pvp

[mild thunder]

Just the cringe ones

[spice hornet]

they are literally immortal

with a disc now

they were already borderline immortal with disc last ssnn

now nothing dies

[mild thunder]

I might try scatterplay

Or thug

Jungle gonna be even worse this season and I cba

[thick reef]

Btw how do you intervene? Do you mouseover on friendly nameplates or macro partymembers?

[sharp meteor]

Bind for each teammate is preferable.

[thick reef]

I feel like mouserover is way faster

Don't you kinda run out of good keybinds?

[umbral blaze]

No rend? Do we tc single target?

[distant hazel]

Dh damge still feels stupid

[severe skiff]

It is, they need to adjust unbound chaos/chaotic disposition and maybe even nerf throwglaive/soulscar a bit more before you start to feel it

[ivory ice]

I dont think it feels that crazy, it prob seems the same because more ppl have the 2pc now

and the dh tier is a big buff for them

[tiny dagger]

better to go for the haste cloak or the mastery cloak as arms ? im sitting at 27%haste but only 21% mastery atm

[mild thunder]

Where you getting this info

Dh tier is ass

All it does is save an occasional global

[ivory ice]

dh tier is not ass it makes the hunt even more nasty and the 2pc just makes objectively more dps, dont get me wrong it isn't the best tier in the game by any means but it's a pretty strong buff

[spice hornet]

Dh still #1 dmg

[mild thunder]

Comparative to most other tier sets, it is ass

[spice hornet]

Crazy

[mild thunder]

Objectively more dps =/= huge buff

[ivory ice]

It's not even that bad, you act like once everybody gets 4pc dh will be dethroned or smth they will still be putting crazy deep out and even more burst w/ the hunt

[mild thunder]

Did I say that?

[ivory ice]

^

[mild thunder]

Yea…

Those two sentences are not the same…

They don’t imply each other

Dh damage is good
Dh probably needs another round of tuning
Dh tier bonus is not amazing

All these things can be true

[ivory ice]

yes and? If their mediocre at least tier won't affect how insane they are when ppl have full tier then why beef bout it

[thick reef]

Warrior is way stronger I think now, just because we have insane pvp utility

Blizz rly improved us so much this patch

It's unreal

[mild thunder]

All I was saying is pointing out that dh tier is not a big buff like you said… they’re not getting as much out of the next few weeks as most other specs

[bright stream]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit#gid=8138119
its upper mid tier in terms of gains

[thick reef]

The fury set bonus is mad good

For pvp

[spice hornet]

Yes I’t is

[thick reef]

I prefer to play arms though

[mild thunder]

Dude, you need to stop trying to use pve sims for pvp

It doesn’t correlate

[spice hornet]

There are a lot of strong things atm

[bright stream]

it approximates reasonably well for some classes

dh is one of them

'the high uptime pressure classes'

[thick reef]

It's funny, because for PvE I hate it and for pvp I love it 😂

[rotund trellis]

let's talk embellishments: conduit or tethr?

[mild thunder]

No, it doesn’t

All the tier is nerfed by 50%, but those 50% nerfs are weirdly inconsistent between classes. Raw dps isn’t really what’s important for pvp, and builds obviously vary between pve and PvP

There are so many reasons it’s not 1:1, idk how you don’t understand

[bright stream]

the word approximate does not mean 1:1

and raw dps is extremely important for high uptime pressure classes

[ivory ice]

dawg this isn't fyrakk just spam a bunch of buttons on dh and you will output big dik dps

[bright stream]

eh, if one dh is pumping and the other is sandbagging dps by 10%, it could make a difference, especially if everything else is about the same

its kinda like saying gear doesnt matter

it does, even 1-2 pieces can make a difference

[mild thunder]

Also, unless I’m reading this wrong (I’m in my phone, so might be), dh is literally one of the worst lmao

3.8% dps gain

[ivory ice]

Idk if you know much about programming but they use a lot of if then statements in programming, pvp has A LOT of if then statements. Pve has literally 0 if then statements and you will know what will happen every single time if you trained for the encounter enough. Simming wont deal with what will happen when you get kidney'd right after popping the hunt, idk whats so hard to get about that for you

[bright stream]

feral, arcane, ele, and hunter specs better, rest worse

[spice hornet]

am in the pve channel?

[bright stream]

I'm a professional and qualified game and web developer

[ivory ice]

and?

continue

[bright stream]

its not if statements

[mild thunder]

Also why are half the classes in the game not even there lol

“When we don’t include most specs in the game, dh tier is the best”

[bright stream]

oh you gotta scroll down, I just didnt bother

[spice hornet]

@bright stream You are given an array of k linked-lists lists, each linked-list is sorted in ascending order.

Merge all the linked-lists into one sorted linked-list and return it.

RIGHT NOW NO CHEATING

[bright stream]

I figured you'd figure that out

[bright stream]

ordered on what property? I'll just use linq for it, c# baby!

also fuck leetcode/dynamic programming

[spice hornet]

https://leetcode.com/problems/merge-k-sorted-lists/

using c shart for leetcode

lol

shiggy

[bright stream]

whats sad

is I think in about 12-18 months

to take a crack at my next career step I've gotta do some leetcode

😦

[spice hornet]

yeah its lame

[mild thunder]

He’s a professional and qualified game and web developer, sir 🤓

[bright stream]

I love that he was trying to tell me it was if statements

this isn't terraria

wow is dev'd by real programmers

[mild thunder]

I love that you tried to apply pve sims to PvP (again) and then cut off 80% of the tier sets to try and prove a point

And are still trying to ignore it

[spice hornet]

you like nullables?

[bright stream]

here are the remaining classes fuck you're lazy

you can add outlaw and fury to the list of better than - sub too

[mild thunder]

Ignoring the 23% gain on sub

[bright stream]

so we've got what 8* better, and what 16* worse?

[tiny dagger]

anyone know how to make a macro that will use medallion if equipped and will to survive if it isnt ?

[spice hornet]

why are we talking about pve spreadsheets

[bright stream]

old mate was trying to say that dh tier was bad

its not

[spice hornet]

but how can a pve sim apply to pvp

where we aren't hitting a target dummy

and the tier is nerfed

[bright stream]

just raw numbers is mid, and someone was saying its good for pvp scenarios

[spice hornet]

and other factors

[bright stream]

only sorta useful, mainly for some classes

which I've said like 3 times now?

[mild thunder]

9* still lying kekw
You’re also counting tanks, not accounting for builds, how the tiers operate or any other variable

[bright stream]

if you're a class that gets pve level uptime, and rely on damage as a win condition, the sims are reasonable to look at

that's not a lot of classes, but dh is one of them

[ivory ice]

^^ builds is hella true, there's a lot of build diversity with some classes rn

[mild thunder]

Idk, it’s a waste of time trying to explain the difference to this guy

Also ngl dh gets kited as much or more than warrior by anyone with roots

[bright stream]

I understand your point of view, you should think a little bit more about it and realise that there's more context to it, and there's other information to look at

[mild thunder]

I’m not the one trying to hand-wave all the PvP variables to say “pve=pvp”

I don’t think I’m the one that needs to add context

[bright stream]

the pvp game is built on the pve game, they are intimately related - with some pvp playstyles and damage profiles being much closer to the pve side of things. That's not an opinon, that's a reality about the way the game is built.
You're too busy trying to push the idea that they're completely unrelated to notice where they meet or get close enough.

