pvp

[mild thunder]

or just stick to the tried-and-true that actually works..?

you don’t need to reinvent the wheel if the wheel still works

[urban skiff]

yes, let's have another 20 years of literally nothing changes but numbers

[lavish quest]

It kind of was. But it's not anymore.

[mild thunder]

do you think nothing has changed but numbers?

from vanilla-now

[urban skiff]

Do you think a single of those changes in the last 20 years couldn't be rejected by the argument you've used against having another role?

the game wasn't designed for feral being split into two specs

the game wasn't designed for adding more classes

The game wasn't designed for arenas

Heck. The game actually wasn't even designed for instanced pvp when it was designed

I just don't understand where the arbitrary line is drawn or why it has to be drawn in that specific spot.

So, I'm going to continue to celebrate changes that keeps the game fresh. I don't have to agree with them, but I can appreciate that they keep my interest infinitely better than the opposite: a completely unchanging game.

[wheat jay]

Ye wasnt designed for mythic raiding and m+ either

But now it is

Wotlk had the most popular pvp as well, structured pvp

Mop had super popular pvp, with also big focus on raiding and introduction of mythic

WoD had among highest pvp participations as well

And 0 focus on dungeons

Whereas legion and subsequent expansions were designed with m+ in mind

Design directions change every expansion

[urban skiff]

I haven't been to a single design meeting at Blizzard. I'm not going to pretend that I know what the game was or wasn't designed for. But I can venture a guess that with the addition of a support role, the game is now designed around having support classes.

Now we just wait for them to get it right

[wheat jay]

Or hopefully remove it since the game is not in a state where it could ever be implemented

Without breaking the game

And making support either useless or broken beyond reason

[urban skiff]

Spriest already is a support class

[mild thunder]

1. this isnt a game-altering change
2. new classes come on expansions that massively update the game, not midseason (and those classes fall into the traditional 3 roles)
3. no, it wasnt and we can see how that negatively affects pvp

[wheat jay]

How

It has one ability that helps teammates

[mild thunder]

having utility =/= support spec

[urban skiff]

How many does aug have that helps team mates?

[mild thunder]

all dps have utility

[urban skiff]

Aug is just above average utility dps

[wheat jay]

That gives your teammates thorns with armor, bonus dmg, healing

Other specs dont really give you bonus damage

[mild thunder]

man, it's pretty above average lmao

[urban skiff]

PI is bonus damage, skyfury totem is bonus damage

[wheat jay]

Especially in pve you dont have classes giving you +30% dmg

Except aug which does it

[urban skiff]

If anything aug is the only spec that boosts healer's healing

[wheat jay]

Intervene

Sorry, innervate

[mild thunder]

druids dont have innervate, shamans dont have mana spring totem or w/e it's called?

[violet fossil]

was like uhh

when was that change xD

[wheat jay]

Aug also broke logs and dps meters completely

[urban skiff]

I'm ok with breaking logs

[wheat jay]

Why, that's the only reason people reclear raids lol

[urban skiff]

get people back into playing the game instead of looking at logs. Just break the entire combat log

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Way to kill raiding

[urban skiff]

Monster Hunter is fun and you don't need a combat log to enjoy it

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

????

[mild thunder]

because monster hunter isnt a competitive endgame pve mmo

logs are wow at this point

[wheat jay]

Bro, wow has 0 replayability after you clear content

That's what raider.io and warcraflogs are for

[urban skiff]

Wow is competitive as much as 8th league football for children

it's as competitive as you make it.

[wheat jay]

It is literally the most competetive pve game on the market

[mild thunder]

^

[urban skiff]

there are competitions to complete rubix cubes the fastest. That don't make rubix cube solving a competitive sport

[mild thunder]

rwf viewership is actually kinda insane ngl

[wheat jay]

Rwf having hundreds of thousand viewers

Both on yt and Twitch

Huge events being made for it

[urban skiff]

I don't know a single person who watches it

[wheat jay]

That doesn't make it any less popular

[urban skiff]

I don't know the type of person who does, but they're hiding really well if they're among the people I know

[wheat jay]

Its literally the biggest event in wow

[mild thunder]

maybe because you are and play with casuals (not a bad thing)?

[wheat jay]

Wow has two big events

[urban skiff]

This is also a huge sidetrack

[mild thunder]

but the game shouldnt be catered purely to casuals

[wheat jay]

Rwf, and launch of the expansion

[urban skiff]

It's not in any way catered purely to casuals, so no toes have been stepped on

[wheat jay]

Thing about catering to casuals, you can cater to hardcore players and casuals will still play cuz they dont care xD

[urban skiff]

Guilds can still compete without logs

[mild thunder]

so true bestie

[urban skiff]

Rubix cube competitions don't have logs over which moves people make. There's just a timer and who is fastest

[wheat jay]

How are you going to verify players without logs?

[mild thunder]

you dont think they use past-performances and whatnot to strategise?

like how people use logs to analyse their performances?

[urban skiff]

how do you verify m+ run times?

[wheat jay]

If I have a choice to invite someone with 3 CE from past raids and someone with zero cuz they dont have logs, guess who im inviting

[wheat jay]

You dont verify time, you verify the level of the key they completed

[urban skiff]

extreme casuals exhibit this behavior as well. It's a sickness, not something that uplifts the community

[urban skiff]

without the logs, right?

[wheat jay]

There is raider.io for it

Which is an equivalent

[urban skiff]

It's almost like blizzard could add an ingame counter instead of relying on third party websites to parse logs, thereby eliminating the need for logs

[wheat jay]

They did

[urban skiff]

almost

[wheat jay]

There is a counter for it

For both score and timed keys

People still often check raiderio because it shows you more information

[lavish quest]

There's 3 ways to make Aug work.

1. Get the community to get over its min max obsession. (Never gonna happen.)
2. Make shit so it doesn't matter.
3. Make it a DPS.

