pvp

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

weird shit like what

[green sequoia]

Is this still a thing?

[elfin surge]

imagine goldshire egirl dms

[mild thunder]

you lost me at this part chief

[green sequoia]

Never knew about the sharpen and mortal wounds thing

[elfin surge]

still the same interaction @green sequoia

but

sharpen shorter than ms cd

so dont need to hold really

[mild thunder]

egirl? is that one of the rewards for getting gladiator or something?

[elfin surge]

unless ms reset procs

[green sequoia]

Ah okay

[frank knoll]

Flark looks like a school shooter and nerd rages, i love it

[elfin surge]

ya

[sage raptor]

Idk I've been buying glads and I haven't gotten anything like that

[atomic orchid]

You get free glad as egirl.

[green sequoia]

Damn I bet I’ve done it honestly…

[sage raptor]

Aw man. I've been paying for mine.

[elfin surge]

sit "afk" on your glad mount in goldshire, should get a few dms.

[mild thunder]

bet, i know what im doing next week

[frank knoll]

I remember Flark saying Chillpills is trash too which is cap

[mild thunder]

we transferring to moonguard, boys

[elfin surge]

both garbage

[frank knoll]

Just don’t go to GS on your feral Druid

[elfin surge]

flark is like actually really bad

but has a weird ego

[frank knoll]

Chillpills is good wym

[sage raptor]

He's angry a lot because he's a vegetarian

[green sequoia]

I don’t personally like flark.

[mild thunder]

i dont think ive ever actually seen him play

[green sequoia]

He pumps tho lol

[mild thunder]

his guides were enough evidence that half his brain is missing

[frank knoll]

It’s like dawg ur a grown man

And this is ur avi

Men used to go to war

[elfin surge]

[frank knoll]

You guys think he jerks off to it

[green sequoia]

100%

[sage raptor]

When he gets drafted in ww3, that'll be in his helmet

[mild thunder]

i know mud jerks it to his orc

[sage raptor]

Tbf we all do

[mild thunder]

why do streamers always gotta be so cringe man

bicmex and snupy are the only watchable streamers now

[sage raptor]

I like foxy

[mild thunder]

and baj

[sage raptor]

I love that screenshot

[elfin surge]

feedgod streams are pretty good

[sage raptor]

I like to watch 1900 streamers

[mild thunder]

desiheat streams are pretty good

[elfin surge]

title btw

[sage raptor]

Leon??? Leon S. Kennedy??? Leon (the sex) Kennedy??????

[mild thunder]

least deranged mw player

[sage raptor]

That hurt to read somehow

Physically

[fickle forge]

Did he continue the Redfield bloodline?

[sage raptor]

No, and there's not much time left! Claire already has 3 cats.

[frank knoll]

Cause they are Lumpenproles

[mild thunder]

idk i feel like most streamers are the cringiest examples of lavish bourgeoisie in the world

most successful streamers

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

dw mud, you're not successful

[elfin surge]

[magic wing]

Streamers gotta pander to kids

Thats why

[atomic orchid]

Laros is pretty good to watch

[magic wing]

No kids= no money

[atomic orchid]

Not cringe

[mild thunder]

no one understands 12 year old audiences like @elfin surge

[magic wing]

Manchildren neckbeards also count

[sage raptor]

And apparently petkick

[mild thunder]

so nice to be watching a GOOD streamer rn

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

or petkick (allegedly)

[frank knoll]

Irl streamers get the wall

Imagine going up and harassing people in public in front of your audience, all while you’re protected by private security guards

[fickle forge]

Mud one of the few Chads with an actual job next to his streaming 🙏

[mild thunder]

baj gets paid for his bodybuilding comps too, no?

[frank knoll]

Yeah I don’t think you make much though

[fickle forge]

Yeah, he's a pro lifter

Man has his lifting and streaming as his job while taking care of his family

The biggest Chad

[mild thunder]

baj do be kinda chadly

he needs that beard back tho

[frank knoll]

His current cut, I’m a little worried about him

In the face he’s looking like skeletor

[frank knoll]

Lmao

[elfin surge]

honestly a classic

[mild thunder]

@magic wing wtf dude

[warm portal]

At 3am lol

[mild thunder]

this is why you should just go to bed at 2am, fellas

[magic wing]

I stand on that quote

[mild thunder]

dont

[wheat jay]

Fembelf superior

[mild thunder]

femnelf >>>>>>>

[magic wing]

Meh

[wheat jay]

I recently discovered femnelf sprinting animation

10/10

[mild thunder]

i play fem nelf and idek what it is ngl

[magic wing]

It goes like this

Fembelf>femdraen>femhum=femnelf

[mild thunder]

L list

wtf

[wheat jay]

