pvp

[mild thunder]

Is that a hard fucking concept

[bright stream]

that's not the same thing

[scarlet flame]

okay bud

[bright stream]

he's talking about where he's focusing

like its fine

but you're basically just assuming the worst and giving someone a hard time over what amounts to nothing

because it doesnt jive with your opinion

[mild thunder]

By giving the guy the right answer and explaining it)

?*

Stats vary in PvP

[bright stream]

but you didnt give him the right answer

[scarlet flame]

well he keeps ignoring the fact his pve min max dps doesn't matter in pvp

[mild thunder]

Pretty much always have

[bright stream]

you spouted stupid dogma

both of you

[scarlet flame]

so yeah im going to think the worst

[mild thunder]

THIS IS THE RIGHT FUCKING answer dog

[bright stream]

you applied no consideration to the specifics, no critical thought

[mild thunder]

Dogma? Holy shit

[bright stream]

man literally just asking you

[mild thunder]

Saying stats change priority on matchup is dogma 🤡

[bright stream]

"what stat does better dam?"

and you're like "SaTs dOnT maTTeR"

[broken meadow]

It's basic logic, optimizing stats does not reduce your ability to focus on other things at all. And if it's matchup dependant that still doesn't mean the optimal way is to ignore it. You simply have different stat priorities based on expected uptime %

[scarlet flame]

ive already said they both give basically the same dam

[mild thunder]

Idk, what’re you versing
What do you have on your team
What build are you playing

And yes, pointing out that hyper focusing on stats is bait for newer players

Is a good thing

[leaden rune]

can we all not spam people with people argueing

[mild thunder]

Because it is bait

[bright stream]

hes 2400xp

[broken meadow]

And that's exactly why I clarified that I'm not a new player

[scarlet flame]

when is he 2400xp 15 years ago?

[broken meadow]

Literally last season

[mild thunder]

Shuffle?

[bright stream]

recommend muting the channel

[mild thunder]

[broken meadow]

Look I don't care about your opinions here

Yeah I'm just going to get out

This is a pointless argument

[leaden rune]

in reality theres alsorts of diffrent things you have to consider in pvp stats,strats,rotation,cd trading

[ivory ice]

just copy meta build and pump big dik deeps on arms for hitting 4 buttons

[leaden rune]

and shit tons more

now stop compairing dicks and chill

[bright stream]

yeah, basically why I said sim with pvp mods, and only treat it as a rough thing

cause most pvp players dont care

[mild thunder]

Idk if I can give a more legit answer than “stats vary depending on situation, but most people balance haste and mastery” which is the stock standard answer in this channel

If you can’t comprehend that, take an iq test

[leaden rune]

staying alive is the most important thing the longer you live the more damage you do as you cant do damage dead

[scarlet flame]

if most of them dont care it probably doesn't matter

[bright stream]

I get the sentiment with this jab, but in earnest those tests arent as useful as younger people tend to think

[mild thunder]

Who

[bright stream]

yeah it mostly doesnt matter, only important in edge cases for some classes

[mild thunder]

Arms doesn’t have breakpoints
You’re not carefully balancing x% haste to squeeze in one more mortal strike
The gap between haste and mastery is so minor that it does depend on other factors - matchup, uptime, armour, build etc. and most of that can ultimately be decided by preference

It’s genuinely not a hard sell

Simming yourself in PvP tells you next to nothing because you don’t play arenas like raid fights

It’s not scripted

You don’t have max uptime

You don’t follow a single rotation

You consolidate damage for more impactful burst

Etc

Crit sucks for arms but if I know all I’m gonna play is thunder cleave, I’m gonna take like 20% crit

[bright stream]

3s is very scripted
some classes have very high uptimes
and many classes follow a specific rotiation most of the time

only some classes are highly dynamic, saying thats not the case is wrong

[scarlet flame]

the only 3s thats scripted is AWC and even then they make mistakes

arena is not scripted like pve is

and trying to pretend it is is disingenuous to people who dont understand that

especially now with how good some healers are you will literally never kill someone through pve damage alone

[ivory ice]

saying 3s is very scripted is a hot ass take esp if you're talking about warrior where if you get kited/cc'd the shit out of you, which can happen against some specs even if your smart, your "script" is just trashed

[mild thunder]

Im not taking this seriously

Is there CD trading? Yes
Is it scripted in such a way as is comparable to raid sims? Cmon

[bright stream]

I think you just dont have any idea what you're talking about. Go do some mythic raiding and come back and tell me that coordinated 3s isnt scripted.

[mild thunder]

Depending on your comp and rating, you should be generating so much pressure that you’re breaking scripted trading anyway

[scarlet flame]

yeah lets watch mythic RTWF and watch them all literally do the exact same thing 30 times in a row with 20 different players

and lets go watch AWC and see how many do the exact same thing at the exact same time 30 times in a row

watch 20 no lifers in WF kill literally moving the exact same direction at the exact same time over and over and over

then stand absolutley still to min max their dps on a boss that doesn't move

yup same as 3s

[mild thunder]

Just like 3s

[fallen spruce]

just had some guy accuse me of win trading in 1700-1800

[scarlet flame]

[fallen spruce]

sent me paragraphs of harassment and slurs lul

[bright stream]

The way that 3s is 'scripted' is things like cooldown trading, positioning, and target choices, and if you play enough games on the same class/spec with the same team - its very scripted in a similar capacity to raiding

[scarlet flame]

the biggest difference between arena and pve is that when you make a mistake in arenas you do things to dynamically change it to your benefit or move into a spot that doesn't cause you to lose a match

in pve you just die and reset from the start

its not even close

and you're the one throwing dogma around now lmao

the best target is not the same every second of an arena

you might not see every single CD

you might be on GCD when they use a CD

your team might not react fast enough

theres a million different aspects to arena

[bright stream]

you swap based on cooldowns, positioning

IE based on the script

[scarlet flame]

nah you're dumb as rocks

cba

[bright stream]

lol

[scarlet flame]

if the mage with all his CDS stands next to you and literally never moves are you going to go beat up the spriest or the mage

[bright stream]

you call me dumb as rocks in one breath, but in the next you make it clear that your perspective on what makes something scripted/pve is standing still and doing a dps rotation

thats only relevant in low-mid pve

[scarlet flame]

yup

[bright stream]

you literally don't know what you're talking about

[scarlet flame]

because WF mythic kills aren't people standing in the exact same spot

[bright stream]

in even basic mythic raiding,

[scarlet flame]

and moving from point A to B then back to A over and over

lmao

[bright stream]

those things are the baseline to play

rotation

and you rarely stand still

because the mechanics dont permit it

[scarlet flame]

rotation is exactly the same no matter what

[bright stream]

what makes it scripted

[scarlet flame]

the mechanics come out at pre-determined times

and they happen at the exact same time every time

in every single kill of the boss

[bright stream]

not really, it changes patch to patch, and many classes are given trinkets and set bonuses to avoid this

on top of mythic fights typically requiring mechanics be acknowledged via rotational changes

[scarlet flame]

so it goes from the same rotation to "when trinket is on do the exact same rotation":

[bright stream]

kinda like how you go from trying to kill the rogue to swapping during evade

its very similar

[scarlet flame]

how many mythic boss fights are there that have 4 different mechanics that happen randomly every single atempt

[scarlet flame]

no its really not

[bright stream]

literally all of them

[scarlet flame]

literally none of them

[bright stream]

the mechanic placement and targets are randomly asigned

and in some cases the timing of them

[scarlet flame]

but its the same mechanic

at the same time

and the point you move to is the exact same every time

no matter who has it

[bright stream]

so is evade just not evade sometimes whena rogue uses it?

