pvp

[mild thunder]

also @sharp meteor what's the thoughts on those aug nerfs? they look pretty minor

[sharp meteor]

Uhhh, they seem somewhat minor as it's a bit of int for partners and your empower is also weaker. Mastery nerf doesn't do much because it's like 0.5% vers.

Could be eyeballing the math wrong, though. Right now ebon might is 36% more damage on you.

[mild thunder]

is the new tier set an upgrade?

[sharp meteor]

Uh, maybe. Need to see stats on the set.

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

Curious to see Prescience probably always played now.

I liked it last season into casters but in general it might be neat as it's double buffed.

Whole team just gets 6% crit

[mild thunder]

ah ok, surely this means you carry my feral week 1

[noble stream]

the only difference in this one from mine is I don't have deft experience for ashen juggernaut and titanic rage

[mild thunder]

ashen juggernaut has been a dead node since end of s1 and titanic rage is optional

but ye you should be getting the bonus bleed damage and all the bloodthirst-buffing talents then

[urban skiff]

compared to RB or compared to arms?

[mild thunder]

both

[urban skiff]

if RB is 100 damage, how much is annie?

[mild thunder]

low enough that you dont want to run it

it's less burst, less sustained damage and more effort

[noble stream]

also I don't think hack and slash is necessary

[mild thunder]

you want either HnS or 3x rb blows

never both, but always one

[noble stream]

even without the bloodthirst cooldown reduction I was never running out

[mild thunder]

you will absolutely run into dead globals if you play 2 charges of rb without HnS idk what to say

s1 you could maybe get away with it because you were flooded with exe procs, but that's not the case anymore

[noble stream]

well, I didn't run out, but I'll try it again

[mild thunder]

or if you really want to drop HnS you can take SoS and those globals will hopefully be filled with slam

[noble stream]

but my point is still the same

[urban skiff]

Kinda weird how the annie build supposedly encourages slams and whirlwinds, but we end up just spamming BT

idk how they messed that up, it was sold as a change to rotation

[mild thunder]

you dont anymore

this is why the build doesnt work

[noble stream]

though a slight different build, I was putting out pretty much the same result on annihilator or RB, and annihilator does use BT more so it will reduce the CD on odyn's more with tier

[mild thunder]

how does annihilator use BT more during burst?

that's all that matters - getting the tier BTs out

outside of that, annihilator doesnt spam BT every global anymore because of the 10.2 changes

[noble stream]

no, but RB just uses RB more

[urban skiff]

helm: low crit high mastery
shoulder: High crit low haste
chest: high haste low mastery
gloves: low haste high vers
legs: high laste low vers

seems to be ratios of 2:1 between high and low

[mild thunder]

yes, because it does more overall damage with better burst potential - you still have the option to BT on cooldown, but weaving RBs inbetween is greater value than weaving slam/ww

[noble stream]

okay, but it means you're not reducing the CD on odyn's as much after you've spent your 3 crits

annihilator still does

[mild thunder]

and with how low your crit is, it'll be a difference of like... 5-8s

if that

[sharp meteor]

A cursory glance shows that none of this is accurate or you're looking at the warr set or something

[mild thunder]

but the upside is your increasing your sustained damage, rampage damage and burst

while playing a significantly lower effort build

[urban skiff]

ah shit, i just assumed it was warrior set

[sharp meteor]

we were talking about aug

thus my confusion lmao

[urban skiff]

warrior set is kinda trash itemized tho

[noble stream]

look, I'll test it again when the servers come back up, but you're avoiding my point

[mild thunder]

what am i avoiding?

[noble stream]

which is that I'm doing the same damage with both builds

with no dead globals from no hack and slash or anything

[mild thunder]

yea i cant speak to how exactly you've played in-game because 1. i dont know when you tested, 2. i dont know how well you're itemised, 3. we dont have tier sets, 4. you might just be shit

and im not trying to be mean, that's just the truth

annihilator build IS less single-target damage than rb build for more effort

[noble stream]

me being shit would make me do even less damage with the harder rotation, don't you think

[mild thunder]

not if you're more used to it or playing the rb build sub-optimally, no

i dont care about your tests on dummy or w/e because i cant verify how valid it is

[noble stream]

no on both accounts, and it's in blitz

[mild thunder]

yea ok im 100% not gonna accept comparing two separate blitz matches with different builds

there are tonsssss of factors that'll affect your overall damage between games

[noble stream]

that's true for anything

[mild thunder]

yes, which is why i wouldnt really ever accept "i played 2 blitz matches with different builds, so now i know what's good"

[noble stream]

I've been spamming blitz for 8 or so hours actually

[mild thunder]

and you've been swapping between builds every single blitz? playing both equally well? etc.

[noble stream]

pretty much

[mild thunder]

what exactly do you think the annihilator build is giving you over the rb build in pvp?

[noble stream]

tried out a lot of things

am vs ra too

the improvements to slam and whirlwind vs w/o

[mild thunder]

you can literally just take those nodes as rb build

which i mentioned already

[noble stream]

not the 60% slam increase

[mild thunder]

yes, you can

[noble stream]

I mean, yes, you can, but it's not the default

[urban skiff]

SoS without annie?

[mild thunder]

nope, but it's definitely an option

[urban skiff]

Is the community good enough at thinking outside the box to find weird interactions?

[noble stream]

that's what I'm saying, I was testing a lot of options and seeing the results

[urban skiff]

or are we just assuming that whatever blizz has laid out for us is optimal?

[mild thunder]

yes, there's literally no downside - you press slam just as often as you would otherwise but are still filling the rest of the rotation with better globals and not losing burst from slaughter strikes

[mild thunder]

but didnt test that apparently

[noble stream]

didn't test what?

[mild thunder]

running SoS with the rb build

[urban skiff]

I guess annie allows to take RB talents out of your build and shift them elsewhere

[noble stream]

No, I didn't

that's for if you run out of globals, right?

I was not running out of globals

[mild thunder]

no, it's because slam pumps

[mild thunder]

yea but the issue is you're not really spamming BT enough to get max value out of those talents anymore, and slaughter strikes offers a lot of extra burst

[urban skiff]

saw a fury post a vid a while ago where he was using ravager and shit and pumping

maybe fury is just .. flat?

choices don't matter

[sharp meteor]

RAvvy too easy to kite out of

[mild thunder]

was probably the casual bg guy claiming death wish is insane and everyone should run it in arenas

[sharp meteor]

good if people stand in it sure

like if they have to hit into it

[urban skiff]

haha

run death wish while in dstance and gain 10% free damage whenever popping cds

idk

Much rather have Bcommander and safeguard

[mild thunder]

death wish should never be taken when you expect your opponents to have at least room temp IQs with functional limbs

if you're versing people with sub room temp IQs and dysfunctional limbs, you can run no talents and kill them

[sharp meteor]

Uhhh it's an okay pickup if you aren't the target

or team can play around it

[mild thunder]

yea, but anyone with a brain will adjust once they see death wish

[sharp meteor]

People don't have brains until fairly high mmr tho

[urban skiff]

why don't blizz make pvp things personal auras?