Choose between 2 and 3

[mild thunder]

3

all my homies vote 3

[wheat jay]

When making a group for endgame content you check for good people, Imagine its like checking someone's CV

[wheat jay]

3

[mild thunder]

CV's should be abolished tho, just figure it out without a CV

[wheat jay]

Lol

Like, I get your points Zercher, but people are competitive

And people are more competitive in pve than pvp

Due to the audience

[urban skiff]

Ironically you can get jobs with lies on your resume but WoW raiding has to be ironclad so nobody gets a free ride

kinda wild

[wheat jay]

Well, ye

[urban skiff]

People take this game way too seriously

[wheat jay]

Unless you're like me who has a guild

[violet fossil]

Aug shouldn’t have been its own spec

[wheat jay]

Just did fyrakk heroic on 430ilvl warrior

[violet fossil]

just spilt into dev

[wheat jay]

Didnt drop legendary sadly:(

[urban skiff]

460 here

[wheat jay]

But I also have 484 dh

[mild thunder]

but you dont have to. if you dont like the competitive aspects of pve/pvp, no one is forcing you to interact with them

you can choose not to download details, check logs/rating etc.

and do your own thing

[wheat jay]

On whom I joined my guild when they didnt have a player for mythic

So i got one mythic kill xD

[urban skiff]

And you don't have to interact with aug if you don't want to.

[mild thunder]

but i do lol

because top-end content requires aug

[wheat jay]

Also, speaking about events, just backtracking a bit, TGP was the biggest wow event ever iirc

[urban skiff]

Just ignore logs with augs and compare yourself to those without

[wheat jay]

With highest viewer count during finals

[urban skiff]

You're aiming to be the best self you can be. Not to be better than everyone else

[wheat jay]

Logs fixed it already

They split the dmg fairly well

Problem is aug exists anyway

So you face it in pve, and pvp

[mild thunder]

plenty of people do aim to be the literal best...

[wheat jay]

And facing and unkillable, unslowable spec that heals, does same dmg as other dps, is just bad design that begs for removal

[urban skiff]

That's their choice. Just as it's their choice to be extremely resistant to changes that shakes up their world view. Instead of accepting them and rolling with the blows.

[mild thunder]

also yes, aug in pvp was ultra-cringe

[wheat jay]

Competitiveness is all about being BETTER THAN OTHERS tho

That's the main idea

Sure, striving to be better self is amazing

But its not competitive

You have to compete with other poeple to be competitive

[urban skiff]

You're already better than everyone else. 🙂

[wheat jay]

And wow pve is very competitive

[wheat jay]

Wrong, I dont have logs 100, only 99

[mild thunder]

no he's not

(im better)

[wheat jay]

Im better than you tho, that's good enough for this expansion

I'm going back to survi btw, fuck dh

Dh tank is MAD fun tho

[mild thunder]

gigachadddd

[urban skiff]

I used to raid mythic and clear almost every raid

[mild thunder]

your 2500xp is from unchained tho, mine's from obsidian 🤓

[urban skiff]

I never had a competitive bone in my body

[mild thunder]

and im higher xp on warr

🤓

[urban skiff]

You're also the best. 🙂

[mild thunder]

no, bicmex is the best

[wheat jay]

SEND PROOF

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

0.4% top of the ladder

[urban skiff]

I'm trying but genuinely can't remember what the achievements are called

[wheat jay]

Cutting Edge

[mild thunder]

i played kitty cleave to 2100

in s1

[wheat jay]

Furry

Disgusting

I only play with true men that play warriors

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge kitty cleave defamation

[lavish quest]

Full cleared heroic every week since week 2. No leggo

[wheat jay]

Respectable

Now gimme those tasty logs

[wheat jay]

Cmon, dont be shy habibi

Jesus

[urban skiff]

My logs are grey

on a good day blue

[wheat jay]

Oof

[mild thunder]

gigachad

[wheat jay]

Well, as long as the boss is dead logs can be gray

[urban skiff]

yea and that's my point

I don't get any happier from a high log. I get happier from beating a boss

[wheat jay]

I still compare myself to people, checking logs is fun

[mild thunder]

sure but boss being dead isnt the be-all end-all of competitive raiding

[wheat jay]

If it was noone would reclear raids

[mild thunder]

and some people do just enjoy mastering their spec, analysing logs etc.

[urban skiff]

Guilds should compete over the best kill time, not who does it earliest

[wheat jay]

Finding mistakes on logs so you can flame guildies

That's the best part

[mild thunder]

so true bestie

[urban skiff]

The best kills matter to me way more than being first

[wheat jay]

"BITCH YOU DIDNT DO THE MECHANIC"

[mild thunder]

"other people should compete over what i tell them to"

idk man

[wheat jay]

Why not both?

I had 2 warriors in my group, point of honor was to be doing more dmg

[urban skiff]

I don't want to tell people what to do. I thought it was clear it's my opinion. I'm 100% for people playing their way

[urban skiff]

I was always the worse warrior. The worse dk. The worse feral

[wheat jay]

Smh

One time I had a gigachad Liam doing lower dps

[urban skiff]

But I was there and I did my mechanics and pulled my weight, until I had kids and staying focused wasn't easy anymore

[mild thunder]

im the chad that shows up in full pvp gear and out-dpses all the tryhard raiders and i couldnt do that w/o logs

[urban skiff]

And here I am, forever 1400 pvp'er

[wheat jay]

And we needed to squeeze a Tiny bit more dps into the boss

[mild thunder]

no, i do not have flasks
no, i do not care

[wheat jay]

Gave him small advice on how to iimprove opener

Man skyrocketed

Liam was a nice guy

[mild thunder]

i also refuse to play optimal builds if they're cringe (im not playing convoke idgaf how good it is)

[wheat jay]

Convoke is the non-cringe build

You oneshot people

[mild thunder]

n.o.

