quaint ruin
I just want to punch his face with those glasses on
#pvp
rotund trellis
AMEN
cyan mauve
brung is crazy
rotund trellis
inflation cant come soon enough. went 4-2 in SS at 1800 and got 7 rating increase
and also this (1757 rating)
river walrus
They said they were doing a big increase on mmr inflation on a hotfix, should be live
mild thunder
this isnt an inflation issue
rotund trellis
no? glad at 1750?
mild thunder
you won 2 games against a person with almost 0cr, and were the same mmr as everyone else
lucid walrus
there's no feasible way to make a pool for glads only or something in shuffle
playing against better players makes you better anyhow
rotund trellis
yeah, the problem is the only people cuing are glads, od school pvp monster and shit
mild thunder
that's just not true. i think ive seen one glad in all my lobbies so far
rotund trellis
and casuals like me eat shit every single day cause no one is playing this game lol
I've had a glad or R1 in every single lobby
although I have to be honest, the game feels very balanced, in terms of classes
like, there's no god class, and it's very cool
mild thunder
arms warriors always say that when they're a top tier spec 
rotund trellis
I don't think we are honestly, but what do I know
mild thunder
arms has few-to-no bad matchups
you have the mobility to keep up with almost any caster
you completely counter rogues and most melee
you tunnel priests and can swap great into rdruids
rotund trellis
fair
rotund trellis
arms is just too strong for such an easy beginner-style class
I don't know why, but to me doesn't feel that easy. I may be too old for this game LOL
mild thunder
have you played other specs?
rotund trellis
I mean it's straight-forward. But I don't feel like it's EASY to me
tribal wedge
the game in itself isn't easy, but arms is pretty easy
you don't have to take into account a lot of factor
except panic leap out, you barely never kite as arms for exemple
mild thunder
the game in itself isn't easy, but arms is pretty easy
every time someone says xyz makes arms hard, it's just a basic part of pvp that everyone does
tribal wedge
you understand this only if you try class like feral or same skillcapped spec
tried to return on my old feral main, god it was hard ahah
rotund trellis
have you played other specs?
yeah fury and resto druid
sleek wave
They said they were doing a big increase on mmr inflation on a hotfix, should be...
i got mine its legit
rotund trellis
I find fury really easy, and rdruid fun, easy and with good and straightforward rotation
sleek wave
nvm got 58 at 1600
violet fossil
prolly not til reset
sleek wave
kinda weird cause i started from 0. now im at 1.7k with these games
was at 1.6k for fury
rotund trellis
but also I see that I'm lacking experience, and I know I can do much better. It's just that with arms I have trouble identifying the correct rotation/utilities. But that's because I need more game-wide experience i think
When playing healer I am much more aware of my surroundings, enemy teams cds, etc. On warr I focus too mch on my dps rotation and gap-closers
sleek wave
hidden mmr i think?
sharp meteor
and also this (1757 rating)
Why do people get scared of glad drakes
rotund trellis
Why do people get scared of glad drakes
I mean, cause he went 6-0?
rotund trellis
he was really good
fallen estuary
they fixed the mmr shit with healers
past 5 games i had its been with equally matched healers
bright stream
Why do people get scared of glad drakes
very rare that theres anything behind them
super commonly purchased, on alts, or back from a break, earned it while cheesing/fotm
personally find R1/AM titles more indicative
fallen estuary
super commonly purchased, on alts, or back from a break, earned it while cheesin...
yea i just got out of a Shuffle with a dk that was overlapping his ccs and just not doing his shit correctly at 2k's with a obsid glad mount
ppl really think glad mounts actually mean a good player lmao
meanwhile
1 more win and im getting my brapstorm enchant
got 30 welfare MMR after goint 5-6 in my last match that had a tie round
winnin
urban skiff
Gratz buddy, I'm really proud of ya
fallen estuary
jesus christ this wasnt worth it
its like they took taco bell victims and put them in a lemon squeezer and got the worst enchant out of it
max settings btw
and it looks like shit
rotund trellis
grats!!!
bright stream
and it looks like shit
its for healers
it looks really cool on green/healer themed gear
shaman/druid/monk imo
no primal storm though
fallen estuary
i HATE healers
teal hedge
I would play more healers, but bartender just nuked my mouse-over casting
And I haven't been able to fix it
bright stream
yeah that not for me either, at most I'll meme on rshaman occasionally
teal hedge
Rshaman might be the most boring healing spec
bright stream
I would play more healers, but bartender just nuked my mouse-over casting
🤮
mouse casting, may as well use click casting addons
teal hedge
Aint no way you use targetting binds as a healer ⁉️
bright stream
Aint no way you use targetting binds as a healer ⁉️
yep, and it works well
much better than not being able to play because your shit addon hasnt been updated
teal hedge
You use ctrl + scrollwheel, or what do you use?
