pvp

[grand scaffold]

just better

[lavish quest]

I dunno, I smack around 2100 (can't be bothered to really queue so not going far with my 1-2 lobbies a week.) Feels the same lol

[urban skiff]

Recognize the hours that the "exhausted dads just returned from work and trying to get a few games in before the kids and wife demands full attention" play and hit that window.

[lavish quest]

Maybe towards end of season I'll bother to get 2400

[urban skiff]

same, but 1600

[mystic barn]

Is wow good yet

[urban skiff]

Wow is as good as your ability to have a positive outlook on life.

[mystic barn]

@mild thunder

My life doesn’t have static rn

[gaunt dune]

Is it normal to receive so much damage in SS from locks?

[ruby temple]

Same I can't be fucked to push solo. If all you care about is the armor just get 1600 on two warriors and use the tokens on helm/shoulders 🙂

[ruby temple]

To add to this though I find Saturday morning around 11-2 est is a great time to push. A good mix of people who are all at least trying to win and good enough to carry to a win

[urban skiff]

I've been sick for one week and on my 2nd week of holiday. Time has lost all meaning, the idea of going back to work is nauseating.

I have no idea when to play anymore so I just log in and stare at the queue button

[ruby temple]

Also, if you guys want better lobbies gas people up say shit like "we got this team" and when people load into your team compliment them whether they were on your team or not "damn demon hunter your damage was nutty last game (even though he probably sucked)"

And when they argue say "were on the same team brothers we got this" guaranteed win

[urban skiff]

Oh that's one of my favorite tricks

My other favorite trick is if I start out playing with a rogue i'll fuck over his stun DRs so hard to the point where he's just an unbridled rage ball. 100% guaranteed he's going to spend the next 4 matches hyper focused on me entirely

80% of winning shuffle at low ratings is knowing when to troll

[ruby temple]

Yeah all it takes is getting a funny polymorph spell reflect to tilt a mage for every round against you

[urban skiff]

hahahaha

yeah

[ruby temple]

My favorite is rooting druids on their leap with the piercing howl pvp talent. They always stand their super confused

[elfin surge]

[urban skiff]

Bwahaha

I feel like fury is all about trolling

just spam hamstring on the druid and watch him flip his shit trying to powershift every global

100% of the fun in shuffle is below 1600 where everyone's just a bit dumb

[ruby temple]

Above 1800 people aren't better but they are infinitely saltier

Well until above 2100 I assume those people are but again can't be fucked to sit in queues for 40 minutes after armor

[lavish quest]

Solo shuffle has nothing to do with it.
Locks very much have everything to do with it.

[lavish quest]

Mud jams out to listening about 1600 and lower lobbies? 😮

[elfin surge]

ya

[grand scaffold]

fury is dogshit

i cant stand the spec anymore

ive retired until buffs

i fr cant do anything to survive

and when i try i do 0 dmg

😦

[violet fossil]

only fun in bgs

[urban skiff]

have you tried tanking rating to 1400 and just being immortal?

[grand scaffold]

😂

nah

[last mauve]

Hi mates ! Any SMF defenders here ?

[grand scaffold]

nope

trash talents

not worth 2 talent points

TG FTW

only justification for smf is when you are gearing and dont want to spend 3600 conq on weapons

aside from that no point

and even then

you get forced into an annihilator build without execute

😐

[last mauve]

hmm

did someone try to push with SMF ?

maybe one mad warrior tried ?

[fallen estuary]

Well i think kydrav said he hit 2100 last season with smf. Its actually not bad if you go anni build with it. You attack as fast as a DH

The only reason to rock smf is to swag stanky leg on people

[grand scaffold]

interesting

[lavish quest]

SMF passive should just read "Can transmog two-handers into one-handers."

Bam, fixed forever

Blizz pay me. Tenks

[grand scaffold]

the last 3-4 solo shuffles at 1600

i have gone 3-3 bc of healer gaps

-_-

[lavish quest]

Man was posting 2400 pics the other day, now hard stuck 1600. Feelsbadman

[grand scaffold]

nah im on my rogue

😂

[gaunt dune]

I was about to reach 1700, I stagnate until I go down to 1500, I don't understand this shit, I win 4/6 or 6/6 and then I enter a shitty lobby that returns me to 1600 or worse...

[grand scaffold]

you playing arms?

[gaunt dune]

ye

[grand scaffold]

post build

[gaunt dune]

Caster lobbies are big shit or with hunters

[lavish quest]

Arms is F-tier and needs boofed. Change my mind.
I ran the numbers, trust

[grand scaffold]

remove mortal combo

get fbv

might help for time being

rest is ok

pvp talnets?

[lavish quest]

How do you cope with casters?

[gaunt dune]

roars, blade and bladestorm in pvp

[craggy igloo]

can't climb at all in shuffle this season on warr, am i washed

[elfin surge]

ppl stressin too much ab shuffle

[steep cairn]

What is the “mortal combo” talent are you referring to

[grand scaffold]

mortal strike resets itself

its next to strength of arms

[steep cairn]

👍🏻Yeah seems like no one is taking exhilarating blows anymore

I’m always between fast footwork and frothing berserker too. What do you prefer? With the cloak/bracer enchants 11% speed seems good

[grand scaffold]

mb i was thinking about the conduit from shadowlands

😂

[grand scaffold]

i dont drop frothing berserker ever tbh

[gaunt dune]

I was looking for a long time for that "mortal combo" and eU, I am Spanish speaking, so I was looking for a long time for that talent, I only found the SL channel XD

SL condc

[grand scaffold]

😂

[gaunt dune]

But what is fbv?

[craggy igloo]

i got no one to play with bro its the only bracket i can push

got like 200 people on btags that i've found in lfg and nobody ever wants to play

[gaunt dune]

The truth is, I think I should give up, with my main dk I am between 1950 and 2000. When I reach 2000 or 2030 they return me to 1950 or lower, with the war as soon as I reach 1700 they lower me to 1600, today has been my worst day , with my war I am already at 1500

[steep cairn]

Fueled by Violence

[gaunt dune]

Maybe I have a skill problem.

[gaunt dune]

Ty

And maybe I should stop being a damn clicker.

[fallen estuary]

Rip double mortal strike fron sl 😔

[gaunt dune]

Hhahaha

[grand scaffold]

fueled by violence

[gaunt dune]

XD

[grand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-peace-i-want-problems-always-choose-violence-no-peace-problems-gif-24342946

[gaunt dune]

That's what I tell my best friend, but I think it's time to give up.