[scarlet flame]

you can't evade in a stun

[bright stream]

oh he popped evade in round two, that's not evade! that's revade!

[mild thunder]

Do rogues always use evade the same way at the same time?

[bright stream]

when the gameplay gets refined often yes

[scarlet flame]

i can also choose to run away

[mild thunder]

Evading aggressively pretty pog when you can do it

[scarlet flame]

or attack the healer

[mild thunder]

Or just to push a win condition

[mild thunder]

The answer was no

[scarlet flame]

you dont evade at the same CD every time in every arena at the same time in the arena

[bright stream]

thats your answer, and its wrong

example

how many times

have you heard a rogue streamer say

we win next go?

[scarlet flame]

you mean the next setup?

that has more than 1 way to counter it?

[mild thunder]

Do I look like I watch rogue streamers? Also, how often do people say that and get it wrong lmao

That’s such a bad point

[bright stream]

they get it wrong at lower ratings/skill levels

at higher levels they get it right very often

which is my point

[mild thunder]

No, they get it wrong all the time

[scarlet flame]

id argue that they get it wrong more often than they get it right

tbh

so is it scripted that rogues fuck up their own setup kills

[mild thunder]

I ain’t gonna get baited into this tho

[mild thunder]

Yes

100% that’s scripted

Because rogues are retardded

[scarlet flame]

yeah they are about as dumb as this guys takes

[mild thunder]

My feral cloning my explosive shot is also scripted

Unironically

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

If all your watching is RMP, RMP, RMP, RMP then I can maybe slightly understand this take a little more

But that’s the minority of arena games

[deft wharf]

imagine actively wanting to watch rmx

[mild thunder]

As jungle, there are tons of times where we just make plays for pressure

[bright stream]

the script in PvE is that there are timings that the boss/encounter uses X ability, where the raid team has to respond with Y cooldowns. (This varies heavily on raid composition - similar to arena comps)
the script in PvP - 3s in particular, is that you trade cooldowns against other cooldowns, and swap targets based on those cooldowns and positions. This ends up extremely refined at higher ratings, and particularly for certain comps.

[mild thunder]

Wild ahh plays for pressure

[mild thunder]

Real

[bright stream]

be real with me here

RMX is literally the most played comp in arena history

and its highly scripted right?

[scarlet flame]

yeah when i watch people push R1 they are literally doing the exact same things every single time

[mild thunder]

On ladder? Doubt

In recent seasons? Definitely not

This is a “I only watch awc and never play arena” take

[bright stream]

recently less so, but historically I thinkit is by a fucking mile

[scarlet flame]

every warrior retals at the exact same time VS every single DK

[deft wharf]

Historically maybe 10 years ago

[mild thunder]

Even when RMP is super strong it’s usually not king of ladder

[bright stream]

problem is that we havent really had stable comps in recent seasons, lots of variance

[bright stream]

yeah thats a fair point

[mild thunder]

Because why sweat playing RMP when you can play ret/warr

[scarlet flame]

but its scripted

[bright stream]

but it doesnt detract from what I was getting at

[scarlet flame]

so the #1 comp beats every other comp every time

because its scripted

[bright stream]

which is that the way RMX is played, and spoken about is often described as scripted by players

[mild thunder]

It does, because you’re giving awc RMP takes, not real arena takes

[bright stream]

so is it not that unreasonable to apply the same logic to other comps that do similar things?

[scarlet flame]

yes it is unreasonable

because if its scripted you wont beat the #1 comp

no matter what you do

because its scripted

[mild thunder]

The only other comp that’s even remotely similar to RMP is fmp, and that’s a stretch

[bright stream]

this does happen for some comps

[mild thunder]

So yea it’s unreasonable

[scarlet flame]

it doesn't

[bright stream]

some comps cannot beat RMP consistently

[scarlet flame]

because the #1 comp still loses to comps it shouldn't

because its not scripted

[bright stream]

you're talking about the players ability to execute the script

[mild thunder]

Some players with some comps can’t beat other players with other comps consistently***

[bright stream]

not if it is or is not scripted

[scarlet flame]

if you beat the script its not scripted

thats not how it works lol

[bright stream]

lol

no

[mild thunder]

Do you think most arena players go in with a script into RMP?

[bright stream]

a script in gaming is a technical term and has a precise meaning

[scarlet flame]

yeah like pve

[bright stream]

I do, yes

[scarlet flame]

where it all happens exactly the same every time

[mild thunder]

Idk what to say then LOL

[scarlet flame]

whats really wild is you can say this but 2 rmp games can be vastly different in how they play out

with the same players no less

[bright stream]

maybe just have a think about it a little

[mild thunder]

I’m tapping out

I’m gonna be polite and not respond

Mashallah

[scarlet flame]

you can go watch AWC where people play the same comps into the same comps and win or lose differently lmao

[bright stream]

if you place two teams against each other over and over

you'll see things become very scripted

[gaunt notch]

hit 1800 the first week in solo queue this season

[scarlet flame]

well i can go watch liquid play GG and win and lose in totally different ways each time

[gaunt notch]

..normally i would be done for the season but i want the mount

[scarlet flame]

nice man gz

[gaunt notch]

im only 12% done with it..

[mild thunder]

Nice man gz

[bright stream]

and whats changing between those rounds? is it game 1 and 2 against each other? Is it game 30 and 31 against each other?

players/classes/arena the same?

