wins will net you like 1 point and losses will take 100 or something

[fierce elm]

I mean if you net 1 point there is no theoretical max

until you hit 0

[wheat jay]

Which you probably won't

[boreal veldt]

i wonder if blizz has a hardcap of rating numbers

[cinder thorn]

Yes but also you're not going to get 1000 win streak to get 4000 rating are u

[fierce elm]

maybe you are

in theory

its possible

[cinder thorn]

No

[fierce elm]

quite literally

in theory

its possible

[wheat jay]

I mean, there were people with like 70 wins in a row

[cinder thorn]

Nobody has 1000 win streak at top rating in arena

You will play against the best if the best

[fierce elm]

I didn't say that

[wheat jay]

So technically infinite win streak IS possible

[fierce elm]

in THEORY yu can

[cinder thorn]

No

[wheat jay]

Bicmex had like 72 wins in a row in 2s

[fierce elm]

Im gonna hit you in discord

In theory you can

[boreal veldt]

get him

[fierce elm]

although usually there is a hardcap

[rancid granite]

i'm on an infinite loss streak so the opposite must be true

[fierce elm]

where you just get 0 rating

[cinder thorn]

Meet me outside stormwind

[fierce elm]

lmao

[cinder thorn]

🤣

[wheat jay]

LOL alliance player

[fierce elm]

because everything at that level is based around other peoples rating

[cinder thorn]

OK in rated now c u bois

[fierce elm]

because eventually you just lose MMR despite winning

or you gain zero mmr

the odds of ending 3k as someone who just hit 2.1

is really, really, really, really, really, really low

higher than winning 1000 games in a row lmao

but yeah

[dense herald]

You cant

Cuz if u go to infinity

[fierce elm]

In theory I can do whatever the fuck I WANT

[dense herald]

Can you beat a frost mage?

Thought so

[fierce elm]

I am ret so yes

got em

[tribal holly]

Fuck you

[fierce elm]

lmao

fuck you late

[dense herald]

As warrior can you

[fierce elm]

nerd

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[tribal holly]

Ill beat you with eyecontact

[fierce elm]

I will beat you in hurting words

ur name stupid

[tribal holly]

Cool story bro all i need to do is look you in the eyes and you will cave in like the grandma who gave out the interview

[fierce elm]

Blue is a STUPID color

[dense herald]

Wouldnt take that if i were you gang

[rancid granite]

give'm that Ice Cube stank eye

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cube-charlie-day-fist-fight-fist-fight-film-snark-gif-7391014

[cinder thorn]

Normal bg premades are so dumb

What did they gain by beating pugs in greens

[cinder thorn]

Also it's gonna be funny seeing all those shamans crying when they get balanced

There's literally shamans doing 3x my damage in arena and they still lose

.
How much do you guys prioritise shamans totems?

Which ones

And do you use any method to help you kill them besides manual targeting?

I heard some people use mouseover macro

Is there an ability that one shots totems without it being overkill? Or do totems have different health's?

[lavish quest]

I click them.

Earthen wall is a don't bother

Healing streams are a sometimes kill

Skyfury, counterstrike are alway kills

Grounding if it's not too much out the way

Spirit link a lot of people kill, I rarely kill it cause I usually don't see value from it. I usually just cleave on em to keep em all low.

Healing tide is just a way stronger healing stream, so I'll kill it if I can get to it

Static field is a kill obviously when you stuck in it. (You can reflect out of it too)

[cinder thorn]

Yes I do same on static

With what do you kill them do you use a macro specific ability or what

I don't want to overkill them

But I don't want to waste a cd and not kill them

[lavish quest]

The weak totems like sky fury or counterstrike if they at ranged I have a mouse over heroic throw for killing

Otherwise I'll overpower or slam

In TWW we'll get less OPs so probably just slam em

For fury, whatever week button ya go like bloodthirst or raging blow

Some totems are chonky so I'll devote heavy hitters for them (mortal strike or rampage for examples)

[cinder thorn]

I noticed some totems have a lot of health do you bother killing them I don't remember the name

[lavish quest]

Like healing tide will take a few hits

Still worth killing

Pluses big healing on their whole team

[cinder thorn]

Yes I started killing totems today and found good success

Just need a more efficient way, manual targeting is extremely annoying since there's sometimes like 3 to 4 totems down

[lavish quest]

Healing stream takes 2-3 hits. Still can be worth if you get to them early. Otherwise if they have like 5s left before they despawn anyways I don't bother because it already got most of its value

I click on the name plates

And have a weakaura that puts an icon and timer above their heads

And the more important ones those icons are bigger

[cinder thorn]

I don't use addons my pc can't handle it everything is eyeballed

Got to 2197 or something tonight, gonna go on holiday soon I'm worried ill lose the grease on the hands when I get back

Highest rating for me ever, considering no addons and armor issue right now it feels good

[rancid granite]

how do you guys even see the totem / what kind it is? surely it's some addon option in nameplates or whatever ya?

I'm blind as a bat I can't see them but I also turned off health bars for pets and things cause the clutter is awful to me

[violet fossil]

@dense flume the iso100 fruity pebbles is delicious

@frigid cosmos have you tried ryse?

