pvp

[grand scaffold]

whats the other use

[fickle forge]

You can dodge anything with meld

[mild thunder]

also yes smeld is incredibly versatile

[fickle forge]

Dodge a Chaos Bolt or smth

Dodge death

[mild thunder]

dropping casts, avoiding dmg, immuning cc etc.

[fickle forge]

Dodge CC

[grand scaffold]

really?

[fickle forge]

You immune anything dude

[grand scaffold]

oh alr

then in that case its much better than i thought

would still do did over nelf tho

[fickle forge]

Rdruids be melding my finishing Execute sometimes

[grand scaffold]

oh yeah true now that you mention it

[mild thunder]

rdruids be melding my traps

[fickle forge]

Meld is mega busted

[grand scaffold]

you play hunter now?

[mild thunder]

traps bug out sometimes and lands anyway tho

[mild thunder]

did last ssn

sv only

[fickle forge]

It's still a 30 sec CD advantage, but I'd pick gnome or nelf over human rn

[mild thunder]

sv boring af now tho

[fickle forge]

SV seems to heal enemies rn

[mild thunder]

also one of the least mobile melee now kekw

[tardy dock]

is this still a thing?

[fickle forge]

Played with an Hpala who'd just press dispel on CD and the hunter would never peak above 35k dps

[tardy dock]

sounds like big brain moves

[grand scaffold]

imo its gnome dark iron dwarf nelf then human or orc

but thats just me

[mild thunder]

you know sv bad when bicmex is getting farmed in awc

[fickle forge]

You can choose to yes

Hardly anyone does it cause it's clunky af

But it's still like a 35% wall vs phys dmg

[grand scaffold]

is there a way to make it also swap your primary bar

to one that shows shield block and shield slam

[fickle forge]

Don't think dwarf valuenis that high rn

[mild thunder]

dwarf/dark iron is only top tier into assa meta

[fickle forge]

Not to my knowledge, maybe there's a way to make it swap to bar 7 or some random shit

[grand scaffold]

well

[fickle forge]

Dwarf was really good in assassa/feral meta

[grand scaffold]

it removes roots slows dots

[fickle forge]

Or when something like maledict is a thing

Doesn't dwarf racial put your trinket on cd too

[grand scaffold]

30 sec only

and it removes a LOT of stuff

[mild thunder]

dark iron felt like a cheat code in s1 rpx meta

[grand scaffold]

yea

[fickle forge]

That's still sus if you can't trinket+racial or you racial and then die in a stun

[grand scaffold]

its like a good vs everything race

[tardy dock]

i noticed u can swap Pain and Gain for Bitter Immunity which removes poisons

[grand scaffold]

not necessarily best at everything

just good

[mild thunder]

both suck

[tardy dock]

but good into assass

[fickle forge]

BI is awful

[mild thunder]

3min CD poison removal is ass

[tardy dock]

it also heals for 20%

[grand scaffold]

20% is nothing

[mild thunder]

more like 5% after damp + ms

[grand scaffold]

dampening starts at 10%

yeah

[fickle forge]

Pain will net you more healing over a game

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[fickle forge]

BI can maybe save you 1 go

Maybe

[mild thunder]

no shot

[grand scaffold]

but only vs assass rogue

nothing else

[mild thunder]

nah

useless into assa

[grand scaffold]

it may/may not remove kingsbane

im not sure

[mild thunder]

nope

[fickle forge]

Nobody really has any lethal poisons anymore

[mild thunder]

• assa applies poisons uber quick anyway

[grand scaffold]

does it removes hemotoxin?

[fickle forge]

No

[grand scaffold]

so tf is the use of it

[mild thunder]

it doesnt have one

[fickle forge]

Nobody relies on poisons cause they'd be worthless into anyone who has their dispel bound

Dps classes be dispeling poisons too

[mild thunder]

it's just shitty kyrian phial, which was already the worst cov ability

[grand scaffold]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

door of shadows worse imo

[mild thunder]

fleshie > shape > door > phial

door at least had cc potential

[fickle forge]

At least door CC'd

[mild thunder]

and cool bait potential

[grand scaffold]

forgot about that

i still kinda prefer phial tho

[fickle forge]

Fleshcraft was just better

[mild thunder]

shape would've been giga if it didnt force a year-long gcd

[fickle forge]

Feral druids running in with 200% HP Fleshcraft

[mild thunder]

bring. it. back.

did you see my boy cassidy in awc?

[fickle forge]

I saw only moments of AWC

[mild thunder]

they were playing bm kfc

[fickle forge]

Seemed like a bunch of rogue lock and ele

[fickle forge]

Eyo????

[mild thunder]

bro got tunneled into the dirt every single game lol

[fickle forge]

@wheat jay

[mild thunder]

sorry

jungle

not kfc

KEKW

[fickle forge]

KFC is AWC material

Oh

[tardy dock]

so i just got 70 and specced pvp talents, im ilvl 310 do i just queue for BGs to get honor to buy honor gear?

[fickle forge]

You start by getting honor gear some way other than BGs

Cause man you're gonna get ran over

[mild thunder]

do you have gold

[tardy dock]

there's scaling to 450 i think

[fickle forge]

Everybody else is min ilvl 476

[mild thunder]

if yes, buy the aspirant gear from ah

[grand scaffold]

kfc needs a buff somehow

[mild thunder]

or combatant

[grand scaffold]

i miss that comp from shadowlands

[mild thunder]

i cant remember

[mild thunder]

let hunters live longer than 30s

and give sv dmg

[fickle forge]

Only Artji and I were playing KFC on ladder

Nobody else plays KFC ever

Since like Legion?