bright stream
I use my mouse buttons for party/enemy targeting
teal hedge
Yeah I use scrollwheel for enemy targeting
bright stream
the theory is basically, 1 set of binds for both mythic raiding/high end pvp, the MMO mouse is just for arenas
so the only things on it are targetting and @ arena macros
teal hedge
Interesting
bright stream
mild thunder
the theory is basically, 1 set of binds for both mythic raiding/high end pvp, th...
bro
bright stream
also have a separated keyboard num pad
because the pve specific keybinds that arent applicable in raiding are on that
bright stream
if you ain’t binding mouse wheel yo your basic rotation
I could bind it, its still on default as zoom, havent needed to use it for anything
bright stream
also means that your mouse is more freely available for things like totem targetting
which isnt the biggest deal in the world, but if your focus is on an addon, you're going to miss things that are going on imo
bright stream
Mouse has two additional buttons
move autorun to num pad, same as draw weapons
get a naga x
think there might be a honeycomb alt for mmo mouse now
teal hedge
Haven't had good experiences with razer
bright stream
nah, they make good shit, and have had excellent QA for ages
teal hedge
Already got a mouse and it is scuffed
bright stream
it took two years for me to burn through the wheel while coding with the viper
wtf are you doing to your mouse?
mild thunder
Haven't had good experiences with razer
razer sucks
you want an mmo mouse? buy corsair
1000x better quality
bright stream
you want an mmo mouse? buy corsair
good build quality, terrible specs
this man has no idea what hes talking about
teal hedge
wtf are you doing to your mouse?
I have big man hands
bright stream
the sensor is out of date, the form factor is garbage, its disproportionately overweight
teal hedge
Not tiny ladylike fingers
mild thunder
most of my setup is corsair, never had a single issue with any of it
had my keyboard and mouse for going on 3 years
teal hedge
I obliterated my mousewheel after only one session of bhopping
mild thunder
only thing i had to swap was my headset because it got possessed
bright stream
had my keyboard and mouse for going on 3 years
yep, and by the time you're 25 the 130gram brick you're using is going to tear through your wrist
bright stream
I like heavy mice
they're bad for you my man, real bad
mild thunder
jokes on you, it's my left wrist that's fucked from a baseball injury
bright stream
you want low DPI/CPI and low weight
bright stream
800/1600 DPI/CPI, 15-30cm 360 quivalent, and sub 90 for mmo as a max, and sub 70 if you can manage it with an fps mouse
mild thunder
dude the scimitar is like 2g heavier than the naga lmao
teal hedge
I got a basilisk v2
Oh and a corsair k60
or k65, whatever
Point is, keyboard SUCKS
My keys keep falling off
bright stream
dude the scimitar is like 2g heavier than the naga lmao
as always, your opinion isn't based in reality
teal hedge
What's the source for developing wrist problems with heavy mice?
It's not like 130 grammes is a lot of weight
bright stream
the earlier versions of the scimitar and earlier corsair mice were also heavier if I remember correctly, I might even have an old pre scimitar corsair mmo mouse downstairs as well
mild thunder
as always, your opinion isn't based in reality
how are you always such an insufferable git
teal hedge
Light mice feel very cringe to use
bright stream
how are you always such an insufferable git
Like I said. Not based in reality.
teal hedge
HAHAHAHHA
mild thunder
as long as you arent overly palming your mouse and gaming for excessive hours (you shouldnt do this anyway), you're probably fine
mild thunder
Like I said. Not based in reality.
did you literally not see that i googled it?
bright stream
teal hedge
Overly palming mouse?
See that's kind of an issue considering my hand just envelops the damn t hing
bright stream
literally, both mice on my desk right now, massive weight difference
mild thunder
Overly palming mouse?
finger grip > palm grip
there are also lighter scimitar models iirc
like playing the piano, no need to have your whole damn hand eating the keys
(i did one month of piano)
teal hedge
Fuck man I gotta get a new mousepad
teal hedge
Current one I got for like 5 dolar
bright stream
there are also lighter scimitar models iirc
unless you can actually demonstrate that, you're just talking hot air
teal hedge
And it has ripped open
bright stream
anyway, the naga x is very good, highly recommend
bright stream
source for wrist - very into peripherals, got older, spent a lot of time looking into it and testing it myself, along with talking with friends
mild thunder
unless you can actually demonstrate that, you're just talking hot air
iirc = im not 100% sure... it has been 3ish years since i purchased mine (because it's lasted so long without issue)
teal hedge
peripherals
bright stream
iirc = im not 100% sure... it has been 3ish years since i purchased mine (becaus...
yeah so you're making it up
teal hedge
That's the one
mild thunder
yeah so you're making it up
do you think people remembering things is the same as people making things up?
bright stream
do you think people remembering things is the same as people making things up?
