pvp

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[frosty nexus]

[frank knoll]

This dude must’ve been in full bloody token gear or something

[crimson onyx]

Do we have the BiS craft items anywhere yet?

[worthy fern]

What’s busted in pvp so far

Dh?

[west mural]

so this week is for farming honour?

ms hitting 200k crit on pvp dummy without avatar

sometimes....

[wheat jay]

I hope dh

Imma main it

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay the new build I saw looked nuts

Just constant dam

[wheat jay]

Good

Me like

I havent checked anything yet xD

[elfin surge]

arms war

[worthy fern]

@elfin surge dh arms s tier

[hot solstice]

has anyone crafted something? boots maybe?

[dense herald]

How much is arms busted from 1 to 10

[elfin surge]

yes

[frank knoll]

Destro

[dense herald]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-understand-you-eric-cartman-south-park-season4ep14-s4e14-gif-21552910

[lavish quest]

Don't tell them that. You'll get us nerfed.

[elfin surge]

its already too late man

[lavish quest]

"Arms is D tier. Please boof borst and hamstring damage." ~ Mud 2023.
Fixed it for you

[shy aurora]

Is there annything to do in wow now?

[green sequoia]

Quest line? Get spark quest done for recraft

Bloody token farm for weap next week?

[light granite]

DH damage is stronk, but they're insanely squishy. DH are melting down in the forum rn about it. DH is an easy kill target

we are also melting down inside arena. gonna be a long season for DH

I am now an Arms war so its gg

[elfin surge]

[lavish quest]

Is there a big reason to sweat pvp early on? Isn't mmr like capped or something?

Or do I just full send pve lord

[elfin surge]

rewards

[sharp meteor]

No, not really. Practice/fun.

[lavish quest]

I don't get many of those at perma 1200 D;

[elfin surge]

D;

[lavish quest]

#buffarms
Surely that's the problem

[sharp meteor]

Pick up the shield and break the legs of every arms/fury player.

[lavish quest]

Bad fox, down.
I'll pick up the shield and head into the raid

[thick reef]

They hated him for he hit the magic Oppressor button

[west mural]

when does honor gear come up?

[frank knoll]

Dang I was hearing they were unkillable on the PTR

[sharp meteor]

Tuesday, probably.

[west mural]

so is this just a pure farm honor week? can anything be done with the conquest that was left from last season?

[graceful pasture]

Conquest is gone

[west mural]

also, what's the value of farming bloody tokens apart from offhand upgrade later or 2-4 set transformation. am i missing something?

[thick reef]

You use it for early pieces

[graceful pasture]

It's pretty pointless

You get the pieces you want to upgrade for next week

With the tokens of strife

[frank knoll]

I could see some sweatys farming a whole bloody tokens set just so they can dominate people in BGs this week

[west mural]

hmm, but can't u get bloody token chest and head for example, and then upgrade them next week and then transforming them into pve set piece at tyr hold next week?

[elfin surge]

[thick reef]

You can get 2p from 1600 token+conq week 1

[west mural]

i'd rather save for weapon , no?

[thick reef]

Depends

If you are a gigachad Prot boi like me you don't need 1800

I just need a 1h

+Board

[west mural]

i see they added tophy of strife for 3500 honour

[thick reef]

Tel DHs to roll VDH

[west mural]

as a comeback mechanic if u skip a week of sparks of life quest

[thick reef]

Aka if you ignore that quest

It's such a slog

[west mural]

wich i would rather do since i have 9 classes to choose from and i won't be bothered doing that more than once xD

they need to do away with the bloody token shit, just honor and coquest gear is fair enough for pvp

can't wait for ppl to have legendary axe lolstorming stuff

[thick reef]

Leggo axe will be severely nerfed for pvp

It won't be a factor anymore than Evoker staff was

[urban skiff]

why do we have strife quest but strife was reset?

[west mural]

isn't that for this season's strife?

old season stuff can't go into new season

think apart from honor

[lavish quest]

Is that some filthy prot thing I'm unaware of?

[thick reef]

Yeah

[dense herald]

Will still be better tho

Or well probably

Cuz of the higher ilvl

[thick reef]

+5% more damage per unique player target hitting it, max +25%

Replaces Taunt, refreshed by your attacks

Oppressor is literally "fuck that bastard in particular"

[green sequoia]

So trophy is now buyable?

For wpvp gear upgrade?

[lavish quest]

Have you tried just pressing MS instead?

[lavish quest]

I hear only as a catch up

[green sequoia]

I mean thats good… alts and shit

[thick reef]

If you miss it

[lavish quest]

Good for the back up warriors you mean

[thick reef]

Have you tried hitting SKS, oh wait...

[lavish quest]

Imagine playing something else

[thick reef]

Too soon?

[lavish quest]

[lavish quest]

Ima be real

I hated that button before. I hate it now. Nothings changed lol

[thick reef]

Yeah, but they nerfed it even more lmao

[lavish quest]

If it were up to me, I wouldn't even have rend. Fuck dots

[thick reef]

Fucking Prot War has it better than you

[lavish quest]

Nerf does nothing if I don't use it

[lavish quest]

I don't want it lol

[thick reef]

It's one of your main buttons lmao

[lavish quest]

???

No? No one runs it lol

[thick reef]

[elfin surge]

everyones rerolling arms warrior

[lavish quest]

Am I wrong?

[lavish quest]

Everyone's men now?

[dense herald]

I still havent played the new patch

I hope i can get to play it b4 nerfs

[lavish quest]

This first week only really matters if you care about world content or prepping for pve tbh

[cyan mauve]

chud re roller vs sigma arms warrior since i was 7

[green sequoia]

Getting first spark and such also lol

[thick reef]

That's a big one

Make your first honor pvp item

[green sequoia]

Nah just takes 1 win to get trophy to craft the item as conq wouldnt it?

[thick reef]

Are you really going to take embellish over a weapon?

[green sequoia]

Yea, when you can get the wpvp weapon

[thick reef]

Rather just save for Conq

[green sequoia]

Wait lol

Why would you use conq for embellishment

You get a quest for free trophy’s at the start

And also I would rather get multiple upgrades week 1…… but tier piece, get 1600 use token to get 2pc… get wpvp weapon if able week 1 if not then week 2

But that’s just me maybe lol

[lavish quest]

Don't mind him, he plays prot pvp

[thick reef]

That's literally my point

[rotund trellis]

havent followed any updates in the past 2 months, is it still mastery king?

