pvp

[nimble jasper]

who tf is that delulu

[fallen solar]

@mild thunder

[nimble jasper]

to say arms is easier

[fallen solar]

Da man

[nimble jasper]

idk dh is peak glue sniff

[fallen solar]

Ret also

[nimble jasper]

dk isnt much better

[fallen solar]

Was easy to get to 2k almost

[mild thunder]

?

[fallen solar]

Arms is struggling

[nimble jasper]

ret also kinda braindead

[fallen solar]

I think I know the issue

[mild thunder]

arms is peak glue sniff ngl

[nimble jasper]

esp at ratings people just tank wings

instead of kiting

or ccing

[fallen solar]

Im getting in matches with people with the 4 sets and I don’t have it yet on arms and I’m not doing damage

[nimble jasper]

yeah but its dh

[fallen solar]

Or they just out damaging me

[mild thunder]

dh unironically more complex than arms

this is the sad state of 2023

[nimble jasper]

at higher rating maybe?

idk sub 2k you just hold w

[mild thunder]

sub 2k you hold w on all specs

[nimble jasper]

and pve whoever gives the most dam

dh just has a buttload of cleave and mobility

average warrior i see under 2k leaps first global

and asks why they die early

[mild thunder]

that's most melee ngl

meta > die
leap > die
serpent kick > die
uhdk run in and die

[nimble jasper]

thats shuffle in a nutshell

i predicted this before DF came out

[fallen estuary]

Coming from the spider thrower k

[nimble jasper]

same dumb players who complained they cant find q’s

just complain they stuck at low mmr in shuffle now

[fallen estuary]

Backflip, immo aura, soulscar, the hunt whole team is dead. Obviously moar complex

[nimble jasper]

i tried queueing 2s last week

queued into a rogue who ran from me on his blades

good game

still almost lost

[mild thunder]

it's harder by virtue of being 1. more susceptible to cc, and 2. less tanky and therefore less forgiving

[nimble jasper]

my fucking eyes

waste fear and stun dr get no trinkets

[fallen estuary]

Dawg you got a backflip and a pala bubble basically lmao wtf u mean less tanky

[nimble jasper]

kite on blades

[mild thunder]

stay coping

[nimble jasper]

honestly i dont think anything will be more dumb

than s1 sl arms

[fallen estuary]

You got a shart cloud and a thousand forms of cc at a range and somehow youre less tanky with a pala bubble and a 6 sec wall every like 30 sec lmao?

[nimble jasper]

venthyr orc sephuz

peak brainrot

[fallen estuary]

Dawg throw more spiders but dhs being less tanky than warriors is cap

[mild thunder]

DF arms

[nimble jasper]

isnt blur only

a 20% dr

[mild thunder]

yep

[mild thunder]

this is actually the most brainrotted cope

[nimble jasper]

obv it varies by class because uhh

[fallen estuary]

Cope cope cope purple class cope

Onions

[nimble jasper]

when i played monk and rogue for transmogs i just instantly targeted any dh

[mild thunder]

i dont play dh lmao

[nimble jasper]

100-0 the dh through his blur lmao

[fallen estuary]

You play a surv hunter its pmuch a dh but with a sword

[mild thunder]

i dont even play sv atm lmao

[fallen estuary]

Then wtf you play

[mild thunder]

feral

[nimble jasper]

i still dont get how people get oneshot by monks

their entire go is so telegraphed

[mild thunder]

and i can confirm dh is 100% squishier than arms

[fallen estuary]

You play as a cat, while you throw spiders

[mild thunder]

still one of the squishiest melee in general

[nimble jasper]

i mean the actually good dhs

[fallen estuary]

Cope

[nimble jasper]

kite when you try to do any damage

but uhh

prob wont find one of those in shuffle

[mild thunder]

1/1000 dh's will do this properly

[nimble jasper]

till 2.4 at least

[nimble jasper]

yeah i mean the last dh i ran into who did this

had several r1s

played since legion

[mild thunder]

they are a menace when they can kite properly tho no lie

[nimble jasper]

kind of like good dks

used to perma chains kite

yeah kiting on good dhs/wws

well ww unless the other team is rogue mage

then rm insta wins

[mild thunder]

tbf ww barely kites anymore

it's a mini tank

[nimble jasper]

havent checked

[fallen estuary]

Didnt ww get a 40% kit wide buff

Btw

[nimble jasper]

did see tyga saying “chat do i log dk and win every game”

[mild thunder]

no lmao

[fallen estuary]

They got some massive buff i forgot wtf it was

[fickle forge]

What is a good DH

[mild thunder]

they got like a 5% pve buff and barely got touched in pvp

[fallen estuary]

But yknow a small buff to ww always makes em fucking busted so expect the worse

[nimble jasper]

idk didnt all the good dhs quit

[fickle forge]

I swear there are no good DH mains

[nimble jasper]

i.e the legion era

[fickle forge]

No DH main knows wtf they're doing

[mild thunder]

they literally did not get a noticeable pvp buff

[fickle forge]

They all let their ChatGPT play for them

[mild thunder]

probably because good players dont play dh

[nimble jasper]

idk which dhs still play even

tyga only multiclasses all melee

besides rogue

[fickle forge]

[fallen estuary]

I always equate dhs and monk players to daddy issue toddlers with numerous holes in their walls kar is actually right there is no good dh player only ones playing dhs have those embedded ring earrings and smokes juul pods

[fickle forge]

Tyga is a WW main no?

