pvp

[grand scaffold]

idts imo

[digital arch]

I see yeah

trinkets?

[grand scaffold]

medallion

and the

[lavish quest]

Only about 1900 atm. But the other DPS has been experimenting a bit.
Me arms obvi, an Hpal, and then the 3rd has been testing how aff, destro, or havoc goes mainly. Technically tried ret too but that was a couple weeks ago, and just the once

[grand scaffold]

thats not bad

[grand scaffold]

dont play with a dh

that comp is fake news

lock warr fun tho

[lavish quest]

Think it's what we've been having the most luck with 😂

[digital arch]

that verdant is different from the other one?

the emblem i mean

[grand scaffold]

you dont want emblem

just those 2

the only time that trinket is viable is into rmp

[digital arch]

oh ok

[lavish quest]

War/DH we struggle with casters. Then when we go war lock we struggle with melee cleaves. My poor dude can't put out numbers while being dog piled even with all the safeguards I can give him

[grand scaffold]

yeah

tahts why i dont like the comp

[lavish quest]

Me pumping like 100k dps on top, him doing 30k lol

[grand scaffold]

dh has no peels and is unpeelable

yah

the only comp ive had success with is ret warr and lock warr

but the locks i play with are r1 so thats not a real statement

[lavish quest]

Well nah, I was war peeling for the lock. I can keep him alive for a while, but he struggles to get damage out

We haven't done DH lock, cause I pretty much only play warrior lol

[grand scaffold]

yeah lock has to be really good for that comp to work

cant work otherwise

[lavish quest]

Yeah, so haven't hard decided on anything, guy plays both his lock and DH. But DH war very well may be what we go with

And will just have to learn to cope with casters

[grand scaffold]

yeah

i mean

best advice i have

is when they pop their cds

and your'

s

arent rolling

just los them

aside from that itll be a rough time

[lavish quest]

Awaiting next ladder stimmy 😉

Jk jk

[grand scaffold]

😂

i think its weekly

[violet fossil]

do yall wallbreaker into avatar bladestorm

[grand scaffold]

my arms mmr gonna go hard when i decide to play shuffle again

[grand scaffold]

in the opener

bladestorm first

[violet fossil]

warbreaker*

[grand scaffold]

the thunderclap and set up your burst

then warbreaker roar

avatar

[violet fossil]

ah ok

[grand scaffold]

and continue rotation

aside from the opener i usually bladestorm after avatar

[violet fossil]

you’d want the str benefit first before your opener

[grand scaffold]

yah

but thats not necessarily why i do it

bc avatar gives you a bladestorm anyway

i just do it before bc it spreads deepwounds

prob a dumb reason tho

tbh

[grand scaffold]

but yeah basically

[violet fossil]

I’ve been just doing warbreaker into avatar/dragon roar

[grand scaffold]

i try to make it so that right when hurricane falls off i do avatar

so the 15% buff continues

[violet fossil]

then use bladestorm

ah ok

I keep calling it dragon roar

lol

[grand scaffold]

all g

i call it dragon roar too

thunderous roar sounds bizarre

[violet fossil]

Fr fr

I’m like tf is thunderous roar I don’t see it

[grand scaffold]

exactly

[violet fossil]

you know what’s bothersome

is you get all your bleeds going and mw just cleanses it off

[grand scaffold]

yeah

mw is a fruitty spec

[violet fossil]

i was doing epics for the weekly

my god lol

[grand scaffold]

exactly

[violet fossil]

I would get into nice juice grouped up people in ashran

get all bleeds going and

[grand scaffold]

bam

[violet fossil]

gone

[grand scaffold]

no bleeds

[violet fossil]

GDI

[grand scaffold]

exactly

[violet fossil]

this playstyle does kinda remind me of mop warrior tho

i kinda like arms rn

[grand scaffold]

arms is prob the most fun its ever been since legion

eh

bfa was fun too

tbh

but either way its pretty well designed atm

[violet fossil]

I didn’t like legion arms

the whole building up ms damage

[grand scaffold]

i liked it haha

ms hit like a truck

2x colossus smash

2 charges of mortal strike

execute caused a large bleed

[violet fossil]

fury was pretty fun though

[grand scaffold]

i didnt play it in legion lol

i liked it in wod tho

was very fun

[grand scaffold]

how did the dmg work

[violet fossil]

almost the same but you had wild strike which was off gcd

and odyns fury was fire damage

[grand scaffold]

dude

i thought it was for the entirety of dragonflight till a few days ago

ive not been using it during anti magic shell

[violet fossil]

furious slash* I mean

[grand scaffold]

🤦‍♂️

ah

[violet fossil]

lol

I thought it was fire damage for awhile too

but no just physical damage

also juggernaut stacked 99 times

hahaha

[grand scaffold]

lol thats crazy

[violet fossil]

I did not get to raid with it in antorus I hate myself for it

[grand scaffold]

i miss thirst for battle

that talent was so fun

[grand scaffold]

ive never raide

raided*

and thats one raid i wish i did

[violet fossil]

I didn’t PvP at all in legion

[grand scaffold]

oh ok

[violet fossil]

wish I did

xd

it was weird cause I’ve always just PvPd until legion

[grand scaffold]

ah

ive always just pvpd

[violet fossil]

you couldn’t buy PvP gear at some point right?