[mild thunder]

i remember when baj queued kfc with ssds

[grand scaffold]

i played it at 2200 in sl 3s

liked it

[fickle forge]

KFC was apparently unbeatable in MoP

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet we queueing kfc in mop classic???????????

[fickle forge]

MM KFC*

[mild thunder]

yea nah

i would play ranged sv

but i'll never touch bm or mm

[grand scaffold]

never played it while it was in the game

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332244414241964042/1177761866483769464/4395ab52609e88e45cd803b48297ec66.jpg?ex=65cff836&is=65bd8336&hm=4c2496bc8de8f17a881083b6a1d076c5d75fc5e5652f3ebeda6a018565a18ade&

[grand scaffold]

was advised against it

how did it work

[mild thunder]

dots = fun

it had a lot of competing themes tho, same as current sv lol

[grand scaffold]

was it like bm with dots?

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905959827891712050/1203329466898579456/image.png?ex=65d0b2e5&is=65be3de5&hm=2b5466d91380e9142a3bb4978d54206b3ae8a0c3e2a82d96d07039385c69c78e&

[grand scaffold]

😂

[mild thunder]

kiinda, but chadlier than bm

[grand scaffold]

2400 as dh solo shuffle is so eh

😂

[fickle forge]

Surely they'll nerf DH again soon

[grand scaffold]

idt they will

[mild thunder]

nerfs coming after awc

[grand scaffold]

they wouldve been nerfed this patch along with dks if that was the case

[fickle forge]

Some specs just destroy the fun of the game when they're meta

[mild thunder]

like arms

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-plan-coping-kid-the-kid-is-coping-gif-26280717

[grand scaffold]

🤨

[mild thunder]

is fact

versing a spinning beyblade that cant be cc'd or punished by phys damage is not fun

[fickle forge]

People that hate arms usually play setup comps

[grand scaffold]

setup comps

are gay

[mild thunder]

nah idgaf about arms stopping cc setups

[grand scaffold]

then what

[mild thunder]

i care about arms just... not taking physical damage

and not being cc'able because bstorm has like 40% uptime

[fickle forge]

I'm good with being tanky

BS meta is trash though

[mild thunder]

then enjoy never having burst

[fickle forge]

Arms can have burst

[grand scaffold]

arms should have higher burst

[grand scaffold]

and lower consistant dmg

[tardy dock]

what's the wowhead guy smokin

[mild thunder]

imo i would prefer no spec leans as hard as arms does into being tanky + low burst rn

it's not fun

[grand scaffold]

cracl

crack

[tardy dock]

crit 2nd best stat

[mild thunder]

wowhead pvp writers fired

guides not updated since 9.2

[fickle forge]

Archimtiros writes PvE

[tardy dock]

wut why

[mild thunder]

because wowhead cringe

[fickle forge]

They don't have PvP writters anymore

[grand scaffold]

bc their guides werent that popular

when this discord or skillcapped exists

or youtube for that matter

[fickle forge]

I'd argue arms should have higher burst when it has the lowest range of all melees

[mild thunder]

braindead passive tankiness is also especially cringe - being tanky cause you consistently pre-stance setups and/or trade effectively is cool

being tanky cause you can macro IP into mortal strike is cringe af

[fickle forge]

I mean ye

[grand scaffold]

warrior isnt mean to be hard

[fickle forge]

Hopefully 11.0 will bring some complexity back

[grand scaffold]

i guess

i dont like warriors current design

[fickle forge]

Arms still has a good skill ceiling

[grand scaffold]

could be so much better

[mild thunder]

it also has a miserably low skill floor

[fickle forge]

It's just easy to pick up when Skillstorm meta exists

[grand scaffold]

like if they want it to be a consistant dmg spec

bring back bfa arms

those bleeds CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKED

[fickle forge]

Never bring back BFA arms

[grand scaffold]

i liked it

😐

[fickle forge]

Don't cook again

[grand scaffold]

get iku was fun

my dmg was so high

[fickle forge]

Pressing Execute for 5% of somebody's HP sure was fun

[grand scaffold]

still remains to this day

😐

[mild thunder]

arms combines the most braindead, autopilot rotation, passive tankiness and multiple easy-to-use cc immunes to create the world's most insanely forgiving spec

and is not fun

to verse or play

[grand scaffold]

have you seen dh

thats the sped spec tbh

[mild thunder]

yep, and dh is wayyy more punishable (at least into phys)

[fickle forge]

Now if we brought back Spear and Warlord's meta

[mild thunder]

if a dh trades blur poorly, i maim and kill in 3 globals

[grand scaffold]

i eat bad warrs easier than bad dhs

bad warriors that parry air and dont d stance

flop

[mild thunder]

if a warr trades dbs poorly, i maim behind pillar, dump 5 bites and he's 80% hp

[grand scaffold]

is the same story

[mild thunder]

lol

[fickle forge]

DH can do whatever they want into casters though

Impossible to fuck up

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild thunder]

not true

[grand scaffold]

yes it is

lmfao

[mild thunder]

it is not

lmfao

[fickle forge]

It's just a matter or PoV on what spec you play

[grand scaffold]

i play a demo lock if they do exactly what i just said

they flop

[mild thunder]

so you play

[grand scaffold]

literally

[mild thunder]

a caster/magic dmg dealer

when i literally said

phys specs

[grand scaffold]

bruh

[mild thunder]

🤨

[grand scaffold]

i also play outlaw rogue

[fickle forge]

