pvp

[worthy fern]

@pure hornet jsut do the bloody token thing and I think that’s all that matters other than just have honor capped?

Someone can correct if I’m wrong

[pure hornet]

Thanks

I mean do i have to do campaign? I just pvp

[worthy fern]

The bloody token quest is in new zone so yea first few quests to get theee

Unless it’s just open off rip

I didn’t check

[frank knoll]

Sweat lords are min maxing honor gear and wpvp gear

So funny

Bruh chill you have like 6 months to get your 1800

[wheat jay]

Imma farm bloody tokens too

Cuz its a 10/10 mog for dh xD

[frank knoll]

I think the plate mog is dope

Maining Ret next patch but my Ret just hit 70 and is like 290 ilvl but already honor capped
Not going to attempt Wpvp tho

[pseudo herald]

is there a pre season bis ? like do we break 4 set to get full bloody token set?

[elfin surge]

if you want sure

you'll be powerful for 4 days

then honor gear replaces it all next week

[pseudo herald]

got nothing else to do :(

[elfin surge]

do campaign for spark quest

get 15k honor ready

pretty much all u need to do

[pseudo herald]

but i can keep my bloody token weapon?

[elfin surge]

honor gear is higher ilvl unless u upgrade the token gear

which we cant yet

[pseudo herald]

dunno if they set trophys to 0 but if not we have 16 trophys next week-

[elfin surge]

eventually you'll want to get token pieces to upgrade during the season

[elfin surge]

if we have 16 we are upgrading bloody token weapon

[pseudo herald]

<3

[elfin surge]

we can get 2 set on tuesday

full honor gear

and a crafted piece

will be a huge power spike

day 1

[pseudo herald]

how do we optain 2 set - buy one piece and get 1.6k? on tuesday?

[elfin surge]

yeah catalyst has 1 charge day 1

and 1600 tier token

[dire saddle]

Arms and Fury are aparently both strong but Fury will be stronger with 4set. Is this correct?

[elfin surge]

no

[pseudo herald]

last question, them im off getting sprk done - haste=Crit or haste>crit cuz 2 set?

[elfin surge]

arms will be the better spec

[dire saddle]

kk ty

[elfin surge]

even with tier

i suspect arms nerfs tho

[lavish quest]

Future nerf will just be avatar and cmash increases damage by 2% in pvp.

[lavish quest]

Crit bad. Forget it exists

[thick reef]

Crit is bad on both Arms and Fury

[modern veldt]

i guess the honor token to send to alts is gone because i can't find it on the vendor

[wet pollen]

I’ve seen people say the sparks quest gave them trophies while others didn’t. What’s it actually supposed to be? My quest has no trophy

[vivid pumice]

are we sticking with the same embellishments this season?

[elfin surge]

game is a mess who knows

[sharp meteor]

Dunno. I got my trophies, but expect them to get yoinked.

[vivid pumice]

i was talking to one guy who said he got the item to upgrade the pvp ilvl on crafted necks from a chest

[cyan mauve]

haven’t even been able to play because of exams 😿

[mild thunder]

It’ll all be yoinked after reset

[pseudo herald]

will we play those with 4 set?

[mild thunder]

Yes

[vapid tartan]

when you say buy you mean with the 1.6k token right

or are there other ways to buy tier

[pseudo herald]

token via 1.6 achievement and onepiece from conquest points

[pure hornet]

What are the best 2 first gear picks? On tuesday?

[pseudo herald]

i suspect pants via token , hands via conquest and build shoulder or head from spark

[green sequoia]

I imagine shoulders won’t be used with tier… so other 4

[cyan mauve]

anyone else think the warrior set looks like butt

[green sequoia]

Yea a couple of them do

But the sham one tho…. That shit on point

[vapid tartan]

we dont need to do the seed shit for pvp right

[lavish quest]

You need it to pve lord for the leggo

:D

[frank knoll]

There’s no way they will let y’all keep them

[mild thunder]

No you don’t?

It’s an rng drop from last boss of raid with scaling drop chance depending on difficulty

[vapid tartan]

really hope the leggo gets nerfed to shit in pvp

cba grinding it on 3 warrs

[mild thunder]

Just queue lfr once a week, not hard

But yea rng legendaries is just bad design imo

Bring back SL legendaries

[vapid tartan]

i dont mind them

just dont think they have a place in pvp

[frank knoll]

I have PTSD from double Shadowmourne TSG

Talk about absolute AIDS Zug zug

[mild thunder]

If the next legendary isn’t an agility polearm I’m gonna riot

Let us have our moment

[thick reef]

Fuck off huntard

Go back to fucking your dog or the druid

[mild thunder]

That’s a lotta words for an arms main

Don’t stress your brain out

[thick reef]

Nah, I'm a Prot Bro, we is learn-ded and shit

[mild thunder]

[worthy fern]

Why not just give every one a special weapon

[near delta]

Umm what???

[supple galleon]

what do yall know about this?

[sharp meteor]

Nothing, that's new.

I guess they didn't like how upgrading was working.

[wheat jay]

Cuz it was buggy

People exploited it

And was a punishing mechanic if you skipped a week

Especially at the start of the season

[supple galleon]

so me farming legitimately for the wm gear blue version was pointless?

[mild thunder]

It’s basically how it worked in s1

[mild thunder]

Yes

There was no reason to do that, ever

Anyone claiming you should or that it was mandatory is an idiot

[supple galleon]

I was doing ti bc there was nothing else to do but I didnt know it was pointless

[wheat jay]

You can get a pretty transmog faster i guess

And fam iirc it was gonna be useless anyway

Since honor gear is higher ilvl by like 3 or something xD

[supple galleon]

yeah but this is upgradable

or was, i guess

[mild thunder]

Yup

[mild thunder]

Once per week

There’s no point forming a whole set lol

[sharp meteor]

It alwasys was unless you wanted to spam queue this week.

[wheat jay]

It was upgradable with trophies of strife which you can get 8 a week

[sharp meteor]

Although ig you could've upgraded 1 piece with trophies

[supple galleon]

I only got the pieces that had good stats for my spec

[wheat jay]

So ye you just wasted your time

Cuz you dont know how it all works

And i assume you didnt ask anyone either

To make sure you're not wasting time

[mild thunder]

Tbf some streamers were encouraging people to do it

[wheat jay]

Cuz they dumb

[mild thunder]

Straight up lie lmao

[glacial shale]

Is farming honor a thing for new season ? haven't done a pvp season start yet, got 13k stocked up but idk if I can spend it, if it'll be reset etc...

[mild thunder]

But Ven has always been a retardd

[supple galleon]

feels like theres really no reason to play this week after you do the ED campaign then

[mild thunder]

People finally learning what an off-season is

There is no season yet

[wheat jay]

Wtf?

[mild thunder]

Go touch grass for a week you won’t die ffs

[mild thunder]

He legit contradicts himself too lmao

[wheat jay]

Gotta farm

But then replaced on reset

So why farm

Bro that's such a dumb take

I cba

[mild thunder]

I legit don’t know how he can be this dumb

How do you type that shit out and not realise how dumb it is

[mental knoll]

So what is honor used for now?