I forget why I didn’t PvP

[grand scaffold]

bfa

corny expansion just for that

rest was cool but that sucked

[violet fossil]

corny

ww in pve was really good too

[zenith light]

pvp noob here, is there any reason for arms to use rend instead of thunderclap for pvp

[grand scaffold]

hell no

thunderclap is the top G ability

its aoe rend

that can be applied with execute

[zenith light]

ok good lol. thanks

[grand scaffold]

np

[wheat jay]

ahh

just to annoy all of you

dh is fine

@mild thunder i wish survi was that good

[worldly snow]

Hey chat, how do you set up burst? I tend to do thunderclap > overpower X2 > colossus smash > sharpen blade > stun > roar > avatar > mortal strike > bladestorm but I'm not sure if I'm missing anything I should be adding, or if the prio is messed up

[wheat jay]

too much thinking

do this

[mild thunder]

it is

just rename yourself bicmex

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-them-we-ball-fuck-gif-14705938

[mild thunder]

actually even then, it’s not that good lol

[wheat jay]

xd

[worldly snow]

If we ball I get shredded for going too deep

[wheat jay]

i ball and i shred

you go ball and shred

you ain't shredding hard enough

[worldly snow]

Shit you must be right

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-them-we-ball-fuck-gif-14705938

thats all

you're a warrior

you should do this

https://tenor.com/view/noel-deyzel-gif-27591406

and ppl will jsut die

[violet fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/hwngvrs-hit-run-over-shopping-cart-hit-with-shopping-cart-gif-18952516

you see that cart

be that cart

that’s warrior

[mild thunder]

rdruid

[wheat jay]

same heal as always 😄

he's streaming games btw

anabolixtv

[boreal stone]

Dh

[wheat jay]

you remove the pet, you add the demon

easy

im gonna have to play some warr soon i guess

when they add conq boxes

to get elite set

[mild thunder]

nah

[wheat jay]

for this patch

yes

[mild thunder]

the only spec i’ve played that’s vaguely, VAGUELY, close to sv

is outlaw

[wheat jay]

why play the same shit when there's other fun stuff

survi is fun, but bad

[mild thunder]

high cc, semi-ranged, mid damage

[wheat jay]

warr is boring, but good

dh is fun, and good

[mild thunder]

feral is fun, but ass

and imma stick with it frfr

ww is my fotm spec… that i play every season

[grand scaffold]

🤨

its a less brain requiring fury

and thats hard to exist

[wheat jay]

jokes on you, compared to warr dh has some rotation xD

[wheat jay]

it aint fotm now tho

[grand scaffold]

how

its just use blade dance on cd

felblade

and throw glave spam

and if all else fails chaos strikes

[wheat jay]

jesus want me to give you whole rotation?

cuz there is a bit ;D

[grand scaffold]

bruh dh is ez

best beginner class

[wheat jay]

harder than warr

cuz there's more than 3 buttons

and there are some buffs to look at ;D

[grand scaffold]

i mean

[mild thunder]

it definitely is imo

[grand scaffold]

dh is 4 buttons

[mild thunder]

personally i don’t think ww is S tier, but it’s definitely jumped in popularity after being buffed

[grand scaffold]

ww is the best melee in the game besides sub rogue

lol

[mild thunder]

no lol

[grand scaffold]

what do you mean

[mild thunder]

also no

[grand scaffold]

skill issue

[wheat jay]

so is warr, dh just has to do press stuff in correct order to do dmg in 5s window

warr just slaps whenever

[mild thunder]

dh is like 9 rotational abilities

warrior has the two easiest specs in pvp

and then ret

[wheat jay]

like, ndogo my guy, have you played dh after the rework they got this patch?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its ez as shit

[mild thunder]

i’m just curious why you think ww is better than uhdk, dh or arms lol

[grand scaffold]

🤨

[mild thunder]

despite bringing a third of the utility

[grand scaffold]

its 10000000000% better than dh and uhdk

i got 3 r1 friends

and they all complain about that spec more than the rest

warr is atleast kitable

[wheat jay]

ww has one dmg window during serenity

warr is not kiteable, lets be real here

[grand scaffold]

dk doesnt do nearly the same amount of dmg as ww during burst

[grand scaffold]

what

[mild thunder]

so real

[wheat jay]

dk is basically ranged

warr is kiteable by arcane mage, maybe frost mage, done

[grand scaffold]

🤨

[mild thunder]

you know what the difference is, right?

genuinely answer

[grand scaffold]

do you

[wheat jay]

you need effort of 3 ppl on enemy team to kite warrior

[grand scaffold]

oh

so like

discord coms

in 3s

[wheat jay]

yep

[mild thunder]

the difference is specs like uhdk and arms have tons and tons of tools to mitigate cc in order to get that damage off

[wheat jay]

and guess what

[mild thunder]

if you’re dying to serenity, you’re bad lol

[wheat jay]

warr gets kited, other person still does dmg

enemy cant do dmg cuz they focus on kiting

[grand scaffold]

are you just bad at bursting or some shit

honest question

[wheat jay]

and even then you're only kitable after you're out of cooldowns and doing low dmg

[mild thunder]

serenity gets shut down in any game above 1600

[wheat jay]

so you lose basically nothing other than some 0 burst mortals

[mild thunder]

you have to be legit bad to die to serenity

[wheat jay]

played against a ww today

he did one combo

lasted 2s

MC on serenity, done

[mild thunder]

it’s a 12s window every 90 seconds

[wheat jay]

blur, done

dbts, done

anything, done

[grand scaffold]

dude you have a go every 40 sec

what are you on about

[mild thunder]

no reflect, no bladestorm, no and, no ibf

[grand scaffold]

ive lost hope

[mild thunder]

lol what

[grand scaffold]

gg

[wheat jay]

what's monk go every 40s?

