pvp

[mild thunder]

100k isn’t that special anyway

With extra effects, yea… just an off-gcd rage dump that isn’t broken like ignore pain

[dense herald]

Overpower hits for that much

[mild thunder]

Fact is IP is horrible design for a dps spec

[mild thunder]

Overpower hits harder and resets mortal strike

And generates rage in exe phase

And buffs mortal strike

[dense herald]

I want ip back with procs just cuz it dumps rage off gcd and gives me proc

[vivid pumice]

The problem is without IP we have no defensive outside of rally which is a huge raid cd, or retaliation which does nothing for spell damage

[mild thunder]

The IP change was good… spamming a defensive for a dps boost is horrible design

[fickle forge]

Parry is still a wall

To say it does nothing is mega false

[mild thunder]

Spell reflect, parry, dstance, rally, IV and high passive armour and mit

Arms is very tanky

[fickle forge]

Arms is nigh immortal

But IP is also the spec's main mitigation

[mild thunder]

Delete ignore pain, add another rage dump and bring dstance up to 20/25

[vivid pumice]

In pvp content, definitely not in pve

[dense herald]

Why tf do i get oneshot by dhs then

[mild thunder]

Arms is still very tanky in pve

[vivid pumice]

Dh is just Uber busted rn

[mild thunder]

It’s tied with dk

Maybe a little squishier

[fickle forge]

?

I mean does that matter for us?

Fact is arms is an actual wall to take down

[dense herald]

i have dstance,ignore pain and i use self heal anf my healer has pain supression on me and i still take immense amount of dmg from dh

Its like i cant beat them unless i catch them in tricky stun shen my healer can also dps

[fickle forge]

Caster cleaves can put a dent in you, but melee cleaves will kill you at 90% damp

[dense herald]

Guys how do u beat hunters

[mild thunder]

Kargish the one enlightened arms main

Single-handedly saving my sanity

[dense herald]

Cuz im not gnome

And when my bladestorm off gcd i cant bs traps

And i charge and he scatter

[fickle forge]

SB freedom and you'll always have uptime

[dense herald]

Sb?

[fickle forge]

Unless they have an actual good Rdruid with them

[wheat jay]

Storm bolt

[fickle forge]

Storm Bolt

[mild thunder]

If hunter doesn’t have an rdruid or isn’t mm/hpala, you should have near max uptime fr

[dense herald]

Yeah but when i have uptime i los mybhealer

Or is that healers fault

[mild thunder]

If they’re dragging you los, just swap

That’s not your healers fault

You also don’t need to bladestorm traps, just eat them and they’ll generally break it themselves unless they’re tunneling your healer

[dense herald]

Yeah i know is not healers fault i need to get better at stopping cc

[mild thunder]

You can literally counter almost everything a hunter does ngl

[dense herald]

Idk tho man i cant beat hunter

I beat one by chance

[fickle forge]

2s or 3s?

[dense herald]

2s

[vivid pumice]

I said this last night, but I genuinely feel like part of the problem is that in week 1 healers are not geared enough to keep up with the amount of damage that dps classes are doing

[mild thunder]

What healer do they have

[dense herald]

Well i cant do anything when its hpala and mm hunter

Cuz he freedoms everything

[fickle forge]

Nah that's cap, we all have the same ilvl

[dense herald]

And sometimes its like bm hunter and rdruid

Sometimes priest

And i run with priest 2s so that makes me squishy

[mild thunder]

If they’re running that far and you can’t catch the mm, just swap

Hide behind los

[dense herald]

Cuz i run with disc priest and they wanna do more dmg than heal

[fickle forge]

Hunter+priest is winable, hunter+Rdruid requires you to have the better healer

[mild thunder]

If they’re with a priest, just eat them both

[vivid pumice]

Yeah but I'm saying that dps are just doing a ton of damage for start of season and healers aren't keeping up. I've been in a few solo shuffle matches where both healers are just struggling to keep people alive through all their cds because burst damage is so high

[mild thunder]

Ngl I don’t think arms should ever lose against priests in 2s

[fickle forge]

Nah that's cap, healers are fine rn

Rdruid especially

Nobody dies through HoTs rn

[wheat jay]

Healers are more than fine

[mild thunder]

Disc is also just a secret dps

[frank knoll]

Druid discord is pretty based

[fickle forge]

Shuffle is a bit different cause damp ramps so fast

[wheat jay]

People live through me doing fucking 100k dps single

[dense herald]

On the more important part

How do i beat dh

[wheat jay]

You dont

[dense herald]

If i go dh he cleaves me and healer

[wheat jay]

Overtuned

[dense herald]

If i go his healer he kils my healer

[mild thunder]

Bro what lmao…. Saying 2650xp if you’re 2400 is wild

[wheat jay]

Yep

[vivid pumice]

Yeah you beat dh by waiting 2 weeks for blizzard devs to get back from holiday vacation

[mild thunder]

Ngl if someone lies about their xp like that imma just decline out of spite… not because their xp is bad, just cause it’s cringe to lie about it

[wheat jay]

IF they nerf it

Y'all remember shadowlands warr or even better shadowlands monk oneshotting for 3 seasons?

[mild thunder]

I can’t wait for dh to get nerfed and artji to discover it’s not actually well-designed at all

[wheat jay]

I'll still play it

Already committed

[mild thunder]

Cap

Nah cap

[wheat jay]

Its fun

Rotation is fun

[mild thunder]

It’s fun because you can do nothing and win every game

[wheat jay]

Feels good to do stuff that optimizes your dmg

Not just spam 123

[vivid pumice]

I've seen so many dhs say things like "you'll beat me once you have tier" like their tier sets aren't busted as hell

[mild thunder]

Their tier is kinda cringe tbf

[wheat jay]

Cuz theyre not that busted

[mild thunder]

But all tier is nerfed anyway

[wheat jay]

Its 50% of a mediocre set

[fickle forge]

Artji thinking people will suddenly do double damage when we have tier

[mild thunder]

Artji is lost

[dense herald]

I wonder how much arms tier set will be nerfed

[mild thunder]

It’s all nerfed by 50%

[dense herald]

Oh

[wheat jay]

Let me enjoy being broken for once, okay?