[grand scaffold]

😂

[gaunt dune]

Stuck at 1600 with war and stuck at 2k with dk, it's been a very stressful week

[grand scaffold]

i mean what are you struggling into

[lavish quest]

We have no friends, but we have shuffle

[gaunt dune]

Generally the worst lobbies for me are against double casters or ranges, the balance druid makes empanadas with me, the mage too and when they don't make empanadas with me they do it to my partner

The worst thing is that most of the lobbies are vs casters, sometimes I'm afraid of leaving a pillar because it rains on me from everything

Even as a dk, exerting a lot of pressure, I can't advance in those lobbies

[gaunt dune]

We have made many friends in the ss

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[gaunt dune]

XD

[lavish quest]

I dunno about you, but I have made no friends in shuffle. Some haters with rage boners, sure

[lean burrow]

should I spend excess rage on tclaps or just press overpower if everyone is already rended?

[lavish quest]

OP for ST dmg. TC if you trying to spend more rage for CDR

[lean burrow]

yeah just spending rage between goes

thx

[mild thunder]

QCPoop

[lavish quest]

Well OP doesn't spend rage. But does more dam to your target, so good luck child, be free

[pure hornet]

Just keep at it
I got from 1600 to 1830 and never going under 1800
Xcept frost mage and some dh, or feral, should go smooth

I went high haste like mud , and i free ratjng ever since

Got*

[gaunt dune]

Hmmm I don't know, the truth is I have doubts about my goals, I want 2100 for the ilusion with my main and 1800 in my war for the elite set, however I don't think I'm going to achieve it

[lavish quest]

Push like you're constipated

🫡

[gaunt dune]

XD

[violet fossil]

how come crushing blows goes off after i press rampage

just goes off by itself

[boreal stone]

Real

Haven’t qued a single shuffle on warrior

Never been happier in life

[boreal stone]

Are you looking at trufigcd? If ur playing the talent, rampage can reset raging/crushing blow and cause the gcd tracker to bug

[gaunt dune]

At this point, I will lose my liver XD

[glass roost]

So if I just do SS really, is the play arms still? I have leggo and will likely just run that even though idk if it is that strong in arenas

[violet fossil]

that an add on?

nah it was actually just going off haha

[lavish quest]

Yes use leggo. And yes play arms.

[kind edge]

What 3s comps are doing okay atm besides ret war.

[steep cairn]

If I want to recraft my helm to get different stats will I lose my gem slot?

And do I need another spark to change stats or just the other missive and do a personal order

[past jolt]

I’m playing fury for the challenge of getting elite with it, it’s a tough one

2200 is where I’m at atm and it feels like I’ll need to get pretty lucky string of sp dk lobbies to get 2400

[grand scaffold]

im hit 2392

then back to 2300

im temporarily retired until buffs come

[urban skiff]

You're probably consuming it with BT

[bleak sable]

Best 3rd to push 3’s with Arms/Resto Druid?

[lean burrow]

guys I started healing shuffles

why are you all leaping behind pillars?

[lavish quest]

Damage

[fallen estuary]

Crack

[lavish quest]

I mean, what do you want from us? They haven't given us the warrior buff that let's us hit through walls yet, so... we do what we must

[violet fossil]

nope just goes off by itself

consumes a charge too

[bright stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrkKmrmCbsg
honestly better than I thought, but still some disappointing/over simplified takes

[river walrus]

They need to unnerf reckless abandon. It used to buff your next 2-3 bt and raging blow if I am not mistaken. They could also buff slaughterhouse or give us bladestorm back lol

I wouldn't go as far as to say bring back SL charge build into crushing blow but boy I loved that hahaha

[latent pilot]

Hello fellow Warriors, the stats are Mastery,vers,haste (20%)

[rotund trellis]

???

[fallen estuary]

those are stats

[lean burrow]

isn't our tier set kinda anti-synergy with our rotation?

since sudden death doesn't reduce cd on warbreaker

am I missing something?

[latent pilot]

For Pvp the stat priority

[rotund trellis]

there's a pin I think, but currently vers > haste > mast

[fallen estuary]

yea they fixed something with ignore pain giving AM procs

so exe doesnt give any AM reductions anymore from SD

you can thank blizzard for nerfing the stupidest shit imaginagle while giving mages literally a nuke

[rotund trellis]

this or a socket? I got wpvp bracers

I am thinking of socketing

[rotund trellis]

also

[gaunt dune]

Mast and haste 34, vers 27 its ok?

[eternal hare]

you want 6150 vers, its like 31% in pvp mode

[river walrus]

I swear SS is rigged. I play on my warrior and only face wizard lobby ccing, kiting and pretty much dcing me from game. I switch to ele shaman to decompress and only get melee lobbies with DH/Dk or Dh/Warrior training me and not letting me play lol

[urban skiff]

it's time to stock up on sockets, can't buy them and soon you'll have enough conq to buy all the pieces

[bright stream]

MMR, time of day, and low number of games played might be the factors here.

[grand scaffold]

nah it acutally got buffed

even though it only buffs 1 thing that 1 thing hits 2x as hard in terms of reckless abandon modifier

but

raging blow charge would be nice

and so would bladestorm

and slaughterhouse should be baseline and designed better

[grand scaffold]

uh

what stats does it have

and what bracers do you have rn

[urban skiff]

RA was buffed

[urban skiff]

Let's start with having slaughterhouse not get overriden by other MS effects that clear our stacks

[grand scaffold]

yeah

thats hella gay

[urban skiff]

It's intensly bad design.

[grand scaffold]

fury is bad design

cant stand it anymore

[urban skiff]

But probably would be a huge buff to us if it wasn't the case because targets would be swinging between 20% and 36% MS effect instead of between 0% and 36%.

Fury has a lot of fun design elements

[grand scaffold]

that is a much better design

start at 20%

[urban skiff]

But slaughterhouse and all the buggy talents isn't it

[grand scaffold]

increase to 40%

fury is just shit

worst designed spec in wow

[urban skiff]

imagine if battle trance wasn't bugged

[grand scaffold]

imagine if fury was good

or you know

if it didnt heal for 3% instead of 5%

same with bt

and we had thirst for battle

and rampage actually hit hard

and raging blow hit as hard as in shadowlands

trash

[urban skiff]

Would never happen. There would cries from all the arms

[grand scaffold]

yeah

OooOooOOoh

[urban skiff]

Somehow fury being good is offensive to them.

