pvp

[wheat jay]

Depends

[lethal kestrel]

HOW

is this shadowlands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVp6xySaqUU&ab_channel=Bajheera

[wheat jay]

I have harpoon wing clip

[mild thunder]

outdated

[wheat jay]

Yo mama outdated

[mild thunder]

my mama dead wtf

[wheat jay]

I dont play ranged slow cuz I have Kargish with ms

[lethal kestrel]

what macro is dis

[wheat jay]

Exactly

So I can play with slowing pet

[mild thunder]

[grand scaffold]

ok

can you send it to me plz?

[wheat jay]

You can't rly macro anything on survi other than this and petattack/petpassive on some abilities

[grand scaffold]

oh

[mild thunder]

tbh even if you play like artji idk if i’d recommend dropping concussive

[wheat jay]

I dont need it

[grand scaffold]

the entire reason im gonna play surv

[mild thunder]

there are quite a few situations i find myself needing to slow healers/off-targets

[grand scaffold]

is bc you can range people and hit people close

[wheat jay]

Well

That's a stretch haha

You do highest dmg in melee

All your main cooldowns put you in melee too

[mild thunder]

remove CA charge

[wheat jay]

Remove CA

[grand scaffold]

i know

but harrassing warriors looks really fun

😂

[wheat jay]

Give back flayed shot/wild spirits on a choice node

[grand scaffold]

ca is what?

[wheat jay]

You dont harass warrs too much now tho

[mild thunder]

lmao wikf spirits

boring af

[wheat jay]

Was fun for pve

[grand scaffold]

idk ive seen a couple that play this dumb strat

[mild thunder]

lol warrior uptime is insanely high

[grand scaffold]

where in the opener if you go them

they just run tf away

its hard to catch them too

harder than bm for me

[wheat jay]

And if it was on a choice node then 0 influence on pvp

Cuz they have to kite

Or they die

[grand scaffold]

so whats ca

[wheat jay]

Coordinated assault

[grand scaffold]

ooooh

[grand scaffold]

i know

[wheat jay]

If you catch survi they melt

[grand scaffold]

but the kiting looks fun

is what im saying

true

[wheat jay]

Nahhhh bro

XD

[mild thunder]

kekw

[wheat jay]

It aint fun haha

[mild thunder]

if melee were actually kiteable it’d be fun lol

[wheat jay]

Oh no, warr got 1s uptime on me and now he's spinning, and all my kiting abilities are longer cd than bladestorm yaaaaay

If disengage gave freedom then ye kiting would be fun

[mild thunder]

warrior is bursting, i’ll disarm after
hahahaha jk he’s bladestorminf again
hahahahaha jk now he has reflect up hahahahahaha

[grand scaffold]

yeah for sure

[wheat jay]

You forgot 2nd bladestorm

[grand scaffold]

im prob wording it the wrong way

but being able to kite and still do dmg

just seems cool

[wheat jay]

You dont do dmg when kiting

[grand scaffold]

kinda do

[wheat jay]

Cuz you break your cc

[mild thunder]

shit dmg lol

[grand scaffold]

just cant press mongoose bight

aye listen

[wheat jay]

You can't do anything or cc breaks

[grand scaffold]

im just saying

you might not do mega dmg

[mild thunder]

you do shit damage

[grand scaffold]

but still being able to do dm

dmg

[wheat jay]

You dont do any dmg or cc breaks fam

[grand scaffold]

is cool to me

[grand scaffold]

im not argueing

[wheat jay]

And survi dmg is low anyway

[grand scaffold]

but some beats 0

[grand scaffold]

is it?

[mild thunder]

almost every melee can do better damage from range kekw

outlaw

dk

ret

[grand scaffold]

most survs i find crank

[wheat jay]

Ye

[grand scaffold]

oh

[wheat jay]

Compared to 0 uptime, sure

[mild thunder]

yea sv dmg is mid af

[grand scaffold]

exactly

thats the key thing

[mild thunder]

but no melee with fingers has 0 uptime

arms mobility is insane into hunter

uhdk can’t be kited

ret is a fake melee

etc

[wheat jay]

In 3s if you play against sth like tsg you cant kite at any point

0 chance, 100% on your teammates mercy

[mild thunder]

so true bestie

[wheat jay]

Like, survi is super fun imo

One of the most skillful specs in the game

But its not in the best spot

[mild thunder]

seconded on every point

[wheat jay]

And it used to be more fun, cuz it used to do super high consistent dmg and very low burst

Now its doing fairly low consistent with decent burst through explosive shot and fote

[mild thunder]

also old survival tactics >>>>

[wheat jay]

Mmmm that's debatable

If it was current + slow removal it would be huge

But without slow removal its painful

[mild thunder]

idc if it was “better” or not, but the old ST facilitated the spec’s playstyle better

imo

the extra mobility and utility was a godsend and allowed you to play way more freely

i would also be fine with being more bursty/less consistent, BUT i find a lot of our burst really unfun

like explosive and fote

are not good buttons

[wheat jay]

Fote isn't too bad

Explosive is dogshit

Biggest burst of the class, 80k hit, hits after 3s, can be dispelled...

Bruh

Chakram also sucks

[mild thunder]

fote channel is just clunky imo

the health threshold is almost never applicable to pvp and the range is super short

chakrams also cringe

[wheat jay]

And that's why I rolled dh

Back to warr next expansion tho

And survi for pvp

[grand scaffold]

im so fucking our of buttons

out*

is there a macro to show diff pvp talents depending on what i pick

[wheat jay]

Well I have 54 macros

Or more

[grand scaffold]

😂

thats crazy

[wheat jay]

There's also pet control btw

[grand scaffold]

i cba with that

😂

[wheat jay]

If your pet is in cc you cant use freedom or roar of sacrifice

If your pet is dead you lose like 70% of your dmg after like 5s

Cuz you cant mongoose, or kc, or stun, or Serpent Sting, can only bomh

So keep mending pet up

[grand scaffold]

i have pet mend bound

ill macro pet attack to mongoose bite

[wheat jay]

I do it to kill command

[wheat jay]

Where flare?