[frigid cosmos]

I haven't

[violet fossil]

TikTok has a sweet discount on their 54 serving

[frigid cosmos]

Oh nice, I'll have to look into it

[dense flume]

🫡

[lavish quest]

The icons from the weak aura are the specific kind of totems icon. Not just a generic icon. Makes a lot easier to find em

[lavish quest]

Very commendable

[peak sedge]

Which one, the Tea wa? @lavish quest

[floral cradle]

Pres evoker is good with warrior? 2s/3s

Not playing currently, coming back with a friend and they are wondering what to play

[rapid rose]

Betterblizzplates is amazing add on for that; has a separate options tab specifically for customizing totem nameplate color and size; I make all the kill on sight totems bright neon pink and massive size lol

[rapid rose]

Spirit link is good to kill because it’s a 10% dr to everyone in it and it only has like 1hp so worth to take a swing

[urban skiff]

Sure

I literally don't know how people can play without betterblizzplates. Blizzard needs to just pay that guy for the work put into the addon and integrate it into the game

[cinder thorn]

I just use the blizzard ui with the normal red bars and names on

And when there's a shaman fight I kill everything that's not moving xD

Usually elemental pets either move or cast so I know it's a totem

[sharp meteor]

ya pres war is a good time

[cinder thorn]

@rapid rose @urban skiff

Are there any other addons you guys use? I'm looking for lightweight addons that don't affect pc performance

[urban skiff]

Weakaura is the best place to start if you want to keep your addon count and load low

You don't have to set it up yoursself, you just download individual codes you like

[cinder thorn]

What size do you use, im trying it out

[urban skiff]

What people do is they tend to decide on a scale for priorities. So the bigger a nameplate is the higher priority

So if enemy nameplates are 1.0 you could make kill totems 1.2, to make them 20% larger

[urban skiff]

I think something fucky is happening with the pvp dummy

after the 2 minute mark my bloodthirst crits double in damage for no discernable reason

First rounds I'm seeing 700-800k crits for the first set of cooldowns. On the second set it jumps to 1.3m

1.7m

[cinder thorn]

You sure it's not that you drop its health low then the Vicious contempt kicks in

Crits are meant to be double right or is it 1.5

[urban skiff]

this is without vicious contempt

With it would be absurd

[wheat jay]

Try with

Could be a bug with persisting buffs or modifiers

[dense herald]

1.75 afaik

In pvp

[cinder thorn]

Could it be buffs from other players to you or debuffs from other players to dummy?

[urban skiff]

That's what I've been thinking, then i got into "how do i know if an aug is roiding me up" and then i started looking for weakauras that scream at me when that happens and i lost track of what I was doing

[rancid granite]

oh awesome this is super convenient thanks :D already use the addon just never seen those options

[lavish quest]

I think? I don't remember off top of head

[leaden sail]

https://tenor.com/view/noob-vs-pros-dbz-fighters-gif-8965098

thats how arms feel now

you dont do any dmg and we get -15% on MS and -20% on OP next week. So much fun

[urban skiff]

just play fury

[leaden sail]

no

[urban skiff]

I get that having 5 rotational abilities may seem daunting but I'm sure with practice you can play fury almost as well as you play arms

[lavish quest]

Just wait for expansion

[leaden sail]

Thats not the problem. Im just an arms girl for 15 years. Fury was fun in wotlk and cata, but after that it just got worse with every addon (on a fun level)

also im playing arms nomatter how bad it is

[urban skiff]

but rampage go brrrr

[leaden sail]

yeah sure, but feels bad anyway. Most funprepatch i can remember was SL and Cata

in SL prepatch where u can crit with 22k slams, on a 20k hp pool xd

or doing 15k executecrits with sudden death in cata prepatch with a 20k hp pool

[lavish quest]

But now is the perfect time to touch grass

[leaden sail]

but my fun goes away aswell

[lavish quest]

I'm sure you can find something fun touching grass lol

[leaden sail]

i reached honor level 420 now, lol

[rancid granite]

isn't there +13% arms dmg buff though

and other misc buffs(nerfs too)

[lavish quest]

Yeah you should go outside

[lavish quest]

Arms is f tier, don't you lie to me boi

[rancid granite]

wth I'm not discussing tiers

just pointing out you can't just complain about half the patch notes

but I'll agree it's f tier if f is for FUN

[fickle forge]

Arms is doing good on beta though

[lavish quest]

You underestimate my power

[fickle forge]

Can't believe they'd nerf my prepatch spec ya'll

Now I can't get my prepatch rating

[rancid granite]

arms dmg buff, arms auto attack dmg. buff, thunderous roar buff, op buff to balance out the op nerf, deep wounds buff

patch notes hard to read

[lavish quest]

We will never recover from this

[boreal veldt]

Ms still remains buffed since prepatch, since they made Crushing Force +10% to MS and with the +13% damage its fine.

[rancid granite]

I'm uninstalling but I'm gonna continue rage posting in reddit instead of touching grass

[leaden sail]

i hope so, right now you lack of utility (as always) + doing zero single tartget dmg.