[grand scaffold]

arms is the pvp spec

yuck argument

[urban skiff]

They like to pretend hitting MS is harder than hitting BT/Rampage

😄

[grand scaffold]

😂

[fallen estuary]

Perfectly balanced like martial prowess

[wheat jay]

Something is stinky

Isn't sniper shot % hp?

[urban skiff]

20% of target max health

Probably subjected to damage modifiers / riders

[wheat jay]

300% modifier?

Oh wait

Did it hit a tank?

That also takes +50% dmg in pvp?

[urban skiff]

that's my first assumption

[fallen estuary]

Man execute should do that damage but nah

[urban skiff]

imagine if execute executed the target

Why do monks have touch of death and we don't?

[wheat jay]

Cuz its 15%

Not 35% and on proc

[urban skiff]

Why does my 5 year old daughter want me to play poppy playtime?

[wheat jay]

Why not

[urban skiff]

It does not look age appropriate

On the other hand, she's been playing dark souls since she was 3 so

[wheat jay]

I mean I was playing gta san Andreas when I was like 6 or 7

And I was driving around killing everyone

[fickle forge]

Mastery buffs it I believe

And then if you got berserking+saltwater

Maybe it was kotmogu

[wheat jay]

Maybe

Either way, not achievable in actual arena

[grand scaffold]

yeah it hits for 250k in that

[wheat jay]

Ye which is normal for it, since its % HP with long cast and cd

More fair than Frost bomb for example

Its kinda like greater pyro

[grand scaffold]

shit

aint no way

we got a mage mod

[rotund trellis]

how the fuck one is supposed to heal through shadowy duel? is there any more toxic ability in the entire game?

[grand scaffold]

you playing arms?

[rotund trellis]

no on my druid, arms dead early NA morning

[grand scaffold]

well

if you get shadowy dueled

you trinket and mighty bash him

and probably cyclone off

if its your teammate i THINK tranq does something

idk for sure tho

[rotund trellis]

i'll try tranq

dudes keep dying in shadowy in ss

but the bad is mine, for paying SS as a healer

[grand scaffold]

tell them not to trinket anything aside form shadowy duel or smoke bomb

[rotund trellis]

the eternal 3-3

[magic wing]

Is the mm fixed yet ?

Or still r1 glads on 1600 and 20 rating for 5/6 wins

[rotund trellis]

mate, I am doing SS on my alt at 1400 and I got a r1 rogue, so...

the mmr is fine, I THINK, but there's just no fucking one playing the damn game

[magic wing]

Didnt play for like 3 weeks so should atleast a bit better no ?

[magic wing]

So 30+ min que lol

[rotund trellis]

dunno I just got back from vacay and I'm jet lagged AF

[magic wing]

The pvp lfg is atrocious

SO dead

I remember back in Legion and you had like 5x ppl on lfg at any time

[rotund trellis]

I mean it's early in the morning here in NA, but most of the groups are either chinese or koreans

[grand scaffold]

how was it btw

[rotund trellis]

it was great, had lots of fun

[grand scaffold]

nice

[river walrus]

Because it has been shit since BFA. You sit at LFR for 30-40 minutes, lose 1 game and group disband and you're back to LFR. With SS at least majority of the time you get to play all 6 rounds and you don't have to sit on your computer while in queue. Can just go do house chores or watch TV while waiting

[wheat jay]

Aoe cc

Helps a ton

[rotund trellis]

fucking hell annihilator is pure shit

played few games, it's absolute crap

[wheat jay]

Its boring

Your rotation is two buttons, done

Actually two buttons, not meme two buttons

[magic wing]

Still sucks when you play an actual pvp game for once, with insta ques

[urban skiff]

just line it bro

This the kind of advice annie-haters deserve

because ya'll ain't right in the head

[urban skiff]

That's two more buttons than I can handle right now

[gaunt dune]

Just 29 more ti 1800, I need the power!!!

To*

[wet scarab]

has anyone messed around with the legendary in arena?

[lavish quest]

The R word is auto modded

It's a bot

[grand scaffold]

oh mb

i thought a mage was here

😂

[thick reef]

Yeah, a mage mod

[grand scaffold]

exactly

[thick reef]

All mods are mage lovers until they give us back the pvp word

[grand scaffold]

yup

ive said it plenty of times on the server too dunno why it got censored today

[wheat jay]

Not today

It got censored some time ago

Speaking of which

@knotty atlas mage lover confirmed

[knotty atlas]

eh?

[wheat jay]

^

Btw, I did some mythic raid tanking

Shit's as boring as I remember

Nymue was maybe a bit fun

Council i slept 90% of the fight

Volcoross was even worse

[knotty atlas]

Je, it's horrid.

[knotty atlas]

Your name literally screams "I'm a mage".

[wheat jay]

He's ballsac

[gaunt dune]

Finally my suffering ended, I don't know how I did it, but I did it XD

[magic wing]

Pvp word ? The R ?

[elfin surge]

rogue

[boreal stone]

regarded

@magic wing

[grand scaffold]

lol

[elfin surge]

Drater

[fallen estuary]

Mooooooooooddddssss

Mud said the r word

[fallen estuary]

You WILL suffer for 2100

[elfin surge]

noo

[lavish quest]

This is why you're not the pvp stormforged

[fallen estuary]

Yo i wanna be a moderator and gain 20 trillion pounds and eventually be used by the government to flatten whole continents to eventually be paved over with concrete to build giga walmarts

[gaunt dune]

I want to reach 2100 with my dk, but I'm dancing between 1950 and 2030, I win 5/6 or 4/6 and then I lose, I can't get over 2030

I've been like this since the first week XD

[rotund trellis]

grats dog

[rotund trellis]

lol why did you censor the other players

[river walrus]

what a joke

only get 17 points for going 5-1

[rotund trellis]

"but you got +66 rating"

[river walrus]

even the other healer only got 20 for going 4-2. Is that because the ele shaman had no rating?

[lavish quest]

Your MMR was a good amount below your rating, so I'm guessing you lost a few before this

[gaunt dune]

It is generally done so as not to be disrespectful to those players in case they see it.