I dunno how to tell you this, but yes
teal hedge
Turns out the approximate weight of my mouse is 92 g
mild thunder
bright stream
that is functionally, physicialogically how the brain and memories work
bright stream
Turns out the approximate weight of my mouse is 92 g
highish for a 2 button mouse, but reasonable
mild thunder
do you think people refer to neuroscientific understandings when they speak colloquially? or do you realise people have different general understandings of "making shit up" and "remembering"?
making shit up = lying
remembering = remembering
sharp meteor
Dang we're weighing mice.
bright stream
do you think people refer to neuroscientific understandings when they speak coll...
sure, when you're having a normal conversation I think thats fine, when you're trying to tell me I'm wrong, trying to provide sources, and telling me the mouse I have in front of me aren't the right weights, I think its pretty fair to dismiss your memory
sharp meteor
I missed some good content
bright stream
just take the L bro, its okay to be wrong, next time you'll have gained the knowledge and take the W
mild thunder
and yes, the wireless scimitar is a bit lighter
teal hedge
They need to make larger peripherals
bright stream
so, just so we're clear, the one with batteries weighs less?
teal hedge
But shouldn't batteries weigh?
bright stream
mild thunder
sure, when you're having a normal conversation I think thats fine, when you're t...
i did provide sources, after you accused me of lying/being delusional
teal hedge
Also fucck batteries
bright stream
corsair has it at 114, so about 4 grams
bright stream
i did provide sources, after you accused me of lying/being delusional
I didn't use either of those words, I said your opinion isn't based in reality
which it wasn't
mild thunder
yes, that is the same as calling someone delusional
mild thunder
which it wasn't
which it was, which i showed by providing the sources i googled
bright stream
The sinister potionj
this sounds like some classic stuff
teal hedge
Buy my Sinister Potion!
bright stream
sir I'll have u know I'm a working class man, I'm too busy doing job to have a wow job
😦
teal hedge
It's the Sinister Potion!
mild thunder
not too busy doing a job to weigh your mouse for a discord argument
bright stream
not too busy doing a job to weigh your mouse for a discord argument
I wouldn't have to if you would chillout a little my man
mild thunder
pretty sure you were the first person here to insult me and call me delusional
mild thunder
imma weigh my balls against your mum's chin, lil bro
teal hedge
She just got out of the hospital
mild thunder
bright stream
pretty sure you were the first person here to insult me and call me delusional
I was mean to you first, in this case, I could have been gentle when I saw you doing your opinion/ego thing this is true
mild thunder
I was mean to you first, in this case, I could have been gentle when I saw you d...
opinion/ego thing = someone disagrees with you and shows you why
uh huh
bright stream
ehhh, its a little different, we've spoken many times - it wasn't just about someone disagreeing with me
bit closer to the class clown opening their mouth to tell a joke
(again I'm being mean, I'm sorry)
teal hedge
I need to find food
mild thunder
the only person you're being mean to is yourself in this exhibition of public humiliation
bright stream
the only person you're being mean to is yourself in this exhibition of public hu...
you can redo/resubmit this one if you like and I'll read the second attempt after dinner
mild thunder
https://tenor.com/view/battle-of-wits-spongebob-doxx-meme-gif-24313115
i do not condone this language
teal hedge
The Argument!
bright stream
The Argument!
no lie, I once had a guy I knew get so mad he went and wrote me a notepad.txt file that he titled "my rebuttal.txt" and sent to a large group chat
teal hedge
Wonderful
bright stream
really clever dude, was studying to be a lawyer, nice guy but just got a bit stuck in the moment
lol
mild thunder
you still queueing disc, fungus?
scarlet barn
You people do pvp even in this channel
mild thunder
yes
you guys ever mid-arena and just remember how cool and unique wow arena is and how there'll never be another gamemode like it in the world? 
bright stream
you guys ever mid-arena and just remember how cool and unique wow arena is and h...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWXeZhyYJ4
sometimes I mentally pour one out for a couple of games that popped up over the years claiming to be this
there was a dota x wow pvp game on steam for a bit as well, can't remember what that was called, maybe battle rite?
mild thunder
top-down gaming 
the biggest issues that these games have compared to wow is that they're pvp games... wow's greatest weapon for arena has always been that arena comes about as an organic result of pve design. interactions arent always intentional and need to be discovered, and the depth and complexity is completely unmatched
greatest weapon and greatest travesty 
bright stream
makes it hard for a game to compete
with the mmo genre being dead or locked behind the fps style
(have you guys seen what's happened to fortnight? shits weird - my nephew was showing me a bunch of game modes recently)
mild thunder
i dont think fortnite is remotely struggling tho
violet fossil
everybody copying fortnight
mild thunder
shit is somehow still popping
bright stream
nah but I mean more,
like you're not gonna get a wow style game
when fortnight style prints money
violet fossil
call of booty
bright stream
they put dota on life support recently I've heard as well
mild thunder
like you're not gonna get a wow style game
no one's ever gonna successfully recreate wow pvp because you cant recreate wow pvp
the very attempt to recreate wow pvp fails to recreate wow pvp because it misses the core ingredient - accidental design
bright stream
I've always thought that the singular unique thing that makes wow pvp
is the interupt system tbh
not really anything else like it
bright stream
in any other game
grand scaffold
what do i drop to get 2x crushing force
mild thunder
also wow is just super hyper incredibly turbo niche and probably doesnt appeal to a base large enough to incentivise a completely new game
grand scaffold
pain and gain no good?