[nimble jasper]

idr specifically

[fickle forge]

Ran into him on his DK, man seems like a mega doomer

[nimble jasper]

he has 3400 r1s on multiple melee

iirc

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet

[spice hornet]

[nimble jasper]

ww idk

does chun still play

[rotund trellis]

ah btw, MM hunters are now DISGUSTING

blizard is smoking crack again

[open glacier]

rating inflation is in already in US?

[mild thunder]

yes, it’s called bidenomics

[open glacier]

lol

wow arena rating inflation

[violet fossil]

yeah someone said they feel it already mr krabs

[open glacier]

nice

[teal hedge]

What music do you guys listen to whilst pvp:ing?

Getting real sick of midwest emo or kanye west

[violet fossil]

“I can’t cast that”

“I need to target something first”

[teal hedge]

"I don't have a target"

[mild thunder]

sigma male asmr affirmations

duhh

[teal hedge]

asmr peter griffin takes you to the clam

[mild thunder]

asmr quagmire lures you to his dungeon and has his way with you

[teal hedge]

sex asmr is so weird

[mild thunder]

asmr herbert finds out you're 12

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-chris-griffin-shirt-spin-gif-18256361

[teal hedge]

asmr briant the doige dies in car accident

[mild thunder]

asmr andrew tate and elon musk call you sigma

[teal hedge]

there has got to be

But I need normal music

I cannot bear this annoying belagana music

[mild thunder]

leveling up my RIZZ game

🙏

[teal hedge]

What the fuck

Worst I've seen is this norwegian guy

What's his name

Linechu or something

[mild thunder]

djansfeld

average norwegian name

ulf

thor

bjornsson

[teal hedge]

These are swedish

[mild thunder]

same thing

[teal hedge]

Except we say Tor

[mild thunder]

europe is all the same

[teal hedge]

And Björnsson

Also björn is not pronounced Byorn

[mild thunder]

it's bee-jorn omg

[teal hedge]

It's Bi-erhn

Most common name would be

Lars Andersson

Or

Erik Andersson

Australians are bound to have their own names, right?

[mild thunder]

steve

todd

[teal hedge]

Are these not english names

[mild thunder]

jason

we are descended from the english, so it makes sense

[teal hedge]

Damn I would get to fixing that

[mild thunder]

well my name is french, and every day i live it brings shame to me

[teal hedge]

My name is the latin variant and not the german

😭

[mild thunder]

well, welsh and/or french

maybe i should just say my name is Gallic

sounds cooler than french

[rotund trellis]

how's the MMR inflation? I haven't cued arenas yet today

[teal forge]

Same

[tribal wedge]

nothing's cooler than french

[rotund trellis]

same?? like, no changes at all?

[teal forge]

Nada

Zero

Changes

[violet fossil]

actually anything that’s not French is cooler than French

[tribal wedge]

hard to be envied ..

[violet fossil]

uh

[mild thunder]

uh

[boreal veldt]

uh

[stable siren]

uh

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-dance-gif-14900954

Uh yea

[rotund trellis]

the mmr changes def kicked in, I'm on my resto druid and ost a game at 1750, 0mmr lost

[urban skiff]

mastery bracer or socket?

[rotund trellis]

what you mean

take the piece you need before the sdocket

[sleek wave]

which is more prio ring or dps trinket?

[rotund trellis]

what trinket

[mild thunder]

trinket

imo your prio should be weapon > tier set > dps trinket > anything else

[sleek wave]

the trinket is trash its the on use one. but i took it bad greatvault

[mild thunder]

ah ok, i thought you just meant from vendor mb

crit trinket is peepeepoopoo

[sleek wave]

i dunno if i should be running double dps trinket if im not the kill target(human) feels like im playing without a racial

[mild thunder]

nah

double dps trinket is completely troll, even on human

warrior isnt really as susceptible to stuns as most specs (and you can just avoid a ton of them), so it's not rare to have to trinket other stuff like disarms, blinds, cyclone or whatever

human racial is fine, just not amazing

[sleek wave]

any tips on rdps match ups? feels like im just getting kitted like i was in a lobby with mages and locks

[mild thunder]

dont get too focused in on chasing, hit whatever is in front of you
dont get baited behind pillars/out of healer LoS
trade your mobility intelligently - dont send charge + leap + bolt into an alter time if you dont need to
^^^ dont charge into root immunities like master's call or freedom
engage by riding your mount, dont charge in the opener

that's just pretty basic stuff, but beyond that it gets more matchup/lobby dependent

[rotund trellis]

new changes are pure shit btw, this is a 2v2

almos t7 minutes, fuck you blizzard

[mild thunder]

blame the healers that cry about not being impactful enough

and then blame solo shuffle for making healers not feel impactful

then blame streamers that begged for shuffle to be in the game (even though it was obviously going to cause issues)

[rotund trellis]

I was healing LOL

and I agree with everything you said

it's ridiculous how disconnected they are from the game

btw

I mean, don't you guys think there's more than 1-2 people working on pvp

I've been in the office where they design RAIDs

[mild thunder]

the problem is that healers not being able to impact games is a legit shuffle complaint - it's just not a problem with damage or healing tuning, it's just an overarching issue with shuffle design

[rotund trellis]

they're like 3 people with a whiteboard

so keep that in mind when pvp changes are slow to come

[mild thunder]

idk i find it hard to even be mad at blizz when there's such a severe lack of consensus among the pvp community

literally any change they could possibly make will be met with negativity

[rotund trellis]

absolutey

and it's hard also cause they have no ill intent whatsoever

They're great talents trying their best

I'm not being sarcastic btw

They're very passionate

but the scale of the operation is much smaller than I imagined

hah

[mild thunder]

i've always had the impression that blizz just wanted pvp to be more than arenas, which makes sense. i imagine designing cool bg, wpvp, brawl stuff is a lot more fun than tuning arenas

[rotund trellis]

wanna see a cool pic I snatched?