Yah but that's the game

[grand scaffold]

and warrior itself

[mild thunder]

yah and imo armor should be removed/normalised

[grand scaffold]

if i catch a warr lacking i still kill them like that

[fickle forge]

Some specs do well into phys and some good into magic

[grand scaffold]

bro what are you burning today

[mild thunder]

armor is weird and outdated for a competitive pvp scene

[fickle forge]

We could also just streamline the entire game

Make everyone have the same kit

Make 1 class

[grand scaffold]

then thats just fortnite

[fickle forge]

Everyone playing the gladiator class for arena

[mild thunder]

or remove an arbitrary defensive stat that cucks some specs but not others, while also not being consistent about whether the specs that have armor will actually be generally tanky or not

while also randomly giving 1 caster more armor than any plate spec in the game

[grand scaffold]

i mean

[fickle forge]

Who

[grand scaffold]

that 1 caster can kite way less

[fickle forge]

Ele?

[mild thunder]

lock

[grand scaffold]

i was thinking lock

its kiting capability isnt that high

[fickle forge]

Ele has the highest armor though

[grand scaffold]

they sit a lot of dmg

[mild thunder]

ele also has giga armor

[mild thunder]

probs not after armor nerfs

[fickle forge]

And ele can omega kite

[fickle forge]

Prob still do cause they have shield

[mild thunder]

yea that's why they were nerfed

cause shield

[fickle forge]

Ele with 3 no-DR knocks though

🙏

[mild thunder]

while lock stayed roughly the same

[mild thunder]

and cringe field totem

and 2 stuns

and slow immune

and 3 roots

[grand scaffold]

we can all agree ele needs a nerf

[fickle forge]

It's pretty bad

[grand scaffold]

its not an armor problem

its a spec problem

in general

[mild thunder]

i never said ele had an armor problem

[grand scaffold]

didnt say you did

[mild thunder]

but i do think armor is shit design and should be removed

[fickle forge]

Casters in general got streamlined

Everyone is insta casting for rotation now

[grand scaffold]

i dont mind the insta casting rotation

[mild thunder]

hard to complain when every melee has 10k stops

[grand scaffold]

its kiting should just be lesser

[mild thunder]

try casting something into uhdk dude

[grand scaffold]

i actually think the insta cast rotation is kinda a good design

[fickle forge]

If your rotation is insta casting, what's the point of kicks then

[grand scaffold]

well

the ticks cause you to insta cast

[fickle forge]

Ye you won't

[grand scaffold]

oh kicks

well kicks are for something else

then they are useless bc hunter exists

[mild thunder]

in order to nerf insta casts, they need to nerf overall access to cc (they should do this)

less cc

more impactful cc

[grand scaffold]

eh

[mild thunder]

(they will not do this)

[grand scaffold]

i find current cc fine

good tbh

[mild thunder]

current cc is shit

[grand scaffold]

how

[mild thunder]

there's way too much cc creep

[fickle forge]

The caster playing into hero cleave

[mild thunder]

but also no real value in setup

[grand scaffold]

tahts true

[grand scaffold]

have you seen a good rmp team

or a good walking dea

or a good feral mage

[mild thunder]

didnt see a single good one in awc

[fickle forge]

Casted spells should at least be impactful

[grand scaffold]

so

[mild thunder]

so it's not good rn

[fickle forge]

I used to dread Chaos Bolt man

[grand scaffold]

thats true

[fickle forge]

But shit hits for like 180k

[mild thunder]

because cc isnt really what it used to be

[grand scaffold]

chaos bolt is just spam a lot of them and it kills ez

not

1 big hit and BAM

[fickle forge]

What's a big CB hit

Like 250k?

[mild thunder]

thereabouts

[fickle forge]

If you're fortunate with the RNG buffs

[grand scaffold]

300k

right about 280k

[fickle forge]

I've never seen a 300k CB

I watch Jazggz sometimes and he hits like 150k into a DH

Like sure man why did you bother casting that lol

[mild thunder]

why bolt when portal go brr

[fickle forge]

When you can hit two Conflags in the same window and do the same dmg

[grand scaffold]

legion destro was good design

[fickle forge]

Or press 1 rift for more dmg

[grand scaffold]

that was much better

bfa it was still good

shadowlands till now

its been shit

guys we should make a tier list

of most well designed classes

😂

[fickle forge]

Oh no

[mild thunder]

sv and ww are both the best and worst designed classes in wow

[grand scaffold]

ww ass design

[fickle forge]

I might pick up WW next

[mild thunder]

gigachad

[grand scaffold]

i was going to as well

😦

[fickle forge]

I was gonna go back to my enh roots this season, but it's not even a spec rn

Beyond awful

[grand scaffold]

i was gonna do that too

😢

😂

[mild thunder]

it's incredibly well designed, just has a few hiccups that hurt the spec a lot atm

[grand scaffold]

keefers is badly designed is what i mean

[mild thunder]

keefers is fine

[grand scaffold]

its tied to a chi generator

its like if cs was tied to ms or op

[mild thunder]

ye? you have other ways to gen and setup

[grand scaffold]

like what

ik theres 1 button on a 30 sec cd

that generates 3

[mild thunder]

EH, chi blast, hitting pets/totems/off-targets etc.