[fickle forge]

What

Arms utility is insane

[dark topaz]

lol ok

[fickle forge]

We playing the same spec?

[rancid granite]

he reading half the patch notes he's probably only using half his abilities as well

[leaden sail]

like what? everytime we get good utility its get nerfed or removed later on and we are left with mediocre utility

[dark topaz]

intervene, disarm, duel, aoe fear, double stuns out of which 1 is aoe, spell reflect, remove snares with rally if you're playing the talent

[rancid granite]

lord Jesus take me now

[fickle forge]

You got good utility right now

Like right now

[dark topaz]

kill shields with wrecking or immunities with shatter

you want me to keep going?

[wheat jay]

ye but its not immunity, or oneshot 100-0

[fickle forge]

War Banner too

[wheat jay]

so its dog spec with dog utility

[fickle forge]

Let's not pretend Bladestorm isn't CC immunity either

[dark topaz]

with 2 charges now too

and with anger management i feel like that's super quick recharge time

[boreal veldt]

Well only fury has 2 charge bs

[dark topaz]

oh right

[wheat jay]

nah

its not full full immunity

unless warr can 100-0 in one ms, and keep himself and everyone alive, while also having 100% uptime on anyone its dogshit and D teir

or so i heard

[dark topaz]

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332244414241964042/1177761866483769464/4395ab52609e88e45cd803b48297ec66.jpg?ex=66b951b6&is=66b80036&hm=cd89c2df3301580f21320676033e1b8b8ca538d3839b19116d86ee74fdfdc94e&

[wheat jay]

you laugh but thats this whole fucking discord

delusion left and right

[boreal veldt]

It IS the solulu

[wheat jay]

delulu

[leaden sail]

ofc arms have utility that COULD be insane in specific situation, but in RBG (especially blitz with no voice) you are kinda useless. Only big deal is shockwave and banner. everything else have long cds

its not bad bad, but most other specs have much better utility

[fickle forge]

Oh my god we talking RBG meta here?

[wheat jay]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

get used to it kargish

its new #1 content

we're bg players now

[fickle forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872557080819691591/1197960412843479140/IMG_0975.mov?ex=66b9a1d3&is=66b85053&hm=944e8de7ffa2aef79dab55078f9fd1cdc0e52c54abb19614e740a10c738d9b6e&

[wheat jay]

BLITZING NOW

glad mount from blitz when?

[leaden sail]

arms utility is fine in 3s arena. BGs and 2s its bad

[boreal veldt]

LMAO MAN HAD IT LOADED

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-plan-coping-kid-the-kid-is-coping-gif-26280717

[dark topaz]

even if we're talking bgs, utility is still high. Just because other people have even more that doesn't mean it's bad

[wheat jay]

who has more

ranged dps?

cuz theyre ranged?

[fickle forge]

Guys what's the best ninja caping build for arms?

[dark topaz]

idk man, ask him, i'm busy stealing his flag in warsong while crossing the map in 10 seconds with 2 charges intervene and leap

[wheat jay]

people say warr has no utility in bg but they never open their spellbooks XD

[dark topaz]

i miss when you could intervene your banners

[leaden sail]

why need people to be that toxic?

but hey, whatever

[fickle forge]

I mean you're coping that's all we're saying

Arms does good in 2s

[dark topaz]

Yeah

[leaden sail]

nah, you are toxic

[wheat jay]

no, tell me other specs with better utility for bg

[fickle forge]

Arms has great utility

[wheat jay]

melee

ok not even melee

just any

[fickle forge]

I would answer you, but if I disagree I am toxic

[wheat jay]

i can only think of shaman

with totems

maybe dk, cuz of grip

but thats one ability

so, shaman only?

[fickle forge]

Ret

[wheat jay]

in rbg their utility is ass

cuz its all one one target

warr utility is mostly aoe for whole group

[boreal veldt]

Rogue is close with cc ability but they never use it to benefit the group

[fickle forge]

It's full on immunity Artji

[wheat jay]

we're talking utility for the group

not surviving by yourelf for 10s

[fickle forge]

We're talking utility in general

[wheat jay]

for rbg

topic was rbg

we're talking rbg

[boreal veldt]

Duel can shut an entire ele's cleave go down for 12 sec

[fickle forge]

Yeah Einstein, and we argued Intervene is strong there too

[boreal veldt]

Wanna talk about toxic

[fickle forge]

So Spellwarding is busted in RBG as well

[wheat jay]

fair enough

[fickle forge]

As is sac

As is freedom

As is sanc

[dark topaz]

bop, lay

[wheat jay]

banner, rally, intervene, fear break

aoe slow/root

[boreal veldt]

Wish they kept spells on intervene as well hooooly

That change lasted like 1 week on beta

[lavish quest]

Tru brother

Rogue and mage can do it, why can't we?