[thick reef]

You get it when you got Tier+Weapon

[thick reef]

Nah, DN is now king

[rotund trellis]

wtf is DN

[thick reef]

Deez Nuts

GOT EM COACH

[green sequoia]

Still don’t understand but it’s whatever

[rotund trellis]

WTF is Deez Nuts

[near delta]

Generally it's been about equal mastery/haste for the past while. With the set bonus, we're probably gonna lean more toward haste for rend damage.

[lavish quest]

You don't understand. You can get trophies for free from the quest at start of season lad

[thick reef]

You can. But the quest is annoying

[lavish quest]

The quest is hand in the item to a dude...

[thick reef]

Trophies? That's Sparks of Life

[lavish quest]

Wrong trophies m8

Trophies of conquest. For crafting embellishment gear. Without spending conquest. Thus you can get it without sacrificing weapon...

[near delta]

This is the most confusing conversation lmao

[thick reef]

Oh so they added it to a quest, then yeah do that

[low cobalt]

we need a pin summarizing the process lol..

[lavish quest]

It was like that last season... we already did this once

[low cobalt]

yea but peopel are coming back that didn't play last season

cuz of the arms buffs

[lavish quest]

You got an item from purple box and you give it to conq vendor. 2 free trophies for crafting

He played, he's just prot in pvp so he's got no clue what's going on as a regular

[low cobalt]

oh ic, yea idk what trophies are or why we need to craft, never had to do crafting for pvp

is it blacksmithing or engineering or something?

[lavish quest]

Depends on the peice. But yes

[thick reef]

No, I forgot it early in the season

[low cobalt]

yea. need guide plox

[thick reef]

Because I got my shit done and fucked around

[low cobalt]

99% chance people will start joining this discord and ask the same shit over and over, would be easier to just say "check pins"

basically from what ive seen any class that gets s tier buffed people just start flocking that class server 😂

[elfin surge]

where unity?

[urban skiff]

Nobody flocking to warrior. we're always extremely popular

I don't know anyone who doesn't have a warrior alt

[green sequoia]

You literally get it from your first win of anything lol

[thick reef]

Do you know how long since I won my first win last season?

Day 1

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-austin-powers-right-doubt-press-x-to-doubt-gif-27480342

[urban skiff]

do we save bloody tokens or just blow them?

I could buy two weapons already and rip shit up in regular bgs

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor fill me in wit what the fuck is happening with trophys

Im hearing there buyable again lmfao

[green sequoia]

Lol how much farming did you do to be able to buy 2 of them already lol

[near delta]

Blizz screwed up exactly like they did at the beginning of last season lol

[near delta]

Is the wpvp gear even higher than the honor gear before being upgraded

[elfin surge]

i believe honor is higher

[urban skiff]

just regular old playing. One of the WQs gave me 500 tokens

[urban skiff]

wpvp gear is weird, sometimes it has different stat allocations from the stuff you can buy

like the actual wpvp drops might have a 1:2 split between vers and e.g. mastery

[green sequoia]

Wpvp gear with a trophy tho is barely under conq so it’s worth to get a weapon atleast

[urban skiff]

strife / trophy gear can also be catalyzed into tier set

The tactic is to grab a trophy weapon and wait for vault weapon

[rotund trellis]

Cheers.

[cyan mauve]

is race changing off orc a bad idea

[thick reef]

Human is gud

[green sequoia]

Yea I’m shooting for week 1 have 2pc and weapon. But not sure if can get enough trophies to upgrade weapon

Not a true warrior unless tiny gnome

[frank knoll]

How in the world are you going to have 2p and weapon week one?

I guess 1600 week one for emerald token
Weapon from WQ
Buy second tier piece with conquest?

[dense herald]

can anyone link me a build

for arms

[worthy fern]

Like 19” is optimal build

@wheat jay

U there

[wheat jay]

yep

[urban skiff]

I think we will get enough for one weapon?

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay watch blue eyed samurai on Netflix

Fucking badass show

[wheat jay]

ill check

thx

[worthy fern]

Make sure you give it a few episodes cause it just keeps getting better, I’m not even done with it yet

[cyan mauve]

fuh dat

i wanna go tauren

tauren best race

im either gonna faction change to something absolutely stupid like female dwarf

or im gonna go tauren

[green sequoia]

I thought enough for a 1hd but not 2hd wasn’t sure

Same for getting conq. You can get a 1hd in week 1

[green sequoia]

Gnome or kul tiran are best races and no one can change my mind

[cyan mauve]

gnome would be fine if armor didnt look so bad on it

im gonna go fat dwarf woman

and name it like helga or bertha

[teal adder]

is there a new arms build for the season going around?

[cyan mauve]

yeah its called FAAFO

[teal adder]

wats that

[restive cobalt]

I ended the season with 2.4 in solo and my first HERO Lfg!!!

Mud couldn't stop me 🤣

[low cobalt]

😂 😂 😂

[pale minnow]

Mountain thane sounds the worst, rather take glad there

[sage raptor]

Nah mountain thane is prot stuff

slayer is dum

[worthy fern]

Slayer is good

Other two are dumb

Should 100 percent have been blade master though

Blade master, gladiator, warlord or something like that

[quaint tree]

Warcrimer

[worthy fern]

That would be s tier for sure

[elfin surge]

HUGE

grats bro

[cyan mauve]

holy MS is hitting so hard

[fickle forge]

@mild thunder

[mild thunder]

buff arms fr fr ong no cap

[fickle forge]

Shadow priests taking 15% less dmg as well

[sharp meteor]

Oh.

Well, I'm always happy to see Warrior playrate up.

[mild thunder]

fr it needs to go from most-played spec to mostest-played spec everer

[fickle forge]

It's so wrong lmao

I didn't have battlefield commander buff on him

And this warr is 21% mastery when it could have been 40% mastery

[mild thunder]

hopefully they do tuning in at least 1-2 weeks

[green sequoia]

in a group you get bloody tokens quick?

[heady olive]

anything worth doing at moment? or just buy honor gear next week?

[mild thunder]

this week is chill grinding, no point gearing or anything really

like, grind for mounts and stuff

nothing is mandatory

[sharp meteor]

For pvp power? Not really.

[heady olive]

did they have the artisan consortium in ptr? will be get free trophy of conquest like last time?