[mild thunder]

Don’t have to wonder about anything

[dense herald]

But still

That means 25% damage increse to sudden death execute

As a bleed

[mild thunder]

Sv is lowkey broken all the time ngl

[wheat jay]

I suffered enough KFC when it was F tier

[mild thunder]

Yes

[wheat jay]

In 2s

[mild thunder]

And in 3s

Just play a good comp

[dense herald]

Das good

If u crit 200k execute thatll be 250k

[wheat jay]

Then tell Kargish to reroll

[atomic orchid]

KFC seems pretty good now with safeguard or am I on copium

[wheat jay]

Copium

Survi is never good

[atomic orchid]

[fickle forge]

Cause you don't see the glory in being a giga Chad comp, even if it sacs you rating

[dense herald]

Especially since now sudden death can proc from rend with 2p

[wheat jay]

But then again its never hopeless

[dense herald]

Ull get loads of procs

In 3s

[mild thunder]

The problem with survival isn’t that it’s bad, it’s that you’re extending 10x the brainpower as other specs for the same payoff

[dense herald]

If u cleave

[wheat jay]

I literally played thousands of games with you what do you mean?

[fickle forge]

And you'd play thousands more if you valued it

[wheat jay]

I value players, not classes

[mild thunder]

Then why’d you reroll to the op class

Sus

[wheat jay]

I value you and james

[wheat jay]

Cuz its fun

Zoom zoom

[mild thunder]

Mhmm

Cmon man, there’s so few of us survivals already

[wheat jay]

And just so you know, I rolled it before the rework and I told Kargish I want to play it before the rework

[mild thunder]

You betrayed me

Even the hunter discord has like… 2 of us

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Im not on survi discord

Its cringe

Dh discord at least has good emotes

[mild thunder]

I am but I never speak there because they’re all mm/bm

I’m in the feral cord sometimes

Got all the cool cat emotes there

[teal hedge]

I tried joining the priest discord for pvp advice

[fickle forge]

[teal hedge]

And then @elfin surge just pings me and calls me out

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge acknowledge this too maybe?

[mild thunder]

Muds such a cockblocker

[teal hedge]

Honestly, hate that guy

Keeps going on about being my step dad

[fickle forge]

Do I alt surv?

[teal hedge]

Such a douche

[wheat jay]

Lmao do it and I'll play warr alt with you

[mild thunder]

Gigachad, do it

[wheat jay]

Reversal

[fickle forge]

Yes you did, but you were aware the rework was coming when you did it

[mild thunder]

Das true

[wheat jay]

Jokes on you i didnt even check it

[mild thunder]

@mild thunder

[wheat jay]

I did know it was coming, but I knew nothing about its contents

[teal hedge]

Massive ping

Also, I downloaded a dps-meter

[wheat jay]

I was expecting new dh spec at blizzcon tho

[teal hedge]

Turns out I am shit 💔

[wheat jay]

Didnt happen

[mild thunder]

Yea but it was a fair guess to assume it was broken

As they’ve all been

[teal hedge]

If just barely scraping by was a crime; I'd be arrest

[wheat jay]

Not rly true

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

And I wasnt rly Rolling it cuz it was going to be broken

[mild thunder]

All the tree reworks have been op

[wheat jay]

Same as I didnt roll survi for strong gameplay

But fun gameplay

I play what I find fun

[fickle forge]

Let's be real though here

Blizz has reworked 3 specs and added 1 this expansion alone

And each and every time it hasn't just been meta, it's been meta defining

[wheat jay]

What else was reworked?

[mild thunder]

And not one of those specs should’ve been reworked before the survival tree

[fickle forge]

Ret

[wheat jay]

Not rly

[fickle forge]

Rogue

[mild thunder]

Ret, rogue dh

Arms kinda

[wheat jay]

Shadow was reworked like 10 times and its been good once out of 10

[atomic orchid]

Feel like WW needs it too

[mild thunder]

Ww needs Jesus

[wheat jay]

Ww should rot

[teal hedge]

You people ever manage balancing M+ and pvp?

[fickle forge]

Shadowplay was the best comp last season

[teal hedge]

Or do you just have certain characters for certain playstyles?

[wheat jay]

That's not right after rework tho, was it?

[wheat jay]

I usually play one for everything

[mild thunder]

Imo 2 characters is best, but it’ll be easy when 11.0 comes out and no PvP vault

[wheat jay]

But ye 2 is best right now

[teal hedge]

Right

Cause I got a fire mage where I do m+

But warrior pvp is a little aluring

[mild thunder]

Fire m+ is fun

[vivid pumice]

I will say this, no matter how bad warrior is, I'll always be thankful I didn't choose to main shadow priest

[fickle forge]

Remember 10.0.7 ret?

It was literally unbeatable

[mild thunder]

Remember 10.0.5 arms?

[atomic orchid]

Strongest Class all time

Ret not arms

[vivid pumice]

Spriest mains have to relearn how to play their spec every patch

[fickle forge]

Didn't play there unfort

[mild thunder]

10.0.5 arms was busted tho fr… I was hitting 250k mortal strokes in season one bruh

Shit was wild

I tapped a fdk for 80% of his health in one ms

[fickle forge]

Blizz spent the entirety of season 1 buffing arms 20 times

[mild thunder]

Edited and still misspelt

L

[atomic orchid]

Pre 10.0.5 DH was pretty strong too

[fickle forge]

Look man, I get dizzy inbetween deadlift sets

[mild thunder]

True, they had to nerf essence break a dozen times

[atomic orchid]

Sin rogues too

[mild thunder]

Tbf assa was only broken because of the ms bug with spri

[fickle forge]

Meta is dog when assassa is in it

[mild thunder]

That they didn’t fix for months

Lol

[mild thunder]

I’d rather a billion rpx metas than rdruid meta

Most cringe shit in the world

[fickle forge]

RPX is okay cause you can always play the game vs SP

Assassa RMD though

[wheat jay]

I like rdruid when its catweaving

[mild thunder]

Despite how much I cry about, I also don’t mind arms being meta BUT the current double bladestorm retardd builds are lame af to fight against

[wheat jay]

Cuz its braindead

[fickle forge]

You don't like the CC immune burst that applies chains of skill to you as well?