[mild thunder]

Sending to alts
Trophy of strife catchup

[mental knoll]

Sheesh this shit is so damn convoluted

[thick reef]

Trophy of Strife
Win lootbox
5 Mark of Honor Box

[mild thunder]

they've literally made it less convoluted...

[thick reef]

but yeah, Honor to buy, Flightstones/Crests to upgrade

[sharp meteor]

do pvp get honor buy honor gear do more pvp for conquest buy conquest gear

[mild thunder]

nah, too complicated

Basic Arms Info For 10.2

YES THE LEGENDARY IS WORTH USING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stat Priority:
Vers > Haste (25-30%) > Mast > Crit

Typical Arms Build (With 4pc):
BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgWiERCJJKlSSAAAAABRiASQBRDSCJhiEhECQKJAAAAAAAAkkWiIgQ0QA

Do we take tier?
Yes. You want tier on shoulders, chest, gloves and legs.

What embellishments do we use?
First craft should be boots, and then either Verdant Conduit or Blue Silken Lining on helmet. Difference is negligible, pick either.

What order should I buy my pieces in?
4pc > Weapon > DPS Trinket > Direct stat upgrades

Arms or Fury?
Arms is better and it's not even close, but if you prefer Fury, play Fury.

For further information see the IcyVeins guides below or for in-depth questions check out the list of streamers in #268491842637660160 .

@knotty atlas pin that pls

for a week

[supple galleon]

just a piece of constructive criticism, maybe you guys should stop being so condescending when people ask questions also. and if reading this upsets you and you lash out again, maybe you are the problem not the people asking questions

[sharp meteor]

Also on a semi related note I farmed like 2000 bloody tokens in under 2 hours.

[mild thunder]

reading the same questions 10x a day is tiring and that's why the pins should be updated - this isnt and never has been a beginner/new player discord

[sharp meteor]

So now I get to spend the rest of the week at 470 ilev

[mild thunder]

augvoker behavior

[sharp meteor]

It was on my DK, actually.

[mild thunder]

blood dk behavior

[sharp meteor]

Correct.

[mild thunder]

we arent streamers. no one here gets paid donations or subs to answer the same question about "is X meta", "what slot for unity", "what embellishments" a hundred times every hour

[frank knoll]

Don’t mind @mild thunder just grumpy cause they havent had vegemite yet

[cyan mauve]

maybe you shouldn’t be such a baby

[frank knoll]

But yeah if you want some WoW time this is a good week to level alts farm transmog and x chill out

I usually don’t start pushing until like week 3 anyways after they do tuning

[mild thunder]

you're right

vegemite toast and milo - the breakfast of kings

[mental knoll]

Idk upgrading gear with honor was the simplest concept. Tracking four different tiers of crests on top of flightstones isn't my idea of ideal

[near delta]

Hopefully a dingo hasn't eaten his baby

[frank knoll]

Can’t have a baby if you’re Maidenless

[green sequoia]

so question.... is higher pvp ilvl more important that the set bonuses from current tier?

[mild thunder]

im gonna eat your mf baby (im a democrat)

[mild thunder]

depends on the spec, but for arms ilvl > 10.1 tier bonuses

[green sequoia]

ah okay! was dropping 4pc and wasnt sure if it was the play

[lavish quest]

Twas meme

[lavish quest]

It amazes me how much people freak out or fail to comprehend when they're given a week to just chill the fuck out

[wheat moon]

dude is living the game 24/7 lmao

omg they gonna smash me on these unranked games 😦

[mild thunder]

idk, bro is just a dumbass

[lavish quest]

I don't mean just him, like everyone is in a frenzy of oh what do I gotta do? When the answer is relax till next week lol

[mild thunder]

yup

the answer is either farm renown for mounts or touch grass

ive also seen tons of people complaining about doing the campaign quests "grr so boring! why do blizz make me do quest!!"

like bruh, that shit aint mandatory, the only effect it has on player power is the augment rune for pve and that's tiny

[lavish quest]

I mean.. like even though... it takes like 30 mins of low effort... ugh, just shut up and do it

[mild thunder]

yup, it's quick af

put on some music, watch a movie in the background or something and it's over before you know it

[lavish quest]

Put on a mud stream since "he's back"

[mild thunder]

that too

[hasty pulsar]

anyone know if conquest/honor reset on day 1 of season 3

[sharp meteor]

Conquest does, Honor doesn't.

[hasty pulsar]

ok thank you

[frank knoll]

BG blitz queues are like 10 mins long lol

I just waited 17 mins for one

[vagrant thistle]

Is elite pvp appearance still available for season 2?

[cursive pike]

start of a patch always sucks. Best to come back in 4 months

[sage raptor]

im still testing since no one else will

Unless Fox does it first

[sharp meteor]

What, prot stats?

[sage raptor]

yeah

[digital rover]

How is arms looking guys. the new storm of destruction worth using?

[sharp meteor]

Matchup and preference thing.

[digital rover]

BETRAYER

[sage raptor]

You too

[digital rover]

kek

DK's make up the warrior discord too?

LOL

[sharp meteor]

Heys. 😁

[sage raptor]

When we run out of RP, what are we but warriors?

[digital rover]

FACTS

[sage raptor]

Warriors with mid defensives ig

[digital rover]

better than dk

[sharp meteor]

But yeah, mastey is more frontloaded damage from the ap, haste is great but doesn't lend itself as well to burst and doesn't scale your large single hits (execute, shield charge, sonic boom). It's kind of finding a balance or what suits the matchup.

Haste won't help you kill a mage in shuffle, but mastery will.

[sage raptor]

God I love Prot

[sharp meteor]

It has its moments. Usually into other warriors.

[sage raptor]

yeah I hope its a melee meta

[sharp meteor]

Three flavors of Warrior is what I love to see, especially with a Hunter.

[sage raptor]

I can live against one caster. But god forbid theres another >.>

Season of Discovery is getting Glad stance

im so jealous

[sharp meteor]

Dying isn't usually as big of a concern as just finding an angle to force a kill.

[rotund trellis]

what 2h wep you guys getting from the Wpvp vendor? polearm?

ar risking sword with crit?

[sharp meteor]

Crit weapon seems kind of questionable.

[rotund trellis]

yeah that's what I thought

[vagrant thistle]

elite pvp set still possible t oget?

[rotund trellis]

no

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

And we'll be able to earn the new one starting Tuesday.

[rotund trellis]

sophic dev is still top enchant? are we getting new enchants this tier?

[mild thunder]

hey @sharp meteor what stats? do i buy tier first? what enchants? is arms good in 10.2? what healer is best for 2s?

[sharp meteor]

I'd recommend crafting unity on belt.

[near delta]

How do yall feel about the new mog?

[mild thunder]

ass

[sharp meteor]

I kind of like it.

[near delta]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-trauma-imagination-spongebob-gif-23778560

[mild thunder]

deranged

id call you more words but all the good ones are blacklisted

[sharp meteor]

❤️

[mild thunder]

❤️

[tiny dagger]

anything new for arms? still mastery haste spore boots shockwave ?