[rotund trellis]

fury's still dogshit, but it's fun at low mmr

[fallen estuary]

Yea its legit unplayable at higher mmr youll just get rolled over every game

[rotund trellis]

I am surprised when the enemy team doesn't go for me

like, what am i supposed to do

[fallen estuary]

I just swapped back to arms cause they didnt buff the fun spec

Pitbull em up

Eat their faces

[rotund trellis]

Every time I switch targets I am like "oh.....wait"....

yeah I'm doing fury just for the conquest cap

[fallen estuary]

Yeaaaaa furys a tunnel spec this season rn. Swapping requires your teammate to get full value over the dogshit toolkit values we got rn

[past jolt]

Fury’s a bad spec this szn.

That’s all it is

[vapid tartan]

Anyone know what happens if you intervene someone then meld? Like say you vene meld healer and a rogue kidneys them will it go through on the original target or not work?

[mild thunder]

no reason the intervene buff should be broken by you dropping combat, so i’d say there’s a 99% chance it’d just work as you said and no one would get kidney’d

as it should be

fury’s only allowed to be good if they bring back the wod playstyle

or give them rend or something, instead of just rampage

[spice hornet]

Ping me when arms isn’t C tier

[cosmic vapor]

[nimble osprey]

in pvp???

[gaunt dune]

Guys, a question, is Shadow Flame the cosmetic enchantment of this season?

[fallen estuary]

dawgs i made it

[lean burrow]

wtf is this

[wheat jay]

Visual big

Its min, not sec

[lavish quest]

He's playing healer. That's the longest queue of his healing career

[grand scaffold]

yeah fr

imagine taking more than a millisecond

[thick reef]

Does anyone know any content creators that talk about PvP comps and how they are supposed to play together?

[rotund trellis]

@grand scaffold what necpiece are you using? torc?

[spice hornet]

Wrath is terrible lol

That game is dead

[wet scarab]

been messing around with the leggo in solo shuffle, it doesn't do much over the course of a full game but the dot does around 1 m damage over the 6 matches

it's mostly ilvl pog

[grand scaffold]

on my warr

conq

on my rogue torc

[rotund trellis]

roger that

doing some cues to fill up vault

I dredge SS with all my ife, especialy arcane/surv lobby

[rotund trellis]

also the derflation is kicking in, at 1800 in SS, a 4-2 got me 100 points

[fickle forge]

That is nothing, literally

[fickle forge]

MMR diff

[wet scarab]

yeah it's disappointing but expected

the on use isn't even a particularly useful gap closer since it roots you for 3 seconds

[fallen estuary]

Yea frost mages are literally fucking busted

[rotund trellis]

this was fun. NOT:

[river walrus]

Danm

[rotund trellis]

pally whisps me I suck etc

fun lobby, this game really gets the best side out of people

"kids"

[river walrus]

It does

And don't feel bad, 1-5 and 0-6 happens to all of us

[rotund trellis]

like, how miserable your life must be to get mad at a war in a lobby ike that, at my same mmr and rating LOL

I give no shit man, that lobby s impossible for a warr

[river walrus]

Which spec was mage and and lock

[rotund trellis]

frost and affliction

[river walrus]

Jeezzzz

Freaking torture

[wet scarab]

yeah it happens, also dont feel bad about the paladin, healers are actually the most toxic people in SS

[rotund trellis]

lol I give no shit whatsoever, I'm doing SS just to cap vaut

[wet scarab]

90% of thrown rounds are done by malding/tilted healers in my experience

[rotund trellis]

oh BTW black rook hold

like, how tf can it go worst

[river walrus]

I remember a few weeks ago I went 0-6 into a lobbie with arcane mage, boomie, ele shaman, hpal and druid. I simply couldn't do much

[rotund trellis]

this is fucking cancer dude

[river walrus]

You can stop cyclone but then you get lasso into static totem and perma slow from arcane barrage

[steep cairn]

🥲

The absolute worst feeling as a warrior

The Warr Waddle

[rotund trellis]

yeah it sucks

[river walrus]

It feels like SS is a coin flip on lobby and map. You can get a good small map with a melee lobby and cleave them all. Or you get wizard lobby on large map and they don't let you play

[rotund trellis]

yeah

btw mages are absolutely disgusting if played correctly

[grand scaffold]

yeah

ive seen this 1 fire mage

that could not be hit

no matter what

and i was playing tsg

shit was nasty

[rotund trellis]

fucking small pee pee class for giganerds

looks fun tho

I'd like to try and pay some games with my mage

and their season mog is the best

[river walrus]

You know what's sad??? Magexdiscord they say mages are garbage and warriors are op into mages lol

They even say WW is hard to kite....

My experience playing as mage the only melee hard to kite are rogues/dks

If your team helps you as well, mages are nearly untouchable

[wet scarab]

frost mage buffs are warrior nerfs

[rotund trellis]

hahah true

got my revenge with my heaer LOL

1400 games are like, cyc the other healer, win

[fallen estuary]

they banned me for shittin on their rug and wiping my ass on it multiple times. theyre not the smartest

[rotund trellis]

hahahah

is there any way to mute the fucking fists from the monk. It's so cringe makes me want to die every time they press it

[wet scarab]

what do you mean by mute it

like the sound effect?

[rotund trellis]

ya

[steep cairn]

Ft ft ft ft ft ft ft ft ft ft ft

You are not alone in your hatred

[rotund trellis]

hahah exactly!

[wet scarab]

IIRC there was a way to do this by using 2 addons in conjunction, but I don't know if they're still updated regularly

one was called leatrix and the other was called mutesoundfiles

you could search for a sound on leatrix and then use the ID to mute it on msf

[rotund trellis]

I' do it, I'd rather hear farts sounds than that

[grand scaffold]

this right here fellas

is a 240k execute

1 of 1

mint condition

[spice hornet]

That’s like 1 tick of a ray of frost

[fallen estuary]

sad reality 😔

[fallen estuary]

yea its annoying, the sounds of monks beating their meat at 2.5x speed like a youtube video isnt pleasing

[spice hornet]

@fallen estuary when are we hanging out

Do you burn

I got this potent wax

[past jolt]

Is your name dad daddy in game

Dab

[past jolt]

Oh

I arms diffed you earlier

Went 5-1 KEKW

[fallen estuary]

? i havent been on for 3 days and just played a game where i went 4-2

[past jolt]

You had a green wep so it’s ok

Someone looking just like that too

I swear

[fallen estuary]

you sure this isnt eu

im na

[past jolt]

I play na but it was another warrior and maybe 3 hrs ago

[fallen estuary]

any of these you

these were the only games i done today and the 2nd pic was a 3-3

[clever dagger]

Hey guys i come back after 1 Patch and im totaly confused, i want to play Arms warri in pvp, but i looked around and find 3 to 5 diff guides. Which talents are meta right now, aswell i wanna play with a friend that play ret pala not sure if its good or not maybe someone can help me out ty very much allready 🙂

[brazen citrus]

the hunter scum got what he deserved

[rotund trellis]

It's 9k less than a tick of ray, sadge

[rotund trellis]

builds are pinned I think

[clever dagger]

didnt see them maybe im dumb but its the button on top or ?