[wheat jay]

Wanna know what feral should be, split bleed dmg spec, with 0 burst

[mild thunder]

convoke is for people that dont know what buttons to press so they rng channel bite procs

[mild thunder]

nah

it should be wayyyy more bleed dmg and the burst should be around ff

pw should be its own bleed

[lavish quest]

Without pots mostly

[mild thunder]

rip should spread to 2 nearby targets after you press TF

bite power should be redistributed

[lavish quest]

[mild thunder]

ff should make all your dots tick 100% faster for 6 seconds

[wheat jay]

Prot chad

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

@knotty atlas we got one of your people here

[mild thunder]

i forget to press pots anyway because i never trust my guild will actually kill and im too poor to waste them

[lavish quest]

If I actually tried I could bump those up a bit 😂

[lavish quest]

Don't have em unless someone drops a cauldron

I didn't get millions of gold by potting

[urban skiff]

Peak feral was cataclysm. Shred and mangle still on the menu, occasionally you'd shred at max combo points. FB for sub 25% and once during each rip

berserk felt like going berserk

[mild thunder]

nah

there's no such thing as peak class design in classic era

current feral is mostly well-designed, just needs some tweaks

but the spec plays smoothly, incarn feels very impactful, you've got a decent amount of buffs to track etc.

[urban skiff]

I haven't touched my feral since we got talent trees. It just became too overwhelming to try and make it feel like before

😦

[mild thunder]

wdym "like before"?

[urban skiff]

Before the talent trees

[mild thunder]

like SL?

[urban skiff]

sure

[mild thunder]

yea, because the spec got a soft rework

because SL feral was shit

(in pve)

[urban skiff]

I liked SL feral

[mild thunder]

SL feral was brainrot

apply rip
never apply rip again

[urban skiff]

been feral since vanilla so it was kinda annoying to suddenly feel bad in my spec

[mild thunder]

the only thing SL had that i want back is savage roar

[urban skiff]

I just to like SR, it made me feel special to be able to keep it up

Now I realize it was mostly super boring

Feral felt most fun for me when snapshotting dots was a thing

we're never getting that back

[mild thunder]

it's just about adding an additional spender to manage your CP budget

[mild thunder]

that's... still a thing

what

[urban skiff]

no it's not

[mild thunder]

yes it is lol

[urban skiff]

no

[mild thunder]

yes...

[urban skiff]

it used to snapshot your stats at the moment of application

trinket up when you rip? enjoy full duration of trinket boosted damage

[mild thunder]

you still snapshot with TF, stealth/SA, BT, MoC and probably some other stuff im forgetting

[urban skiff]

that's snapshotting lite as dictated by rotation

it's not real snapshotting

[mild thunder]

no, that's snapshotting lol

some buffs should be dynamic, rules get super finnicky otherwise

to say there's no snapshotting at all (even tho the spec is still based around snapshotting) is just dumb

[urban skiff]

there's no snapshotting

there's a rotation / priority list

[mild thunder]

which involves...?

[urban skiff]

this

[mild thunder]

snapshotting, yea thanks

[urban skiff]

snapshotting lite for babies 🙂

[mild thunder]

lmao

[urban skiff]

The old snapshotting was no rules, anything goes.

It's why it felt good

adding it on purpose defeats the purpose of feeling like you're beating the system

[mild thunder]

ikr i hate when blizz actually improves their design

so bad reeeeee

[urban skiff]

Your improved design is my ruined design

You asked why I don't think it feels right and I gave my answer

[mild thunder]

it's most people's improved design, considering the spec has flourished

[urban skiff]

so how about them augs, i hear they eat babies and shit glitter

Feral isn't more popular. Feral players have more alts

[mild thunder]

ngl i didnt expect your answer to be that dumb 🙂

[urban skiff]

then clearly you haven't been paying attention

Because I'm as dumb as they get

And I don't pretend to be anything else

[thick reef]

dont say that abt urself

u will get better w practice

[urban skiff]

I'm lucky if I can play enough games per week to vault one toon

I'll have time to git gut when kids grow up

[hasty pulsar]

anyone have any tips or resources for arms solo queue, I am around 1600 and last 3 matches were a draw for me, basically didnt win or lose and feel like I am hitting a wall :/

[boreal stone]

take a look at the pvp gameplay review channel

i made a pretty long list of things to look out for

[hasty pulsar]

ok thank you so much

[mild thunder]

kids ruin everything smh

[rotund trellis]

fuck solo, hit me up I'll heal you in 2s or 3s

[warm thistle]

how is prot for pvp? Figured id ask cuz i bought a shield for mog but if i can use it why not

id be doin solo shuffle most likely

[rotund trellis]

[warm thistle]

it was just 450 conquest lol. Im arms main anyways

[lavish quest]

My guild knows me too much and they don't even pvp

[teal hedge]

Are you 32 years old

[lavish quest]

Nope

U?

[teal hedge]

Ah was just a hunch

I am 63 years old

[lavish quest]

Probably

[teal hedge]

Right?

[lavish quest]

Left

[teal hedge]

I concur

[rose carbon]

is it worth using fyr'alath in pvp?

Or would you guys get the pvp weapon from the vendor?

[mild thunder]

yes

high ilvl = good

https://www.wowhead.com/news/additional-class-tuning-coming-tomorrow-pvp-tuning-337298?webhook

[fallen estuary]

Warrior
Armored to the Teeth effectiveness increased by 45% in PvP.

https://youtu.be/FbKOJXphem8?si=m-_2qqMpmE7G4Xxc

[eternal hare]

so is it 45% of armor or 14.5% of armor lol the wording is kinda awkward

can't be 45% that's too phat

[lavish quest]

14.5%

The effect is being increased. So the effect is 10% of armor, so now it will be 14.5%

[limber relic]

Demon Skin increases armor by 22.5%/45% in PvP (was 45%/90%).