[ivory ice]

maybe in classic they were?

not rlly close to each other like at all anymore, way too many variables in pvp

[bright stream]

they use coefficients to modify the damage of abilities, and add pvp talents. So its PvE class with an X damage modifier, + 3 abilities.

the significant bulk of each spec is based on the pve implementation.

[mild thunder]

You literally haven’t responded to or accounted for any of the relevant factors I mentioned - build variety, inconsistent pvp modifiers, centralised vs non-centralised damage, actual use in pvp or anything like that

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

You literally just posted pve sims, lied about them, and then said “SEE??????”

[leaden lynx]

bad wep :<

[mild thunder]

Even goose, the guy I was arguing with, didn’t buy it lmao

[bright stream]

you havent really made any point - now if DH has significant PvP modifiers, that might be worth talking about

[mild thunder]

Dh doesn’t have significant PvP modifiers?

[bright stream]

I didn't lie, I gave you the source, and gave you a summary of it, and you were too stupid/lazy to read it

[mild thunder]

You gave a false summary with a screenshot that left out most of the data

[bright stream]

does it? How significant? Is this another one of your 'experience' based opinions?

[mild thunder]

You can literally go check all PvP mods on drustvar right now

[bright stream]

you had the original source - you could have read it for yourself

[mild thunder]

Pretty much every class in the game has significant pvp tuning

[mild thunder]

Yea, this is super disingenuous… providing a source doesn’t excuse lying about info obtained from said source

[bright stream]

you're clutching at straws
https://drustvar.com/pvp-spells
throw glaive isnt modified, 20% on the hunt, so treating it at similar gains is reasonable (it might actually be better in pvp because other abilities are nerfed but TG isnt)

I can explain how that works mathwise if you don't get what I'm saying

[mild thunder]

Throw glaive literally got PvP nerfs last reset

With additional nerfs to the hunt

But ok chief

[mild thunder]

Yup

[clever ridge]

hi guys

i have 2 handed wepaon on vault but its not Bis

[gaunt notch]

free two handed weapon though

[mild thunder]

In regards to the actual 50% “flat” tier set nerfs in PvP - they’re weirdly inconsistent. Probably because there’s no PvP devs to actually tune them individually. Some classes are also able to abuse tier sets more than others, like feral with wild attunement

[spice hornet]

When are @mild thunder and @bright stream gonna fuck

[mild thunder]

Some tier sets provide more centralised damage (like feral, survival or mm) as opposed to non-centralised damage… so even if there are two tier sets that give roughly equal overall damage, one is going to be noticeably more impactful in PvP

[mild thunder]

After I’m done with your mum

[bright stream]

9+3.479 = 12.5%

that seems huge to me

maybe unholy dk is dogwater at like +2-3% for the 2set

[mild thunder]

“That seems huge to me”

• has nothing to compare it to

[clever ridge]

ah lucky

[bright stream]

I mean, I immediately compared it to unholy dk 2set but whatever

[mild thunder]

Have you accounted for how the uhdk tier set behaves in PvP? Do you know if people even build around it? Did you account for magus nerfs in PvP?

Did you account for how that damage is spread in their profile

[green moon]

away from crafting helm, what should be our next items to get for conquest? (excluding weapon for obvious reasons)

[mild thunder]

Once you have the important pieces - tier, weapon, crated - it doesn’t matter

Ig you can buy items that are also stat upgrades

If there are any

[bright stream]

that's tested on live

in arenas using logs

[green moon]

got chest, gloves, boots, weapon, and will craft helm this week

[scarlet flame]

i got 1 spark can you get 2 in 1 day or nah

[bright stream]

and its very easy to test, because all magus damage comes from the set piece

[mild thunder]

You tested this in arenas right now? Over how many arenas? In how many games did you play optimally and how often did you play sub-optimally?

[mild thunder]

Also not sure what your even trying to say. Magus does damage on its own too, no? It’s only nerfed by 50% in PvP

[bright stream]

not if you don't have the magus talent it doesnt

[clever ridge]

guys i stock idk take my Mace or just buy a vers-mas polream from trophy vendor

[mild thunder]

Fair enough.

Still haven’t accounted for literally anything else

[bright stream]

oh I always play optimally, over 100 rounds 🙂

zero mistakes ever

[mild thunder]

Obviously I don’t expect you to test any of that, but hopefully you see the point that you just can’t compare pve to pvp like that

Or at least shouldn’t

Because it’s not particularly accurate and you’ll get flawed results

[bright stream]

you're trying to teach me something I learned a decade ago lmao

[bright stream]

yeah, this is why I used the word approximate from the beginning

[mild thunder]

If you learned it, you should try and apply it

[ivory ice]

long division moment

[bright stream]

are those also just nested if statements?

😛

[ivory ice]

huh

[bright stream]

hence why I said it is only applicable to some classes

and that its not many

[mild thunder]

This seems like a classic example of backing yourself into a corner with a ludicrously bad take and then trying until your dying breath to defend it

[bright stream]

sorry I shouldn't give you a hard time for trying to explain some code stuff

[ivory ice]

i never claimed i knew how to program

[bright stream]

I have no qualms being wrong - which is why I gave you ground on the modifiers

once you actually presented something worth engaging with

[mild thunder]

You realise saying a tier set is good or bad is a comparative statement, right? You can’t say dh is good without accurate data on the rest

[bright stream]

right, one of the best ways to figure out if its good

would be to chat to people using it right?

[mild thunder]

Not necessarily, no

[bright stream]

provided theyre reasonably competent I think it is definitely

[mild thunder]

Once you provide qualifiers, sure

[bright stream]

another would be to test it yourself - though who has time for that

[mild thunder]

Also not necessarily, no

[bright stream]

ven seemed to think its pretty good for example, should I take his opinion over yours, or yours over his, or maybe look into it a bit further to see if there are other things to consider?

[bright stream]

yeah don't stress about it, I'm too involved talking nonsense with gala

[mild thunder]

Does Ven main dh? Nope

[bright stream]

but neither do you?

[mild thunder]

Nope

[bright stream]

so what you're saying is that your opinion isnt good here?

[mild thunder]

What do pvp dh mains think of the tier set?

[bright stream]

I'm waiting for the answer on their discord

asked a few moments ago

[mild thunder]

If my opinion was based solely on myself, sure it’d be less reliable

[scarlet flame]

how do you get your second spark

[mild thunder]

Thankfully it isn’t

[ivory ice]

i think it's great

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder what did you get out of your vault

[bright stream]

dont you gotta wait another week?

[mild thunder]

A big sword for your mum

[scarlet flame]

actually?

[mild thunder]

Yep

[bright stream]

WAIT

[scarlet flame]

no? people have crafted boots and helm rn

[scarlet flame]

unreal bro gz

[mild thunder]

[bright stream]

isnt fucking everyone a high ranked DH this season?

arent all our opinions gods word?

[ivory ice]

I think there's a quest in central encampment idk tho I only have 1/2 of my second spark

[bright stream]

ohshit

nahhh really?