[clever dagger]

this yeah but this build is with 4 peace not even have 1 rn

and not sure how the rotation for dps works with this build cause of the last talent with bladestorm und avatar

[rough raven]

As arms, should I get the mastery neck piece, or the haste?

[rotund trellis]

you can get the full set right now, you have enough conquest and catalysts

[clever dagger]

allright good to know then i need to win more arena games for all of them

[brazen citrus]

go crit haste

like a rebel

or b boring and go haste mastery zzz

[rotund trellis]

I have the mastery one, but it depends on your gear I guess

[rough raven]

I'm at 33% haste, and 31% mastery

I still have to get my neck, and two rings.

[rotund trellis]

what about vers? that's pretty high

[rough raven]

23% right now

[rotund trellis]

that's incredibly low, get at least 30%

[rough raven]

Well the neck piece will help with that a bit

I just can't decide between the haste or the mastery.

[rotund trellis]

what gear do you have? Is it pvp gear? looks kinda weird that you don't have vers

[rough raven]

PVP gear. I sacrificed some of my vers to get higher haste and mastery

[brazen citrus]

no crit haste warriors in the chat?...

[rough raven]

No, sir

[brazen citrus]

damn...

crit haste is so fun tho...

[rough raven]

Took the mastery one. 30% haste, 33% mastery, and 24% vers

[clever dagger]

i thin i miss something but for crafting the head what should i use as mats? mastery haste or mastery vitality?

[brazen citrus]

but what ab ur crit...

if ur not critting ur not having fun...

[rough raven]

22%

[brazen citrus]

if ur crits not 30% ur doing it wrong fr...

[rotund trellis]

lol

[rough raven]

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-i-did-my-best-dane-cook-gif-22680187

[boreal stone]

Gotta get that vers up, very important

Crafted Helm should prob have vers mast on it, with verdant conduit

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor

[rotund trellis]

is he typing mid game?

[tribal urchin]

are we supposed to use the tier set in pvp?

[rotund trellis]

yes (arms)

[tribal urchin]

so fury doesnt use it?

[fallen estuary]

5-6ed the lobby

[tribal urchin]

what does that mean

[rotund trellis]

I think it does. At least, I do

the few times I play furry

[thick reef]

You 100% use the tierset @tribal urchin

[tribal urchin]

how about crafted gear? LIke I have the allied wristguard and shadowflame cloak from pve. Should I use those too, or should I use conquest gear in those slots?

[clever dagger]

Hey i dont have any char with the Head entchant and dont realy want to do 5 weeks of pve lfr thing to get this enchant is there other option to get it oder even enchant or should i go then for the back?

[steep cairn]

10.2 PVE head enchant doesnt work in PVP

[clever dagger]

rip

ok so what second item should i craft then?

[steep cairn]

boots

[clever dagger]

got boots allready

was ready to craft the head with this entchant but yeah now not more xD

[steep cairn]

helm with the new embellishment is what i see

[clever dagger]

yeah but its a entchant out of the raid or ?

and my char has 0 pve gear so i cna only do lfr and for it i dont want to w8 30 min per raid and that 5 weeks :/

[steep cairn]

buy it off the AH to add as a reagent to the craft, its called verdant conduit

[clever dagger]

nice thats cool ty very much 🙂

[clever dagger]

hey guys i do full burst rotation charge->armstring-> overpower 2x-> stormbolt-> avater+ warbreaker -> Thunderous Raw -> Sharpen Blade + Mortal Strike but my burst sucks like hell this is my gear rn

[boreal stone]

The enchant doesn’t work in pvp

[clever dagger]

good i took verdant conduit

[boreal stone]

I feel like ur gear is kinda bad

What’s ur pvp ilvl?

[clever dagger]

476

[boreal stone]

That’s about 13 ilvl below max conq gear

[clever dagger]

yeah thats why i dont understand why i deal so low dmg 😄

[boreal stone]

Your burst rotation seems correct

[clever dagger]

i try it on the dummy max was 50k dps idk

[boreal stone]

Jesus

That’s really really low

[clever dagger]

then i look guide youtube he burst over 100k xD dps

[boreal stone]

Was it my guide?

😂

[clever dagger]

😂 😂 😂

loool

[boreal stone]

No shot

Small world

[clever dagger]

yeah and i was like bro why he deals dmg but im not 😂

[boreal stone]

My single target is about 110k on the high end, 90k on the low end on the dummy

Cleave I do a lot more obviously

Is ur gear enchanted? That can have a pretty big impact

[clever dagger]

not rly only my boots and 3 sockets on my neck

was thinking mb my haste

[boreal stone]

this is my alt warrior, 486 pvp ilvl, missing a few pieces that I can get this week still cuz i havnt played the game in like 2 weeks

about 20ish seconds of single target combat on the pvp dummy

I stay above 100k during full uptime

[clever dagger]

ok then i enchant my eq quick and check then maybe there is some fail in there idk

[boreal stone]

my mortal strikes average about 100k, but im playing unhinged, so it would be slightly higher on average without the 60% dmg ones

[clever dagger]

try after get 2 piece set dummy again

[rough raven]

So when I am in PVP, my vers does go up to 28%

[clever dagger]

got 35%

thats my dmg aafter rota @boreal stone

[boreal stone]

get 30% or more

[clever dagger]

h

[boreal stone]

this window seems really short, ur MS should be a bigger chunk of ur dam

[clever dagger]

cd after last hit time

idk

so dumb

22 sec full burst and had 3 proccs from MS

[rotund trellis]

You're not applying rend..that's the first mistake.