[simple rock]

sporecloak was massively nerfed

but haste mastery probably still the play

[sage raptor]

It's okay

[leaden lynx]

how many bloody tokens is the new pvp gear

[rotund trellis]

I just got the weapon

(450 tokens)

I also completed the sparks quest, but I don't seem to have received the upgrade token

[leaden lynx]

sick. i'm at 1300, just heroic leaped onto a cliff and am afk farming all the tokens

[rotund trellis]

how do you farm without doing damage?

[leaden lynx]

i'm in a party and they just seem to not notice me never dying

or doing much of anything

[rotund trellis]

hahah genius

also got the first spark of dreams, supposedly used to upgrade crafted gear?

[deft fog]

PSA: Don’t spend bloody tokens on things you want to upgrade to the epic version… they changed the system

[rotund trellis]

I absolutely do not understand that

[deft fog]

It’s gonna cost you tokens + trophies to get the epic thing not blue thing + trophies as in the last two seasons… so buying the blue thing with tokens will essentially mean you’ll need to farm more tokens… pretty lame change

[sharp meteor]

Used to be you'd buy gear with bloody tokens then upgrade with trophy later

now you just buy the upgraded piece directly and it also costs bloody tokens

[rotund trellis]

so back to the grind?

oooof i hate Wpvp

[deft fog]

I think the move is to just check the daily pvp quests until one of those +500 bloody token reward dailies pops up

Seems best use of time

[sharp meteor]

Or just don't and only use honor/conquest gear. 😅

[deft fog]

The trophy gear will be the way to min/max for a while though, correct?

[rotund trellis]

I think trophy weapon is gonna be bis until conquest

[deft fog]

But even things like spending 15 trophies to fill out wrists/belt/cloak week 2 are solid plays unless the secondary stats are crit

[mild thunder]

shouldnt have been wasting tokens anyway lol

literally, literally no reason to

[mild thunder]

yes, collecting 1x trophy piece and 1x conq piece per week will be ideal for the first 2ish months

[river walrus]

I am sticking to honor gear next reset, no patience to farm wpvp

[leaden lynx]

afk farm, i'm almost at 2k

i'm a bad man =[

[rotund trellis]

well to be fair all the YT guides say that I should get the weapon

so i stupidly bought it

[mild thunder]

anyone still making YT guides for arms is probably a retardd

thogrey, flarkness, supa, random bg mains etc.

even bajheera guides are troll after the ignore pain debacle

[sharp meteor]

Didn't he buy an int sword?

[mild thunder]

i wouldnt be surprised

[rotund trellis]

So long story short, how many F tokens shall we stack up for the weapon upgrade?

[mild thunder]

F tokens?

[rotund trellis]

sorry, bloody tokens

[mild thunder]

idk, it's not really something you should bother farming for rn imo

if there's a WQ that gives X bloody tokens, do it

[rotund trellis]

I agree

yeah, I mean honor gear will be more than enough to start farming conquest and ranks

[mild thunder]

yup

[rotund trellis]

I actually have another question, is rend refreshed by mortal strike?

[mild thunder]

unless you want a literal day 1, hour 1 advantage over the most casual player in wow, there's really no point stressing over anything this week

[rotund trellis]

I noticed it is (played fury last season)

and sometimes it's applied by MS as well

what's triggering it?

[mild thunder]

below 35% with the talent, yes

[rotund trellis]

ah

[mild thunder]

bloodsomething

[rotund trellis]

true

[mild thunder]

bloodletting

[sharp meteor]

Dude every cord has people worrying about it

[mild thunder]

it's mindnumbing ngl

[rotund trellis]

while for crafting, the new tokens are still locked right?

[arctic rain]

waht's the thought on fury vs arms viability

[rotund trellis]

wym

[arctic rain]

Which one is looking to be better for 3's?

[sage raptor]

They're both chunking rn

[arctic rain]

Figured stat priority isn't identical so I don't want to buy stuff for one then have to swaap and end up behind

[quasi canyon]

Hey does anyone know what stats we want to be focusing on this season?

[mild thunder]

@knotty atlas pin the message

[urban skiff]

does this mean we can upgrade way more strife gear than before? Or does it mean the strife gear is exclusively bought?

[barren bear]

do we still do rated pvp for great vault during off week?

[rotund trellis]

no

[sharp meteor]

Yes, but it'll be Obsidian/s2 stuff.

To do list this week: earn 11k honor

[mild thunder]

too convoluted, how do i get a full conquest set this week?

[west mural]

just get your honor for next week honor gear and then get the bloody token quest each week for that ez juicy 500 bloody tokens+ the token for the upgraded epic gear + conquest gear each week

blah, just give ppl the honor gear and 1 piece of conquest gear each week and be done with it

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor feral/aug week 1?

im not memeing, i want an easy 1800 for the tier token

[urban skiff]

do it for the tokens to buy gold

[sage raptor]

prot war is so stupid rn

[barren bear]

how so

[sage raptor]

damage

[fallen solar]

So I should buy the bloody armor now?

I bought some pieces on my hunter and I could upgrade it with flint stones

I thought we needed strifes

[urban skiff]

#pvp message

[knotty atlas]

What message?

[mild thunder]

@knotty atlas

uhh, the one under it

[knotty atlas]

Gotcha.

[mild thunder]

❤️

[glass orchid]

whats everyone doing for embelish

everythings gutted

sporecloak is dogshit

[mild thunder]

everything = one embellishment that arms barely even used

[glass orchid]

well i meant as alternative

with sporecloak gone everything else is nerfed to shit too

[mild thunder]

you shouldnt have been using sporecloak last season tbh, useless af for arms

[glass orchid]

theres nothing good tbh

everyone was sporecloak on ladder

[mild thunder]

either the mastery over 90% piece, stat while slowed etc.

something that gives damage

[unique fox]

anyone ever bother to test fang adornments on arms

[sage raptor]

Really none of the embellishments do a lot

[fickle forge]

Boots are big

Free badge every SB

[frank knoll]

Ele slinging 250k instacast lava bursts

[fickle forge]

Now imagine when they'll be sending an ele blast alongside it with tier

[mild thunder]

arms slinging 300k instant mortal strikes

[frank knoll]

Destro gonna be hitting 500-600k bolts

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872557080819691591/1171950121110491238/image.png?ex=655e8a9a&is=654c159a&hm=530b810a5cd04efd6961bea3c9c1950c5988db9b7595b08bc648eb09a8faf8b8&

[mild thunder]

[fickle forge]

Skill issue honestly

[mild thunder]

cant wait for arms to get nerfed and this channel dies again

[fickle forge]

Have you tried lining the MS?