[rotund trellis]

just to make things easier on new players.
"yea you got armor, that mitigates damage, but hold on, you also got versatility that decrease damage, BUT armore is decreased by 30% when you enter the arena....no no you can't see it from your character spreadsheet, you have to attack a pvp target dummy. yeah, wait, because now you have to add the armor increased by the talent "armored to the teeth"

edit: "hol up tho! remember that now Armored to the Teeth is buffed by 45% in arena!"

what a a joke

[boreal stone]

45% buff to the talent in pvp, making it 14.5%

I did the math, we are GAINING a very SMALL amount of main stat tomorrow

coming out to about 20 main stat increase over current

[rotund trellis]

can you share your math?

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

source

trust him

[eternal hare]

current armor * .7 * .145

[limber relic]

the nerf is literally midigation of the armor nerf

so its + - 0

[violet fossil]

cacophonous roar about to be lit

[limber relic]

13700 armor rn and we'll drop to like 9800 ish

[hot solstice]

imagine remembering how nerfed is every arms talent in pvp

its like a parallel world

[limber relic]

fear will break on around 180k dmg

XDDD

if u take fear talent for warr

[cosmic vapor]

[stable siren]

thats 8 mortal strikes! or one shadow bolt

(for legal reasons this is a joke)

[urban skiff]

Net armor buff, for anyone wondering

[knotty atlas]

Where are the pings for me about the Warrior pvP buffs? And to update pins etc.

[mild thunder]

by 3%

who cares

@knotty atlas warrior got nerfed + buffed

[knotty atlas]

Sounds reasonable.

[magic wing]

Ret got buffed like a mf

If it translates to pvp

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872557080819691591/1199037037496508617/image.png?ex=65c11542&is=65aea042&hm=63e8a60cfa580283da81a57b935ea7f144ec001fb5095349272ad3f1505849c0&

[mild thunder]

arms is F tier

[fickle forge]

Was actually the dumbest shit

Oh you trinketed 1 fear so you could do your Serenity burst? Guess you die in a lasso switch now

No CDs used

[mild thunder]

tbf trinketing fear is max greed lol

[fickle forge]

It's good value if you play WW and your kill window is tied to it

I didn't pop any CDs

Maybe ret had wings on Idk

[mild thunder]

it’s not

[fickle forge]

But he died in a lasso swap

[mild thunder]

if you need serenity to kill as ww, you’re bad

[fickle forge]

Either way, dying in a random swap is

[lavish quest]

Need warrior buffs first sir

🫡

[fickle forge]

You're gaining aboug 1.5% more strength after the patch is what you need to know

[worldly nymph]

hi all, i am new to pvp but have solid understanding of the game pve (3k rio, 7/9 mythic)
i want to learn how to do pvp and progress that

i am having tons of questions but i am guessing there are some great guides that i can watch before i coming to ask those

so - is there any guide that i can watch?
i searched some guides on youtube but its generally explaining the build and not much else,

(i play fury warr )

i need a guide that will go over from 0 as i am really dont know anything about pvp,
i am having 486.5 ilvl, all of this ofc coming from raid and keys

[weary sphinx]

I think u prob need a coaching

[mild thunder]

reality is pve skill set does not transfer to pvp

especially raiding

[winged quest]

first step click on the arm spec

next step zugzug to the death

[worldly nymph]

yes, but i can start with guides that already up on some web or youtube, i just dont know where to look for it?

[worldly nymph]

i know, thats why i mentioned i am have 0 knowladge at this point, but i do know how to learn with the right guides

which is what i am looking for 😄

[winged quest]

look for high rated stream

[worldly nymph]

any recomendations for good streamer?

[winged quest]

https://check-pvp.fr/ranking?region=eu&faction=all&realm=all&specs=71,72,73&classes=1&sort=rateatm3v3&order=desc&page=1

here u can see who stream

[worldly nymph]

ty

i will check it

[winged quest]

there is magnusz too but i dont see him stream so much pvp lately

[weary sphinx]

Guides usually only tell u the build and gear. Which most often are not even correct. Almost no one plays fury in pvp.

[winged quest]

i think he want a wow pvp 101 guide more than a warrior pvp spec guide

[worldly nymph]

i dont mind going arms, but i need to learn how to use gear, and the basic concepts

when to use skills, how to use the map layout

and so on

[grand scaffold]

Get skillcapped tbh

It's affordable

[worldly nymph]

ty sir

[winged quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb1fMTIwPg4

[worldly nymph]

tyvm for all the help. i will check it alsop

[winged quest]

np

[lavish quest]

Do big dam early do big dam often

[molten dock]

Yeah about that.

I struggle to do big dam. Maybe because the perfect rotation is unknown to me. 90% of my wins are because good CC or big fat lucky crit on exec. Any advice ?

[raw summit]

Hit dummy till u do big dam

[lavish quest]

In general just send your cds on cd. MS is prio, but you can OP first if you have 2 charges so you don't waste a charge reset. Thunderclap for rends/rage spend CDR. During smash try to stick to MS and OP if possible to maximize the pressure in the window. Outside of the window you can derp a bit with Thunderclap cause it gives you CDR to your next smash. Stuff like that

[molten dock]

Aight thanks !

[buoyant chasm]

Is hard to reach 1.8 in solo as fury?

[teal hedge]

It's a grind, the mmr hasd been pretty unruly as of recent, but just stick with it and you'll get it eventually.

[wheat jay]

If you can slap damage 1800 is easy as anything

[boreal stone]

Magnusz, laros, exzistance (when he’s actually playing warrior)

Idk about EU warriors, maybe joefernandes.

Warrior isn’t that good in 3s atm, so most of them either rerolled DH/DK, or started pveing

[teal hedge]

Oh that's another thing, isn't the ladder pretty radically different in NA and EU?

[boreal stone]

Less wars on EU

[teal hedge]

I remember reading something about warriors running majority bleed in season 1 dragonflight in EU whilst NA had more spear

I'd bet that EU is overall harder as well

[boreal stone]

I just put my guide in the #promotion channel. I cover damage in it 🙂

[teal hedge]

You EU or NA?