[sharp meteor]

Why would they do that

[urban skiff]

would bring some skill back into pvp and take out the weakaura wendys

[mild thunder]

most warriors never have brains at any mmr

[sharp meteor]

do 40 year olds think people only see their avenging wrath because of weakauras

[mild thunder]

actually, it's crusade 🤓☝️

[sharp meteor]

god i miss when i was good at the game (walked up hojed somebody and pressed wings then killed them because they didn't have weakauras)

top tier gaming

[urban skiff]

wouldn't know. I turn off my UI when i pvp for immersive experience

[mild thunder]

bring back the turbo vs ret/warr argument about what comp is harder

@spice hornet

[sharp meteor]

turb harder because it's worse

if enh were as overtuned and broken as ret is then turb easier

[urban skiff]

Something feels off about my build. I think I was experimenting before i went on break in s2 and now I can't remember what the right choices are

[mild thunder]

tbf enh may not be overtuned but 90% of turbo wins are just doom winds oneshots after misplaying the first 3 minutes of the game

[sharp meteor]

ascend proc time to win

[mild thunder]

idk what was more cringe end of last season, turbo or thunder

[urban skiff]

top5 fury are all using wildly different builds according to murlok.io

with like 25 rating diff

[mild thunder]

i dont think it's ever really worthwhile to look at individual builds on murlok.io - it exists to amalgamate all the top data for a reason

it's also off-season

so not really the best time to be checking

[urban skiff]

arguably it's the best time to see what other people are thinking

[mild thunder]

but taken as a whole, they tend to run more-or-less the build provided

[pure hornet]

Is 24’ or 27’ inch monitor best bor arena?

[sharp meteor]

[urban skiff]

I'm happy with my 34 inch

[pure hornet]

Dafq…

I was thinking that even 24 inch is enough…

34 would kill my awareness

[urban skiff]

Why would it?

[pure hornet]

Too close

Desk is small/medium

[urban skiff]

I put UI stuff out on the edges and shrink the middle of my UI

[fierce elm]

Imagine optimizing your monitor for arena gameplay

[pure hornet]

Dunno if 24 is better than 27

And curved or flat?

[spice hornet]

[fierce elm]

Curved flat doesnt matter really for most games, nor should you pay a premium for it. It doesnt really come down for monitor size as to 'how good' a monitor is

It comes down to resolution, Colour gamut and response rate

You ideally need a 144hz monitor, if you want a 27 inch you are looking at 1440p displays at a minimum

If you don't want to pay a premium for a 1440p display you are looking at 24 inches

But it doesnt matter for WoW arena specifically

[magic wing]

Full HD 144hz IPS we gaming

[fierce elm]

So, find one that has 1ms, 144hz within your budget and go from there, if you can go up, then you go look at 27 inch 1440p monitors

If its curved or not comes down to preference anyways, some people get annoyed by it, some like it, some are just neutral about it

[cyan mauve]

if you’re playing comp 1080p might be better than 1440

[fierce elm]

If your PC cant handle 1440p, you are gonna go 1080p regardless

[cyan mauve]

even if it can, 1080p is usually better cause you’re gonna get more frames

[fierce elm]

But please, don't buy a monitor purely for WoW

[cyan mauve]

yeah your peripherals don’t matter for wow

only fps really

[fierce elm]

And if you are not the top top top 0.0000001% of players the monitor wont make a difference anyways kek

You can probably dig up an old CRT monitor and be perfectly fine

[cosmic violet]

yo im fairly new to warrior as far as pvp goes, which spec feels better ?

[urban skiff]

word of warning: almost every single monitor is listed as 1ms because they measure something stupid like grey to grey changes. Read reviews of find something that has 1ms tested by reviewers

[fierce elm]

ye

I wouldnt trust any reviews that arent unbiased anyways lmao

[urban skiff]

there are some reviewers i trust more than others

Super happy about the monitor i ended up buying, took a ton of research

[violet fossil]

32 inch ultrawideeeee

[urban skiff]

Yo why is everyone here named Gala-something?

[low cobalt]

😂

[hot solstice]

typical blizzard....this talent used to give 20% haste previous patch and was nerfed in pvp by 50%. now its is not nerfed and gives 20% in pvp. nothing about this in a patch notes

[violet fossil]

they reworked it to increase all damage done instead of haste

well changed it*

[hot solstice]

yep? but it kinda looks like buff

[violet fossil]

it is

[urban skiff]

Uh got buffed, oh nooo

[violet fossil]

it’s a nice one

[urban skiff]

Gigabyte G34WQCA here.

[violet fossil]

I believe this is mine

Keep thinking it’s a 32 lol

Acer Predator X34 Sbmiiphzx

[violet fossil]

Is that with an IPS panel?

[urban skiff]

It's VA

[violet fossil]

Ah

Mines an IPS

Could never get used to an VA anymore lol

[pure hornet]

What u talking about? Ofc in am 0.0001 top players :)))

Arent gigabyte monitors crap?

Or so i heard

I want to but a dell at 27’. Curved or flat

[fierce elm]

but what model

[pure hornet]

165Hz

Or this better?

[fierce elm]

they are pretty much the same

so wont matter much there

get whichever is better for your wallet

[pure hornet]

But curved or flat?

[fierce elm]

Comes down to preference, I prefer flat screens purely because of desk space

[pure hornet]

What is difference betwen IPS and VA?

[fierce elm]

Panel technology

Unless you wanna deep dive into colors and viewing angles you dont really need to worry about it

Generally cheaper VAs are better than cheaper IPS in my experience

[violet fossil]

you won’t really get much use or see a difference between the 2 at that size monitor

curved is more expensive though

[faint pumice]

Do you guys always have buttons to press? My execute procs once in eternity. I even thinking of returning slam on the bar

[pure hornet]

And i fear curved might not be for me

I get nausea at times

And curved will likely amplify that

[violet fossil]

yeah get a flat one you’re not missing out on curved

[pure hornet]

My execute procs allmost every 2 seconds… spec acordingly…

[violet fossil]

Just extra $100 for nothing really

more than $100

[pure hornet]

I dont want to risk to take curved and not like it

What abut this? A bit smaller but good model

[idle falcon]

I have the samsung oddesy g7 27 inches curved

244 hz

[pure hornet]

Nice

U are rich

[idle falcon]

I bought it for like 600 dollars

[idle falcon]

Not really

You could say upper middle-class

[pure hornet]

Mine is around 200 euro

[idle falcon]

Rich is me buying a 49 inch curved monitor g9

[pure hornet]

Hmmm that is wayyy big

I am still deciding betwen 27 and 24 inch

49 and ET could see you stream from mars

[pure hornet]

Even if i sell 2 kidneys one ball and a hand and still not enough cash

[idle falcon]

Right now the one i have (27 inches) is for 700 dollars on the official amazon site

[pure hornet]

Testicle*

[idle falcon]

XD

[pure hornet]

Is not 27 eye straining?