And mending bandage

And hunter's mark

[grand scaffold]

flare on side bar

[wheat jay]

Fair fair

[grand scaffold]

so is hunters mark

is there a way to combind mending bangade and sticky tar bomb into 1 macro?

[wheat jay]

I believe so, but why?

You may need both

[grand scaffold]

well

i cant drop feign death talent

or scorpid sting

do you know how that macro may look?

[wheat jay]

You sometimes can drop chimera

If you were to face sth like kitty cleave or assa/arms

Sometimes tranq darts are your best play too

Depends on comps

[grand scaffold]

taht i know as well

i just want to combine bandage and disarm bc i dont have the buttons

[wheat jay]

Make the buttons

[mild thunder]

and i rolled feral

i’m still gonna push jungle on sv tho

[mild thunder]

expecting to not have 6+ action bars as sv is funny lol

[wheat jay]

Ye

Its funny how its not a hybrid spec with bunch of healing or rogue with bunch of 123 macros and yet you still have so many binds

I use focus macros and there's still 50+

[grand scaffold]

too uncomfortable

😦

[wheat jay]

Smh

Flex your fingers my guy

[bright kraken]

do we want crit or haste for arms

[grand scaffold]

haste at 30%

vers at 30%

rest mastery

somebody should pin this

[bright kraken]

wowhead a scam then damm

[bright kraken]

how

[grand scaffold]

thats pve

[grand scaffold]

idk you just do it

pvp gear and that

[bright kraken]

it is literally in the pvp section

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/pvp-overview

[grand scaffold]

dont read it then

point is just use the stats i said

should boost your dmg a lot

[bright kraken]

this my stats rn

idk how to make vers lower since vers is on all of the pvp gear

is what i mean

mods?

[river walrus]

@grand scaffold change every crafted piece to haste/mastery, should also lose some vers from tier set

My warrior has like 27% vers scaled, 42% mastery and 35% haste. Somewhere around those numbers

[river walrus]

Also try and craft on pieces that has a lot of critical strike so you get rid of that

[bright kraken]

ah

im full honour lmao

[wheat jay]

Why would you want to lose vers?

Wtf

Its offensive AND defensive

With focus on defensive

[bright cloak]

if you're not concerned about keeping alive, other haste and mastery should provide a bigger increase in damage per point.

[urban skiff]

am i a big deal yet? This is blitz

[wheat jay]

You're always concerned about living in pvp

Unless you scale like crazy with mastery or haste you should always go max versa

And warr doesnt scale like crazy with any stats, used to be crit but now its dogshit

And you're not really a glass cannon as warrior, you dont oneshot people

[river walrus]

Vers is just overrated

You don't need more than 30% scaled vers

Specially in SS

[mild thunder]

aren’t people here always crying about arms being squishy?

[river walrus]

Maybe high end 3x3 you do need as much vers as possible but mastery and haste will give you more stats than vers. The difference between 26% to 30% vers is minimal if I am not mistaken

[mild thunder]

4% dmg/healing and -2% dmg taken is minimal? bruh

[river walrus]

Idk man, I play with 27% vers and 30% haste and dumb everything on mastery

[urban skiff]

if anything vers is underrated

[urban skiff]

ok but i have 40% vers

doing 10% more damage and taking 5% less is a 15% shift

[river walrus]

How much haste and mastery do you have with that much vers??

And how do you have so much vers??? No tier pieces??

[bright kraken]

what order do we wanna buy conquest pieces

[urban skiff]

weapon > tier > pieces with your ideal stats > pieces with crap stats

does this give one or a week's worth of strife?

[river walrus]

1

[urban skiff]

I worry it's only one and that's yuck

[river walrus]

1 trophy for 3500 honor

It's some BS

Early season I spent a lot of ho or there because I missed a week

[urban skiff]

i have a bit of honor stored up but I want to use it for alts

like 40k

[river walrus]

That's a lot of honor lol

[raw summit]

dont have to buy a wepon if I have lego right

[wheat jay]

I guess so

[teal hedge]

You got ham hocks in Poland as well?

It's like, boiled pork served with turnip mash

[wheat jay]

Pics

[teal hedge]

Discord is having a fit

I tried sending a pic

[urban skiff]

Discord, Reddit, and youtube are all being weird for me right now

YT has good explanation because they're still trying to mess with adblock

[teal hedge]

I bet you know the dish though

Fläsklägg

[urban skiff]

Boiled ham, right?

[teal hedge]

Yep!

[urban skiff]

Yep, make it like once a month

[teal hedge]

Goated food

[violet fossil]

Boiled ham?

[teal hedge]

Yeah you take this big thing of pork

And boil it for hours with different herbs and spices

[wheat jay]

Oh, never had it

[teal hedge]

Serve it up with turnip, potato and carrot mash

[wheat jay]

Im not a huge fan of ham

Unless its on toast

[teal hedge]

Ham is super big in the nordics

[wheat jay]

Im a chicken enthusiast

[teal hedge]

Chicken is the healthiest

This meat gets you ultra-cancer

[urban skiff]

I much prefer flæskesteg, can eat it with red cabbage and potatoes or put it in a burger

[teal hedge]

I think that's fläskstek in swedish

[urban skiff]

i make that so much

[wheat jay]

I dont rly care about cancer from meat or whatever

Meat is the best food

[teal hedge]

Yeah I really like eating meat, too

[wheat jay]

And best source of protein

[teal hedge]

Favourite common meat has gotta be salmon

[wheat jay]

And tasty

[urban skiff]

Already beat cancer twice. I'm ok if I get to skip a 3rd round

[teal hedge]

💪

[wheat jay]

Irl warrior confirmed

[urban skiff]

If cancer takes me someday, I want ya'll to zercher squat in my name

If you rep 150kg you can even come visit for a few minutes before returning to the land of the living

[wheat jay]

I did squat once

120kg two reps, then returned to doing low weight many reps

[urban skiff]

I haven't touched backsquats since I did 175kg

It was embarassing that squat overtook deadlift and I've spent ever since trying to bring my deadlifts up. I guess I just don't have the passion for deadlifting though and now I doubt I can squat more than 150kg back. Feels bad. So i just do zerchers and pretend nothing ever happened

[violet fossil]

does deadlift count

[urban skiff]

zercher is like the illegitimate child of deadlift and squat

so sure

[violet fossil]

oh it’s that

I didn’t realize that was the name lol

[urban skiff]

It's the GOAT

[violet fossil]

my backs kinda messed up

but I need to lift again

[urban skiff]

Never too late to bring the train back on track and take a ride

[violet fossil]

for sure

[wheat jay]

Depends

You won't play it into casters

[urban skiff]

there are 15 people who log out with disarm and 35 people who switch into disarm when the arena begins

[teal hedge]

So true

As soon as I get the meds I will be so barack

@urban skiff You do any sports besides powerlifting?