[wheat jay]

Remove bladestorm, give warrior new ability instead of it

[atomic orchid]

Ha ha

[wheat jay]

Battle cry would be nice

And warbreaker separate from CS

[fickle forge]

Bladestorm too iconic to remove

[wheat jay]

But on longer cd and doing more instant dmg

[wheat jay]

Unhealthy for the game tho

Its the most braindead playstyle

[mild thunder]

“Ok warrior is bursting, I’ll disarm! Wait, he’s bladestorminf, I’ll hold for 5! Ok, he’s bladestorming again instantly, hold for 5 again! Ok it’s over, I disarm now! Wait, he’s popped reflect, gotta wait another 5s hahaha! Ok now! Oops, too late we’re dead! Hahahahahaha”

[fickle forge]

Nah not unhealthy

[wheat jay]

It is

[fickle forge]

It's unhealthy when you're spinning more than not

[wheat jay]

Which is what you do now

[vivid pumice]

You can have bladestorm if we get Throwdown back

[fickle forge]

If BS was a fixed CD and 1 charge

It'd be good

[mild thunder]

Yes

[wheat jay]

Ye

[mild thunder]

90s

[wheat jay]

That's the issue

Its not one charge

And its not 90s cd

[fickle forge]

So make it

[wheat jay]

Its like 30s cd between them

That's the issue

[atomic orchid]

But you said remove BS not fix it

[mild thunder]

Remove it out of spite

At least for 1 xpac

[wheat jay]

Removal would be the best

But id be fine with fixing it too

[fickle forge]

Nah BS should stay, but fix it

[vivid pumice]

I would give any ability in our spellbook for Throw Down to be back

[fickle forge]

Using BS as a stop is a skill expression

[mild thunder]

The thing is arms doesn’t need bladestorm to avoid disarms now, because cs is desynced

So removing it would be fine

[wheat jay]

Why not just give warr warbreaker on a separate cd and make it do aoe knockdown for 0.5s

[mild thunder]

But having bladestorm as a 90s CD with ONE FUCKING CHARGE and having it last only 3s or so would be chad

[atomic orchid]

Delete WoW is my suggestion

[wheat jay]

Kinda like aftercock

[mild thunder]

Because that would kill arms in m+

Arms also doesn’t need more cc

[wheat jay]

You'd lose bs

[mild thunder]

They have a ranged stun, aoe stun, aoe fear, two charge roots, aoe slow etc

[wheat jay]

Id be fine with the trade

[fickle forge]

Arms doesn't need anything rn, it has it all except DH numbers

[wheat jay]

05s would be just interrupt

[mild thunder]

And no, micro-ccs are cringe

We need less, not more

[wheat jay]

Micro cc is fine imo

[teal hedge]

Fax

[fickle forge]

BFA destro enthusiast

[wheat jay]

Cuz there's a lot of shit you'd want it for

[mild thunder]

Getting cc’d for 10 seconds against locks when everything is only 2-3s is lame

[wheat jay]

Fam, 0.5s cc is nothing

[atomic orchid]

Only tilts me when it’s rogue or Lock

[fickle forge]

Remember Conflag root?

[wheat jay]

And would give some skill expression to the ability

[wheat jay]

No

I skipped bfa s4 pvp

Thankfully xD

[fickle forge]

It was all of BFA

Conflag applied a 3 sec unbreakable root

[mild thunder]

A 0.5s aoe stun is hardly skill expression ngl

[wheat jay]

You wouldn't just slam it instantly

[mild thunder]

Nerfed bladestorm would be better

[fickle forge]

Burst and CC don't go well together on the same ability

[wheat jay]

You'd use it to secure kills

It would be like nerfed aftershock tho

One tick, aoe, applies cs effect

And make it give your next 2 attacks cleave or aoe around you

Done, new, not broken warr cooldown

[fickle forge]

Locks would fume if they knew I had 5 ways to stop their casts

[wheat jay]

Good

Fuck casters

Animals

They belong in the bin

[fickle forge]

So do you DH main

[wheat jay]

Hehehe

[boreal stone]

I wish they made storm of destruction a normal talent

[atomic orchid]

[wheat jay]

I'm a respectable demon hunter enthusiast

[boreal stone]

Would suck a dick to have sharpen disarm/banner and battle commander

[wheat jay]

Not cringe dh animal

[atomic orchid]

Just geared my DH. What’s the rotation?

[mild thunder]

No safeguard?

[teal hedge]

Mortal strike > Mortal strike

Hope this helps

[mild thunder]

Gonna report your name so you don’t become a dh reroller

[boreal stone]

Don’t need safeguard if brain is working properly 🙂

Its insane in 3s tho ngl

[wheat jay]

Immo aura > eye Beam > fel rush > felblade > essence break > sweep > meta > sweep > immo aura > fel rush > elysian decree > sweep

[mild thunder]

Aight I’m going back to playing the Witcher

[wheat jay]

Try to fit a stun there too

[boreal stone]

Good comms

Wow sucks lol!

[atomic orchid]

Hell yea bruddah

[boreal stone]

I’m really glad I’m making my trip to Germany this week before they do any tuning rofl

[frank knoll]

I just geared my DH. What’s the rotation?

[mild thunder]

[boreal stone]

Alt + f4

Turns u into Illidan stormrage

[teal hedge]

Try doing this maneuver

[wheat jay]

Dash in, fel barrage

[vivid pumice]

Press meta

Slobber on keyboard

Lose no nut November

Round over

[fickle forge]

This man def the weakest here

[frank knoll]

It’s tough explaining no nut November to my wife

[vivid pumice]

Mine takes it as a challenge

[frank knoll]

God gives his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers

Mashallah

[mild thunder]

Alhamdullilah

[wheat jay]

I will smesh your boi

[frank knoll]

Goat

[limber relic]

They tried taking my r1 so i had to get it back 😎

Stil standing strong 💪

[rotund trellis]

rank 1 is 2038? wow

[spark sparrow]

For arms only

Its cause arms is trash lol

[boreal stone]

Very high!!!!!!

[boreal stone]

There was a 300+ rating gap most of last season between msg and the next war in 2s

[mild thunder]

It’s cause no one plays 2s

None of those players are rank ones

[boreal stone]

Mag^

[mild thunder]

There’s literally zero incentive to play 2s

[boreal stone]

I remember at one point it was mag at like 2670, then me at like 2420, then some other guy at 2200

It was like that for 2 months 😂

[barren bear]

is there anything we crafting for pvp this season?