[mild thunder]

ww is a constant damage spec bro

you don’t really rely on go’s at all, except to bait defensives and cc with serenity

[grand scaffold]

then by that logic arms is

[mild thunder]

yes it is

what

do you think arms is a burst spec

[grand scaffold]

i mean

im not killing people without cs

am i

[wheat jay]

this is monk dmg window

[wheat jay]

yes lol

[grand scaffold]

yall need some help fr

[mild thunder]

[grand scaffold]

peace

[mild thunder]

people need to realise it’s not SL

imagine thinking arms is a burst/go spec

[lavish quest]

We just durdle about until the enemy dcs

[boreal stone]

WW is broken

Warrior is not

thats the difference

WW is better in every way in a meta like this

U dont win with utility nearly as much anymore

[bright stream]

we playing different games?

[boreal stone]

u win with damage and # of defensives u can trade

[bright stream]

arms is excellent, and in every game

[boreal stone]

Arms is good

its not broken

learn to read

[bright stream]

I can read what you said

[boreal stone]

clearly not

[bright stream]

I was clearly implying you were wrong

WW is far from broken

[boreal stone]

HAHAHA

WW is probably top 2 melee atm

I dont see it being better than DH

but its 100% better than DK

[mild thunder]

it’s not “far” from broken, it’s pretty close to broken

but it’s not broken imo

it’s a top-tier spec, but idk if it’s really better than arms

from a 3s perspective

[boreal stone]

it is

[mild thunder]

(real pvp)

[boreal stone]

Walking dead is a better ret war

WW mage is also S tier

[mild thunder]

that’s not the only comp warr can play tho

[boreal stone]

WW destro is S tier

What comps are warriors playing rn?

turbo? fucking sucks

only reason theres a turbo is cuz saul is on team

[mild thunder]

you know as well as i do that arms slots in with virtually everything

[boreal stone]

doesnt mean the comps are good

[mild thunder]

but i do agree ww is a top melee dps rn

i just don’t necessarily think it’s THE top melee dps

[boreal stone]

its the 2nd

nothing is better than DH rn

[mild thunder]

i also don’t really think any spec in the game deserves to be nerfed u til they nerf rdruid

[boreal stone]

only problem i have with rdruid rn is heart of the wild atm tbh

[mild thunder]

eh

[boreal stone]

The nerfs are noticable in 3s 100%

[mild thunder]

also don’t agree with that

dh fell off ngl

[boreal stone]

That is giga cope

Im not counting sub rogue

in this melee discussion btw

[mild thunder]

dh is squishy and dies. almost every other melee in the game is tankier, excluding cats

[boreal stone]

theres like 2 ppl that can actually play sub rog rn

and completley abuse the spec

[wheat jay]

Oh someone talking about dh, time for me to slide in

In short, dh bad, please buff

[boreal stone]

LOL

fuckin idiot

[wheat jay]

Need +100% dmg to the hunt

[mild thunder]

stfu you’re gonna ruin the discussion

[wheat jay]

On a serious note

[lavish quest]

Artji fotm rerolled and isn't r1 yet, wth

[boreal stone]

artji fotm rerolled and can barely get duelist

sorry that was mean

[wheat jay]

Cuz I play like 5 games a week xd

[boreal stone]

i didnt mean that

[mild thunder]

@boreal stone all i’m saying is there’s a reason dh isn’t top-repped in high-end 3s anymore

[wheat jay]

For real tho, dh got nerfed like 5 times

[bright stream]

cool feature, dont want to know what mine says

[boreal stone]

Who here is doing high 3s gala?

[mild thunder]

shit, there’s more rets at the top end than dh lol

[lavish quest]

This is clearly due to DH being too big brain for us mere mortals

[boreal stone]

name one person, unironically

[bright stream]

probably no one, 3s is dead we shuffling now

[mild thunder]

never said there were, but to pretend it’s not indicative of what’s good/bad is silly

[boreal stone]

linking games played for classes that have 2+ specs

[boreal stone]

and compaing it to DH that has 1 thats in pvp

[wheat jay]

2200+ 3s, this includes ppl sitting tho

Hmmm @mild thunder

We might have been wrong

More ww than arms above 2400

3s

[mild thunder]

i never said dh was bad

if you say that, you’re wrong

[wheat jay]

It is what it is

[mild thunder]

i just don’t think it’s THE melee

[wheat jay]

Just looking at stats

[lavish quest]

Arms is trash, please boof

[boreal stone]

Ur entitled to ur own opinion

[wheat jay]

That's why I look at stats

[boreal stone]

Stats can be misinterpreted

[wheat jay]

Hard to gauge it properly due to rating sitters tho

[boreal stone]

as seen by ur posting of # of games played per class

[mild thunder]

i might agree that ww is better than arms tho

[mild thunder]

isn’t that what you posted?

[bright stream]

well considered stats >>> random individual opinions

[boreal stone]

I didnt?

[mild thunder]

i’m just going by no. of people on each spec in top 100

[boreal stone]

@mild thunder

[wheat jay]

Top 100 is too small tho

[mild thunder]

mb i thought you linked before that @boreal stone

going by games played is dumb tho

[boreal stone]

theres a reason there was 1 War in the entire WORLD that got r1 without a FW ret on his team

[mild thunder]

that just indicates what’s easy/fotm

[boreal stone]

last season

[mild thunder]

not what’s best

[bright stream]

how many people above 2400 for each spec? might still be a bit too small to get much out of

[boreal stone]

Arms isnt what it used to be

[mild thunder]

ok this is a bit too doomer

arms is still very good

[boreal stone]

Its not

[wheat jay]

560

[boreal stone]

ahh yes, i WLL be applying my rend and pressing bladestorm to do damage!

