pvp

[urban skiff]

have you tried blitz yet?

[fair cove]

I have not, but I plan to.

I dislike arena format, but when blitz goes rated, I plan to solely play that.

[urban skiff]

Then they're all viable, but if your plan was pure bg then I'd say ret

[fair cove]

Word

Ret just seems so simplistic

Like I've got a somewhat decently geared Ret I've been playing, and it's not like its bad, but its boring

[urban skiff]

Ret is only simplistic because you're looking at damage rotation and not all the other tools you have to change the outcome of a fight

[fair cove]

Eh, nah, I've had that Ret since TBC

I get the support part

but it doesn't really add enjoyment for me

the dmg rotation is important to me too

[urban skiff]

then warrior is your only choice

Ofc ret is getting a massive buff in half a week

[fair cove]

Yeah that's kinda how it feels

[urban skiff]

warrior getting most nerfed out of all classes next reset

[fair cove]

but I do have decent gear on the ret. I'll for sure give the buffs a try out of sheer curiosity

I've spent most of my career playing Mage/Rogue/Lock

Just looking to mix things up

kinda bored of casters

and I like the plate/2h aesthetic

[grand scaffold]

arms is not a dueling spec

fury on the other hand

is

i dont lose vs dks or rets

send dhs back to the twisting nether

same with monks

[fair cove]

Well that's good too. Cause the other plus for me with Warrior is that Fury is there as an offspec option. I don't like Holy Paladin.

[grand scaffold]

yah

[fair cove]

So with Pally I'd have 1 spec

[urban skiff]

fury is the superior spec if you like fun. Arms is superior if you like winning most

[fair cove]

and with DK, well 1 spec

[grand scaffold]

not necessarily

frost walkign dead

or frost devoker

is strong

[fair cove]

True, #1 RSS DK is Frost atm

(Xeek)

Anyways I'm getting ready to log for the day but one quick question while I'm here

Is Fury like vastly superior to Arms for leveling fast?

or does it not really matter?

[grand scaffold]

i have absolutely 0 idea

[fair cove]

I'm about to hit lvl 10, then I'm logging

[grand scaffold]

but i dont like leveling as arms

0 self heals

make it really unfun

[urban skiff]

Protip, if you roll the superior warrior race, you'll start at level 10

KT human

[fair cove]

I'm regular Human :3

[urban skiff]

yuck

don't you want to look like you lift?

[fair cove]

The only 2 races I could ever bring myself to play are Human and Undead

I'm a Mage main, remember. I'm a nerd. Not a lifter =P

[grand scaffold]

🤮

[fair cove]

and the irony of having to deal with Frost Mages at 70 isn't lost on me haha

[grand scaffold]

the only tolerable allied race for warrior

is dark iron dwarf

[fair cove]

Their heritage armor is legit though

[urban skiff]

kt human knockback is the best

[fair cove]

Anyways, I'm logging for the day. Thanks for the conversations and answers to my noob Warrior questions, guys.

Have a good one :D

[grand scaffold]

hell no

warriors #1 problem is getting kited

[urban skiff]

It's not about fixing a problem

[grand scaffold]

and you are helping someone kite you

😂

[urban skiff]

it's about peacocking

send a signal you're so good you can handle a disadvantage and still dominate them

[grand scaffold]

what is even that

[grand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/human-error-champion-goonies-gif-25513246

[urban skiff]

I'd rather do wrong shit and be mid than do everything right and be mid.

[grand scaffold]

if you do everything right you cant be mid

[urban skiff]

You underestimate how bad i am

I only just now hit 1800

[grand scaffold]

thats not terrible

[grand scaffold]

you play annihilator right?

[urban skiff]

yea this

[grand scaffold]

swap to rb

youll gain 300 cr

[lavish quest]

We're all terrible now lads. It's time to be a caster

[grand scaffold]

i was 2200 yesterday with annihilator

[urban skiff]

yea I know rb is better

[grand scaffold]

went rb

im 2460 now

[urban skiff]

i just really don't like it

it's a curse or something

[grand scaffold]

i have a semi geared demo lock

2100 on it

chilling

[grand scaffold]

why

its fast paced af

[urban skiff]

I guess it's animations and sounds mostly

[grand scaffold]

bruh

[lavish quest]

Gonna have to gear my lock or something now.

[urban skiff]

I also just like the flow of bt -> filler -> bt -> rampage -> bb -> filler -> bt -> rampage

it feels very natural

[grand scaffold]

dont really have to press bt with rb build

[grand scaffold]

ngl

i despise annihilator rotation

feels too slow

[urban skiff]

how does it feel slower than rb?

[grand scaffold]

because

bt goes on cd without bloodbath

slam has 6 sec cd

whirlwind has 5 sec cd

you press all 3

and still dont have enough rage to press rampage

and ba,

bam

slow

and i have 32% haste

so

[urban skiff]

I don't think that's ever happened to me

maybe it's because I hamstring when i shouldn't idk

[grand scaffold]

all i know is rb is a smoother rotation

almost always have something to press

[urban skiff]

Can you link it? I guess I'll give it another try later

already hit my season goal since i'm definitely not 2100 material

[grand scaffold]

youll get 2100

if you quit annihilator

bum ass build im telling you

[urban skiff]

I have to play way smarter for that

why does skirmish have to be so painful for aug

[grand scaffold]

let aug rot and burn for the rest of time

fuck that spec

made fury unplayable

[urban skiff]

I'm going to play dev but farming up conq to make the swap

might as well play aug that I know

I'm just trying to get my daily wins

[grand scaffold]

my dmg with this build

[urban skiff]

how do you handle bursts?

like what order do stuff?