grand scaffold
ok
alr
i have a theory that slam fury might be kinda good
raging blow not seeming to cut it anymore
urban skiff
https://store.steampowered.com/app/504370/Battlerite/
Battlerite was good but Bloodline Champions was the OG
urban skiff
its actually nice
I'm glad you enjoy it. It's really fun version of fury.
grand scaffold
I'm glad you enjoy it. It's really fun version of fury.
very true
urban skiff
After trying fury in pve it feels like we need the bonus rage to make the spec feel best
but idk how to get the points for it
grand scaffold
eh
urban skiff
it's not about more damage
it's about how good it feels to have enough rage to enter a loop of rampage -> BB -> repeat ad nauseum
mild thunder
it's about how good it feels to have enough rage to enter a loop of rampage -> B...
it just isnt as good in pvp as it is in pvp, because in pve you theoretically want to maximise enrage uptime by dragging out your rampages
in pvp you wanna rampage as often as possible for slaughterhouse stacks
wheat jay
it just isnt as good in pvp as it is in pvp, because in pve you *theoretically* ...
Lmao no you dont
You have back to back enrages when you pop
Rampages*
mild thunder
You have back to back enrages when you pop
yea i pointed out "theoretically", because realistically i dont think it's ever something that has been common in DF
i know it was more of a thing in legion
scarlet barn
urban skiff
it just isnt as good in pvp as it is in pvp, because in pve you *theoretically* ...
I think in pve we just pump out rampages now and 30 extra rage means more enrage leeway if BB doesn't proc enrage?
With 4set we just want to use BB/BT as much as possible, so outside cooldowns it (after a rampage) Bb -> any skill -> bt -> rampage loop
where "any skill" changes based on what's available between execute, slam, ww
mild thunder
I think in pve we just pump out rampages now and 30 extra rage means more enrage...
you take the +30 rage because it gives you a buffer if you over-generate and can be theoretically min-maxed, but realistically it's pretty rare
even with 4set in pvp you arent (or shouldnt) be prioritising bt over rb outside of odyns windows
urban skiff
No rb because i'm annie
bright stream
No rb because i'm annie
I was into annie spec
urban skiff
Reason I like annie fury with 4set is that we can do OF -> avatarOF -> straight into another OF
freaks people the fuck out
come next patch those OFs will stack up slaughterhouse
mild thunder
Reason I like annie fury with 4set is that we can do OF -> avatarOF -> straight ...
why is this exclusive to annihilator?
urban skiff
Because we prioritize BT over RB?
mild thunder
you press bloodthirst just as much during OF windows with rb as you do with annihilator
the annihilator build offers literally nothing over rb in pvp
it has better sustained damage, better peak burst, same defensives and roughly the same burst frequency
urban skiff
afaik RB foregoes Bloodcraze, the stacking crit chance
that's gotta matter for pumping out OFs
mild thunder
you might squeeze out 2-3 more bt crits between odyns fury's
urban skiff
And no Deft Experience means longer BT cd
mild thunder
(which is a talent you can easily take with the rb build)
100% not worth losing out on what the rb build provides
urban skiff
Might be bypassed by weird interaction with RA
mild thunder
And no Deft Experience means longer BT cd
you've always taken this too
this is more-or-less the best fury build imo, with some optional points here and there
it's always been a mix of rb + bt nodes, getting the best of both worlds for juicy BT crits/reduced CD during enraged regen, but utilising rb and onslaught for bigger burst with slaughtering strikes
urban skiff
Annie is the future
mild thunder
🤡
grand scaffold
it does
grand scaffold
annihilator pressure just seems higher
limber relic
Fury is boring :x
mild thunder
it does
they both suck, because they're both fury
but annihilator offers nothing over raging blow
which is why most top fury players dont run it
grand scaffold
raging blow has less pressure tho
mild thunder
how?
grand scaffold
it just does
mild thunder
it has more damage
mild thunder
mild thunder
mild thunder
Fury is boring :x
arms is boring :x
grand scaffold
have you tried annihilator
mild thunder
this season? no, but i tried it when it was actually good and even then it had less damage than the rb build
because it was never good because of its damage
mild thunder
i would rather quit wow forever than play fury ngl
limber relic
arms is boring :x
Lies
mild thunder
so a minority?
limber relic
This is fun tho 🥲
grand scaffold
so a minority?