[wheat jay]

reaaaaaaaaaaal

[rancid granite]

don't talk about rogues; ks is 30 sec cd now too - literally unplayable along with warrior

literally

[lavish quest]

It's crazy that arms went from 2 BS to 1 and fury went from 0 to 2.
"Arms bladestorm uptime was too high for the rotation (in PvE.)"
[So we're completely fine with it being that too high for fury.]
What 🤓 logic

[lavish quest]

It's beautiful ain't it? Only took 20 years poggers

Now we go to world of wizardcraft

[rancid granite]

literally can't even log on 😭

[lavish quest]

It's a sign to go touch the grass

[rancid granite]

gonna complain on reddit instead

[lavish quest]

🤓 ☝️

A MUD classic

[urban skiff]

which sub?

[rancid granite]

all of them

and whoever disagrees with me i will block and downvote

[urban skiff]

👀

[urban skiff]

You can do better than that

Arms didn't go from 2 bs to 1

Arms went from X bs over 3 minutes to under half. The increased cd also matters when counting bladestorms lost

Went from 1 min for 2 charges to 1½ min for 1 charge. Isn't that 66% reduction in bladestorms?

[lavish quest]

I forgot about the storm of destruct change

Ye, fck this game. I'm a mage main now

[urban skiff]

Play fury thane and accidentally 1shot a mage standing near your kill target

Or play fury slayer and do all the bladestorms

[fickle forge]

Thane is garbanzo

[urban skiff]

Thane is SSS tier

[wheat jay]

thane is shit apparently

like 30% behind slayer in pve

and by extension, will do much lower dps in pvp

[urban skiff]

bro what?

don't bladestorm deal significantly less damage in pvp?

[wheat jay]

you dont proc bladestorm

[fickle forge]

It used to do significantly more

Now it's reset to do tickle damage

[wheat jay]

its not bs, its just aoe hit of dmg

[urban skiff]

yea yea

but slayer is about reducing the cooldown on bladestorm, right?

[wheat jay]

so its not nerfed by any pvp modifiers on abilities

execute dmg

a lot of exe dmg

MUCH more raging blow dmg

[fickle forge]

Exe dmg nerf is

[urban skiff]

Isn't fury's problem low survivability?

[fickle forge]

What

[wheat jay]

no lmao

survi has good survivability

[fickle forge]

I thought you were the fury guy bro

[wheat jay]

and your wall is usable in stuns dude

how can you not know your own spec?

[urban skiff]

I'm A fury guy

[fickle forge]

You were supposed to be THE fury guy

[urban skiff]

People always say fury has plenty of damage and they struggle to survive

[fickle forge]

Fury has good survivability

It's uptime that sucks

[wheat jay]

cuz theyre stupid

and cant stay alive or not chase behind pillar

[lavish quest]

Wait, slayer isn't bladestorm procs anymore?

[fickle forge]

That was changed a lifetime ago

[wheat jay]

was changed long ass time ago ye

its just aoe proc

[lavish quest]

So they removed arms blademasters because slayer procs meant too many bladestorms... then removed the proc bladestorms and never gave back old blade masters?
Nani?

[urban skiff]

Guess slayer might be fun then. Still like the idea of thane

[lavish quest]

I must have been too busy touching grass to notice
Sorryyyyy

[wheat jay]

all will come down to tuning anyway

[urban skiff]

1 hundo

When are they disabling our set bonus?

[lavish quest]

Well whatever, if I play war it will fury anyways. Arms just seems so fckin lame now

[urban skiff]

DF.S3 2set is going to be ridiculous at 80 if they don't kill it. So when do they typically do that?

[lavish quest]

Have to press slam and shit now for negative damage

[urban skiff]

my man

[lavish quest]

[wheat jay]

whatever is stronger 👍

[lavish quest]

Tho fury also rampages less now....

[urban skiff]

fury has slam as well and very rarely a tiny hole in the rotation for it but I still use whirlwind just to be contrarian

fewer rampages from rage changes + level 80 s1 stats is going to hurt our MS uptime

[lavish quest]

So not warrior?

[wheat jay]

i mean

ill have dh survi and warr

for pvp whatever is strongest out of those 3

for pve whatever is strongest out of arms and fury xD

[lavish quest]

Ima level off the bat, war, pally, ww.

Dk if leveling's short enough

[urban skiff]

2x war, enh, aug, fistweaver

feral

that order, probs

[lavish quest]

Pve I'll probably stick to warrior. But I'll feel out ret/pally prot and ww/brew to see if they more fun this go

[urban skiff]

prot war always a solid pick in pve

[lavish quest]

(I usually just tank pve. Fuck dps queue times/LFG looking)

[urban skiff]

Never top, but never bottom

we're power switch

[lavish quest]

Ye, but if brew/ww are more fun from the rework, I'll consider giving it a go

I loved monk in mop

I loved warrior then too

[urban skiff]

I loved monk in MoP, best iteration of brewmaster. Clash was GOAT

And now we get clash back, I'm in

[lavish quest]

Similar event here lol

[urban skiff]

twins across time and space

now let's fist

Did they fix TWW fury only having 1h choices from quests?