[molten dock]

Aight thanks mate

[boreal stone]

I’m Na

[teal hedge]

Hell yeag

[winged quest]

place africa on a map

[teal hedge]

Africa is somewhere here I tink

[winged quest]

certified NA u can pass

[teal hedge]

Don't mind the language of the map

Or the language of my keyboard

It is not important

[winged quest]

idk im french i only know french

[teal hedge]

Ma bite me démange ‼️

[boreal stone]

it almost looks german

is it like dutch?

[teal hedge]

Close! It's swedish

[waxen ginkgo]

What is armored to the teeth

[winged quest]

an illusion

[fickle forge]

Huh???

[boreal stone]

Its the talent right above avatar. it gave us 10% of our armor stat also as strength

[boreal stone]

name one warrior that actually plays high rated 3s every night

then name one that plays rogue, DH, or Dk

[fickle forge]

What the fuck does that have to do with warr viability lmao

[boreal stone]

Theres more frost dks top 50 in 3s than warriors

[fickle forge]

I know only 1 destro gamer, but it's a top tier caster

[boreal stone]

that says enough

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-plan-coping-kid-the-kid-is-coping-gif-26280717

[boreal stone]

2 frost dks, 0 warriors

[fickle forge]

NA issue

[boreal stone]

EU

KEKW

[fickle forge]

NA scuffed as per usual

[teal hedge]

EU is the more respectable region to play in tbh

More players, and more competent players at that

[winged quest]

EU>NA

[boreal stone]

NA>EU by far

[winged quest]

🍿

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-plan-coping-kid-the-kid-is-coping-gif-26280717

[boreal stone]

Theres less players on EU

LOL

[teal hedge]

Still, we better

[fickle forge]

Don't know, I know more names from EU than NA during AWC

[winged quest]

more people doesnt mean better people

see america

[teal hedge]

EU has all of the enthusiast countries though

Sweden is really huge in wow

[fickle forge]

Russia

[winged quest]

russian players give me ptsd

[wheat jay]

Bruh best you can offer is some old dudes playing mongo cleave

Like cdew and the pray for oneshot crew

[violet fossil]

eu more like pu

[urban skiff]

changes in yet?

[wheat jay]

For NA yes I believe

[urban skiff]

do we like?

Our dmg vs ret, hpal, dk just shot up

[fickle forge]

Wonder if Rdruid is trainable now

[wheat jay]

Survi more dmg hehehe

Me like

[lavish quest]

We love Mongo cleaves thank you

This is de wae

[limber relic]

guys

Amirdrassil 4 set bonus - Bonus damage for the triggered Thunder Clap increased to 200% (was 100%). Not applied to PvP Combat.

does this mean thunderclap now does 100% in pvp?

since its nerfed by 50&% in pvp?

[boreal stone]

not applied to pvp comnbat

[limber relic]

yeah

[boreal stone]

so no

[limber relic]

but

4set is nerfed by 50%

in pvp

[boreal stone]

if thebuff isnt applied to pvp, then the pvp numbers dont change

XD

[limber relic]

weirdly phrased tho

[violet fossil]

it’s another weirdly phrased change

[fallen estuary]

LMAO

[lavish quest]

Not really. The change does not apply in pvp. So... no change.

[craggy meteor]

We getting conq boxes 2moz or just removal of cap?

[fair cove]

https://twitter.com/leekatv/status/1749830873984410011

Chris (@leekatv) on X

Conquest Boxes!!

Twitter · Jan 23, 2024, 4:26 PM

Via Paladin Discord

[violet fossil]

there your answer lol

[craggy meteor]

TY

That's great news

[lavish quest]

Think conquest uncapped and the boxes always come together

[fervent oriole]

Hi everybody ! I am stuck with my war, I am not able to manage a rogue mage open. I am playing with monk heal and I have the feeling that I have nothing I can do ! Do you have some tips please?

[winged quest]

pray

[fervent oriole]

😂

[grand scaffold]

guys

do not fuck up your shuffle rating

rets are crushing everybody

holy shit

[fickle forge]

Spin, banner, fear, storm bolt, disarm, pre-wall etc.

You're the spec in the game that has the most utility for dealing with RM

You're obviously playing arms ofc

[wheat jay]

That's why you gotta play ret counter man

[eternal hare]

i wonder if we stack more vers even if it drs over 30

[grand scaffold]

im going back to lock

[fickle forge]

Kekw

Strongest FotM reroller mentality

[wheat jay]

Just don't play pvp

Easy

[grand scaffold]

😂

im alr 2100 on it

time to get 2500 on it

[sinful dune]

Mud told me to answer here, just basic answer on the opener.

Depends how they open. Good players will cc you first with db/sheep then stun your healer into sheep then stun you.

But most casual rogues use their healer/rogue strat and sap healer into kidney warr if they do that, bladestorm as soon as your healer gets sapped to ruin their opener.

Then go rogue and get his trinket with first stormbolt and go for kill each stun go.

Use reflect end of mage poly cast as he will try to peel you off the rogue when your healer is on sheep dr. If you dont have reflect, bladestorm/avatar bladestorm.

If rogue vanishes, pressure the mage.

This is just the basics. As i dont play warr, cant rly point about banner/intervene/fear and other utilities you use on their next go

[mild thunder]

we might be C tier now

[hasty pulsar]

did i read somewhere that we get more conquest or something now

[violet fossil]

yeah

and conquest boxes

[grand scaffold]

bro warr is shit fr now

[hasty pulsar]

ok so its automatic right i dont have to do anything

[grand scaffold]

ret just stomps us

demo feeling nice

[violet fossil]

nope

you’ll see a buff

spoils of war

or something like that

[grand scaffold]

better change it to spoilling warr

[hasty pulsar]

i dont have the buff tho

[violet fossil]

in bgs and arenas

you’ll see it

[hasty pulsar]

ohh ok thanks again

[rotund trellis]

I'm at work can't play today, how does it feel?

