Blizz also instantly nerfs PvP gear as soon as it becomes a viable gearing strat for PvE
#pvp
fickle forge
lavish quest
Pve gearing doesn't take a ton of time anyways, so you can finish that up and then just pvp.
fickle forge
If anything Plunderstorm showed you can attract a bunch of people if the cosmetics are good
And we still had a bunch of people complain they had to PvP in a battle royal gamemode
fossil mortar
Plunderstorm got the advantage of simplicity and access
lavish quest
Plunderstorm got the advantage of simplicity and access
But it also didn't gear your main for pve?
fossil mortar
Time investment is hugely different. PS is instant and 5-10 min game. Not 30min que for a 10 min game.
fickle forge
I'm guessing you're refering to shuffle now
fossil mortar
There is no comparing PvP and PS, as PS is the superior mode of the two for a casual base
That won't help get ppl into WoW PvP tho
fickle forge
Sure there is
People care for aesthetics
Aesthetics make people wanna get something
Sure gear and power matters too, but literally the only reason anyone ever gets 1800 or glad is because of the mogs and mounts
fossil mortar
There are already mogs and mounts for PVP. What is your point? That it needs even better cosmetics? If so I can agree it would help.
fickle forge
That it needs more and better yes
fossil mortar
You want as many insensitives as possible, you can have more than one thing.
fickle forge
Weird how we have a massive wall of people that stop at 1800 and 2400
fossil mortar
I fail to see your point. Afro at least interacted with the idea. You seem to be arguing against, for what reason? Because we are not in disagreement about cosmetics as a pull factor.
wheat jay
what idea?
fossil mortar
Gear as a pull factor for pvp or removal as a wall between the two.
sharp meteor
Blizz also instantly nerfs PvP gear as soon as it becomes a viable gearing strat...
Sinful was so cracked.
lavish quest
Rewards are lackluster, gameplay/balance is ass, queue times are forever, and MMR is bricked. There are the issues with pvp
fickle forge
Gear as a pull factor for pvp or removal as a wall between the two.
I mean we've been over this a couple of times already
fickle forge
Sinful was so cracked.
Sitful gladiator was wild
sharp meteor
Balance isn't that bad, everybody has a good comp.
sharp meteor
Sitful gladiator was wild
That gave us rival's unchained soul eaters
Inflation and its consequences
fickle forge
We went from ultra deflation to super inflation
elfin surge
sinful wasnt deflated they nerfed mmr mid season which made everyone stop qing
fickle forge
Yeah so it got deflated
sharp meteor
sinful wasnt deflated they nerfed mmr mid season which made everyone stop qing
I thought people just all quit after they got their rewards so top end of the ladder sat mmr
It wasn't ideal regardless
fickle forge
Nah they nerfed MMR mid-season
And then everybody stopped because their R1 spots were pretty much secure
Q'ing up meant losing rating
sharp meteor
Yuh.
elfin surge
there was only a few active r1 spots at the end that were pushable
more than half the spots were basically secured
unobtainable cr
i sat my main that season because there was no reason to queue it as did everyone else
but i did push alts at the end anyways
fickle forge
Yeah which kind of made it worse
Anyone trying to push 2400 were facing the R1s playing alts since they couldn't Q mains
wheat jay
Gear as a pull factor for pvp or removal as a wall between the two.
as in having pvp gear working in pve?
no thanks
shouldn't exist
maybe just have same ilvl gear as pve, but with pvp stats, pvp power and pvp resilience
so its viable, but never best
or close to best
like in WoD iirc
wheat jay
im fairly sure WoD had pvp power and pvp resilience
lavish quest
Nah, it was the first time they had the pvp scaling gear
But TBC to MOP had power and resil
wheat jay
ok i might be in the wrong here
so ye, pvp power and resil
then same ilvl as pve gear
you'd lose on stats
but would still be playable
lavish quest
Mop was peak
fierce elm
Queue times being ass is purely a solo shuffle issue
MMR is wack
Also why the FUCK is there a r1 for solo shuffle but not 2s
what the fuck BLIZZARD
fossil mortar
but would still be playable
That would be the goal, to have it so you could do well in PvP and enter your raid without being miles behind, if you did the m+ instead.
We only got X time to play.
If PvP is all cosmetic it must wait till after pve gearing is done.
That is my main issue about gearing.
fossil mortar
Not even top5
fickle forge
That would be the goal, to have it so you could do well in PvP and enter your ra...