It feels like that'll be significant when we do the 2500 quest if they haven't

[lavish quest]

Dunno personally, haven't been watching much of the beta

[urban skiff]

i stopped when they wiped last time

The kobolts are the fucking goat and nobody can tell me otherwise

give us kobolt allied race and I'll finally pay for a race change

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/were-back-its-over-gif-24400541

[lavish quest]

2 weeks before expansion vs 2 weeks after expansion. The battle forever rages on

[fossil mortar]

Forums will both call us out for being broken OP and unplayable, a tale old as time

[urban skiff]

I love this part of every season

[dense herald]

Snupy tier list put us as S

[urban skiff]

snupy is goat

3 of the specs I'm interested in are Stier. Aug B and enh F

[wheat jay]

fdk in B is cap

lmao

[urban skiff]

Not just that

His tier list is ordered from left to right

[violet fossil]

I’d put frost at least A

after those nerfs

[urban skiff]

The video is 2 days old, did they nerf stuff after he filmed it?

[violet fossil]

but have to see, xeek was demolishing

[wheat jay]

man's capping with his list

he's making one every two fucking days

[violet fossil]

I don’t keep up with that lol

[wheat jay]

clickbait

[urban skiff]

is capping good or bad word?

[violet fossil]

It means he

Making shit up

[wheat jay]

bad

ye, he's making shit up basically

[violet fossil]

frost mage seems horrendous to go against as a warrior though

[urban skiff]

Why? just bladestorm them and use charge to exit roots

#slayerlyfe

[violet fossil]

they have alot more roots

[urban skiff]

Fuck I just realized, there's a non-zero chance that we'll be changing hero talents inside the arena depending on matchup and I'd just really like if we couldn't do that

[violet fossil]

Wym?

[urban skiff]

Like you're locking into arms or fury before entering arena

[lavish quest]

Technically doesn't the term mean lying?

[urban skiff]

If they don't lock the hero talent choice upon entering arena we'll be changing in the ready room

[violet fossil]

ah

[violet fossil]

either or

[urban skiff]

I have no idea if it locks or not but I really really want to make that choice before the arena, not depending on my opponents

[lavish quest]

Hero talents are just talents but they're kawaii now. I see no reason why you wouldn't be allowed to change them

They said they will be changeable in the same way talents are

[wheat jay]

you can change them

[urban skiff]

🤮

[lavish quest]

Why is that a problem?

[wheat jay]

???

its just talents

[lavish quest]

We already know mage is gonna pick the gg free win go next one every time anyways

[urban skiff]

Like I said, I want to make that choice like I make my arms/fury choice, intead of choosing based on what is inside the arena in the other room

[wheat jay]

ok, I don't

[violet fossil]

lol

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-shrug-shrugging-oh-well-smiling-gif-8442787716374606454

[urban skiff]

It would feel more like character identity

[violet fossil]

Like what if you have your pve talents and you’d have to go with it

[wheat jay]

fuck character identity

iwant to win arena

[urban skiff]

is that any different from accidentally going as tank?

[lavish quest]

I identify with being able to change it. How bout that one?

[urban skiff]

just don't make that mistake

[urban skiff]

u do u

[violet fossil]

yes

[lavish quest]

Also... why the fuck does the root break on charge have an icd? It already had a CD. CALLED CHARGE'S CD

Reeeee

[violet fossil]

cause blizzard said

We’re gonna give frost mage more roots

[urban skiff]

Because they really like mages

[violet fossil]

And we don’t want warriors breaking more roots

[lavish quest]

Blizzard has already made 8 brain dead war changes for TWW. Why do I play this class?

[violet fossil]

Cause ur hoping they’ll make it fun again

[urban skiff]

tbh I'm ok with it

[violet fossil]

dk life

[dense herald]

COME ON MAN

17 wins out of 42 games

[urban skiff]

When they start losing despite us spending more time in roots than not, maybe they'll find something else to complain about

[dense herald]

ffs

[lavish quest]

I'm overdosing over here

[dense herald]

43 games

whats the winrate of that

[violet fossil]

lol

[dense herald]

another loss

ffs

im going insane

[lavish quest]

Are you doing big damage?

[urban skiff]

Did you try going fury?

[dense herald]

i am fury

[dense herald]

ive now lost 150 rating in 2 days

or 3 idk

i was 2.1k now 1950

[lavish quest]

Getting kills?

[dense herald]

ofc

[lavish quest]

Capping points?

[urban skiff]

try SMF

You'll still lose, but then you'll have a reason

[violet fossil]

you queuing after losing?

[dense herald]

wdym

[violet fossil]

tilt queuing

[dense herald]

yes

[violet fossil]

don’t do that lol

[rancid granite]

do dps to the right people

[violet fossil]

what about my left

[rancid granite]

no; too much AoE need to focus better

[urban skiff]

Play the meta instead of fighting

In EotS whisper whomever will listen and tell them to go to X base you're heading to.

In the ball map tell the group they deal extra damage to people with balls and that they'll do extra damage when holding balls.

etc

[lavish quest]

Just win. Simple really.

[urban skiff]

Hey what happened to that ndogofury guy?

Did he give up or did he get banned?