(I don't wanna scroll through 300 messages)

[grand scaffold]

im not playing it

going to play lockj

and ret

[fervent oriole]

Thank you for the answer ❤️

[sinful dune]

nps 🙂

[teal hedge]

Hell yeah hell yeah yeah yeah

Hell yeah

No more coughing up like 20-30% more via exchange rates

(Wow sub)

[violet fossil]

Huge

[grand scaffold]

2200 on demo

ez

[teal hedge]

Swedish crown has been shitting itself, so it's nice to see someone adapt it

[lavish quest]

Traitor

[grand scaffold]

nah dw

im still pumping 3s

[grand scaffold]

dude

recklessness

on 45 sec cd

vs caster cleave

47% uptime on the buff

ngl

anger management

im keeping up with ret dmg

yeah its better than reckless abandon

🙂

[glass orchid]

is this the no tier set fury

[grand scaffold]

idk

maybe

all i know

is this shit pumps

tempted to try smf annihilator and run this

to get a 30 sec cd on annihilator

weird ass build but its good

[glass orchid]

i wonder if its better to go with ravager

[grand scaffold]

it could be

[glass orchid]

instead of odyn

[grand scaffold]

could be

[glass orchid]

ravager with the 70% slow

pvp talent

[grand scaffold]

and then play the 20 rage per second talent

mega rampage spam

[boreal stone]

ur not doing any dmg

tbf

[boreal stone]

ur ret just runs at healers and wins the game for u

bubble and spell bop aggro btw

[grand scaffold]

uh

[grand scaffold]

.

[boreal stone]

rdruid nerfed btw

[grand scaffold]

😂

[boreal stone]

what a fucking joke

[grand scaffold]

that was you

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tell pelletbrain i said hi

[boreal stone]

he left

cant blame him

[grand scaffold]

oh

😦

[boreal stone]

two trashbins running at him on the smallest map

doing nothing good

all game

[grand scaffold]

lol

[boreal stone]

u cant tell me im wrong either

lmfao

[wheat jay]

i meaaaaaaaaan

he also had a lot more to heal

[boreal stone]

hpal went oom

[wheat jay]

that's why his hps is that much higher

[boreal stone]

rdruid had 50% mana

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

also

[boreal stone]

for sure bro

[wheat jay]

deserved for playing hpala

[grand scaffold]

😂

i didnt even know it was atake

[boreal stone]

doesnt amtter if tis me or not

just 7 straight seasons where ret war is somehw the best warrior comp

[thick reef]

how does warrior feel after the armor nerfs/stre buffs

[boreal stone]

can be a complete chimp and win

it feels the exact same

[grand scaffold]

its called fury!

😂

[thick reef]

word

[boreal stone]

ret apaldin still feels immortal

[thick reef]

lol ret really needed those buffs!

people were saying ''ret is gutted''

[hasty pulsar]

ngl just getting into arms warr solo shuffle and i struggle bad against ele shaman lol

seems like they are really tanky also

[thick reef]

they just got their armor nerfed so

[hasty pulsar]

o ya i saw that

[thick reef]

were tanky b4 shouldn't be as tanky now

[hasty pulsar]

I just really seem to suck against them for some reason

[thick reef]

they do lots of dam without casting

[hasty pulsar]

yeah they move a lot

[thick reef]

cringe ones run 1 shot

[hasty pulsar]

i think i have to do better with spell reflect for them or something

[boreal stone]

need to use reflect to outplay their static

[hasty pulsar]

yes

[boreal stone]

and position urself so they cant knock u to africa

but thats another class that takes ZERO damage

for no reason

[hasty pulsar]

dude i swear

they wont die

lol

[boreal stone]

they dont

they trade wall on avatar

and are immortal the rest of the game

[hasty pulsar]

yeah.. damn

[thick reef]

yeah armor nerf prolly didnt do enough

[hasty pulsar]

feel like they are a strong counter to us or something

i sometimes literally cant catch them

[thick reef]

ele/caster can be a strong counter to alot of war comps but sometimes u can run them over

[hasty pulsar]

and he shooting lava burts at my whole team

[thick reef]

its hard tho

[hasty pulsar]

yeah I am only 1750ish trying to get 1800 and was about to till i met a ele

do you think taking rebound pvp talent ever any good

[grand scaffold]

no

awful talent

[hasty pulsar]

kk

[thick reef]

its dec into evoker

if u can get ET surge

but gotta time it i think

[grand scaffold]

true but its kinad not worth it

with other options

[lavish quest]

Is ret war really best war comp?

Was even before the buffs?

[grand scaffold]

idk

i just like it

tbh

[thick reef]

if u can get it off u can def do some dam

[grand scaffold]

yeah

but battlefield commander

storm of destruction

sharpen

more value imo

[boreal stone]

it is now yeah

ret is back to S+ tier

instantly

armor nerfs are negilible for that class apparently

[lavish quest]

What was it before the patch? Just curious, don't 3s enough

[boreal stone]

Prob TSG

but TSG isnt as good as before now

Cant tell if its rdruid thats broken or ret atm tho

every game is still rdruid

[lavish quest]

I was playing DH/war/hpal cause that's what I found to finally give it a go, but fairly sure she wasn't the meta. Didn't seem bad by any means tho

[mild thunder]

treants untouched = rdruid still broken

[lavish quest]

Yeah my healer just doesn't do rdru unfortunately so it's rough lol

[boreal stone]

anything with Dh is better than average

Whatever blizz is smoking

is the most forbidden leaf of all time

treants dodge nerfs

Demo dodges nerfs

ele dodges nerfs

Boomie dodges nerfs

[lavish quest]

5% heal nerf. Surely it's okay

[boreal stone]

DH dodges nerfs

[lavish quest]

[thick reef]

DEV TOO

[lavish quest]

Boomie might be trainable now. We'll see

[lavish quest]

Also listen... you know what was more pressing than all of those? Cloth armor buffs and plate armor nerfs

[simple rock]

it's fun into destro locks but there's just objectively better talents now

[fallen estuary]

How nasty is ret now btw

[quiet stag]

hello, im about to start arena, but what specailization is the most powerful or easy?