40% is pretty big
mild thunder
40% is pretty big
but most dont run it, which is what i said
mild thunder
the only thing the raging blow build has going for it is pressing slam (which you can still do with the rb build lol)
grand scaffold
nah the slam doesnt hit that hard
mild thunder
with full talents, slam can pump
mild thunder
it hit 120k last season
grand scaffold
im not hitting higher
legit
and i have 486 ilvl
idk whats missing
2nd wind is bc of duels
dont pay attention to that
boreal stone
even with 4set in pvp you arent (or shouldnt) be prioritising bt over rb outside...
pretty sure u dont even play RB anymore, its jsut annihilator with slam now
u COULD technically play some weird onslaught raging blow build still
but i dont see it being any good, especially with how heavily tier set encourages to just spam BT/BB
grand scaffold
exactly
boreal stone
would also recommend taking 1 points in whirlwind if possible since it almost guarantees that at least 1 of those BB crits
boreal stone
ive been pveing a lot, u play auto attack speed in raid
brain is fried
u can prob swap out some the BB execute points for whirlwind talents
ull get more value out of being able to get whirlwind cleave on BTs to reduce odyns than having BB execute dmg
mild thunder
but i dont see it being any good, especially with how heavily tier set encourage...
difference is you 1. naturally have more crit in pve and 2. taking more crit is infinitely better because it's not nerfed to fuck
boreal stone
one shots are no more, unless ur a sub rogue and press evis scret tech for 600k in 2 globals
boreal stone
difference is you 1. naturally have more crit in pve and 2. taking more crit is ...
U play vers mast for fury in pve i think
urban skiff
would also recommend taking 1 points in whirlwind if possible since it almost gu...
Getting improved whirlwind was a gamechanger for me. So much more burst during goes
urban skiff
difference is you 1. naturally have more crit in pve and 2. taking more crit is ...
vers mastery
grand scaffold
tbh i like my big executes
mild thunder
U play vers mast for fury in pve i think
yes, but you naturally have higher crit because you dont avoid it like the plague
boreal stone
play arms
grand scaffold
its like the only way im killing people
boreal stone
dont be a beta
mild thunder
most fury warriors in pve play around roughly 20%
most fury warriors in pvp play around roughly 10%
boreal stone
what is ur points exactly?
ur saying that RB is fine cuz ur not taking 4 set to reduce odyns cd anyways?
mild thunder
spamming bt in pve gets you more cdr on OF than spamming bt in pvp
grand scaffold
rb is ass imo
boreal stone
yes, the cdr is also nerfed in pvp
boreal stone
difference is you 1. naturally have more crit in pve and 2. taking more crit is ...
here
after responding to me when I said that RB isnt the play anymore
mild thunder
that was in response to the idea that spamming BT over raging blow is always better in pvp
which it isnt imo
boreal stone
what value do u get from pressing RB over BT
mild thunder
because rb will do more upfront damage and buff your next rampage, while bt is just rnging for a crit
grand scaffold
what value do u get from pressing RB over BT
you get a higher boost to rampage
like 18%
boreal stone
but rampage hits for fuck all anyways
mild thunder
that's not true lol
grand scaffold
it hits hard af
mild thunder
you can buff your rampages by 100% with the rb build
boreal stone
with onslaught
and rampage talents
on ym geared war
cuz i feel like
that shit is ass
mild thunder
yes, it is ass
wheat jay
fuck rb tho
wheat jay
its anni build meta now
grand scaffold
can you try it so we stop arguing
mild thunder
im not playing fury
i would rather uninstall and throw my pc in the dumpster than play fury
mild thunder
its anni build meta now
when sv meta
grand scaffold
never
grand scaffold
if you have rb you gotta prioritize it
boreal stone
41^
mild thunder
if you have rb you gotta prioritize it
not necessarily, it allows you to use it dynamically. you prioritise BT when it's a better button
boreal stone
i have 91% Battle trance uptime
grand scaffold
not necessarily, it allows you to use it dynamically. you prioritise BT when it'...
yeah when odyn fury buffs it
boreal stone
to be fair
mild thunder
yes, when you press rb you build slaughtering strikes - when you dont, you lose barely anything compared to the anni build
boreal stone
my offhand is a fucking hero track gorehowl
mild thunder
which is why it's good, it's flexible
mild thunder
my winrate with feral is higher than with sub, doesnt mean sub is bad lol
mild thunder
and you winning x with 1 subspec and y with another subspec doesnt mean it's better, it could just mean you're not optimising it properly, had bad matchups, generally played poorly etc.
fallen estuary
Just a reminder that skullsplitter is busted
grand scaffold
🤨
mild thunder
Just a reminder that skullsplitter is busted
mild thunder
anything is viable
mild thunder
talents probably matter less for arms than any other spec in pvp ngl
they're all so unimpactful
grand scaffold
ok so what would you drop or change
mild thunder
nothing, that's fine
boreal stone
also, u have to keep in mind that odyns will be a lot lower in the breakdown
cuz it cleaved onto the nearby dummies
grand scaffold
nothing, that's fine
nah i mean to get sks
grand scaffold
phat
boreal stone
not really
boreal stone
my overpower hits that hard on the same dummy
mild thunder
100k is cap
grand scaffold
if you have rb
boreal stone
might jsut be that fury just sucks dick in general
mild thunder
my rampages hit 120k last season
grand scaffold
fury is bad
grand scaffold
my rampages hit 120k last season
i mean atake presses bb over rb a lot
boreal stone
min ticks were 12k
mild thunder
looking at it as an overall is kinda misleading imo when some are buffed by 20% and others by 100%
grand scaffold
yeah
boreal stone
well, during my cds
u do more damage by cycling rampage and BB
instead of RB onslaught rampage
grand scaffold
no
boreal stone
yes
mild thunder
if you're counting tier set procs, probably
grand scaffold
yeah
mild thunder
otherwise i dont see why
boreal stone
U prio the Buffed BB over the raging blows
grand scaffold
exactly
boreal stone
100%
grand scaffold
theres like 6 of those tho
mild thunder
but again, that's just why the rb build is good - flexibility
you get the same burst
and higher sustained
boreal stone
which comes out to about 14 total if u have a stun in there as well, or need to charge etc.