forcing you to think about how you setup and spend a buff isnt bad design

[grand scaffold]

who in their right mind plays chi blast

[tardy dock]

yo

why does the join battle button not work

[mild thunder]

there's no real issue with it

[tardy dock]

i can't join any pvp

[mild thunder]

if you want extra chi gen because you're worried about the opener, it's fine

[grand scaffold]

tbh thats the 1 thing preventing me from playing ww

[mild thunder]

chi wave isnt winning you games

[grand scaffold]

pick a role

[tardy dock]

oh i have to pick a spec

lmao

who would queue tank for pvp

[grand scaffold]

rbgs

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor

[grand scaffold]

blood dk in arena is crazy

[fickle forge]

@knotty atlas

[knotty atlas]

Me

[grand scaffold]

upgrade yourself

[mild thunder]

but ye if they just fixed jadefire stomp and fixed ww's resource gen, it'd be in a great spot design-wise

not perfect, but still cooler than anything else

[grand scaffold]

yeah

i just dont like its resource generation

rest is seemingly good

[mild thunder]

i mean how it's got too much resource

you dont think about how to spend atm

because you're flooded with chi and energy

[grand scaffold]

dont really have a problem with that

it just makes it faster paced

[mild thunder]

i do

most ww do

[mild thunder]

energy specs arent supposed to fill every global, they're not fury warriors

[grand scaffold]

well then same with arms warrior

[grand scaffold]

ik

thats why i dont like them

[mild thunder]

arms also shouldnt fill every global, it's supposed to be a rage management spec

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

mfw arms rage management is about not overcapping instead of pooling 😐 😐 😐

[grand scaffold]

i like it more than in sl

but im a fury main so i cant say much

[mild thunder]

the cool thing about energy specs is that when you are pressing buttons, they're super quick because of the 1s locked gcd

so they feel fast no matter what

but they should still have downtime

[grand scaffold]

i dont play any specs with downtime

i hate it so much

its like why am i able to press 0

[mild thunder]

downtime = thinking time

[grand scaffold]

why not think

without downtime

🤨

[mild thunder]

tldr - if you create a spec with zero downtime, you pretty much necessarily have no resource consideration because you've allowed enough resources to already fill every gcd

so what is there left to consider

[grand scaffold]

cc

defensives

peeling

offensive cd timings

kiting

los'ing

[fickle forge]

Isn't that almost every spec rn

[mild thunder]

yes

the unfortunate consequences of DF talent trees

[fickle forge]

Like how rogue is generating so many cp they can bank and store capped ones

At least in classic I can really see HP move when I connect and swing that axe

[mild thunder]

this is all stuff that should be considered regardless. i was talking mostly about pve because in pvp you dont really have the same dead globals as utility, cc etc. take their place

or general downtime on target

[fickle forge]

PvE man

The casual palace

[grand scaffold]

exactly

[mild thunder]

m+ goated

raid cringe

[grand scaffold]

should be considering redardless

[grand scaffold]

this is why you dont play warrior anymore

[mild thunder]

i dont play warrior cause it's not fun lol

[fickle forge]

Maybe top end M+ is

[grand scaffold]

M+ players need to upgrade themselves tbh

[fickle forge]

Anything below top just makes my eyes hurt

[grand scaffold]

even more boring than a raid

and i take a nap when i raid

[fickle forge]

When the lock dies for the 10th time and hasn't speced Dark Pact

[grand scaffold]

m+ is just garbo

[fickle forge]

Or my 3.3k fistweaver is doing 15k dps

[grand scaffold]

gotta also realize

[fickle forge]

I'm just wondering what the fuck

[grand scaffold]

nobody considers any expansion where M+ has existed

as a top expansion

[fickle forge]

Legion

[grand scaffold]

ok aside from legion

thats 1/4 of the expansions its existed

[fickle forge]

You know when M+ was introduced

[wheat jay]

Cuz you don't do normal m+ kargish

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

You do shit +15

[fickle forge]

I just said top end M+

[wheat jay]

Where you don't need brain to finish it

[fickle forge]

You monkey

[wheat jay]

Ye but I mean you specifically

[fickle forge]

Dropping in at the end of a convo and responding to that only

[mild thunder]

"nobody considers any expansion where m+ has existed as good, except the expansion it was introduced"

gigachad

[wheat jay]

you never did top end hello?

[wheat jay]

That's factually wrong tho

[grand scaffold]

idt people considered legion one of the best

[fickle forge]

Shut up hunter brain, you're arguing a point nobody is talking about

[mild thunder]

also MoP pretty widely beloved and it was essentially the birthplace of m+ with challenge mode

[grand scaffold]

because of M_

[wheat jay]

Shadowlands overall was a good expansion

[grand scaffold]

it was because of artifacts lore how cool the raids were and how well pvp was designed

[mild thunder]

i was making fun of ndogo

[grand scaffold]

i didnt know M+ even came out till bfa tbh

[mild thunder]

leave me alone

[wheat jay]

Bfa even with all the dogs hit systems was solid for pve

Oh ok

Continue

[mild thunder]

?

[fickle forge]

Artji waiting at the finish line to debate how we crossed it

[wheat jay]

Yep

[fickle forge]

Talking to Artji

[wheat jay]

Yall suck git gud

[grand scaffold]

artji what io are you at

😂

[fickle forge]

We've been over this 3 billion times Artji my guy

[mild thunder]

im the real hunter brain

[grand scaffold]

we know

...