This makes no sense though
fossil mortar
How so?
fickle forge
Why would you have to delay PvP because you're gearing PvE
lavish quest
Not even top5
3 of the top 5 was Magnusz. Just Magnusz.
fossil mortar
Why would you have to delay PvP because you're gearing PvE
PvE is the main game mode, as such gets priority by most
fickle forge
Okay, but why does it conflict with PvP if it's all cosmetics
violet fossil
But TBC to MOP had power and resil
only mop had power
fossil mortar
Okay, but why does it conflict with PvP if it's all cosmetics
Time you got to play, you could go for PvP cosmetics. Or pve and get PvE power
fossil mortar
It is a great change, fr.
fickle forge
Time you got to play, you could go for PvP cosmetics. Or pve and get PvE power
Nah I don't see how this conflicts at all bro
wheat jay
Nah I don't see how this conflicts at all bro
If you play pvp, and pve
You handicap yourself in one of them
By going for either pvp or pve vault
fickle forge
We're not talking about vault
wheat jay
We are
fickle forge
But even then, you barely lose power by going for PvE vault over PvP
Yeah you are
We aren't
fossil mortar
Nah I don't see how this conflicts at all bro
You got 1 hour, you raid so you want to gear for that. You can a) farm cosmetics, or b) farm gear ilvl.
What is more efficient and valuable use of that 1 hour?
wheat jay
Weapon 1st week is busted
fickle forge
You might lose out the first 2 or 3 weeks
Where pushing rating doesn't even matter at all
Being on ladder this season meant you were 1900 for like the first month or so
sharp meteor
Anyone trying to push 2400 were facing the R1s playing alts since they couldn't ...
Hey, not unlike now. 
wheat jay
You might lose out the first 2 or 3 weeks
Or if you dont pvp until later
Then you're fucked until farm 10k conq or so
sharp meteor
Weapon 1st week is busted
Going from unchained duelist wep to cosmic duelist wep from my first vault felt like actual insanity.
wheat jay
Going from unchained duelist wep to cosmic duelist wep from my first vault felt ...
Had the same
sharp meteor
Feeling like the hand of god for a few days.
lavish quest
You got 1 hour, you raid so you want to gear for that. You can a) farm cosmetics...
That's personal preference and a choice ya gotta make.
Not being able to gear in pvp for pve is not an issue
wheat jay
Was busted
fickle forge
Going from unchained duelist wep to cosmic duelist wep from my first vault felt ...
That was Shadowlands though
sharp meteor
Just pulled duelist wep from 3 of my 4 warrior vaults.
sharp meteor
That was Shadowlands though
Missing her and being the main character. 
fickle forge
Back when we had to spend like 100k honor to upgrade the entry level gear
wheat jay
Best would be for pvp power and resilience to return
fickle forge
You got 1 hour, you raid so you want to gear for that. You can a) farm cosmetics...
That sounds like life and prioritising your time in general my guy
fossil mortar
That's personal preference and a choice ya gotta make.
Not being able to gear in...
It might have been forgotten, but we are talking about the larger playermass and how to get them to dabble.
violet fossil
I miss upgrading with honor
fickle forge
L
sharp meteor
I miss upgrading with honor
Honestly same kind of. 😵💫 I've never played as much as I did in SL.
fickle forge
Didn't realise there were people out there missing the SL grind
violet fossil
didn’t they lower it in Df s1
fossil mortar
I only remember having fun SLs1 gearing with PvP, blasting raid. Then SL was all downhill pve world farm...
fierce elm
I never grabbed PvP vault when doing both m+ and pvp except if it had a weapon
or tier piece
violet fossil
Honestly same kind of. 😵💫 I've never played as much as I did in SL.
got people to bg more I think
fierce elm
Best would be for pvp power and resilience to return
hunter fomo reroller take
violet fossil
I’d always get 4 other people to group with had fun
fierce elm
Give r1 and titles to 2s, give more cosmetics/rewards
ez pz
Remove conq, introduce Templates again
fickle forge
Yah Idk
violet fossil
no templates
sharp meteor
got people to bg more I think
Yeah, that was cool.
Everybody wanting to blast bgs.
Now bgs pointless again in terms of rewards. 🥹
violet fossil
fact is most people can’t break 1800
fickle forge
I for one despised grinding 130k honor, conq, renown, soul ash, conduits, legendary power, gold for said legendary etc.
fierce elm
Fact is most people cant break 1400
sharp meteor
I did it and I'd do it again.
violet fossil
I mean you’re only grinding for honor lol
sharp meteor
Although the conduits from korthia blew ngl but weren't really needed.
violet fossil
Now*
fickle forge
Yeah and that's good with me
violet fossil
Well before the flightstone change
fickle forge
I don't wanna grind to play PvP
fierce elm
Lets not go back to Shadowlands lmao
wheat jay
Choosable templates*
This would be the best
fossil mortar
I for one despised grinding 130k honor, conq, renown, soul ash, conduits, legend...