[scarlet flame]

yes

[bright stream]

I thought it was week 1 campaign, + 1 in a box

and week 2 another box

[scarlet flame]

mag has boots and helm crafted already

[bright stream]

shit wheres number 4 come from

[green moon]

since the cap is only 550+ would be smart to get something like ring, and wait next week to get legs if not lucky from vault?

[bright stream]

what have you got so far?

[green moon]

weapon, boots (craft) helm (craft) , gloves tier, chest tier

[scarlet flame]

how did you get the sparks to craft the helm

[green moon]

superbloom is 1k rep + planting a seed 500

it's the faster way to get the second splint with weekly quest

[bright stream]

o the quest is weekly

[scarlet flame]

what do those words mean

[bright stream]

ooooooo

[bright stream]

quest for rep gives a splinter

you can do the superbloom event and plant a seed for 1500 rep towards

[green moon]

yep

[scarlet flame]

okay so its the weekly tree shit that gives it?

[green moon]

it gives from the bag in the weekly 1500 rep quest

[scarlet flame]

im in a bg so idk which quest that is atm

[green moon]

a worthy ally is named

or something like that

[scarlet flame]

ahh ok

[bright stream]

where u pick it up?

[green moon]

at central encampment

in the emeral dream

[urban skiff]

Called it! Weapon first vault

get it 100% of the time if you put an expensive enchant on your weapon

[rotund trellis]

grats

[green moon]

grats!

[scarlet flame]

didn't work for me but gz

[urban skiff]

Wasted on a fury

[scarlet flame]

damn trophy weapon just worse than conq wep too

unlucky

[green moon]

btw, verdant conduit embelishment in helm right?

at least everyone i've seen is using that one

[urban skiff]

Think I might craft a ring next

I have up to 21 days until 4set

[scarlet flame]

what is the helm embelish called

[urban skiff]

which one?

[scarlet flame]

nvm foun dit

[urban skiff]

not sure what weapon enchants to run as fury

[spice hornet]

when is sarena gonna correctly track trinekts agian?

nvm im cooked

it does now

[pale minnow]

What's the story behind these gala(xy) names?

[urban skiff]

someone cut off the oxygen to this channel for a few minutes and now there's brain damage everywhere

[leaden rune]

these ss que times can fuck off aye

[mild thunder]

When is blizz gonna fix the dumbass trinket change

[mild thunder]

I run a cult and these are my acolytes

[urban skiff]

we getting a catalyst charge next reset or did we get one this?

[scarlet flame]

next

[mystic prairie]

thanks blizzard...

[scarlet flame]

do you already have the legs and gloves?

[pale minnow]

Deffinitely he has them

[late oar]

what ring emb are arms folks using this season? I had the mastery one before but seems like some are using the weapon damage stacking one

[green sequoia]

lol honestly male gnome isnt bad with the mog lol

[scarlet flame]

Gnome is trash all the time wym

[pure hornet]

Lol magnusz lucky as fccc

[scarlet flame]

Also idk why I do it to myself but the wow pvp Reddit is so fucking regarded

[pure hornet]

Freee weapon, around 10 items..

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, but so is wow twitter, the forums, etc.

[scarlet flame]

Yeah true

I think everyone on that sub is either a healer or a caster and they’re all sub 1400

[sharp meteor]

WoW pvp reddit is similar to the anonymous classic or level 10 alts on the official forums where it's just people with no exp stating nonsense as fact because they're not climbing. 😅

[mild thunder]

And the discords

[weak wedge]

Other choices are crit neck, crit helm, socket

[magic wing]

Cope

[simple rock]

can I say something

the normal raid warrior set looks good

every other variation is ass though

[mild thunder]

Then just take one of the others? It’s not that bad

[slender lion]

Does this set make fatal mark mandatory?

[mild thunder]

No, but you should be running fatality anyway

[weak wedge]

Yup

[slender lion]

That's the one. Yeah I swapped the no cd execute for jt

[mild thunder]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-zoom-in-close-up-head-antenna-gif-8070778

[slender lion]

Also running TC now n feels real nice. I also remember rend now hah

[quick sinew]

How do you guys deal with casters in solo shuffle. Especaily mages. I feel like i cant let them free cast but i cant stick on them either

[robust hearth]

Disgusting

[robust hearth]

How so

[robust hearth]

Ur DH partner should be running reverse magic and needs to be dispelling you

Other than that use avatar on roots

And roll gnome

[quick sinew]

Mesnt more like for solo shuffle. I actually hate my life againdt mages

[robust hearth]

For tht extra break roots racial

Now if u were fury (its bad) u go blood rage pvp talent to break roots

[robust hearth]

U haven't been partnered with DHs in solo shuffle?

[quick sinew]

I am fury. But def gonns swap to arms

Only sometimes xD

[paper coyote]

@urban skiff update on ur grind?

[quick sinew]

Arms wants crit gear right?

[robust hearth]

[robust hearth]

Crit is hella nerfed in pvp

[paper coyote]

[quick sinew]

Yh thats why im asking.

[paper coyote]

Just google it bruv

[quick sinew]

Dude every side says another thing.

[paper coyote]

Which sites

Show me

[quick sinew]

Wowhead

[robust hearth]

If any1 tells u to go crit for any class in pvp they trolling u

[paper coyote]

Crit = haste

haste = crit

Just go haste for faster rage + button smashing

[quick sinew]

Oke ty

[paper coyote]

U should read further

[mild thunder]

Wowhead PvP section doesn’t get updated

They fired all their PvP writers

[robust hearth]

Isn't archimtiros the writer?

@elfin surge be the new wowhead pvp guidewriter kthxbye

[quick sinew]

I dont see this anywhere

[mild thunder]

No

He’s the pve writer

PvP writer was joefernandes iirc

But yea none of the PvP sections have been updated since SL, they should seriously take it down

[robust hearth]

Who?

[heady olive]

are we going 4 set arms? got shoulders in vault but not sure if i should take chest and convert it instead

[robust hearth]

Nah gotta let the scrubs get misinformed so they rage on forums how everything else is unbalanced and that's y they ain't climbing

[marble bone]

Hm, actually difficult - tier leggs, or helmet with socket I can turn into tier

from vault

[quick sinew]

So icy veins is fine for pvp information?

[mild thunder]

Yes

[quick sinew]

Thanks

[marble bone]

Any input on this one? I haven't used any conq yet, and have the catalyst charge ready. Taking tier legs gives me the option to get 4 piece tier next week. But the socket is kinda nice aswell though.

[mild thunder]

Would you rather a big advantage next week or a tiny advantage for the next 6 weeks

[marble bone]

good point

[mild thunder]

One little socket isn’t gonna do a whole lot

[heady olive]

are you going 4 set with helm or shoulders?

[robust hearth]

Whatever gets him to 2100 the fastest

[marble bone]

Dont think anything gets me to 2100 (except my visa card), I'm way too casual. Play like a couple of hours here and there lol

[mild thunder]

Imo you should be crafting helmet now and taking tier shoulders, but swapping later in the season when you have extra conquest

[faint pumice]

Do we craft shoulder?