[mild thunder]

[frank knoll]

Naw just reroll to fury

[mild thunder]

no one gonna reroll to fury unless it's OP

[fickle forge]

It probably will be

Fury tier is fat

[mild thunder]

98% of this channel is just fotm rerollers currently playing arms

[fickle forge]

We had more rerollers in this channel in SL

[mild thunder]

enjoy being disarmed every go, sitting every cc, never being able to get value out of intervene, not having banner and being squishy

[fickle forge]

Back when other class discords would come here to ask questions about their own class

[mild thunder]

do you remember how dead this channel was pre-10.0.5?

the only people playing arms were you, me and lukeypooky

[frank knoll]

I think the real menaces will be Demo, Destro, BM

[fickle forge]

Back when the furry gang reigned

Destro tier looking fat as well

Never cast and top meters with rifts

[mild thunder]

never cast and top damage with mortal strike

[fickle forge]

Never cast and top meters with rifts at 40 yd*

[mild thunder]

who needs 40yd range when you have arms mobility

[shy aurora]

Has there been any big changes to our talent tree?

[mild thunder]

how tf you getting kited with 2 bladestorms, 2 charges, short CD leap, intervene and teammates

frrrr

[frank knoll]

I don’t think they will being playing rifts, they’re all gravitating to the big bolt build

[mild thunder]

no

doesnt need to, arms talent tree is one of the best

[fickle forge]

Press MS and win as per usual

Arms lowkey has too many good PvP talents now, can't choose em' all

[mild thunder]

at least chadgish doesnt whine about arms being F tier

[frank knoll]

I haven’t seen Rets cranking

[mild thunder]

fr, most specs have ~4 good talents if they're lucky... arms has 1 bad talent lol

[magic wing]

How is banner that big ?

[frank knoll]

Final verdict still only doing like 120k

[mild thunder]

idk, how is halving all cc on your entire team big

[shy aurora]

Havent tested il play arms bad or good xd

[fickle forge]

What?

[magic wing]

You can kill it in one global tho

[fickle forge]

Banner would be the best PvP talent in the game if it actually worked half the time

[mild thunder]

1. not true
2. even if all you're doing is delaying cc by 3ish seconds, that's plenty

you're just using it wrong if it's dying in a second every use

[fickle forge]

Banner is pretty easy to use into most comps

[mild thunder]

dude all you have to do is banner your burst and you get free value

not the best value, but it's cap to say it's poor value

[fickle forge]

RMP is the hardest to use it vs, but also has the biggest value

[mild thunder]

most warriors are just retardds when it comes to using banner

the amount of morons that drop banner after ive already trapped even though i was too lazy to cross-cc is hilarious

[fickle forge]

Half the time I need to int my leap to get into range of banner vs surv comps

Come closer lil' healer bro

[shy aurora]

Im wondering how mm gonna bee when tiers are out

[fickle forge]

Giga Chad warrior keeps you safe if you're close

[mild thunder]

or this, they're just crazy out of range

esp since all the 10.1 warriors only played with rdruid cause they're little meta bitches

[fickle forge]

I like Rdruid when it catweaves

[mild thunder]

not anytime soon

rdruid doesnt do shit but treant and afk

mfs just sit on treant so i cant trap now too zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[fickle forge]

Convincing my healer to go disc now that it's good again 🙏

Or Rsham for the damage

[mild thunder]

all my homies love disc meta

only heals i can respect o7

[fickle forge]

I can respect all aggro healers

[mild thunder]

you respect fw?

no shot

[fickle forge]

Not the way it is right now

Where you can mindlessly do 12112 and top everyone

[mild thunder]

fw shouldnt exist

it's degenerate as fuck

always will be

[fickle forge]

But when it had moments it could have some uptime for minor healing and take the risk of dying it was good

No one should do full healing from doing damage, that's regarded

[mild thunder]

if it was more akin to catweaving i could respect it

[magic wing]

When I played into arms the dude dropped banner right infront of me

[mild thunder]

if it played with something other than ret/warr i could respect it

[fickle forge]

Cranefist was good

Nuke 25% of your mana to go offensive for a bit

You'd oom fast if you couldn't finish the game

[mild thunder]

i wouldnt mind rsham coming a bit more into meta

spec needs a rework imo

[fickle forge]

The healer I play with claims Rsham is gonna be strong

[mild thunder]

🧢

[fickle forge]

But their CDs could surely use a rework

Rsham has nothing lmao

All their CDs are complete ass

[mild thunder]

ascendance

[fickle forge]

Ascendance for 20k

[mild thunder]

doesnt even burst heal if you're not in melee

[fickle forge]

Duplication is the only good thing

Tide is okay, but dies

I swear an Rsham will never top anything if you kill tide and stream totems

[mild thunder]

true

[fallen estuary]

https://www.pcgamer.com/wow-augmentation-evoker-overpowered-explanation/

"It was deliberate" fuck you blizzard

[fickle forge]

What did you expect dude?

Every company does this

They want you to try out their new shit

[mild thunder]

this is literally the most non-news of all time

[river walrus]

I heard in MoP they nerfed monks to the ground because they were afraid of dks 2.0

[fickle forge]

And result was no one played monk for the longest time

[mild thunder]

no one still plays ww

dead ahh spec

[river walrus]

Lol I love ww monk

[frank knoll]

Prev rules though

Only fun healing spec besides Disc

[mild thunder]

doesnt make it not dead

it's a very low popularity spec

not survival levels but iirc it's roughly equal to feral

[fickle forge]

I would honestly alt WW if it wasn't so anime

If it was fully focused on its MA aspects, I'd go for it

[mild thunder]

i would main ww if they fixed touch of death

[frank knoll]

Why would you want to be a martial artist in a fantasy game

[mild thunder]

and just... the spec

[frank knoll]

That’s weird

[fickle forge]

Wdym lmao

[mild thunder]

wdym lmao

[frank knoll]

Just go sign up for Muay Thai irl

[fickle forge]

Ye bro lemme just do that

[mild thunder]

why would you play arms in a fantasy game? just sign up for hema irl

[frank knoll]

Are you able bodied?

Then yeah you ca

[fickle forge]

Why would you play hunter in a fantasy game? Just take a hunter license and get to it

[frank knoll]

And you live in socialist Europe

So it’s probably free and a safe space

[mild thunder]

getting a pet cat to live my best hunter life

[fickle forge]

It ain't bro

MA is hella expensive lmao

[frank knoll]

Hema is sick, but nobody does it lol

[fickle forge]

And I prefer to go all in on the gym instead

[frank knoll]

Join the Army then pussy

[mild thunder]

socialism is when martial arts is free

[fickle forge]

If I join the army I gotta give up my career

[frank knoll]

Sign up for the Australian SAS, go do war crimes

[fickle forge]

So that's why I am in the army in a fantasy game

[frank knoll]

@mild thunder

[fickle forge]

Making war crimes virtually

🙏

[mild thunder]

we take no prisoners 🙏

[frank knoll]

Or in your case join the GROM or whatever spec ops Poland has

[mild thunder]

i do use biological weapons (in-game)

[fickle forge]

Why yes, I kill anyone who surrenders (in-game)

And do fake surrenders

[mild thunder]

i cant wait for reset so i can annex blade's edge and then launch a full-scale invasion

[fickle forge]

Why play priest in a fantasy game when you can just pray daily

[mild thunder]

i pray 5 times a day facing the stormwind chapel

[frank knoll]

What being a socialist European and working 12 hours a week

[fickle forge]

The reason why @frank knoll isn't a paladin main is because he simply marches on Jerusalem daily

[frank knoll]

🫡

[fickle forge]

Ye bro it's paradise

I paid off an American to do those 12 hours for me so I get paid for relaxing

[mild thunder]

poland... paradise...