[wheat jay]

Arms is still good

[bright stream]

always a bit tricky, even comparing class popularity to games played gets you closer but not close enough to have high confidence imo

[boreal stone]

ahh yes,i LOVE this playstyle

very gun

fun

very enjoyable

[wheat jay]

Well, not fun, but good

Its boring as fuck

[mild thunder]

imo most melee dps are relatively close in power, with some extremes on either end

but overall i think they’re relatively balanced

[bright stream]

nah its hella fun/cool, sounds like you should reroll to some shit spec you think is OP

[wheat jay]

Roll dh

[boreal stone]

trash warriors like this playstyle

and thats a fact

[wheat jay]

We got anime and monster energy drinks

[mild thunder]

i’m not comparing either of those things, i’m looking at representation in the top 100, i.e. the best-performing specs at the top-end

[bright stream]

how many specs we got these days? that's probably over 15-20ish I'd guess, indicative maybe, but I wouldn't hang my hat on it

[mild thunder]

@boreal stone if you wanna complain about arms being cringe and unfun i am 100% with you. this is the worst iteration of spec design it’s ever seen imo

but it’s still a good spec

[boreal stone]

i agree

never said warrior was bad

just not what it used to be

[wheat jay]

Meanwhile dh got mad fun after rework xD

[mild thunder]

delete battlelord

[bright stream]

right, yeah my point was that that feels like a decent way to think about it but in practice it doesnt work when you consider it carefully - IE its hard to figure out.
Even the top 100 is too few players/characters, and doesn't take into consideration a few other factors.

[mild thunder]

rebuild the spec

[wheat jay]

How the tables have turned haha

Survi also is boring now

I wish blizz unnerfed cc

It was a dumb change

[mild thunder]

sv is only boring cause you’re so immobile now

[boreal stone]

MS should be on a 6 second CD always

no resets

no cringe shit

[wheat jay]

Immobile and dmg profile is ass

[mild thunder]

so based and true

[boreal stone]

sharpen should last 6 seconds as well

[wheat jay]

Ye

[boreal stone]

instead of Exhilirating blows

it should be mortal combo

fatal mark should be replaced by condemn

[mild thunder]

spear should be unnerfed

[bright stream]

mortal combo is excellent class fantasy, and condemn is top tier

[mild thunder]

you lost me

[boreal stone]

spear should be a 50 second CD again

[mild thunder]

i hate condemn

[wheat jay]

Also, my take, remove ms effetc from the game, allow some specs to have stuff like sharpen, at 25%, then tune dmg/healing accordingly

[boreal stone]

U hate condemn

[mild thunder]

condemn is horrible design imo

[bright stream]

garbage take, spear sucks for pvp

[boreal stone]

but its good for the class

unironically

theres so much armor in the game

[mild thunder]

hardcore disagree

[boreal stone]

i mean thats fair

[wheat jay]

Condemn is ass

[boreal stone]

u dont have to spec into it

[mild thunder]

there are other ways to deal with armor

[wheat jay]

Also, condemn is bad into rogues xD

[boreal stone]

sunder armor

would be goated

[wheat jay]

Sunder armor would be nice

[mild thunder]

condemn just overpowers the spec’s design and intent

[boreal stone]

fatal mark is also bad into rogues

[wheat jay]

Focused Rage?

[bright stream]

legit, condemn was/is just a pve fix to arms basically

[wheat jay]

Focused Rage was fun

[boreal stone]

Theres so many execute talents

[wheat jay]

Remove all the execute talents

[boreal stone]

that we just dont play

[wheat jay]

Make it hit harder

[boreal stone]

because we only execute at 25% or off a sudden death proc

[mild thunder]

spear was good for pvp. it’s a unique style of cc with reasonable counter play and reward

legit fine

[wheat jay]

Remove massacre, sudden death

Make it hit hard

[boreal stone]

with the current tree, condemn WOULD make sense

[wheat jay]

Buff EP to oblivion

[bright stream]

nah, the way its coded makes it completely unplayable with mid-high latency

people straight up walk out of it at 150ms

[mild thunder]

i never had an issue with it tbh. i had more issues with condemn charge

[boreal stone]

get better internet

BOZO

[mild thunder]

that’s usually just other stuff

not ping related

every spec in the game has a way to escape spear

[bright stream]

its the length of the cable not the connection/infra

[wheat jay]

I usually play at like 100ms

[bright stream]

no its the travel time, and server management of the spell in this case that I'm talking about

[wheat jay]

Sometimes higher

Rarely 60-80

Easy

[mild thunder]

oce you play between 80-120 usually

[boreal stone]

i love my 18 ms

life is good

[mild thunder]

it’s cringe, but it’s playable

[wheat jay]

And id clap you all at 150+

[bright stream]

based on where physically you are in the country, 80 is a weird number, kinda suggests far from syd for OCE or in syd for USW, but I hve a hard time believing in sydney you'd get 80ms to USW

[boreal stone]

alaska ping is wild too

have a couple friends that live there

[mild thunder]

i mean in arena

[bright stream]

occasionally americans have to play on OCE, and throw the most pathetic tantrums immaginable

[bright stream]

...

yes

[mild thunder]

i usually hover around 88?? in arena

thereabouts

[bright stream]

OCE servers for bliz are located in sydney, and the US servers we play on are configured to be USW

ping is an abstraction of physical distance, if you're connected to an OCE instance, the latency is based on the distance between your location and the server in sydney

it'll read in the 80s probably because when you join the number slowly increases from 20-40 (your latency to the sydney server) to 130-150 (your latency to USW) because the way its calculated uses an average over a period of time

the value will be different at the end of the arena than at the start, the value at the end is closer to the real value

[rotund trellis]

guys Monster Hunter World is the best chill out game in between the rounds

[bright stream]

great game, solid choice cas

what weapon you rockin?

[rotund trellis]

I am playing with Gunlance and shield right now

but I'm a mega noob

[mild thunder]

ghostrunner

10/10 game, best game for vibing and staying stimulated

[fallen estuary]

I have a xbox 360 with a soundbar i play between rounds

[rotund trellis]

I love ghostrunner

I also finished Turbo Overkill, highly recommended

Currently on Skyrim on the deck, Elden Ring (trying to finish it), Monster Hunter.