[scarlet flame]

its game 1-200 that they all play differently

[bright stream]

so you're saying that they either don't learn from each game

or that theres an infinite skill ceiling in wow

both of which are interesting takes

[scarlet flame]

yeah they do learn, and change how they play the next game

thats why its not scripted

because its played out differently every time

with the same players on the same comps on the same maps

[bright stream]

they're learning/discovering the script in your example

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

bro you need to lay off the anime

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/math-hangover-movie-the-alan-gif-13330243

[bright stream]

I'm 30, I haven't watched anime since I was a teenager

lol

[mild thunder]

Me discovering the script

(I’m learning in real-time)

[scarlet flame]

right blizzard coded the script the players are just figuring it out

i blinked 2 seconds earlier than last game gotta restart because of the script

[bright stream]

the script in this case is the 'optimal strategy' for both teams

[scarlet flame]

my finger moved .2 seconds slower than last game

time to reset for the script

if it changes every single match its not a script bud

[mild thunder]

Why can’t my fellow aussies be as based as me? Why they gotta give bad takes all the time sadge

[bright stream]

just like in raiding how the 'script' is not actually just the coded sequence of events, but rather how the raid responds to them

[scarlet flame]

except it gets figured out then every single team copies it down to the letter and it never changes

no 2 people respond to an opener the same

[bright stream]

tell me you've never raided beyond heroic without telling me you've never raided beyond heroic

[mild thunder]

Both me and my dps partner don’t respond at all, does that count?

[scarlet flame]

okay ill go watch people copy the WF kills on mythic until next tier just to prove you wrong

[bright stream]

that must be why all the rogues and wars disarm my opener

[scarlet flame]

wild mine doesn't get disarmed

they must not be following the script

[mild thunder]

Skill issue

Bladestorm next time

Learn the script

[bright stream]

DK doesnt have bladestorm

lol

[scarlet flame]

just trinket it

[mild thunder]

Line one of the script is play arms

You already failed

[bright stream]

you dont have to this season as much, you don't use SS to pop wounds

[mild thunder]

Also this fr, dk has 30 cc escapes just trinket the disarm

[bright stream]

so my script is to check if I need to heal

and then I trinket it

[mild thunder]

Wait, you’re dk disarm doesn’t even do anything lmao

[scarlet flame]

and it plays out exactly the same every time after you check if you need to heal and then trinket

[bright stream]

dot build changed it

but it used to be important

and it still prevents deathstrike

[scarlet flame]

i just retal so you can't DS me

no pont in disarming

[mild thunder]

Also you’re a dk

[bright stream]

if people execute the script

[mild thunder]

Just DnD them out

Why you getting opened on

[scarlet flame]

whos script is right

[bright stream]

the vs rogue script starts with 2 dnds

lol

[scarlet flame]

whos script is right tho

what if another dk says differently and hes a higher rating

is your script just wrong

[bright stream]

could be, very possible

[mild thunder]

I write the prime scripts

What I say goes

[scarlet flame]

so if no one knows the script then there are no scripts

[bright stream]

no

the script is the optimal play for a matchup

just because my version of it is not correct

doesnt mean it doesnt exist

or that I dont have one

[scarlet flame]

the absence of evidence is proof of nonexistence

[bright stream]

your inability to evalutate and recognise evidence is not an absence

[scarlet flame]

your inability to prove evidence other than anecdotal skepticism is not real evidence

[bright stream]

lol

[scarlet flame]

lol

[mild thunder]

Lol

[bright stream]

anecdotal skepticism

I don't think you know what those two words mean

because they're utter nonsense together

[scarlet flame]

i dont think you know what script means

cause what you're saying is utter nonsense

[mild thunder]

I just wanna know how any of this justifies simming stats for pvp lol

[bright stream]

in this context a script is a repeating pattern of events

[bright stream]

I don't personally find real value in simming - this conversation was more related to the idea that a better rotation/more damage was beneficial

[scarlet flame]

and if you refuse to define the terms other than extreme vagueness its not a pattern reliable enough to follow

[mild thunder]

This conversation was started by me pointing out why simming is bad in PvP - because it’s not scripted like raid fights

and then you started this diatribe

[bright stream]

repeating means that it happens over and over
pattern means that its in the same sequence
events in this case refer to things like using cooldowns, changing targets, changing position

[mild thunder]

Even keys are hard to sim for lmao

And bro wants people to sim for arenas

[bright stream]

my language was specific, but I can precisely define terms if you like

[scarlet flame]

and unlike in pvp in pve you use the same CDS for the same mechanics, at the same time, every single time

and usually the same exact person uses the same exact CD for the same exact mechanic at the same exact pre-determined time in every single fight

you dont have people ask if they can use the CD

[bright stream]

just as I expect the same thing to happen in arena

[scarlet flame]

they say "x use cd for y in z time"

[bright stream]

tanda

[scarlet flame]

and you're right 100% of the time every time

[mild thunder]

If you’re bad

[scarlet flame]

just like in raids everything is already known how it will play out

[bright stream]

except things like mechanic targets, and mechanic positions which are randomised, sure

or raid compositions

or dynamic buffs

sure

[scarlet flame]

except the spot you move to for targeted mehanics is the same for anyone regardless of who they are

[bright stream]

this is rarely the case in mythic raiding

[scarlet flame]

and some mechanics are literally only for ranged or melee

[mild thunder]

Except most raid groups run the same core classes (x mages, x rogues, x priests etc) so none of that matters

[scarlet flame]

so you'll never have a melee who has to run to ranged or the other way around

[bright stream]

in mythic raiding most mechanics are for melee, with a similar/slightly lesser number for ranged players

generally speaking

[bright stream]

not at all correct

[scarlet flame]

so ranged generally speaking dont give a shit about most of the mechanics

[mild thunder]

Thats not mythic raiding lol

[scarlet flame]

because its not for them

[mild thunder]

That’s all pve

[bright stream]

world first they run similar, which is your equivalent to AWC, but outside of that the mythic community which is roughly similar to duelist+ is highly varied

[scarlet flame]

highly varied of the top specs only

[mild thunder]

Why are we talking about awc and rwf? They’re basically different games to ladder and prog

[bright stream]

to be specific and provide context

[mild thunder]

And no, most prog guilds also run very particular team cores

[bright stream]

because otherwise tanda will complain about it

[bright stream]

you straight up don't know shit about what you're talking about

[mild thunder]

And you do? Do you raid CE or push high arenas?