[mild thunder]

the only "innovative" stuff they get to do with arenas is ability design

[mild thunder]

even the enigma crucible platform-shifting design got shutdown

[rotund trellis]

the original statue, it's in the team 2 building

[mild thunder]

pretty neat

[rotund trellis]

yeah so cool

this is for 5 and 10 years of employment:

the lordaeron shield is absolutely amazing

[mild thunder]

would be a cool place to work (minus the sexual harassment, nepotism, abuse and horrible working conditions)

[rotund trellis]

hahah

it's a great place to work for yes

now that bobby is leaving especially

[mild thunder]

cant happen soon enough 🙏

[rotund trellis]

I agree.

[grand scaffold]

i accidentally read that as for 5 and 10 years of unemployment

😂

wheres the sword from it looks pretty awesome

nvm i read convo

[open glacier]

Cassetto my dude if you're working there get arms buffed, at least in PVE xd

[grand scaffold]

get fury buffed in pvp

i need annihilator itself to do as much dmg as raging blow

😂

[urban skiff]

buffs coming in 10.2.5

[grand scaffold]

oh fr?

what are the buffs

[urban skiff]

minor but will be felt

odyn's fury and onslaught also apply slaughterhouse stacks

[grand scaffold]

fr?

4 each?

[urban skiff]

No clue

Found it

[grand scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QnriN_YuTsE

this gotta be the funniest shit ive seen today

[scarlet barn]

Fr fr no cap

[wheat jay]

On god on god

[teal hedge]

On real?

[fallen estuary]

Bussin

[magic wing]

No kizzy

[grand scaffold]

WAIT

ODYNS FURY

DAMAGE

thats like

maybe 8 stacks

on the whole team

thats actually pretty great

[fickle forge]

Is this really a buff though, it looks like it'll take forever to stack, and locks you into 1 target

[grand scaffold]

not necessarily

odyns fury is aoe

[fickle forge]

It hardly fixes fury's design issues though

It'll still be a low uptime mess that dies in 2 min

[grand scaffold]

yeah its true

fury has fallen off

some lobbies its crushing

others its like cold barf

🤢

[urban skiff]

you still got your own stacks from rampage

[teal hedge]

I got 60 second queues

Take the healer-pill

[open glacier]

but the rating is already fixed or not

[urban skiff]

there's about a 10% chance it's an unnerf to slaughterhouse, where the OF stacks refreshes slaughterhouse duration.

[open glacier]

or there's still gladiators at 1800

[grand scaffold]

lol

[urban skiff]

what's your 2v2 rating now?

[teal hedge]

Pretty low, still

Lemme check

[scarlet barn]

Tbh, lots of people on forums feel like glads

while hardstuck at 1800 or less

[teal hedge]

1315 on 2s

But it was my dps' fault, trust

Hit 1,5k earlier this season

[open glacier]

no, I mean rating deflation

[scarlet barn]

I know

But i had to

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[teal hedge]

Care to hop on?

[urban skiff]

What does glad feel like?

[urban skiff]

wife and kids got covid, so I'm on duty for the next week

actually I'm also sick but yeah

less so

[scarlet barn]

Idk, ask them

[urban skiff]

@teal hedge you're no longer a terrorist, congratulations!

[magic wing]

1600

You see multiglads everygame

[urban skiff]

I already hit 1720 ish this season in 2s

And i'm as far from a glad player as humanly possible

I don't track drs, I can't see if enemies pops cooldowns or defensives

I macro my damage cooldowns into one big button

[teal hedge]

I beat the allegations

[magic wing]

Thats solo shuffle

[urban skiff]

I also hit 1680ish in shuffle with no effort

[grand scaffold]

💪

just dinged

[urban skiff]

only thing stopping me is the queue not being compatible with a sick family

[rotund trellis]

grats @grand scaffold

[grand scaffold]

ty ty

[rotund trellis]

still on fury?

[grand scaffold]

nope

arms

fury is fun

absolutely bad most times

[urban skiff]

Big grats, do fury or prot next!

[grand scaffold]

idk how to play prot

😢

[urban skiff]

shield slam and execute and TC spam

[grand scaffold]

i guess

ill prob TRY on fury next

but atm lingering around 2k

get a good lobby

then get shat on

[urban skiff]

You got this

[grand scaffold]

ty ty

you as well

[river walrus]

Why is it always the people going 0-6 the most toxic in SS??

[grand scaffold]

well

usually when 0-6 happens

its either they are having a bad day

or

people arent playing around their class

so they get upset and take their anger out on others

[urban skiff]

or secret third option: algorithm sets you up against people it knows you'll lose against to end or slow your streak.

Never ever accept really fast queues if you had a lot of wins, it means someone's getting slapped down a notch or two and it's likely you

[grand scaffold]

true

i have a complete conspiracy theory on which ques to pick

and when to que

at this point

😂

[urban skiff]

Same!

[grand scaffold]

so far

it seems to hold up

for the most part

[urban skiff]

Wednesdays and tuesdays are best days

before 21.00 gametime

[silent torrent]

Are dh's tough 1v1?

[river walrus]

I actually have the same theory, fast queue during win streaks is a bad sign, almost always lose lol

[urban skiff]

Yup!

[fallen estuary]

Dhs are 3 patches ahead of everyone else so yea they are

[urban skiff]

3 patches or 3 expansions?