[lucid walrus]

3s in armored core is quickly catching my attention

[rotund trellis]

dog AC^ is a mastwerpiece

I'm at NG++

[lucid walrus]

that route is really really fun

some serious wall missions at times though

[mild thunder]

i’m gonna play through on hardcore mode next

[rotund trellis]

you're insane

[boreal stone]

Hammer is the way in MHW

[mild thunder]

it’s absurdly fun

[rotund trellis]

you made me want to reinstall. damn it

[bright stream]

LS/SnB

just wish SnB did more without items

[mild thunder]

my brain like when thing go fast

[rotund trellis]

I am stil exploring the various weapons. Each one is fun so far, except the big sword. It's too slow and cunky for me

[boreal stone]

Greatsword feels so bad

but its cool in its own way

[bright stream]

was never a big fan of this one either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHYimvX8gYs

and some LS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUuB6hGbhJ8

[boreal stone]

Hammer is like perma bladestorm

but u like mortal strike too

its so fun

LS looks fun as fuck too

same with insect glaive

tbh

[bright stream]

yeah insect glaive is sick as well

LS is like its own game, having a 'counter'/dodge move

[boreal stone]

it gets like i frames right

[bright stream]

there's basically nothing that gives you the same high as countering/dodging some big fuck off move

[boreal stone]

on the back lunge attack

[bright stream]

yeah

[rotund trellis]

I'm actually trying the glaive now for the first time

[boreal stone]

havnt played since Iceborne came out

been a minute

[bright stream]

oh man

iceborne is extremely good

[boreal stone]

I played a lil bit of it

[bright stream]

I didn't finish everything of it, got sidetracked with other shit

but goddamn its good

[boreal stone]

it was my main game before I picke dup wow

[bright stream]

I've had too many main games

I got old

[boreal stone]

I started wow almost exactly 3 years ago

[bright stream]

hon, dota2, wow, overwatch, battlefield 2

[boreal stone]

crazy to think ab

[bright stream]

probably more if I think about it longer

about halfway through 4.3 for me

12ish years now?

[boreal stone]

jeeez

[bright stream]

I was studying for a about 5-6 years in that though

which is where I put most of my serious hours in

like this year all I've done is SS basically, mostly while WFH

true story, wow was a part of my job for a couple of years haha

[boreal stone]

I quit shuffle after last season

was really annoyed at being in r1 range the entire season then ending up missing arms cutoff by 4 points

[bright stream]

oh yeah fuck that

I quit 3s and came back for shuffle

[boreal stone]

now that ive quit shuffle

my mental has significantly improved

life is good

[bright stream]

I played like, my first serious season at the end of Slands since my homies bailed on the game - and in the last few days/the week before end of season the healer I playing with lost his mind and went all big ego, decided I wasn't good enough. Replaced me with someone on the same class who was 300 points above us, and then watched them tank to below duelist over the last week, at the end of which the new guy was like, yea nah - you're the problem @ the healer.

it was nuts to find people before SS killed 3s, can't be bothered with that shit anymore

[boreal stone]

I got hit up by a ret in dms last season, been playing with him ever since. kinda just taking w/e healer we can get in lfg

been mostly playing with various pres vokers

kinda fyarming ngl

70% win rate at 2.4 mmr

[thick reef]

.

[teal hedge]

Oh shit

@mild thunder I just realised, Tanda is missing

[lean burrow]

how can you bladestorm with a hammer?

[mild thunder]

perma’d

i couldn’t save him

i had leverage enough only for myself

[teal hedge]

No shot? How come

[mild thunder]

he was saying dumb shit

[violet fossil]

oh damn he got banned? lol

[grand scaffold]

oscillation storm

smack him with a hammer on one side

and swap rotation to hit him on the other side

😂

[manic needle]

hey guys, what's the order for pvp stuff? weapon or 4pc first?

[grand scaffold]

4 set

i dont even have a conquest weapon

[thin relic]

Have a question, im undead arms in pvp. Can i set up a macro to have my trinket and will of the forsaken on the same button, but use if only under the effects of a set of debuffs for that specific cd

[manic needle]

Thanks man @grand scaffold

[mild thunder]

weapon

weapon is absolutely massive for warrior

realistically tho you just go for weapon from conq vendor and 4pc from trophy of strife gear

if you’re fury, your offhand weapon is not very high prio

[boreal stone]

https://tenor.com/view/tigrex-mhw-monster-hunter-world-gif-22014346

[cosmic vapor]

[urban skiff]

nop

[urban skiff]

I guess if you can't play gunlance, hammer is the next best unga bunga

[grand scaffold]

I miss when rampage would hit hard

😭

[urban skiff]

Denise Richards confirmed fury

dualwielding 2h

[grand scaffold]

wdym

i thought we can already do that

[brazen citrus]

need arms to be ww tier

[grand scaffold]

imagine if it was

would be amazing

[urban skiff]

Nothing clunky about being able to tackle through bigass attacks without getting knocked around

[fickle forge]

No

Fury stay unviable 🙏

[grand scaffold]

games not that bad when furys viable tho

its terrible when aug is good tho

that spec needs to stay burried

[fickle forge]

Stop

Game is def bad when fury is viable

Cause it means it's overtuned

Only time fury is ever good is when it stat checks every other spec

[urban skiff]

or that arms is undertuned

[brazen citrus]

games bad when black out kick does ms damage

[river walrus]

Game is bad when sub rogue can one shot you, cc you out of game and is unkillable

[grand scaffold]

that shit is terrible

250k black out kick

[fickle forge]

Just win, you're arms 🙏

[river walrus]

Lol

[grand scaffold]

what do you play these days btw

[fickle forge]

Arms

[grand scaffold]

oh alr

[atomic orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/arm-pump-gif-22012416

[wheat jay]

Same as ms then

[grand scaffold]

bro

ms doesnt hit that hard

unless you have 0 vers

and then 2 op 2 ep cs avatar hurricane

[wheat jay]

Ok they dont hit 250k every global either

So what's the difference then?