[grand scaffold]

wdym

like how do i avoid dmg or do dmg

[urban skiff]

with annie i OF first, then pop big cds after

do dam

[grand scaffold]

no

you dont do that

first

rampage once

then

recklessness

then

avatar

then rampage

then thunderous roar

then probably onslaught

and rampage

then you just use bloodbaths and raging blows to get to rampage spam

and once the bloodbath procs are gone

you do odyns fury again

that way you dont get ccd and spend 0 procs

[urban skiff]

how does that prevent ccs?

[grand scaffold]

it doesnt

but

if you get ccd with 6 procs

and you have 5 sec to spend them

theyve gone to shit

so you gotta spend the 3 before odyns furying again

[urban skiff]

huh

If you use OF first, you can get a 2nd OF off really fast after using cds

at least with annie build

[grand scaffold]

not worth it

just trust me

you wanna do it like that

[urban skiff]

should i be going for BBs while I have charges up from OF?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

you press the procs over raging blow

but do not use the procs

while its bloodthirst

its a waste

[urban skiff]

how do we squeeze in the intim shout extra talent in this come reset?

[grand scaffold]

remove bitter immunity

[urban skiff]

I'm calling it now, it'll take less than a week before people realize how strong that gets

[grand scaffold]

its good rn

people play it

[urban skiff]

huh

[grand scaffold]

thats arms but yeah people play it

[urban skiff]

been playing for an hour now and lost everything on my aug

might as well give RB a whirl

[grand scaffold]

thats aug for you

[grand scaffold]

go for it

[urban skiff]

nah that's random bgs and skirmish

aug only as good as partners

[grand scaffold]

play some 2s before you play shuffle and risk your cr

[urban skiff]

I just want to play devo

[grand scaffold]

get used to it slightly

[urban skiff]

Name my loadout

no limits

[grand scaffold]

hmm

i dare you name it fat load

😂

😂

[grand scaffold]

😂

gotta be the funniest shit ive read today

[urban skiff]

I went with caco roar just because I think it's valuable in low rated stuff

[grand scaffold]

not a bad idea

[urban skiff]

Now problem is how to fit OF and onslaughts on bars at the same time

[grand scaffold]

remove slam

remove whirlwind

[urban skiff]

I already have a shared slam/RB button

so that's not it

made this for OF and onslaught but now it's just

[grand scaffold]

i mean remove whirlwind from bars

combine charge intevene and hamstring into 1 macro

[urban skiff]

can't, my charge and intervene are shared macros already

[grand scaffold]

put hamstring into it

#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast Hamstring

[urban skiff]

there's no rooom

[grand scaffold]

what the hell is that

[urban skiff]

it's a macro that charges if I want to and intervenes if i want to

surprisingly intuitive for me

[grand scaffold]

interesting

then idfk

[urban skiff]

right now I just put OF on shiftmod onslaught

[grand scaffold]

idk about that

onslaught get used on cd practically

[urban skiff]

so just to get this straight: I'll only consume RA on BBs when I have set stacks? Or always?

[grand scaffold]

what

[urban skiff]

reckless abandon

[grand scaffold]

you only press bloodbath when odyns fury procs it

[urban skiff]

yea

[grand scaffold]

you dont press it otherwise

crushing blow does more dmg without odyns fury modifier

if you drop hack and slash for bloodcraze then maybe you can

just bc of gushing wound

[urban skiff]

first skirmish, nervous as heck

[grand scaffold]

just send it youll be fine

[urban skiff]

massive failure

rogue warlock so

[grand scaffold]

all g

prob just play some 2s or 3s till you get used to it

maybe some bgs

skirmishes are unreliable imo

[urban skiff]

yea I always start out skirms and then go ruin my 2s and 3s rating

when it's back to normal levels i can pick where I left off

bruh, new skirmish same team

[grand scaffold]

lol

[urban skiff]

i didn't even get to build first rampage last time

[grand scaffold]

lol

[urban skiff]

got them down to 10% solo

[grand scaffold]

[grand scaffold]

[urban skiff]

skirm was a nightmare

gonna try 3s

[grand scaffold]

good idea

[urban skiff]

the fuck is this

[grand scaffold]

quit annihilator

[lavish quest]

[urban skiff]

is rb just infinitely squishier or am i just playing more aggressively because brain off?

well

lost first, won 3

still no clue what I'm doing but rating go up

[grand scaffold]

rb isnt really squishier

because you have battle trance healing

and if you feel squishy can always drop speed for leech

and you can still spam bt during er

so its whatever

[urban skiff]

how do you play without bloodrage?

[grand scaffold]

gnome

and you dont need the shout talent as fury tbh

i rarely use it

[urban skiff]

it's +5% damage for you and partner

how isn't that amazing?

aoe root break as well

[grand scaffold]

its eh

its good but like

battle trance is too good

and into most casters

blood rage helps too much

and unless you have a bm hunter

demo lock

surv hunter

rogue

or arms warr on your team

you cant drop slaughterhouse

at all

[urban skiff]

Eh

5 games isn't enough but I'm not loving it rn

[grand scaffold]

why

you won a majority of them

[urban skiff]

Idk

feels like the games I lost, i could have won as annie

[grand scaffold]

then try it

[urban skiff]

just from pumping out aoe BBs really early with no setup

[grand scaffold]

but im telling you your dmg will be way lower

[urban skiff]

but the games I won, I feel like i won because of RB dam

[grand scaffold]

not even that

its the boost to rampage

its massive

[urban skiff]

I'm not saying I can't adjust, I played RB last season

[merry valley]

u can also setup mini bursts

[urban skiff]

With what?