[frank knoll]

Mashallah

[mild thunder]

alhamdullilah

bismillah

PBUH

[fickle forge]

Me, a socialist European, talking to @frank knoll
https://youtu.be/w5iI8lBADRs?si=lUr2-1nT6ghTp_my

[worthy fern]

Drawing the line with Tate when he said it’s feminine to like food

[frank knoll]

Fellow Muslim Andrew Tate

Ohh yeah where he went in a rant about how it’s not alpha to make yourself a sandwich lol

The started describing the process step by step

[fickle forge]

Every lifter just died there

[frank knoll]

https://youtu.be/0b4r_BEUNlg?si=zDLihXVcYIhF0_z-

[green sequoia]

Holy shit rogues are dangerous if they get you low lol…. Once you hit 35% they can just run away and bleeds start ticking for 80k lol

[worthy fern]

@fickle forge he said knowing how to cook is feminine and liking it is even more

I love making bomb food

[fickle forge]

Ye, cooking is lit

How can it ever be bad to be self-reliant lmao

[lavish quest]

Just eat raw food, simple

[fickle forge]

🙏

Casual 450k hit

[elfin surge]

rogue needs buff

[frank knoll]

Live the Primal lifestyle

[magic wing]

Imagine needing other peoples skills to survive

Men who cook get pussy

[fossil mortar]

You do you, as long it ain't blender chicken smoothie.

[dense herald]

ok wtf am i supposed to against mages

i cant catch up to them

do i just go healer

[frank knoll]

Garbage

[cyan mauve]

that’s not even that bad

7 minute mile pace isn’t too bad

not everyone is goggins

[cyan mauve]

i spilled raw beef testicle juice on my keyboard thanks for the advice, dick

[thick reef]

Skill issue

[blissful lagoon]

What bracket?

[dense herald]

2.1k

[violet fossil]

pretty good pace

[lavish quest]

We do love a sloppy

[lavish quest]

Cry

[fallen estuary]

Die

[thick reef]

Stop staring at the loaded shotgun next to the desk

[pseudo herald]

consider banner, avatar, bladestorm as utility not dmg

[thick reef]

You still rope, but that is the gameplan

[pure hornet]

And warrior is kinda the same…

[rare oak]

So is it worth using Skullsplitter now?

[lavish quest]

No. It's worse than it was.

[rotund trellis]

For those using thinderclap, are you using it to apply rend by default or only in specific instances?

[sharp meteor]

Uh, I think always unless you're worried about about breaking a poly or something.

[pseudo herald]

tbh im playing shockwave no thunder, will change as soon as i hit 4 set

[lavish quest]

Thunderclap unless you'll break CC. Costs more rage so better for anger management

Will slap on multiple targets and pets. Big good

[pseudo herald]

thunder probs already good with new 2pc into pet classes. but without im not down to give up shockwave and stamina talent yet

[mystic prairie]

Idk how I feel about thunder, rend hit deals more damage and SS exists to spread it, you can get 2 near useless talents in place of it, like 5% speed and sidearm

idk why you'd be worried about having rend on pets and whatnot

but then I do use it vs double melee

for some reason

[lavish quest]

Sometimes you run talents where it benefits you.
Like if you're running fueled by violence, the pets bleeding heal you

[mystic prairie]

ah, true

[lavish quest]

SS rend works to spread but can rng hit a pet since there's 90 of those in every arena game these days

Thunderclap is just a better rage dump too, more rage spent per gcd. So more CDR with anger management

Also applies a shitty slow for what that's worth

[mystic prairie]

any of you felt the difference now that tactician doesnt proc off ignore pain?

at least doing emerald quests there were a couple times where I had no buttons to press

[lavish quest]

Can't speak on that. I'm just doing pve shit mostly so far on my pally to hit rep 10 for rep buff and now on my main, but as fury/prot for the pve life. The like one time I was arms didn't notice a ton

[mystic prairie]

this applies only during TR or at all times?

[rare oak]

Probably during thunderous roar otherwise it'd be a bit weird to word it like that.

[mystic prairie]

yea I suppose since it doesn't have the "at all times"

[sharp meteor]

During. 😁

Also that roar talent is kind of neat becasue the root lets you get people out of dashes and stuff.

[mystic prairie]

it feels like a 2nd mandatory talent to me

but I grew to like storm but I can't take it now if I need disarm

[near delta]

Feels bad to drop banner and disarm vs rouges

[mystic prairie]

yea so much sacrificing one for another now

like, 2x intervene is dope vs rogues as well

buff arms pls (add 4th pvp slot)

xd

we ditching sharpen now bois 🤡

[elfin surge]

Sharpen, Battlefield, Safeguard, Disarm, Warbanner and storm of destruction all solid honor talents

need to find what to play vs what

i want to play all of them

[sharp meteor]

I still think an okay idea for a pvp set bonus would be to have a 100% pick talent as a bonus which frees up another honor talent slot, like if DKs just all got dark sim, or Arms got Sharpen.

Having something you either can't take because you have a core 2-3 honor talents or always take because it's just so powerful (sharpen) limits decisionmaking.

[elfin surge]

so literally conflict and strife

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, basically.

[elfin surge]

i would love that

[sharp meteor]

It'd also fix the "my tier is bad" when it doesn't align with how the spec plays in pvp.

Like when aff gets a tier bonus to shadow bolt that either isn't played or gives them a potential 1-shot.

[elfin surge]

thats a solid idea bring back conflict and strife

[sharp meteor]

Hey, it wouldn't do the double vers when stunned thing.

[ruby temple]

do we think the legendary is gonna be nerfed in pvp? I didn't see if it was for the evoker one last patch

[sharp meteor]

Yes, and evoker legendary had its effect reduced by either 60% or 70%.

[rotund trellis]

this should be enough. Farming bloody tokens is really one of the owrst things a human can experience

as a warrior

[magic wing]

Imagine

Doing that when conq releases in few days

[wheat jay]

Two world quests for 500 each yesterday

[mystic prairie]

how do you tell which world quests give you that?

[magic wing]

I wouldnt mind sharpening in pve

[rotund trellis]

yeah I got those, stupidly spent my money as I didn't know about the hotfix

[magic wing]

Sharpen has never left meta since they put it in

[sharp meteor]

Well, that's some self-inflicted misery because there's really no point. 😅

[rotund trellis]

although there is right? I do it cause I want to play fury as well, and having wpvp weapon can give me some edge

not much, but hey, at least it's something to do as we wait

[dense herald]

Honor gear is highrr ilvl than bloody tokens gear

[rotund trellis]

true, but not the upgraded one

[dense herald]

Playong fury is also self inflicted misery

[rotund trellis]

and why is that

[dense herald]

Cuz arms better

[mystic prairie]

hey, fury is s tier according to tier list lolol

[arctic rain]

which is better in 2's though if rdruid ends up meta?

[urban skiff]

When is it leg day?