The future is now, old man

[cyan sluice]

They are pretty weak now after many nerfs

Almost no representation at all

[urban skiff]

tbh i best kill dhs when I target something else and accidentally squish the dh

[cyan sluice]

But every 1v1 is tough for warrior lol

[urban skiff]

I guess they don't pop defensives if I'm not actively targetting them?

[cyan sluice]

Yeah they fall over

In any case

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lies-liar-bullshit-so-that-was-gif-15334130

Think of the poor DHs. They need buffs, no one but basically 30% of melee play them

[urban skiff]

no representation at low levels because it's a class that attracts only top 1% players

[lavish quest]

That was for 2100+, that is low level 😉

2400+ even worse

[urban skiff]

I like how high demo lock is on the popularity list

idk if it's just because the level i play at is pretty low but I like how easy it is to cancel their burst

fear the tyrant, slam the obelisk

[little lava]

Isnt the tyrant only buffing their pets

[urban skiff]

It's chaincasting some damage spell, but I assume the act of summoning the tyrant also buffs something

[little lava]

Back in the days the spell was doing so much dmg

Now it Buffs pets mostly

[grand scaffold]

the cast is useless at this point

demo locks no longer play big tyrant

they instead play a short cd version which hits like a potato

the main utility of it is that it gives pets 15% dmg boost

but fearing the pets and shockwaving them still stands

very helpful

[tidal bear]

Thoughts on single minded fury? Just a casual here

[urban skiff]

it's two talent points to equip weapons with less stats

[tidal bear]

Ok so a no then

[lavish quest]

Did you know that the felguard is just as strong as a warrior, it has a spin to win, storm bolt, and a MS. So we're as strong as a pet 😢

😉

[mild thunder]

just parry the pet stun

[lavish quest]

We spin it

[urban skiff]

Cataclysm classic

The one expansion I might actually give a chance as classic

but only because I spent most of that time with my face in a bucket, even during raids

[teal hedge]

Do you think there are any warrior drainers?

[urban skiff]

wait what?

[mild thunder]

warrior what

[teal hedge]

Skyhold has fallen

Drainers

[mild thunder]

i’m confuse

[teal hedge]

You're not making it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQjWKq7vrc

Here is drain music

[obtuse igloo]

Hi guys, i m a returnign player after 1 year break

any quick link for pvp arms talent build, recommended?

[urban skiff]

Welcome back, m8

[obtuse igloo]

thNK YOU SIR

Thank you sir*

[urban skiff]

People generally swing by and just check what others are doing https://murlok.io/warrior

[obtuse igloo]

ty champ

[urban skiff]

else check the pins

ARMS > Fury unless you prefer fury

[obtuse igloo]

roar > than spear in pvp now? for both 2v2 3v3 but also solo?

[urban skiff]

yea

nobody plays spear

new pvp talent makes roar goat:

5% extra damage from you and your partners is kind of a big deal

[fallen estuary]

im literally going to have a seizure doing shuffles with these fucking people

i go 3-6 when i shoulda went 4-6 cause healer "suddenly dced" and lost a round with me and the warlock got ass blasted the whole game

[vapid tartan]

If ur playing shuffle sober you’re doing it wrong

[fallen estuary]

dawg i got work so i can do it shitfaced tomorrow

i have irish berserker beer and jack daniels so yea

[vapid tartan]

That os the way

[mild thunder]

if you’re playing shuffle you’re doing it wrong

[vapid tartan]

Real

I like that I can q it while filling rbg

[mild thunder]

i lfg’d some real 3s last night and goddamn dude it’s just so much better

know how long it took to fill my group?

5 minutes

instant queues

[vapid tartan]

3s are p fun rn ngl

[teal hedge]

No snow during christmas

God damnit

[lavish quest]

No one will take a warrior.
Garbage class.

Nothing like the OP SV or feral

[teal hedge]

What

Warrior is like A, A+

[urban skiff]

Warrior is W tier

which is above S++

[rotund trellis]

Second set in the books

[mild thunder]

bait

[lavish quest]

Can't fool the master baiter. Got 2 others tho

[mild thunder]

i’ve been master baiting before you were born, bucko

[lavish quest]

Aren't you 13?

[teal hedge]

Norp sir he is 37

He is my older cousin

[mild thunder]

you’re getting me mixed up with mud

you can tell he’s 13 from his pre-pubescent voice

[lavish quest]

Thought he was 12, and you're 13. The big bro

[mild thunder]

nvm, that sounds about right

[mild thunder]

fellers, should i gear my rogue or ww for alt keys

[neon quest]

Hi all, returning player! Havent played since March, just getting back into it and catching up on the new tier sets. How is fury and/or arms for PvP these days? Always was a fury guy but Arms always seemed to outlcass it

[neon quest]

New tier set seemed good for fury

[rotund trellis]

Arms.

[urban skiff]

arms is slightly stronger, fury is more fun

[mild thunder]

arms is significantly stronger, it's not even remotely close

but if you're not pushing for glad or crimson legend or w/e just play what you find more fun

[rotund trellis]

I have a positioning question. What is the best strat to keep pressure if the enemy team hides behind their pillar and my healer is at max range? Am I supposed to dip in an out of LOS? Is my healer supposed to reposition themselves to the other column/come out in the open?

[mild thunder]

imo your healer should be there - closer, better corner to peak and run back out of LoS and gives you more freedom. assuming you're talking about tolviron, he can also play off pillar if he's at a safe enough distance.

[rotund trellis]

yep, that makes sense thx

Whats' the best positioning for lordaeron? both 3v3 and 2v2

[mild thunder]

ummm, it really depends on what you're playing with/versing. im not the best to give blanket advice and i cant think without a visual example, but i'll try and find you a bicmex stream where he went over different maps and positioing a week or two ago.