[merry valley]

onslaught + rb x2 into odyns fury rampage bloodbath

its a rampage doing 2x as much dmg

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[urban skiff]

huh

[grand scaffold]

lol

[urban skiff]

I had no idea

[grand scaffold]

this is the reason annihilator sucks

[merry valley]

annihilator u cant even always get 5 stacks

[grand scaffold]

forget that it doesnt happen

and a 4% dmg boost

is negligable

[merry valley]

usualy like 3 stacks wich is 6% dmg vs at least always 40%

[grand scaffold]

yeah

exactly

[urban skiff]

I don't think annie cares much for rampage damage?

[merry valley]

thats the problem

rampage is big

[grand scaffold]

thats why it sucks

[merry valley]

go pvp dummy do 2 rb and a onslaught and before pressing rampage check the tooltip dmg

[grand scaffold]

its about 200k

[merry valley]

yh close,. all none crit

[grand scaffold]

if they all crit then its like 300k

[merry valley]

even onslaught by itself is big

[grand scaffold]

eh

[merry valley]

chuck dmg that blows annihilator dmg

[grand scaffold]

100k avg

[merry valley]

• its on demand u dont even need the uptime for aa dmg

[urban skiff]

so ONS RBRB OF RAMP BB

[grand scaffold]

during cds my tooltip shows 275k

[grand scaffold]

you dont need to ramp

its just a thing you can do

you lose dmg if you ramp every time

303k with trinket proc and sophic proc and cds

[merry valley]

its a miniburst not worth wasting globalss to setup

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its just a thing that exists

[merry valley]

its just if u see a guy 40% hp maybe worth do it

cause vicious contemp will chunk aswell

[grand scaffold]

i guess

but they get healed back up

before you can do a 5 second ramp

[urban skiff]

ah

[merry valley]

its like

if u have all up

just use that order

and or good

ur good*

else just zug szug rotation

[dense herald]

can anyone link me a good arms build

[grand scaffold]

i swear somebody needs to pin my build

BcEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7DgWikEJkkoUKJBAAAAEEJCkEUERDiQSoIRQIApkAAAAAAAAQiWiIgQ0QA

somebody please pin this

ffs

[grand scaffold]

@here

[teal hedge]

An reason as to not have lethality?

[grand scaffold]

whats that

[teal hedge]

Lethal mark thingy

[grand scaffold]

oh

[teal hedge]

Bottom left in arms tree

[grand scaffold]

bc its meh

and paladins are so popular atm

and bop removes it

so does immune bubble

and ice block

its really just not as important as improved execute

[urban skiff]

don't forget the name

[grand scaffold]

wdym

[urban skiff]

,

[grand scaffold]

😂

[urban skiff]

tbh just name your loadout that and get it in the screenshot, then we call for pin

[boreal stone]

Auto attack speed and fear talent aren’t very good

[urban skiff]

fear talent will be in a few days

[boreal stone]

Not really

Fear doesn’t really break

And if ur fearing with full dots rolling

You’re trolling

[urban skiff]

Dude

it's for doing full damage into the fear without them being able to respond

wednesday + talent is 400% more damage before it breaks

[grand scaffold]

The fear talent is literally good

[boreal stone]

It’s not

[grand scaffold]

Yes it is

Are you trolling?

[boreal stone]

I’m dead serious

Haven’t played it ever

Never felt the need to play it either

[grand scaffold]

Try it

It's good

[boreal stone]

I’m good on that lol

[grand scaffold]

In shuffle people play dumb

And it prevents stupidity

For a bit

[boreal stone]

Your fear

[grand scaffold]

Same goes in no voice 3s

Or rbgs

[boreal stone]

Is breaking

To direct damage

[grand scaffold]

Slowet

[boreal stone]

My bro

[grand scaffold]

Slower

[boreal stone]

All my 3s have been no voice this season, 2.6k peak mmr

Haven’t had any issues with fears breaking

[grand scaffold]

It still breaks if you play with another DPS who swaps like a tard

[boreal stone]

Yeah but if the yard dps

[grand scaffold]

You were in voice right?

[boreal stone]

Swaps

It’s breaking anyways

I wasn’t

lol

[grand scaffold]

?

At 2600 no voice

Impressive

Ngl

I'm going 2300 no voice atm

[boreal stone]

The art of ret war

lol

[grand scaffold]

Yah

[boreal stone]

My alt is 2.3 as wmpres

[grand scaffold]

Last time I played 3s was when I faced you

Lol

[boreal stone]

Pretty fun comp

The do I was playing with

[urban skiff]

you must be pumped for next reset

[boreal stone]

Literally got his first ever glad win

Dk^

[grand scaffold]

Nice

My team had to sleep before we got 2400

[boreal stone]

Midday ques are so fried

[grand scaffold]

Legit

Nobody on

[boreal stone]

You’re just 2.5 mmr sit 8 minute ques

To lose to some ele boomy or demo boomy team

For a fat -15

[grand scaffold]

Yeah

I don't find ele demo that bad

Ele boomy tho

Terrible

[boreal stone]

Then u face a 2.2 team, win, and get +7

[grand scaffold]

So hard to beat

Yeah lol

[boreal stone]

It’s free glad wins still, I’m not complaining

[grand scaffold]

Yeah

[boreal stone]