[sharp meteor]

You can nolife bloody tokens for no reason ig

[pale minnow]

I hope so too, big nerfs for hunters, buffs to arms ms should hit base 200k non crit, execute should execute no matter how much hp or if it's sudden death, surv hunter should lose all traps and receive 1 % buff on pet dmg that's it, maybe the turtle to be no cd because they don't press it anyways.

[mild thunder]

everyone grinding it is gonna be pissed when honor gear drops lol

[heady olive]

yeah my mates on about this, i dont think i can be arsed

[sharp meteor]

Ya burning themselves out before the season starts lmfao

[mild thunder]

yep lmao. im just grinding some renown because i love mount-farming and stuff

[sharp meteor]

I think I got my spark a half hour into the new zone, just do the world quest for 400-750 bloody tokens, and the spark quest to upgrade your bloody token piece if you care about minmaxing early season

Probs like 2 hours of stuff tops this first week

[mild thunder]

you dont even need to do sparks

doesnt give any trophies

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it do.

[mild thunder]

didnt for me

[sharp meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-dance-dancing-frog-gif-15428202

[mild thunder]

or anyone else ik

show pic

or cap

[sharp meteor]

That's what you get for doing it early, chump.

Lemme log the DK real quick.

[restive cobalt]

@elfin surge thanks man, super happy to get it after playing off and on since vanilla

[heady olive]

yeah mine doesn't show strife as reward

[mild thunder]

?

nah photoshop

[sharp meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/crunchy-luna-cat-crunch-cat-blinking-close-up-gif-26931104

[mild thunder]

oh shit wtf

i got it too

pog

[sharp meteor]

You doubted me and had them yourself.

C'mere. 🗞️

[mild thunder]

bro tryna call me a nerd

[heady olive]

is honor resetting?

[wheat jay]

Cuz you are a nerd

[mild thunder]

surely they just get removed on reset tho @sharp meteor

[wheat jay]

Btw Galachad, dh mad fun now

At least in pve

[mild thunder]

otherwise we can buy weapon week1

[mild thunder]

yea but your healer aint gonna play with you

[sharp meteor]

No.

[sharp meteor]

Overtuned things are often fun.

DH looking nutto, though.

[mild thunder]

im very happy on my sv and feral

[heady olive]

class thought not, someone doubted me earlier

[wheat jay]

I got 0 gear soooooo ye

Its just fun to do dmg with it

[near delta]

Leave it to wow peeps to find a find a grind to do.

[wheat jay]

There's so much going on, so many buffs, modifiers, buttons to press

For dmg

Cuz rest is braindead xD

[near delta]

DH/DK probably gonna be gross again

[mild thunder]

find unnecessary grind that doesnt affect player power
get burnt out
cry on forums about wow grind

[mild thunder]

like what

[near delta]

I did the korthia bs for sockets and wanted to die

[wheat jay]

Inertia

[frank knoll]

Sweatys want a full Bloody token set so they can farm BGs for a week

[wheat jay]

Immo aura increases dmg done of fel rush, fel rush gives you like 4s dmg buff

[frank knoll]

There’s an MM hunter in my guild who is doing this
He is disabled irl and plays 16 hours a day

[near delta]

How big are the survivability changes?

[frank knoll]

Like a Boogie2988 kinda guy

[wet pollen]

Having nether is nice but aside from that feels squishier with fodder gone

[wheat jay]

Havent checked it in arena yet

So can't say about that

Id say overall will be the same

15% hp shield on blade dance is big i guess

[wet pollen]

Yeah but giving up mortal strike for that ain’t the best idea

[wheat jay]

If i play with something that provides ms then its the best idea

Like warrior

[wet pollen]

Well yeah lol

[wheat jay]

Which is what I'll be doing

Imma play with this absolute unit of a chad @fickle forge

[green sequoia]

lol is it worth even farming bloody token gear?

[glass orchid]

not worth it

playing arena before last 2 month of the season is trolling anyway

so disinflated you'd be stuck at 1800

[mild thunder]

No

Just buy honor gear next week

[fickle forge]

KFC Chads are rolling out

[mild thunder]

You’re gonna play warr/dh

Kfc is dead

[green sequoia]

thas what i thought

[green sequoia]

not really lol.... most glads ive gotten are because getting out and riding the higher mmr groups haha

early season has always seemed easier imho

[sharp meteor]

Uhhh, if you wanna queuefiend this week yeah.

if you chillin then you get better gear for free in a week

[wheat jay]

Its never dead

[green sequoia]

lol queuefiend

[wheat jay]

I'll just play two characters

Easy

Hunter and petless hunter

[mild thunder]

Hunter and retardded little brother hunter

[wheat jay]

Hunter and the pet

One has issues and talks to animals

[sharp meteor]

I apply healing reduction, charge when it's up and my target is out of range and stun every 30 seconds

[wheat jay]

Other has issues and talks to his inner self

[sharp meteor]

I'm basically a mogged felguard

[fallen estuary]

yea buy honor but if you have items you rlly need for stats you can always pick em up from BT vendor

[mild thunder]

Average arms main probably as smart as felguard too

[low cobalt]

lol

[near delta]

Say what you want about felguard but bro has crazy uptime.

[fickle forge]

Bro I Executed a warrior for 175k @mild thunder

The plate class

[mild thunder]

Probably traded mobility better than most arms warriors

Felguards aren’t in here complaining about being kited

[near delta]

Tbf, casters are fucking zooming rn

Try to stick to an arcane challenge

[mild thunder]

So are pretty much every melee

[near delta]

Or ele

[mild thunder]

One caster that’s almost never played with a super high skill-cap

Fake problem

If you’re getting kited by ele as an arms warrior you’re bad no cap

[near delta]

You say that but I see them all the time in 2s with some rando healer

[mild thunder]

2s

[near delta]

The good ones are surprisingly hard while the bad ones are cake

[mild thunder]

Idk complaining about getting kited or anything based on 2s is cringe

It’s an unbalanced bracket

Always has been

Always will be

Get good or play a real bracket

[fickle forge]

I don't see warr not getting nerfed like a week into the season at most

[mild thunder]

arms, ww, mm, sub, ret, aug will all need some serious tuning

[sharp meteor]

Arms just hitting really hard?