[idle falcon]

Technically u will but sure

[pure hornet]

I have 24 and seems big

[idle falcon]

Not at all no

It depends on the screen type

[pure hornet]

Are you far out from desk?

[idle falcon]

No

There are different types of screens

Not just monitors

Maybe that's what is straining you

I had an old monitor that strained my eyes alot

https://www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/how-to-choose-between-tn-va-and-ips-panels-for-the-games-you-play.html

You can also look them up and see which one is least straining

And let me tell you something, there is no such thing as too big. Just depends on the distance you'll be sitting

That sounded really bad wait

XD

[wheat jay]

Sounds like you can fit a lot my guy

[idle falcon]

😳

[pure hornet]

:)))))

I sit pretty close…

Ill settle for 27 max

This one i think will remain

[near delta]

I was scrolling up without context and was really confused lmao

[pure hornet]

:))))

[urban skiff]

monitors aren't about brands but about finding the one within your budget that fits your needs.

[pure hornet]

Yeah

[urban skiff]

Sometimes a random budget monitor ends up really good, other times some expensive monitors end up really shit

[pure hornet]

Ill buy one in the 200 euro range

[urban skiff]

I assume it's RNG mix between which engineers design them and what the costs of materials they can source are in the moment when they lock in design.

[sharp meteor]

Nope. Why would they?

👍

[green sequoia]

Damn hunters hurt lol

[cosmic violet]

guys, is goin 2P - 2P the way ? or just keep old 4set ?

[frank knoll]

Tried playing aff in a Bg, feels like Dog shit

You have to put like 5 DoTs on to do the same damage a boomy does with 2

[dense herald]

Yeah i get oneshot

[robust hearth]

wat stats we want for arms?

verse mast or verse crit?

nvm chekced pins

[spice hornet]

@mild thunder deservers to be SF

but i think his history of calling me a regard will prevent that

[violet fossil]

i believe it’s just materials

idr the panel mine is specifically but a different brand monitor uses the same one but costs way more

[pure hornet]

Yo Gala,
How you’ve been

[mild thunder]

Wouldn’t have to call you a retardd if you weren’t so retardded

[mild thunder]

Which one?

[near delta]

I feel like you should actively play warrior to be sf tbh lol, but he'd be good

[frank knoll]

Naw Kargish should be SF

[wheat jay]

He was

@fickle forge

He was a sf we didnt need but one we deserved

Cuz we were bunch of body shaming assholes and he had to Control us all

We still are but now noone is controlling us

[fickle forge]

@knotty atlas is our SF now 🙏

[wheat jay]

We're slowly converting him to join our pvp church

The church of lifts

Do we know how much he benches?

[fickle forge]

Don't say that man, they'll delete half a channel

[wispy drum]

Do I go for HL 1000 this season boys

I feel like it's the last major milestone I got left that's obtainable.

[sharp meteor]

Honor level? I feel like that's something to be worked on in the background while doing other stuff.

[mild thunder]

That’s obtainable?

[wispy drum]

It's kind of fun to focus on it. Little weird things you can do to optimize it.

But yeah, usually just grabbing alt elite sets and spamming low MMR RBGs.

[mild thunder]

I guess if you’re already 950ish

[spice hornet]

@mild thunder destroyed

fotm scum

[knotty atlas]

Enough to carry my 2 teammates in damage done in Solo shuffle as a tank.

[mild thunder]

What comp did you play to glad?

[wispy drum]

Only if people have been at it for a while. I'm 82something rn.

[spice hornet]

@mild thunder i was playing fury/aff/disc

my iq isnt high enough for ret war and definitely not high enough for turbo

[mild thunder]

180 honor levels in a season is ultimate degenerate gamer hours, but ig it’s possible

[wispy drum]

I am a degenerate. Let's fucking go.

[mild thunder]

Bro isn’t smart enough for turbo

[spice hornet]

@sharp meteor gonna be another season of qing tanks?

[mild thunder]

Apparently you need a phd to make it work

[sharp meteor]

It's not that bad if you split it up with alts, dailies, weeklies, etc. You won't get 180 levels hammering arena.

[sharp meteor]

Potentially. I'm probably doing keys for a bit on blood/prot.

[spice hornet]

🤮

[sharp meteor]

Depends on who ends up playing and how hard they push.

I didn't have to play my warriors at all this season.

[spice hornet]

i always thought you had a main team in 3s

[fickle forge]

What did you peak in shuffle?

[wheat jay]

Fam gotta respect the traditions

Disclose the number

[wispy drum]

Win if the day bonus on a couple to few alts per day adds up. Gonna have two warriors and a few healers ready to go. Might as well abuse it.

[sharp meteor]

I did for SL, and early DF. I just kind of had lost interest in arena. Stopping being fun. Enjoyed logging in and doing mog runs or random BGs more.

[spice hornet]

[sharp meteor]

Ended up AFK for most of this season then played like 200 games to wrap up mount.

Annoying how much easier it gets in the final month.

Versus queuing early.

[spice hornet]

yeah its lame

[knotty atlas]

288 since i did one game and then got sick of sitting in queue for 30 minutes.

[sharp meteor]

Six month season just gonna go push keys and do random bgs for a while.

[knotty atlas]

[spice hornet]

fight r1s first week past 2100 or wait til mid/end season and do it in a weekend hmmm

[wispy drum]

I've legit had people spit on me over not playing my alts until last two months but what's the fucking point in sweating early for a mog?

[wheat jay]

Wait Mwahi

Na or Eu?

[knotty atlas]

Eu

[fickle forge]

He's the next prot prodigy

[wheat jay]

AYYYYYY

[wispy drum]

I'd rather farm HKs and do M+

[wheat jay]

Kargo go gear up your resto shaman

[sharp meteor]

Yeah. It's weird, man. Playing to play is fun but if I'm getting domed by Rudar and Kalvish at Duelist a month into the season I'm going to go chill on alts for a couple of weeks or something.

[wheat jay]

We're doing dh/prot/resto

[knotty atlas]

Idk what that is,but sure.

[wheat jay]

We're getting mwahi his elite mog xD

[wispy drum]

[wheat jay]

Or survi/prot/resto, depends on what we'll play as our main comp

[fickle forge]

We can do that on my Hpala

[wheat jay]

Good enough xD

[sharp meteor]

I think prot needs a fw and/or a melee vulnerable to physical damage.