[marble bone]

Isnt the crafted helmet nerfed?

for pvp

[heady olive]

sounds good man thanks

[mild thunder]

Craft the verdant helmet, not infurious

[robust hearth]

Idk I'm pushing on my DH atm after i get 2100 then i'll work on my war

[marble bone]

aaah ofc

[robust hearth]

Love all the rage whispers I get

[mild thunder]

Reality is all the non-boots embellishments are meh, but crafting a helmet now will put you a piece ahead

[faint pumice]

Like our set shoulder is full crit, no vers

[robust hearth]

For playing a class every1 has access to

[sage raptor]

friendly reminder to send death threats to all DH players

[marble bone]

I had a friend who rerolled DH this patch. Had

[pure hornet]

How is magnus so lucky.. most items possible

[empty arch]

lol, catalyst is not open this week 😄

no 4set for anyone

[pure hornet]

How do tou craft verdant helm? Is not helm craft Primal Molten?

[empty arch]

recraft your old primal with new spark

[pure hornet]

It works?

How did magnusz soketed rings????

[robust hearth]

I got 1 a couple.of hours ago, it was really bad I got screenshot but afraid if I post ill get banned

I'll dm u

[open glacier]

So, PvP ilvl ítems has changed in pvp

Elite is hero, 1600 is champion and vendor is veteran

If you do some arenas, does It change to the rating you are?

Not played this week yet and the ítems in the vendor appear as "unranked" and "veteran"

But im 1600 from last week

[clever ridge]

elite or hero they have no different in pvp yeah? only pve ilvl

[marble bone]

ye only pve

[near delta]

They're crafted green rings from the auction house. Automatically come with sockets.

[open glacier]

Only pve exactly

But the haste-str trinket is amazing

And a weapon could help at start

[marble scaffold]

How do you guys deal with BM Hunters?

[pure hornet]

What pvp ilvl?

[near delta]

Umm something like 463. It's less than the honor ones so it's a tradeoff.

[green moon]

Guys I got 34% haste and 23% mastery in pvp, should I drop haste for mastery? Or just go full haste. There is any breakpoint?

[quaint snow]

socket angle?7

[thick reef]

Why

Isn't head piece tier kinda decent?

[quaint snow]

i heard we go for crafted helm

[thick reef]

Yeah we do for sure

But I don't think the small difference in stat distribution is worth missing out on 875 conquest 2nd week

Unless you are thinking in the long run

[quaint snow]

i took the socket

[brisk comet]

i have a question about the free tier piece i can buy with my token, i do both pvp and pve, is there any reason i shouldnt buy the pvp shoulders vs the pve shoulders? they are both hero track but one just works in pvp

[quaint snow]

my other warrior got chest atleast

[thick reef]

I hate tbh how vault rng can put you 1800 conquest behind someone else

[quaint snow]

yeah its crazy… 😦

[quaint snow]

depends, if you do more pvp than pve i would go for the pvp one

[brisk comet]

is there a rating requirement to upgrade the pvp tier pieces or anything?

if i want to use them in pve

sorry i just dont get why they are separate sets and both hero track

[quaint snow]

i dont know

[marble bone]

I'd take the piece for the content you focus the most on

[quaint snow]

another question maybe someone knows? I converted chest to pvp tier, now i cant convert anymore - shouldnt i had 2 pieces to convert this week since i didnt use catalyst last week?

[marble bone]

no, just one

its one every second week

[quaint snow]

ahhhh good

thanks

i thought i ultra gimped myself

[marble bone]

And ye rank matters when upgrading PvP gear to PvE ilvls, my unranked DK can upgrade to max 463 (Veteran gear)

[brisk comet]

alright thanks

[spiral elbow]

yoo
as fury, should i buy conq weap and weap for ToS? or buy tier piece (have one atm from vault)

[thick reef]

Lol I got crit 2h weapon in vault on my pvp char

[crimson onyx]

Anyone know where to find info on what ilvl/updrage path different ratings provide on PvP items?

Doing both PvE and PvP and want to evaluate if i can motivate taking a PvP tier set to work in both 😄

For eg, what ilvl/upgrade path (Champion, hero etc) is challenger/challenger II

[fast meteor]

whats the best conquest weap for arms right now?

[marble bone]

Sword, mace got crit

We dont like crit

[fast meteor]

we dont like crit anymore O.O thats good to know

[marble bone]

Crit is nerfed in pvp

So we do a balance with mastery and haste

[fast meteor]

ic ic so not even as fury you would like crit correct?

[marble bone]

Crit is only 150% in pvp, not 200%

Dno about fury tbh, never play it :p

[fast meteor]

thanks for the info tho 😄

[sage raptor]

All of you

[paper coyote]

[gilded ocean]

what are we getting for 2nd embellishment as arms?

[empty arch]

anything you like, most likely the 590 mastery silken lining

[gilded ocean]

ait ty

[fickle forge]

They did, they're all fired I believe

[vivid pumice]

which weapon do i go for

sword or mace

[tribal wedge]

sword

[near delta]

Fury is all about getting as much mastery as possible

[wheat jay]

sooooo ye dh is stillbroken

have fun guys

im having mine

[elder sparrow]

Should I get hellbloom weapon and hope for conq out of vault or save up and buy conq?

[marble bone]

personally I took the hellbloom, and bought other pieces for conq this week. Its only 3 ilvls 🤷

[elder sparrow]

what did you buy for conq? I have helm and shoulders and 1350 conq

[thick reef]

Could it be worth to drop fatality for precision with 2 set?

[marble bone]

neck, cloak and bracers, just doing all the cheap stuff first, hoping the vault will provide the more expensive stuff. Dno if its the best way to go about it though

[scarlet flame]

yeah they're still doing insane damage lmao

[lavish quest]

And we're all "shocked"

[frosty nexus]

got this in vault on one of my warrs instead of sword

game is trolling me rn

😩

[wheat jay]

You know what's best

Its unlikely to get nerfed any further xD

[livid ridge]

You can sacrifice 6 ilevel and get the Strife 483 Polearm for Mastery

[scarlet barn]

You

[wheat jay]

[wheat jay]

No u

[sharp meteor]

I thoght trophy pieces were 3 ilevs lower.

[livid ridge]

Tomato tomato. perhaps its just 3. Its still a great filler while you wait for Conq cap to extend out!

[frosty nexus]

yea im thinking about it

maybe its worth with crit though...... no fkin idea

[livid ridge]

Sim the crit + 3 ilevel of stats versus the mastery and -3 ilevels of stat, gives you a rough sketch

[short cedar]

Lads, how we looking for our second embelishment on top of the boots. Seeing how the new helmet seemingly doesnt go with the PvP ilvl increase

Or am I daft and we're just going Primal molten helmet with Verdant Conduit?

[normal aurora]

Do we craft shoulder as no tier piece? Looks like tier shoulders r worst stat wise

[limber relic]

Imo yes

[mystic prairie]

Do I need T3 mats for the item to end up 463 ilvl for PvE?

[normal aurora]

U craft helm for arms?