[urban skiff]

i was training for strongman but corona messed up my cardio track

[teal hedge]

Ah fuck

[urban skiff]

did like 12 years of karate in my teens

[teal hedge]

Only sport I've ever done was judo as a kid

But I wanna get into something some time

[urban skiff]

I did a few years of bouldering but I'm waiting for my wife's knees to get better before we go again

[teal hedge]

I'm pretty sure I'm built for strongman but U

I'm unsure about that one

[urban skiff]

since we do it as a couple

[teal hedge]

That's lovely

[urban skiff]

but i weigh like 100kg and most of it is leg strength so it's not like I'm good at it

[teal hedge]

100kg is a good weight to be

I'd wanna get down to 110kg and stay there sometime

[violet fossil]

im currently at 122kg

[urban skiff]

Respect

Must be tough carrying that all day

[violet fossil]

I got down to 90kg was my lowest

[urban skiff]

I don't mean that in a mean way btw

[violet fossil]

nah im a big fella I carry it well

hehe

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/extra-thicc-extra-thicc-thick-extra-thick-gif-21812607

[urban skiff]

Warriors always thicc

[teal hedge]

Yeah I just can't figure out how to drop my weight in a viable way

[urban skiff]

My tip is that you worry about 1kg. Do everything in your power to remove that one kg.

Caveat is that you can't do anything that you wouldn't do if it were your dog.

[teal hedge]

Yeah I gotta drop like 45 kgs

Shits brutal

But thankfully I'm very tall, so weight works differently on me, but I might get the silliest life-hack

I either get the crohn's diagnosis or IBS, so after that it's starvation time to figure out what the hell is messing with me

[bright cloak]

tbf I lost like 8 kg to a food poisoning once

but would not recommend for weight loss

[teal hedge]

That is beautiful

I lost like 5 kg to stomach flu

[urban skiff]

My coworker had food poisoning when visiting india, She dropped from 75kg to like 45kg and cannot find appetite to go back up again

And it's like many years ago, so not something that time will fix at this point

[teal hedge]

45 kg?

[urban skiff]

Yea

she's like 1.45 tho

[teal hedge]

Oh okay

[urban skiff]

so it's not super wild weight for her

[teal hedge]

I'm pretty sure 45 kg is less than the weight of my entire skeleton

[urban skiff]

Your skeleton weighs like 2.5 - 4kg

[teal hedge]

Ohg

Still, 45 kg is less than half my healthy bodyweight

[urban skiff]

Same

that's basically a medium size dumbbell

[teal hedge]

Lmao

[urban skiff]

That's still warmup territory

[teal hedge]

My biceps are immaculately weak though

Always my weakpoint

Biceps and shoulders

So whenever I used to curl my entire arms would just hurt

[urban skiff]

I meant more like for rows and db press

[teal hedge]

Still that is super strong

I only ever went up to 25s on db press

I think

[urban skiff]

Although I guess 45kg would still be considered warmup for curls with a bar

Kroc rows changed my life

Or I guess not that dramatic, but still it made my back blow up in size

[teal hedge]

Yeah I used to hit back every day of the week

Or rather, every day I worked out

Which was 4 days a week

Honestly can't wait to get back to it B)

[urban skiff]

I used to do PPL + 2x fullbody over the week

[teal hedge]

Shiiiit

You gotta be strong as FUCK

[urban skiff]

PPL on like tuesday wednesday thursday. Then fullbody saturday and sunday. But the fullbody was separated into upper/lower so I'd go hard on upper and volume on lower on saturday and reverse on sunday

It wasn't really complicated, very intuitive. Very enjoyable

[teal hedge]

Yeah I did upper/lower

[urban skiff]

Like 1x vertical press, 1x horisontal press, 1x vertical pull, 1x horisontal pull, squats, deadlifts. That's all I did

[teal hedge]

Funniest result of that was overexerting my calves to the point where I couldn't walk

Did 160 kg x 12 calf raises

[teal hedge]

That is pretty solid, essentially what I did as well

Except I skipped deadlifts for the most part

[urban skiff]

Idk, i think i'm pretty average

Can't get my deadlift over 200kg without straps

[teal hedge]

And hit back every sesh because it's underdeveloped and I easily get pain there

[teal hedge]

Well you're tall, so I bet it's hard to get into position

Deadlifts were just impossible to get right for me

[urban skiff]

It's why I do zerchers on deadlift volume work and keep to just 5/3/1 deadlift programming. High volume deadlifts just lead straight into injury town for me

[teal hedge]

I got these wicked lower back pumps where it just hurt

[violet fossil]

carb cutting

[teal hedge]

Yeah that's what I gotta do huh

Brutal

[violet fossil]

yeah it sucks haha

[urban skiff]

Long walks, fewer calories than you need to maintain your weight

It sounds simple but it's going to suck for a while because the body wants to maintain an equilibrium

[eager hazel]

LFG PVP group

[violet fossil]

basically gotta make your stomach crave the leaner stuff

[grand scaffold]

2400 fury

💪

whole lotta work

[rotund trellis]

grats!