[rotund trellis]

that would be great thanks

on ruins I'm always torn between taking control of the mid area or using the side tombstones to LOS enemy casters during their all-outs

[urban skiff]

Nothing is stronger than something you enjoy doing

This is why I play a melee mage

slap 'em with ma wand

[mild thunder]

if im versing a caster cleave im usually pushing to have them on one side of the map, then we fallback behind middle tomb if we need to LoS damage

[rotund trellis]

caster cleave means 2 casters right?

[mild thunder]

yep

[rotund trellis]

also I need to change my keyboard fucking hell it misses a lot of types

[mild thunder]

i cant find the stream but it was somewhere in the last 15 days 😄

https://www.twitch.tv/bicmexwow

i'll look for it again in a bit

[rotund trellis]

thanks man!

[mild thunder]

100%. better off digging deep into a spec that you enjoy and can play for long periods than slogging through a spec you enjoy less because it's the fotm

same with picking a race or whatever. better off picking something that you can stare at happily for a few hours than something that gives you a tiny % increase

that's why i only play cute fem nelves 🙏

[urban skiff]

And that's why I dream of playing more KT human

patch 10.2.5 on ptr just hit release candidate, 1-2 weeks until fury rises to the top !

[teal hedge]

KT is amazing

Haymaker is such a great racial, not only for performance but for bm as well

[mild thunder]

racist

[teal hedge]

I am literally kultiran irl

[mild thunder]

actually it's more speciesism

[teal hedge]

What

Kul'Tirans and humans are the same species, right?

Just non-convergent evolution and all that

[mild thunder]

no

they're inferior

[teal hedge]

How come?

[mild thunder]

im the master race irl and in-game

[teal hedge]

Because they're bigger and stronger?

[mild thunder]

they're only bigger and stronger to compensate for their lower intellects

[teal hedge]

By that logic gnomes would be the absolute pinnacle of Azerothians

[mild thunder]

yes

and the fem nelves

[teal hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332244414241964042/1137155945231826994/ezgif-2-4d943c5c2d.gif

[mild thunder]

and the vulpera

vulpera brains are so large that they evolved larger ears over the eons for their brains to grow into

[teal hedge]

They evolved larger ears so that you can yell into them more

[mild thunder]

i respect my vulpine friends

[teal hedge]

That's only because of fox

[mild thunder]

yes

[teal hedge]

Staying up all night to let people into my garage has gotta be a highlight

[rotund trellis]

balancing the universe

[grand scaffold]

💪

[rotund trellis]

fucking hell I'm still awake it's 2:30am

I'm having a blast this week

[grand scaffold]

nice!

i was awake till 1 am

then i woke up at 8

-_-

[grand scaffold]

what cr your warr at now?

[rotund trellis]

1800 and something

started the week an hour ago

doing 2s now

what would you sacrifice if I want to go fatality?

[grand scaffold]

i woudnt use fatality tbh

but if you had to mortal combo

[mild thunder]

an unblemished lamb

[grand scaffold]

huih

wdym

[rotund trellis]

[mild thunder]

pretty common sacrifice

ordinary

[grand scaffold]

do you find fatality better than mortal combo?

[mild thunder]

imo fatality is a lock-in unless you're versing a spec that removes it

hpala, mage, them kinda fellas

[grand scaffold]

hmm

doesnt it suck since the nref?

[mild thunder]

nope

people stopped using it, but it was never bad imo

[rotund trellis]

ladder is still abolutely shit, at least at this time of the day. at 1800 only fucking glads, rank 1s etc

[mild thunder]

still adds a big chunk to your exe, especially now when the meta is slowing down even more

idk if i'd drop mortal combo though

[grand scaffold]

its pretty strong

[mild thunder]

me personally, i drop massacre but that's because i hate the animation - i wouldnt recommend this

i'd probably play something like this, swap to unhinged if you think you'll need to cancel storm

i do not think bloodletting is that good - it adds 1-2 ticks to roar and the crit chance is incredibly meh

[rotund trellis]

what you think about strenght of arms? you drop it?

[mild thunder]

i like SoA and improved ss

both good, just depends on matchup on what to use

overpower basically hits as hard as ms

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its a more reliable execute tbh

because no slow animation

[mild thunder]

i hate massacre so much

eh whatevs, 1800 mog isnt alluring enough to make me play warr this season anyway

play to 1800 so i can look like antman's stunted little cousin

@knotty atlas how's your arena push going, bozo?

[knotty atlas]

Almost 3.4k.

How about yours?

[mild thunder]

3.5k omegalul

get good

[rotund trellis]

only?

[mild thunder]

he's a pve-er, go easy on him

mannn i forgot how goddamn fun ww is

i only ragequit this spec because i missed a legsweep standing on top of someone and raged about ping diff

[rotund trellis]

fuck monks

like, fuckem

fuck monks/hunter comps especially

they have to burn in hell

[mild thunder]

sv

ww

feral

rogue

[rotund trellis]

shhhht dont mention them

🖕

[mild thunder]

something about them leather combo point specs gets me hot under the collar

[knotty atlas]

I'm holding myself back.
Don't want to come up to the big boys to embarrace you.

[grand scaffold]

rogue is a nitwit class

[rotund trellis]

he DED

[grand scaffold]

nice

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-23650588

[rotund trellis]

and FUCK DH too
(HE DED)

[knotty atlas]

Did i stutter?
I'm just showing my superiority by not putting in the effort of typing properly when writing in #pvp .

[mild thunder]

valid

pvpeasants dont deserve the honour of proper grammar

[knotty atlas]

Exactly.