Man's going for that goatussy

L list for sure

[mild thunder]

least deranged foot fetishist

[magic wing]

W list

[frank knoll]

Feet is the most common one apparently

[wheat jay]

Fembelf > femnelf > rest

[mild thunder]

it shouldnt be

[wheat jay]

One word

Thighs

[mild thunder]

respectable

[frank knoll]

It has to do with how your brains arousal wiring is next to the feet wiring

[magic wing]

You cant say e a t a s s

[frank knoll]

Some peoples are mixed up

[magic wing]

Wtf

[wheat jay]

Cuz you dirty

[frank knoll]

That stuff is super taboo in the Muslim community btw

[magic wing]

Nah liking feet is an evolution thing

Youre more evolved

[frank knoll]

Eating A S S rules

[worthy fern]

Fem nelf > all

[mild thunder]

W

[magic wing]

Racial player

[frank knoll]

Fem nelfs = WNBA

Brittney Griner

[wheat jay]

Imagine not even putting fembelf before > all

Teknyx smh

[magic wing]

Thats like saying gnome>all

[worthy fern]

@frank knoll what

No

[mild thunder]

dude fembelves are just goofy looking

[worthy fern]

WNBA is like

[mild thunder]

bug-eyes

[frank knoll]

Aren’t Nelfs like 7 feet tall per the lore

[mild thunder]

fem troll

[worthy fern]

The addict is elves

Nightborne

[wheat jay]

Dommy mommy

[frank knoll]

Yeah like the one from resident evil

[wheat jay]

Big dommy mommy

[worthy fern]

Only skinny virgins think belfs are hot

[frank knoll]

Belfs are too skinny

Never liked skinny girls period

[spice hornet]

[magic wing]

L take

[frank knoll]

You guys remember that classic streamer “Skarm” who actually went to jail for being a pedo

[magic wing]

Thats Martin Luther Jr tier quote

[sage raptor]

Skarm was a legit pedo? I was wondering what happened to him.

One day people talked about his streams and the next no one was.

[mild thunder]

who tf is skarm

[lavish quest]

Your role model from the sounds of it

[mild thunder]

mud would be my role model if he was stormforged

[lavish quest]

Shouldn't you be stalking some cringe sv 12 yr old now?

And let the arms one be

[mild thunder]

sv only needs one streamer

[sharp meteor]

Hail Bicmex.

[spice hornet]

Don’t you DARE talk to Galachad like that

[wheat jay]

Hail Bicmex.

Best pvp player in wow

[atomic orchid]

Who?

[mild thunder]

Hail Bicmex.

[frank knoll]

Yeah he went to jail for it prior to becoming a classic streamer, then some of his follow dug it up thus, him being cancelled

[mild thunder]

here come the galatards 🤓

[frank knoll]

If you spank a puppy

[spice hornet]

Those 12 year old galatards

Where did that old man go

[frank knoll]

The boomer? Yeah he’s got like fuck you money from being a successful real estate investor so he just plays Wow all day

He’s probably on “vacation” in Thailand

[lavish quest]

You're one of them

[mild thunder]

off to spank a puppy

[mild thunder]

one of them?? i am THE galatard

[sage raptor]

This is retarfed

[spice hornet]

Fat finger

[sharp meteor]

Highly regarded.

[spice hornet]

Ed

[mild thunder]

f*ngered

@spice hornet

[sharp meteor]

[spice hornet]

The good ol days

[mild thunder]

wtf rookie numbers????

[spice hornet]

That’s gotta be wrong

Missing two 00s easily

Archi going through and deleting my pats

Posts

TFW the adderall supply runs out

[mild thunder]

man whatever happened to that braff guy

or @ndogofury

[fallen estuary]

Rookie rookie numbers

[spice hornet]

This was my ex-partner lol

On his alt warr

He’s a rager

Really easy to piss off

[fallen estuary]

Name does confirm

[cyan mauve]

kinda rеtarded you can’t say rеtard

[worthy fern]

Ndogo is still around

In some discs I’m in

[green sequoia]

Anyone have a list of all changes for classes including pvp? I can’t ever seem to find them. For upcoming patch

[sharp meteor]

For...10.2?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24020034/updated-nov-1-dragonflight-guardians-of-the-dream-content-update-notes

[frank knoll]

Yeah I was doing a BG on my shitty alt warlock and I think I got up to take a piss or something and came back to those DMs

[lavish quest]

I'd dm you hate too if I saw you on warlock

[green sequoia]

Yes sir and thank you! Been meaning to check stuff out to see how everything is falling in a week or 2

[lavish quest]

I'm preparing for our aff overlords as we speak

[wheat jay]

Bruh

[scarlet barn]

Outplayed newbie

[frank knoll]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-problem-with-havoc-demon-hunter-in-pvp/1697305/27