[scarlet flame]

ill complain about it because you say "CD trading is scripted" but refuse to accept that CD trading is to broad a term to define scripted content

[bright stream]

I've done both yes

[mild thunder]

High arenas like what

[scarlet flame]

because you dont have to CD trade every time with the same CD at the same time

like in raids

where you CD trade the exact same CD for the same mechanic in every fight

[bright stream]

2400ish is usually where I play these days

[scarlet flame]

and you refuse to accept those are two different things

[mild thunder]

In shuffle

Not in arenas

[bright stream]

I was around the same rating in 3s before I didnt have time or it

[mild thunder]

Cap

Also fr if you have time for shuffle you have time for 3s

Do better

Shuffle must die

[bright stream]

shuffle is very manageable when WFH

[scarlet flame]

i like shuffle madge

[bright stream]

3 games a day, work between queues

[bright stream]

tbh I kinda like shuffle

and I know this will give you an aneurism - because its more dynamic and less scripted

[scarlet flame]

brother whatever you're cooking in that pressure cooker you call a brain is fried beyond measure

[mild thunder]

Dude in the nicest way possible, cause you’re being a prick and telling everyone they don’t know what they’re talking about - you haven’t played high enough rated 3s (especially recently) to have a valid opinion and act this way

[bright stream]

LOL

[mild thunder]

Even between seasons how repitive/scripted/predictable 3s is changed because of meta - SL was probably way more scripted then DF

TWW may be more or less predictable than arena is now

[bright stream]

coupla things

your opinion should stand on its own merit, you shouldn't have to 'pull rank' to validate your opinion

[mild thunder]

.

[bright stream]

you and old mate both had plenty of comments at me before I gave you a hard time

and
I also beat you on the pissing context of expertise and experience

you could be R1 in wow

and I would beat you on the pissing context

[scarlet flame]

what does this even mean bro

[bright stream]

it means that I've got qualifications and professional work experience that mean I win the pissing contest

[scarlet flame]

who said you won anything

[mild thunder]

Not sure what you even mean by this - I made my point clear… you don’t (and I barely have) enough in-game experience to judge how predictable high rated 3s are… you’re basing it off awc which is NOT reflective of ladder play

[scarlet flame]

if its just you saying it who cares you're a nobody

[mild thunder]

Plain and simple

[mild thunder]

What lmao

[bright stream]

old mate said my opinion didnt matter because I hadn't achieved X

[scarlet flame]

okay well your opinion doesn't matter because you're dumb as hell hows that

and thats not him saying you won anything either

thats just you making things up again

[bright stream]

exactly the sort of inane and moronic perspective I expect of you?

[scarlet flame]

ironic considering i think the exact same of you

must be the script

[bright stream]

thought you didn't believe in scripts

the mental consistency of sun baked milk

[scarlet flame]

i clearly believe in scripts because i've already said they exist in pve

[mild thunder]

I just wanna know what this has to do with anything lmao

Some boomer twice my age trying to flex work history in a wow server

[bright stream]

you told me I don't have a valid opinion on something in the game because I'm not high enough ranked
I'm telling you, that my opinion is based on my qualifications and professional work history, which are more significant than any rating in the game

[scarlet flame]

your work history doesn't matter at all in this video game

homeless bums are R1 and you're not

[mild thunder]

Tbf it wasn’t because you’re not high ranked, it’s because you don’t have experience playing the high rated 3s you’re talking about

[bright stream]

2400 is plenty high

thats usually the top 1-2%

[scarlet flame]

2400 isn't 3k+ where you're talking about

[mild thunder]

Yeeee

[bright stream]

I never for a moment suggested that the effect I was describing started at 3k

[scarlet flame]

just like someone whos been 1400 isn't going to know what 2400 arenas are

[bright stream]

it starts much earlier than that and gets stronger over time

[mild thunder]

You were talking about awc

[scarlet flame]

those goal posts aren't even in the ground huh

[mild thunder]

And mostly RMP

Which is not comparable to 2400

[mild thunder]

100% does not

[bright stream]

I used RMP as an example, and I responded to your/tandas comments about AWC, and provided context once on AWC to exclude it

[mild thunder]

Unless you’re versing RMP

It’s a lot more scripted

[bright stream]

it does, in 3s it starts to be visible as low as 2100 depending on the length of the season

[scarlet flame]

you have fun flexing work history to people who dont even care about you, im gunna go watch smite playoffs

[mild thunder]

Based

My Levi’s are doing well

[scarlet flame]

YES

[mild thunder]

Adaptking

[scarlet flame]

LEVIS ALL THE WAY

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

VAMOS VAMOS VAMOS

fineo needs a ring

i love that guy

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-frustrated-freak-out-scared-going-mad-gif-14678851

[scarlet flame]

LOL

[bright stream]

it'd have only been flexing if I'd brought it up first (before chads comment) or gone into detail about it

[mild thunder]

You did bring up work history first

[scarlet flame]

no one brought up your real life loser

[mild thunder]

Idk what it was even in response to

[mild thunder]

Also just

Not true

[bright stream]

I brought it up in response, not unprompted

[scarlet flame]

it was unprompted

doesn't matter at all speaking about a video game

[mild thunder]

Shit I didn’t play a single game predictably last season, I’m just doing shit for pressure

Do I miss trap? Who cares

Do I land trap? Who cares, it got broken anyway

[scarlet flame]

might as well not throw trap and just pve dps because that matters more

[mild thunder]

Can we clone? Cool, let’s swap for no reason

Oh never mind we killed the rdruid in a stun

[mild thunder]

I’d be able to do more damage if my explosives didn’t get cloned

My favourite tho

Is when I pre-silence with chimaera

Because I’m 10 steps ahead

And my feral gives precog as the silence ticks over

Dirty little feline c*nt

[fallen estuary]

god fucking damnit

tanda got into a arguement

without me

https://tenor.com/view/早安圖2023風景-gif-2644993955788734679

i play the xbox for 2 hours

and this happens

unbelieveable

[mild thunder]

Whatcha playing

[fallen estuary]

halo CE

doming people and spawning on grenades

[scarlet flame]

respectable

[bright stream]

it wasnt that exciting

we can T one up for later if you want in

find an opening in the calendar

[fallen estuary]

never is but torturing peoples my specialty and i missed it

[bright stream]

oi @scarlet flame @mild thunder because he rage bailed in R6 I gained rating instead of gaining nothing lmao

[scarlet flame]

did the monk trinket sap?

[bright stream]

I probably woulda just frustrated you tbh

[fallen estuary]

thats the reason why i advocate for healers to get nothing

[scarlet flame]

i dont think you frustrated anyone

[bright stream]

honestly I wasn't paying him much attention, I was in the middle of my like 9 button set up lmao

[scarlet flame]

i should give dk a shot too

[bright stream]

its super good/fun rn

[scarlet flame]

warrior been fun as hell so i haven't played my dk yet

[bright stream]

there's a bit of a game blockage in SS at 2100

lots of ragebails

so you'll like, win 2-3 rounds, and someone fucks off, you get ~5 points, do that a few times, and then get an unlucky lobby

[scarlet flame]

i dont think you should be able to leave a match

tbh

[bright stream]

feels real bad

the 150 rating they lose is fair in a way

but it should lead to bans faster

its also always fucking healers

[scarlet flame]

nah if you intentionally leave you should get 7 day ban from SS

and it doubles every time you do it

[fallen estuary]

just open a ticket like i do and they get banned near instantly

[scarlet flame]

so eventually you're just perma banned

[fallen estuary]

last season i had talked to 2 gms and gotten action taken on 2 healers for intentionally griefing my lobbies

[fallen estuary]

i was told that the one disc priest i reported had nearly 24 reports on himself and was currently being investigated

[bright stream]

they should have kept the report here for gameplay

[fallen estuary]

SS his name and text and goto blizzard website and submit the pic and your story

and wa-la

you might even get to talk to a elusive gm like i did

so yea

fuck healers and report healers

[bright stream]

also unrelated

that shout pvp talent is nutty af

[boreal veldt]

i doubted it

but hoooly

having an aoe root is kinda goated

[umbral blaze]

Where can I get a list of every class’s “walls” / defensives / offensives. CD’s. So I know what to do for cd trading

[lost flax]

What are you guys crafting for your 2nd PVP piece

[bright stream]

Ive heard heads bad so gonna do either ring or chest + boots

[lost flax]

not going tier chest?