Demo boomy

Is so fucking disgusting

[grand scaffold]

Can't wait to get 2.4 this season

Just wish people played

[boreal stone]

People are playing

[grand scaffold]

Boomy comps in generao

[boreal stone]

I’ve had ppl ask me to play pretty much every night, which is new to me

[grand scaffold]

Nice

People on my friends list are off agm

[boreal stone]

Normally I’m the one on hands and knees throwing it back for a 15th alt

lol

[grand scaffold]

Same as yesterday

[boreal stone]

Warrior mage feels really good

Even with a Pres healing it

[grand scaffold]

War mage is prob top comp atm

[boreal stone]

Gonna have to try WLX next week with my boy

[grand scaffold]

Wish I could find a mage

[boreal stone]

No one plays warrior mage tho

It’s weird

[grand scaffold]

Yeah

[urban skiff]

i did today

[grand scaffold]

Bizarre

[urban skiff]

I felt like i had to babysit the mage the entire time

[boreal stone]

We went 10-3 first que sesh as wmd a couple nights ago

[urban skiff]

Didn't help I was playing with Ndogo's fat load at the time

[boreal stone]

My alt will be in glad range as well soon, and that’s the war I’ve been pveing on as wel

[grand scaffold]

Lol

Sounds Hella sus

[boreal stone]

So I hopefully get axe on that toon

Axe that’s are like crit haste right?

Stats^

[grand scaffold]

Yeah

[boreal stone]

I fucking hate autocorrect

[boreal stone]

Into what comps?

Mages can kite all melee pretty well aside from like DH

[grand scaffold]

Yeah lol

[boreal stone]

We basically only fought melee cleaves last night, two games into a demo boomy, some other caster melee as well

Safeguard and hurricane with blade storm slow goes craaaazy into the melee cleaves

[urban skiff]

war dk, dk lock, dh dh, lots of hunters

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905959827891712050/1198632092351868948/image.png?ex=65bf9c20&is=65ad2720&hm=feb8f5ff957f51812153aacfabc2ff9712c1838c17231d014150b9a7b831f8f3&

[boreal stone]

The jungle we faced was really difficult

Sounds like unlucky ques tbh

LAVA BEAM LOL

That’s like pressing chain lighting but during an ascendance proc

🤣

[fickle forge]

Considering it did like 330k or w/e

I meeeaaaan

[boreal stone]

Looks like on use ascendance with prim wave and high mastery

Ran out of lava bursts to cast to he pressed lava beam instead

Insteresting

[fickle forge]

Ye it did a third of his health in an instant

[fallen estuary]

And just to think casters need more armor

[urban skiff]

what is the most cancerous annoying comp to face in arenas?

I don't mean like sub rogues that 1-shot people but like, when people bring tanks or augs or frostmages or stuff

rdru bdk fmage is supposedly a thing, but anything worse?

[wheat jay]

oh hey thats me xD

[fallen estuary]

frost mage destro

[boreal stone]

Demo boomy Hpal

And it’s not close

[urban skiff]

fmage destro makes me want to quit

then i remember i can play aug and annoy people and it's bearable

[bright cloak]

Maybe prebuffed with Stormkeeper? That many overloads makes me think that it has to be a setup.

[urban skiff]

took me this long to realize the AM buff isn't a pvp patch note. It's just in the wrong place

[grand scaffold]

it is in pvp

not pve

im interested to see if people will start using it

it could theoretically be really good

3 rampages

-16 sec on cd

so if you cast like 10

which is really ez to do

thats around a 49 sec reduction

which also means our cd on recklessness will be about 30 sec

in theory

[urban skiff]

Raise recklessness duration to inrease uptime and reduce dooldown

[grand scaffold]

😂

just play depths of insanity

[urban skiff]

yea that's what i meant

it may be viable but I'd feel bad playing it

[grand scaffold]

idt its worth playing

4 sec its 1 recklessness proc

but in theory the damage could be nuts

80% uptime or some bs

just bc

12 sec reck

30 sec cd

rampage os procs

[fickle forge]

No shot are you getting that off vs a caster

[grand scaffold]

on a lock you prob can

or sp

or hunter

[boreal stone]

It sucks they’re making this meaningless buff knowing that odyns fury is meta, and it procs off avatar, not recklessness

[urban skiff]

yea it's super weird

I guess this patch is prep work for s4 though

Like the armor thing is more likely to be accepted right now than right before or right after S4 begins

Probably slipped a few extra S4 changes in with the armor thing

[merry valley]

They forgot to add bladestorm as a pvp talent

[pseudo jungle]

how much haste are we pushing for these days

[boreal stone]

25-30%

[pseudo jungle]

damn... seems low lol

[boreal stone]

???

we used to play like 15-20% lol

[pseudo jungle]

in season 2?

[boreal stone]

yeah

some ppl played up to 25%

[thick reef]

does it matter if i use two non pvp set items to get 4p or is it not worth it?

[lavish quest]

Probably fine. Depends on the ilvl of the peices too

I was using heroic tier for like first 2 months

[boreal stone]

Im using a mythic track chest on one of my warriors

289 pvp and pve ilvl

489^

[thick reef]

i also have one mythic track and the other one is hero

[boreal stone]

use mythic track only when possible

there should be enough conq

to get conquest 4 set

[glass orchid]

so i saw that

armor change means we lose 400ish strength

which is like 3% damage?

[thick reef]

i have all conq pieces just need the catalyst or luck in the vault

[boreal stone]

theres already 6 charges of catalyst

or did u convert pve pieces

and run out of charges for pvp pieces?