[urban skiff]

always trust tier lists. Fury S-tier confirmed for absolutely no reason

[pure hornet]

Was thinking of switching to taureen from orc. What you guyz think?

[urban skiff]

reg tauren or the speedy one?

[dense herald]

Cuz of tier set maybe

[pure hornet]

Reg

Regular taureen

[mystic prairie]

is there a list of classes/specs that can remove fatality stacks?

[pure hornet]

I dont like highmountain

[urban skiff]

Idk what to tell you. I prefer the charge over the stun

Not sure about anything else

[green anchor]

fuck yea 🤘

[charred rock]

Is arms pretty good for just bg stomping and warmode stuff? Looking to come back and main arms warrior for this season I think

[green anchor]

yes

If you have access to a pocket healer(s) for BG then Fury with Death Wish is even more fun

[pure hornet]

Love charge more too. But thosr antlers…

[charred rock]

Unfortunately no pocket healers but hopefully won’t be to bad haha

[river walrus]

Fury warrior with tier set is looking good for Solo shuffle, especially into melee cleaves. Not so much into wizards

[urban skiff]

agreed

good fucking thing the game isn't 80% wizards above 1600 then innit

[arctic rain]

Why does the icy veins arms build not run unhinged?

[river walrus]

Icy veins is not the best

I would go with murlok.io

You can see all top players there and copy their build

[arctic rain]

oh, they pinned icy veins so I assumed it was useful

[river walrus]

I usually check the top 10 players of the ladder and copy their shit lol

[leaden lynx]

this

[urban skiff]

aren't they still playing with s2 tier set bonus?

[fallen estuary]

Icy veins is ran by warlocks and mages to trick melees into speccing the worst and most stupid fucking builds so they can easily farm them

[wispy cedar]

Fartji

[soft finch]

Thank you for the recommendation I didn’t even know this was a thing.

[vocal forge]

stat prio for arms?

[onyx marlin]

crit

[vocal forge]

thx!

[arctic rain]

he's lying

[dull sinew]

Is there somewhere people go to just world pvp for the weekly quest?

[vocal forge]

look for a bloody token farm group

[dull sinew]

Thank you 🙂

[vocal forge]

I'm assuming vers mastery then?

[arctic rain]

everything I've seen is vers->mastery->haste->crit

[vocal forge]

thanks!

[dull sinew]

For the bloody token farm, people kinda just sit on the graveyard and get nuked?

[river walrus]

For now yes. When season starts it will reset and you just keep copying their builds. Murlok.io is great source for talents, equipments, enchant and all of it

[river walrus]

No worries, just check murlok.io for the best builds and equipments, gems,enchants talents and everything. Drustvar is also another good one

[rotund trellis]

lol from what i see the ranked shuffle bgs are pure cancer/toxic

and i thought ss was bad

[proud galleon]

when i play it, no one communicates at all, no toxicity cos everyones playing like bots.

[green moon]

we will still need a bit of haste, or just full vers->mastery and zugzug

[leaden lynx]

ranked shuffle bgs?

[rotund trellis]

yes

[leaden lynx]

what is ranked shuffle bg

[rotund trellis]

I am on my healer, people, at least on ally side, are so bad. everyone is toxic

oh an MM hunters are broken AF, get ready for that

[elfin surge]

Battleground blitz brawl is next expansions solo queue rbg mode.

[rotund trellis]

there's a mage honor level 899 here LOL

[frank knoll]

I saw someone who was 1400 honor level

The highest in the world is 3k something

[rotund trellis]

jesus get a life

[elfin surge]

im honor level 883 😦

[frank knoll]

Im a measly 247:(

[frank knoll]

The only rating that matters

[rotund trellis]

I WISH LOL

[elfin surge]

the fuck

why would he think that

did u steal my mog

[rotund trellis]

I posted this already, it happened last year. I was just doing some decent damage in 3s. Guy saw my realm, and blessed mw with the best compliment i have ever received

[elfin surge]

gaming

[rotund trellis]

🤣

[frank knoll]

“No I’m not gay”

[rotund trellis]

hah

[green sequoia]

Those are the people who bugged it back in legion

Is it still looking like shoulders are the tier piece we won’t use?

[fickle forge]

What are the shoulder stats again?

[green sequoia]

It’s like crit haste or something?

All the other pieces have vers or mast I believe

I think there’s a haste/mast mast/vers haste/vers crit/vers

Could be wrong tho

[heavy sluice]

main crit with secondary haste on shoulders

[wanton vault]

What do u guys think are the stats we will go for.
Wowhead: Vers>Crit=Haste>Mastery
IV: Vers>Haste=Mastery>Crit

[sharp meteor]

Wowhead being dodgy.

[mild thunder]

[limber relic]

preseason is fun ;')

[fickle forge]

Imagine sinking all your time into preseason

[sharp meteor]

I mean there's fuckall else to do so might as well if you enjoy the game

[fickle forge]

Man sunk none of his time into 2s during the season

Sinking it all into 2s now when there's nothing

[sharp meteor]

There was never anything in 2s

[fickle forge]

There was competition

🙏

[sharp meteor]

There's like a single digit amount of people who seem to take 2s competitively

because for one reason or another they just decided 2s was popular due to ease of access

and won't add high end rewards

[mild thunder]

You spelt rdruid wrong

[mild thunder]

2s meta is the most cringe meta on earth… only time it’s ever fun, worthwhile or truly skilful is double dps meta

[mental knoll]

You guys think we'll be able to get the r14 sets with solo rbgs next expac?

[violet fossil]

Most likely

[sharp meteor]

I don't see them removing an incentive from a dying bracket unless they outright kill the bracket.

[fickle forge]

I mean it's always Rdruid meta, but I haven't seen any of the competing people play in the off season

[sharp meteor]

Also not sure why you'd want r14 gear.

[fickle forge]

2s is just hella damp cause 1 dps can't kill shit

[mild thunder]

it's significantly worse this season

well, last season

[fickle forge]

It's honestly the same every season

Always Rdruid meta

Always

[mild thunder]

rdruids are fine if they're cat-weaving and doing cool, skillful shit to succeed

treants have ruined the spec

[fickle forge]

And priest+rogue

[mild thunder]

yea but always rdruid meta is different to how rdruid meta plays currently

they've never had treants before

they used to catweave

if an rdruid works for a win by playing aggro and doing cool shit, that's one thing... they dont do that anymore xD

[worthy fern]

@sharp meteor 2s is always miserable

Especially for war

Even when war is good it’s not fun

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, but it can be a good kind of miserable.

[worthy fern]

For the people making it miserable maybe

[sharp meteor]

Das me.

[worthy fern]

Some people just play the most aids comps and strats and make games go on forever and then still lose

Yea I bet

[sharp meteor]

Me queuing rdruid/blood in about an hour.

[worthy fern]

Gross man

[mental knoll]

I'm a big fan of the warrior horde set. Just never got a chance to use it as a tmog

[sharp meteor]

Well, they could shift them over into blitz, but it wouldn't really make sense to take rewards away from the dying mode unless they decide to can it like they did with 5s

[pine pine]

Tbh I think the solo brawl is DOA as a rated game mode. It's just a worse version of rbgs that are less fun lol

[mental knoll]

I see what you mean but I also am kinda assuming rbgs are just gonna be dead regardless once the solo queue comes into play

Rbgs are already bad enough

[sharp meteor]

There's no shot.