[wheat jay]

@knotty atlas we got you homie, cant have pvp Val'kyr without his elite set

[fickle forge]

Q with destro

[sharp meteor]

Actually maybe fw/prot is the play for 2s if there were a reason to play that bracket.

[fickle forge]

If you play prot+destro the destro will solo kill

[sharp meteor]

Ehhh.

Shuff warlocks giving me ptsd.

[spice hornet]

wait how do people have the verdant honor gear recipes already

[sharp meteor]

Boxes drop them.

[spice hornet]

wtf

[sharp meteor]

And they sell for 50-100k ea sometimes.

$$$

[spice hornet]

when i open them i get obsidian recipes

[sharp meteor]

So yeah those strongboxes are a decent source of income rn

[spice hornet]

or at least these old ones

[knotty atlas]

I'll get one next season.

What rating is it?

[wheat jay]

1800

[knotty atlas]

Ohhh

That's the ksm.

Je,easy.

[wheat jay]

Basically

[knotty atlas]

We going to blast.

[wheat jay]

So, you go in, do your shit, keep me alive, i do my dmg, Kargish cries in the corner cuz he's hpala

[fickle forge]

Bodyguard Artji and then we spend 500 games for Artji to learn to 213213 and not 123123

[wheat jay]

And I scream at him cuz I hate hpalas

[knotty atlas]

I dont run bodyguard. It's for wusses.

[sharp meteor]

So true.

[wheat jay]

Keep me alive I'll do my dh shit and win

[sharp meteor]

(I am literally in tears if I can't play BG).

[wheat jay]

Dh doing like 100k dps st in arena now

[sharp meteor]

DH ticks me off on prot because they do 120k dps not even looking at me and break my bg every 3 seconds by fel rushing for no reason.

[wheat jay]

Lol

[sharp meteor]

40% physical wall into a hunter/warr, literally can't die

-presses fel rush-

-perishes-

[knotty atlas]

I run w/e those things are at the vottom roght

Bottom right*

But sure,i can play a cc bot.

[sharp meteor]

Oppressor is really nice if you aren't swapping every few seconds.

Perma 9-12% dmg debuff from all sources.

[fickle forge]

Oppressor is decent

[wheat jay]

Perfect

[spice hornet]

assassination rogue damage

is regarded

[sharp meteor]

Feels bad if low uptime and matchups where you wanna swap off hots, like rdruid, or teammate can't follow you on primary target

but as you can refresh it with heroic throw

it just feels like value in most matchups

[mild thunder]

skill issue

you owe me a queue session btw

mf dogged final day queues

[ivory ice]

Is it just me or does battlefield commander w/ thunderous roar feel insane in the new bg mode

[sharp meteor]

It and the bladestorm/rav talents feel like they were made for bgs.

[ivory ice]

Seems like that, I wonder how they're gonna perform in arena tho

[frank knoll]

Demo is gonna be a menace too

Hard to kill, does like 80k dps all game

[wheat jay]

Dh will kill it

Unless you oneshot dh it will kill everything in this game xD

Oh wait nvm i forgot darkness is 30% now

Useless defensive...

[fallen solar]

Yeah DH needs a healer. They do prob the best damage in the game now. Close to it. But they flop over so fast

That bomb talent that DH use now, I tried it out in a fight and it crit for 350k

Insane

Also constant 150k plus hunts

[brazen rock]

wait till they have tier

[green sequoia]

any ideas on embellishments yet? besides boots

[mild thunder]

Rare varughh sighting

[brazen rock]

afk until 2 weeks ago but we back

[mild thunder]

Holy Gigachad

You playing rdru?

[brazen rock]

avg grove guardian enjoyer

[regal halo]

should i buy full bloody token set or wait?

[sharp meteor]

So bloody token gear is worse than honor gear

and the trophy gear requires tokens not the base bloody token gear

so basically the bloody token gear right now is an ilev advantage until tuesday

[regal halo]

THANKS!

any worth saving?

[fallen estuary]

holy fuck

@sharp meteor shits so fucking unbalanced coming back

i wanted to come back trying arms and god damn everyone with that wpvp set is op asf

but i still won my match with 4 lmao

with my shitty 450 gear

i had a hunter just tunnel my healer and kill him in a global and the rogue next match globaled my healer

[candid citrus]

will tuesdays vault drops be gear we have now or upgraded gear?

[elfin surge]

It will drop last season items

[candid citrus]

tyvm

[mild thunder]

heyhey, how goes the dog-beating?

[pure hornet]

You, are you not the only true Gala?

[mild thunder]

we are many

[pure hornet]

Ye but i tought everybody tryes to copy you

[near delta]

Does anyone have the old chad improvement mindset screenshot? Lol

I found it

[mild thunder]

do americans have meat pies?

i know britbongers have pot pies, they're okay

[pure hornet]

Meat pies is weird

Just like this guy i knew a long time ago, he was eating fried or boiled meat with sugar

It’s like kissing a woman with a weener down below

Why is mage such a boring class? Can’t force myself to play it

[frank knoll]

Yeah rn

If DH touches you you’re dead

They don’t even need Mortal strike

[pale minnow]

You just answered your question

[pale minnow]

Can't wait to duel them, to hear the cry how warrior is op

[near delta]

Pot pies are super common

Minced meat pies is more of a regional thing I think

[urban skiff]

how? I'm trying to play my dh and nothing seems to stick

[mild thunder]

am i just missing something about uhdk? this spec is so insanely dull

your abilities all feel so shit to press

feels like there's also just an unavoidable waste of resources when you're capping runic power, have fester wounds to burst and are getting spammed with SD procs

[green anchor]

yes it's boring af

frost is the same

[mild thunder]

build wounds > spend wounds > dump runic power... all the mod stuff like plaguebringer are automatic/passive

@sage raptor am i missing something

is fdk getting better this season? maybe that's more fun

[sage raptor]

thats it

just dont build unless you have zero wounds outside of CDs and prio coils

[mild thunder]

dude this shit is worse than i remember

i stg none of the buttons feel "good" to press... like feral has ferocious bite and feral frenzy and stuff, arms has mortal strike, survival has explosive, kill shot, flanking etc. and uhdk has nothing

everything feels flat af

[magic wing]

Id argue arms as a whole feels good to play. Every ability feels “heavy” to press

[mild thunder]

execute

rend

but yea mortal strike and overpower feel ok-ish

[sage raptor]

yeah you do big damage but it doesnt feel good at all lol

[mild thunder]

seems that way... was thinking of alting it, but now im 100% getting elite and deleting it

[sage raptor]

If they'd just remove wounds it's feel a lot better

[sage raptor]

Also no

Blizz forgot it exists

I'm gonna farm the pve sets tanking mythics and then just get to 1800 on shuffle and call it.