[boreal stone]

yup

love how warrior jsut gets cucked for no reason every set of class wide patch notes

really awesome

[thick reef]

i already used 2 of them

so i have zero charges left

[lavish quest]

Same, I still use 489 pve legs

[lavish quest]

Can't expect a whole lot when they want clothies tankier for no good reason but plate to take more dick.
Armor type already meant not much, and now just making it worse

[boreal stone]

armor only means something to pure phys dmg classes

the only phys dmg class that also is plate

is warrior

[teal hedge]

Doesn't sound too unpleasant

[lavish quest]

Well yes I knew that. But now it means that even less so because they're just getting ever closer to normalizing armor so it won't matter

Ranged players suck and so they need more and more coddling.
#changemymind

[teal hedge]

I mean, melee has been the meta this season thus far

I suppose this will account for the lower amount of casters, as an attempt from blizzard to balance the popularities out

[boreal stone]

idkwhat game ur playing

but im living in hogwarts

[teal hedge]

Mind you, this is from a healers perspective

But I generally have seen the melee classes perform better in terms if damage

[boreal stone]

caster players suck

this is known

[teal hedge]

With the only casters that pop off being demo / destro

But even so, when played properly any melee should be able to do something

You have fears and reflects tyrants respective chaos bolts

The movement and survivability are annoying, yes, but melee players have it good

[violet fossil]

in ss it’s melee

in 3s it’s caster meta

[teal hedge]

Makes sense

[violet fossil]

you can’t say foochie

[waxen ginkgo]

wtf is this 30%nerf to are armor for pvp

cloth and mail are gonna have close to us

[mild thunder]

armor shouldn’t exist

should just be equalised for pvp

[waxen ginkgo]

naw if your wearing cloth you should not have any where close to someone who is wearing a plate

[mild thunder]

tankiness should come from talents and abilities

[waxen ginkgo]

or you my as well go back to vanilla wwhere plate class would roll on mail or cloth for stats

[mild thunder]

armor is an outdated stat that barely works in the current game

[teal sphinx]

Does vanilla pvp go in here or just retail

[boreal stone]

retail only

as far as i know

[teal sphinx]

👍

[mild thunder]

vanilla pvp

[glass orchid]

the real nerf is the str nerf

from losing the armor

not only are we squisher vs physical

we also do less damage

[honest sundial]

lmao

[merry valley]

how miserable is Fury set bonus

59 casts over 6 rounds, 12 crits

[random fractal]

idk i like the odyns fury part with the 50% damage increase

fucking around with death wish and a burst build in rbgs is fun

[merry valley]

id much rather it give 25% odyn's fury damage, but have 100% crit chance on bloodthirst

[viscid bluff]

yo

How do people have multiple macros and keybinds for different things like focus or arena or party

pvp sucks

I'm not a pvper, it just makes me shudder to think about all this

no wonder no plays pvp

lol

Barely have keybinds for my own spells

[magic wing]

Pvp sucks true

[digital crater]

Can I turn any old shit into tier and still have it upgradable? Coming back from 10.1 and I'm fucking looost on gearing

[magic wing]

If you compare wow to any other true pvp game its a joke

[fickle forge]

40 binds is doable on most specs

[fickle forge]

It's almost like WoW is a PvE game

[magic wing]

Truly is

[mild thunder]

and yet here we are still playing it

must be a pretty good joke

[viscid bluff]

no shot

[mild thunder]

the only dps specs that will actually require more than 40 binds are sv and feral

and probably rogue

[raw summit]

Mmo mouse and mods can cover most of that

[raw summit]

If you insist to Arena 123 blind/couge/cheap/kidney/disarm etc prolly

[mild thunder]

only reason rogue is worth mentioning is because 123 binds are way more useful on rogue than other melee

you dont need that shit as warr, ret, ww, dk etc.

[raw summit]

Tab pressers

Till you have a demo..

[mild thunder]

RETab addon

i just use FrameSort dynamicmacros addon and use #enemyhealer and #focus because i cba with 123 macros

[fickle forge]

Enh too

I do have some extra binds though

Like /cancelaura for BoP, freedom and sweeping

Or targeting pets

[raw summit]

Cancel sweeping to not break cc ig?

[fickle forge]

Ye

Was used a lot with KFC and WMX

[mild thunder]

i havent played enh in a hot minute, but you're probs right

[bronze crystal]

Is it smart to have an alt warrior to practice on so you don’t mess your rating up?

[fickle forge]

I wouldn't worry about that till you start seeing some higher rating

Just practice on main warrior

[bronze crystal]

What other alts do you guys play I’ve got a monk and a hunter atm

Was thinking of making a shaman

[mild thunder]

if you play arms, you'll enjoy ww

probably

lotta arms also enjoy enh

[wet dove]

yo im not just new to warrior but wow in general I only say that to not annoy you guys with stupid questions, but I always run out of rage Im just standing there sometimes waiting for something to become available to hit, is that normal or am I doing something wrong with my rotation?

[lavish quest]

Shouldn't really run out of rage often. Maybe you're using ignore pain all the time when unnecessary? Hard to say without seeing what you're doing.