Both are rotational abilities

That can hit up to 250k

[grand scaffold]

when you see a mortal strike

hit for 250k

send me a screenshot

plz

[grand scaffold]

thats crazy fr

how did you get it to hit so hard

highest ive hit is around 200k

[boreal stone]

its a mage

roar debuff

[grand scaffold]

ooooooooooooooooooooh

[boreal stone]

hurricane stacks

[grand scaffold]

i havent been lucky enough to hit something like that

lol

[boreal stone]

this is the sad reality of arms warrior rn tho

[grand scaffold]

yup

thats more like it

[elfin surge]

[grand scaffold]

have you hit a mortal strike at over 210k?

[elfin surge]

no i hit for 200k max crits

[grand scaffold]

yeah same

i dont hit higher than that

[boreal stone]

if im getting what ur putting down

i got the bigger MS crit schlong @elfin surge

[elfin surge]

bro i was hitting harder mortal strikes in shadowlands

[boreal stone]

yeah i fuckin bet budd

[mild thunder]

stop living in the past

[boreal stone]

330 thou to the dome

[elfin surge]

ego ^^^^

[atomic orchid]

Stop bringing up SL. It was garbanzo

[boreal stone]

DH is my kryponite

fucking demonic

how awful all of them are

especially fuse

fuck that guy

[brazen citrus]

ive hit for 230ish this seas

[elfin surge]

we get it @boreal stone you take 2s very seriously

[boreal stone]

i do man

with lfg

[elfin surge]

yeah im higher than u and i q with 1600cr healers

get fuuucked

[boreal stone]

im 2300...

[elfin surge]

same...

[boreal stone]

sher

man

[mild thunder]

you queue with rdruids

ngl 1600 rdruid >>> 2k anything else

[elfin surge]

my 1600cr lfg rdruid tbags u

free pointos

[mild thunder]

carried by lfg healers

i miss 2020 mud

[elfin surge]

[quasi pollen]

Yo, who tested new legendary in pvp?

Good/bad?

[steep cairn]

Does the ilvl get nerfed in pvp? Does the on-use get nerfed as well? Idk

[violet fossil]

The on-use is nerfed by like 70% in PvP

ilvl is not nerfed

[boreal stone]

the dot is pretty good

on use, not so much

[fallen estuary]

Leg still good for that ilvl

Cant wait for mine to fucking drop

[glass lance]

does gem quality matter on pvp gear?

[boreal stone]

Yes

[fallen estuary]

it adds a 0.1% maybe you wont die value to your survivability

[pseudo jungle]

For arms how often are yall using whirl wind in a 3s situation

[teal hedge]

Pretty sure never?

[pseudo jungle]

okay so im not jacked up

jsut a commment recieved lol

[violet fossil]

never

[violet fossil]

who tf told you that lol

[mild thunder]

the only time you ever press ww as arms is if you’re running to or away someone and want to dump rage for anger management

or sniping stealthies

[rotund trellis]

Guys. The Kinsect Glaive is just the best. Having the best time.

[mild thunder]

the what

[rotund trellis]

Monster hunter, the dual sword with the insect you can shoot

[lean burrow]

blizz allows players to vote what transmog from S1-S3 they want for their class tier set

that means it's the first ever case when elite sets from previous seasons might come back

[marble glade]

give CB a try, it's pretty fun too

[mild thunder]

curious how they handle this

i would love the chance to get s1 hunter elite mog

and lock

and dk

quite a few tbh

it would probably be a balancing nightmare, but i think it’d be really cool to just let people use whatever set bonus they want

mix-and-match different 2pc bonuses

[fallen estuary]

Tfw recolors might be bound for new elite sets

Forums crashed lmao

[ruby heron]

Can we choose more than 1 spec/class' set bonus? Anyone try it? If it's possible @mild thunder can you make us a chart for what is the worst tier set bonus for every other fucking class so we can vote them

[fallen estuary]

S1 hands down the best

Idk why youre asking the hunter main about warrior sets

[mild thunder]

he didn’t lol

he asked for the worst non-warrior sets

[fallen estuary]

i didnt read tbh lmao

[mild thunder]

also the only reason you remember the s1 set being best for arms is because 1. it was unnerfed and 2. crit was 175%

[fallen estuary]

well s1 was fun asf for warriors as well

when your only damaging ability was the hard hitter it was fun

[mild thunder]

eh, it had the same boring rotation, stuff just died faster

[fallen estuary]

s1 was fun till the rettaning happened

[mild thunder]

all the seasons have been mostly fun imo

[fallen estuary]

s2 and s3 are caster metas and are absolutely mental

[mild thunder]

ret 10.0.7 was cringe and aug 10.1.5 was cringe but aug meta was eventually fine

[fallen estuary]

theyre not fun unless youre a select few classes

[mild thunder]

is s3 a caster meta or is it a sub rogue meta or is it a ww meta

[fallen estuary]

its a full caster class meta and throw in sub n DH

300k tick ROF into 400k frost bomb

insane dot damage by druids and SP's just not dying

[mild thunder]

because once again, caster is less popular than melee

[fallen estuary]

just cause populations low doesnt mean the 1 mage in the fuckin lobby should 100-0 you in 1 global lmao