[mystic prairie]

Mud and Magnusz did so yes xd

[normal aurora]

I wonder why

Tier head is much better then tier shoulders

[real nova]

Seifcham said shoulders

[normal aurora]

I think so too, shoulders have too much crit on it and little of haste, if we value mastery over crit, then we take tier helm with no tier shoulders

Stat vise crafting shoulders is better, can someone explain why they crafted helm?

[rotund trellis]

token for helm is free, for shoulders you need to buy it with conquest you don't have right now

[scarlet flame]

Yeah lmao

[normal aurora]

fk thats it, somehow didnt consider that 😄 Thanx, but i guess eventually we go for shoulders right?

[opal acorn]

so we build helm and buy weapon? or u go wiht trophy weapon?

[rotund trellis]

I won't craft shoulders until very late, which makes it irrelevant for now

[spice hornet]

I craftedhelm as well

It’s free

[normal aurora]

Ye, but i mean absolute bis will be shoulders?

[spice hornet]

You can swap to shoulders later

Shoulders are gonna cost conq and with tier rng it’s a risk

[rotund trellis]

absolute bis is something you won't consider for weeks, only when you have no other ways to spend conquest

and even then, depends on your goals. You can get to 2000 even without minmaxing, and I mean right now.

[mystic prairie]

anyone can answer this? ↑

[real nova]

when does the conquest cap go away?

[robust hearth]

@sage raptor tf u mean how? It's BM they garbage 😂

If u struggling against BM hunters as a warrior.... its a skill issue

[rotund trellis]

all that counts is that the missive is rank 3, for PVE who cares

[robust hearth]

First, kill the main pet

[sharp meteor]

Hey, titles went out.

[robust hearth]

Then wait for hunter to turtle and cast revive pet

Stun hunter after turtle is gone and kill him

[spice hornet]

Congrats you degen

[robust hearth]

Filthy animal

[spice hornet]

His reward for r1 prot is being banned from this channel

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[robust hearth]

Yo..

I should do solo shuffle as prot

[rotund trellis]

big congrats

[robust hearth]

Just for easy legend

[sharp meteor]

Funny meme but I forgot to do legend wins last season.

[robust hearth]

[spice hornet]

[elfin surge]

did u get it as prot

[sharp meteor]

Yes, on 4 Warriors.

[elfin surge]

Mustve been real hard pushing 2k fighting those 1800 players

"r1 title" lmao

[sharp meteor]

2k was actually probably the hardest area because it's so full of augs/mages all of which make any lobby a 0-6

2300-2500ish got a lot more cozy.

[spice hornet]

LOL

[spice hornet]

This should be allowed

Shouldn’t

[sharp meteor]

It was a fun little project.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it had me nervous, lmao.

[elfin surge]

shuffle r1 means nothing but somehow means less when tanks can get the title fighting at 2k

[sharp meteor]

So true. God, so many awful, unplayable lobbies.

[spice hornet]

Did mud get shuffle r1

Or did he get put in the mud

@sharp meteor need that prot shuffle rage whisper compilation

[sharp meteor]

There honestly weren't too many. I got a lot more on Blood, usually from Monks because my Death Grip prevents them from rolling for 8 seconds and has a 15 sec CD with 2 charges.

[spice hornet]

Average ww monk player

Activities

[sharp meteor]

Usually it was either "wtf why is prot so insane" or "why is your spec so useless" depending on if I was in a physical or magical lobby.

[rough raven]

Is Gladius still the preferred addon for arena frames, or does anyone know how fatalarenaframes is?

Only reason I ask is because for some reason the Blizzard Arena keeps popping up although I have it disabled, and it bothers me

[spice hornet]

People still use gladius yeah

But a lot have shifted to sarena and gladiusex mix

[mystic prairie]

use addon "Arena Anti-Malware" to never see blizz arena frames

[spice hornet]

Based Ty

[rough raven]

Thank you!

[sharp meteor]

I've been using sarena but might be an okay idea to use another one.

[spice hornet]

I’ll fork it and maintain it

YOLO

[mystic prairie]

sArena Updated 2 by sammers

[warm portal]

Theres some guy updating it again if you still want to use it

[sharp meteor]

Oh, spiffy. I hate change.

[warm portal]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/sarena-edited-by-sammers

I use it, works like normal

[elfin surge]

yes, obviously.

[marble scaffold]

yeah thats why i'm asking, new to pvp and arms

[sharp meteor]

Not charging into master's call helps, and then there's just trying to avoid overlapping too much of your mobility/stuns in maintaining uptime. Also you will sometimes lose uptime, just try to avoid having it be during periods of increased damage. Like, don't csmash if you don't have bolt or a charge/leap to make sure you stick damage during that period.

In general I feel like Arms tears BM apart right now but there's always the rest of the game to consider, like their rdruid rake stunning, their ret/disc, etc.

[sage raptor]

Is it obvious? You're pretty bad.

[elfin surge]

Is it obvious? You're pretty bad.

[sage raptor]

Is it obvious? You're pretty bad.

I bet you don't even eat gorilla chow. Your gains will never increase.

It's time to get ripped

[pure hornet]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/tarren-mill/Davidpvp

I have 7 items.. how dafuq did magnusz get 9??

[marble scaffold]

Alright, that helps. Thanks!

[rare oak]

Hey is unhinged still worth it or just run hurricane now?

[livid ridge]

I run Hurricane because with all the procs you get anyways with Execute and MS, the extra strength puts your damage a bit higher during burst windows. Plus if you run Torment, you get that bonus twice.

[rotund trellis]

hurricane gives me kills. i pick hurricane

[livid ridge]

I am by NO means an expert tho so I just play until I get stomped, then I switch it up

[wanton vault]

i got the helm from vault. what to craft now? 😄

[rare oak]

sheeeeet

[rotund trellis]

what other options you got?

[rare oak]

Also found that arms feels a bit weaker than before. Not bad, just compared to everything else not really as good. Idk whether that means we're undertuned or other stuff is overtuned or what-have-you.

[wanton vault]

dont know what i can craft right now

[livid ridge]

Ive had really only issues with Fire mages

[livid ridge]

But my window of experience is small

[urban skiff]

still haven't played since last time. But I did get a mastery weapon in vault so I'm ahead in the gear-grind.

[wanton vault]

do u have any ideas?

[rotund trellis]

I mean from the vault, did you pick the helm already?

and WHY

[wanton vault]

i had to choose between helm or socket

[rotund trellis]

so you picked the helm already? also whats socket, wym.

you had only one vault slot opening?

[wanton vault]

no 3, but the other options were trash with crit

[rotund trellis]

is the helm a set piece? or just normal?

[warm portal]

you guys think about your gear too much just pick something or dont and go hit people

[wanton vault]

normal

[wanton vault]

maybe your right ^^

[rotund trellis]

then you can use that and the crafted ring + boots, buy Wpvp weapon with strife tokens and legs and chest from conquest vendor. Then transform legs to set piece with catalyst. Then buy set gloves with 1600 token.

[magic wing]

True

Pick fear with knockback and delete mfs

[rare oak]

Im already tired of fistweaver 😩

[warm portal]

tired of killing them? yeah.

[wanton vault]

hm ok. what ring we will use? 🙂

[rare oak]

They don't seem to take damage.