[mild thunder]

not just the raw damage, being unkillable and having near-100% uptime while making your whole team unkillable on top

it's literally just melee augvoker

[sharp meteor]

Another stressful season of Survival?

[mild thunder]

yep

might play bm or mm if they stay overtuned, but id rather not

[sharp meteor]

Once more into the frey.

Surv seems fun.

[mild thunder]

look, if arms was actually complex and using all these tools and doing great damage and being unkillable and all that was actually an effort, id care less

but the braindead:overpowered ratio is way too generous

[sharp meteor]

As it often is.

[mild thunder]

it's kinda why i dont give a fuck about arcane being strong or having insane mobility... two people in NA play that spec properly

so if it's op, who cares people are actually working for it

doesnt help when arms players only play the most degen ret/warr comp in 3s

[fickle forge]

Crazy hard

Unhealable

[sharp meteor]

Interesting.

[mild thunder]

fox bouta become an arms main again

it's ok we queue kfc then

[near delta]

Yeah absolutely those changes should have been pve only lol

[sharp meteor]

I'm excited for other people to play it.

[mild thunder]

what're you playing for 10.2?

[cyan mauve]

does ignore pain not proc overpower anymore?

[sharp meteor]

It does not.

[sharp meteor]

I'm still kind of on the fence.

Although if every shuffle is warr and hunter I know what I'm playing again, at least for a bit.

[mild thunder]

what's on the consideration list? besides that 1 spec...

[frank knoll]

I was going to dust off my lock but idk if that’s a good idea when warrior is so OP

[sharp meteor]

Look, if the opportunity presents itself I'm going in.

[frank knoll]

Don’t really wanna play warrior though, elite set looks booty and it’s a bit stale

[mild thunder]

imo it's 100% bait to base anything on current power levels

pick something that's fun and if you care about meta just be loosely ready to pay attention when the tuning starts coming in a week or two into the season

[frank knoll]

I’m not a very good lock anymore also

[mild thunder]

sounds like a good reason to play it

[frank knoll]

But yes Lock is very fun to me

Also gonna play Ret

How long does the “guardians of the dream” campaign take?

[mild thunder]

like

2 hours

it's very short, but there's also no reason to do it beyond renown grinding for mounts etc.

or augment rune if you're a tryhard pve-er

[frank knoll]

I just wanna do it to unlock the zone and stuff

[mild thunder]

oh ye you unlock the zone very quickly into the campaign

[cyan mauve]

what the frick

why they do that

my uptime feels different

[sharp meteor]

I don't actually know, but they said ignore pain is no longer gonna interact with tactician.

Maybe they don't like it being a "dps button".

[cyan mauve]

bru

yeah i can definitely feel the difference

atleast my mortal strike is deleting

[near delta]

Yeah it was a pve change

I really miss having an off global rage spender that also procs but nbd with how insane our rage generation is atm.

[crystal laurel]

thinking of coming back, is the pvp gear still capped?

[near delta]

What do you mean?

[crystal laurel]

i remember that you will only need certain pvp gear tier and then nothing else

idk if that was back in january though

for retail

[near delta]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean but yeah it's exactly the same

[crystal laurel]

ok

[mild thunder]

because spamming a defensive for an offensive gain is bad design

their fix was also bad design

but it's an incredibly minor nerf... arms was still spammy and filled every gcd before 10.0.5, and it'll continue doing it now

actually it's kinda funny that the ignore pain nerf has outed so many rerollers that only played arms after it became overpowered in 10.0.5 @sharp meteor

[near delta]

I mean using ignore pain to proc tactician goes back to SL?

It was just gone at the start of 10.0

[mild thunder]

arms didnt have ignore pain for start of DF

[near delta]

Yeah

[mild thunder]

my point being that you can tell all the people that only started playing arms again post-10.0.5 because they think it's a big deal

[tropic hatch]

is MS still 25% like it was in SL?

[mild thunder]

yes

[cyan mauve]

how about you go design some bitches

[fast meteor]

coming back from hiatus whats the spec to run nowdays in pvp?

[mild thunder]

arms

[knotty atlas]

Since you guys are obviously too polite to ask - do you need anything pinned with 10.2?

[wheat jay]

Not yet

[thick reef]

What stats for pvp arms in 10.2? vers > crit?

[mild thunder]

nothing has really changed

[mild thunder]

[knotty atlas]

Aight.

What stats for pvp Prot tho?

[mild thunder]

multi-strike and resilience

[knotty atlas]

And in seriousness?

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor

i havent the slightest clue... probably vers mastery

[thick reef]

nothing in the pins apart from a 2022 link to icy veins

[knotty atlas]

It was pinned then - the guides are 10.2

[mild thunder]

stat prio is pre much same for arms as it was in 2022 anyway

[knotty atlas]

Now we know.

[mild thunder]

when're you streaming prot arenas?

[knotty atlas]

Already am.

Wait, doesn't SB damage modifier apply to SS in PvP?

[idle falcon]

GALACHAAAAAAD

[mild thunder]

ive been missing out

[idle falcon]

Whats up

[mild thunder]

SB? SS?

[idle falcon]

@mild thunder i missed u

[mild thunder]

prot acronyms

[knotty atlas]

Shield Block

Shield Slam

[mild thunder]

yoyo

[idle falcon]

Yoyo

1800 first week boiz?

[mild thunder]

oh uhhh, i have no clue but https://drustvar.com/pvp-spells is a database of all pvp modifiers

prot got a lot of pvp nerfs in s1 thanks to troma

[knotty atlas]

[thick reef]

ugh damn, crit not top stat so i cant buy that nice bloody token sword :<

[knotty atlas]

Thank you for the link tho.

Who wants to be my 2v2 partner? We can play prot + fury/arms.

[mild thunder]

you wouldnt want to anyway

ilvl > stats

[mild thunder]

[knotty atlas]

Is 1.8k rating a lot?
What's the "top end" rating?

[mild thunder]

depends on the point in the season and your personal goals

anything is top-rating if it's what you want

[knotty atlas]

So..last season top in 2v2 was 2.8k

So 1.8 should be w/e chill.

[mild thunder]

1800 is basically the ksm equivalent for pvp

[knotty atlas]

Ooo.

Is that some mog breakpoint?

[mild thunder]

it's cool and it gives a great reward, but it's also just the beginning

[mild thunder]

elite sets at 1800 ye

[knotty atlas]

Nice.

Then it should be achievable as prot.