No covenant swapping, waiting for respecs, if it was time unfriendly it was baked into shadowlands
fierce elm
I love how its the exact same thing people are circlejerking over since like MoP
lmao
”PVP DYING”
wheat jay
But sadly blizz wants some weird progression...
fierce elm
”WOW DYING”
fickle forge
Nobody was playing late Shadowlands either, and it was the grindiest shit ever
sharp meteor
glad isn't top 11k people gg dead game
wheat jay
I meaaaan, pvp is slowly losing players
fierce elm
Lets circlejerk this furthe
wheat jay
Rather than gaining
fickle forge
No covenant swapping, waiting for respecs, if it was time unfriendly it was bake...
Yeah was abysmal
sharp meteor
apalling that blizz won't fix mmr so it's good like it was in crimson smh my head
fossil mortar
WoW is not dying, but growing. PvP is fading tho
fickle forge
Fixing mmr would be a good start
fierce elm
As it always has been at the end of a season at the end of a parch
fierce elm
especially since next patch doesnt bring snything new exactly
But again, step out of your solo shuffle grindset and wow insta queues
fierce elm
”PvP dying guys” like this hasnt been said since every expansion ever
violet fossil
I meant to say retail
wheat jay
”PvP dying guys” like this hasnt been said since every expansion ever
It's not really gaining audience
violet fossil
it’s losing more than gaining
fierce elm
No shit lmao why would anyone queue rn
wheat jay
Everyone I know who rarely dabbled in pvp for some 1800 elite gear doesn't even do that anymore
wheat jay
It'll gain when the next inflation wave comes
Hopefully
violet fossil
No shit lmao why would anyone queue rn
people are gonna que rn
fierce elm
Thats what im saying lmao
wheat jay
Easy kfc glad
violet fossil
especially towards the end
fickle forge
Yeah we'll see about that dude
violet fossil
but season 3 had overall less players queuing than season 2
fierce elm
I mean rating gain is abyssmal, mmr is wack for people who want easy stuff
end of a patch and s4 doesnt introduce anything new
mild quartz
i'm hard stuck 2.1k any good tips
wheat jay
5k gamers
fickle forge
i'm hard stuck 2.1k any good tips
Go gym and come back stronger
mild quartz
Go gym and come back stronger
cheesy
violet fossil
i'm hard stuck 2.1k any good tips
None of these guys have that sharp of a jawline
fossil mortar
PvP also suffered a lot from the boosting stigma. A lot of casual players now think they got to buy a glad boost, or play Vs glads. So... they chose to avoid that all together.
fierce elm
kek
I like the fact thst ladder is hard
No easy glads here BABY
cant just boost a hunter reroller as 2 average players
wheat jay
No easy glads here BABY
Will be easy cuz I'm just that good
Wtf is that avatar Afro
Fucking illuminati teletubbies sun baby?
fickle forge
Will be easy cuz I'm just that good
You aren't though cause you never stay sharp smh smh
wheat jay
You aren't though cause you never stay sharp smh smh
Always sharp
fossil mortar
Problem is, no gearing and no hope, long que times, no fun and too big of a wall. PvP got top many factors pushing the casual away.
I really do hope blitz blows some life back into the scene.
wheat jay
Don't need to
fickle forge
Yeah I'm just gonna send that to James rq
fossil mortar
Gala dont have to improve. The ones above him will fade out over time, no new blood is coming in pushing from below.
Secure like s mountain 
fierce elm
Wtf is that avatar Afro
Its Gojira album cover
my first season ever pvp paladin is gonna wreck the scene
fickle forge
It's only shuffle that has long Q time
fierce elm
I think I called that solo shuffle would suck in SL or BfA
fossil mortar
have you stepped outta solo shuffle
I rather not waste 30 min trying to find ppl, do 1 game, disband, spend 30 min finding a new set of guys.
fickle forge
And no healer Qs shuffle cause it's complete garbage
fickle forge
You got half the agency of the outcome of a game and you also get half the rating and mmr for winning
sharp meteor
Shuffle is the "my partners aren't on" mode.
fierce elm
Find a healer close to you in rating in 2s, apply, get accepted, run games
repeat
Add for more games some other days
suddenly you have 40 people on your friendslisr that you can game with
violet fossil
I rather not waste 30 min trying to find ppl, do 1 game, disband, spend 30 min f...
you can find people
fierce elm
I found my dumbass 3s people here kek
fossil mortar
I know the process, done it a hundred times. Still, cba
fossil mortar
For the casual it is
fierce elm
So its specifically solo shuffle
violet fossil
even casually
fierce elm
As someone who was extremely casual before starting to PvP, I found LFG quite easy and good to use
Its basic networking
fickle forge
Finding people for arena was usually never an issue for me
fierce elm
Same
fossil mortar
Both, casual dont know how network or know that they should
fierce elm
I went in with 0cr and 0xp and found healers regardless
Casuals dont know how to add to a friend list because they enjoyed playing together?