If you're in melee getting hits, you should have the rage you need with minor exceptions

[fickle forge]

Arms has infinite rage rn, shouldn't ever run dry

You wouldn't happen to have a macro like this right

/cast Mortal Strike
/cast Ignore Pain

[merry valley]

You can play without a single macro and do just as well as anyone else. Macro are just to make your life easier. I only use burst macro, stance change macro, mouse over interveen macro and focus stormbolt

[fickle forge]

Bro claiming macros aren't necessary, then names the 4 different macros he's using

I'd say arena123 kick is necessary

[merry valley]

since i saw an arms warrior clicker push 2100 ill belive anything

[fickle forge]

Cause arms is fundamentally easy at the skill floor

Same with something like BM hunter

I wouldn't use 2100 as the mark for what's good and bad though

[merry valley]

as a clicker? 0 keybinds and even backpadling

[fickle forge]

Don't need high APM to spin 🤷‍♂️

[merry valley]

ofc this is an extreme case, and i said he can play without macros because he actually can. Just named mine which arent a lot

i think he assumes that he needs 10-15 + macros

[fickle forge]

It's bad advice though, macros are for sure necessary if you wanna peak your rating

If you're simply casual and having fun, then nothing is necessary

[wheat jay]

no its not

you can get glad without it

[fickle forge]

Did you get glad without macros?

[wheat jay]

without 123 macro

overall macros

i had like 20

[fickle forge]

My guy

Your bar is filled with macros

[wheat jay]

54 binds was the final product

[merry valley]

[wheat jay]

what

[fickle forge]

"Yeah macros aren't necessary guys 🤓"

[wheat jay]

i didnt play warrior or dh

i needed MORE macros

54 binds without 123 macros

😄

[fickle forge]

Bro trynna justify glad is achievable without macros, but has a container ship full of em' on his bars

[wheat jay]

no no

not without macros

without 123 macros

[wet dove]

I do not, I must be mashing too much or something

[fickle forge]

You're def doing something wrong with your rotation

[fickle forge]

You use it though?

[wheat jay]

no?

why would I

i am a mouseover type of person

everything is on mouseover

[fickle forge]

Why do we play lmfao

[merry valley]

i used to have spear on mouseover, until i threw it obove the map somehow

[fickle forge]

Become my new surv hunter for KFC @mild thunder

[wheat jay]

cuz i am a mechanically good player

i do my shit well

[fickle forge]

How often is James scolding you cause you're late with sac lmao

It's almost like party12 is way faster than using mouseover

[wheat jay]

how often does james check if pet is in cc

or in line

never

[fickle forge]

But my guy it's cause you gotta start playing FPS for a second there and aim your shit on me

Gotta snipe me with that sac instead of getting the game to target for you

[wheat jay]

yep

[fickle forge]

I could make ChatGPT sac me better than your mouseover shit

[wheat jay]

dont have binds for that shit 👍

https://tenor.com/view/take-it-or-leave-it-deal-or-no-deal-final-offer-you-decide-yes-or-no-gif-16058432

[fickle forge]

Leaving it

👋 😎

[wheat jay]

cya

was a good run

now i can do real content again

m+ and raiding

[fickle forge]

Maybe you should do some actual content and take your MA seriously smh

[wheat jay]

ma?

[fickle forge]

Martial art

[wheat jay]

ye i should

[lavish quest]

Is it fotm tho?

[wheat jay]

martial arts are always fotm

[teal hedge]

I just wing it via using mousewheel targetting

[mild thunder]

come to NA and i will

[mild thunder]

bis macro tbh

bajheera changed my life when he gave me this macro

[lavish quest]

It's then by definition not fotm

[teal hedge]

Oh shit which martial art we talking?

[wheat jay]

i used to train sanda

[teal hedge]

I did judo when I was younger

Never heard of it

[wheat jay]

kickboxing+throws basically

[teal hedge]

Looks epic

[magic wing]

Charge/ham macro is great

[teal hedge]

I'd wanna get into sumo sometime, but once more my health fails me

[elfin surge]

more warrior nerfs lol nice

C tier melee nerfed yet again

[lavish quest]

Business as usual

Look at the bright side, we're going to get penetrated a bit deeper now

[elfin surge]

i now have a valid excuse for not playing wow

thanks blizzard

[lavish quest]

Like you really needed that

[elfin surge]

i can put up with really bad systems

bad class design

or an under preforming spec

but i cant do all 3 man

[lavish quest]

So just play demo lock and become god

But yeah, it's low-key depressing. Because... what a weird change. Like why?

[elfin surge]

am i the only one who hates the thunderclap pve build and bursting with double bladestorm?

[lavish quest]

I mean... I don't really mind it I guess. It's not that different than last season I feel. So not too much has changed 🤷

But you know shit's fucked when even the pve bois say that arms (well warrior as a class is what they said) needs a rework before next expac drops bad

We're warriors, this is what we signed up for

[elfin surge]

melee affliction warrior build is not warriro

i want controlled burst damage, big mortal strikes and fat executes

[lavish quest]

Some here prefer the term "new feral druids," how insensitive and non-inclusive of you sir

I would love that too especially so a mage can die during the 3% of the match I can touch him

But warriors killing things is scary and cannot be allowed. Not in the design document.

You will be happy with details looking good because you spun on the burning legion AI 69 times

[magic wing]

Current warrior is non bursty spinny boy

Who does dmg all the time so its low as shit

[river walrus]

What nerfs??

[open ridge]

is 1 min cc removal passive trinket good on human?

[violet fossil]

the plate nerf

nerfs the one talent

you get ate from armor

STR*

[river walrus]

Ohhhhhh

I see

Still not too bad, means dks and pallies will be easier to kill

[violet fossil]

yeah

as a fellow dk

im scared of ret

Lol

[buoyant chasm]

Hey guys, is fury actually good in PvP/bg/Arena/1v1? Im back after 2y break

[violet fossil]

anything other than arena me thinks

[teal hedge]

It's alright, it just got nerfed though.