Even for me.

[wheat jay]

As prot your job is to be an annoyance

[mild thunder]

time to watch some swifty prot gaming

[knotty atlas]

Can't i just nuke someone with a Outburst proc?:(

[wheat jay]

You might

But i wouldn't say its your win condition

Do cc, do roots, do annoying dmg

[mild thunder]

idek what you would play with in 2s

[knotty atlas]

Think my biggest issue is that i can't recognize when opponents pop CD's and just burst me down.

Gotta know what other classes do first.

[knotty atlas]

🤷
Apparently with some healer.

THat sounds like a horribly dragged out game tho.

Like TBC Disc or Resto + Hunter with Viper Sting.

[mild thunder]

ye cant really play with another dps cause you cant off-heal

ig you could maybe do double dps with a feral or ret or something but it's probably not as good

just less cringe

[knotty atlas]

Well, should be good enough to get started and hopefully get to 1.8k.

[mild thunder]

1800 is achievable on anything

[knotty atlas]

PvP season also starts next week?

[wheat jay]

Or just play solo shuffle on arms or fury?

Ye

[knotty atlas]

I'm more or less prot one trick.

[wheat jay]

Solo shuffle prot it is then

[mild thunder]

tbf you can log onto arms and become a pro, it's that easy

do you have two fingers?

if so, you can get 1800

[knotty atlas]

Nice.

[wheat jay]

Mortal strike, overpower

[knotty atlas]

I did do some 2v2 some time ago as Fury with Mandl..he was a Havoc DH.
Was just told "Just pop CD's, doesn't matter if you die, i'll solo".

[wheat jay]

Done

Ye

Basically pvp

[mild thunder]

i mean, there's no other way to play dh/fury 2s tbf

either nuke the opener or lose

[knotty atlas]

Think it was some patch when DH was broken in PvP.

Cause he legit did 2v1

Most of the time.

😂

[mild thunder]

might've been bfa ig, or start of DF

[knotty atlas]

Je, okay, it was somewhere in 2020.

😂

Just checked DM's.

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay will carry you on his dh

[knotty atlas]

Prot + DH valid combo

Lets go.

I'll intervene Reflect everything.

[mild thunder]

what's the prot tier set?

isnt it something bleed based

[knotty atlas]

Shield Slam consumes 40% of remaining Deep Wounds / Rend and 100% of Thunderous Roar for instant damage.

When a proc occures.

It can be more or less planned tho since IP has ~90% chance to proc the tier set while the remaining abilities have ~15%.

[mild thunder]

seems op

basically skullsplitter

[knotty atlas]

Outburst + that would be nice.

Gonna gamble it.

[mild thunder]

doesnt that hardcore suck in keys tho?

entirely single-target

[knotty atlas]

THERE's MORE.

I just diddn't think it was relevant to PvP, idk.

When a proc occurs, you reset the CD of Thunder Clap and reduce the CD of Thunderous Roar by 3s.

[mild thunder]

3s CDR kinda cracked if it procs often

[knotty atlas]

Oh, and it's also a 3% DR for each bleed you consume.

Why am i typing

.....

Maybe if you can time it with Outburst it'll slap.

Since the proc itself is treated as a bleed.

So should (maybe) ignore armor in PvP.

[mild thunder]

yea seems pretty good

warr got great tier sets this season on every spec

wack

[wheat jay]

Inb4 prot is best warr spec in arena lol

[knotty atlas]

No one likes tanks in PvP from what i've gathered, so even if it were, no one would play it.

[mild thunder]

true and real

everyone just wants gladiator stance back from wod

[wheat jay]

do you care?

[knotty atlas]

I personally would play prot.

Up to 1.8k.

And then come here to brag.

[wheat jay]

do it then

[knotty atlas]

I'm in the information gathering phase.

Next is actually doing pvp and figuring out what other classes do.

Once that all is done, we smack.

[wheat jay]

they will kill you

basically

[knotty atlas]

No doubt.

[mild thunder]

🧠

you should write for skill-capped

[wheat jay]

vtw

btw

i think sth is bugged with dh and immmo aura

there's 5

[knotty atlas]

Do they have separate spell ID's?

[sage raptor]

There's a lot of tanks on ladder so idk.

[wheat jay]

ill check in a sec

[knotty atlas]

Je, it just seems to be what i've gathered from my limited visits to the #pvp channel.

[sage raptor]

Yes pvp channels in discords are very anti tank but tbf I get it

[wheat jay]

ye diff ID

[knotty atlas]

Then intended.

[wheat jay]

gotta use 3 or more to see properly

cuz i used 2, and there's 2 stacks now

[sage raptor]

Ew dh stuff

Later nerds

Tanks>havoc

[knotty atlas]

Explain? 👀

Why do people dislike tanks in pvp?

[sage raptor]

Because they slow games down

[mild thunder]

just not fun to verse

stall the game out

[mild thunder]

[knotty atlas]

Mm, okay.

[mild thunder]

tbf arms basically operates like a tank in pvp anyway and everyone here loves that

[sage raptor]

Though once in a blue moon some random ass tank does dps level of damage

Maybe you'll get lucky

[wheat jay]

ok diff ids xD

[mild thunder]

SL convoke guardian

where they procced full moon kekw

[sage raptor]

In hindsight it was an insane expansion in pvp

Unholy/prot warr almost every 2s match when rextroy put out that video

[sage raptor]

Maybe you should try that comp.

I'm sure you have an unholy friend

[mild thunder]

arent you a dk main @sage raptor ?

[sage raptor]

Outlaw now

I don't like new unholy

[mild thunder]

which part of the new unholy? isnt there like 3 themes conflicting with each other

festering wounds burst
disease rot
pet galore

[knotty atlas]

Unironically, no. 😂

Our whole guild has 1 DK.

And he doesn't pvp.

[sage raptor]

Rip

[sage raptor]

Multiple small things that culminated

Does insane dmg right now though

[mild thunder]

ye probs gonna be very strong but i get finding it boring

im not a fan of festering wounds at all

[sage raptor]

I found it funny how they put a lot of the damage into wounds and then removed raise abomination. Which applies wounds and dots.

[knotty atlas]

I have a Disc in the guild who PvP's tho - maybe we can 2v2 and bore people to death or to leave

Or something.

[sage raptor]

Queuing as tank/healer is an easy way to climb early ladder because people just leave.