[naive arch]

hey guys, when making the infused boots, do I need to add optional reagents?

do i slam a verdant trophy of conquest on it?

[rotund trellis]

you need the token to make it ilvl high as conquest

[naive arch]

is that all I need?

[rotund trellis]

yes

[naive arch]

ok thx

[spice hornet]

they actually ban for that?

i throw lobvbies all the time since ih ave 3 warrs and 2 locks

love seeing some little crybaby get ass hurt over shuffle rating

straight up afk in the starting room when crybaby is on my team only

[spice hornet]

i like how WW is still borderline unpunishable

[mild thunder]

I like how arms is still borderline unpunishable

[spice hornet]

its not thoo...

call me when dbts is on a 10 sec cd and does daamge

[mild thunder]

How many bladestorms do you have?

What’s that Spammable defensive?

What’s that stance you have?

[spice hornet]

bladestormdoesnt parry you stupid aussie

[mild thunder]

What’s that melee immune you have?

[spice hornet]

jesus fotm'd so long doesnt know our abilities anymore

@ archi

its time to take out the trash

[mild thunder]

Oh piss off

[spice hornet]

starting with the hunter fotms

[mild thunder]

You can’t be stunned

[spice hornet]

@ galachad @galatarji

[mild thunder]

And you don’t die outside stuns

How do you die anyway

Does your little bro not press sac?

[spice hornet]

yes

[mild thunder]

Throw him out

[spice hornet]

hes learning to type on the keyboard without looking

[mild thunder]

He’s 12, right? Surely he can touch type by now

Imagine being turbo
Losing to a ret/warr
Where the ret doesn’t even sac

@ atake

[spice hornet]

atake lurking daily

[mild thunder]

Bro is a terminal L now

[spice hornet]

where has your boy seifcham been

[mild thunder]

Pushing 2s apparently

I haven’t been on all week

[spice hornet]

not missing anythign

just regard dhs running around getting free rating this week

[mild thunder]

I’d rather pve atm tbh

[spice hornet]

Good idea

would like to know what the DPS who hit 2.4 in the first liike 2 days of season do for a living

[bright stream]

they dont work

or a very small number wow/streaming as a job - often enough cause they dont have to work
R1 has been basically the same for as long as I can remember

[muted surge]

Why?

In my job as a software dev I can work whenever I want.
If I’m in Homeoffice I can just queue and work during the queue, take 10 min break todo a shuffle and then back to work

[fallen raft]

dream job

i have a friend like that who does the same, works and queues for some 20min epic bgs sometimes while working

[bright stream]

WFH dev homie

noice

[hardy dragon]

arms rotation

[muted surge]

good talk

[fallen raft]

btw conquest gear can be upgraded now without the requirement of rank?

[muted surge]

not sure, but upgrading is useless anyway as its just pve ilvl

[fallen raft]

yea

in s1 i had 2 sets of items 1 for pve and 1 for pvp i kept swapping them out all the time as i was dogshit to get any rank so always stayed at unranked upgrade thats why i had to kept swapping

in s2 i was bored and just stuck with pvp gear

[muted surge]

i mean, if you want to do pve you need pve gear anyway

bcs the stats are horrible on the pvp gear for that

if you just wanna do some hcs and shit ,ye otherwise its eh

[fallen raft]

they are but for open world and legacy raids like bfa ilvl very important

[mild thunder]

arms rotation

[urban skiff]

Mostly same, but my phone always seems to ring in the middle of something intense and even if I don't pick up, i'll be out of the mindset

[bright stream]

I find it helps me focus on work as well

getting those consistent breaks

but maybe thats me

[magic wing]

Dream work if you count in gym breaks and some social contant

[bright stream]

you got a home gym? I recently dropped my bag and picked up a treadmill

super pref it

[urban skiff]

I'm a project manager so whenever my phone calls it's 99% of the time an issue that needs immediate attention. Anything that isn't a hurry is always an email.

Also fully stocked homegym but picking up the phone while out of breath don't sound good so have to book bogus meetings if I want to get a session in during work hours

[muted surge]

Man i wish our „project managers“ would know what an acute problem Isa dm what not. I get way too many messages asking for shit that doesn’t require immediate attention from me

But everyone thinks that their shit is the only thing that matters :<

[bright stream]

I dunno if Zercher fits this description

but to date, I've had a single project manager that knew their shit, and didn't either actively get in my way and create problems, or do it through incompetence

non technical PMs are

in a word - bad

I did meet one guy who was meant to be a new PM for my team at the time, who got fired from the company for having opinions about what the family business c-suite could do to improve (was keen for him, he was sick)

lmao

[pure hornet]

So tuesday should i get weapon? Or complete 4 set?

Gala?

[urban skiff]

I won't pretend to know much about what I do. My job entirely is to remove obstacles from the people who do the work. Sometimes that means breaking up a fight and sometimes it means getting out of the way and letting people do their thing and shielding them from repercussions of a poor decision.

Being a PM in construction business isn't fun and games. It's a herding cats in a place where adult people will lie to you and gaslight you right in your face even when you have proof they did something bad.

[bright stream]

oh yeah dif industries are very different as well, unfortunately the nature of my work is that the projects are highly technical

and estimates are extremely difficult to provide

[muted surge]

The company i work for actively works against giving our project managers any technical know how.
1 girl even started studying again just to learn something technical . It’s so bad :(

[bright stream]

like the classic

"Why did this take longer than the estimate?"

[urban skiff]

I hate giving time estimates. I run like 20-30 active projects at once. It doesn't take a lot of unforseen issues to shift the upcoming projects weeks or even months. And when making district heating in a city that's over 100 years old, you rarely know what you'll find in the ground before digging.