[wheat jay]

Like 2700, did some 23s and done

[grand scaffold]

not bad tbh

nice

[mild thunder]

m+ would be so cool if they actually gave it rewards

big sadge

[wheat jay]

Nah it's bad

[fickle forge]

Artji's hunter brain is focused on demons

[wheat jay]

I didn't push m+ cuz I didn't have time

So just did 23s with guildies

20s are a walk in the park

[mild thunder]

dw i think my highest is a 22 this season

no one invites me

[wheat jay]

There's no incentive to push high rating other than just rating

[fickle forge]

Next expansion when enh sham is destined to be hard meta, Artji is gonna roll it and be like "omg turbo is so fun guys"

[wheat jay]

Where m+ recolour of glad mount?

[mild thunder]

so true bestie

[grand scaffold]

im gonna start leveling and gearing my shaman now

[wheat jay]

Wrong

[grand scaffold]

enhance without doomwinds looks very cool tbh

[wheat jay]

You will do enh

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yip-yap-yop-gif-15418233809026651394

[wheat jay]

I will do warrior

[fickle forge]

Enh is so ass rn

[wheat jay]

Anyway back to work

[fickle forge]

All builds

[wheat jay]

Cya noobs

[grand scaffold]

i like it myself

i dont think its strong

[mild thunder]

saul making it work fr fr

[grand scaffold]

but its 100% fun

[grand scaffold]

big dam making it work harder

bro has 20 enhance shamans

on first page of ladder

[tawny elm]

too much mastery?

[grand scaffold]

no

reduce crit to 11

[mild thunder]

saul in awc winning double dps 2v3s tho

[grand scaffold]

reduce vers to 30

[tawny elm]

oh

[grand scaffold]

i dont got time to watch awc

[fickle forge]

Wasn't that the WW winning it?

[grand scaffold]

i just check ladder and thats it

[mild thunder]

hush

[fickle forge]

Enh is pretty much a buff bitch for WW

[mild thunder]

eh, it's clearly just a comp they play because saul cba rerolling

even dorito admitted they're gonna insta lose into every outlaw team

[grand scaffold]

enhance very good in turbo rn

turbo > ret warr

[fickle forge]

Yah Idk, enh sham is just not it dawg

[grand scaffold]

defo isnt

[fickle forge]

Eksdee

[grand scaffold]

but its fun

[fickle forge]

Ret+warr is running rampant again

[mild thunder]

C tier comp > other C tier comp

[grand scaffold]

eh

i dont see it at all tbh

[mild thunder]

@fickle forge is a disgusting dh/arms abuser

[grand scaffold]

skillcapped says turbo is like A+ or A

[grand scaffold]

that comp gets abused tho

[mild thunder]

point and laugh

[fickle forge]

I'm tanking my homie's DH arc

Letting him live out his dream

[fickle forge]

I'm calling fat cap

[mild thunder]

skill capped do be saying some dumb shit sometimes ngl

[fickle forge]

Only people making enh work are the diehard enh sham OTPs

[mild thunder]

i dont even think turbo is the best enh comp lol

[wheat jay]

I win us games shut up

You're already 2k after one or two sessions

[green anchor]

What you don't like the recolored mounts?

[mild thunder]

mounts are fine

but they stop at 2k, which is free rating

need to be incentives for 2500, 3000 etc.

[grand scaffold]

they did say it is

and tbf its not that easy to beat if you do manage to play vs one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI7NdnThP-0

5:55 in the video

[tardy dock]

u know i didnt see this anywhere in the guide

should i be using defensive or battle stance?

[grand scaffold]

both

depends if you are dying a lot or not dying

if you arent dying

battle stance

[tardy dock]

yo whys my trinkets not being scaled to 450

i'm being scammed

[grand scaffold]

idk

mine goes to 489

[tardy dock]

cape scaled to 450

trinket not

[grand scaffold]

its a pve trinket

ofc it wont scale

only pvp things scale

[tardy dock]

nah my pve weapon scales too

only the trinkets dont

oh i got the lamest bg too

afk in the corner with an orb

[fickle forge]

Ilvl 450 means you're almost 40 ilvl behind everyone else

You're fighting at half strength

[tardy dock]

it is what it is

i got full 463 gear tho

except weapon cape and trinkets

ok so some trinkets scale

and some dont

very weird

[fickle forge]

Definitely get PvP trinkets asap

[fickle forge]

For 2 set

[tardy dock]

im gonna be full gear in no time

[tardy dock]

does any1 know how to make the colors from the dmg meter the same as the class colors?

[fickle forge]

Eksfuckingdee

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905959827891712050/1191453453982122085/image.png?ex=65ca687f&is=65b7f37f&hm=7382716bb34fdb45e8373f9939cd79cff3781829fce03a12234c81ce00f5f57f&

Fistweavers 📉

[tardy dock]

turn off the hacks

one day

[violet fossil]

man reque

[tardy dock]

damn i dont think i'll be able to catch this

but never say never

and it's gone

[stark panther]

Is it worth using Legendary in pvp purely for ilvl/stats?

[river walrus]

Apparently it is

[sharp meteor]

raises paw

[green anchor]

Legendary gives you a 3rd charge

[river walrus]

The charge in pvp is really bad

[waxen ginkgo]

Free dot dmg using it

[red badger]

anybody got build suggestions and or macros for a newer arms warrior

[mild thunder]

arms is balanced

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

[fallen estuary]

guys i want to play a crackpipe warrior but i really hate heroin warrior. im wondering what crackpipe you guys use and if there is any genetic builds i can rock that can make me resistant to gunfire and cold enviroments. i keep checking icyveins but they tell me to spec arms like yea i need arms to huff out the pipe nice troll icyveins

[brazen citrus]

need sudden death to be removed from the game fr

then turn execute into wod execute

[hasty pulsar]

can we reflect ultimate penance

or even regular penance

[river walrus]

No

Don't think so

[light yoke]

guys sword or mace which is better for pvp arm gear ?