[limber relic]

bruh

200k dmg on fear

and it didnt break

dafuq

i swear blizzard is dumb af

[violet fossil]

i wanna try cacophonous roar with itttt

[boreal stone]

fury is easier, arms is better, both arent really that insane at high rating, but should be free 1800 still

[limber relic]

thats what i did

[violet fossil]

Ah

lol

[quiet stag]

can i get guides or strategies about fury and arms? in 3v3

@boreal stone thank you for reply !! maybe i ll try arms

[boreal stone]

i posted a guide on youtube a while back. if u look up "Atakez 10.2 Arms wariror PvP guide" it should pop up

[quiet stag]

Thank you!

[grand scaffold]

Yeah

If you want an insane class

Should be playing ret outlaw demo or ww

[violet fossil]

anybody use sarena

addon keeps bugging out on me

[simple rock]

are you using the updated version

by sammers

"sarena updated by sammers"

[violet fossil]

lemme scheee

nah by

yagger

do i install both or just sammers

[west topaz]

Thought i saw we'd be getting increased honor and conquest% earned this week? i dont see the buff or anything though

[violet fossil]

when you join a bg or arena you'll see the buff

[simple rock]

just sammers

[violet fossil]

tanks

[simple rock]

you can also move all your settings over if you rename your .wtf files

when you install it

[west topaz]

is it for the rest of season or just this week?

[violet fossil]

rest of the seasson

[keen wraith]

How Good is Arms/dh/Disc currently ? Try to aim for higher raiting 😅

[fallow niche]

Getting back into retail PVP and I have a question:

Does the higher tier verdant conduits provide a higher stat bonus to secondary stats?

[frosty herald]

Not sure but think so

[hot solstice]

2v3

[wheat birch]

hey can someone help me out with stat prio becaus everyone got diffrent it seems like?

[wheat birch]

for arms warrior

[fickle forge]

Versa > Haste >= Mast > Crit

[teal hedge]

Is vers really higher prio than mast?

[thick reef]

Yes lol

[wheat birch]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/thunderfart tell me what gear to buy

[teal hedge]

THUNDERFART

[wheat birch]

yeah i know the name is cringe but pls help

[fickle forge]

Ofc

Plus dmg, durability and healing

It's all you'd ever want

[wheat birch]

ok

[fickle forge]

Your setup is pretty much fine

Just replace the last bits of world PvP gear with conq and you're good

[wheat birch]

roger that! tt

ty

[river walrus]

Try aiming for something around 25-30% vers, rest you dump into mastery and haste but I would suggest at least 25% haste, it feels more smooth

[boreal stone]

No, just has to do with getting higher pve ilvl crafts

[lean burrow]

bros i got rival on hpal

[grand scaffold]

im gonna test smf

will tell you how it goes

[olive hedge]

Can anyone tell me why some ppl take Torc of passed Time instead of the Gladiator neck ? like where's the big difference ?

[grand scaffold]

less vers

more other stats

[boreal stone]

the conquest neck has a fuckload of vers. theres not really a point in going over 30% vers

hence why ppl chose to craft rings and neck to min max their stats

[olive hedge]

Ah i see, ty <3

[grand scaffold]

yo atake

do you get 30% vers before or after pvp scaling

people are telling me before

seems odd but idfk

[boreal stone]

after

[elfin surge]

SUB TO ATAKE (for a better life)

[boreal stone]

I DONT STREAM

[elfin surge]

more than me

[boreal stone]

i stream for 20 minutes every 3 weeks

cmom

[elfin surge]

[grand scaffold]

send link

ill follow you

[urban skiff]

the pvp gear has almost no scaling on vers and scales the secondary stats instead for some reason

[grand scaffold]

idk

im at 30% outside

in i get like 34

which is in line with before 30%

[rare oak]

So how does the armour changes feel?

[urban skiff]

Wouldn't know. I poured an entire cup of soda into my keyboard and using my wife's backup is leaving me feel grossed out

[rare oak]

lol

[urban skiff]

something just off about it

[teal hedge]

NEEEEEEEJ

Which soda?

[urban skiff]

pepsi max i guess

with heavy dose of rum

[teal hedge]

Pepsi max repserent

[urban skiff]

No idea how that happened

[teal hedge]

Hell yeah

Pepsi max truly is the best soda

I got some bacardi but I do not wanna waste it

[boreal stone]

feels about the same tbh

boomkins take more damage

same with ele

theyre still immortal godclasses tho

[urban skiff]

at least they only buffed warlock by 3%

I didn't even check if the changes to armored to the teeth was a buff or nerf

[urban skiff]

for anyone wondering

we got buffed

[teal hedge]

How so?

[urban skiff]

1,5% more strength from armored to the teeth than before hotfix

[teal hedge]

Interesting

[olive hedge]

when is a good time to use Intervene ? I feel like im dying as soon as I use it like 90% of the time

[urban skiff]

When they aren't cleaving the both of you

[violet fossil]

for like cc and stuff

and if you need to run

intervene ya healer

[urban skiff]

full disclosure, for me it's 20 extra strength

so like a third of a socket or smth

[violet fossil]

big damn

[urban skiff]

unfortunately blizzard did the same spread sheet when they chose how much to buff armored to the teeth by

[teal hedge]

WHAT THE FUCK

[urban skiff]

what even is that

[teal hedge]

Fellas I just found a batch of bots

[violet fossil]

bots

[teal hedge]

Iunno I keep getting ganked by this shadow priest

Then these just flew to me instantly

[urban skiff]

I ain't never seen rogue bots

[teal hedge]

You said you did devo pvp?

[urban skiff]

yea

i loathe it

aug just feels funnier

troll people all day in pvp with that

[teal hedge]

Fair enough

Horde players have 0 honour man

I've only ever see horde players camp and gank, absolute nerds

[urban skiff]

If I ever see a group, it's always alliance

[teal hedge]

Gotten ganked by 3 different horde players in 2 quests lmaoi

[urban skiff]

world or randomly?