I can't commit to raiding

[mild thunder]

and making dots more interactive, yea 100%

[magic wing]

Execute feels nice compared to the fury one

[mild thunder]

also, why is one talent (the virulent plague 15%/half duration node) so absurdly mandatory to make dots remotely good

[mild thunder]

execute will never feel good as long as it uses the condemn animation

delete it

bury it

spit on its grave

[sage raptor]

Whats funny is it doesn't even do a lot

It's damage that healers just heal no problem. It doesn't win games unless you play damp after 12 minutes

At that point I'd have just left

And take the L

[mild thunder]

yee, feels like the diseases really need some actual capstones and interactions to flesh them out

kinda sad that uhdk has moved so far away from that aspect of the spec

[sage raptor]

I'm fine with it not being as disease oriented but I'm not fine with wounds

[ruby temple]

You aren't able to get the elite armor sets anymore this week right?

[mild thunder]

aoe also feels super clunky imo

[fallen solar]

There is a guardian Druid at the Bloody token farms with 2.6M health. Literal raid bosses

Crazy damage too like a boss

[urban skiff]

that's how it's been since at least legion.

micro cooldowns that are essentially dots (buff ghoul, gargoyle, apocalypse, aotd, etc) that don't interact with your rotation one bit besides a bit of cd stacking if lucky

[mild thunder]

eh, i dont think any of this is an issue

the entire legion rework dumbed down the spec, just like it did for fury, enh etc.

wounds are just a bland mechanic

[urban skiff]

tbh it feels like the spec should be split into two separate specs. One is the pseudo-ranged melee (think aug/devoker) and the other is a pet / dot spec, like a mix between afflic and demo

wounds are combo points that don't transfer

[mild thunder]

it's not really any more pseudo-ranged than it was before

it's always had stuff like death coil, pestilence etc.

all they need to do is delete wounds and rebuild

[urban skiff]

used to be clawing shadows + death coil + outbreak + dnd, you could play pseudo ranged and do like 80% normal damage

[mild thunder]

yea none of that is really new tho, uhdk and dk in general has always been a battlemage-type spec

[urban skiff]

They could make wounds stack on ghoul(s) and instantly improve the spec

[mild thunder]

same as ret

no real reason to make it 2 specs because it has some range

[mild thunder]

yea none of this would make it more engaging tho - a build and spend that basic with no dot or major pet interaction is bland

[urban skiff]

I like the idea of battle mage. If I had a say, enh, UH, BM would become part of a pseudo-ranged group

[mild thunder]

wouldnt be less bland if it was easier to spread or wasnt target-locked

[mild thunder]

they are?

[urban skiff]

I mean somewhat they are, but I meant like intentionally be able to execute 100% of their damage from that range

(but also not further than that)

[mild thunder]

that's not pseudo-range, that's just ranged lol

[urban skiff]

yeah. Separate the dps into melee, 20 yard range, 40 yard range

[mild thunder]

yea no one that plays those specs wants that because you're just taking what makes them unique - having a hybrid damage style - and splitting them into 2 more generic specs

[urban skiff]

But I'm not a game designer, I just think it would add a bit of distinction between ranged besides what buffs they bring

And gods know we need more spec identity

[mild thunder]

that would be less spec identity

you're taking unique melee/ranged hybrid specs

and making them generic

but ye idk just delete wounds, it's a shit mechanic

[urban skiff]

I just don't get how to play DH

people say DH melt but I just can't do it

Guess I can add "too dumb to DH" on my list of accomplishments

[mild thunder]

to be perfectly fair, dh is unironically a step-up in difficulty from warrior

both in raw rotational complexity and mechanical requirements

[wheat jay]

tbh

you now play

fel barrage, the hunt, inertia, elysian decree

essence break

[urban skiff]

I tried asking that discord but they keep linking different 10.1.7 guides as if I can understand and convert that meaningfully to 10.2 with less than a week's experience

[wheat jay]

there's new guides

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay is a r1 dh gigachad expert guide-writer scholar

[urban skiff]

I think they're just guarding secrets against rerollers to protect the spec against nerfs or something

[wheat jay]

they're giga crying that dh will get nerfed lol

its busted, but squishy

soooooo

[urban skiff]

oh yeah definite

[wheat jay]

full glass cannon

[urban skiff]

I just want to look cool and play something slightly different from fury, don't care much about being OP

[wheat jay]

too late

you're op now

[mild thunder]

imma push 1800 first week for the elite set and then delete it

[urban skiff]

smol brain handicap to counter that

[mild thunder]

leveling now

poggies the demon hunter

[urban skiff]

that's what I'm doing with Aug

not that aug isn't fun to play, but I want the mog even if it's ugly as fuck

[mild thunder]

isnt the aug mog sick this tier?

basically nozdormu

[urban skiff]

I don't like it. The shoulders have sand in them and their physics are all messed up

more liquid than water

can't unsee that low effort animation

[deft yoke]

What spec is best in 10.2? arms or fury?

[mild thunder]

prot

[urban skiff]

how stronk is prot actually? I want to play prot pvp but it's difficult to get right

[mild thunder]

it's not

@knotty atlas gonna make it S tier tho

[urban skiff]

guess I have to stick with vengeance dream

[knotty atlas]

You are correct.

[knotty atlas]

If you wanna play it,just do it.

[mild thunder]

becoming the pvp stormforged we always wanted

[urban skiff]

where do I begin? Do I stack haste like in pve or ?

[knotty atlas]

Well,i'm by no means any good at prot pvp,but i just went in with my haste/crit heavy pve stats.

[mild thunder]

have you farmed 15k honor for a full set after reset? should do that if not

iirc honor is 479

[knotty atlas]

I have not. I plan to do more pvp tonight.

[mild thunder]

11.5k should suffice for a full-set

[urban skiff]

remember conq turns into honor

[mild thunder]

turns into gold im pretty sure

[urban skiff]

if you have 15k honor and some conq, spend some honor on boxes so the conq can convert to honor

Turns into gold if you're honor capped, no?

[mild thunder]

then you'd be better off getting honor-capped

gold > honor any day of the week

[urban skiff]

You're better off spending conq on cloaks and vendoring them, supposedly better conversion rate

[knotty atlas]

I think someone mentioned haste/vers is the way to go,but i find it hard to believe considering you need double the vers rating to get 1% over any other stat. But it's a whole new world for me,so maybe it makes sense in pvp.

[urban skiff]

I think it's 50% more vers rating to gain 1% compared to other stats because you're actually getting 1% + 0.5% total from 1% vers

Which makes sense

[mild thunder]

you dont really have any choice to stack vers or not

but yea the combined offensive and defensive benefits are huge for pvp, definitely noticeable when you're taking 20% more damage than everyone else

[knotty atlas]

How come?