[boreal stone]

Boots

[barren bear]

the same boots as before yeah?

[boreal stone]

Yuh

[mild thunder]

Source?

[tribal wedge]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pvp-tuning-incoming-–-november-21/1717338/2

[mild thunder]

No shot arms actually dodged nerfs bruh

That’s retardded

[rotund trellis]

yo thats big

[tribal wedge]

we are now the ennemy ..

[fickle forge]

Think it'll come next time

No way they won't

Espec with tier

[mild thunder]

Unironically doubt it

Can’t nerf the favourite child

[lavish quest]

I mean the two that got it were above arms so makes sense them first

[wet scarab]

It’s because I prayed especially hard this week

[mild thunder]

This the first tuning in 3-4 months, they should’ve gone harder

[fickle forge]

Ele buffs though, surely thunder cleave is an S tier comp now

[lavish quest]

First week of the new season. Last 3-4 months irrelevant

[wet scarab]

I’m confused as to why they got buffed at all they’re the only caster I usually see besides demo lock in the 2k range

[tribal wedge]

frost up is huge

[mild thunder]

The ele buffs are nothing

They don’t press any of those abilities in PvP

Except icefury

Sometimes

[wet scarab]

Oh so this is like slam buffs before

[lavish quest]

Oh yeah, frost buffs. Thems the arms nerfs for ya

[wet scarab]

Lol

[mild thunder]

Frost changes are eh

They get a lot less instant procs

But ice lance does a bit more

[green sequoia]

Think those nerfs were enough?

[cobalt wolf]

Frost mage buffs oof gg zugzug comp

[mild thunder]

What big brain comp do you play as an arms warrior?

[boreal stone]

WLX

[mild thunder]

Only chad warrior comps these days are kfc and WMX

[frank knoll]

I’m glad DH was nerfed, I was not having fun playing it tbh

I still think DH will be playable

But it was so much more fun to play in the past

[frank knoll]

Turbo

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet

[green sequoia]

I’m just hoping it’s enough of a nerf

[elder island]

They are hefty nerfs

[fickle forge]

SP+warr also respectable

[fallen estuary]

Frost mage buffs lmfao this games unreal

[river walrus]

We lucky arms didn't get nerfs

[spice hornet]

Why would arms get nerfs? It's well balanced

i do expect all the fotm DHs swap to warr starting tomorrow tho

back to ret or war

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-nikolaj-coster-waldau-gif-4536538

[mild thunder]

Bait

[mild thunder]

Frost mage almost never gets played anymore and those buffs/nerfs basically serve to even out the rotation

[simple rock]

the ele buffs won't be that noticeable

only the icefury change is relevant

you go from never casting icefury to maybe sometimes now

[mild thunder]

Fr tho people need to stop seeing X class listed and jumping straight to “ZOMG ELE BUFFED!!!!!!!!!????!!!?”

[simple rock]

thunder is already S tier just with the DH changes

DH completely cucks ele right now with their immo aura cleanse

[mild thunder]

Who did dh get to keep their self-dispel but hunter lost ours

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[scarlet flame]

nah war in good spot dont think it needs buffs or nerfs

[mild thunder]

You think that because you play arms

[scarlet flame]

i think that because i play arms unholy elemental resto ww

[mild thunder]

All the top specs LOL

[spice hornet]

name one wthing on arms that needs nerf lol

[scarlet flame]

i think that because warlocks are stomping

[mild thunder]

Bladestorm uptime
Ignore pain

[scarlet flame]

i think that because from the like 200 arenas i've played the only class ive vs'd that felt like a loser was spriest

nah

[mild thunder]

Either of those would be fine to hit

[scarlet flame]

hit warlocks soul leech healing 6m a match

saw one get up to a 187k absorb

[mild thunder]

Arms spams 100k ignore pains every 11s

[scarlet flame]

unlimited penis healing for 2m with 1 button press

and it costs like 50 rage

[mild thunder]

40 rage and who cares? You have infinite rage lmao

You don’t lose globals by pressing ignore pain unless you’re a legit moron

[scarlet flame]

it doesn't even absorb the full amount

you only absorb 50% of the hit you take with op

ip

[mild thunder]

Cmon man, you’ve gotta admit ignore pain is some dumb design

[scarlet flame]

yeah just make it baseline like warlocks

passive shield that regens when you dont take damage

[mild thunder]

Nerf lock too idgaf, but coping that ignore pain and bladestorm uptime are fine is funny af

Also safeguard

[scarlet flame]

yup those are totally broken compared to what the classes that got nerfed are doing

[mild thunder]

In 3s? Yea arms is still a top spec, and will probably become THE top melee spec after reset

[scarlet flame]

dk didn't even get nerfed that much

[mild thunder]

You realise you can tune multiple classes at the same time, right?

[scarlet flame]

and they buffed mages

[mild thunder]

Eh, not really

[scarlet flame]

fire got buffed wym

[mild thunder]

Frost got their damage adjusted, fire got their damage moved from a PvP talent into baseline but had the PvP talent gutted and arcane was nerfed

Not really “mage got buffed”

[scarlet flame]

is the scaling different

scorch alone got a 55% buff

ignite baseline 20% buff

fireball 18% buff

[spice hornet]

rogue says hi

[mild thunder]

Scorch does like

4K

Bruh

[mild thunder]

And no, those aren’t just straight buffs because their PvP talent was gutted in return… it is a buff to fire survivability tho

[scarlet flame]

just what fire needed

[mild thunder]

Yea, it won’t do more than this lmao

Bro can you read

[scarlet flame]

they get 40% damage still + 55% from the actual buff its still getting buffed

[scarlet flame]

yup -60%

[mild thunder]

To scorch… their least important ability….

[scarlet flame]

i will be honest i didn't read that it affected ignite

so theres that

[mild thunder]

55k on a cast that ONLY hits that hard during exe window is not that good… at all…

The only real pro for fire is they potentially don’t run that dogshit talent and get a survivability buff, which is fine because mage dies in two hits

[scarlet flame]

yeah i didn't read glass cannon affected ignite so my bad

[mild thunder]

.