[violet fossil]

Africa took him back

[rancid granite]

i mean a game i did last night on i think the mines, we won, and the top KDA was enemy rogue with like 4x the kills of everyone else

high dmg 16 kills next was like 4 kills we still won

point: DONT BE A KDA PLAYER

[urban skiff]

Mines can be won with 0 killing, it's a fun and weird map

[violet fossil]

like how it’s supposed to be played

[lavish quest]

I still exchange message with him every now and then. He still exists.

[violet fossil]

by objectives u mean

[rancid granite]

mighta been eots tbh i dont remember but it happened

[lavish quest]

Ndogo must have thought yall lame

[rancid granite]

it's the cones of dunshire basically

[urban skiff]

Hope he comes back, it's a lot of pressure being "the fury guy"

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/cones-adam-scott-parks-and-rec-gif-10328494

epic reference to whoever watched parks and rec

[urban skiff]

what even is that?

I watched parks and rec and I don't even get that reference

[rancid granite]

made his own game, was losing, then came back win cause cones and rules tldr

https://youtu.be/etPLaJWVPY4?t=86

[dense herald]

ANOTHER LOSS COME ON

FFS

this is like 5 in a row

[urban skiff]

you should stream and put it in the VOD channel for help

[dense herald]

i had like a 5 win streak once

its not that im playing super bad

my team is clueless

[violet fossil]

bruh stop queuing lol

just making it worse for yourself

[dense herald]

bro i stopped yday came back and now lost 3 in a row

[violet fossil]

STAWPPPPP

[lavish quest]

Shush, he needs to learn

[violet fossil]

he’s gonna quit before tww

[lavish quest]

Forged by fire

[dense herald]

NEVER GIVE UP NEVER WHAT

wait was it the other way around

doesnt matter

[lavish quest]

If the Anvil breaks him, so be it

[dense herald]

getting ready for season 1 tww "forged"

[lavish quest]

Although... imagine caring about prepatch so much lul

[dense herald]

if i lose this next one im gonna go insane

im facing ppl 200 rating below me cuz mmr

[lavish quest]

Game says that's your level

[rancid granite]

posture check, hydration check after every game, maybe a few exercises every other game

keep grinding bro

[lavish quest]

50 push ups each loss

Get ripped in no time

With your win rate anyways

[violet fossil]

tendons and ligaments gonna snap

[dense herald]

i had like a 70% win rate and i was 2.1k

then i dropped to below 40%

[lavish quest]

So you can be fat when you get your win rate back up. Till then, shredded

[dense herald]

i am gonna do pushups after every game

cuz im fat

[rancid granite]

just balance it out with other muscles ok

[fossil mortar]

Noh, no leg day

[rancid granite]

dont wanna pwn your shoulders

[dense herald]

plank till next q

[lavish quest]

Somehow plank till next win

[cinder thorn]

lol

[dense herald]

I WON

gg

how now i have less mmr than b4 i won the last

[urban skiff]

zercher squat your wife 3x10 every loss

some light exercise to keep the blood flowing

[lavish quest]

At first I thought you were telling yourself to squat your wife and I was very confused.

[rancid granite]

lol 👀

[dense herald]

HOW ARE PEOPLE THIS BAD

I DONT UNDERSTAND

WHAT MY FC IS DOING

WE KILLED EFC HE DIDNT CAP AND SOMEONE ELSE GOT THE FLAG FROM OUR BASE

while he was at our base

this happened twice

[grand scaffold]

👋

so essentially

i decided spending my time on discord helping people learn wow for themselves

was a terrible use of my time

so i dipped

i got too many things to do atm

[grand scaffold]

im ngl vesa and that other furry

are the most annoying entities on planet earth

anyways

cya

[rancid granite]

lmao i miss that guy again already

[urban skiff]

Get yourself a weakaura that tells you when fc is in cc.

[sharp meteor]

sometimes not in a spot to

stacks are really aggressive

[cinder thorn]

I think you're taking the fury warrior role too literally

Maybe reroll monk for a bit

Go up the mountain

Chill

Maybe you find peace

You're starting to rage irl

Or get in a room with fluffy toys irl and rampage to get all rage out

https://tenor.com/view/angry-annoyed-stressed-gif-26272714

[rancid granite]

meanwhile monk:

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

just pummeling away

[urban skiff]

Monk is for bonk

[dense herald]

Meh im not that angry

I just type in big letters

[sharp meteor]

Me when I finally catch the Rogue

[peak sedge]

anyone has idea of pvp talents for beta? arms specially but i apreciate fury too, im new to warrior so i could use anything good enough

[cinder thorn]

Beta is for rich people

I wait until it releases

[distant wharf]

Do u use slam in pvp

[cinder thorn]

I am convinced that there are cheaters in arena and BGs

It's really putting me off playing going forward

They react with inhuman speeds they must have pixel recognition and scripts helping them

This rogue just now was just ending one person after another and you can't even keep track of what he's targeting

[urban skiff]

fury yes, arms probably not ever meaningfully

[urban skiff]

I can't even begin to list how many times a caster has tried to juke me, and I whiffed the juke so hard i catch the next cast in the first 0.1 second

[violet fossil]

you’ll always have that

why do you let it get to you?