fallen estuary
is it viable
Dude rock it into your burst and tell me if its viable. Its the best feeling change they did with it
boreal stone
which is basically ur entire avatar window
fallen estuary
Sad they removed the instant dmg but with teir it works
After bladestorm a 12x exe spam lmao
grand scaffold
Dude rock it into your burst and tell me if its viable. Its the best feeling cha...
send me your build
i just feel like trying it
grand scaffold
yeah
boreal stone
theres no way that raging blow is better
it might be slightly less damage
but u 1, maintain ur enrage, 2, reduce ur burst cds, 3, heal urself
trust me, i would pref raging blow too, i played that shit when no one did last season
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then everyone magically started playing it
boreal stone
if u spam BB and rampage, u should have near 100% enrage uptime
grand scaffold
yeah but its still easier with rb
boreal stone
how so
fallen estuary
send me your build
boreal stone
6 seconds wont last through a kidney go
fallen estuary
On fone so copy from that
boreal stone
then a cheap
then another cheap
most of the time, ur also in a pre cc
or disarm
grand scaffold
yeah but nonetheless it lasts longer
fallen estuary
Also always rock safeguard
grand scaffold
i never said it was
fallen estuary
Fucking trust me
grand scaffold
what
fallen estuary
It stops the stupid from dying
fallen estuary
I dont care fr i got 2100 wo disarm
grand scaffold
interesting
fallen estuary
Safeguard literally is way better ngl
grand scaffold
i hit 2200 with disarm this season
maybe it is idk
havent used it yet
@mild thunder safeguard or disarm
fallen estuary
Just tell your teammate to rock it
grand scaffold
what if they cant
fallen estuary
I honestly let them die if they cannot kill a sub rogue or use defensives properly
They precog, i stop attacking
boreal stone
<@589020053748449300> safeguard or disarm
depends
ngl, i havnt played a single game this season where I thought i needed either one
then again, i quit shuffle after missing title by 4 points
grand scaffold
then again, i quit shuffle after missing title by 4 points
i missed it in season one by 40
i got so fucking upset
didnt try last season
boreal stone
i was number 10 spot 16 hours before season end
13 degenerates passed me in that time
grand scaffold
i was in a similar placement
boreal stone
i didnt even get legend
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and then i got fucked
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some warlock threw on my team and i lost title
boreal stone
neither has legend
grand scaffold
i was at 2888 if i remember right
boreal stone
I just quit shuffle
mild thunder
truee
boreal stone
only thing ive done shuff on is my sub rogue
mild thunder
legend is pretty cringe
boreal stone
72% win rate at 2100 mmr
mild thunder
now try outlaw
boreal stone
toon is literally 2 weeks old
mild thunder
it's so unfun in shuff
grand scaffold
that cutoff was low asf, wth
yah
boreal stone
I was 2.2 on outlaw last season, didnt care to push it anymore
outlaw is really fun, what
mild thunder
it's fun
boreal stone
literal jack sparrow
mild thunder
but having no kill pressure in shuffle is cringe
mild thunder
compared to sub it is 100% not cap
boreal stone
but its high
boreal stone
Ive seen some pretty nutty BTE one shot windows
mild thunder
but its high
it's good, but it's nowhere near what other specs bring as burst
mild thunder
all im saying is after playing way more outlaw than sub, sub is 1000% easier and better in shuffle
boreal stone
apparently crit is the move now
mild thunder
ye
boreal stone
Idk if i would say sub is easier than outlaw in shuffle
u can fuck up a lot harder on sub
but ur heavily rewarded for not fucking up
boreal stone
but sub gets cucked by moron DHs and warriors that feel the need to stun
when u have ur go
boreal stone
hmm
mild thunder
tbf i have also had
very unfortunate lobbies as OL
alllllll dh, arms
and you just dont compete on damage
boreal stone
This is whats wrong with arms rn-> Double EP, double OP, bolt for main stat, dreaming conduit proc, sophic proc, avatar warbreaker, roar for 5% more dam
I log sub rogue
I press Blades in stealth, wait for thiefs bargain to fall off
mild thunder
This is whats wrong with arms rn-> Double EP, double OP, bolt for main stat, dre...