[scarlet flame]

except i wasn't acting like fire was op broken just that it didn't need its damage buffed

[mild thunder]

Mhmm

[scarlet flame]

yes mhmm is right i wasn't acting like mages were broken op

[mild thunder]

And I didn’t t say you were

[scarlet flame]

.

[mild thunder]

Where in that did I say you said mage was op?

Literally all that was about was misreading notes and complaining X class got buffed when it didn’t

Which… you did

[scarlet flame]

you linked it to the post about people overreatcing about x classes being buffed when they weren't actually buffed

and all i said was

"and they buffed mages"

and also

[mild thunder]

And they didn’t buff mages, not directly

[scarlet flame]

"dks didn't get nerfed that much"

[mild thunder]

They adjusted mages

[scarlet flame]

and then i said that is right i didn't read it correctly i didn't overreact about anything lmao

warrior not shit and its not op, other classes are not op and not shit either

only class that felt was op broken was ass rogue and dh to me

[mild thunder]

.

[scarlet flame]

yup because i was vsing fire mages doing crazy damage

they didn't need it

[mild thunder]

I’d be more than happy for them to buff arms damage to nerf bladestorm and ignore pain

And safeguard

There’s legitimately no way to defend arms’ toolkit in 3s

[scarlet flame]

id be happy if they take away all of our utility and just made me 2 hit loseres who stood close to me

[mild thunder]

Nerfing bladestorm would be removing all of arms utility?

[scarlet flame]

i didn't say that

i said id be happy if they did and gave me op damage

[mild thunder]

That’d just be removing arms identity

[scarlet flame]

i was creating a new topic instead of going off what you said

i mean what is arms identity

[mild thunder]

Being a tanky support spec in arena

[scarlet flame]

yeah ok

fuck off

[mild thunder]

But right now imo it leans too far into being tanky with too much cc avoidance

[mild thunder]

I mean, it is

[scarlet flame]

yeah i dont agree

[mild thunder]

That’s how arms has historically played in arena

[scarlet flame]

and thats an unhealthy identity to have

[mild thunder]

You can disagree, but you’re wrong

[scarlet flame]

thats cool, im glad they're moving it away from afk bot to actually its own class

[mild thunder]

But they aren’t lmao

[scarlet flame]

idk keep giving us CC aqvoidance and it seems like it

[mild thunder]

Cc avoidance is making arms less of a tanky support bot?

[scarlet flame]

and if we're just a support class who cares about CC avoidance

[mild thunder]

Ok…

[scarlet flame]

basically aug at this point but not buffing our teammates

give us a presence aura that buffs our teammates damage

[mild thunder]

What do you think arms identity has been, if not a tanky plate spec with tons of team utility?

[scarlet flame]

being a tanky plate spec with team utility isn't a support class bud

[mild thunder]

Your idea of “support spec” is tainted by Aug

But that’s ok

[scarlet flame]

my idea of support spec is you do ignorable damage for other things

[mild thunder]

You bring arms for group utility, not it’s overpowered damage - been that way for ages, and in that way it’s a support spec

[scarlet flame]

arms damage isn't ignorable atm

is ages to you like legion to now

or

[mild thunder]

Nope, like almost forever to now

[scarlet flame]

cause in wrath you weren't bringing them for support utility

and in cata you werent

[mild thunder]

There have been periods of arms doing insane damage, but it’s usually not it’s defining feature

@fickle forge is arms generally defined as a tanky support-style spec in arena or am I going crazy

[scarlet flame]

its defining feature is pressure dps and team utility

[spice hornet]

sudden demise shouldn't exist

literal auto touch of death

[bright stream]

high mobility and utility, not sure I'd describe it as 'tanky'

its kinda mid in that regard, some patches it ends up tanky, other patches paper

though, to be fair - people call DK tanky a lot, and its not been for a good while

so maybe Arms is

[mild thunder]

Cope

Arms is the tankiest spec in PvP lol

Uh oh, here comes Qfiend with the L take

[spice hornet]

all ima say is bfa s4 warrior was tanky af, tons of utility as it does now, but was replaced by any rogue/ww/dh/dk

turns out you need to have damage that people need to respect

to win games

and not just tank mode damp

[mild thunder]

I never said you didn’t, but high damage isn’t really arms identity like it is for specs like dh, ww, ret etc

[spice hornet]

15min games and lose still L scuffed dot spec bfa s4

average damage with chunky periods in between mm

mmmm

[mild thunder]

Arms pressure comes from stuff like sharpen moreso than just raw damage

[spice hornet]

just bad that crit isnt our goto stat

[mild thunder]

I agree this is how arms should feel, but imo it just has too much cc avoidance and is potentially a bit too tanky right now… also safeguard should go

Idk why they even introduced safeguard lol

[spice hornet]

yeah the bladestorm talents and being in bladestorm all the time is trash design

[mild thunder]

It’s over the top

[spice hornet]

yeah its dumb, they nerfed intervene in sl s1 for that reason and now its essentially back

[mild thunder]

Bladestorm should be a flat 90s CD with only one charge… maybe buff it’s damage to compensate

[urban skiff]

Those DH nerfs seem a bit toothless?

[mild thunder]

If they just included the damage reduction part I would think it’s strong but I’d say whatever but TWO CHARGES???

Why lmao

[spice hornet]

cuz warrior is C tier u fkn uidiot

[mild thunder]

Stop with your low tier fucking bait

[mild thunder]

Their burst will be a fair bit lower, just their sustained damage that’s untouched really

[spice hornet]

@mild thunder Arm is C- tier, Seifcham (R1 EU Arms) told me so. Rogue, DH, DK just outshine it.

oh and ret

[mild thunder]

Lmao ret can’t outshine it

It scales poorly

[urban skiff]

I'm a firm believer that changes are delayed by weeks and they can't compound them when they make multiple rounds of nerfs, so we're only seeing nerfs from their preseason performance

[fallen solar]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-curly-warlocks-gif-12297710

[mild thunder]

I’m a firm believer that this is nonsense

[urban skiff]

Nah, it's a software company. Everything moves slow as fuck and is inflexible.