[bright stream]

"its an estimate set without the development teams input - not a deadline"

[muted surge]

That’s all you gotta do tho.
As soon as you try to get involved more than necessary it goes downhill

[bright stream]

and that shit enrages them

[urban skiff]

haha yea, both of you are right

I'm thinking about shifting into PM in production instead but I enjoy spending half my work day outside with the crew instead of being cooped up in a factory all day

[muted surge]

Hey I get time to estimate shit. I had a whole 30 min to guess how much time we need to fulfill all requirements. Without analysisng I was a bit off the mark(like 50% bcs some req were not possible). But I got blamed :<

I hate working in IT ngl

[urban skiff]

Sometimes I'll fill a themos with coffee and drive out to a site and just sit in the car just to see something other than office lights

[bright stream]

sounds like your company/team is shit tbh

[urban skiff]

At least I get to plan my entire work day / week with zero input from my boss or anyone. Nobody knows what I do or where I'm supposed to be.

[bright stream]

or the other one

[urban skiff]

IT seems so cutthroat, I don't see how people can stand the work

[bright stream]

when I was a junior the pm giving me shit for estimates I made that were off that he oversaw

and me being like, welp, you signed off on it, you're meant to be the lead dev and pm of the team, why did you approve it?

[bright stream]

depends on the company, my current company and team are sick

and of course we've all got our areas to improve

but its really good

[urban skiff]

He was just teaching you your first lesson on CYA

[bright stream]

oh man this guy was something else

his first bit of feedback to me was "stop speaking in meetings, I can't understand you and you sound stupid"

[muted surge]

At least we don’t have that issue.
I just have to argue with our project managers why’d estimates are so high. And explain why we can’t just lower it.

Which is a bit tiring

[bright stream]

english was his second language, and he was struggling with jargon, complex language, and business terms when I spoke

[muted surge]

Nice

[bright stream]

before I bailed I heard about a few sexual harrassment claims that got put in against him lmao

[urban skiff]

that's straight up "I'm going to stab you in the back first chance i get"-territory if it had been me

[urban skiff]

Man I hate hate hate argueing with people about bills.

Like the subcontractors will straight up lie to bill extra and I have to sit and meticulously discuss with a bunch of rednecks about what contract words mean..

[frank knoll]

That’s a huge problem in Florida

With roofers specifically

[urban skiff]

Florida is like 40% roofers

[sage raptor]

So many roofers

Anyways look what I found at Wal-Mart

[urban skiff]

That's kinda cool

if I didn't have a homegym I'd put those on before training

[sage raptor]

Why yes, I do in fact need to moisturize my man boobs. How did you know?

[muted surge]

Can I dry scoop protein powder?

Let me rephrase

Is it bad to do that

[magic wing]

Nah public

[spice hornet]

I’d this fried hour?

[faint pumice]

Have you found an answer?

[urban skiff]

nah, i did a fuckton of bgs and some skirmishes but forgot to examine the logs to find my biggest hits

might do when i get home, if i remember

[frank knoll]

Man, this season hasn’t even been out for a week and it’s already dead

I think a lot of people expect rated solo RBGs

Didnt realize it would just be a brawl

[boreal veldt]

I mean they're probably just testing to make sure the ranking system is fine before they release it later down the line

[thick reef]

That's because people are regarded and can't read patch notes

[leaden lynx]

lol@ the clowns that request crafting orders for like 5 gold providing 0 mats

[river walrus]

Pretty sure pvp tuning that didn't happen for months now has something to do with this shit

Everyone new in pre season specs that would be broken and blizzard still ignoring pvp tuning

[muted surge]

It works tho

[urban skiff]

They're not going to tune anything until we have weapons and 4set

[river walrus]

Even dumber then

Specs like frost dk completely garbage while DH, arms and UH dk are extremely broken

[elder island]

putting arms in the category of uh dk and dh is silly

very strong, but not the same league

[urban skiff]

You're right, fury is way stronker

[fallen estuary]

yo @sharp meteor you got a pvp build for fury 2 set

[river walrus]

Hmmmm I out arms there because of utility. With the new pvp talents arms utility is through the roof

But yes, nothing beats DH and Uh dk in terms of broken right now

I would also throw boomies there, the reason boomies are not broken is because dh and Uh dks shut them down

[elder island]

demo definitely up there

on the rise

[river walrus]

Demo is sleeper

DH and Uh are good against casters, that's why we can't tell yet

But as soon as they catch nerfs you'll see bookie, demo lock, aff lock, hunters and shamans popping off

[sharp meteor]

I don't think I've played a single game on warr yet.

[fallen estuary]

im daring today and bored

so im going to subject myself to intentional suffering

[urban skiff]

Doesn't this mean fury = arms? If utility is the reason arms is nuts?

[calm lichen]

Looking for podcast guest experts to do deep dive episodes. Any warrior spec. DMs open.

[brazen citrus]

arms still does more damage imo

[brazen citrus]

i think it goes dh>>>>>>>>>>>dk>war

[warm portal]

arms has more damage and utility. fury sucks

[brazen citrus]

arms cleaves wayyyyyy harder and has more st burst still

maybe 4 set changes that

who knows

[muted surge]

arms also has the bigger dick

[brazen citrus]

based

[leaden lynx]

i'm not sure if skullsplitter is worth it, but it is kinda fun

[brazen citrus]

i like it alot

i think its good

[warm portal]

skillsplitter feels like doodoo to press tho

[brazen citrus]

it feels better to press rotationally now that u dont have to insta reapply bleeds anymore

[frank knoll]

@elfin surge

[elfin surge]

Krappa

[frank knoll]

That’s the guy from Technically PvP podcast im pretty sure

[calm lichen]

yep. that's me

[brazen citrus]

the next double caster dh lobby i get

im getting chat banned

[paper meteor]

what pvp ilvl does the vault drop or is it based on rating

and if so what rating correlates to phat gear

[calm lichen]

Vault drops conquest gear, which is all the same item level in PVP. Your rating only correlates to the mog that comes from the vault (unrated vs elite).

[scarlet flame]

LOL

[pine pine]

nope arms belongs on that list of top 3 busted specs for sure. This is all the classes above 1.8k

[elder island]

You say top 3 and then show a list with 4 above it.

[pine pine]

2 of those are healers?

[elder island]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

You didn't say dps

[pine pine]

they only pointed out dps??

they said uh dk, dh and arms are all busted

tf

[elder island]

also, again, look at the numbers

there's 3x the amount of dhs

than arms

[pine pine]

and arms is still 2x basically every other dps do you not understand math

[elder island]

apparently you don't

[pine pine]

if 2x the arms players are high rated than the majority of dps specs, it's a step above them. So is DK. So is DH. All 3 are likely to see nerfs

[elder island]

You're trying to compare a spec that is in line with several others vs one that is 2.5x the next highest.