FIVE HUNDRED ROUNDS? Jesus you're crazy that would drive me insane

[grand scaffold]

yeah took me a while

but i had to get it

cba to be sub 2400 on fury

next weekend i will push r1 on fury

[river walrus]

is it normal for me to have this much more damage or are people in this blitz just undergeared?

[river walrus]

brooooo that`s insane

gratz

[grand scaffold]

ty ty

[urban skiff]

what you bringing?

[urban skiff]

Blitz scales people up to honor level pvp gear. It's the ideal place to farm honor and conq to get into arenas

[river walrus]

I see

[river walrus]

What you running? Anni build or a hybrid of raging blow??

[grand scaffold]

raging blow build

mine is weird though

[river walrus]

So you running tier set? If so you only press BT when buffed by odyns fury??

[grand scaffold]

yeah only press bt when buffed by odyns fury

4 seyt

set*

[lavish quest]

How many rounds did it take you on arms?

[grand scaffold]

160

😂

maybe more

not remotely close

arms just outlcasses fury

outclasses*

[teal hedge]

Shuffle sure is a tough nut to crack

I'm trying to play as optimally as possible but these people drop like a sack of potatoes

[boreal stone]

Shuffle is an awful bracket that promotes terrible play styles that aren’t good for the game

[teal hedge]

I end up having to exhaust all my big 5 min cds within the opener to just have a chance at winning?

[boreal stone]

They need to change how shuffle functions for it to be good

Turn it into a rated skirmish

[teal hedge]

Feels really bad

[boreal stone]

And it’s already better

[teal hedge]

Yeah no this isn't pleasant at all

Note: I am in really low ratings

Can't really get into the zone considering my gaming schedule is very sporatic, so I end up not really improving a lot, but even I can recognise that you should not die in neutral because you cannot move away from a monk.

[fallen estuary]

should have been since day 1

they have to make the most regarded ideas into a rated gamemode when the most simple option is to make it a 1 and done game

[urban skiff]

idk about that, i feel like a lot of 2s and 3s healers are completely unprepared for getting attacked thanks to shuffle.

So it's good for making me feel good

[river walrus]

I love SS and it's the only reason I play wow. If I had to sit 40 minutes in LFR just for group to disband after 1 loss I would lose my mind

At least with SS I can climb

[lavish quest]

So I tried a destro SS. In all greens, no tier

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140759203225554974/1195848408070619207/image.png?ex=65b57b9e&is=65a3069e&hm=68ea30de0c5f8fc896bfa1b1fc2a62a9bb42c121506a253aa17856654328bc1e&

Explain how this is legal?

[lavish quest]

"In theory."

[lucid kayak]

all the skills that you learn in shuffle apply to 3s/2s

which are git gud or reroll to meta spec

[hot solstice]

I legit like having 15% crit as arms

Enough to crit often

Without dropping other stats below 30%

[mild thunder]

“tunnel one target, ignore proper swapping because you can’t rely on teammates”

shuffle is shit, it’ll always be shit

[boreal stone]

I mean that’s just false lol

If u play any other bracket the way you play shuffle, you will literally be 1600 forever

In 2s/3s I mean

[urban skiff]

there's no distinct difference between how i play in shuffle or 2s or 3s and I'm at 1730 now

big boy pants

[lucid kayak]

no you won't lol

cd trading/knowing when to swap and cc/utility usage are the same across brackets

[boreal stone]

Do you ever wonder why pretty much any r1 player can dedicate a mere week to shuffle and be r1 range instantly, but most shuff r1 players can barely get glad on their spec?

[boreal stone]

They’re not

[lucid kayak]

they are

the difference between shuffle to 3s is like -200mmr

[boreal stone]

That’s cope to the highest degree

[simple rock]

r1 shuff players are easily hitting glad

[boreal stone]

They’re not

[simple rock]

glad is easy at the end of seas with inflation

[lavish quest]

Keep saying it in different ways but it keeps censoring me

[boreal stone]

I know of multiple shuffle r1s that either can’t get glad or barely get it at the very end of the season

[simple rock]

probably need to grind their social skills then

[boreal stone]

No

They simply

Aren’t good

Enough to get it

[teal hedge]

Do not anger the khan

[boreal stone]

But they’re good enough to play shuffle as a full time job, maintain a 51% win rate for 2000 games

[simple rock]

seems like a small minority

i've played a decent amount of shuff and nearly every high mmr lobby is r1 players

[boreal stone]

Shuffle doesn’t compare to actual arena to any significant degree

[simple rock]

at end of seas

[boreal stone]

The gameode is short format, fast dampening

Very contrary to 2s/3s

Which is why shuffle is terrible in its current iteration

[lavish quest]

2s is just run around a pillar for 20 mins till you either win or lose

At least as a warrior 😭

[boreal stone]

Haven’t sat on a pillar in a single 2s game

[proper hazel]

Someone’s in a bad mood today

[boreal stone]

?

[lavish quest]

So your opponents don't dry hump them?

Strange

[simple rock]

sweaty retail 2s is some of the worst wow i've ever experienced

[boreal stone]

I have more fun queuing into arcane rdruid on warrior in 2s than playing shuffle

I could be in the minority there

[simple rock]

D:

[boreal stone]

But shuffle is a cancer

[lavish quest]

Definitely are

[boreal stone]

To arena gameplay

[lavish quest]

But your second statement isn't wrong either

[simple rock]

game would be omega dead without shuffle not gonna lie

[boreal stone]

Game is omega dead because of shuffle

Shuffle is a bandaid

To a larger issue

[lavish quest]

I do wish they'd delete shuffle

[simple rock]

arena was in a bad state all of shadowlands after season 1

population wise

[boreal stone]

Pvp isn’t welcoming enough to new players to replace the old players that are quitting

[lavish quest]

They can't fix queue times, get rid of it

[boreal stone]

Shuffle should just be rated skirmish that u can solo que

More non arena rewards

To encourage ppl to do bgs and non rated content, then progress into rated skirmishes for more rewards

Then ideally progress to rated arena to earn even more cosmetics

OR find a way to be able to add a filtered solo que for 2s/3s

Like if I played warrior, I could filter by what specs I wanted to play with, if I wanted to que 2s/3s, etc.