the list of what's wrong with arms is way longer than that
boreal stone
dance cheap evis, sepsis tech, cheap, evis, cheap evis
and it does 3 mil dmg
its unironically 10 modifiers
to do less damage than a sub rogue that presses 3 globals while the entire team is ccd
mild thunder
having modifiers punishes you for making mistakes, so they took it away from arms
boreal stone
its wild that the only class the crit nerfs feel actually impactful on is arms
mild thunder
cap
boreal stone
like sub rogue still one shots after crit nerfs
same with mage
outlaw suffered I guess?
but they got a rework, they cant complain
destro got buffed
any other spec im missing that incorporates crit heavily into their gameplay?
maybe like MM hunter? they got buffed out the ass as well
point being
mild thunder
ww, sv, fdk, fire, ele
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those classes that used crit as their form of high burst
all still do that
while arms is a glorified feral druid with better utility
WW does more burst than arms
SV doesnt build off crit
mild thunder
sv does build off crit, especially with our new tier set
boreal stone
FDK got buffed, its the orphan child of wow tho tbf
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haste/crit
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all of these specs have fallen off harder than arms, except for ele
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while arms brings just as good sustained damage and a massively more inflated utility toolkit
and being tankier
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Fire mage doesnt seem bad, its just not as good as arcane
WW has higher sustained
its less cd reliant
mild thunder
arms is CD reliant?
boreal stone
it also has more cooldowns
to do damage? yeah
u get kited and disarmed on warbreaker
ww u press fof that slows and parries
into an rsk
boreal stone
im not a bladestorm enthusiast
mild thunder
i dont care, most arms players are because it's broken lol
grand scaffold
bladestorm #1
mild thunder
im not a bite enthusiast, doesnt mean ferals arent biting for north of 300k
mild thunder
as cd reliant as ww, i dont think so
grand scaffold
no way
boreal stone
what cds does ww rely on to do damage?
boreal stone
serenity? faeline is a bigger modifier than seren
xuen is a haste buff on a 2 minute cd, u dont need it to kill someone
boreal stone
if u dont cc avater, u die
mild thunder
arms has two CDs - wb and avatar, both of which are kinda ass modifiers after the nerfs
ww has keefers, fls (kinda), serenity, xuen, sotwl and then mods like XB that actually matter
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if u dont cc avater, u die
difference is arms has two cc immunities for avatar lol
boreal stone
XB is a passive on fof
sotwl is a rotational ability
u dont even care about keefers anymore
not like u did in SL
when u had to line it up with legsweep and bonedust
mild thunder
XB, totm, dance all mods that actually matter for ww
grand scaffold
last time i checked
mild thunder
using sotwl as a rotational ability is pretty troll ngl
mild thunder
you use it more now with tier but you're not throwing it out willy-nilly
grand scaffold
never seen a warr do that
boreal stone
because running is more mana efficient
if u get trinkets in one seren go, u can run and wait until u have it back
grand scaffold
so therefor ww is more cd reliant
boreal stone
u could do the same thing on a warrior
boreal stone
that is a really, really dumb argument
boreal stone
it depends on what healer they have
grand scaffold
based on what you say
mild thunder
tbf you dont really run on ww like you used to
boreal stone
havnt seen a single ww team run for more than 20 seconds
mild thunder
it's very much a W key zugzug spec nowadays
grand scaffold
how
boreal stone
wdym how?
mild thunder
it's way tankier than it was in SL lol
boreal stone
U have diffuse, dampen, double port
mild thunder
and SL ww only killed during bdb, DF pvp is different
boreal stone
ww is fun
elfin surge
nelf is for pussies
grand scaffold
^
boreal stone
stream for 3 days, average 600+ viewers, and abandon us again for 6 months
elfin surge
😐
grand scaffold
increase consistancy
boreal stone
backtracking to the whole cd reliance thing
in order to do the levels of burst that ww does, u need the stars to align on arms
double OP, double EP, hurricane, etc. et.c
grand scaffold
yeah
boreal stone
also, im like 99% sure that arms is the only spec that stacked crit over haste/mast
boreal stone
before the crit change
grand scaffold
some ele shamans went crit
boreal stone
Crit is the best simming stat in PvE as well
grand scaffold
and also weird mm hunters that only want 1 shots
boreal stone
the only ones that played crit were playing some gimmick one shot spec that wasnt viable at high rating
im talking about the vast majority of arms warriors stacking crit
grand scaffold
theres has to have been 1 other spec that went crit
aside from ele i can think what though
grand scaffold
😂
boreal stone
bro i had a unh dk in my lobby on sub
the amount of times he gripped healer when I wanted to step kick
was insane
lavish quest
Well arms actually has significant synergies. It's one of their bis stats in pve. Just pvp nerfs it so it sucks. So then you just go with the other bis stat, haste
mild thunder
also, im like 99% sure that arms is the only spec that stacked crit over haste/m...
most arms players werent hardstacking crit
it was like
never the play
grand scaffold
30% crit, 20% haste
i was playing 20% 20%
lavish quest
S1 you stacked crit
grand scaffold
idk how you hit that high
mild thunder
Well arms actually has significant synergies. It's one of their bis stats in pve...