That isn't even the same discussion.

Look at the 3 specs below arms

and the 3 specs above

and then look at DH

[pine pine]

warlock and moonkin, also broken af right now lol

[muted surge]

but dont forget taht arms players usually dont fotm, there are always teh same good players

while the rest changes

[elder island]

also 1.8k is a bad threshhold as that's like 5 winning lobbies

unless we are looking at 3s or 2s

[muted surge]

even than

1.8 is w/e

[fallen estuary]

omfg mage us so fucking broken now

one ray literally chunks 50% hp a tick

god damn

[thick reef]

Mage is always broken

[vapid tartan]

@fallen estuary

How does the prot warr feel

[fallen estuary]

havent tried it yet but its going to be fucking miserable

im getting 4set before swappin over

[paper meteor]

thanks thats kinda what i thought but couldnt find the answer anywhere

[wheat jay]

there's also more dh aplyers than warr players rn

everyone rerolled

[boreal veldt]

I'm surprised rogues aren't seeing a big representation, did the rework break them?

[sharp meteor]

Rogue is insane, but not as easy as Havoc.

[spice hornet]

apoc damage neeeds to be nerfed

[slender lion]

lovely MS crit

[mild thunder]

Rogue is never high rep

Too much brain for the average player

[spice hornet]

i forgot how terrible shuffle is for warrior

[quaint tree]

uhh, i think warrior is crankin hog in ss rn

[spice hornet]

?

warriors have the lowest shuffle rating across all classes

highest warrior is 2252 or somethign

despite being one of the most played classes in the game

every other class has people at 2400+ except 2, those 2 are still like 2350+

[frank knoll]

I did one vs a warrior on my DH and he like melted even with parry up

[mild thunder]

Nah this is just because warriors are bad at the game tbh

[spice hornet]

[lavish quest]

So we need buffed to compensate?

[wheat jay]

you need to git gud

https://tenor.com/view/gitgud-thepruld-git-gud-dark-gif-8126281

[spice hornet]

sharpen duration increased by 4 seconds in shuffle

[frank knoll]

Bring back overwatch

[wheat jay]

shuffle one of the best abilities in the game for arena

[frank knoll]

Give fury warbanner

[spice hornet]

lmnao fury has to be the most boring shuffle spec in the game

literal walmart DH damage bot

[lavish quest]

I'm trying to git gud [buffs]
Lemme cook 😂

[frank knoll]

I know I hate it now

[mild thunder]

Mhm because arms is so much more interesting and involved

[wheat jay]

fury wants to be like dh

but fury is more boring

[mild thunder]

Fury was designed for quadriplegics

[spice hornet]

arms 2nd most boring

but at least we got

warbanner

lol

[lavish quest]

I think that's literally the philosophy behind DH

[mild thunder]

Reroll already

[leaden lynx]

had enough time to make dinner, clean up, shit and still came back to no queue pop

[green anchor]

rest in pvp

[mild thunder]

I hope blizz makes gearing infinitely more toxic and slow in 11.0 to piss off all the fotm players

[bright stream]

war is super strong right now

def top of the A tier, and post DH/Hunter/Rogue/DK nerfs will sneak into the top spot I reckon

assuming it doesnt get changes

[spice hornet]

i am talking about shuffle

[bright stream]

so am I

warriors do extremely well at the high end of shuffle lobbies rn

[leaden lynx]

finally popped, 0 point change 3-3. druid healer just lost every match T.T

[bright stream]

I strongly suspect we're not seeing more because DH in particular is an easy swap for the rerolling crowd

[spice hornet]

how can that be when the highest warrior is 2260 and there are lobbies of 2400+?

[bright stream]

there are next to no lobbies at 2400, theres like 10-15 people at that rating

high end lobbies are 2200+ rn, thats the top 1-20 people of each spec

in many cases

[spice hornet]

lol ok

there are 10 DHs above 2400 alone

so

[bright stream]

theres 4 dks, and 2 disc

and there were not 10dh above 2400 even 12 hours ago

[spice hornet]

healing specs have higher ratings over arms

so

[bright stream]

like yes, war is not as strong as DH/DK/the other overpowered specs

but it is extremely good

[wheat jay]

yall still cappin about shuffle?

1st week of the season?

[spice hornet]

warrioor is not an aamzing shuffle spec. its not bad, but its not the best

[bright stream]

yeah old mate is convinced wars terrible because he's stuck at whatever his rating is

its A tier

straight up

[spice hornet]

mine is 2180 mmr waiting on 35min+ queues so?

[wheat jay]

warrior is a great shuffle spec

you gotta be smoking crack to think otherwise

[spice hornet]

i guess we're gonna ignore r1 shuffle cutoffs for warr dps specs always being couple hundred rating lower than other specs :/

[wheat jay]

ye cuz every warr is pushing 3s

[bright stream]

thats about the queue time for other specs too, if you want faster queues then play a less popular spec

[wheat jay]

cuz 3s are fucking free for warrior every season as well

[spice hornet]

specs like boomy say hello? guiess warrior is the only spec that can't find time to queue shuffle

not saying its bad. its prob the most unenjoyable shuffle dps to play. can't make as much impact as classes that can spam CC or close out games easily on their own

[sharp meteor]

Contributing factor to this is high volume of slots because it's a popular spec (Arms).

[bright stream]

well thats a different conversation entirely

shit can be strong and not feel good to play at all

[spice hornet]

but thats the conversation i am having

[bright stream]

I don't think you were making that clear - but it happens

war always feels bad to play when you've got a missmatch of healer skill to your own skill

you kinda need a good one strapped to you, its like you're being held hostage by the dispel button

and its less of an issue with the new shout glyph, and with double storm

but still

[wheat jay]

Ye and everyone just ignores that

Literally everyone rolled dh

Its crazy strong and super fun

[mild thunder]

?

You have two bladestorms, banner, 2 charges, leap, intervene… warrior is not held hostage by dispels

It’s not vanilla anymore, guys

Trust me, rogue and dh get way, way, way more cucked by roots than warrior has for quite a while

[spice hornet]

gnome arms warr never sit roots ever

[scarlet flame]

its not vanilla but you get cuked just as hard VS 2 people with CC

[leaden lynx]

laughs in gnomish

[mild thunder]

You have a bladestorm almost every 30s

Arms is the least cc-affected spec in PvP

[scarlet flame]

that can be CC'd by multiple classes

[mild thunder]

Bladestorm can be cc’d?

Am I retardded or you

[scarlet flame]

it can be DK gripped and shaman totemed

you can literally be griped 40 yards away by a DK

[mild thunder]

Reflect?

[scarlet flame]

idk how much more cuked it could get than that

its eaten by literally anything?