I agree with most of your takes and ideas but thats just wack
fossil mortar
Guys, dont look for confirmation bias in here. This is the top 10% at least. Not casual.
fierce elm
But we have all had the casual experience
wheat jay
I had guildies who'd wanna Q as well
Real
fierce elm
And we also know that finding healers and partners through LFG is a non-issue
Or even discords
fickle forge
I know Artji is boosting a friend of his right now just cause they're friends
fierce elm
If you are a nerd enough to grab WoW and play it to 70 you have discord installed
And if you have discord installed you have the brain capacity of joining servers
fossil mortar
I will let the echo go on 
fierce elm
Like wdym they dont know how to use LFG lmao
fickle forge
Bro's in denial
fierce elm
I boost Kargish in 2s on his shaman
wheat jay
I can boost any healer homie
fossil mortar
They really dont. Not in Pve and not pvp
wheat jay
Keyword being homie
fierce elm
Yet m+ and raiding are popular as fuck
violet fossil
Like wdym they dont know how to use LFG lmao
it’s not that
violet fossil
people want to just do it and be done about it
fossil mortar
And still the casual dont know how to network
violet fossil
nowadays
fierce elm
So then its just a wow-wide issue and not pvp related
fickle forge
This was the first time I ever did shuffle as a healer btw
fossil mortar
Afro hit the nail on the head, gj
fierce elm
I mean I have no issue with it being a wow-wide issue
violet fossil
-200 mmr for going 4-2
deserved
wheat jay
This was the first time I ever did shuffle as a healer btw
Disgusting animal
fierce elm
LFR has been a mistake and so has Dungeon finder
for the overall ”Community” feel of the game
But finding people is a non issue and everyone has the resource to do so
But I cant help if they dont want to do that lmao
fickle forge
Disgusting animal
It's wild dude lmao
fierce elm
sick 0-6 man
fierce elm
fuuuck
fickle forge
All the dps sitting 40 minute in Q for the other healer to leave in the starting room
fierce elm
In fact, I would say finding people to PvP with is easier than finding m+ grouos dont @ me
fossil mortar
Anyone can do so, but there is a wall. This is a game. It is 2024, so ppl don't bother.
Them crashing and stopping will become an issue over time. As playerbase goes stale.
violet fossil
In fact, I would say finding people to PvP with is easier than finding m+ grouos...
it is easier
fierce elm
There is always some chad dude who has 9 r1s playing his alt in LFG
violet fossil
if ur a certain spec sometimes they’ll treat you like a second class citizen
fierce elm
My first 2400 was with a dude who hadnt played in a year but had 6x glad xp lmao
He was like 1800 or something
We vibed, added eachother and played a lot, now he plays classic only
fickle forge
Like 2 days ago James and I Q'd into Cysbb playing with his homies
fierce elm
Karg/Artji were found through here lmao
fickle forge
Man's 3.5k and he's just vibing with his homies now
fierce elm
Solo shuffle is the LFR of PvP and it BLOWS
Cant believe they made solo shuffle 3s tbh
and not 2s which is a lot easier to get into
wheat jay
I got kargish tricked so hard he agreed to do glad run with me lmao
0 xp dude
All it took was killing him in for honor easy
fierce elm
carried s m h
fossil mortar
How would they balance 2s double DPS?
wheat jay
carried s m h
Coached
fierce elm
2 dps 2 healers
less rounds
make it a casual af gamemode to introduce people to PvP
fossil mortar
That would be blitz
fickle forge
Problem is that 2s is way more unbalanced
fierce elm
Yeah but its also way easier
fossil mortar
Double warr is fun in small doses
fierce elm
does it feel good to play double warr lmao
WoW pvp just suffers from the same things fighting games suffers from
The wall of learning, finding the fun in losing AND winning
And being generally less popular types of games
fickle forge
I mean that's fine
WoW PvP is, Imo, the hardest game in the world
I like it that way
fossil mortar
Hey, blitz allow you more combat, more fun, more room to learn basics and hopefully at a good quebpace.
fierce elm
Saw someone pitch Plunderstorm but as a legit arena gamemode which was interesting
Four abilities, mix and match
Fun idea
fossil mortar
That would suck balls, warrior Vs feral? Just kill me now.
fierce elm
Mix and match abilities
fickle forge
Hey, blitz allow you more combat, more fun, more room to learn basics and hopefu...