[boreal leaf]

Everything you just said would result in long as que times and that saying something for how long it takes to question for solo as dps. There's a reason why Bluaazard took away blacklist.

[boreal stone]

It’s obviously not a perfect design

But I feel like you would have more fun, and more rewarding games that way instead of the steaming pile of shit that is shuffle matchmaking

[violet fossil]

it takes long now

long schlong dong

[lavish quest]

The only two options are leave it as is, or delete it

[boreal leaf]

Finally climbed to 1800 rating

[fallen estuary]

now the real game begins

[safe summit]

i need tips on the armor

what should i do conquest or blood gear or class

fury

[sharp meteor]

Sporecloak unplayable at last check.

Probs just go for shadowflame or verdant conduit if you aren't a fan of lining.

[granite quest]

Hey there! What's your opinion on lining vs conduit?

[nimble jasper]

make cosmetic sets that dont look shit

i knew so many people who started purely for elite mogs

[sharp meteor]

Kind of a team/matchup thing. If you have high lining uptime then it's great. If it's only on burst windows it's still good. If it's never up then it's obviously not great.

It's just one of those things where having the 650 or so mastery up during useful windows of burst or w/e can contribute a lot more than shadowflame or verdant just making you do 0.7% more overall.

[granite quest]

Ty for the insight! I appreciate it

[mild thunder]

have you started pvping yet?

[sharp meteor]

I've played a handful of 3s a few weeks ago. Mostly just tinkering around with alts.

[mild thunder]

we gaming when i come back fr fr

(carry me pls)

qfiend is a bitch and won’t queue

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, barely queuing, just trying to figure out if I'm doing the shuffle meme thing again. c:

[mild thunder]

better than playing aug…

[urban skiff]

On a fresh evoker, would you use conq weapon and strife tier pieces or reversed?

[grand scaffold]

tbh

just buy conquest for both

and buy strife bracers cape and belt

[urban skiff]

no vaults so kinda far behind

cap is like 6k now so that means no jewelry

[grand scaffold]

nah trust you can get fully geared besides trinket

[urban skiff]

ah

[urban skiff]

by the looks of it, the choice is between strife tier or running with honor jewelry

yuck

[grand scaffold]

eh

for my alts i just buy conquest everything besides trinkets back belt and bracers

there ends up being just enough

[urban skiff]

The strife cap is 80 on wednesday

that's 240k honor to cap 😮

like 75 conq too little to do a full higher-than-honor set this week

[fickle forge]

It's a good talent, but there are better ones you need to take usually

Duel is situationally really good

[grand scaffold]

tbh its a very good talent

but other imo have better or higher value

[urban skiff]

we're spoiled for good and great talents

[grand scaffold]

imagine if arms had just 1 more talent point

and fury had 3 more

[rancid moth]

Is rogue a hard class to play?

or easy

[grand scaffold]

depends

sub is hard

assass is straighforward

so is outlaw

[rancid moth]

do yk which is better in classic sub or assassin

[grand scaffold]

no idea

never played classic

i just play retail

[river walrus]

Bro I hit 2k on my warrior and then back to 1.8k. Idk how you manage to get 2400 Mr @grand scaffold

[fickle forge]

Have you tried winning instead?

[river walrus]

Tried

Didn't work

Got a frost mage and devoker lobby yesterday and could literally not move or hit anything lol

[grand scaffold]

tbh

ive played fury since wod

and arms here and there since legion

its just a matter of practice

one day itll be ez for you too

🙂

and btw

i wasnt good at all till df s1

where i spammed around 2000-3000 rounds of solo shuffle

[fickle forge]

The Seif experience

[scarlet barn]

[sleek wave]

Is crafting the axe worth it? isnt season 4 near or not yett?

[cerulean latch]

Hey guys i want to try pvp as fury, i dont have any PvP equipment or something.. how do i start doing pvp and get some gear?

[sleek wave]

u have an alt? u only need like 11k honor gear i guess

[violet fossil]

got like several months lol

[cerulean latch]

Yeah i do have alt a 70 lvl dk

[sleek wave]

ayt imma craft it

[violet fossil]

spam bgs

[cerulean latch]

Till i have honour and get verdant gear?

[violet fossil]

ye

need about 11k for full set

you can buy PvP gear off ah, but it’s lower ilvl than honor

[simple rock]

I'll take duel in 3s if I have a lock or mage on my team vs a melee cleave

or cupid

depending on what healer we have too

[cerulean latch]

Oh ok i see and after that I upgrade it with crests?

[violet fossil]

that only upgrades the pve ilvl so that’s up to you

[urban skiff]

We're at 8th week out of like 20+

[teal hedge]

You older warrior players ever gotten a buzzcut?

I am considering one

[simple rock]

used to just buzzcut myself as a teen/into covid

[fallen estuary]

I shaved my hair and faked having terminal cancer just to get into make a wish to get my fucking fyralath

[stark gulch]

bruh

XD

[violet fossil]

3 all over

[teal hedge]

Considering doing it as I got bad genes for hair

Hair looks pretty nice, but it gets greasy fast and I have to shampoo every day, so my scalp gets dry.

[cosmic warren]

quick question! what should i buy next after 4 set and weapon? 🙂

[boreal stone]

Neck and Rings (craft them)

[woeful solstice]

HELLO BOYS

[teal hedge]

Tjenixen kiggs

[wheat jay]

Hello Habibi

How are you?

[wheat jay]

Oof

[woeful solstice]

just smashing dorks while wearing full greens

[teal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-discord-speech-bubble-midget-midget-speech-bubble-gif-9744429228458603953

Gnome warrior

[wheat jay]

Im gonna have to do the same

Quick Elite set

[simple rock]

would never catch me race changing to gnome

transmog game is just too weak

can't even see it!