[buoyant chasm]

😭😭😭😭 Why always armsssss

[lavish quest]

Also will he easier for them to kill you. Along with monks, rogues, hunters, etc. And casters harder to kill.

It's def a nerf.

[teal hedge]

It's for the better

[lavish quest]

It's not but sure

[teal hedge]

Though I think they need to adjust DH a bit for the changes to make sense

[teal hedge]

Dude SS has been a buffét for the melee players

[lavish quest]

Because ranged are dumb.

[violet fossil]

Go do 3s 😠

[grand scaffold]

bro ret and demo gonna be so BUSTED

[teal hedge]

Impressive

[teal hedge]

I cannot find 2 other people 😭

[lavish quest]

They rely on the fact that blizz hands them everything to survive. So they are worse. So then they need more handed to them to compensate

If a mage dies to a warrior, it's either because they let it happen, or they borderline afk.

Change my mind

[teal hedge]

So be it? Mages get countered by warlocks, hunters and druids?

Rock paper scissors

[digital crater]

How do I best go about even getting PvP 4pc?

Returning player and I am lost as fuck

Do I just wait to get lucky on vault or what?

[violet fossil]

arenas

daily bg

weekly

tomorrow restet we get spoils buff

[lavish quest]

Earn conquest. Buy gear. Convert with catalyst.

[lavish quest]

Not talking hard 1v1s here

[violet fossil]

Mages can get countered by everyone for all I care 😠

MAGES FORCE YOU TO GO GNOME

ganome

gnomer

[magic wing]

No1 forced you to play that shit lol

[teal hedge]

Gnomes are cool

Why not play as a little guy

[violet fossil]

ya momma

actually it’s most popular race

[fickle forge]

Mud needs his Conq Banner to be good smh smh

[magic wing]

Orc is

[latent current]

They should buff spear build somehow

[teal hedge]

On the invalid faction

[violet fossil]

for

[waxen ginkgo]

Spear is just trash to many class have something to use to get out of it

[grand scaffold]

just make it unescapable

aka

remove the bugs

[brazen citrus]

the only bug for spear im aware of is porting/blinking/stepping the instant it pulls u in

ya fix that shit

[open ridge]

is 1 min cc removal passive trinket good on human?'

[lavish quest]

They could also stop half the abilities in the game getting you out of it

[brazen citrus]

i wouldnt reccomend it

[brazen citrus]

what shouldnt get u out of spear

[lavish quest]

Death's advance, feign, fade, prob dragon breath and meta, stuff like that

The one way out should be death

[boreal stone]

its 1.5 and only works on stuns

on of my wars is human and i like it cuz it looks nice

[brazen citrus]

deaths advances tooltip says it gives immunity to knocks yeah?

[boreal stone]

plus i can always trade human/trinket parry against sub rogues

[lavish quest]

He's talking about adaptation

[boreal stone]

yuh

[boreal stone]

oh

just woke up, im fried as fuck

but no, adaptation sucks dick lol

[lavish quest]

And also human is 3min. Only 1.5 if you using a trinket too

[boreal stone]

thats what i meant^

[lavish quest]

I don't think bladestorm gets you out. But that also gets knock immunity

Like shit makes no sense, also shouldn't get you out of stuff. So fix it, or remove that stuff from those classes. Seems pretty simple

[brazen citrus]

DA makes u immune to vortex and grip so why wouldnt it work on spear

[boreal stone]

u can DA out of spear

[brazen citrus]

ya it says forced movement affects

[boreal stone]

im pretty sure

[brazen citrus]

yeah u can

[hot solstice]

Spear is dead, let it be

[brazen citrus]

spear is fun tho

love spear

[honest sundial]

tomorow roots buffed by 100%

[boreal stone]

Mage players

smh

[honest sundial]

good like moving your character against frost mages

[boreal stone]

frost mage stocks goin up

[brazen citrus]

tommorow gnome stocks shooting into the stratosphere

[honest sundial]

POG GNOME

[hot solstice]

Time to roll dh

[brazen citrus]

but if ur not orc ur not a real warrior

so unforch

[honest sundial]

real warriors play gnome

[hot solstice]

Fem gnome

[honest sundial]

before it was trendy

[brazen citrus]

mortal strike should purge on crits

[open ridge]

could you explain further? i am new to pvp. isnt 1 min CC removal better than 2min CD removal offer from medallion.

[hot solstice]

And sharpen should give heal immunity for 3 sec

[brazen citrus]

the issue with the 1m one is any cc longer than 4? 5? seconds

will break it

and u want to save ur trinket to break meaningful cc

[lavish quest]

Then why don't you want it to be useful? If it doesn't get fixed/changed, shocker it won't be useful.

[brazen citrus]

its useful into certain things

[lavish quest]

Trash abilities are trash, who knew

[boreal stone]

no, u need trinket for times when u need to trinket something

[hot solstice]

U get sapped - adaptation goes cd

[brazen citrus]

ur a spear hater its tragic

[open ridge]

but for humans , the usage of trinket or my racial make the other ones go on CD. isnt it bad?

[brazen citrus]

it puts it on cd for 1:30

normally u trinket and its on cd for 2m

so if u rotate them u get out of more shit

[boreal stone]

just play medallion if u want a trinket

adap also causes human racial to have a cd

[open ridge]

argh. i need a refund then.

[lavish quest]

I would love spear. If it worked.