Problem is it teaches you no arena fundamentals
fierce elm
the same 2s or 3s format
So healer/dps
or healer/dps/dos
dps*
Sounded interesting
fossil mortar
Problem is it teaches you no arena fundamentals
It gets you to start playing with the idea, baby steps is how you get some to start into a sprint over a lifetime
fierce elm
Or just give pvpers max geared pvp characters without the leveling lmao
That can earn rewards but not do anything else except PvP
thats the me that hates leveling
fossil mortar
Could be a solution, as long it mirrors your character and doesn't cause distance between the two.
As player investment is key for WoW
Split, and ppl are more likely to quit, big sadge
wheat jay
thats the me that hates leveling
Gw1 had such a thing
You had everything unlocked
Max lvl
Gear runes etc
You just couldn't pve with it
fickle forge
Imagine if you could level from PvP 🤔
fossil mortar
You can tho
violet fossil
You can tho
Not as much as you used to
fickle forge
I mean hardly possible
fossil mortar
Fair, I wouldn't know. I just do degen farmd
wheat jay
Imagine if you could level from PvP 🤔
Ngl pvp char only would be fun
I'd make monk for it
Frost dk
Feral
fickle forge
Ngl pvp char only would be fun
Idk why you wanna alt specs that don't suit your style at all though
Monk I get
wheat jay
Why not
Maybe I'd find it fun
I'm tempted to play monk, I'd like to play frost dk in pvp too
fierce elm
Outlaw is sixk
wheat jay
Outlaw is sixk
Gay
fierce elm
fomo reroller
wheat jay
fomo reroller
Gay
violet fossil
Outlaw is sixk
Gay
fickle forge
Frost is also straight up bad
violet fossil
yes and bad
fickle forge
No it isn't.
sharp meteor
It's not my fault most of them aren't playing it properly.
fickle forge
What are you on your frost DK rn?
fickle forge
Figured you were playing frost if you say everyone else plays it wrong
sharp meteor
Not all of them, just the overwhelming majority. ^^
Imagine how annoying fdk/dev would be if they tuned around 2k shuffle play
fickle forge
FDK is pretty much limited to 1 comp, and it's not even the best comp for the deva
violet fossil
and that comp is hella cancerous
fickle forge
FDK gets ran over before the 2nd go anyway
sharp meteor
Skill issue.
violet fossil
even xeek doesn’t like frost rn
fickle forge
It's just bad
sharp meteor
Wym his whole playstyle for years was the gimmick run until 1-shot
even in SL that's all he'd play
fickle forge
Obliterate with every CD still hits for less than Exe and MS
sharp meteor
That's about as ignorant as Rogues complaining that backstab only does 10k damage.
violet fossil
it’s not
fickle forge
Why
violet fossil
frost is bad lol
violet fossil
like majority of frost players hate it
fickle forge
There are no FDK players because it's terrible, only a few enthusiasts like the setup and one shot style of draco cleave
violet fossil
the cutoff for frost in ss is 2465
sharp meteor
I thought we were talking about real modes.
grand scaffold
Obliterate with every CD still hits for less than Exe and MS
obliterate does not hit for less than execute
or ms
on avg's
fallen estuary
Holy shit frost isnt bad lmfao
fickle forge
obliterate does not hit for less than execute
What do you see it hit for?
At most I can make my own and seen others hit for 220k
And I mean outside of pillar Obliterate is like Slam without the proc
fierce elm
FROST SUUUUCKS
fickle forge
Holy shit frost isnt bad lmfao
Why not podolski
fallen estuary
Uhh english
grand scaffold
for pvp its semi-decent
?
fallen estuary
FROST SUUUUCKS
Mr gojira album cover frost isnt bad
fierce elm
BLOOOWS
fierce elm
Frost OWNS
lavish quest
Nerf frost. Clearly OP
violet fossil
only cause it’s 1 comp got it that far
wheat jay
frost deva?
violet fossil
frost deva?