[mild thunder]

Nah you’re actually

Gotta be

[scarlet flame]

nah you're dumb as fuck bro

[mild thunder]

Tistic

[scarlet flame]

BS dogshit

[mild thunder]

Remove it then

[scarlet flame]

i cancel it all the time

[mild thunder]

So?

Does that make it bad lmao

Monks cancel FoF all the time, I guess it’s bad

[scarlet flame]

yeah i love being static totemed away while im "CC" immune

[mild thunder]

One class can static totem bro

[scarlet flame]

leme just get griped to the other side of the arena while im CC'd

[mild thunder]

I guess we’re just ignoring the other 12

[scarlet flame]

we're just going to ignore how DK and shaman are super popular classes ig

and how classes are bad because others are popular too

[mild thunder]

Doesn’t seem to be affecting arms popularity lmao

At all

[scarlet flame]

we're also going to ignore all the other ways you're forced to use gap closers because theres 2 other people trying to stop you from doing anything

[scarlet flame]

cause its braindead to play

[mild thunder]

What is this supposed to mean?????? This is PvP

Holy fuck

[scarlet flame]

yes no shit its pvp

you act like you just 1v1 the guy and dont have to use your movement all the time just to stay on 1 person with 2 other casters fucking you over too

holy fuck

[mild thunder]

When did I say that? What

[scarlet flame]

yup just 2 charges that 1 lock alone can fuck with you

[wheat jay]

Yo i cancel eye Beam

Sad that its dogshit now

[scarlet flame]

you act like warriors have 200000000 ways to stay on 1 target with 3 people trying to keep you off them

[wheat jay]

[mild thunder]

Skill issue

[wheat jay]

Cuz you do

[scarlet flame]

thats why you play hunter

[wheat jay]

And ye, their job is to keep you off

That's how they win games

[mild thunder]

That’s why I rerolled from one of the strongest, easiest specs to… one of the hardest, not strongest specs lmao

[bright stream]

hunter difficult?

[scarlet flame]

yes no one doesn't understand thats how they win games

no one has ever said that isn't how they play

[wheat jay]

Survi, compared to most is fairly difficult to play

[bright stream]

I don't know what planet you're on but here on earth hunter is easy as fuck, and has been since I started playing

[mild thunder]

You play arms and dk bro, be quiet

[scarlet flame]

the only argument people have ever made is that its dogshit gameplay and unfun on our end to be CC'd by 3 classes and afk in arenas for the majority of the match just walking around

[bright stream]

compared to hunter specs, compared to melee is mid at most

[wheat jay]

Cuz you're a squishy ranged spec that's in melee most of the time

[mild thunder]

Arms has the most cc avoidance of any spec in the game

Is just a fact

[bright stream]

I played like every class in the game last season

[wheat jay]

Such is the fate of a juggernaut

[scarlet flame]

yup sure they do

[wheat jay]

Who has more

[scarlet flame]

not much of a juggernaut if you die through your defensives

[mild thunder]

Who has more

[scarlet flame]

mages rogues

[mild thunder]

What

Are you

[scarlet flame]

DH

[wheat jay]

You cant be immortal

[mild thunder]

On about

[wheat jay]

Bro you're cappin so hard now

[mild thunder]

What cc avoidance does dh have bro wtf

[wheat jay]

Glimpse

Dome

[scarlet flame]

i can be tanky and not afk'd walking towards people

[wheat jay]

Done*

[bright stream]

yeah I dunno about DH, think arms does better there

[scarlet flame]

2 dashes, the air talent that keeps you out of combat for every melee in the game for 15 seconds

[bright stream]

but rogue/mage for sure

[wheat jay]

No cuz then there's no outplay

[wheat jay]

Cant dash when rooted

Cant glimpse when rooted

[scarlet flame]

cant charge when rooted either

cant leap when rooted

[wheat jay]

Cant use half my dmg skills when rooted

[bright stream]

and lowkey lock, druid has good cc avoid

[mild thunder]

A dash is cc avoidance?

[wheat jay]

You can bladestorm out of roots, i cant

[mild thunder]

Are you dumb

Like legit

Do you have a sub 80 iq

[wheat jay]

Dh got one cc avoidance, for half a second

[scarlet flame]

mage has 2 blinks, or stun blink, 2 ice blocks as frost, alter time

[scarlet flame]

and it makes you immune to them while in the air

[mild thunder]

Alter time is cc avoidance?

[scarlet flame]

meta is also a CC immune

[bright stream]

bro you gotta get jabs that make you look less like you've got an andrew tate subscription

[wheat jay]

Ye, bladestorm

[scarlet flame]

yes you alter time to somewhere else

[wheat jay]

Immune to everything except few knocks

[mild thunder]

Mobility = cc immune ah ok makes sense

[scarlet flame]

you aren't still cc'd after you alter to before you were stunned

[mild thunder]

Just purge the alter lmao

[wheat jay]

They have to pre use it and it can be dispelled lol

[scarlet flame]

yeah just purge it

[wheat jay]

Ye

[scarlet flame]

ill spec shield slam dispel next season

[wheat jay]

We talking 1v1 or 3s?

[scarlet flame]

i think you think its still vanilla where you can spam purge

just rng it bro

[mild thunder]

Weren’t you complaining because I was acting like you’re 1v1ing!

You have a team bozo

Holy fuck

[scarlet flame]

just rng it bud

[mild thunder]

Most purges are Spammable lmao

[bright stream]

mildly related question - why are you two so aggro over nothing all the time?

[scarlet flame]

why do you care

go back to your job bro

[mild thunder]

^

[spice hornet]

Why does the warrior discord attract the most cooked people I’ve ever seen

[scarlet flame]

because we complain more than we play the game

[wheat jay]

Cuz this is the most delusional pvp discord

[mild thunder]

Low iq spec has low iq players, who woulda guessed

[bright stream]

cause you're normal and fine to chat to like 50% of the time, and the rest of the time you two are like derranged gorillas?

[spice hornet]

[scarlet flame]

thats a you problem then bud

[spice hornet]

warrior is C tier...soirry a hunter main wouldn't know this...

[scarlet flame]

its keeping you two dorks here so you have to have low iq just by being here

[scarlet flame]

its not c tier thats actually cooked

[wheat jay]

Ye but i'm a DEMON hunter

Thus i know

[mild thunder]

I like talking here, it’s like going to the zoo

[wheat jay]

Normal Hunter wouldn't, true

[scarlet flame]

yeah but in reverse, the animals come to me

[sharp meteor]

Just hit the rdruid, bro.

[scarlet flame]

that guy was a total random and he was so dumb jfc

[wheat jay]

Imma go do some cardio, cba listening to same crying again

[mild thunder]

S tier bait

[wheat jay]

Peace y'all

[scarlet flame]

keep crying about us crying loser