[urban skiff]

all pvp gear has vers

pvp gear scaling is also funny because the other secondary stat scales up faster with ilvl than the vers

[knotty atlas]

I'll just stick to my haste/crit

See where that gets me.

[mild thunder]

cat party

[knotty atlas]

Left out some.

[wheat jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855564012481544213/1089460036599828500/ezgif-1-8c0a9d9ef1.gif

[urban skiff]

top prot warrior has a weird stat spread

[mild thunder]

feral discord 2.0

[urban skiff]

not enough crying about how the game is dumbed down and that ferals bring nothing besides damage and never gets invited.

idk why but I didn't expect mastery stacking

[mild thunder]

tbf feral brings innervate now

pretty good position atm

but yes, i want savage roar back

and sickle

and swarm buff

and apex removed

and primal wrath rework

[wheat jay]

stfu you get nothing

[mild thunder]

if the spec doesnt require a phd, im not interested

[wheat jay]

play dh then

[mild thunder]

stop

[knotty atlas]

That looks like some fury/arms went prot.

[urban skiff]

Isn't that always the story? Nobody builds for playing prot, they just dip into it to get an easy r1

[faint pumice]

Do you guys press thunderous roar separately or on a macro on arms?

[lavish quest]

Separately. Smash > Roar > Avatar spinning to winning

You could macro roar and avatar, I just don't personally

But if you have blademasters torment you want to make sure it goes off first if you macro it

[mild thunder]

^

macroing stuff together just isnt necessary and is almost never optimal

you dont always avatar in melee range

you dont always avatar for damage

[urban skiff]

I keep macros for popping everything and have separate binds

sometimes you don't want to give bots the opportunity to do stuff in between cds

[lavish quest]

Galachad plays hunter so his whole rotation is in a cast sequence on his scroll wheel

[mild thunder]

i wish i still had the mental capacity to press 1121222211221221222 and play arms

[urban skiff]

This is why i keybind shift+M as mortal strike and alt+O as overpower

keep me on my toes

also why does arms damage suck so much?

[lavish quest]

Spec arms, it's big brain time

[lavish quest]

Needs boofed. That is all

[mild thunder]

it doesnt lol

[lavish quest]

Nah nah nah, we gotta spread the info it's damage sucks so we get boofed

[mild thunder]

i cant wait to see the tears in a fortnight when arms gets gutted

gonna have my popcorn ready

[urban skiff]

They can nerf arms all they want

my heart is fury

[frank knoll]

Nobody is gonna be playing frost mage next season so that’s a buff for warrior

[mild thunder]

is Aang better for a mage or monk? 🤔

[sharp meteor]

Nothing really weird about that.

Hard to kill people in goes without mastery/vers.

[left meteor]

Monk

[ivory ice]

monk

[left meteor]

If there were some wind spells I would say otherwise

[ivory ice]

katara = mistweaver
sokka = arms
toph = ele sham
zuko = fire mage
aang = ww monk

[sage raptor]

With wounds being essential you'd imagine they'd be easier to spread and festering strike would cleave in DnD. If FS cleaved in DnD, I think defile would be picked a lot more often and it'd feel pretty good.

[mild thunder]

holy, mention ATLA once and i summoned the weebs

[left meteor]

You're not one of us?

[mild thunder]

i have watched one anime once in my life and i'll never admit what it was

[sage raptor]

Crushed under heavy skies
Atlas, rise!

The only atla I know

[ivory ice]

atla is a cartoon in my mind

[left meteor]

My cabbages

🙂

[mild thunder]

ye the setup also just feels super clunky and slow with such mediocre payoff unless you have literally every CD available

[lavish quest]

Damnit lol

[mild thunder]

rip

[sage raptor]

@knotty atlas what is it this time?

[mild thunder]

no shot hen-tai is a blocked word

[sage raptor]

I refuse to believe the pve nerds blocked it

[mild thunder]

someone in #general mustve been showing their USB folder

[sage raptor]

Lmao yeah

[left meteor]

is corn blocked

🙂

[lavish quest]

[scarlet barn]

Corn

[sage raptor]

Bruh

Herntai is censored

[mild thunder]

L

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/is-nothing-sacred-edd-ed-edd-n-eddy-nothing-is-sacred-anymore-things-are-no-longer-sacred-gif-7169372820730350405

[mild thunder]

this is one step too far

[sage raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/its-genuinely-over-its-over-its-so-over-seal-sad-seal-gif-27054806

[mild thunder]

it's so joever

[sage raptor]

Hello It's Over Department? I'd like to file a claim.

[mild thunder]

it's okay, they'll unban it after NNN is over

[knotty atlas]

More than likely a list of words was uploaded for a bot. I know it'a hard to believe,but there are minors playing the game as well.

[fallen estuary]

Nah no way they censored the cartoon word

😔

[lavish quest]

Hol' up, wait a minute.
How can you be 30 and balding and a minor?

[mild thunder]

i want to comment on this but i dont want to get in trouble

[fallen estuary]

Yummy lead flavored water

[mild thunder]

[lavish quest]

I live too close to flint for this to be a joke

[sage raptor]

Not me B)

Mmmm yummy lead water

[fallen estuary]

Who doesnt like flavored ground water 😄

[sharp meteor]

Vers is generally not great for output, but most pvp is vers weighted unless you use crafted stuff.

[sharp meteor]

Crit kind of boogery but it's whatever.

[mild thunder]

crit damage stat when

[sage raptor]

I thought boogers were your thing

[sharp meteor]

Imagine.

[mild thunder]

i genuinely see zero reason for it to not be a thing

could just be capped or have extra DR effects beyong ~30% for pvp

the trade-off being that you lose out in other stats for committing to an rng stat

[sharp meteor]

I feel like crit does neeed a bit of a buff in pvp.

[knotty atlas]

Is crit somehow nerfed in PvP or?

[sharp meteor]

Crits do, like, 150% instead of 200% dmg.

[mild thunder]

150% baseline

[knotty atlas]

Oooh.

[mild thunder]

was 175% from SL - DFs1 but it got nerfed last season

[sharp meteor]

Kind of wish we got the presicence thing where we get more crit to sort of offset how bad it is.

Battering ram interesting talent tho with extra crit dmg and sonic boom always crits so mastery/vers makes it bonk

[mild thunder]

one day i'll actually learn what aug does

id prefer it was just never meta so i didnt have to bother tho

[sharp meteor]

Basically just a 20 second buff to ally that inceas crit by 3% but its doubled in pvp

[knotty atlas]

Is it meta in PvP as well?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[knotty atlas]

[brazen rock]

delete aug

from all aspects of the game

[knotty atlas]

Delete evokers *.