This thing is easily the nail in the coffin for rbgs.

[cyan mauve]

imagine you enter an arena game just to get ended by fat dwarf grandma

[mild thunder]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/incoming-season-3-class-tuning-november-14th-augmentation-nerfs-tier-set-tuning-336075?webhook

LOL

LOL

and 0 pvp-specific tuning... blizz legit doesnt give a fuck

[sharp meteor]

Well, these are pve adjustments.

Should see pvp stuff eventually.

[mild thunder]

it's ok, almost all the top pvp specs got buffed

[mild thunder]

it's been almost 3 months with no pvp tuning btw

potentially longer cba counting

how do they have the wherewithal to not include the resto buffs in pvp but not the ret, uhdk buffs

[frank knoll]

Needed
Ret damage doesn’t scale

[mild thunder]

stfu

im gonna scale my nuts in your mums mouth for that comment

[frank knoll]

I made a good choice maining Ret/Lock this patch

Probably gonna play Demo
The Chad warlock spec

[mild thunder]

uhdk gotten back-to-back buffs btw

spec gonna be busted fr fr ong no cap on the stack

pre sure it's also a top-tier raiding spec and only suffers in m+ (which none of the last fortnight's tuning has addressed )

[pine pine]

Running rbg content with 2 less people and no coms is going to be so terrible. Honestly, RBG players ruin rbgs more than anything else. I've never heard more people dropping the n word since the early COD days lmao

[mild thunder]

it's objectively better than rbgs and will appeal to a much larger playerbase than rbgs ever had

calling it DOA is kinda funny

it'll finally funnel all those cringe ass casual bg mains into a ranked game-mode, will appeal to way more pve-ers and drag most of the non-degen rbg players (like Mud) over to it

[sharp meteor]

It'll probably result in rbgs dying and reduced shuffle participation.

Because healers will have a more relaxed mode to play.

[mild thunder]

oh no! it'll kill the 2 most cringe brackets!!!

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, perish.

[thick reef]

Woyer

• Get fucked lmao

[mild thunder]

so glad they reduced healer trinket for a bracket they're now going to kill

[mild thunder]

no shot you're complaining about an S tier arms spec not getting buffs

actually no shot

[frank knoll]

Yeah it’s gonna kill shuffle

People who want a casual solo queue PvP experience will have more fun in Solo RBGs

Shuffle is not fun

For anyone

[sharp meteor]

Ye, more relaxed format and better healer to dps ratio therefore shorter queues

could really see shuff fall off

[mild thunder]

is this real??????? 😲

[sage raptor]

Yeah dude

I'm so hyped

[noble stream]

One more expansion of SMF not being just a cosmetic option

I just want to be able to use claws without nerfing my damage for no reason

[low cobalt]

lmaooo

[sage raptor]

The only time I even look at smf is when I swap to fury from prot until I get two 2h weapons

[noble stream]

SMF is literally about to become classic content and they still haven't figured this out

[sage raptor]

Which is once a patch

Maybe

maybe

[low cobalt]

what alts do you guys play? any melee class im just like "why not just play warrior", any rangerd class im just like running is dum. somebody help

[mild thunder]

smf is the only way to play fury in classic

[noble stream]

no, because cataclysm classic is coming

WOTLK introduced TG, and cata introduced SMF

[mild thunder]

to stimulate my brain

[mild thunder]

oh nvm, i was thinking SoD

cata "classic" isnt classic tho befr

[noble stream]

sure

[mild thunder]

100% no one will play cata

[low cobalt]

😂

[frank knoll]

Cata was my freshman year of highschool lol

[low cobalt]

what class do u play on the side

[green sequoia]

war is so much fun right now

being so much more geared than others

[noble stream]

all I'm pointing out is that I made my worgen warrior back in cata strictly to play fury with claws

they're remaking cata and I still haven't been able to do so without gimping myself

[mild thunder]

i dont play warrior on the main or the side... brain-melting behavior

arms warrior is the marvel of wow classes... seems fun at first, but when you try and dig deeper you realise it's completely, utterly, horrendously empty and you've missed out on the entirety of hollywood

[low cobalt]

😏

go on

[mild thunder]

classic classes are the foreign films of wow... there's a select group that soy tf out about them and claim they're the greatest in the world, but when you look at them they're just pretentious, bland and overdone

except australian cinema, we the best in the world fr fr

[worthy fern]

Every war plays either rogue, ww, or survival as an alt

[barren bear]

those are the 3 i dont play

[mild thunder]

i feel like enh, dk etc. are more common

[low cobalt]

never played survival. Ww felt floppy i ddin't like it

[barren bear]

dh and dk are my alts

[worthy fern]

I think ww is the most common

[mild thunder]

probs

[frank knoll]

Naw Warlock

[low cobalt]

does destro have to do a lot of pet management

thought about lock

[frank knoll]

Naw

Half the time you run with sac so you don’t even use a pet

[low cobalt]

i see, might give that a try. Doesn't seem like they have too many buttons to press 😂

warrior brain cant handle too much at once i need to be careful

[river walrus]

I confirm, I do play ww monk

[cyan mauve]

the dwarf heritage armor has no business being so cool

[sage raptor]

the shield is the best

[barren bear]

why are so many people still farming blood tokens? it only took a couple hours to geta full set

[green sequoia]

Just for the fun prob. Or multiple characters

[barren bear]

true, forgot alts exist for a moment

[mild thunder]

same reason people farmed at all

boredom

[barren bear]

yah, im just surprised people continue doing it, like within honor opening up itll get replaced within an hour again

[near delta]

Wow players in general and pvpers in particular aren't exactly the smartest lol

[cyan mauve]

what is there to do rn

other than world pvp

[pure hornet]

No but they are the happyest and have the most of fun and that is all that matters. Time enjoied wasted is not wasted time 😂

We may be dumb but we enjoy dumbness like no other :))

[fresh valve]

well spoken

wow pvp is still for top tier shit eaters tho

[river walrus]

Guys, is capping vault this week giving us season 3 conquest gear??

[thin spindle]

is there a new version or equivalent to BattlegroundEnemies that works?

[scarlet flame]

they keep trying with this dogshit but its trash

[vapid tartan]

is it true that we have to buy upgraded wpvp pieces separately for bloody tokens and trophies of strife?

or is it just trophies to upgrade like last ssn

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, gonna have to earn more tokens along with the trophies to buy the upgrade pieces.

[spring pagoda]

Arw we still using infurious helm of veneance?

vengeance*

[sharp meteor]

Not since Crimson.

[spring pagoda]

thanks

[pure hornet]

Witch mog looks better?