[mild thunder]

should i change my char's names to Galacat, Galastab and Zengala? feeling like i should rep the Gala on my alts, yknow

or Galachi

Galafist

Galanorris

[knotty atlas]

We're out there fighting for the survival of the world and you PvP'ers are here just complaining about a frost mage or something.

[mild thunder]

every day i wake up and keep your home safe from hordes of demon hunters and death knights that would murder you in your sleep

[knotty atlas]

Mate, i'm a tank.

I laugh at DH's.

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/boromir-arrows-lotr-lordoftherings-gif-8512686604746056681

me irl when an mm opens on me

Galabrew

for my monk

Galasweep

[rotund trellis]

hahah this made me chuckle

how does the ALTS section of drustvar work?

[mild thunder]

alts section?

[grand scaffold]

idk

[rotund trellis]

Yeah when you search for a player, the page shows a section with their alts

On the bottom of the page

I'm asking cause a guildie told me he pushed rival on week one, so I looked him up

And under the ALTS section there are a bunch of characters, but they're not him

(all the ALTS are multi glad)

[mild thunder]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

the website

i was thinking of the zone

[mild thunder]

you sure the og character is him?

maybe he bought his acc

[grand scaffold]

just use checkpvp

[magic wing]

Its trash

S1 DF still clears from this xpack

[boreal stone]

just an FYI for all the pve boys that raided for the helm embellish, it does NOT work in Arena

[ruby heron]

how much versa we need?

[boreal stone]

u can hide alts on check pvp, use seramate or void instead

30% or more

no more than 33% tho

[grand scaffold]

oh shit

i never knew that

[ruby heron]

some ppl used haste/mast crafted rings

[grand scaffold]

i use one as well

its good

[boreal stone]

If ur getting leggo axe, u need vers on rings, if not, then u can prob sac one ring

[grand scaffold]

the only reason to use one is if vers is above 30%

if its lower you cant use haste mastery

[boreal stone]

i still get to ab 32% vers with this ring still on

[ruby heron]

i've %35 vers right now

without weapon it becomes 33

[boreal stone]

too much, are u in mostly full gear or just honor gear?

[ruby heron]

and i have vers on crafted ring

[grand scaffold]

i was at 37

so i crafted haste mastery ring

and haste mastery bracers

[mild thunder]

imo hitting 40% vers as arms is fine

you're a tank

may as well be tankier

[grand scaffold]

yeah but like

the other stats crank more dmg

[mild thunder]

ehhh, mastery scaling on arms is ass

and haste isnt all that imo

[boreal stone]

40% vers doesnt do anything

[mild thunder]

tldr arms stats are all meh

[boreal stone]

ur just wasting stats

thats not true at all lol

all arms stats have their place

[ruby heron]

aiming at 30ish vers is because of diminishing returns

?

[boreal stone]

yeah

[grand scaffold]

yeah

waste of stats

[mild thunder]

you're still getting tankier with more vers, and the damage contribution from hitting 40% vers is not that much lower than it would be going into mast

[boreal stone]

1st versa dr is at 6150 stat points

[grand scaffold]

^

[boreal stone]

as long as ur at or below that, ur fine

[grand scaffold]

mastery scales like way higher than vers does

especially past 30%

[mild thunder]

the points per % on arms mastery is not amazing

[grand scaffold]

its still better

[boreal stone]

stop giving out bad info. high vers sucks dick, always will, and does not have any benefit to it outside of maybe, maybe fighting rmp. if ur gearing to fight rmp, u play full stam gems, orc, and fury warrior

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild thunder]

you're recommending fury for rmp?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild thunder]

and saying i give bad advice?

[grand scaffold]

its much better

[mild thunder]

bruh

[boreal stone]

If ur trying to be as tanky as possible

[grand scaffold]

you dont die in stuns

[boreal stone]

fury is tankier

[grand scaffold]

shadow duel is like nothing at that point

[mild thunder]

arms has more utility and mitigates stuns

[grand scaffold]

🤨

[boreal stone]

i dont care ab utility

[grand scaffold]

next lvl rambling

[boreal stone]

at face value

100-0

[mild thunder]

ok this is trolling

[boreal stone]

fury takes less damage

[mild thunder]

i have an exam to do

[boreal stone]

and takes lionger to kill

[grand scaffold]

yes it is trolling

[boreal stone]

and that is a fact

[grand scaffold]

fury doesnt lose into rmp easily at all

its a fact

if you die easy with it

[mild thunder]

fury wall is a longer CD, cant avoid stuns and is passively about as tanky as arms

[grand scaffold]

skill issue

[mild thunder]

stop sniffing atake's ass

[grand scaffold]

so

[boreal stone]

again for the dimwitted

[grand scaffold]

its usable during stuns

[boreal stone]

if ur goal is to be as tanky as possible

you would have full stam gems

play orc

and be a fury warrior

[grand scaffold]

^

[boreal stone]

any further questions?

[mild thunder]

and be a arms warrior

[grand scaffold]

just no

simply no

[boreal stone]

u dont even play warrior anymore man

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[ruby heron]

i am a fucking gnome just because i get mad because of fucking roots

[mild thunder]

no, but i verse warriors. and i know im killing a fury warrior way quicker than arms

[grand scaffold]

bad fury warriors tbh

i never die into rmp

[boreal stone]

Ur fighting 1800 fury warriors

[grand scaffold]

yeah im going gnome too

[boreal stone]

...