[brazen rock]

^^

[sharp meteor]

It also makes prot unplayable in shuff

[brazen rock]

also delete blitz que decliners

[sharp meteor]

unless it's a double physicla + aug lobby

[brazen rock]

[mild thunder]

dude, m+ got it easy compared to arena

[sharp meteor]

Nah aug way more of a problem in keys its not even close

aug wasn't even super popular in arena

[mild thunder]

it was only popular like 2400+

but then it was all i saw

aug/x or ret/warr

[brazen rock]

how much honor do i need again

[sharp meteor]

retwarr and warlock or ele/mooner teams

[brazen rock]

12.5?

[mild thunder]

11.5k or so

[sharp meteor]

like 11k and a bit more on fury

[brazen rock]

dank, blitz is getting boring

healing 5iq apes

[mild thunder]

i never really saw much ele after 2200 or so

literally my last day of games was 8 augs in a row with a few ret/warrs and one mm cupid

[sharp meteor]

oddly not super popular on na

but i saw a few

we did 90% of our games in legit like a 3-4 day span tho

so saw a lot of the same teams

[mild thunder]

i only saw thunder

jungle vs rdruid thunder is actually

sewersidal gaming

[sharp meteor]

omg thunder i felt like that should've trashed us but we'd schizo swap off hots so hard they'd crumble on mana like 4 mins in

[knotty atlas]

That's kinda hard to believe, considering everyone and their mother requires a augmentation.

😂

[mild thunder]

my feral legit couldnt play the game into ele shamans

[knotty atlas]

How hard is 11k honor to get btw?

[mild thunder]

like

[sharp meteor]

Ya aug is like 100% in keys you just take one

[mild thunder]

he would step out from pillar > drop to 20% > go back behind pillar

nothing he can do

[sharp meteor]

dead catto

[lavish quest]

Yup sorry buddy, don't even think about wearing crit in pvp

[knotty atlas]

Well, i'm doing it for now.

[lavish quest]

Not too hard, just farm bgs for a day and you're there

[knotty atlas]

[sharp meteor]

Also crit extra bad on prot because sonic boom but in a pinch you just play whatever it's preseason

[mild thunder]

11k honor is maybe 2-3 hours

4 if you're unlucky

5 if you're alliance

[sharp meteor]

I need to try mastery/vers prot on one of my warrs this season

[knotty atlas]

Don't play Sonic Boom atm.

[sharp meteor]

but going fast with haste

is so fun

[sharp meteor]

Ya me neither

[knotty atlas]

[sharp meteor]

Nobody rly knows how prot does dmg so you can fling a bolt or fear on healer after some major cds spent in opener due to ally buttons then like

demo thunderous shield charge sonic boom

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

Oh yeah gaming

[knotty atlas]

I'm just lining Outburst with DS/SC

And hope for the best.

OH, Thunderstruck - is it not applicable in arenas?

I swear no one got rooted.

[sharp meteor]

It Drs now

Used to just always be 2 seconds but I imagine people found that annoying

Idk where to play it anymore I just run bg/demo/oppressor 95% of the time

[knotty atlas]

[wheat jay]

mwahi

i did some shuffle

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905959827891712050/1173263035515805716/image.png?ex=65635159&is=6550dc59&hm=98a87c7dd985408c5f521851f1057cab6c696104b811eb00b7bc05434da4748a&=&width=269&height=196

we're good

[knotty atlas]

[sharp meteor]

Also dude shield charge randomly getting disjointed and not working is gonna make me freak out

going on CD and doing nothing because I stood on a pebble

[knotty atlas]

DH seems fine.

[lavish quest]

Just think. He just had to press eye beam once and there it is

[sharp meteor]

ya dh doing war crime dmg on every content form

gonna be like early crimson where everybody is a dh main for like 4 weeks

until they get 4 diff 20% nerfs

[knotty atlas]

Oh dang, i already got 6.5k honor.

Idk from where.

[mild thunder]

from being a pvp chad

[wheat jay]

want a surprised?

[mild thunder]

obviously

[lavish quest]

Good thing I'm going back to my pve life for a while.

[sharp meteor]

Same

[wheat jay]

eye beam once

dh harder than arms or fury

[lavish quest]

Oh sorry, immo aura

[lavish quest]

DH was a 2 button spec when it dropped and it will never live down that first impression. It was so disappointing

[wheat jay]

true

its quite hard to deliver dmg on it now tho

xD

[lavish quest]

I'm sure you still just flip around living your best life. DH can't be hard

[wheat jay]

not rly

entire top row is my dmg rotation

then you add throw glaive, the hunt, vengeful for fury

[lavish quest]

The difficulty of warrior is not the buttons we press, it's getting in range to press them in the first place

https://clips.twitch.tv/CreativeOnerousBeanANELE-n14fwaedSMd-fr_k

[ivory ice]

thats the same amount of buttons as fury

[dense arrow]

There a new fury build floating around? didnt see any new pins

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, warr in 2s; just getting peeled/kited on everything.

[wheat jay]

[ivory ice]

nobody plays 2s you're a chat gpt clone if you play 2s

[sage raptor]

How the mighty have fallen

[lavish quest]

Also I have more buttons on my bars than that as a warrior. Nani?

[wheat jay]

cuz of utility

and macros

[mild thunder]

how many binds does your hunter have @wheat jay

[lavish quest]

Oh shush ranged player.
Sv is ranged change my mind

[wheat jay]

MORE

iirc 54 or 56

[mild thunder]

counting purely in-combat binds

i have 72

[mild thunder]

all my sv combat binds

yes, i am higher IQ and better than arms mains

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/real-and-true-lightskin-agreement-gif-25487093

[lavish quest]

[magic wing]

I love how ppl act like there are complex rotations in this game looool

Try BLM in raid content

[urban skiff]

It's tradition at this point

[magic wing]

Every class has been reworked and optimized multiple times for builders>spenders playstyle

[mild thunder]

black lives matter?

[mild thunder]

tbf i was talking strictly about survival pvp, in which yes it is 1000% objectively more complex than arms and it's not even remotely close... one is a 4th grader eating a crayon and another is writing his doctoral thesis

[cosmic violet]

nice comparision

[urban skiff]

arms is 4th grade math and survival is 5th grade math

[mild thunder]

arms turns into 6th grade math when you're versing rmp

outside of that it goes back to a 4th grader munching on crayons

[urban skiff]

What is fury then ? Agility training for dogs?

[wispy cedar]

Fartji

[mild thunder]

arms and fury are equally braindead

[urban skiff]

Not according to reddit. Where arms is high class big brain and fury is dumber than crayons

[urban skiff]

ngl, guy on left is kinda cute

[ivory ice]

gay

[urban skiff]

cute is cute

I don't make the rules

[frank knoll]

Okay what’s the verdict on ranged
What looks stronk

[ivory ice]

isn't demo lock insane or is it afflock

one of the locks is insane

[urban skiff]

what doesn't look strong?