[bright stream]

its not, its A tier

[spark sparrow]

Your safeguard shit is nonsense

Top 50 arms warrior none are using it

[bright stream]

youdont main it, you swap it in as needed

[mild thunder]

It’s not updated bozo lmao

Add up the rest of the talents

It’s so clearly bugged

[spark sparrow]

It updates daily

[mild thunder]

Add up the rest of the talents selected

[pure hornet]

Drustvar updates faster

[spark sparrow]

3 hours

[mild thunder]

Add up the rest of the talents selected

[pure hornet]

Murlok lies

[spice hornet]

i thought seifcham was r1 arms warrior world

[pure hornet]

Go drustvar

[mild thunder]

Do you really think no one is running safeguard and BC? Holy shit

[urban skiff]

95, should be 150. Murlok IO is bugged it seems

[spice hornet]

no room to play BC really

[mild thunder]

Bro thought he ate 🤡

[urban skiff]

there is if you play fury

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

[spice hornet]

let him cook

[bright stream]

fury is such a great learning spec

[mild thunder]

Bro is burning the food

[bright stream]

funish to play, real simple, just focus on the core of being melee

[urban skiff]

Don't forget the most important bit: Stylish as fuck.

[bright stream]

should be 1hs

[urban skiff]

fuck no

2hs all day

[bright stream]

I tried to bait babes yesterday about it, but he had a fucking based take

for xmoging 1hs onto 2hs

think it was babes

[river walrus]

What ia BC? Battlefield commander? I play that a lot on my arms when I don't need disarm or safe guard

[mild thunder]

Yes

[spice hornet]

which is rare

[bright stream]

yeah basically how I feel though havent played much arms yet this season

[mild thunder]

@spark sparrow come back

[spark sparrow]

You’re an ape dog

Reading comprehension

[mild thunder]

[bright stream]

he's got you on the ape thing

lol

[river walrus]

BC is quite helpful in casters lobby

[mild thunder]

Buddy can’t do addition

Holy based

[urban skiff]

it would be nice to not have to buy 2x 2h every season

fury most expensive spec, deserves to be OP

[bright stream]

also, 2 2hs when doing pve basically makes fury irrelevant as well

during prog

where theres no competition for 1hs

its genuinely a no brainer imo

[spice hornet]

it is lame fury has that tax of 2x 2h

[urban skiff]

This is why I always get weapon from vault week1

[bright stream]

I had like

3 back to back seasons

[urban skiff]

I just tell RNG that's what I want

[bright stream]

of double speed wepaons on my dk/war during slands

it was sick

[spice hornet]

3x warriors capped and ready for tomorrow

if i dont get a 2h on one of them im bashing my monitor in

[bright stream]

I wasnt really doing much pvp, so I didnt take full advantage of it but

[urban skiff]

You should have invested into a DH as backup

[bright stream]

if you have 3 wars to go, and dont hit legend/glad I'll be disappointed in the amount of time you've wasted

[bright stream]

more of a rogue/monk alt imo

[mild thunder]

Qfiend only gets glad when he can play ret/warr

[bright stream]

dk/ret/war and rogue/monk/dh

[mild thunder]

He dodged kfc queues last season

[bright stream]

thats how I feel about it

[spice hornet]

i get all my glads playing fury/survival. highest fury FKC in the world atm

[mild thunder]

Mhmm

[bright stream]

lool

[mild thunder]

Dodged me on last day of the season

Never forgiving you

[urban skiff]

What are some gone 3s comps for fury?

[mild thunder]

None

[urban skiff]

like I just take what I can get

[bright stream]

this season? gotta be tsg right?

[urban skiff]

and hope they don't notice

[bright stream]

maybe dh/war - does that work?

[urban skiff]

Don't DH have stronger comps?

[spice hornet]

dh is getting nerfed and arms is C tier so no

[urban skiff]

It feels like I can never get invited to them

[bright stream]

dh will still be good, arms is A tier, stop being a baby

[river walrus]

Arms is S tier, only losing to DH and UH dk

[urban skiff]

let's swing by the DH discord and see the carnage

[river walrus]

Arms tier set is looking strong as well

[urban skiff]

arms 4set is 100% going to be a talent eventually

[solemn delta]

Yo guys

How do I counter warrior as a caster

[river walrus]

Why

[urban skiff]

It's too fun and interesting

[solemn delta]

Slows don't work

[mild thunder]

You don’t lol

[urban skiff]

They've said before they use tier sets to experiment with new class mechanics

[solemn delta]

As I expected
I can rest now

[urban skiff]

[mild thunder]

I meeaaaannnnnnnn… dh does have a lot less utility than specs like arms or rogue, and is still very squishy

He’s overblowing it, but he’s not completely wrong

[spice hornet]

oh i remember the dh discord during the s1 nerfs

some of the most delusional people on earth

[solemn delta]

They're DH

[river walrus]

As a frost dk and fury warrior main I don't wanna hear DH complaining about damage or utility

[urban skiff]

High damage is utility. If it forces them to play defensively then it's utility

[mild thunder]

That’s not utility lol

And that’s what’s getting nerfed

[spice hornet]

when are they gonna fix blur

did we just accept that it is bugged

and thats now a feature

lol

[mild thunder]

They already did, no?

[spice hornet]

honestly i am not sure

i figured they havent

feels that way still

[mild thunder]

I think they compromised

And it’s 80% now or something

[urban skiff]

Those frost mage buffs has be concerned. I'm ok with frost mage dealing damage, but whenever fire or arcane is top dog I actually get to play the game instead of sitting in roots all match

[pale minnow]

What issues u got with it?