[knotty atlas]

I'd imagine the healer has to be more or less decent tho?

Since 99% of the games i get CC'ed and they get tunneled?

[sage raptor]

Yeah like a MW or rdudu

[mild thunder]

ye wounds is just the least engaging mechanic in the game, so bland

also not really thematic imo

[sage raptor]

I think it's thematic personally but it's implemented in a way that wouldn't make it to live if it were developed today.

Old combo points? Why?

Sure you can spread it but why even have that as a talent in the first place?

[mild thunder]

idk i feel like unholy - THE disease spec - should probably have more dot stuff to do than apply and forget

[sage raptor]

And my god. Doomburst? Yeah I LOVE deathcoil popping my wounds so I can press festering strike more often.

[mild thunder]

you're not snapshotting, you're not doing any cool stuff to spread them, they dont interact with your kit etc... kinda lame

[sage raptor]

Frost and Blood have more wound interaction

Disease*

Got heated for a second lol

[mild thunder]

bring back necrotic plague and build uhdk around it

[sage raptor]

I'm hoping 11.0 brings something disease unholy players as well as necromancy unholy players.

There's potential but you know blizzard

[mild thunder]

well the weird part is unholy is trying to fit 3 playstyles in 1 spec - festering wounds, pets and diseases - but there's only room for 2 of them to be expanded upon via hero trees

[sage raptor]

Bye wounds

How rogue got a talent revamp/qol changes before dk is beyond me

[mild thunder]

bruh

dont even get me started

take a look at the survival tree and tell me how rogue got revamped first

[sage raptor]

Bro I was JUST playing my surv hunter

That shit is so ass

[mild thunder]

the spec tree is a meme

gonna be running 1 build for 99% of content

[sage raptor]

All those talent points and using them in the same 32 spots

Rogues and DHs should be thankful they have a dev that talks to them

I'd be thankful if I wasn't forced into shadowdance

[mild thunder]

all 3 rogue specs dining like it's thanksgiving dinner this season

[sage raptor]

I love this new Killing Spree though. Get me out of roots, scale with haste, delay damage, and do big damage? Sign me up.

[mild thunder]

outlaw gonna be op in pvp i already see it

very strong burst with new BtE talents

[sage raptor]

I will riot

[mild thunder]

even tankier than it was before

no shot

[mild thunder]

@knotty atlas

[sage raptor]

I guess we really don't lmao

[knotty atlas]

Valid.

[mild thunder]

guess we saying kill yourselff now in a video game

[sage raptor]

I guess so

But that pistol shot talent for the extra range and 5% dr is hella nice

[knotty atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/mansi-creative-khichdi-mansi-majithia-gif-20040378

[sage raptor]

Killing Spree

[knotty atlas]

[sage raptor]

:)

[mild thunder]

fixed

[knotty atlas]

[mild thunder]

the BtE/dipatch thing during stealth is wack

[sage raptor]

It's stupid ngl

[mild thunder]

less wacka fter dreadblades was deleted but still cool

[sage raptor]

Bro

I stg

The first ptr patch had the best iteration of outlaw ever

It felt so fun and fluid

And then the fire nation attacked and nerfed HO and removed DB

Not even the damage was nerfed but how it functioned mechanically

[frosty nexus]

holy fuuuuuuuuck

slam hits harder than rend now

insane

[mild thunder]

harder than the entirety of rend? i doubt it

[wheat jay]

Why would you press any of them?

Hello!?

Overpower, ms, hamstring, thunder clap, execute

Done

That's your whole rotation

[faint pumice]

Will honor be nullified next week? Or I will be able to buy the whole honor set for my 15k honor points

[bronze crystal]

whats arms rotation

[simple anvil]

i think honor doesnt reset

so if u cap i think ur gucci?

[faint pumice]

I’ve read other people’s comments, so yeah, it doesn’t reset

[mild thunder]

priority list is:
execute > mortal strike > maintain rend > overpower

press colossus smash on cooldown, sweeping strikes when hitting 2+ targets

replace rend with thunder clap if running blood and thunder

press ignore pain on cooldown as long as it wont block your next mortal strike

[bronze crystal]

Ok thankyou

whos a good warrior to watch for a any tips

[mild thunder]

mud

magnusz

bajheera

joefernandes

[crystal harbor]

So like.. does pvp item level engage when in any pvp combat?

Or is it literally just arena/bg?

[elfin surge]

who?

[shy aurora]

Also seifcham, scardrex, tay, dox, Exzistance , djrio ,larosw etc

[elfin surge]

ttv dj rio

[mild thunder]

yea

nah

laros W tho fr fr

he's an arms main unlike @elfin surge the fury degenerate

[mild thunder]

yes

[elfin surge]

post bench idiot

lets see who the real arms main is

[wheat jay]

Mud

We all know you dont want that bench check

[scarlet barn]

Post bench

[wheat jay]

85

[frank knoll]

What’s Muds bench

[magic wing]

40kg

[cyan mauve]

you wanna go band 4 band on bench rn

[river walrus]

Do you guys know if blizzard will put a MMR and cr cap this season like they did last season? Or are they gonna inflate from start?

[cyan mauve]

loser has to send twerk video

if you’re not playing a fat kul tiran or dwarf woman you’re not allowed to play arms in 10.2 btw

[frank knoll]

It’s funny when people flex about their bench but can’t run a mile in under 7 minutes

Or do a set of burpees

[cyan mauve]

everything depends on your goals

if you’re strength training then im sure your BSD is more important than running a fast mile

if general fitness is your focus then yea

how much you bench doesn’t really matter at all unless you’re competing or something

minimum everyone should be able to bench their bodyweight

[frank knoll]

Yeah if you’re not a competitive powerlifter or something there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be doing hard cardio and slow steady state cardio at least a couple sessions a week

Besides being a massive pussy who’s scared of doing something uncomfortable

[warm portal]

That describes probably like 80-90% of the population. Myself included

[frank knoll]

I used to be like that too

Now if I really don’t want to train or do something. I make myself do it even harder

[cyan mauve]

idk about hard cardio but 20 minutes of stairs daily at like moderate difficulty is pretty sufficient

skinny lads might not want to do cardio

[worthy fern]

@frank knoll running is gross

[frank knoll]

No

[worthy fern]

Bad for knees

Don’t goggins me

No interest in looking like a marathon runner

[frank knoll]