ye
sharp meteor
oh no i see prot pvp
That's me. 😁
violet fossil
makes u not spell reflect duh
sharp meteor
<@129440991294783488>
Why aren't you prot you massive dork
fallen estuary
getting 2400 first before next week
sharp meteor
Aight fair
fallen estuary
was 2300 but got knocked down by the most trash lobbies in existance
i got a arcane and frost mage 0-6 and then into a 3 loss healer quit
1900 back up 2100
not bad
sharp meteor
i like how he was like
safe r1 and he's like
imma queue up
idk if giant balls or massive dumbass
grand scaffold
safe r1 and he's like
he threw in my game
grand scaffold
Rendlol is a goat
yo afro open your dm
wheat jay
Sometimes people don't care
grand scaffold
idk how he even got there playing sks
hard to do
this list is hella interesting
modern veldt
anyone have 1 or 2 single minded fury talent setups i can copy off of?
earnest thorn
Why you wanna do that to yourself
modern veldt
because i've played dark souls before and i know what suffering is
fallen estuary
yea youre not going to be i-framing rolls in arena with SMF lmao
modern veldt
whatever
modern veldt
not until they fix frost dk
lucid walrus
not until they fix frost dk
what did he mean by this
violet fossil
what did he mean by this
frost dk sucks
lucid walrus
it's true
modern veldt
its bad when a rogue which is in essence wearing less than a sub rogue did in classic can 2 to 3 hit whats supposed to be a walking frozen heavy hitting juggernaut
bright kraken
@fickle forge how to gett 2.4k this week
wheat jay
O_O
fierce elm
by gaining rating BABY
fickle forge
<@278157108791476224> how to gett 2.4k this week
Go gym and get stronk and then slam some sub lock mains
bright kraken
Go gym and get stronk and then slam some sub lock mains
better question then how do i play against lock/with caster
i've tried to push while i can
just wanna see if there's something i'm missing
when am i supposed to los?
fickle forge
Ask @fierce elm, he deals a lot of damage
bright kraken
what do i do if the ranged are having a dogfight, and going to attack something means i get hit?
fickle forge
better question then how do i play against lock/with caster
Uptime is the most important really
fierce elm
WOW OKAY DUDE
fickle forge
You will be taking dick when you're warr vs caster cleave
bright kraken
or what if the least favourable of the kill targets is closer
bright kraken
like once i had a maldraxxus arena that had this (green, healer)
blue, ele shaman
black, shadow priest
purple, warlock
where priest is preferred target
but uhh they're on the other side of the map
what i do ther
just afk behind pillar?
attack ele and let priest nut on me?
wheat jay
Ask <@144859308557860864>, he deals a lot of damage
Cr check
wheat jay
Decent
fickle forge
attack ele and let priest nut on me?
You attack ele yeah, your lock has to push up with you
You can't drag yourself to their pillar when your team afks on your pillar and hits ele
That's the melee life, your positioning is dictated by the casters
bright kraken
ddo you think that lobby would even be winnable
fickle forge
ddo you think that lobby would even be winnable
Yes
You're favoured even
Provided the lock wasn't destro
fickle forge
so caster lobbies just hit the closest target most of the time
Depends on positioning
If a caster stands on your healer, I'd swap provided you have mid momentum
If your team doesn't push with you, then you can't chase your prefered target
wheat jay
and now we are ret warr
Climbing up the meta picks ladder?
bright kraken
when do you swap?
i've seen a fair few games where hpal is kill target from get go
and this is like
shrug
when is it advised to split dps? had a ret trying to get me to go dk/ww while they tunneled holy paladin in hpal/UH/ww vs Hpri/arms/ret
wheat jay
when is it advised to split dps? had a ret trying to get me to go dk/ww while th...
Whenever you can get ahead by doing it
Simple as that
bright kraken
Whenever you can get ahead by doing it
what does that mean though
like, against a MW during cooldowns?
wheat jay
Mw has two big healing buttons, and if you can force let's say cocoon on mw
Then you can swap to dps, cc mw and you get huge advantage because that's one defensive less on his dps
bright kraken
Then you can swap to dps, cc mw and you get huge advantage because that's one de...
as in, i swap to MW and teammate keeps on dps>
?*
wheat jay
Could do that, ye
It all depends on how the game is going tho
If you swap to mw with 0 cds, 0 cc, 0 pressure you'll just waste time
That's why pressure is the important
Especially as warrior because you don't rly have setup based win conditions
You just slap damage
bright kraken
Could do that, ye
but would that be optimal compared to just slamming one dps
when should i attack who my ally is attacking? when they're in cds?
should i ever try to line sharpen for my teammates cds?
should i hold bladestorm for colossus? sharpen?