[grand scaffold]

follow stat priority

[mild thunder]

isn’t sword crit? crit mid

[grand scaffold]

i think hammer is crit

99% sure

but either way just follow stat priority

[twin birch]

does arms play similarly to fury? I'm basically brand new and I leveled my warrior fury but I want to pvp and arms just seems so much better

[lavish quest]

It's not hard to go from fury to arms. But they are not quite the same. You shouldn't struggle to learn arms though

[proud cairn]

hello there guys , new to warrior pvp. What stats should I aim for? Checking ppl from armory and some stack a bit more haste others mastery. What do you recommend?

[teal hedge]

We have the general stat balance pinned! 😄

But your stat balance seems solid!

[proud cairn]

oh didnt know that. Thanks mate rly appreciated:)

[grand scaffold]

vers looks too high

would get more mastery

imo

[eternal hare]

phat vers is the meta rn

https://murlok.io/character/eu/ravencrest/mércé/pvp

[grand scaffold]

prob plate nerf

ima look into it probably

[tawny elm]

ok guess im stupid
i only need sparks if i want crafted gear to have high ilvl for pve?

[hasty pulsar]

how much versa so we want then

[fallen estuary]

im at 40% verse and its ptty sexi

[eternal hare]

looks like karijes is running max vers

like no crafted jewelry and 70 vers gems

[hasty pulsar]

dang

[eternal hare]

granted hes playing w/ a dh so his job isnt to do dmg lol

playing bitter immunity too

beat outlaw arcane 👀

[hasty pulsar]

do u think more versa would translate well to solo shuffle also

or better to just follow the stats in the pins

[eternal hare]

idk im trash but all the top ranked warrs are going >30 vers atm so if ur dying a bunch probably worth a shot

[mild thunder]

and everyone ignored me

[eternal hare]

TR warriors listened

[fossil ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dancing-kitten-60fps-boogie-cat-gif-24303276

[teal hedge]

As they should, you debaucher

[river walrus]

I agreed with you and a lot of people told me vers is underated lol

[violet fossil]

What was karjies verse at?

[mild thunder]

50% iirc

[violet fossil]

damn

thought about stacking verse heavy

with verse enchant heh

and human passive

[hasty pulsar]

how much damage difference is vers vs mast

is there a way to calculate that

[mild thunder]

pp% on arms mastery is not very good. versa provides similar damage but also great defensive value

40% is almost defs worth, 50% probs overkill, keep in mind they were versing ww/sub lol

[wheat jay]

Everyone going low vers is dumb as fuck

Why would anyone not take pure % dmg done and pure % dmg reduction

Unless you're scaling super hard with mastery like dh

But arms doesn't

[mild thunder]

i feel so insanely vindicated rn

[wheat jay]

I mean, we've been saying it since the season started

But idiots still preached some stupid 30% vers

And missing out on damage reduction lol

Imagine fighting rmp and you're missing your 5 or more % dmg reduction

Go full gems enchants for vers etc

And you're basically missing on dstance value hahaha

[mild thunder]

inb4 people come out with "well, Lava Lava lost, so versa on arms cant be THAT good" 🤡

[tardy dock]

Karjies who made the finals of the EU AWC Cup 1

is using Fatality

he's also using the +211k hp trinket

ofc he has Fyralath too

pve weapon being BiS for pvp nice job blizz

[mild thunder]

this has been the case with every legendary ever in the history of legendaries

[wheat jay]

Cuz it's the best trinket at high rating

[mild thunder]

not having fyralath is not losing you games

[wheat jay]

True lol

Fyralath is a small bonus

[tardy dock]

here his talents

[mild thunder]

these bait complaints of shit that doesnt impact people is getting cringe

[tardy dock]

he used the same talents all 3 maps

he used Storm of Destruction + Safeguard all 3 maps, 2 maps he used War Banner, 1 map he used Disarm

[mild thunder]

this is all pretty standard. pvp talents are always matchup dependant

[wheat jay]

So he changed situational talents when situation called for it

[mild thunder]

🤯

[wheat jay]

Like, there's nothing out of ordinary

That's what you do on arms

Sharpen blade is always taken

[tardy dock]

he didnt take sharpen blade

not even 1 map

[wheat jay]

Then it's between storm, disarm, safeguard, disarm, banner

Hmm that's one surprising thing then

[tardy dock]

yeah his talents also look weird

he takes Fatality

[mild thunder]

his talents are literally standard

[wheat jay]

Nah not really

[tardy dock]

takes shockwave

[mild thunder]

yes...

[wheat jay]

Standard

[mild thunder]

that's all standard lol

[tardy dock]

well i copied notmagnusz talents

and these are his

he's rank 1 and 3 in 2v2 in NA

[mild thunder]

those are not mag talents lol

[wheat jay]

2s talents I believe

[tardy dock]

very very different talents

[mild thunder]

i dont believe it

at all

[tardy dock]

yes go check his profile

he changed to fury ystd

but his arms talents remain

that i copied before he changed to fury

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/notmagnusz

[mild thunder]

yep, just checked his armory

just checked his alt too

idk dude

[wheat jay]

Cap

[tardy dock]

yeah the night and day difference between magnusz's talents and Karijes talents are insane

now im not sure what to run

[mild thunder]

he's playing the most stock-standard build in both lol

[mild thunder]

their talents are almost identical...

what

[wheat jay]