[wheat jay]

some people have bots, some are just animals

[urban skiff]

and some are just lucky dumdums

[wheat jay]

yep

[rancid granite]

bots are super rare and always get pwned

[cinder thorn]

No I know how the pros play this isn't pro this is botting

There is no point for me to play pvp the whole point is the play against other people not perfectly programed bots with image recognition

[rancid granite]

poppin off and being playing so bad they play well is way more common tho

[cinder thorn]

No it's not a bot

Its assistance

[rancid granite]

so after you played 80 games in 2 days you had 1 moment where a rogue was playing SUS

[wheat jay]

dont play pvp then if theres no point

[cinder thorn]

Like when this is cast cast this

Cast this then this and if this process cast this

[rancid granite]

youll be ok

[cinder thorn]

Pvp by definition is player vs player

Not player vs AI assisted player

[lavish quest]

Image recognition eh?

[cinder thorn]

Yes

[lavish quest]

Not convinced bots use images

[urban skiff]

just don't play a caster

kickbot won't affect you

[sharp meteor]

Alpha/beta are often free.

Well, they always are.

[urban skiff]

You get beta access by preordering TWW

so in this case, you're either lucky or rich

[sharp meteor]

Ye, that's new.

[urban skiff]

Pretty sure they had that for SL as well

[lavish quest]

Don't think so

[urban skiff]

And we could also get accesss to MoP beta by doing something specific, now I think about it

was it 6 month signup?

[lavish quest]

MoP did tho

[sharp meteor]

Mop was like a decade ago man 💀

[urban skiff]

so not exactly new

[lavish quest]

And?

[fickle forge]

Blizzard going further and further down the money path

Remember when you could actually get some stuff for free

Like beta access

[rancid granite]

more money = more money for pvp devs = better pvp

check m8

[urban skiff]

I've been in every beta except original WoW and BC

I don't think I bought every access

[fickle forge]

I don't remember ever seeing it

[sharp meteor]

Ye, I feel like I always get alpha/beta

[rancid granite]

the 3 day early access pretty damn greedy tho

[urban skiff]

Trick is you gotta sign up for the beta to get access

[sharp meteor]

and so do most people I know

[fickle forge]

But what I do know is that shit's getting ludicrously expensive

[sharp meteor]

I mean half the playerbase gonna buy it so

[urban skiff]

it's not extra money for early access. It's save money if you're ok with waiting a few days to play

[sharp meteor]

even when it doesn't really do anything

[urban skiff]

[lavish quest]

Why is beta access prio'd to furries

[sharp meteor]

Must be all the bug reports I submit regarding cheek fluff clipping.

[urban skiff]

they need people with open minds, not regular redditors

[fickle forge]

Just like how they released a mythic skin for a hero in OW that costs 65$

[rancid granite]

pay to test release and experience first hand bugs and server issues :D

[sharp meteor]

Did they really lmao

[fickle forge]

Imagine if they made a 65$ 2h sword tmog in WoW

[urban skiff]

scuffed hp

[fickle forge]

It's completely insane

Diablo 4 also had insane price tags

[sharp meteor]

I mean they could put a 1 thousand dollar mog in the shop and it'd be purchased by somebody

[lavish quest]

Not sure I'd describe it as open...

[fickle forge]

League released a 500$ skin that's being bought

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, the fakerpack

a guy who doesn't use skins

here's a 500 hundred dollar pack

in his honor

[rancid granite]

lmao was about to mention the faker pack

[lavish quest]

There's always a fool with too much money

[rancid granite]

$_$

[sharp meteor]

Idk why anybody would want another person to know they spent hundreds or thousands of bucks on a cosmetic

maybe it's a china thing

[urban skiff]

I'm paying because I wanted the transmog goodies and also get to play over the weekend so I only have to take friday off

[rancid granite]

do you realize how many e-girls gonna be hitting up that sugar daddy with a faker skin?

[fickle forge]

Glad mount recolour available for 300$ soon

[sharp meteor]

can buy glad itself for a few hundred and most dont get removed

was ribbin some guy in here for buying it again

[lavish quest]

Better not be one of these shit bats

[urban skiff]

today it's skins. Years ago it was men with fancy watches and shoes.
Literally nothing has changed

[rancid granite]

ngl id get it too but its out of the budget ;_;

lol

[urban skiff]

Least you don't have to buy it twice

The pain of a wife that games is I have to buy every game twice

[fickle forge]

At least that shit's real man

[lavish quest]

Just don't have a wife, easy fix

[fickle forge]

I still respect the 200k BMW purchase more than a 500$ skin

[urban skiff]

the items are real but their worth isn't. Like diamonds the cost is inflated BECAUSE they act as status symbols. Perhaps it's time to accep that we're just old and don't understand the younger generation's version of peacocking

[fickle forge]

What are you talking about man

[lavish quest]

I don't think league skins peacock that well

[fickle forge]

The fact something is real over virtual makes it way more worth

[urban skiff]

There's nothing going into a 200k BMW that is worth that cost. It's a luxury item and you're paying the difference between the object that would have served the purpose and the one you bought. Complaining about a 500 dollar skin is weird when people pay for a 150k skin to upgrade from a 50k toyota to a 200k BMW