[boreal stone]

Frost mage demo rdruid filth

meets my sword

[clever dagger]

what should i do with my rotation?

the rotation from Atake he deals 100k dps in burst and did late his rend

[boreal stone]

could u record urself doing the burst?

[clever dagger]

need to install programm but can doit then

[boreal stone]

alright, dm me the clip whenever, ill try to help u

I was doing 200k dps in cleave openers

i feel like u should be able to do more than 50k dps

with ur current gear and stats

[past jolt]

Your team needed to crit everything with all possible mods on top to beat meta comp

That mean warr bad

[fickle forge]

Ret+warr enthusiasts 📉

[boreal stone]

I’m playing with a presvoker

From lfg

It’s respectable

Plus we’re like 2400 mmr off that win

Disgusting frost demo rdruid rats

[mild thunder]

they had 4 crits, one on a useless aa proc. ret/warr definitely isn’t bis anymore, but it’s not like you auto-lose lol

[boreal stone]

We def should auto lose into frost demo rdruid. The mage jsut choked and didn’t block, plus he prob wasn’t expecting that patty 330k Ms to the dome

[mild thunder]

depends on your mmr. you’re a pretty high xp player, so not necessarily for you but in most rating brackets there is simply no such thing as an auto-lose

[boreal stone]

True

We’re 2.4 mmr ish against that team

[mild thunder]

how many players even have glad yet?

[boreal stone]

Those were all the games we played tonight

If I didn’t get greedy to cap vaults with ransoms in lfg, I would have like a 80% win rate I think

[mild thunder]

i stg pres could actually be pretty decent rn if rdruid wasn’t the allfather of healing

[boreal stone]

I play with a pres in 2s as well

Lotta really solid presvokers on my btag now that I met through lfg

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet 3s when?

[past jolt]

Pres has a lot going into against dudu, it’s also getting buffed in a week hah

[glass orchid]

anyone got tips to cancel the leggo effect after using the charge?

ive been able to do it in pve randomly sometimes but havent figured out the pvp way yet

[boreal stone]

Prob a macro

[mild thunder]

ask the pve channel

they probably have a way

[boreal stone]

Might be a cancelaura

^^^

#arms is coated

Goated

[glass orchid]

its not a aura i dont think

the only real way ive been getting value out of it atm is to press avatar as the leggo charge is going off

im still rooted in place for 3 seconds

but atleast can do bladestorm on it

[mild thunder]

i believe there’s a way to bug it out with bladestorm

that’s all i know

other than that, either /stopcasting or /cancelaura… maybe /cqs but i doubt it

[boreal stone]

I faced a warrior with the leggo in my shuffle, I think he was using a stun warbreaker then leggo cast

Granted he was like 2.1 cr, so not exactly magnusz

If warbreaker and avatar don’t mod the damage, u can prob just use it while they’re stunned to get cast value out of it

From what I’ve seen, the dot is actually the good part about the leggo, it did like 8% of the guys total overall

[mild thunder]

that’s kinda insane ngl

[boreal stone]

Yeah, and they buffed it

I think there might be a whirlwind build that could be decent as well

With merciless bone grinder and that one talent below the overpower one

Makes it easier to dump rage for warbreaker since IP doesn’t contribute to Anger management anymore, it pumps, and it spreads the leggo effect easily

Had whirlwind tick for 70k single target against the pvp dummy

Highest one I’ve seen was 150k total

[mild thunder]

tried this in season 1, just didn’t really do damage enough to justify the wasted points imo, but it did feel nice… might’ve been buffed since, idk

you do bladestorm more now, which makes it better

[boreal stone]

Which isn’t better than a mortal strike, but still pretty good I think. Probably not worth dropping EP and fatal mark for it tho

Will test n see once I get leggo

I’m on like week 5 of full heroic clears lol

[sage raptor]

They need to stop making gym leggings past a certain size.

[cobalt silo]

Hi! I'm relatively new to PvP (got 2100 in arena in lich king retail on a rsham so not a total noob to PvP but very out of date ) and fancy picking up warrior to play with two friends mostly in bg queues in Dragonflight but possibly solo shuffle and also 3s arena (they are prot and Ret pallies). The good folks in the world of PvP discord recommended fury as easy and a good choice but I see in the FAQ here that arms is better for pvp (I've never played fury!). What spec would you advise, oh warrior gods???

[fallen estuary]

well im back up there

place your bets on either a frost bomb or a shadowy duel sending me screaming back to hell

[spice hornet]

What’s with the 0 rating in the other brackets

[pseudo yoke]

how does pvp in zaralek caverns work? can u group?

[dapper ore]

can you spell reflect the hunts DoT?

[dapper ore]

you can group anywhere. zaralek is just like any zone

[pseudo yoke]

ah it was just weird, i was able to attack horde people too

[dapper ore]

there are certain areas that are free for all areas. where you go into those small zones the name will show up red instead of just yellow. they are the site of pvp world quests usually

[amber heron]

@mild thunder

need ur help when ur awake

setting this as a reminder

[mild thunder]

sup

[amber heron]

Ive been playing a lot of fury with ur insight on raging blow

I think its far superior to bloodthird spamming build

However

I think there is a lot of wacky stufff people arent trying still

Most of ur damage as fury if u check ur meters is rampage

So that means a build focusing on spamming rampage is prob the best correct?

[mild thunder]

tbh this is the first objective of every build

[amber heron]

Alr smart ass

[mild thunder]

[amber heron]

Also

I noticed that the improved raging blow and improved bloodthirts

Is not worth it

It might be better to take anger managemnrt

And just go for more recklessness

Crushing blow does like 10k more

Then regular raging blow

Also,

I feel like the bleeds fury warrior has are irrelevant

They make up so little of ur damage

Gushing wounds etc

[mild thunder]

in a regular season i would agree with you but the tier set makes empowering bloodthirst too valuable, plus they unnerfed crushing blow a few weeks ago

[sage raptor]

nuh uh

[amber heron]

What do u think about dropping bleeds for kyrian spear?

[mild thunder]

virtually never worth imo, especially now with battlefield commander

[amber heron]

A lot of people in shuffle dont expect it even at 2k ‘mmr

Damn thats true

The 5% more damage is good

[mild thunder]

spear is just so bad now, every spec can escape it, damage is meh af, burst is low and the CD is too high

it needs a huge buff tbh

[amber heron]

Also u can argue the bleed is ticing during ur ramapge

Which jind of is good

Have u tried ravager?