I don't think i've ever been attacked anywhere but in pvp WQs

[teal hedge]

Randomly whilst leveling my alt

[violet fossil]

whored amirite

[teal hedge]

SO TRUE

[urban skiff]

I love that I can slip on ice while hovering

A+ game, blizzard

[main crag]

so, perfect stats for solo shuffle ?

mastery over haste?

[urban skiff]

what do people on murlok.io do?

[lean burrow]

glad bros, does having alts of the same class actually help?

[urban skiff]

Not a glad, but yes

When playing SS you always play whichever has the lowest rating

[little lava]

same with alliance lol

[urban skiff]

instantly removes pressure to perform

[teal hedge]

𝓸𝓴𝓪𝔂

[violet fossil]

whored cope

[lean burrow]

bruh, but leveling sucks

[boreal stone]

30% vers, 25-30% haste, rest mastery (ARMS WARRIOR STATS, 10.2.5!)

someone pin this^^^^

everyone and their mom asking for stats every 2 hours

LOL

[lean burrow]

wish blizzard removed leveling already

the more I think about it, the more it feels archaic

[boreal stone]

just buy a 1-70 leveling boost

[urban skiff]

@knotty atlas pin this!

[boreal stone]

150k

ez

[lean burrow]

0 reason to force the player to level if he's already leveled 10+ characters

[urban skiff]

just buy a boost or a token

[lean burrow]

is boost 150k on EU?

[knotty atlas]

Can someone confirm that?

[boreal stone]

Thats what every r1 warrior plays atm

[knotty atlas]

That makes me not wanna pin it.

[urban skiff]

I have rocks in my head so my confirmation is meaningless

[boreal stone]

???????

[violet fossil]

yes most warriors are playing that

[teal hedge]

I am broke

[violet fossil]

it’s been said her multiple times

Here*

[boreal stone]

Crit isnt good if ur thinking pve stats @knotty atlas

crit is only 150% in pvp, not 200%

[knotty atlas]

No, i'm not.
I'm thinking about the "R1 warriors are doing it" part.

[boreal stone]

Well im a multi glad warrior

[knotty atlas]

R1 warriors in PvE are also doing some horrible crap.

[boreal stone]

top 20 in 2s

[knotty atlas]

😂

[urban skiff]

maybe they know a secret we don't

[boreal stone]

Magnusz isnt some random warrior doing horrible crap

U pin Galachads misinformation,but wont pin basic stats?

[teal hedge]

Damn what vendetta do you have against Galachode

[boreal stone]

I dont have a vendetta against him

just seems fried

someone who doesnt even play warrior getting info pinned

[knotty atlas]

Look at it from my PoV:
You're some random discord member who i haven't spoken to ever;
You're asking me to pin something without providing any additional information;

I literally have nothing against you or the information.

[violet fossil]

bruh lol

[boreal stone]

lol

[knotty atlas]

I'm just waiting for some validation before i pin.

[urban skiff]

Sounds like we need a stormforged

[boreal stone]

what type of validation would u like?

A link to every warriors armory? that doesnt even show pvp stats?

[knotty atlas]

Literally anything outside of "r1 is doing it".

[boreal stone]

Alright, ill explain the stats to u

30% versatility

because u lose stat values going above that

due to Diminishing returns

U play 25-30% haste for the same reason

30% haste for ppl that want more bleed dmg/execute procs/like it more

and 25% for those that want mastery for bigger hits

U dont play any crit outside of 4 set due to it only being 150% dmg instead of the normal 200% in pve

[urban skiff]

how hard is outlaw

I want to look good in leather with two swords but I can't figure out DH

[olive hedge]

the basics really arent hard

but its not as bursty as Sub or Assa, still a good spec imo

if oyu like longer fights

and you still have all the util you get from being a rogue

[urban skiff]

I like long fights so much I play with only a shield equipped

[olive hedge]

based

its a fast class with lots of util and dice

so if you also like RNG pick it up

[urban skiff]

I like mashing glowy buttons

is why I'm fury

I started out a feral, thought furry was the next step and now i'm lost in plate

[olive hedge]

then deffo play Outlaw

the basic roation is really simple

and you get free cleave

also you rach 1 mil HP faitrly easily

[urban skiff]

huh, why?

[olive hedge]

idk but like half the OUtlaws Ive seen have 1 mil Hp

must be their statweighs on Stam are different idk

[urban skiff]

I had 1.1 before patch on war

[grand scaffold]

play outlaw

its literally fury warrior

but better

in every aspect

faster gameplay

more cc

more defensives

more damage

[rotund trellis]

[urban skiff]

Guess I'll look into it

double crafted rings, do I craft amulet as well for my devo?

[grand scaffold]

thats the case

im rolling mine out

😂

[urban skiff]

Why though? Fury got a huge dmg buff this hotfix

+20 strength

[grand scaffold]

😂

[fallen estuary]

YAAAAY I JUST GOT OFF WORK TO LOSE REPEATEDLY YAAAAY

[grand scaffold]

ngl im just selling carries for gold atm

no point in shuffle currently

atleast on warrior

[fallen estuary]

Im not a bitch i earn it myself

Now heroic fyrrak yea thats gold

[grand scaffold]

just got 100k for getting a dude 70 points to 21000

feels nice

[fallen estuary]

Tfw 20$ get me dat

[grand scaffold]

what is even tfw

[fallen estuary]

That feelin when

[urban skiff]

i sold a few materials

[grand scaffold]

nice

[fallen estuary]

Tfw i got a hour ride home to shit a snake and recoil in pain for a hour

[urban skiff]

it's what old people who spent time on the internet as kids say when they mean "POV"

[grand scaffold]

😂

[urban skiff]

idk tiktok but they put POV in front of everything

[grand scaffold]

bro

its so annoying

legit

at this rate just dont caption shit

let the video play

[fallen estuary]

They needs them attention tho

Gotta teach the redacted howto read while showing them visual slop

Also tik tok disgustin fr