Skill issue

[frank knoll]

I did that then noticed I was getting comfortable so put on a 50lb ruck

[worthy fern]

Honestly if I could be big and run fast that would be cool but it’s really hard to cover all bases without being a super human

Or dedicated way more Tim than I have to the gym

[frank knoll]

I gave up being bigger to be leaner and faster

I was at one point 215lb repping three plates on bench for sets of 3

[worthy fern]

I’m not fat at all and I’m pretty big I just can’t get the mental energy after lifting to run

[frank knoll]

Now I’m 180ish, bench around 275 for reps and can run a mile in 6 mins

[worthy fern]

That’s really good

I don’t powerlift either

More Bb style

Now days

I’m older now and get injured whenever I start leaning in a pl direction

[frank knoll]

I quit powerlifting when I realized I would have to do drugs to be competitive even in tested Feds

[worthy fern]

Ehhhh

[frank knoll]

Also yeah I’m older now too, 30

[worthy fern]

32 here

[frank knoll]

I refuse to do PEDs

[worthy fern]

I started trt earlier this year

[frank knoll]

Since you say TRT I assume you had a doctor and proper blood work

[worthy fern]

Yes

Actual trt

Keeps me around the higher end of normal range of test

[frank knoll]

Yeah i guess if I start feeling shitty I will look into it

[elfin surge]

oh im sorry i thought this was the world of warcraft warrior pvp channel?

[worthy fern]

You started it you fuck

[frank knoll]

I mean like PEDs, like buying tren or test online to compete in a sport you have to pay to participate in

[worthy fern]

@frank knoll I was just feeling really tired and gym was feeling like ass so I went and got tested and it was like 320 or something like that

[frank knoll]

I understand why like a Lebron James or w/e would do it

[worthy fern]

Which was low enough for me to opt in

[frank knoll]

Yeah I get that
Medical necessity

You guys think Bahjeera is natty?

[worthy fern]

Yes

He looks natty lol

Why you think he competes in these random off brand shows

[frank knoll]

Yeah
He looks really good for a natty then , has that Bronze Age look

[worthy fern]

He’s really good at getting lean

But I would bet like a lot of money he’s natty

You can tell in off season especially he just looks like a big dude, no crazy capped delts and traps

He’s strong but not crazy

[frank knoll]

Yeah
His lifts make sense for someone his size

[worthy fern]

Right

What you think about sonii

[frank knoll]

Lol no way

He’s bigger than like Jonskywalker who is a well documented PED user

[worthy fern]

Idk

He’s def suspect

[worthy fern]

Look at the pic him and baj posted together form blizzcon

[frank knoll]

Bruh

[elfin surge]

@tribal holly @knotty atlas gm 👀

[worthy fern]

He looks not natty there

But natty in other pics

[magic wing]

Baj looking small

Looked better bulking with beard

[worthy fern]

@elfin surge quit snitching

[frank knoll]

Baj does look weird with the mustache

[elfin surge]

saying good morning to my favorite skyhold moderators

[knotty atlas]

Hello.

[frank knoll]

Mud snitching isn’t going to make you SF

[worthy fern]

He looks natty here

[frank knoll]

It’s the shoulders and traps for me that are sus

And the vascularity
Idk maybe he just has god tier genetics and discipline

[dawn niche]

IS fury haste vers or mast vers for pvp?

[worthy fern]

Def has the discipline

Dude was eating carrots on stream last night

Then bone broth

Psychopath snacks

[frank knoll]

Idk I eat raw broccoli and carrots at work all day

[frank knoll]

Mastery

[worthy fern]

Also some guys I’ve seen him lifting with are 100 percent not natty so that’s sus too

[frank knoll]

Like bruh

[worthy fern]

Yea idk lol

Could go either way

Maybe off cycle rn

[frank knoll]

Compare him to this guy

Who’s been on drugs for like a decade

And is open about it

[worthy fern]

Tbf if that guy ever did anything other than he really lean then he would prob be alto bigger

He’s never not sub 10 percent

[frank knoll]

Yeah he’s all about aesthetic not being huge

[worthy fern]

Got that fight club look

Scrolling through his IG I would bet money he’s natty

Just decent genetics and lean

And tan

[latent hazel]

natty?

[light granite]

the long haird guy on the right is not natural

im on trt now, but used to flat abuse steroids. that guy is on 100%. Baj is def natural

also pumped pics in the gym with good lighting can be deceiving

[sharp meteor]

Anything other than crit has potential; mastery allows for more burst via the ap you get (bigger sonic boom shockwaves, shield charges, outburst shield slams, executes) whereas haste just keeps things flowing smoothly. I just played haste/vers with a bit of mastery and thunderous roar every game.

I probably would've won more caster lobbies if I played vers/mastery with big shockwave and/or spear but it just wasn't as fun for me. Also would've been mega overkill I guess.

[whole tulip]

When is battlefield commander better to use? Like into what comps?

[worthy fern]

@light granite I could show some pics of myself that look very un natty from years ago when I was 100 percent natty and show pics now when I’m on trt where I actually look natty

[shy aurora]

Def on roids

Everyone from NA = roids

[knotty atlas]

Throw a build at me that i can use and jump into 2v2.

[wheat jay]

Id say hurricane is kinda strong now

Or annihilator

[sharp meteor]

BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIEBAAAASSCJSk0SaJJp1QEiAJClkENAkE0QSEiARCAAAAAAAQAApoBAC

Default build I'll play, but in 2s with new talents probably a decent range of stuff to potentially shift around.

I need to like an actual bit of a writeup as to situational stuff because prot in 2s in particular is gonna have to shift some stuff around to extert relevant damage into non-physical teams.

Lot of your power is in bodyguarding a teammate

[knotty atlas]

Aight

TIme to PvP.

[wheat jay]

We asked for pvp SF we got pvp Val'kyr instead

EZ WIN

[knotty atlas]

"Out of date".

[wheat jay]

Lmao rip

[knotty atlas]

Naa, we got this.

Queue for solo.

[sharp meteor]

Oh wierd. I'll try to get an in-game one in a sec.

[knotty atlas]

Naa, i got it already more or less.

I would have imagined you'd take Spell BLock vs casters tho.

Oh, wtf, it's 3v3

How can i queue solo for 2v2.

[warm portal]

Skirmish

[knotty atlas]

That's not rated tho, no?