In a doible meele lonby

Its not bad

[mild thunder]

played with it a bit in s1 with anger management… i don’t think it’s horrible, just not playable right now with the new tier set since your talents are so locked-in

the damage itself is pretty meh, but the 15% str amp is good

[amber heron]

Yea bro its huge

And they made a new talent that snares people

Inside it

Its kinda ass

[mild thunder]

this’ll get me flamed, but imo the fury tree has more fun tools to play with than the arms tree right now

[amber heron]

Yea it does but fury sucks

Fury needs the old slaugtherhouse back

50% ms 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

Damn i miss shadowlands

[sage raptor]

Ancient Aftershock was bae

[amber heron]

I never played it

[mild thunder]

so true and real

[amber heron]

Only necrolord

I only played warrior the last season

[mild thunder]

i would like SL spear and aftershock back

[amber heron]

When fury was the play

[mild thunder]

necro banner was fun at the time, but realistically it’s just a bland %dmg amp

and condemn was always cringe

[amber heron]

So cringe

They are removing shadowlanss abity soon i think

Like the different schools of magic

[sage raptor]

redoing the animations

[amber heron]

Will be a huge buff to melee

I think they will remove the schools also

@sage raptor

Thats what venruki said at least

[sage raptor]

yeah theyre buffing/nerfing to keep the damage the same

[amber heron]

Wdym

Like they will buff soul rot?

[sage raptor]

Rogue Eching Reprimand got buffed by like 76% to make up for it not being magical damage because it got changed to physical.

[mild thunder]

i like echoing reprimand

[amber heron]

Ok but dude

U dont cast reprimas

[mild thunder]

sue me

[amber heron]

Reprimand

[sage raptor]

if I could I would

[amber heron]

Casters have to cast

[sage raptor]

now how is a cast not going to have a magic school?

[mild thunder]

being incentivised to spend at different combo point charges is good

[sage raptor]

lay off the za

[amber heron]

No so basically

[mild thunder]

nah i’m spitting only W’s tonight, king

[amber heron]

Shifting power for mages is mature school

But they going to change it to like shifting arcane

So no if u kick it they r fucked

[grand scaffold]

i sincerely hope that condemn animation is gone

execute might actually hit someone

[fallen estuary]

Love ur pfp lmao

[boreal stone]

The biggest thing everyone hates about condemn animation is the delay

That shit is so cringe

[wheat jay]

Cringedemn

[boreal leaf]

I'm struggling so much to break out of th 1600 bracket.

[tawdry badge]

Does this look fair?

[boreal leaf]

You died in 17s to a hunter and a mage. Yea that's about right for warriors...

[violet fossil]

let ray of frost go off unfortunately

but against those two, really annoying to get to

[potent forum]

Is there any benefit to PVP specific gear besides higher versa? Like I have 489 PVE gear in most slots, would going to 479 honor be a huge jump in PVP while I'm gearing for it?

Or can I do lower arenas/RBGs/Solo in 489 PVE gear and be similar?

[rotund trellis]

pfft rookie numbers compared to my lobby from yesterday. If FB is not at least 294k it's nothing

guy was able to throw in a gacial spike in the middle of frost ray ticks. Misteries of this game..

[tawdry badge]

HAhahahah what the fuck how is that possible

[boreal stone]

Rookie numbers

We crit mortal strikes for 330k on mages

(Every star imaginable aligned and no defensives were pressed)

[river walrus]

330k MS????

You getting PI buff and windfury totem with all cds up??

[past jolt]

Pi nor WF helps with MS dmg, I’m not sure how he got that high, but could be sharpen, 2x op, 2x EP, Sophic devotion, avatar, hurricane fully stacked, and csmash

Maybe thunderous roar debuff at play with mystic touch and orb Of despair?

[lavish quest]

Can only hit mages if they afk...

[spice hornet]

everytime i open the pvp channel of the warr discord (rarely) there's always a pic of a ray of frost deathlog

[lean burrow]

bros, why keep playing same unga bunga warrior

when you can be a holy paladin and still have chad armor?

[wheat jay]

real

where's my explosive shot doing that dmg?

explosive is 80k, frost bomb 200k

[mild thunder]

hpala boring

least fun healer

[lean burrow]

the only plate armored healer

perfect for my zug-sized brain

[mild thunder]

disc is the chaddest healer

[wheat jay]

disc is the best

most fair healer

hpala is the worst

least fair healer

[boreal stone]

Idk if I had a Sophia proc or EP stacks, but I did have hurricane warbreaker and roar debuff

It was also a mage, so hardly any armor

140k non crit execute is kinda Chucky too

[fallen estuary]

Oops altar time back to 100% try again warrior

Blink blink

[boreal stone]

He altered air and I punished him for it

They lost in 30 seconds lol

The other game they barely won after 5 minutes

[fallen estuary]

Where the hell do you find those mages? My lobbies theyre legit awc world champs

[boreal stone]

Demo frost rdruid should never lose to ret war tho

It’s 3s

2.4 mmr team

[fallen estuary]

Ofc

[boreal stone]

What AWC world champ mages are u facing at 2.1 in shuffle? 🤔

I played at r1 mmr for months last season, only mages I faced that were actually difficult were Cvark, Aeghis on frost (fire and arcane didn’t feel that brutal compared to other mages that play fire/arcane), and Chunli on his arcane mage

Haven’t seen juicemage in a shuffle in forever, he was fun to play with on my team, guys good as fuck

[fallen estuary]

Im talking about their plays not legit awc champs 😮‍💨 fr

[rotund trellis]

on my rdruid, wanna talk about paladins having a solid 10+ seconds CC?

how's repentance even a thing in 2023?

also whoever invented blade's edge needs to rot in hell lol

[rotund trellis]

@elfin surge gg

that game made me want to uninstall

[spice hornet]

i thought mud reroll ww

[rotund trellis]

he destroyed my healer

I don't know why he gets to play 1870 games at 2100

he picks low cr healers

and get scrubs like me

[fallen estuary]

I would 100% obliterate mud

[rotund trellis]

it's absoutely trash how I'm playing 3s at 1600, with a friend at 1200 and another at 1650, and we get 2200 FUCKING RANKS??? WHY?

who the fuck codes this game's rules? My fucking mom?

lol

lock and DH at 2300 mmr, we're at 1400, WHY

[spice hornet]

mud is free rating

hes usually carrying someone that is 1400 rated with no hands

[rotund trellis]

also it's absoutey crazy how every 3 games we go against rank 1s and muti glads

the ladder is fucking DEAD

in 3s there's no on eunder 1700, we've been playinf for an hour, and the equal rank matches were TWO

rest is 2200 and multi glads and r1

[wet dove]

Is there a resource on what comps are good with warrior or a easy way to tell what makes a good comp? Im really new to wow sorry if its a dumb question.