Then again I got stuck in a 2v2 because the rogue died

[warm portal]

feel like if they sit on you and you drag them onto their teammate(s) you just cleave down their entire team and they inevitably lose

[elder island]

what helm is everyone crafting? The embellished ones seem ass

[wanton vault]

Signet of Titanic Insight with blue silk linen?

[warm portal]

Primal Molten maybe

[rare oak]

holy shit I forgot they buffed frost mage

that shit hurts.

[robust hearth]

[rare oak]

Ngl I miss when we built crit.

[mystic prairie]

do we go all in with conquest this week or still save up for anything? those who got jackshit from the vault at least (literally 6tokens for socket slot is the best option lmao)

[rare oak]

Feels really good getting crits when it rarely happens for me.

[stoic terrace]

Hello all this is my very first time in this discord and my very first time ever playing warrior, I strictly PvP and always play caster and I think it's about time I shred some faces up close and personal! Now I see that there is a sticky to the PvP guide but my question is... how is fury right now in PvP?! 😊 thank you 🙏🏼

[urban skiff]

They're all kinda bad, so I'm going with the thorns helm just to try something new

[urban skiff]

Fury is fun
Fury is easy
Fury is love
Fury is life

[real nova]

the helm craft is embellished right? or do i use the unembellishing powder on the craft?

[vague crater]

what’s the verdict on the 4th set atm? i dropped set chest from vault and dunno if craft helm and convert shoulders to go 4/4 or go better stats

[elfin surge]

Fury
Arms

[rotund trellis]

b tier. play arms

[stoic terrace]

Dam fury isn't that great huh?

[mystic prairie]

people make it work just fine, no problem going fury

[elfin surge]

fury is horrible

does no damage and dies instantly

provides less utilityb

mega fury cope here guys

[mystic prairie]

mud trashtalking fury and galachad trashtalking warr in general, name a more iconic duo

[elfin surge]

I'll trash talk you next

[mystic prairie]

go ahead, its probably gonna be true anyway

i can roast myself eminem style

[spice hornet]

[warm pivot]

is the vers/mastery sword that you buy with blood tokens worth it over loosing the haste from the honour one?

for arms war

[elfin surge]

yes

mastery isnt bad

but ilvl is huge esp on weapon

[warm pivot]

ok thx! cheers

[wanton vault]

Is the sporecloak still worth it after the nerfs?

[sharp meteor]

Mastery is fine/good.

The only stat you're really avoiding is crit, I think.

Although even crit isn't that bad if pacing/matchup permits.

[sharp meteor]

No.

Probably do the conduit + infurious or something.

[wanton vault]

sword?

[wanton vault]

ty

[indigo tiger]

hey guys can anyone tell me what is the burst dmg rotation for arms warriors with unhinged/without it

[analog merlin]

fury is amazing and i have more success in open world pvp, arenas arms tho

[spice hornet]

Fury is good

[analog merlin]

in solo pvp open world

[spice hornet]

Noob content

[sharp meteor]

The real endgame is random bg winrate and mog.

[robust hearth]

Solo shuffle will die when bg blitz rated comes out

And multiglad healers will sell their services to be ppl's +1 in dou queuing on bg blitz

[real nova]

which embellishment do you use on primal moltern helm craft?

[warm portal]

Verdant Conduit

[rotund trellis]

bg blitz is pure shit

[sharp meteor]

Maybe! I know a lot of healers will prefer the format.

Quite a bit more relaxed, can also play with a friend. 🥰

[dark topaz]

cool

[sharp meteor]

Shouldn't have been a king, king. 👑

[muted surge]

Think so? Everytime I played rbgs the healers complained the most :D

[sharp meteor]

I think a lot of more casual shuffle and rbg healers will like it.

Especially if the dogpiling healers becomes the meta strat and they give them a buff to compensate because it lets healers just sort of chill and spam pve heal.

[fallen estuary]

Guys

Im loving wotlk so much

Im so glad im not in a SS dying to 1shot bullshit

[atomic orchid]

[rough raven]

Alright, so I'm sure most of you know, but I wanna share my knowledge for those who don't: download Hide Objective Tracker!

It was annoying me being in my frames when I'm doing arena or RBG, even with it minimized, it was annoying me. So yeah. Looked it up, and get that, if you don't know.

[dark topaz]

True 👑

[green moon]

after doing several test on dummy on stats (haste vs mastery) i've decided that i would not have to do this if i was a braindead DH, but i like torture

[robust hearth]

bet u cant get rank 1 in the bracket

[lusty spoke]

Maybe a silly question but should i go for the crit or mastery wep ?

[sharp meteor]

Definitely mastery, regardless of spec/build.

[lusty spoke]

thanks

[rotund trellis]

Nice try

[eager hazel]

lfg eu

[spice hornet]

Wrath is so boring and gameplay is so slow and cringe

Plus it’s dead

[wheat jay]

Dh discord got the best memes

[mild thunder]

remember when artji was cool?

[fickle forge]

Can we talk about how @limber relic is deliberately choosing to Q 2s into this DH/MW meta?

[limber relic]

and stil get r1

[wheat jay]

R1 or r1 warrior?

[fickle forge]

R1 mental delirium

[wheat jay]

Cuz that's a big diff

[limber relic]

r1 warr na/eu

r1 general is impossible with these dh/dk ect

[fickle forge]

My guy is deliberately doing this to himself

[wheat jay]

Wack

[limber relic]

i had fun smashing these dhs even tho they were sutpidly op

[wheat jay]

Why torment yourself week 1 of the season

Warr is not weak either

[mild thunder]

C tier

[limber relic]

i mean i had fun 😄

[wheat jay]

Ye ye fr fr no cap

[mild thunder]

when is arms getting buffed frfr

[wheat jay]

Good for you then i guess

[wheat jay]

It already did

They got conq weapon this week

[fickle forge]

Show you game lengths

[mild thunder]

more

more buffs

all the buffs

arms deserves to be SSS++++++++++ tier

again

for the 10th season in a row

[fickle forge]

Can we make IV not be affected by damp again?

Arms needs it

[spice hornet]

Indeed it does, arms is C tier rn

[mild thunder]

can we make overpower a 30% modifier again?

arms needs it

[spice hornet]

Why does it seem like every patch, bm hunters have more abs more pets

This one hunter had like 5 pets on me

Like what

Can’t even see my own character

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[spice hornet]

I hate aussies so much

[mild thunder]

@ mod

this racism isnt acceptable

especially from fatfuck americans

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderator-discord-moderator-delete-moderator-snitch-gif-27063075

[sage plank]

if i get an item crafted with the spark and trophy of conquest, then convert it to tier with the catalyst thingy

will it keep the bonus ilvl in pvp?

[eager hazel]

lfg eu

[green moon]

Is it too crazy to go like this in pvp? should i get some mastery? the tests i've made in dummy shows the more haste i have, the more dps i do but that's not a real test

[sharp meteor]

You can't convert crafted pieces.

[silk mortar]

arms going 4 set or just 2p?

[mild thunder]

Pins

[muted surge]

what are pins

is that another set differnt than raid set ?

[faint pumice]

Guys don’t you think our 2pc is not working?