fierce elm
Send BS because its such a low cooldown anyways
Sharpen should be lined after or during cds
But sharpen once more has such a low cooldown
that it should line up
When you can apply the most pressure on a single target is when you attack the same target, generally its more common to attack the same
rather than swap off individually
fierce elm
whiever dk pulls in
fierce elm
its over for the ladder
bright kraken
when do we hit through sac
when do we not
i swear its the dumbest fucking thing ever
losing healer difference games because i swap on sac
🥰
lavish quest
<@278157108791476224> how to gett 2.4k this week
Become @elfin surge 's Egirl
lavish quest
I'm not MUD's Egirl
And I haven't queued since Friday lol
Not sure I'll bother to try it again or not. Shuffle is horribad
wheat jay
where's your 2.4k then?
leland's got too many bits that disqualify him from being an egirl
elfin surge
Become <@269709440146604032> 's Egirl
lavish quest
leland's got too many bits that disqualify him from being an egirl
64 bit?
wheat jay
yep
elfin surge
XD
lavish quest
Someone ban this man
idle falcon
Someone ban this man
stupid in a good way
to be clear
:D
stupid russian
so toxic
told him off
he went afk
lavish quest
?
elfin surge
?
fierce elm
?
balmy compass
I think I've just experienced the worst possible warrior lobby. Frost mage, boomy, ret, hpala, hpala. Miserable experience as a human warrior
bright kraken
?
elfin surge
6-0 time woop woop
0-6 time womp womp
bright kraken
close enough
elfin surge
are you still vulpera
elfin surge
gay
wheat jay
are you still vulpera
Thats why you dont climb
fierce elm
kek
bright kraken
fierce elm
go play pvp
modern veldt
i just realized if they make Shockwave easier to take on the talent tree its gunna lead to being able to have both TR and CS "Champion's might"sorry forgot they renamed and rextured the abiliies
what if you have to choose between shockwave and storm bolt..... a choice node they'd both be on the same node just a speculation
bright kraken
what if you have to choose between shockwave and storm bolt..... a choice node t...
Intimidate scatter shot pov
lavish quest
Intimidate scatter shot pov
My hunter has intim and scatter at same time?
grand scaffold
i found a screenshot of sl s2 where it showed i qd 4,000 2s games
i played a LOT in that season
lmao
prob more in s1 tho
wheat jay
Blizz should put dh stuns on a choice node
lavish quest
Blizz should put playing mage and not being convicted on a choice node
grand scaffold
SOLO SHUFFLE IS ASS
getting fucked?
fierce elm
I had 4 games in a row with a leaver lmao
fierce elm
remove solo shuffle
fierce elm
Im just tryna practice and gear pally man
grand scaffold
so that people arent in games for 20 min at a time
elfin surge
WHO WANTS TO QUEUE FOR THIS
rage more kid
sharp meteor
Thats why you dont climb
Rude.
sharp meteor
20 MINUTE QUEUES AT LIKE
Ye? There's a lack of healers. I have a friend who recently got into healing PvP and wanted to practice so he goes into shuffle and goes "wow this is like the worst thing i've ever done in this game what are these creatures".
wary delta
you built like a ret gamer
earnest thorn
Play eu ret with vanguard of justice, na ret is wack
violet fossil
Play eu ret with vanguard of justice, na ret is wack
joe
ocean crow
yall are done for
fierce elm
solo shuffle ROCKS
grand scaffold
yo guys
did you see the warrior rework in war within
shit looks amazing
arms is not looking amazing
but fury
ooooh
SMF
fierce elm
Give fury their one season of being busted tbh
grand scaffold
i just wrote it
we get an enrage swappable talent
can get +15% dmg instead of 15% haste
annihilator deleted
fierce elm
Aut oattack crits 50% chance to enrage hello
fierce elm
50% AÙTOS
grand scaffold
meh
still not a bad change
but
30% dmg buff
100% gonna hit harder than with tg
fierce elm
Cant wait for this to fuck up loot tables for fury lmao
fierce elm
In PvP yeah
wheat jay
But looking at PvE drops lmao
wont touch it
grand scaffold
violet fossil
yooo what
fierce elm
NPC models*
fierce elm
Can we get NPC gear as transmogs now
quaint osprey
was a good run
wheat jay
ok this is nice
quaint osprey
you think? i think it looks like a random quest reward
fierce elm
I liek it
wheat jay
you think? i think it looks like a random quest reward
on 2nd thought, no
its ass
xD
grand scaffold
30% dmg to autos
nah
its to everything
oh fuck
so its still 12% overall dmg boost
yuck
quaint osprey
on 2nd thought, no
they cant let this be gladiator when dhs run around on this for free
wheat jay
trueeeeeeeee
grand scaffold
see here it says 5% dmg boost
so when it said 30%
i thought it was to that
fuc
quaint osprey
trueeeeeeeee
this looks a little better
wheat jay
still bad imo
quaint osprey
but that wings need some clothes
grand scaffold
this looks a little better
clapped mount
grand scaffold
Vesa would anyways
😂
fallen estuary
see here it says 5% dmg boost
Tww buffed it to 30%
fallen estuary
And its still fucking shit LMFAO cause they removed anni in tww
fierce elm
that is one wack set
grand scaffold
Tww buffed it to 30%
is it 30 auto or 30 overall
grand scaffold
And its still fucking shit LMFAO cause they removed anni in tww
fucl annihilator
grand scaffold
yea]
fallen estuary
Still a dead talent
fallen estuary
They need to make it like cata done flat dmg and slam hits with both weapons
Change the slam part but yea
fallen estuary
There is no point i was giving an example on how the chane to smf should be lol
fallen estuary
slam CAST?