[mild thunder]

Read them again

[bright stream]

def will be s tomorrow, but because its overshadowed until then I'm treating it as high A

[bright stream]

Im keen as, I wanted to play frost mage this season as my main alt

frostbolts left and right

[mild thunder]

The mage “buffs” are an adjustment

They lose procs

[spice hornet]

it was giginvg more dodge in pvp combat

than expected

like 80-90%

[urban skiff]

they're nonsense to me. I just see bigger number and think

or whatever the fury equivalent of thinking is

[pale minnow]

I just saw that in duels, because i swap off blur in arenas, but yeah i agree with u feels like 80%

[spice hornet]

they can have 80% blur if that garbage was omnidirectional

so lame

wasn't*

[mild thunder]

They’re not direct buffs

They lose procs

Gain more ice lance damage

Frost bomb, flurry buffs are like buffing slam

[pale minnow]

But idk mostly when i played fury in bfa i felt like all my rampages went to shit on blur

[urban skiff]

ah, well i'm hopeful then

also fury so I don't really worry about roots

[mild thunder]

The problem with frost mage, is that no one wants to play frost mage

Because it’s boring and cringe

[urban skiff]

Bloodrage, Rallying, avatar all break roots so I'm good

[pale minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[mild thunder]

I’ve never met a single mage main that wants to play frost

And whenever it’s good, it’s off the back of the cringiest, lamest gimmick in the game (glacial oneshots, ray of frost, 40s deathborne shenanigans)

[bright stream]

I deeply miss the old frostburn mastery and shatter combo days

glacial/ray are okay, but deathborne was fun as hell

[mild thunder]

Yea, your opinions are invalid

[bright stream]

its because you actually had to cast to do something

instead of just pressing 'ice lance' for instant kill

or juke for 5 casts until you could slap someone with glacial

[mild thunder]

Spamming one button?

Ramping it to be so fast it may as well be instant

Yea nah

[barren bear]

completely out of the loop, when reset comes, we can trade a epic piece of gear + something to turn it into pvp tier set right?

[limber relic]

When did i say arma us c tier ?

[simple rock]

@barren bear we get 1 catalyst charge every 2 weeks for now

[spice hornet]

in the last hottub stream you had@limber relic

[simple rock]

so only 1 charge right now until next Tuesday

[barren bear]

gah damn

and we need 2 dont we

[simple rock]

no

[barren bear]

ah ok

[simple rock]

you can convert a piece right now

[barren bear]

oh damn

true

[simple rock]

but wait until 1600 for sure

[barren bear]

1600 rating? because we get 1 free piece?

[limber relic]

Wait catalyst is every 2v?

[mild thunder]

In my nightmares

[mild thunder]

Of course that’s the only Seifcham stream you watch

[limber relic]

Living in yr mind rentfree

[spice hornet]

[spice hornet]

its the only version of the stream where gameplay is good

[mild thunder]

Stop being such a bully

[spice hornet]

u told me to say it

[mild thunder]

You’re just jealous no one but me watches your hot tub streams

[limber relic]

Eyo i had 50 avg viewers yday so i guess it wasnt as bad

[mild thunder]

Screenshot or fake news

[spice hornet]

i discovered SeifChams stream when I navigated to booba . tv

[limber relic]

#1 fan

Ty

Ey i appreciate that

[spice hornet]

@mild thunder

[mild thunder]

Your mum and I are going to need to have a chat with you regarding your internet habits

[cyan mauve]

why no warriors play tauren

such a chad race

[mild thunder]

Least fake discord screenshot

[spice hornet]

fax bro, this is 100% something you would say

[mild thunder]

That is true…

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

[limber relic]

How did glad go btw?

[mild thunder]

Qfiend refused to queue with me

[spice hornet]

wasn't too bad, my 12 year old little brother was able to get it lol

[limber relic]

Oh shit.

[urban skiff]

What are we crafting tomorrow?

[limber relic]

Imagine then ur bf gala didnt

[urban skiff]

getting second spark

[limber relic]

Riiiip

[spice hornet]

gala was about to finish wins, but i convinced him that the mount is ugly and a true chad would not even bother getting it

[limber relic]

Unintenional friendly fire

[mild thunder]

Never logged in again

Wallahi I’m done

[spice hornet]

thats literally photoshopped

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

Why would I date my stepson

Nah fr tho I got my 2500 just cba finishing wins in such a cringe meta sv jungle totally good now tho

[limber relic]

Helm with new embelishment called verdant conduit

I think

[limber relic]

Last time i checked u were 2300

Dropping 2500-2300

[scarlet flame]

whats that do

[mild thunder]

Bro be stalking fr fr

[limber relic]

Spells and abilities sometimes provide secondary stats.

[scarlet flame]

well at least it sounds cool

[limber relic]

I think i asked u in chat u didnt reply

[scarlet flame]

regardless of what i think of you heres hoping all our vaults are giga god tier tomorrow

[limber relic]

Also. Lets be honest. Its not like u dont stalk my ass 24/7

[mild thunder]

Idk man I don’t respond to stuff when I’m asleep

[scarlet flame]

gl fellow warrior apes

[limber relic]

++

[mild thunder]

I only stalk atake (r1 turbo main) 🙏

[scarlet flame]

atake is a fury main, not a real warrior

[mild thunder]

He’s a Gigachad enh player with a triple digit iq

[scarlet flame]

oh shit he went to the blue class?

thats cringe

[mild thunder]

He doesn’t play ret/warr like @spice hornet

[scarlet flame]

im going to get my first glad playing ret war

jk i dont play enough to actually find teammates

[mild thunder]

Imma reroll back to arms this season if they don’t nerf it

I stg imma do it

And hate my life

[scarlet flame]

its fun most of the time

[limber relic]

Well warr will have fun after reset

Epic wep + huge nerfs

[scarlet flame]

dk might be my second character i play the most of tho tbh

like dk pumps so hard rn

[mild thunder]

It is not

[limber relic]

Cn u catalyst every week?

[mild thunder]

Every other week

[scarlet flame]

think its every 2 weeks

[limber relic]

Ripp

[scarlet flame]

idk i've had fun for most of the games i've played on it

big outliers are the ones im not supposed to have fun in

[mild thunder]

That’s because you only play boring specs fr tho

Ww is cringe now

[scarlet flame]

i literally cba thinking about what buttons im pressing for damage when i want to think about bigger picture things\

WW feels like dogshit

i played it for a few 3s and holy fuck i hate it

[mild thunder]

Tbf I don’t think about my rotation ever

Except during CA ig

But I actually have interesting utility, not just intervene Hurr durr

[scarlet flame]

i like how warrior damage feels and it gives me freedom to think about what i want to do in the arena rather than what i should be using

[mild thunder]

Ngl I think survival rotation is one of the easiest in WoW

Bomb

Mongoose

Some little stuff in between

Don’t get explosive dispelled

[scarlet flame]

i might boost a hunter and play it when i get mad at mages

to take revenge

just go que shuffle as MM

and just bully mages at low CR

[mild thunder]