I do not notice an increase in amount of execute procs I am getting

[spice hornet]

Someone else mentioned that too

Kinda thinking the same now that I think about it

[mild thunder]

[muted surge]

please dont ping me

[mild thunder]

Too bad

So sad

[muted surge]

that invades my privacy

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

Imma invade your mums privacy

[eager hazel]

LFG EU

[wheat jay]

I think he's looking for a warrior for 3s

[muted surge]

i think he is looking for braincells

fucking dhs

[mild thunder]

its ok, he'll probably be an arms main after next round of tuning

[mystic prairie]

I think there's a difference testing on dummies, like when you apply rend to multiple dummies rather than 1, you get SD proc more often. Or at least it felt that way to me

Didn't test "no 2pc" vs "2pc" on dummies tho

[distant hazel]

Isn't the 2set 1min internal CD?

[mild thunder]

no

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

that would be extremely useless

[distant hazel]

Idk where i heard that bit i thought i did

[mild thunder]

the fury tier set has a 1s ICD

[wheat jay]

he won't find any here

[spice hornet]

I googled it and found this, I think it actually is bugged rofl https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/2-piece-sudden-death-proc/1713506/13

[distant hazel]

Yeah got like 1 proc from 3 Thunderclap rolling rends

nice

[mild thunder]

might find some extra chromosomes

[spice hornet]

When is @wheat jay going to be banned from this discord for being a hunter main? Anyone know?

[mild thunder]

i was playing 3s yesterday and ran into this lock named Sintimissi... know anything about that?

[sharp meteor]

Sketchy.

[wheat jay]

nbever cuz im demon hunter main now

also, i was 2k on warrior twice

[spice hornet]

Did you turn on her stream and run one out afterwards?

Rub

[mild thunder]

excuse me??? im loyal to DesiHeat

[spice hornet]

[wet scarab]

My 2 and 4 set are absolutely blasting in mplus it’s beautiful to play

Would test it in arena but they aren’t high enough ilvl yet just a mix of hero gear and a normal piece

[distant hazel]

ya i found the video where this guy says its a proc per min in pvp

[wet scarab]

That’s silly I imagine they’d nerf the thunderclap damage or the bleed after. It’s good in mplus because you always have multiple targets with rend on them. It’d be the same value only in matches with lots of pets

Thunderclap, proc, execute, refresh thunderclap, etc. This cycle doesn’t apply as extensively in arena matches

[magic wing]

Galachad too

[spice hornet]

big facts

[magic wing]

Mfs maining inferior specs while not using said spec’s discord

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet

[spice hornet]

who is that?

[mild thunder]

hmmmmmmmmm

[kind sentinel]

kinda silly but, it will not proc if you don't have sudden death talented

[marble bone]

ye just did a slam on the 5 cleave training dummies, got one proc on first thunder clap rend duration, zero on the next two

[rotund trellis]

If you hate facing mages watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAs7TWjFcbM

[sharp meteor]

😨

[marble bone]

ye, that looks like fun

[sharp meteor]

Gotta be a special kind of scumbag to play Blood in PvP.

[rotund trellis]

mages are one shot machines now btw

frost mages. specifically

[spice hornet]

yeah frost cranks hard

maybe overbuffed

doesnt feel good to fight at all

[spice hornet]

so dumb

couple things need to be tweaked so that this isnt possible

[rotund trellis]

also wtf is going on there's SHIT ton of lag on servers

[spice hornet]

DG should have some DR with itself

and chains need to be redesigned too much cheese sht comes out of dks abusing that

[rotund trellis]

just died for a lag spike, wow live is some fucking dumb server shit

and yeah we back to rogue druid mage meta ya

[keen river]

Anyone have the right setup for Primal Molten Sabatons?

do i add Haste/Vers?

[sharp meteor]

You can add anything other than crit, buddy.

Even haste/mastery is fine if you've got enough vers from elsewhere.

[keen river]

Thank you! Returning from classic, still getting used to everything

[rotund trellis]

dont craft them

[keen river]

?

[fallen estuary]

The abduction dk ive been sayings fucking insane lmao

[rotund trellis]

craft infurious warboots

[fallen estuary]

Im levelin a dk just to do that lmfao

[keen river]

is that what everyone is using? i thought it was the molten sabatons

[spice hornet]

tyrant comes off cd soo fast lel

[wet scarab]

You get spots for 2 crafted embellishments or special effects on crafted gear. The boots are good and the new helm is nice too

Flourishing dream helm

[keen river]

the molten or infurious?

[wet scarab]

Infurious has the built in special effect and it’s what people recommend

It’s a buff whenever you cc basically

That special effect on a crafted piece of gear is called an embellishment and you can have two max at any time

Infurious boots have been meta since last season and this season the flourishing dream helm is also very good so you can make both and use them

[spice hornet]

really well designed spec

[keen river]

thank you for the info! i really do appreciate it

[wet scarab]

No problem. You should have enough sparks of dreams this week to make both (there’s a catch up mechanic if you missed any so they drop from pvp boxes)

[rotund trellis]

I can craft them for you at 5 stars

[keen river]

I just put in a crafting order

[frank knoll]

Naw still bad needs more buffs

[silk mortar]

we take helm or boots first?

for arms

[rotund trellis]

both crafted

I reiterate, mages are DISGUSTING

like literally 16 blinks andd shit witha disc grappling them

makes me wanna puke every match

[delicate parrot]

“PvP gear can now have it's PvE item level be upgraded with flightstones and crests instead of honor.”

Can we still use honor if we want?

[sharp meteor]

No.

[fallen estuary]

TLDR fuck you ~ ❤️ blizzard

the flightstone upgrade shits kinda stupid ngl

also @sharp meteor grats on yo legend

[wheat jay]

You get them from arena

Its basically same as before, you get ALL the upgrade materials by playing arena

[spice hornet]

[wheat jay]

And if you happen to have some more from pve, then you upgrade it faster

[spice hornet]

dabdaddy is so cooked

need to smoke whatever hes smoking

[sharp meteor]

Thanks. 😁 It was a fun little project.

[fallen estuary]

uh oh

here comes the haters

[wheat jay]

Dabdaddy has pure meth going through his veins

[sharp meteor]

Yep, click the little green swirly items in your bags for flightstones and crests.