[warm portal]

Nope

[knotty atlas]

Boring.

[sharp meteor]

You do.

[worthy fern]

Mans wants to queue prot 2s

[sharp meteor]

Hmm. I could see it being okay with a fw.

Bodyguard them up and run over any physical team.

[cyan mauve]

baby

[cyan mauve]

soni is really good at taking pictures, i’d bet he was messing with some light test in the 2016 era but i’d bet he’s just cruising right now and doesn’t plan to get on a cycle again

[knotty atlas]

Man

I'm chillin.

[frank knoll]

If you wanna destroy your endocrine system and die of a heart attack for no reason be my guest

[frank knoll]

Still not natty

[cyan mauve]

shoulders and traps are often a strong point on dudes because of how receptive they are to growth, people love to say capped delts are a sign of peds but they’re either a boomer or 12, capped delts is just being lean with a little muscle

[cyan mauve]

i was joking but also steroids aren’t going to kill you unless you’re taking grams of shit and not monitoring your blood

[frank knoll]

If you’re on PEDs(not TRT) and you aren’t a pro athlete you’re lazy and stupid
That’s my opinion

[frank knoll]

Yeah but still that’s generally the best way to tell in a pic since you dont have stats to go off of

[cyan mauve]

yeah ik just my thoughts on his physique

[cyan mauve]

judging off of a picture is extremly difficult

there’s too many factors

[cyan mauve]

i would say that if you’re taking anything other than like test or anavar and you have no plans of competing then yeah that’s not wise

but it’s rare that you have some idiot taking growth or tren or some full blown cycle and he doesn’t want to go on stage

[frank knoll]

My friend did that

[cyan mauve]

insomnia, acne, rage, heart failure speed run

[frank knoll]

Never lifted a day in his life. Girl broke up with him so he decided to be a body builder

Went in Test E and Tren after talking and getting “advice” from people on Reddit

Crashes and burned 6 months later

He didn’t listen to me when I said it was a bad idea

[cyan mauve]

yeah that’s sad you can’t recover from something like that hormone wise

[frank knoll]

Yeah he’s fat now and has man boobs

Dumbass

[cyan mauve]

like the dude from fight club

bob

taking compounds without a coach is a peefart idea

[frank knoll]

Also his lifts, he went from benching like 135 max to like doing 225 x10

That’s easy to do naturally in 6 months so his training and diet were probably regarded

[cyan mauve]

we are talking about a guy who decided to take tren as a response to being broken up with so yeah my expectations for his diet are low

[frank knoll]

Yeah my man was taking tren to runn Jason Blaha Ice Cream fitness 🤦‍♂️

[knotty atlas]

Is there some specific queue i'm put into if i queue as a tank?

🤔

E.g "If 1 team has a tank the other needs to have one as well" or something?

[scarlet barn]

I believe so?

[frank knoll]

Naw

[scarlet barn]

Or was it just fever dream

[frank knoll]

That only applies to Prot Paladin

[scarlet barn]

Oh yea

That was it

[knotty atlas]

These 10m+ queues are destroying my excitement.

😒

[sharp meteor]

Yes, there's a limot of 1 tank specialization per shuffle with the exception of Paladins who replace healers.

So, as prot, you'll never see Blood, Guardian, other Protection Warriors, etc.

Other than that you're basically just a dps.

[knotty atlas]

. Guess no one's just queueing solo then. 😦

[worthy fern]

@knotty atlas queues always suck

Off season is prob longer

[knotty atlas]

Je, i've been chilling in queue for 30 minutes by now.

[sharp meteor]

Oh, no, solo is always popular, although I guess we are between seasons; it's a matter of dps to healer ratio.

Lots of dps bottlenecked by few willing healers.

for various reasons

[light granite]

u got any pics of ur glutes you could DM me?

jk i get what you're saying man

there's always some fuckery on IG type photos with lighting and gym pump.

[magic wing]

Taking anabolics with no intention to compete is regarded af

[light granite]

People have different goals in life

Some like to compete, some don’t

its not good on your body thats for sure

[cyan mauve]

striated glute photos for 10000 gold

you ever get so lean the bottom of your feet start to hurt when you walk and it hurts to sit down

[green anchor]

Any info on the Legendary axe yet?

[cyan mauve]

so basically

[green anchor]

[lavish quest]

The only thing we know is you're not getting it

[warm portal]

It is a two handed axe
It is legendary

[magic wing]

Im getting day 1 for sure

[latent hazel]

so the thing is

[gentle depot]

are strife trophy upgrades still in the game

didnt touch s2

[frank knoll]

I want to look like the Liver King, natty attainable?

[magic wing]

Id rather look like Nikocado Avocado than that guy

He looks 2 steps from the grave

[faint pumice]

What embellishments would be bis?

[warm pivot]

anyone knows if we get s3 pvp item from next weeks vault?

is it worth capping

[worthy fern]

@warm pivot not usually

[urban skiff]

Am I just crazy? What's the deal with afflic selfheal?

[cyan mauve]

you’d rather be 400 pounds than lean with muscle, a little odd

[deft yoke]

Conquest resetting next week?

[magic wing]

He looks like a human lobster

Mf lives on meat and pure steroids

[cyan mauve]

i’d rather look a little sunburnt and roided then be 400 pounds of melted ice cream

nickacado avocado is a grotesque form of existence i loathe the fact we breathe the same air

[wheat jay]

Now we're back to the roots of pvp

Full circle @fickle forge

[elfin surge]

im getting it for free 😎

[wheat jay]

Is that what sucking dick gets you?

Smh Mud stop slutting for items...

[elfin surge]

whats wrong with sex workers

are you shaming me?

are you denying my existence based on my sexuality ?

do i need to notify this discords moderators?

@wheat jay

[fickle forge]

Hi

[fickle forge]

Yes

🙏

[elfin surge]

fair enough

[wheat jay]

Do it pussy

[elfin surge]

🤓☝️

[pure hornet]

Do we need to play any pve or world events for next season pvp?

[mystic prairie]

how do I find a wpvp spot?

[lavish quest]

Mud started streaming again just so he could streamer bene'ies the legendary axe

[frank knoll]

Yes your existence is haram

[elfin surge]

been in this guild for years carrying them in pvp for free

[wheat jay]

You git qwik glad?

[lavish quest]

Joining next expac so you can carry me too

[elfin surge]