[clever ridge]

what is best Talent for arms now

[mild thunder]

no

[fallen solar]

Damn. Ret really sucks on the second duel lol. Used all them long cooldowns in the first duel

That’s what makes it A tier because of the cooldowns

[mild thunder]

nah, it just scales poorly

F tier this season tbh

[fallen solar]

I mean it still hits like a truck doh

[mild thunder]

ik, it's just a skyhold meme

[noble stream]

I skipped the .1 patch so

can someone explain to me why fury uses shockwave now

[tribal wedge]

it gets buff in pvp, stun up to 3 sec. Then arms and fury currently build it

[mild thunder]

because blizz went full retardd and buffed it

everyone else's cc? nerfed
arms cc? buffed

🤷‍♂️

@wheat jay why is my 1min CD stun that's tied to a pet and is dodgeable, parriable etc. the same duration as warrior's aoe stun and 30s CD ranged stun?

[muted surge]

hello team, what is the level 25 build for SoD?

[mild thunder]

hello team, what is the level 85 build for Cataclysm?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[green anchor]

#1

Wrathful is king

[pure hornet]

Ty

[lavish quest]

Warriors need this

[lavish quest]

Warriors need this

[wheat jay]

warriors need to grow some balls

[mild thunder]

warriors need to suck my balls

[hot solstice]

r rogues supposed to hit through pillar?

[lavish quest]

Uh huh... right...

[lavish quest]

Idk, probably. I was able to auto attack on the literal other side of the elysium hold pillars a couple weeks ago

[hot solstice]

something with their extra attack range talent

[limber relic]

I spent like 0 rimes in 2s rn. Ill show u my reflex

[fickle forge]

No shot did you go +450 cr in 0 rimes

[limber relic]

I get 20cr/game

U do the math

2700 mmr

[kind fog]

How far behind is fury compared to arms?

[river walrus]

With full tier set I personally would say it's very close

[lavish quest]

Just go arms, don't look back

[mild thunder]

very

anyone saying it's close doesnt understand why arms is good and fury is bad

[urban skiff]

The same patch also buffed cyclone by incredible amounts tho

[mild thunder]

no it didnt? feral got 1 pvp talent that made cycloning more rewarding by granting ff, but cyclone was never touched for any of the other specs

[lavish quest]

I think he's saying it got effectively buffed because when all the cc got nerfed cyclone was left alone for unknown reasons.

[urban skiff]

exactly this

[mild thunder]

that's not really the same thing

cyclone was effectively nerfed after they gutted the high winds talent a few weeks into 10.2

[lavish quest]

Point remains they're lucky it didn't get reduced when they did that sweep

[mild thunder]

not quite as lucky as shockwave getting buffed for some reason, but ye it was weird

[lavish quest]

Our CC was already trash, so they helped us out

[noble stream]

does annihilator take over with tier?

[worthy fern]

Precog the real culprit

[noble stream]

they already seem pretty even as is

and its more survivable, too

I think it also saves a point on bloodcraze?

[mild thunder]

no

annihilator bad

[noble stream]

why would it be bad?

[mild thunder]

because

i said so, therefore it is

[noble stream]

that's nice, sweetie

[vernal ember]

Hey there. Haven't played since DF release. Is pvp conquest gear viable in pve? What's the max ilvl of conquest gear? Can I transform conquest gear into tier piece with catalyst and use it in pve? I've noticed that no one talks about pvp gear when it comes to gearing for pve. Thanks ❤️

[mild thunder]

:))

tldr; it got nerfed so that you cant spam bloodthirst anymore. you actually have to play annihilator like a real rotation and it's a massive loss in single-target (~10% iirc)

[proud galleon]

Sorry for the crappy screenshot, what addon is this that causes the enemies used offensive buff (and i assume defensive) to appear to the right of the nameplate?

[sharp meteor]

BigDebuffs.

Well, usually. It's the most popular and easiest version.

Plater has an important auras module.

[proud galleon]

Thank you 🙂

[mild thunder]

plater is the most overrated addon of all time

[sharp meteor]

No, it isn't.

[mild thunder]

100%

[sharp meteor]

Weakauras and Plater are beyond insanity.

[mild thunder]

half the addon doesnt even work unless you're willing to scour wago.io for mods to add basic features

[mild thunder]

WA is awesome

but threatplates >>>> plater unless you're a degen pve-er

[sharp meteor]

What about just a degen?

Also I swear keystone players are like 100x worse than pvp players (not including rbgers because they aren't people).

[mild thunder]

the only value plater offers over its competitors is the custom pve nameplate profile stuff

[mild thunder]

how can one man consolidate so many based opinions into one sentence

[sharp meteor]

Going through my keystone arc right now and it's gonna be worse than my tank shuffle one.

[worthy fern]

@vernal ember you can change conq gear to tier I just think it’s much easier to gear through pve for that purpose

[mild thunder]

just dont invite anyone from quel'thalas or ragnaros

legitimately

it's not racist if it's accurate

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I've had them call me a furro then leave after they died to avoidable damage.

[mild thunder]

latam players are not only the most retardedd, chromosome-deficient creatures god ever cursed us with, they are also consistent cunts

[proud galleon]

I will legit refuse an invite from anyone joining from a french server

I've never encountered a good french wow player

[sharp meteor]

I remember being chill with inviting any realm, but no longer, and I'm happier for it.

[mild thunder]

couldve just finished it there tbh

[vernal ember]

ty ❤️

[proud galleon]

I know it's an insta-loss if i have a french person on my team in OW2 as well

It's funny cos in the OWL, weren't the french team the first to get eliminated? LOL

[noble stream]

I'm not seeing this massive loss, they're pretty even

[proud galleon]

I dunno what it is with them just being so bad at games

[noble stream]

but as I said, the question was with tier, which benefits more the annihilator build

[mild thunder]

every time i do it, i regret it... last rag player i invited was a 2500 hpala to a +15 - he used a strength weapon and left after the first pull

after not healing anyone through bursting (he was 440+ ilvl in a 15)

[proud galleon]

Yeah some servers are best to just flat out avoid

[mild thunder]

no it doesnt

[noble stream]

sure it does

[mild thunder]

and yes it does

[mild thunder]

how?

[proud galleon]

The good players in those servers are probably playing solely with friends/guilds

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I thought it was like a meme but I've had nothing but actually miserable experiences so many times that I've just stopped trying to fight it. They're also the only ones who int me in shuffle.

[proud galleon]

pozzodel eternita (?) is another bad one

[noble stream]

bigger percentage of damage from odyn's and more cooldown reduction

[mild thunder]

?

how does annihilator give you more odyns fury damage or more bloodthirsts?

what

wait, what's your rb build

[noble stream]

bleed damage increases

[mild thunder]

you take all this regardless

[noble stream]

and the CD reduction on bloodthirst

[mild thunder]

ffs i never shouldve taken my pins down

[worthy fern]

Some people are just terrible at video games

[mystic prairie]

re: plater, I just wish nameplate addons had a "default" profile that mimics blizzard nameplates and you can configure it all from there

[proud galleon]

I'm just glad I'm not in a region where i get brazillians in my games, apparently they are THE worst players globally

[mild thunder]

@noble stream this has been more-or-less the standard rb fury build since s1 with a few iterations here and there... can swap VC out for massacre, titanic rage for SoS etc. but it's mostly preferential

there's also a very reasonable chance that AM > RA but will have to see whether people actually switch