[wheat jay]

Yep

[fallen estuary]

@wheat jay 100%

[wheat jay]

Exposed crackdaddy

[fallen estuary]

mix in some fentanyl and you got a unstoppable crack beast

[fallen estuary]

wouldnt recommend it

youll be having a 20k dental bill without including 2 wisdom teeth

warriors dont need wisdom. useless buff so rip em out

[wheat jay]

Lmao

I read somewhere that removing wisdom tooth is an evolutionary failure

Cuz people evolve to have thinner jaws

Faster than we can unevolve wisdom teeth

[fallen estuary]

its like a tank shell reloader tbh

if your molar gets extracted

[wheat jay]

Thankfully i dont need to remove mine

[fallen estuary]

boom it shifts in

but it doessnt

and you explode in pain

[fallen estuary]

microsoft employees yea

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Meanwhile strong males still have them cuz they have big ass jaws

[fallen estuary]

my jaws fucking huge

[wheat jay]

Cant have face like a deer

[fallen estuary]

and my tooth decided to snug right at my bottom left fucking molar

and crack it open like a kinder suprise egg

lmao

[wheat jay]

Bad rng then i guess

[fallen estuary]

i was told a estimate of like 2-4k just to remove it in its situation

its literally like beneath my bottom left molar lmfao

like damn ill have that money in 2 weeks just to get that one tooth ripped out of my mouth

[wheat jay]

Fam

My brother had a canal treatment

He paid nothing

Oh sorry, he paid like 50 bucks

I paid nothing for plaque cleaning recently

[fallen estuary]

i already used my 3k satan fun bucks with my first round of surgery

[wheat jay]

And I paid 50 bucks to have two teeth fixed, including painkiller shot

[fallen estuary]

i literally got laser beamed by the british govt. my teeth were bad but im like 50% away from becoming a american again

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Man's got british jaw

[fallen estuary]

lets say mtn dew gets you places

but not the place you expect

in a fucking chair with a dentists foot in your jaw to open it up to get to 1 tooth

and a weeks worth of pain

[fallen estuary]

but hey im not like the rest that would just rip it out of my mouth and cause long term aussie teeth in the end

im like the one american rn thats actually dedicating time to fix my shit not drive around it into a one way wrong way

[wheat jay]

I'm a fan of never removing things

[fallen estuary]

yea

[wheat jay]

Never gonna remove my teeth

I've seen how it can change your jaw

[fallen estuary]

i had only 1 tooth removed cause i literally exploded my tooth LMAO

and let me tell you

removing 1 tooth is insanely bad to the others around it

i have to fork over like 2k or 5k just to get adult braces to fix that shit

[wheat jay]

Ye

They are tight in the jaw

So other teeth started to shift towards empty space, right?

[fallen estuary]

yea except not that way, the one tooth affected just started shifting backwards into my mouth but not TOO too far. fortunately if i do seek adult braces itll be WAY easier to get that one back in alignment

the thing is i coulda saved the tooth but i was working some shitty job that paid 11 a hour and was saving for a car and couldnt afford it

the things you regret later lmao

got me a 28-h job with insane hours and im deadset on fixing this shit

[wheat jay]

Ye gotta fix it now before it gets even worse

[fallen estuary]

ye, 20k basically left to go. debt free, flexible rent, open asf schedule even with my 12hrs a day job for like 5 whole days lmao

[delicate parrot]

wait I was kinda flightstone pearl clutch mode but like you get a decent amount from pvp now??

[fallen estuary]

dabdaddy do be good at finances

i get around 2k + back every tax time cause i do my taxes right n shit and i have a ton of money stashed like fr ong

[spice hornet]

the gov thanks you for your interest free loan

queueing at 2k mmr

so farn o warrs

so far*

no

[fallen estuary]

one of the reasons why im not queing rn lmfao

god those lobbies look so fucking cancer

[spice hornet]

another boomy/lock season

[wheat jay]

I hate boomies

[spice hornet]

The clone spam and 10 billion armor make me sadge

[spice hornet]

Chop em up jr

[mental knoll]

I'm completely steam rolling destro locks right now. Must just be running into garbage locks so far

Boomies though....yeah thats a rough matchup.

[rotund trellis]

he whispers me "get good". I destroy him > ignores me

[rotund trellis]

no it's true. locks are soft

[stark gulch]

Why no implants? That’s the route I went. If it’s an insurance/money issue I see why I mean, just curious

[fallen estuary]

some people dont want insane pain and complications when theyre older

[stark gulch]

Oh they generally are fine if you’re meticulous, I’ve had my first one for a while and it’s great. Haven’t heard of issues unless you get em and forget em though

[fallen estuary]

i can legit just get a crown thats way cheaper and its basically still natural to your mouths formation. i just dont want any complications later in my life happening cause theres a metal rod stuck in my mouth

[stark gulch]

Pain isn’t bad I have had a ton of work done so I’m used to dental pain

Oh yeah my crowns just always fail no matter what I do so I’ve graduated. But if implants cause issues they were probably installed wrong/not taken care of

Have you had any crowns yet?

Just curious your experience

[fallen estuary]

3 currently with the 3rd on its way

[stark gulch]

Gotcha. I’m glad they work for someone

[fallen estuary]

nothing really changed other than feeling nothing in certain areas

[spice hornet]

Of dabdaddy wasn’t lying about injecting meth until his teeth fall out

[fallen estuary]

the thing is that you gotta remember theyre there. if you forget you can accidentally break em

[fallen estuary]

street struggles in the old town district be reel 😔

[stark gulch]

Mine just always separate, no breaking problems and I wear a nightgard for grinding. No matter how good I am with brushing and flossing (you have to be with crowns) they eventually fail

It’s fun times

I have good hair though so there’s that

[fallen estuary]

you know you can request your dentist to keep a copy of the mold of your teeth right?

so if it falls out you always can get another made, unless the inner structure keeping it intact is decayed or falls apart

[stark gulch]

Yeah I always end up with decay inside

[fallen estuary]

i had my dentist keep a copy of all my teeth

[stark gulch]

Same problem every one

[barren bear]

whats the recommended thing to add to helmet when crafting ?

shadowflame ?

[fallen estuary]

i havent experienced the decay yet but possibly thats due to something getting in your gums and your spit swishing it at the seams of the crown or the dentist didnt sanitize it before applying the crown

if they dont sanitize the structure itll eventually buildup whatever tfs under it

[stark gulch]

Yeah I dunno anymore. I floss like a madman in all the margins and brush and all that. But I’ve had like five diff crowns all from different docs and I only have two left in my mouth

Don’t drink soda, don’t drink juice, no candy, almost no added/processed sugars

It’s annoying

[fallen estuary]

or be like me and use a straw and drink it directly to the back of your throat

ive been doing that for like 2 years now and the decay on my teeth literally nearly halted from me just doing that

[stark gulch]

Once in a blue moon if I do a juice that’s how I do it bypass everything

Maybe I need to do it with water too 😂

[fallen estuary]

water mvp

best damn thing to drink

[spice hornet]

I think it is genetic

[fallen estuary]

but damn does a stroke in a can do tempt sometimes

[stark gulch]

Hygienest says so but man how can I have ZERO control over something it’s hard to believe

Then i see peeps…never floss..35 years old never had a cavity

I wanna take a ball peen hammer and knock their teeth out 😂

Sometimes

And I never even got to smoke meth

Not even fair 😂😂😂😂

Jk

[fallen estuary]

justin bieber made a song named never say never

never too late

[stark gulch]

😂

[rotund trellis]

guys what embellishment you're using for the helm?

the thetering versatility one?

[delicate parrot]

I knew you were a goat before but like damn now you’ve even ascended further

[stark gulch]

I can see now how the straw comment could be taken out of context 😂

[scarlet flame]

we have done it

also fuck resto druids

[rotund trellis]

grats!

[mild thunder]

omg, arms is so balanced!

[scarlet flame]

it was vs another arms so yeah

[mild thunder]

arms counters arms

[scarlet flame]

i can show you a demo lock who killed me super fast

or an uholy dk who killed me in 26 seconds

[mild thunder]

skill issue

[scarlet flame]

through retal

[mild thunder]

i killed a dh in 5 seconds