[grand scaffold]

😂

[mild thunder]

even the 1 fury warrior i might have versed at high rating last season

they still get shut down

eat stuns

and die

[grand scaffold]

washed

[mild thunder]

arms eats half the cc of other classes

[boreal stone]

I fell like u just argue to argue

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[boreal stone]

no rhyme or reason behind it

kinda cringe tbh

[mild thunder]

i feel like you're trolling

kinda cringe tbh

[grand scaffold]

ngl i dont agree with atake on a usual day

but hes spitting facts for some reason

[boreal stone]

I always spit facts

i am enlightened

[grand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/psychic-third-eye-enlightenment-telepathy-gif-22477198

[mild thunder]

i explained why i think arms is tankier - eats less cc, mitigates cc for the team and itself, has a shorter CD wall and is roughly as passively tanky as fury with IP - and you just said "fury takes less damage hurr durr"

[grand scaffold]

how in the fuck does it eat less cc

and dont say warbanner

[boreal stone]

where did I say fury takes less damage

[mild thunder]

2 bladestorms??? dbs??? banner???

[boreal stone]

fury has significantly more HP in stuns

[grand scaffold]

yeah it does

rmp

[boreal stone]

if ur facing a dogshit rogue, ur gonna baldestorm cc and disrupt their go

[grand scaffold]

doesnt kill you

[boreal stone]

if ur fighting kalvish

[grand scaffold]

outside of cc

they wait

for NO BLADESTORM

[boreal stone]

fury is better if ur getting trained

[grand scaffold]

into rmp fury doesnt die

like ever

[mild thunder]

if you're versing kalvish, no one here is winning by playing fury lmao

[grand scaffold]

unless they fuck up

no

i know that

because i beat his arcane rmp on my fury warrior

2x

[boreal stone]

pretty sure u dont even take banner no arms anymore

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its not worth

[boreal stone]

u get more value from safeguard and bladestorm slow/commander

[mild thunder]

[boreal stone]

But go ahead, the guy that doesnt even play warrior, why dont u enlighten me

[grand scaffold]

yup

[mild thunder]

into rmp i would lmao

[grand scaffold]

idts

[boreal stone]

theres just no point in arguing ignorance

no offense

[grand scaffold]

bc youre recommending arms

[grand scaffold]

its like 2020 me

😂

[mild thunder]

i mean, i explained my reasoning

you just responded by saying nothing

idk what else to say

[grand scaffold]

it doesnt have a basis

nobody uses warbanner because it lacks value

[mild thunder]

i gave my basis lmao

[boreal stone]

Idfk man, you and I are playing two different games I guess

[grand scaffold]

ima go study spanish

[mild thunder]

you just said "how does arms eat less cc??" like an idiot

stfu

[grand scaffold]

ive lost hope

[grand scaffold]

with you on that

[boreal stone]

Half the games im fighting rogue I dont even take fuckign disarm anymore

[grand scaffold]

ngl i take it everytime

😂

[boreal stone]

fair enough

its not bad

[mild thunder]

not taking disarm i understand

they either pre-eva or cloak or w/e and it's an expensive pvp slot

[boreal stone]

I feel like ur advice would be good with bnner if ur fighting some 16 hundo rmp that just ignores it

banner has like no hp

if u fight a single decent rmp

[grand scaffold]

ya

[boreal stone]

the firemage has a mouseover fireblast macro

and insta kills it

[grand scaffold]

yeah

best case scenario it stops 1 cheap shot

[boreal stone]

half the time I banner a kidney, it still sits full while my banner stands next to me with full hp

[mild thunder]

banner takes 2-3 globals for most specs unless you're sending a spender into it like fb or ks or something

[boreal stone]

the talent is buggy, not useful at higher ratings, and hard for most warriors to actually use properly

[mild thunder]

i'll agree with this part

[grand scaffold]

its 40k hp man

[boreal stone]

I can backstab for that

lol

[grand scaffold]

slam kills it ffs

[boreal stone]

I could hamstring it

and it would die

[mild thunder]

cap

[grand scaffold]

😂

[boreal stone]

could prob impend and autoattack it

and it would die

unironically

[grand scaffold]

imagine spending 3 globals

on 40k hp

😂

[boreal stone]

thats some TBC dps

[grand scaffold]

facts

[boreal stone]

sheeeesh

bro is pulling up with the phatty 13k dps

[grand scaffold]

ahahahaahaha

we ripping off the bandage with this one

😂

[mild thunder]

tbf i mostly play specs like feral and sv where yea 80% of my abilities hit for less than that... it's not dying to shred, or rake, or mf, or rip, or brs

it's a bite

or sv, where it doesnt die to bomb, or kc, or serpent sting and might live a mb

[grand scaffold]

uhm

raptor strike

or mongoose bite

[mild thunder]

mongoose bite base damage is very low lmao

[grand scaffold]

idfk what its called

i garantee its just about 40k

[boreal stone]

u could prob kill command banner on surv

[grand scaffold]

😂

[mild thunder]

you cannot

[boreal stone]

and shred def does kill banner

[mild thunder]

i know, because i play sv

and feral

[boreal stone]

Ive played both too

[grand scaffold]

i only play warrior and lock

😂

[mild thunder]

i guess i might have been hallucinating idk

[boreal stone]

mfer dont make me log on my last season toons

[mild thunder]

im not making you do anything lmao

if you wanna get bent out of shape because someone disagrees with you, that's on you

[boreal stone]

if u were disagreeing ab an opinion

fine

but ur arguing thruth

[grand scaffold]

but this is fact

[boreal stone]

truth

[mild thunder]

yes, and based on my experience playing both feral and sv, those abilities typically wont kill a banner in one global

i know because it has lived both of those globals from me and the feral i play with