Maybe he was doing some pve

[tardy dock]

no theres many differences

[mild thunder]

dude

i literally

just linked you mag's active talents

on alt and main

[wheat jay]

Fam, reading comprehension 101

Don't check wow armory,

Go checkpvp

[tardy dock]

what's the difference

[mild thunder]

he's logged on fury so check-pvp is useless

he's a pve main

[tardy dock]

well his arms talents remain but unknown if they're for pvp and pve

wait

[mild thunder]

i literally linked you his arms talents

wtf

it's a standard pvp build

ok im getting heated for no reason

but tldr; both their builds are standard pvp with pretty normal variance

[tardy dock]

ok so when i typed !talents in magnusz's chat the string there is much closer now

[mild thunder]

whatever you linked was a pve build

[tardy dock]

yes it seems like his arms talents are now pve

even tho he's fury

so he played arms pvp, then played arms pve, then played fury

so Karijes doesn't take +5% ms and +5% as on left, instead he takes Bitter Immunity and Cacaphonous Roar

[wheat jay]

All situational

Depending on what comp you play against

Same with pvp talents

[tardy dock]

and for right side he takes Fatality and Fueled by Violence instead of Improved Execute and Exhilarting Blows

so 4 different talents

[mild thunder]

yes"?

okay?

dude what's the point lmao

[tardy dock]

yeah but he took all the same talents for all 3 maps

[mild thunder]

because he was versing the same comp, dude

[tardy dock]

the point is i'm comparing talents to see which ones are best

[mild thunder]

it's situational

there is no real "best in all situations"

they're also playing tournaments into a weird af comp they've probably barely fought before

[final charm]

is there any usage for skullsplitter in solo shuffle?

[mild thunder]

no

[tardy dock]

so how do i know what to use

[mild thunder]

by playing standard builds, getting used to different talents and learning what is good and when

you're not a r1 player

[tardy dock]

i use battlefield commander is that good

[mild thunder]

you're not playing in tourneys

you're not losing games because of XYZ minor talent

that's the truth

[tardy dock]

he also plays Orc is this to counter rogues?

so they can't cc lock him?

[mild thunder]

yes, orc is good into ww/rogue

this will not affect how you actually perform in games

[tardy dock]

so this is like 2.5k dmg per sec

the talent that heals us for 85% of it

it's around 2k healing per sec

basically nothing right?

unless the +36% dmg dealt also works for the 85% healing?

[mild thunder]

lots of nothings add up to something. kari's job in that comp and matchup was to be a livelord and keep his team alive. these talents will not have a major impact on a beginner player's experience so obsessing over it is redacted

[tardy dock]

wait i think it's because there's 3 enemy members

but in 2v2 there's only 2

so u can apply it to less people

maybe that's why magnusz instead takes 20% chance for MS to reset itself over this

and also because u have a healer that specifically focuses u

while in 3v3 he might be busy healing the 3rd guy

[violet fossil]

ur overthinking it

[mild thunder]

no shit

[tardy dock]

i'm perfectionist i wanna optimize everything

[mild thunder]

optimise your gameplay first

[tardy dock]

i also think this talent is easier to use cuz if enemy healer is hiding behind LOS u have to go all the way to him to apply it to him and then back to the dps

[mild thunder]

you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever do this

[tardy dock]

yeah exactly

its not easy to get it applied to both people if the healer is sitting a long distance away from the melee dps

thus u might not get full value from the healing if the bleed is not applied to both people

but u always get full value from the MS 20% reset chance

so i think this makes it a better talent

at least in 2v2

but we can do some math too, if MS has a 5 sec cd, u can use it 12 times per min, so u get 2.4 resets per min, now the question is does the extra dmg dealt with using MS over using a filler more than the extra healing u got from the 2k or possibly 4k healing per sec

[mild thunder]

oh my fucking god

[violet fossil]

💀

[tardy dock]

we need to do more math to figure this out

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge

come give your r1 opinion pls

[tardy dock]

we need a person with a big brain

a really really big brain

also it's kinda weird that magnus is using the 20% ms reset chance talent but not the fatality talent, considering the obvious synergy together, while karjies is using fatality but not the 20% ms reset chance

cuz more MS means more fatality stacks

[elfin surge]

@cinder kernel

[mild thunder]

hmm, so weird

[tardy dock]

yeah the talents have such obvious synergy

also fatality i think synergizes with no improved execution

cuz if ur 1 execute before the cd kicks in deals a ridiculous dmg

thanks to fatality, then it compensates sorta for not being able to back to back spam executes

so it makes sense karjies didnt take improved execution

[mild thunder]

this is all so true bro

i think you should go ask in magnusz chat

https://www.twitch.tv/magnusz

[tribal urchin]

is there such a thing as too much vers in pvp?

[violet fossil]

💀

[fallen estuary]

I can ask mag why aussie lands filled with horrific lovecraftian 8 legged monsters

[teal hedge]

You are becoming less coherent

[rotund trellis]

AWC EU semi finals were the best arena I've seen in a long time

finals as well

[teal hedge]

Missed them :(

[rotund trellis]

watch the vod on youtube

insane

[teal hedge]

But it doesn't surprise me that EU provided peak

As usual

[rotund trellis]

echo vs hoolibang

[teal hedge]

Can't find that match, mind linking it=?