[teal hedge]

Transmog game on worgens is abyssmal

[simple rock]

that race doesn't even exist

except for that 1 rdruid that plays it

[eternal shuttle]

Any tips on how to chase resto shams in 2s as arms warrior? I play with a preservation evoker or a disc priest in 2s and I can't seem to stay on the resto shaman. Curious if resto shamans are hard to catch or if I am misusing my gap closers. Any tips would be great!

[woeful solstice]

yeah ur right i cant even see it

[pallid comet]

my favorite part about solo queis getting stuck in 1600 because i only win 3 rounds and my rating goes unchanged. becuase healers and dps come in with green gear

[honest sundial]

s1/s2 glad lf warrior to farm glad this season, currently 2200, havent played much since inflation (message me)

warrior/mage/rdru

[magic wing]

Dark iron is bis

Looks wise and racial wise

[magic wing]

I used to shave my head bald with 1 guard, didnt look bad at all

Gotta have a beard tho

[honest sundial]

are those buffs substantial for fury?

[woeful solstice]

Ehhhh

Yes but arms is just better overall imo

[honest sundial]

yea arms is good in 3s for sure

many s tier comps

[mild thunder]

not really

slaughterhouse uptime is good already

[wheat jay]

This changes nothing

Fury is still ass compared to arms

Maybe if fury had bladestorms

[magic wing]

Fury is the 1v1 spec arms is groups

Always was the case

[violet fossil]

no

odyns fury gives 4 stacks and onslaught only gives 1 stack

[river walrus]

To make fury good they need to either pump our damage by a lot or give us some extra mobility like the charge on crushing blow we had in shadowlands

[teal hedge]

Holy balls?

They done killed him

[fickle forge]

Bro using Doomwinds

Bait

[teal hedge]

They killed my mage in 23 seconds

Holy hell

Even with ps

[lavish quest]

Mage has block n alter n shit. How the hell he dying in 23 seconds? That's skill issue

[teal hedge]

Yeah they did the entire burst in like 2 seconds

Lil man did not have time to react

They killed his as s‼️

[wheat jay]

They can die through alter

[lavish quest]

Say it with me:
"Skill issue."

Blizz spoonfed mages everything they need and they still suckin. Sounds like a them issue

[wheat jay]

Dying to rng is not skill issue

In all fairness, mages need to play well with their walls

[lavish quest]

That entire snip he sent was like 150k dmg in total tops

Man was lv 58 in questing greens?

[teal hedge]

How do I send entire snip?

Shaman did 2,4 mil in a 23 second game

[fickle forge]

Have you tried pressing Disarm and Intervene?

[teal hedge]

Do keep this a secret

But I play disc

[fickle forge]

Yeah it's joever for you

Doomwinds is an awful build as well

[teal hedge]

I did pain suppression him and he still droppedl ike a bag of potatoes

[fickle forge]

Every enh using Lava Lash build now

[wheat jay]

Every enh

Whole 3 of them

2 of which are loveless and his alt

[fickle forge]

I'll have you know that there are 2 enh players now

🙏

[wheat jay]

Loveless and his alt?

Or did you gear your enh again for turbo with me?

[wet pollen]

When aiming for 30% vers and 25-30% haste, is that before or after scaling kicks in?

[teal hedge]

Before

[wet pollen]

Ok thanks

[grand scaffold]

during pvp

not in pve

[fickle forge]

I may try enh again

[simple rock]

I really gave enh a shot, thought i'd enjoy it because I love ele and arms

it feels like such a wheelchair spec in shuffle though

mainly when you don't have ms on your team

[hybrid socket]

Hey y'all, running rdruid/war and getting wrecked by anything/DH. Any general strats against DH for an arms?

Sitting DH sucks because of cleave

[simple rock]

swap on blur, stun/fear essence break, keep them slowed when they're on your druid

you can run berserker shout for their fear on your heals

if you're the one dying

[hybrid socket]

Mainly they just stay on resto and wreck him pretty quick

Hpal doesn't have much issue with me and I crush other healers

[grand scaffold]

hit their healer when dh hits yours

and hit dh when he hits you

[hybrid socket]

So I need to git gud

At killing hpal

[simple rock]

your druid needs to practice cloning out of your stuns

if you bolt clone DH on cds you'll out damp them pretty consistently

[honest sundial]

no warrior wants to play with me

🥹

[teal hedge]

Why do you run a crypto-account on twitter

[wheat jay]

Cant rly outdamp a good dh

Just gotta have a good healer xd

[lavish quest]

After scaling

Don't listen to Galanus, he's a 1400 disc

[simple rock]

at higher ratings yea but I think he's still learning

most DHs crumble when they can't get their dmg off

[honest sundial]

me?

[teal hedge]

Ya

[honest sundial]

it's not crypto

[teal hedge]

Oh my fault homeboy

[honest sundial]

no one messaged me, no one wanna be my fren

[teal hedge]

You did send it at 9 in the morning in Europe

[honest sundial]

[elfin surge]

oh great

frost mage main is in skyhold now

[wheat jay]

True, one game I couldn't get uptime on a resto

So I turned and I oneshot warrior xD

[lavish quest]

Who's the frostmage? Mcdons?

[elfin surge]

ye

[lavish quest]

Makes sense with that pfp. Kinda gross to play mage, but if you don't have arms guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do

[boreal stone]

Good one man

Got my own fan

Love to see it

[honest sundial]

racist?

[glass roost]

Is the leggo stupid to use in arena?

Like do the stats w no vers kill it

[simple rock]

it's better than the pvp weapon

purely because of ilvl

but it's not a huge upgrade

[glass roost]

Okay so weapon damage still trumps

What kind of vers do we want to be at then? Like 30%?

[simple rock]

these are my stats in pvp right now

and it feels great

you can go lower haste for more mastery though

[grand scaffold]

you can drop vers and go mastery btw

can get 10% out of dropping 4-5% vers

[simple rock]

yea

I just cba re doing my crafted items right now

[grand scaffold]

fair enough

[glass roost]

okay this is awesome, thank you so much for showing me hahaha

[grand scaffold]

shitting me

fr shitting me

[fickle sage]

Is Fury viable in pvp?

Likes 2s or BGs?