Yes
grand scaffold
what
why tf did it have a cast time
what if somebody walks away during the cast
fierce elm
now this
fallen estuary
Its ptty easy to spam tf outta slam tho
grand scaffold
so weird
fallen estuary
Possibly but im talking about cata smf talented not df
fallen estuary
Yea and it is now but way worse lol
grand scaffold
atrocious currently
grand scaffold
why did they think autoattack dmg was gonna make us pick that talent
wheat jay
for now yes
fierce elm
Expecting warrior to come out soon probs
wheat jay
i expect hunter to be dogshit as always 😄
wheat jay
warr is usually very good
fierce elm
Can we just get updated Judgment
wheat jay
dk and lock is always amazing too
grand scaffold
like what is this blizzard
who let someone cook those shoulders
grand scaffold
warr is usually very good
how does it look
grand scaffold
send
fierce elm
grand scaffold
whats wrong with it
grand scaffold
i like that set
ocean crow
warr set looks pretty sick
ocean crow
fierce elm
Its very Thane themed
grand scaffold
which one is the pvp set
grand scaffold
has a storm effect
better be this one
fierce elm
hopefully not the white one again BLIZZARD
I want COLORS
The shoulders do be noodles
grand scaffold
thats what i was thinking
i dont like those shoulders
the tusk should be going from back to front
lavish quest
Looks good. I like it
Maybe helm should have had more of a face like the shoulders, but good
fierce elm
he is cahdding it up
grand scaffold
what
lavish quest
There's a version of that arena out in the world. Soooo... the two are there
fierce elm
I like the evoker one
wheat jay
ye me too
violet fossil
they always manage to make Hunter sets look the same
grand scaffold
imma just make evoker
artji the evoker
haughty jewel
violet fossil
The evoker set does look badass
wheat jay
bruh
how do they manage to make hunter set look SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad
cba
imma roll evoker and play broken shit
xD
one button rotation
disintegrate
easy
violet fossil
how do they manage to make hunter set look SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad
they do this every season
almost
wheat jay
Artji fomt reroller
yes
fallen estuary
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805917660985557067/1230239805053599764/...
Lmfao that shoulda been the abberus set LOL
Matches the mount from there
fallen estuary
Warrior set is some cooking
Ffs the 2nd to last on the right is the elite set
Another white warrior theme transmog ffs
fierce elm
lmao fuuck
fallen estuary
Why are devs so scared to give us a more menacing color set. Like the elite juggernaut set
lavish quest
imma just make evoker
Fotm rerolling yet again
wheat jay
is it fotm rolling if its for fashion?
violet fossil
the red is normal raid I’m assuming?
lavish quest
Fashion fotm
fallen estuary
Now if it was white with red veins bursting through it it would look badass
But creativity is lackin still
wheat jay
Fashion fotm
always
ok for real tho
where are the 3d parts on hunter set?
it looks like MoP set
xD
rugged temple
The War Within gladiator mount looks very bad
fierce elm
me like
fickle forge
3s is dead
wary delta
did they fix rebound yet
lavish quest
<@238357283996696576> we can delete the channel
lavish quest
This channel is 30% Vesa solo shuffle diary anyways
fickle forge
This channel is 30% Vesa solo shuffle diary anyways
70%
I mean will anyone ever Q a 3s game if you can get glad from shuffle
I'm calling it now, S1 TWW is gonna be the most inflated glad season of all time
Quote me
lavish quest
Should just put it in all modes.
2s. RBGs. Lez go
wheat jay
someone pin this xD
fierce elm
is the last relevant gladiator
yoi wont hit it in solo shuffle
”My one glad is the last rekevant” lmao
Just give it to 2s