[rotund trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF2X9Jgs-Eg

stream is still going

you gotta have to scroll back

[teal hedge]

Balls

[rotund trellis]

team liquid is playing now, but it's just so boring

shaman/rogue/boomie playing pika and co in a race to who's the greedies healer of all time

[random fractal]

dumb question but does precog get procced by things like silence

[teal hedge]

Should just be kicks

[random fractal]

seeing some melee running it and it procs sometimes weirdly enough

[violet fossil]

unholys pet procs it

[random fractal]

ahhh

is that the leap ability the pet has, i dont play dk so im brainless

[mild thunder]

yes

only in transform tho

[violet fossil]

i believe leap procs it too

[mild thunder]

outside of transform?

[violet fossil]

might be smoking

i think

I’ll test when I can

[mild thunder]

it'd be some super weird bug if so

[random fractal]

aight ty, anything else that could proc it other than the normal kicks classes have that you can think of

[mild thunder]

i doubt it purely because i feel like i wouldve heard/noticed it

[mild thunder]

mages can send kick into spell reflect and precog themselves

same as warlock shield pre sure

[teal hedge]

I gotta ask

You fellas mew?

[mild thunder]

dk can too

maybe dh

[mild thunder]

whenever im not gooning, im mewing and looksmaxxing

gooning is goated tho, edging is an L

for the streets fr

[teal hedge]

I am going to kill myself and you will be credited

[mild thunder]

no better way to start the morning than by hitting the double blinker straight into a 3hr goon sesh

[teal hedge]

L rizz no cap

[mild thunder]

i fucking love being a zoomer

[teal hedge]

These gamers with entire families won't get it

"Sorry for getting on late, had to get my kid from daycare"

"No problem, I was busy mewing whilst rizzing up this gyatt, on baby gronk"

[mild thunder]

"sorry bro, cant do arenas tonight, i cant break my mewing streak"

[teal hedge]

"Going non verbal, gotta looksmaxx"

[mild thunder]

"won't be able to log on tonight, going straight to Blinkerton"

[tardy dock]

prob at 30% penalty its too much

10% is ok

not sure about 20%

[teal hedge]

Dude you gotta realise that SO many of the older wow players reguarly hit the penjamin whilst gaming

One of my many GMs is a stoner lol

[mild thunder]

98% of wow players are hitting the blunt

[teal hedge]

Fair enough

[mild thunder]

i believe it

if i find out my healer is high, i leave group

sorry not sorry

[teal hedge]

I gotta get to gaming drunk

One of my buddies is coming by in a little while, gonna see if she can't help me purchase liquor alcohol

[mild thunder]

make an NA toon and we can do some drunk 2s

you wont

[mild thunder]

you cant buy alcohol?

[teal hedge]

Getting drunk is just not economical for me

Ya

[mild thunder]

wtf

what's the age there

[hasty pulsar]

Dang no wonder solo shuffle suk so much everyone is drunk

[teal hedge]

Age for buying liquor / anything over 4% in stores is 20 in Sweden.

[mild thunder]

sweden is fascist

[teal hedge]

I can buy liquor in pubs

But the state owns the right to all alcohol

[hasty pulsar]

Interesting

[mild thunder]

is this 1940????

communist state fr

[teal hedge]

They've a monopoly, but it's for the best

Most swedes can't really handle their alcohol, sadly

[mild thunder]

australians think they can handle their alcohol

[teal hedge]

Our national drink is moonshine for a reason lol

[mild thunder]

they cannot

[teal hedge]

Swedes are awful

We have a cold, strict culture and drinking is a good way to soften that up and socialise

But many people overdo it

[mild thunder]

dutch > swedes > norwegians > fins >>>>>>> danes

[teal hedge]

Absolutely rancid, except the danes part

That I agree on

[mild thunder]

nah the dutch are bis

[teal hedge]

But why include the dutch lol

[mild thunder]

because im ethnically dutch

[teal hedge]

They're not even the same flavour of germanic we are

[mild thunder]

and i just wanted to assert that we're better than you

[teal hedge]

Swamp germans

[violet fossil]

21 here to buy alcohol but you can drink with a parent lol

[mild thunder]

US?

[teal hedge]

Didn't inherit no damn height genes

[violet fossil]

yeah

was 18

[mild thunder]

SHUT UP

i inherited the big nose genes tho

[teal hedge]

For the best, bigger the nose the better

Smaller noses make for an uninteresting face

[violet fossil]

:<

[mild thunder]

small noses are for women

[violet fossil]

take it back

[tardy dock]

i dont understand why when i cast avatar

i start spinning in a circle

like i used bladestorm>?

[violet fossil]

MAN

[tardy dock]

except i didnt

[teal hedge]

Because you have blademaster

[mild thunder]

LOL

[teal hedge]

Dude

And you're out here arguing?

[violet fossil]

ur trolling

[tardy dock]

oh

[mild thunder]

its bait

its bait

its bait

its bait

[teal hedge]

[mild thunder]

its bait

[violet fossil]

lmao

[teal hedge]

Yeah I had my first beer my 18th birthday and I did not like it

Was some nasty wheat beer

[violet fossil]

my dad let me try beer when i was 14

[teal hedge]

I usually like frutier or pissier beers :P

[violet fossil]

and wine coolers

[mild thunder]

i purchased liquor at like 15

for the first time

i was agemaxxing

[teal hedge]

I was offered beer when I was in Spain at 17 or smth, but never felt the need to drink

[violet fossil]

beer looks good but I can’t with the taste

[mild thunder]

beer tastes like literal ass

[teal hedge]

I just feel nasty afterwards you know

Drinking a beer is like eating a sandwich to me

You get so bloated

[violet fossil]

yeah it’s nasty

[mild thunder]

you guys tried vegemite?

on the topic of sangers