[ivory ice]

frost is ass

[urban skiff]

I think outside a few outliers most classes have something going for them this season and most classes have more than one spec that's excellent

[frank knoll]

Demo and Destro looking good

[urban skiff]

off the top of my head I think only priest is kinda fucked for having multiple playstyles?

[magic wing]

There are no more “big brain” specs like before. Its just lower skill cap and higher

[sage raptor]

This new outlaw sucks

[frank knoll]

Spriest is dog water
Mm is gonna get nerfed
Boomy good
Frost better than people think
Arcane and Fire crazy

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay these the mfs that would be hardstuck 1600 if they played something other than warr

[frank knoll]

Rip find weakness

[magic wing]

Cope

[frank knoll]

But that talent they good where u don’t have to keep refreshing slice and dice is cool

[urban skiff]

joke's on you, i'm hardstuck at 1600 as warrior when not shuffling

[mild thunder]

[magic wing]

If any other spec was as fun as warrior Id main it

[mild thunder]

at least you're honest o7

[magic wing]

There isnt

[frank knoll]

They play the 1 minute tyrant
And tyrant just buffs the other pets now instead being the end all be all

[urban skiff]

enh is close

[magic wing]

Spec like SV is absolute trash in pve and might be “fun” in pvp

Thats not enough

[frank knoll]

SV is a lot of fun

[sage raptor]

Honor gear melts with sv

[frank knoll]

High skill cap, low skill floor

[magic wing]

Warrior has 3 S tier specs in both pve and pvp most of the time

[frank knoll]

A good SV is very impressive

[mild thunder]

ngl im not the biggest fan of sv in pve but how tf is arms fun?

you spam-reset two buttons and completely ignore resource management

[sage raptor]

Zug zug

Obv

[mild thunder]

like be fr bruh

[frank knoll]

Last time SV was good in PvE was late SL

Kyrian Bomb build

[magic wing]

Having double rotation ? Spamming executes and mortals under 35%

[mild thunder]

so... any execute spec?

[magic wing]

Best 2 target cleave dmg

[frank knoll]

For some reason kill shot hits very hard on SV

[magic wing]

Being melee and not a pussy ranged

[frank knoll]

Just seems like there’s not a lot of comps

[mild thunder]

sv is completely melee in pve

[mild thunder]

+40% from a sv-specific talent

[magic wing]

Thats good but SV gets dumpstered by Blizzard reguralry

[mild thunder]

shit pumps fr fr

[magic wing]

Can I play MM or BM and have fun ? No

[frank knoll]

Yeah I saw 200k kill shots last season

Lord knows what it would be now

[mild thunder]

not enough

but ye tldr im not gonna take someone's opinion seriously on spec complexity if they're a career arms main

[magic wing]

If you every do any mythic raiding being a warrior is spot

[mild thunder]

playing the literal most basic spec in the game and saying all specs are the same

[frank knoll]

Mages are saying frost will be bad cause of tier

[magic wing]

I played mage also

Ezmode compared to war in pve

[frank knoll]

I don’t understand
An ability that does 250k damage getting more damage

[magic wing]

You deal with way less mechanics

[wheat jay]

i meaaaaaaaan

they are hardstuck 1600 while playing warrior

[mild thunder]

isnt mage also one of the easiest specs?

at least frost

[frank knoll]

Frost mage is literally idiot proof

In PvP and PvE

[magic wing]

No its supposed to be “complex”

Arcane

[mild thunder]

arcane isnt even complex, it's just unintuitive

[magic wing]

Its not without rop

[mild thunder]

once you look into how to actually play it, it's not complex

[magic wing]

You can move around like a mf

[frank knoll]

Arcane = spend mana and arcane surge?

Idk

I only play frost mage

[mild thunder]

idk why we're even talking about pve, we were talking about pvp complexity

in which, ye

arms is braindead as fuck

[magic wing]

Most melees are in pvp

Ret,fdk

[mild thunder]

ye, i dont disagree with that

[frank knoll]

Unholy however

Requires a MENSA IQ to play

[mild thunder]

cap

and cope

[magic wing]

UH is just lame

[frank knoll]

So hard bro trust me bro

[sharp meteor]

Where'd this meme start

[magic wing]

Too many weird pet spells

[sharp meteor]

Death coil is half your damage, zit popping strike is the other half

[mild thunder]

unholy requires cocaine to play because it's the only way to stay awake with that boring ahh shit-stain of a spec

[frank knoll]

I believe the forums

Amatox maybe idk

[mild thunder]

but feral, sub, sv are all still pretty high skill-cap melee

[magic wing]

Yeah in pvp

[mild thunder]

arcane very, very high skill-cap in pvp

[magic wing]

Sub pve is a joke rotation

[mild thunder]

feral also pretty high skill-cap in pve

single-target

[magic wing]

In m+ you spam one skill

[frank knoll]

I’m can’t figure out how to do damage as Arcane

[mild thunder]

aoe less so (by a lot)

[magic wing]

In legion you did massive broken burst then sucked dick inbetween cds

[mild thunder]

assa could be more complex if it actually had real snapshotting

[frank knoll]

Yeah it’s just weird
Your big ability is Arcane surge which does damage based on mana spent. So you burn mana and then do a big surge? Idk

[mild thunder]

and more than 2 generators lol

[urban skiff]

I think bloodspec requires a menses iq to play

[magic wing]

Ret is a mensa spec

[frank knoll]

Ret is so brain dead I immediately got bored after like 2 hours

There literally isn’t a moment where I’m like “ohh shit I could die here”

[mild thunder]

is there a moment you can die as arms?

you spam ignore pain, swap into Dstance and have infinite bladestorms

[frank knoll]

Naw

Arms is the same

[magic wing]

Ret rotation is just shittier arms

[frank knoll]

Warrior got stale

I played it a lot last two seasons

[mild thunder]

based

evolve and grow, brother

[lavish quest]

I did 1800 on ret, unholy, rdru, and holy priest as well thank you very much

Then didn't bother with any other sets

[faint pumice]

@elfin surge what items would you craft? I’ve asked Exzistance, he said new head piece looks good

[elfin surge]

Havent looked into embellishments much yet. But yeah helm does look good

[lavish quest]

Says crit.🤮

[mild thunder]

melee cleave with 2 flourishing dreams would be cringe

[faint pumice]

Sorry for triggering allergie

[lavish quest]

Is there a leather version for the fistweaver?

[sage raptor]

You can craft every piece of gear outside of tier and embellishments

As well as gems

[mild thunder]

yea but these pre-embellished pieces have locked stats

like infurious boots, sporecloak etc.

[sage raptor]

Right

So it's not really the end of the world

All things considered

[mild thunder]

no, not really

too many mfs trying to hyper-optimise stats to push 1800

[lavish quest]

I mean... going after specific embellishments is hyper-optimizing even moreso... so...