[boreal stone]

ret war is ur best bet

[mild thunder]

i thought you reroll warlock

we were all lied to

[wet dove]

yo okay thank you. Also are you like the atake? like on yt?

[boreal stone]

yea

that would b me

[spice hornet]

[wet dove]

thats sick I just watched your warrior video it was very helpful! Thank you again!

[boreal stone]

oh hell yeah

appreciate it

if u have any other questions, lmk

[mild thunder]

i’ll be off wow for a few weeks anyway. push when i come back?

[spice hornet]

@mild thunder yes, I promise ❤️

Where are you going?

Back to the homeland? (china)

[mild thunder]

nah just starting a new job, gonna be doing more travelling than usual in the first few weeks and thinking a wow break would be well-timed

i usually take a few months off here and there every season

[spice hornet]

❤️

new job

[mild thunder]

nothing fancy, but i’ll take the raise

[fallen estuary]

Hes putting leashes on dog sized tarantulas

The dedication

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/it-aint-much-but-its-gif-19981723

[wet dove]

just saw this I will for sure ty!

[fallen estuary]

guild kingslayer bros

with friends

span of 4 days got it

[violet fossil]

big congrats bro

[teal hedge]

Huge

Can

Can't wait to get an income myself

Gotta fast for a week in two days though, shit's gonna be brutal

[idle falcon]

@mild thunder

GALACHAAAAAAD

[bright stream]

healers really are the worst people

in this game in terms of behavior

bad lobby/matchup, both healers shittalk within the first 2 rounds

2200 mmr lmao

[teal hedge]

In really low mmr lobbies it's the opposite

I keep getting Ivans or Dimitris calling me a dog after they never wall and die (big surprise)

[bright stream]

lol

no wonder people just play with chat off

[teal hedge]

Yep

Gotta say, wow community can be pretty toxic when it comes to the competetive aspects

Tried raiding

They go "yeah you're doing it wrong"

I ask for advice and they tell me to refer to icy veins, I do it, and they still call me wrong

And then they kicked me after I couldn't sign in their discord after being busy for the holidays :P

Real goons

[bright stream]

oh, icy veins is pretty mid for pve

[teal hedge]

Even so, wowhead said the same stuff

[bright stream]

good for normal/heroic prog, garbage for mythic prog

[teal hedge]

And I mean, I presse da buttons mama mia

Just didn't have good gear :P

[fickle forge]

Guy who writes the PvE for warr on Veins also makes the simulations for warr

[lavish quest]

You don't got an income?

[teal hedge]

Yerr, can't work

More or less, seems I've inherited crohn's disease, and our free, humanitarian doctors™️ still haven't gotten me meds

Had constant pain since september 2022 B)

Which sucks, because I graduated summer of 2023 and wanna move out, bad

But the apointment is in like a week B)

So hopefully I get some anti-inflammatory stuff

Also what made me drop playing dps in pvp, queue times literally did not work for me lol

[hot lichen]

it says in the arms info we get a free crafting trophy, where do we get that?

[fallen estuary]

Press alt+f4 itll open a window showing the vendor

[hot lichen]

did that a pic of ur fat mom just showed up

weird

[violet fossil]

do a bg and you’ll get a letter

and you go to the conquest vendor to turn it in

consortium something

[urban skiff]

RIP man, hope you get better

[grand scaffold]

just do any form of pvp

and you get some paper

that gives you a quest

it might be from opening that box you get from doing that pvp

not entirely sure

but that quest gets you 2 free trophies

[lavish quest]

Yes it's from your first purple box of the season

[digital arch]

hey guys can someone suggest any good talent build for pvp ( fury warrior ) im into pvp lately but im only 10 percent for the ach

[grand scaffold]

i can send the best one fr

[digital arch]

sure

[grand scaffold]

this one is bis fr fr

😂

on a fr note

prob this

swap into annihilator when you are vs melee cleaves

and run improved whirlwind

instead of 1 vicious contempt

and dont play bitter immunity

play the 5% movement speed one

[digital arch]

ok ok i will use it thanks mate !

hope it helps

[lavish quest]

Someone here gets it

[grand scaffold]

on a real note tho

wasnt kidding about swapping specs

fury worst melee spec in the game atm

its fun but like its reaaaaaaaaaaal bad

[grand scaffold]

😂

[digital arch]

so only arms for pvp

?

[grand scaffold]

yah

its not like fury cant be played

but if your goal is like 2400

i wouldnt recommend it in a million years

arms just outclasses it in every way

and the apm is relatively high atm

[digital arch]

my goal is the mount actually

[grand scaffold]

ide do it as arms

[digital arch]

hmm

i see

[grand scaffold]

the glad mount?

[digital arch]

yeah

[grand scaffold]

yeah

do not play fury

in a million billion years

[digital arch]

hahaha

omfg

;s

[grand scaffold]

.

play this for arms

swap warbreaker into melee cleaves

and swap wild strikes into wrecking throw against locks

dont play disarm either

only the shout talent

sharpen

and storm of destruction

[lavish quest]

You do 3s Ndogo?

[grand scaffold]

yah

omw to glad

[digital arch]

ok thanks mate a lot

[grand scaffold]

[grand scaffold]

np

[grand scaffold]

hbu

[lavish quest]

I'm giving it a go this season since I found a couple dudes. So first time trying to go deep into it

Will see how it goes

[grand scaffold]

nice

im pushing with a ret and rdru im friends with

met the ret in lfg apparently knew the rdru so thats cool i guess lol

[lavish quest]

The 2 I found were from a discord. Our schedules only line up for 1-2 times a week so will see if can put up big number

[grand scaffold]

thats cool

what cr you up to now

[digital arch]

And what gear do u recommend mate ?

[grand scaffold]

according to me

30% haste

30% vers

lowest crit possible

and the rest into mastery

other people say mastery is better