[mild thunder]

just reflect kekw

also shuffle

[fallen estuary]

oops he fake casted frost bomb into a ice lance to eat the SR

dies anyway

whomp whomp

[mild thunder]

caster meta

[fallen estuary]

see that number for hunters

yea you blame your local alter time discord resident for that

keeping you oppressed with their ice lances and frost bombs

[mild thunder]

what lol

hunter does exceptionally well into mage

[fallen estuary]

but that population size, hunters clearly oppressed

lets give you a 90% increased aimed shot buff

kill those mages will ya

[mild thunder]

bm is mid-rep which is whatever and sv will be low repped no matter what

but idgaf about other hunter specs

i’m a sv main not a hunter main

[fallen estuary]

well have a 50% buff to your battery acid bomb or whatever tf you survival hunters rip out your asses and throw at people

kill those mages

[mild thunder]

unless sv is literally absurdly overtuned (like it was in SL s3/4), it’ll never be a top rep spec

it took bombs ticking for 20% of someone’s hp for it to become a popular spec lol

[fallen estuary]

i remember when MS did that kind of damage 🥹

[elfin surge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AlluringSmilingNightingaleJebaited-Yx7M7joOU-kqk21K

[urban skiff]

Guys, what do we vote for fury s4?

I feel like S3 is the only option. S2 did weird things to BT rotations while S3 set lets us choose between annie and RB

[boreal stone]

S2 tier was the best for fury by far

unless u enjoy BT/BB

then vote season 3

[fickle forge]

Lock and frost mage are basically the only meta casters
Deva and boomy work in specific comps

[urban skiff]

BT BB feels way better

[lean burrow]

how come dks always get good shit?

[violet fossil]

s1 was eh

s2 was okay

S3 I coom

[fallen estuary]

Theyre 100% gonna make a pvp recolor for s4 of chosen set bonus

Choose s2 warrior or s1 warrior but tbh i want s2 for them to make a black and red cool looking s2 set

Like juggernaut armor from legion

[honest sundial]

buff mage

[ruby temple]

I want them to choose s1 for DK so I can hopefully get an elite version that set for my dk. I love that set. I like season 1 and 2 for warrior so would be happy with recolors for either

But tbh they should just do recolors of all 3 sets and let us pick what sets we want to work towards. I'd push 1800 on two warriors for a recolor of season 1/2 tier

[wheat jay]

Lmao they wont

[mint pulsar]

why are we just accepting this poor design by blizzard to re-use old models and bonuses? we pay for this game, we pay for them to keep it updated. Not for them to show how fcking lazy they are and obviously not care any more

dead game and im mad yes

[sage raptor]

wtf are female orcs?

[wheat jay]

Lmao, would you rather do nothing while they develop 11.0?

Or have some filler content that might be fun?

[mint pulsar]

I would like them to actually develop something for season 4. I dont think thats unreasonable

season 4 is always a filler, but re-using old stuff is lazy, my opinion

[knotty atlas]

The best mog options, that's what they are.

[knotty atlas]

They are also re-using old m+ dungeons and it's a blast.

[wheat jay]

+1

I thought itd be boring but old dungeons with current class design is mad fun

[knotty atlas]

Jeah, true.

Are they also doing the same thing for PvP?
Bringing back old arenas/game modes?

[wheat jay]

Lol no

They removed sota some years ago

Pvp is a minigame

[knotty atlas]

Would there be any that you guys think should be brought back?

Even if it's just a specific arena etc?

[sage raptor]

Some older versions of a couple arenas would be nice. The names escape me atm.

[sage raptor]

You're stinky

[knotty atlas]

Fight me.

[sage raptor]

If I could, I would

[wheat jay]

There arent many

[knotty atlas]

That's a loser excuse.

[wheat jay]

And there's not too many incentives to make unique arenas

Look at mugambala, its ass

[sage raptor]

Remember the zerith mortis arena announcement?

[knotty atlas]

I got no idea what that is.
Wouldn't it be sick if arena had some "affixes" that happen randomly?
E.g random zone appears, get in there and do 20% more damage, but also take 30% more damage.
Or..stuff you need to dodge or idk.

Would spice things up and give you guys something else to collaboratively hate instead of mages.

[sage raptor]

Everything new they do goes to a brawl :/

Getting rid of the arena rotation would be sick

[knotty atlas]

I liked the TBC arena that had the bridge in the middle.

Mind-controlling people off it and killing their teammate was fun.

[sage raptor]

Actually

An arena with hazards could be fun if you give everyone a knockback with an X long cd. All other knockbacks don't work. Like Lumber Mill in that one battleground. I thought it would be so cool if you could knock people into it.

Like that one junkyard boss mechanic but in arena

Kinda

[knotty atlas]

Ya,using environment could be fun.

[sage raptor]

Spit balling is all

Something is better than nothing lol

Imagine the shark in that bfa arena do something

I think it'd be fun. There's so much room for creativity.

[wheat jay]

Its still there, just reworked

[knotty atlas]

[wheat jay]

Problem with all the arenas that change something, is that they favour melee, and favour rmp

Due to pressure of being melee, or due to rmp being rmp

Initial idea of the arena from 9.2 was that it would change

But it would just make rmp have 100% winrate there

[knotty atlas]

What about random "power-ups" that need to be picked up and spawn randomly?

"Immune to next CC".

[sage raptor]

The bg power ups in arena

[knotty atlas]

Or some stuff like that.

[wheat jay]

You introduce an outside influence to an already volatile environment

[wheat jay]

Immune to cc chaos bolting lock, yep nice

[knotty atlas]

Well, i'm working on this premises.