But there's no real reason to run it

[brazen citrus]

run it for the animation

and cuz its fun

[honest sundial]

POV for you guys tomorow

[green anchor]

👍

[quaint osprey]

is the raid head enchant active in pvp?

[urban skiff]

lol absolutely not

Without even looking it up

[lavish quest]

Yes it is

[quaint osprey]

so yo or nes

[lavish quest]

Nes

[deft wharf]

Nyes

[violet fossil]

No

[lavish quest]

You sure? Think it still shows in details

[patent wyvern]

Out of curiosity, how big is the pvp armor change for clothies? My friend told me since clothies dont have diminishing returns on armor, 30% more armor is like 30% more DR from armor. So if they had 10% DR they would have like 13% now. Is that true or is he full of shit?

[lavish quest]

I've heard it's 2 or 3% phys reduction. But haven't bothered to math it. Look at armor stat in game and match it out.
But the short version is cloth didn't die before, it's going to more not die now

The change is probably for balancing out hunters. Still dumb change tho

[violet fossil]

I heard it wasn’t turn on in pvp

so im not sure nap

nao

[violet fossil]

not sure but locks passive double dips into it

the demon armor

[sinful sun]

Does the armor nerf to plate classes indirectly nerf Arms dmg due to Armored to the Teeth?

Sorry if already previously discussed

[wheat jay]

yes

[urban skiff]

It's a relative buff to devokers

Mail and leather are mostly unaffected by the changes, devoker is pure magic damage with the highest armor.
I'm calling it now: Ret, warlocks, and devokers will be the winners of this patch

[lavish quest]

It's a buff to a lot of things. It's just a mess

[urban skiff]

warrior bigliest affected by the armor changes

kinda gross tbh

[lavish quest]

When's plate getting a magic dmg reduction? Lez get some magic resist up in dis bitch

[urban skiff]

Literally never

same reason we have to endure spending half of every match sitting cc or being kited.

while they get to pve pew 100% uptime

[mild thunder]

it’s more than likely a nerf to all physical dps

if it moves toward a caster meta (which it will), ww, mm, bm, rogue etc. will all be dealing 5% less damage

[urban skiff]

warrior the only plate who deals exclusively phys dam except bdk. Very few melee actually deal entirely phys dmg. I think outlaw is the other one?

[mild thunder]

this is not true

[urban skiff]

Warrior will stay relevant mostly depending on how popular other plate are. Since we deal relatively more damage to them

[weary sphinx]

Guys, warrior will be fine.

Stop panic

[urban skiff]

Nobody is panicking

this is just talking

Now this is panic

playing evoker

[mild thunder]

arms does not deal exclusively phys dmg, roughly 20-30% is bleed damage. other than that you have outlaw, sub, feral, ww, mm and bm, some enh builds, some demo builds, and sv is very phys-heavy

[weary sphinx]

Dev evoker was shit all expansion. Let em have fun

[urban skiff]

You're right, i forgot arms is bleed as well

[urban skiff]

I switched to devoker but I have a miserable time. Aug is just more fun

but I already spent like 50k honor on trophy of strife catchup so I'm going to see this through

[weary sphinx]

Aug is littarly most borring shit I ever played😂

[urban skiff]

it's literally the same as dev

just different colours

[mild thunder]

dev is a disintegrate bot now

[urban skiff]

at least aug deals damage via piling on damage

dev is just disintegrate slotmachine, hoping for crits

Super boring

to me at least

[violet fossil]

it deals blue damage vs yellow and brown damage

[urban skiff]

Aug gets a lot of hate for ruffling some nerd feathers by changing up the three roles (never mind that one is barely existing in pvp to begin with)

and I guess for being overtuned for a short while

idk, I hope people start being better about it so blizzard can experiment without feeling like they'll anger everybody

[lavish quest]

Aug was awful. It's in a good spot now

[urban skiff]

still feels weird to play

and almost completely unplayable in 2s

[mild thunder]

it’s not really a 2s spec

never was

[urban skiff]

yea i know

[mild thunder]

it ruffled feathers because it was a poorly designed game-altering spec released in the middle of an ongoing season

it then proceeded to (unsurprisingly) completely break arena, m+ and raid

[urban skiff]

It's the first time blizzard has released an entire new role in 19+ years. All things considered this went smooth

I'm still sad that the solution to support being too supporty was to make it less supporty

Soon it will go the way of the original monk heal spec and become just a regular dps

[mild thunder]

top end keys are still unachievable without an aug

that’s not smooth

[urban skiff]

Add 3-4 more support specs, expand group sizes to 6, and don't allow players back into the game before they've passed a written test to display that they understand that requiring a support to beat content is no different from requiring a healer and a tank

[mild thunder]

or just rework aug into a trad dps

the game doesn’t need a support role

[urban skiff]

I'm going to continue celebrating that blizzard is finally moving outside their comfort zone and trying new stuff. Even if the implementation needs a bit work.

[mild thunder]

never has, never will

[urban skiff]

The game doesn't need healers either. Other games do fine without

Just dodge the fire

[mild thunder]

wow was designed to have healers

it wasn’t designed to have supports

[urban skiff]

And now it's designed to have support

[mild thunder]

but it’s not lol

[urban skiff]

There's literally no rules that say it can't be that way

[mild thunder]

and if they do design encounters around having a support (more than they currently are), that’d be bad

because you’re just blocking dps from playing

[urban skiff]

They're already blocking dps from playing

[mild thunder]

yes, and that is bad

[urban skiff]

they could do 8 dps 1 tank 1 heal group

or 98