[grand scaffold]

what ilvl do you have

470

[mild thunder]

why would that matter? im talking about games i played last season where everyone was full geared

[boreal stone]

last season gear man

what fucking pipe are u smoking

literally 448 pvp ilvl

[grand scaffold]

warbanner was 100% not 40k hp last season

[grand scaffold]

😂

[boreal stone]

450 pvp ilvl

if ur autoattacking

plus w/e ability u press

banner 100% dies

in 1 global

[grand scaffold]

and thats this season's banner

[boreal stone]

wasnt in pvp combat

but im still like 470 ish ilvl

lemme go see on pvp dummy rq

KEKW

[grand scaffold]

😂

[urban skiff]

4th day of covid, all signs of sanity gone

[magic wing]

Fury is peak gameplay

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-meme-radar-gif-26497624

[grand scaffold]

sorry man

get better soon

[lavish quest]

@wheat jay since DH became fotm

https://youtube.com/shorts/DhrTJHhMx8Y

[neon quest]

So catching up on what I asked about last night, seems like arms is better but if you’re a casual gamer dad like me fury is fine to go with

[rotund trellis]

Yeah 200%, he's been playing it since forever. I'll try checkpvp

[mild thunder]

pre much

[river walrus]

Fury is the most fun spec, arms is the better spec. Pretty much that

[magic wing]

Fury is way more chill

Arms your dmg is just so constistently boring

Miss good ole SKS

[river walrus]

Yeah, I am currently playing arms but the playstyle is ao danm boring

[magic wing]

You dont feel your dmg at all

[gaunt dune]

Have mages really become so fucked up that most wars became gnomes?

[grand scaffold]

yup

im going gnome myself

😂

also the orc racial is meh now

[gaunt dune]

I was just checking the ss ladder in murlock io and most of them are gnomes, wtf

[rapid shore]

escape artist racial

[gaunt dune]

Although I do understand it, how the hell can I fight the mages? If I'm in root or in poly or my partner dies, I still don't understand it

Yes, imagine that's why, I said it because last season the magicians screwed me all season, and this one has been no different, I enter a lobby where there is a magician and he rarely ends up winning the majority

[grand scaffold]

lmfao

mages are a problem all the time

im honestly gonna start playing one

so i can find out exactly how to beat them

[gaunt dune]

Well, after all, Blizzard is shit at balancing classes in pvp, but the fact that the people at the top of the ladder became gnomes to counteract the mages was unexpected, and I want to have hope of reaching 1800 with my lightforge XD

[karmic tundra]

Whats the stat to go for arms pvp, some say Haste others say Mastery, whats ur take?

[teal hedge]

It's up to preference!

More haste means a higher apm and a slightly faster rotation

More mastery means more damage

If you really want to minmax, you take haste to the point where you are comfortable, and then stack mastery

[karmic tundra]

Thanks for reply man, good to know

im at 39 vers 29 haste and 22 mastery atm

[gaunt dune]

39 versatility is too excessive, I think the current cap is usually 30

[karmic tundra]

ohh really, ouch, i'll change it around then 😄

[stuck cliff]

@grand scaffold rogue mage sneak attacks are wicked

[grand scaffold]

😂

im not a fan

thats why fury stands chance

[grand scaffold]

yo

your haste is nice

vers is way to high

drop it until you have 30%

and swap it into mastery

youll truck people

[stuck cliff]

I'm wondering what to adjust for my guy I just got most random gear

[gaunt dune]

I don't know what to believe anymore, is this meta really healthy? Every time I see a fucking magician in the lobby I end up losing

[stuck cliff]

But I do like playing PvE stuff and switching to fury for that so maybe my guys good

[grand scaffold]

yeah trust me

get mega mastery

maintain the haste though

and dont go lower than like 30% vers

and no the meta is not healthy

its highly atrocious

[grand scaffold]

fury is good into rmp

its bad into melee cleaves though

[stuck cliff]

Yeah I got 34 verse 20 mastery and = Crit haste

[grand scaffold]

nah you want 0 crit

[stuck cliff]

Ah

[grand scaffold]

its nerfed by 50% in pvp

its baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

[stuck cliff]

Didn't know that

[grand scaffold]

ideally you have 0

all g

now you do

🙂

[violet fossil]

My balls are itching to play arms again

[gaunt dune]

I'm falling into doubt because I don't fully understand it, I'm starting to think it's a skill problem, but I do well in almost all the lobbies, a mage comes and screws me up

[grand scaffold]

arms is generally stronger

[grand scaffold]

send me your talent build

and get more mastery

and record a game vs mage ill tell you whats going wrong

[stuck cliff]

It's just two pieces with Crit are the tier shoulders damn already catalyst something for it

[gaunt dune]

Oh, no, I have no doubts with my statistics, I have 25 base in hast, 27 in mastery and versatility

[violet fossil]

you’ll have crit regardless

[grand scaffold]

dw about base

it matters whats in pvp

[grand scaffold]

true

but you want 0

its not possible

[violet fossil]

but everything else you can craft eventually

to get more haste or mastery

[gaunt dune]

my talent build is the one in the posted comment of the channel for 4p

[grand scaffold]

idk about how good it is

let me send you mine

[stuck cliff]

Ah I see why everyone gets primal molten helmets now

[grand scaffold]

BcEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7DgWiERCJJpVKJBAAAAEEJCkEUERDJCJhiEBhAEJAAAAAAAAkolICIENEA

[gaunt dune]

haste 31, mast 29, vers 32

[stuck cliff]

Well what murloc says

[grand scaffold]

its because early season

you ideally want tier helmet