pretty sure haste outscales crit in pve anyway
in the long-run
lavish quest
You just make sure everything says both on it in pve
boreal stone
but thats only because mast and vers fall off significantly im psure
ooh, hpals stack crit
thats another spec
lavish quest
Kind of lame that they haven't buffed crit back up part of the way to make it more viable in pvp rather than essentially no one uses it
mild thunder
ferals would stack crit if it were actually good in pvp
lavish quest
Somewhere in between the 50% and 75%
boreal stone
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/us/sargeras/atakez this is my banned warrior, gear is kinda scuffed
but it says 27% crit
lavish quest
ferals would stack crit if it were actually good in pvp
I'm sure a lot of specs would go crit if it were actually good
wheat jay
what yall talking about?
lavish quest
Same for arms.
wheat jay
tldr pls
lavish quest
In pve you want crit
boreal stone
warrior sucks, buff crit
boreal stone
ez
wheat jay
crit is ass
mild thunder
yes, that is the conversation we're having, leland
mild thunder
crit is ass
and it should be
in pvp
wheat jay
you just want to win off of highrolling crits?
lavish quest
But he's a DH reroller
mild thunder
yes
boreal stone
I want the dopamine to hit my legs irl
while i crank the piss out of the dumbass destro lock
mild thunder
you just want to win off of highrolling crits?
me no want to earn win
me want free oneshot
wheat jay
lmao
lavish quest
you just want to win off of highrolling crits?
I want more than 2 Stats to choose from in pvp lol
wheat jay
crit objectively is a dumb stat
mild thunder
then you'd ask for vers to be removed
wheat jay
roll crit, win
boreal stone
Crit is the most dopamine inducing stat in the game
mild thunder
vers is the issue with pvp stats, not crit
wheat jay
Crit is the most dopamine inducing stat in the game
cuz you get wins off of rng
0 skill required, just roll a crit
lavish quest
then you'd ask for vers to be removed
You don't have to choose verse in pvp. It's on everything 
wheat jay
and you play arms
mild thunder
You don't have to choose verse in pvp. It's on everything <:warriorbrain:1083190...
yes, that's the issue - you dont get stat agency
wheat jay
the most obnoxious spec in the game
mild thunder
pvp stat budget barely exists
mild thunder
its arms ngl
boreal stone
peasiante
wheat jay
you have 15s of immunity
lavish quest
yes, that's the issue - you dont get stat agency
That's what I'm saying. The only real choice is does my spec want haste or does it want mastery?
wheat jay
xD
lavish quest
Lame af
wheat jay
ok ok atake, relax or youill shit yourself xD
boreal stone
Ill be sure to send u some in the mail
mild thunder
That's what I'm saying. The only real choice is does my spec want haste or does ...
there are several specs that still run crit
wheat jay
lavish quest
Hpal and?
wheat jay
arms
boreal stone
I would rather que into arms
wheat jay
double intervene, 15s of immunity to every form of cc
lavish quest
Arms is respectable
wheat jay
noone in the game likes playing into arms
wheat jay
in any bracket
wheat jay
ohhh watch it
you might say the R word by mistake
dont want you getting banned habibi
lavish quest
Redacted
wheat jay
or i can just cry to mods like Apex did
mild thunder
there is no spec more aids to que into than arcane mage either
arms
wheat jay
bro there's no class that's more forgiving than arms
mild thunder
at least i can respect a good arcane mage lmao
wheat jay
at least i can respect a good arcane mage lmao
no
wheat jay
I would rather que into arms warrior on my rogue, enhance, ret, and ww
bruh
mage does nothing to you when you play rogue
and you shit on mage
wheat jay
arms shits on everything you do as a rogue, as an enh, as a ww
lavish quest
hpal, outlaw, ww, sv runs it secondary, idk about healers
So things no one plays
mild thunder
does popularity matter now? lol
boreal stone
i mean
mild thunder
those specs still run mostly or partially crit
lavish quest
Yes, because if no one's playing it, then no one's running crit
mild thunder
warrior is the noob class
wheat jay
warrior is the noobstomper class
warrior is a noob class*
lavish quest
wheat jay
fixed it for you
boreal stone
UR SO MAD RN HAHAHAHA
mild thunder
dude ngl you've been malding about arms being bad for over an hour... i dont think artji is the mad one
lavish quest
If you don't want to die to a warrior, just walk away from it
wheat jay
how am I the mad one here?
boreal stone
I mean ur saying arms is more aids to que into than mage
wheat jay
because it is
lavish quest
because it is
Huh????
boreal stone
has anyone ever woken up and said, yes, i really want a frost mage in my next solo shuffle
mild thunder
because it is
boreal stone
besides hunters
mild thunder
b-b-b-but the roots!!!
boreal stone
idk what kind of frost mages ur queing ino
into
but not a single mage spec is touchable
lavish quest
1200 frost mages 
grand scaffold
tf frost mage is easy to kill