[grand scaffold]

hell no

worst melee in the game atm

[violet fossil]

fun in bgs but that’s about it

[grand scaffold]

fun but it doesnt perform well

😦

[violet fossil]

death wish yolo

[teal hedge]

I have drank 6 cups of bouillon today

[fickle sage]

So its mainly just Arms

[violet fossil]

I made a ww quit

[teal hedge]

I also increased my 2s rank by 200 cr

Correlation?

[violet fossil]

he ran home cryin

he’s the one posting on the forums saying fury is op

[lavish quest]

Maybe against gnomes

[honest sundial]

gnome is the master race

[grand scaffold]

gnome ftw

[simple rock]

world first good gnome mog

[honest sundial]

https://fxtwitter.com/BigmoranIRL/status/1745587773086810552?s=20

goat gnome warrior

[rotund trellis]

LOVING THIS BUILD RIGHT NOW:

caps sorry

[hot solstice]

So s1 set won

Do we go crit than?

[lusty moth]

doubt it

[rotund trellis]

[hot solstice]

Idk runnin 15 crit with 30% other stats for plus legendary feels nice

But s1 tier set wasn’t nerfed in pvp even when crit was 175%

[boreal stone]

Arms getting season 1 tier, Fury getting season 2

also, expect these to get tuned!

[violet fossil]

damn I liked current arms bonus

[wheat jay]

Better not to expect it

You might get disappointed xD

[boreal stone]

same tbh

bummer the EU andies took over

[proper hazel]

Arms rotation is actually so smooth rn🥺

[lucid walrus]

wyrmrest players are something else

[hybrid socket]

Some solo lobbies are so weird

There's a lot of luck into a good lobby I feel like

That tier combo is so boring

Was it just the best performing or something?

[wheat jay]

No, most voted

[hybrid socket]

I know, but I imagine there's a reason it's most popular?

[wheat jay]

Y'all got griefed by mages

Tough luck

[onyx marlin]

best single target dps increase in pve i guess

[honest sundial]

lmfao

that name

[fallen estuary]

i think i just made the perfect stats for arms

[mild ember]

Wow.. cool.. thanks EU!

[hybrid socket]

How's the crit so high

[fallen estuary]

a shit weapon

[mild ember]

God this pisses me off.

[fallen estuary]

im literally doing 100k damage with this build now LMAO

[hybrid socket]

I always try to get to 30 mast 30 vers 30 haste

They're soft capped at 30 right?

[fallen estuary]

🤷‍♂️

[mild ember]

Arms felt nice with all those executes spreading rend. Wtf. Crit? Did they vote on that for a pve thing or did we get trolled.

[fallen estuary]

yea i bought a crit conq ring now and heres my stats

[hybrid socket]

Can arms beat ret in 1v1 in any way?

Like a duel build of some sort

[lucid walrus]

if they don't have hands, sure

[boreal stone]

100k dps isnt a lot

tbh

crit is by far the worst stat for arms in pvp

its a dps loss to take it

[mild thunder]

so true bestie

[mild thunder]

no

duels are so

[fallen estuary]

idk all my stats are looming around 28% and its actually pretty good feeling

warlocks stand no chance

[lucid walrus]

wake me from cryosleep in 10 years when this spec feels like early kyrian arms warrior again

[mild thunder]

no galathermic?

[lucid walrus]

hm. kept the prefix for the voting period

s2 appearance DID win

[mild thunder]

probably the best one imo

[lucid walrus]

fuck it i only post in here anyway

[mild thunder]

[lucid walrus]

didn’t understand the s1 train at all

[boreal stone]

Feeling good doesn’t mean it’s optimal

You can obviously play w/e stats u want

But crit isn’t good and not very optimal to play, you’re also missing a bit of versatility

[lucid walrus]

just a different colored pile of rocks. cool set to start the expansion with i guess

[mild thunder]

s1 is incredibly generic

[river walrus]

I am confused, how fury s2 wins if s3 has more votes??

[mild thunder]

it’s just a worse version of brf

i’m curious how arms s1 won when it’s a worse bonus that’s also less fun

[fallen estuary]

"generic" dawg it was the best at its time

also

where you seeing S1 winning?

its saying s3 won for me

[mild thunder]

🧢

best at what?

[fallen estuary]

mortal strikes ofc

not spider strikes where youre at

[mild thunder]

what

we’re talking about the transmog you idiot

[fallen estuary]

transmogs

[river walrus]

Ohhhhh my bad, u guys on EU?? I was looking at NA and arms won s3

[fallen estuary]

🛌

EU doesnt count tbh

[mild thunder]

EU let arms down tho ngl

and NA let fury down

[boreal stone]

Look at total votes my man

[river walrus]

I see

For some reason I was under the impression they would count NA and EU separately lol

[unique fox]

stop the count

eu was rigged

[mild thunder]

when are we storming blizz HQ?

(i’m a fed)

[sage raptor]

Tomorrow (I'm not a fed)

[teal hedge]

Eu has the larger playerbase

[fallen estuary]

Im missing around 3% of verse for a massive chunk of crit (30%now) i was having problems with efficiency killing during matches an was always on bottom bar. But when i balanced stats i ran 5 lobbies and with frost mages and balance druid lobbies i was top dps and lost only 1 (3 had healer diffs but i did 5-6 my last one by a landslide)

My kill efficiency went up drastically with getting 30% crit while balancing all my stats high

One MS can crit a rogue normal for 117 consistantly forcing cds from him early and mages just cant keep up with my damage now

[lavish quest]

Only prot got a good vote. Feelsbadman

[boreal stone]

Most games look like this for me either 25% haste, 40% mast, 31% vers, and like 11% crit

I’m top damage literally every game in 3s

Even against the caster cleaves

[fallen estuary]

Thats what my lobbies look like but they dont last as long as those

[boreal stone]

That game was about 80 seconds long

[fallen estuary]

Thats 3s right?