[lavish quest]

"Hey babee, let me show you my league profile"

[sharp meteor]

[fickle forge]

Eksdee

Save some pussy for the rest of us

[urban skiff]

And don't come at me with "the car retains value". I was a mechanic for 4 years and the salespeople at the dealership were laughing at every single customer

[fickle forge]

If I flaunt my 200k BMW I'd def get more attention and eyes than if I do my 500$ skin

[urban skiff]

Yes. Because you paid 199500 more for it

I'd get more attention with a 5 mio yacht than you'd do with a 200k BMW

that's how value works

[fickle forge]

Bump it up to 200k skin then

It's almost like the more costs, the less you wanna flaunt how much you spent on it

[urban skiff]

I'm just saying, there's nothing in a 200k BMW that justifies that cost. The individual parts are not of significantly higher quality than any other newer car

[fickle forge]

Skins are virtual man

[lavish quest]

How soon will we get there?

[fickle forge]

I agree

I ain't saying it is

[urban skiff]

That's my point. The price has been raised to make it a status symbol. Just like the cost of the skin has

[fickle forge]

Yeah but the BMW actually brings some status along with it

An expensive skin just drags your status down

[urban skiff]

We don't have to understand the people who buy that skin. But we can attempt to understand the behavior. Yea we don't get impressed by it, but we're not the ones they're trying to impress.

You definitely don't buy a 200k BMW to impress your 58 year old neighbours

[urban skiff]

with you. Not their peers

[fickle forge]

Bro how old are you

[urban skiff]

we are not the target audience

like a billion

[fickle forge]

You're talking like we're 3 generations apart

[urban skiff]

I assume we are, we might not be. I'm 38

[fickle forge]

Ah yeah I get it then

But I'm just saying dude

I personally know no one who'd think highly of an expensive skin

But I still know many people who'd appreciate an expensive watch

Old and young alike

[kind sentinel]

I mean in wow terms its like having a spectral tiger ig

[lavish quest]

I'll appreciate your expensive skin anytime papi

[fickle forge]

I bought a Doomfist skin for 2$

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[urban skiff]

what's up with solo shuffle MMR right now?

why's mine this absurdly high?

[sharp meteor]

Those really are getting up there in price nowadays.

[urban skiff]

6k USD last i checked

[sharp meteor]

For both? That seems kind of low.

[peak sedge]

bcs you won the first ones probably?

its always like this or maybe less exagerated

[urban skiff]

I didn't do anything this season

like at all

[peak sedge]

what was your cr last season u played

[sharp meteor]

mmr rolls over between seasons sir

my alts mmr on her first game was like 2400 or something

and i hadn't queued since obsidian

[peak sedge]

y

[sharp meteor]

it was their way to keep people out of noob pool which makes sense but god is it annoying

to queue an alt and be relatively high mmr in honor gear

[urban skiff]

like 1700

[sharp meteor]

well inflation last seas was roughly

so a new char started s4 at like 1950-1975ish mmr

towards the end

[peak sedge]

guys im testing warrior arms in beta solo shuffle, i have no clue about warrior, just copied checkpvp talents but could be from pve and he changed them, and the new 'hero' ones i just improvised, i think this is way better tried both colossus and slayer and slayer seems better imo

[urban skiff]

Colossus i sone of those herotalents that looks good on paper but in reality will feel pretty shit to play in live setting without proper setup. Probably why you're jiving with slayer

[fickle forge]

My green geared warr was 2450 mmr on its first shuffle

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, and you get nothing for binning mmr so bis strat is to play other brackets

what's wild to me is that I got 2400 s2, didn't play for s3, came back mid s4 and was stil same mmr

I guess it kind of makes sense to not reset the data but ehh

[distant wharf]

Fury or arms what u guys play

[sharp meteor]

All threeeee.

[urban skiff]

fury. Don't have to be good, just have to be fun

I'm half of mind to try out SMV

On my dummy tests I've averaged the same dps within 1k like every time

So for me it's just a +10% movement talent to buy into

[lavish quest]

No two handers then tho

[urban skiff]

so no longer fury tax on conq

[cinder thorn]

Play random bgs until u get back into the zone then it saves u climbing from.scratch

[sharp meteor]

YEah, dailies/weeklies and placement abuse for 2s/3s or conq boxes to get caught up

[sharp meteor]

Ya but smf tax which is probably worse

[cinder thorn]

Explain fury/smf tax please

What do u mean

[sharp meteor]

so fury suffers from bad conq economy due to having to buy a second 2h

the thing is that offhand doesn't really matter

and having a non conq one only sets you back a small amount

[cinder thorn]

It's just a stat stick

OK

Thx

[sharp meteor]

all weps are stat sticks

mainhand just huge stat stick

like diff between honor and conq dagger for rogue is less than 1%

[urban skiff]

think of it this way:
Arms warriors are balanced around having a 525 2h weapon
Fury are balanced around having two 525 2h weapons

[sharp meteor]

fury is slightly more than that

[urban skiff]

Your offhand accounts for roughly 1/3 of your weapon damage budget