[wheat jay]

Or unstoppable ray of Frost

Ye i get you, but pvp is too volatile to add more things like that imo

[sage raptor]

A power up that removes pvp modifiers

[wheat jay]

Would be busted beyond any human recognition

[sage raptor]

It would be so fun

Which is what its about really

[wheat jay]

Also, problem with those things is that people would want stuff that just suits their class/spec

Stop wanting to be broken, strive for balance

[sage raptor]

Balanced games are boring tho

[knotty atlas]

There's no way they are ever balancing anything.
Way too many classes/variations/combos.

[wheat jay]

Anyone saying they want a buff or whatever is either trolling or just stupid

[wheat jay]

Precisely, so adding even more variables would just result in more chaos

[knotty atlas]

So what would you propose to making arenas more..appealing?

[wheat jay]

Not having to grind 5k conquest would be a good start

[sage raptor]

I think you're thinking too much on the arena part and not the throw away season part.

[knotty atlas]

Explain.

[sage raptor]

That's an expansion feature

[knotty atlas]

Is it some PvP gear requirement?

[sage raptor]

Mwahi do you pvp without pvp gear?

[knotty atlas]

Yes.

I PvP with my PvE gear.

[sage raptor]

Interesting

Yes conquest is used to buy the gear

[knotty atlas]

Look at this big boy.

[sage raptor]

Those are definitely some stats >.>

[knotty atlas]

[sage raptor]

1.3m health but for arms/fury ty

[knotty atlas]

Naa, tbf PvP is a huge-huge "mini-game" for me. I don't take it too seriously.
So i'm not sure what's with the "pvp gear".

Is it just heavy on vers?

[sage raptor]

Yeah

And also ofc it scales up

[knotty atlas]

I just roll in and hope that my class knowledge helps me win.

[sage raptor]

Before this season, pvping was the fastest way to gear for mythics if you could stomach it.

[wheat jay]

Heavy vers, max ilvl

Basically with vs without pvp set is like 23ilvl

[knotty atlas]

Ah, okay.

[wheat jay]

And you know how much of a diff it makes in pve

In pvp its also defensive aspect of vers

[sage raptor]

16% vers lol

Just noticed

[knotty atlas]

I feel like the biggest issue with me and PvP is that it's not fun to do it alone. It's the same concern i have with m+.
Pugging m+? - No ty.
doing m+ with a group of friends? - Hell jeah.

[knotty atlas]

Where does the PvP gear leave you at with Vers?

[sage raptor]

I think a little over 30%

[knotty atlas]

Vers is a weakling stat.

Crit or bust.

( i know, i know crit is bad in pvP).

[sage raptor]

But normally you craft stuff too so you have more haste if you need it.

Sometimes you gotta go all in on the meme

In SL, you could get pvp gear without vers from the vault.

I had an alt with a full set of pvp gear and no vers.

Minus the weapon

[wheat jay]

That's what shuffle is for tho

You dont have insta queue for m+

[lusty moth]

voting for season 3 mog to better gatekeep elite mogs

[wheat jay]

Real and true haha

[mild thunder]

so true bro

i don’t understand the appeal of solo gaming in wow

[knotty atlas]

No,i mean,no one from my friendslist is even remotely interested in pvp.

So,even if i'm dabbling in it from time to time,i will not stick to it cause no one to queue with.

[knotty atlas]

Je,this.

[wheat jay]

Few of my guildies do shuffle for 1800

That's all

Its just a dead game mode

In an old game, with terrible skill floor requirement

And crazy high ceiling

Noone in their sane mind wants to learn how to play every comp, how each skill works, how CC, dr, kiting, peeling etc works

Its just not worth the effort so noone plays it

[mild thunder]

are you NA?

[wheat jay]

Mwahi is eu

[knotty atlas]

EU.

[wheat jay]

Speaking of, @knotty atlas want those 3s for Elite set?

[mild thunder]

rip

i’d legit pvp with you

[knotty atlas]

Je, but it's like ..i'd still enjoy PvP if i had a few friends to PvP with.

[mild thunder]

if you were NA… and didn’t play tank

[knotty atlas]

Just cause the laughs etc.

Even if not super hardcore.

[wheat jay]

I'm a pvp casual and @fickle forge expects me to tryhard ehhh

Fuck you @fickle forge

[knotty atlas]

Elite set is 1800?

[mild thunder]

fuck you @fickle forge

[knotty atlas]

What does it even look like?

[mild thunder]

bad

ugly

icky

gross

yuck

[knotty atlas]

[mild thunder]

you want good mogs? play dk

or lock

10/10 every time

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yip-yap-and-yop-yip-and-yap-gif-5694362464614703962

[mild ember]

What season tier set is everyone going to vote for?

[mild thunder]

bonus or mog?

[mild ember]

Bonus.

Season 3 is super nice in rbgs.

[mild thunder]

imo you should probably vote s3 for arms and fury

people have rose tinted glasses for s1

[mild ember]

Maybe if crit wasn't nerfed. (Oh how I wish it wasnt)

[mild thunder]

s1 had better crit and the tier set was unnerfed

so yes it was stronger, but all tier sets were stronger

if it comes back, it’ll suck

5% mortal strike crit dmg lol

[mild ember]

Spreading rend with all my executes is awesome.

[wheat jay]

S1 set was the best imo

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge do I even bother getting 1800 on warr?

Elite set is ass

Uglier than mythic

And I have Elite from legion anyway

[fickle forge]

Don't know bro, you're just a casual, do what you want to do

[wheat jay]

Hmmm

Casual with 100% 2s winrate

Ez get fukd

[magic wing]

This

Sad I didnt get the axe with it

[thick reef]

Hi guys!
I'm just happy to be here
Love Warriors and wish everyone BIG crits 💪🏻

[wheat jay]

[fickle forge]

DH yip yap

[wheat jay]

Im doing double the dmg of other demon hunters tho