[boreal stone]

Yeah

[fallen estuary]

I was talking SS wise. Matches in ss literally can end 2 seconds when doors open

I love ray of frost btw

[boreal stone]

Largely rating dependent

Sure u can spam crit ppl and shit on them in the opener at like 21 hundo

Realistically, you can’t do that 2.4+

Arms just isn’t a burst spec anymore

Sucks that u just have to embrace the consistent cleave pressure that it brings to the table now

[fallen estuary]

I hate being a feral druid

S1 set /w crit nerf revert will easily fix it

I miss doing 50% ms crits like in s1 with good setup

[lavish quest]

They'll never allow that

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[lusty moth]

crit chance should be flat 10% and your crit chance becomes crit dmg in pvp so 150% + crit chance stat.

[elfin surge]

@boreal stone when are u gunna get good and finally get r1 for once

the world is waiting

your move.

[boreal stone]

One day man

One day

Need to que caster melee more than ev

Melee cleave is making my brain rot

By melee cleave I mean ret war, haven’t played anything else this season

[rotund trellis]

OOOOOOF

[magic wing]

Kek

So bad for pvp

[open glacier]

boring

even more if nerfed

[river walrus]

Can't do much untill blizzard starts doing pvp specific tier sets

Otherwise, we keep getting fcked by PvE players

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-23813275

I got my wish

[boreal stone]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-gif-26042600

Bro is wishing for the worst tier set for arms

[rotund trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/slapass-blink182-gif-5052422

"there you go!"

• Blizzard

[lavish quest]

You know they aren't unnerfing crit right?

[teal hedge]

A solid -22 C this morning

The poor volvos car battery

[hot solstice]

do they add conquest chests in 10.2.5?

[rotund trellis]

they haven't said anything about it, so I guess not?

[elfin surge]

is that the tier set bonus that won?

[fleet egret]

Banger

https://youtu.be/_09hy0cg5VY

[lavish quest]

Yes

[elfin surge]

thats the one i voted for

[rotund trellis]

yes

[lavish quest]

Why?

[fleet egret]

Hey guys mm main here i'm searching for a general ideas how to play against arms?

[boreal stone]

skill issue

[fleet egret]

After reviewing on the statistics of the games i see a difficult matchups against a war.
Is there any better gameplay that i can adjust to play against war?
I wish i had disarm like sv but unforch my mm lack of such important utility to manage a better survivability
Thanks and appreciate.

[boreal stone]

go back to forum squad bozo

[fleet egret]

Man u guys the only plebs that can tell me the real stuff

[boreal stone]

dont get ur scatter bladestormed

save disengage for when they press charge

pet freedom if he leaps

use a pillar

tar trap root + steeltrap root + scatter + consecutive concussion slow

[fleet egret]

Good note sir 👍

@boreal stone in general how can i annoy you the most?

playing mm man u guys really sticking on my ass cheeks have no chance to cast aimed freely

[boreal stone]

ur te most annoying when u sit 40 ards, scatter stormbolts/charges, and generally just become unhittable

[fleet egret]

Dam now i understand why Kasu playing sniper shot adopting max range in shuff

Aight thanks for the insights bud cheers

[weary sapphire]

anybody got a tip to look for arms builds? looking for a 3v3 and rbg build, all guides are different

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/mouth-black-gif-25376493

Its fr real no cap it wins

[teal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-manager-tweakin-memes-dance-gif-17121578951030604631

What do they put in the water where you live

[fallen estuary]

Flouride

[teal hedge]

I bet you got the wildest flouride stare

[fallen estuary]

Oh you bet

I look like a skinwalker outside your window

Eyes wide open

[violet fossil]

unfortunately

figured s3 was best for pve too

[boreal stone]

My guide on YouTube has the build you’re looking for. Play hurricane in 3s only into pet classes, unhinged into pretty much everything else

[weary sapphire]

Tyvm sir, are you allowed to post your youtube link in here ? if not are you called Atake on youtube to ?

[boreal stone]

Atakez on YouTube, should pop up if you search arms warrior PVP guide

[weary sapphire]

[urban skiff]

Fury dead in S4

Yikes

Guess it's back to aug

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[violet fossil]

Thanks sir will check it out

[sleek wave]

when do we take fatality vs exhilarating blows?

[fallen estuary]

S2 fury set is here aaaaayyyyyy

[vivid flume]

Heyo~ Are there peoples who play fury in pvp? 🤔
Was checking the prio stats in guides like icy veins / wowhead, it say Versa > Haste > Mastery > Crit
Yet "high" ranking players have Versa > Mastery > Haste > Crit

And for talents build, some guides say "annihilator build" others say "RB build" so i'm kind of lost there

And curious about the Intervene, how is it used in pvp? 🤔
I don't play for "high" ranking, only for fun with a dk friend (2v2), wouldn't it be useless then? 🤔

[rotund trellis]

Versa > Mastery > Haste > Crit is stat priority

Annihilator is pure shit right now. Run raging bows

intervene gerally when enemy uses off cds. Often time used for mobility as well. In 2s it's a little bit trickier, cause you're most likely trying to kill the enemy healer

so losing connection is rough, but your teammate shoud kow that you have intervene and get closer if he needs peeling/intervene

[vivid flume]

Ok, thanks for your answers 🙂
Last question in case you know
Better have 2x conquest weapons?
Or 1x conquest weapon + 1x legendary? (since higher ilvl)

[rotund trellis]

2x legendaries LOL

legendary is BiS always (if you ave it). Main hand obviously

[vivid flume]

If only xD

Ok, i'll take only one weap then, thanks again for your answers 🙂
(btw it doesn't say "unique" on legendary, so maybe we can get 2 😛 )

[urban skiff]

Annie is FUN though

And top5 fury in SS is annie so

[teal hedge]

@violet fossil I had some united states food today

Dominos pizza

[violet fossil]

Im sure its way better in your country haha

[teal hedge]

Yeah they had a kebab pizza

With garlic sauce </3

[violet fossil]

do yall have kfc?

[vivid flume]

What is SS? 🤔

[urban skiff]

solo shuffle

[vivid flume]

Oh, ok, thanks 😄

[teal hedge]

Yes, it is so good