Mm is cringe

Bm is cringe

[scarlet flame]

yeah but so i mage

is

[mild thunder]

Follow Rexxar, brother

[scarlet flame]

ill follow Chris Kyle tyvm

put some mage terrorists down

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/surrounded-by-wolves-geralt-of-rivia-the-witcher-the-witcher3wild-hunt-sieged-by-wolves-gif-26925128

Survival moment

[scarlet flame]

when your pets turn on you, you can only rely on your weapon

[mild thunder]

Sidenote, if you play green build in tw3, you a bitch

Sign build or gtfo

Red build ok too, but no twirls

[scarlet flame]

is green build decoction build

[mild thunder]

Ye alchemy

[scarlet flame]

that build is fun

[mild thunder]

It’s lame

[scarlet flame]

you can do red and green build for mega fun

[mild thunder]

It’s just a tank build

[scarlet flame]

tank is fun

tank that does huge damage

[mild thunder]

Signs with some red is the most fun

[scarlet flame]

100k crits

[mild thunder]

Big igni’s

[scarlet flame]

i thought sign build was magik cringe

[mild thunder]

Nah signs are chadly

[scarlet flame]

mage build are always cringe

[mild thunder]

Plus I love the griffin armour

Even tho everyone else hates how it looks

[scarlet flame]

glriffin armor is cool

i hate vipe and manticor

but the others are cool

bear is my fav tho

[mild thunder]

Bear is decent

The new dlc armour from the show looks wayyy better in-game than it did in the show lol

[scarlet flame]

the nilfgard one?

i thought it looked just as lame as in the show

[mild thunder]

Nah this

I hate the medallion tho

Ngl I hate everything from the show, it was so bad lol

[faint pumice]

So good dh got nerfs. TSG gonna crush bones

[urban skiff]

Why is it called TSG?

Tarrior Seathknight Gealer?

[scarlet flame]

its named after the team that first ran it

i forgot what it was but im pretty sure it was in wrath

[scarlet flame]

yeah its ugly af i dont like it

[sharp meteor]

Teh Super Gosus was the name of the team.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it was one of the wrath seasons.

The hpal from that team actually still plays from time to time, lmao.

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder i will say that was a fun game

[mild thunder]

Eh, to each their own

Imo I hate that they took all the skill expression out of ww and turned it into a tanky w key zug spec

[scarlet flame]

i lost that game but hitting a dude for 250k was fun

yeah you're weird like that

[mild thunder]

Monk shouldn’t be tanky

It’s dumb

[boreal veldt]

i was not expecting so many ice mage buffs

[slender lion]

Tbf frost mage was just a cc king, you could stand in frozen orb with no damage lol

[boreal veldt]

thats fair, i mean we usually get out of it pretty quick anyway

[slender lion]

If they are played well it can be damn near impossible to stay close

Between every ability slowing you, frost nova and double blink

It's my 2nd hated thing, 1st being full caster lobby where they just throw every cc on me 😢

[boreal veldt]

on caster lobbies i just jump on whoever is closest to my healer lmao

works 50/50

at least me healer is close

[slender lion]

Aye same. But then i find if it's a decent lobby people r usually miles apart from each other lol

[bright stream]

now thats some cope, monks tanky, wot?

[mild thunder]

Ww has one of the best defensive cool-down rotations in the game, on top of being decently passively tanky into other melee with FoF

Going on monks is bait

[wheat jay]

@mild thunder call me a fucking PROPHET

I called every single change that happened to dh

Every single one xD

And dh will still be good after the changes lol

[mild thunder]

Eh

I don’t remember

But I think these changes are a decent start… might still need more, we’ll see

[wheat jay]

That's like 20% nerf to dh burst

Or more

Inb4 dh plays for eyebeam again and it becomes 2 buttons

[mild thunder]

Inertia alone was nerfed by 33%

I imagine inertia is probably dead

But yea idk, we’ll see

[mild thunder]

Doubt it, eye beam does nothing without 10.1 tier

[wheat jay]

Its been nerfed from 18% to 12%

Still a big buff

Its a 33% nerf to ability, not 33% nerf to overall dmg

[mild thunder]

Yea that’s a 33% nerf… can definitely see you just not running it anymore over momentum

[wheat jay]

So not that big

People will still run it

Cuz dh is now more about big hits rather than consistent 24/7

[mild thunder]

6% damage all the time or 12% damage some of the time… idk, we’ll see

[wheat jay]

And you have huge uptime on it anyway

[clever ridge]

what about warrior

[mild thunder]

There’ll hopefully be extra tuning in another few weeks to tap the rest of the top specs into line

Kill shot damage increased by 50% when

[wheat jay]

And now i have to see how dh is with tier and full gear

Cuz dh will play full mastery

[mild thunder]

Dh tier is so ass lol

[wheat jay]

So it MIGHT end up similar to what it was at start

[mild thunder]

All it does is sometimes save you a global

[wheat jay]

With all the crafted pieces with mastery

[wheat jay]

Yep

[mild thunder]

Did you see the guy in here that was trying to say safeguard is bad?

[vivid pumice]

Should I save for conquest weapon or use trophies on the bloody weapon?

[wheat jay]

Bruh what?

Delusional

[mild thunder]

@spark sparrow

[wheat jay]

Conq weapon is always better

[spark sparrow]

zero users

[wheat jay]

Chad dh main

[mild thunder]

You do realise Murlok.io is bugged, right?

[vivid pumice]

It just feels like ass waiting 2 weeks on one piece of gear while everyone will be rocking 2 pieces at worst

[wheat jay]

It is what it is

Weapon gives you the most dmg

Out of all the items you can get

[vivid pumice]

Guess I'll use the trophies on gear then

[wheat jay]

@mild thunder

As i said, I am a fucking PROPHET

[mild thunder]

Curiously you said that’s the only nerf you should get

[wheat jay]

Those are the nerfs i thought would be enough

And I hit the mark with those perfectly xD

[faint pumice]

I should’ve gear two warriors the same time, cause I just realized, that if I will not get a set item from the vault in next two vaults then I will get 4 set in a month (guaranteed)

[mild thunder]

@spark sparrow you ok homie?