[wheat jay]

Real and true

[frank knoll]

This guy is a glad DH being told by duelist forum monkeys that DH is fine defensively

[wheat jay]

Its not

Dh is fucking dogshit defensively

You do dmg, done

Not even the best dmg

Your burst is quite low too

Your utility is decent at best

Your walls are rng which sucks ass

[frank knoll]

I’m hearing it’s OP on the PTR

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz its got reworked basically

Both offensively and defensively

[frank knoll]

And they don’t usually nerf DH

[wheat jay]

Good

I want it to be broken

If i play dh I'll play broken shit

If I play KFC I'll counter dh xD

[frank knoll]

I played it around 2.1-2.3 in SL

In 2s

Exploited the Necrolord cheese

[wheat jay]

Lol

Its getting removed iirc

No more fodder to the flame

I havent really checked what its going to do now

Imma just blind pick it

Got easiest 1900 in ss few days ago at like 2100mmr xD

[frank knoll]

Nice

I may be a BM hunter exploiter

I will play BM if the damage is broken

[wheat jay]

Ye that's an option too

Bm looking super strong

I'll just play whatever is stronger for warrior

And Kargish will just suffer through it

He doesn't want to play with dh, but he also wants to win

Whining 24/7 Childgish

[frank knoll]

I thought Kargish played Rsham

[wheat jay]

He's a bitch, only plays arms

He played ret for one day and he rq cuz he didnt press divine shield on full rmp pop on him

No amount of walls could have saved his ass

[frank knoll]

I might play Ret too

[wheat jay]

I thought about it

But my healer isn't too keen

And i respect his wishes, cuz he plays every healer every spec

Meanwhile kargo is only arms

And often plays sub-optimal builds

Literally Zhrey lite

And he has to be sleeping cuz im shittalking him and he's still silent lmao

[fallen estuary]

swag

[atomic orchid]

Wtf is that UI

[fallen estuary]

me ui

[mild thunder]

🧢

EVERY spec gets nerfed, what is this cap lmao

[frank knoll]

Naw

Only warrior

[lavish quest]

Tru

[mild thunder]

arms just gets nerfed a lot because it's always overpowered

[frank knoll]

As a hunter how do you deal with warriors zug zugging you down

[mild thunder]

the fact they didnt do end-of-season tuning after 10.1.7 is so cringe tho holy fuck

[mild thunder]

i hug my pillar and never go in melee

[frank knoll]

I may play hunter next patch if it’s good

[mild thunder]

unironically, ret/warr is unkiteable

[frank knoll]

And I always destroy hunters

[mild thunder]

yup

[frank knoll]

Like they don’t stand a chance

[mild thunder]

can stop/mitigate all cc, get freedomed so you cant be slowed, parry all my dmg etc.

[frank knoll]

Usually get turtle the first time I connect

[mild thunder]

you can kill through turtle too

hard tho, after warbringer was nerfed

used t o be way more reliable

[frank knoll]

Yeah so I’m thinking “hunter looks fun but there’s gonna be a ton of warriors and Rets ” and I know how easy it is for them to just zug zug down a hunter

[mild thunder]

next season is gonna be the most ret/warr meta of all the ret/warr metas

there's no point playing anything that even vaguely relies on setup

[sharp meteor]

I like how some abilities just straight up go through it.

[frank knoll]

Wow I know DoTs did but not straight up abilities

[sharp meteor]

Warbringer in SL as Necro was the funniest one

just charge into turtle and kill the hunter at 15%

[wheat jay]

I outzug them

Stand in the middle

Go full Oppenheimer on them

Have my healer pve heal me

[mild thunder]

tried this

there just aint no way sv jungle outzugs ret/warr

aint no way

esp when they're playing with rdru or fw, which they all do

[sharp meteor]

No.

Maybe if you're MM with a Destro.

[mild thunder]

you dont leave pillar as sv into ret/warr

im convinced

[sharp meteor]

Okay guy that got pancaked through everything

[wheat jay]

Stand your ground

[sharp meteor]

Retwarrfw will kill you through everything

[wheat jay]

You either die a hero or live like a bitch behind a pillar

Did I stutter?

[mild thunder]

dying dont get you glad

[sharp meteor]

Did u finish wins yet

[mild thunder]

i tanked

2350

[sharp meteor]

Shit.

[mild thunder]

dude

all

i

fucking

verse

is aug

and ret/warr

[sharp meteor]

Heys.

Das me.

[mild thunder]

even snupy was making fun of sv jungle

[sharp meteor]

All I got on my push was like warlock/mage and rm, it was weird.

It was actually 80% double caster

so I afk at pillar until 9 minutes

[mild thunder]

i see a lot of shadowplay too, but we farm them

[wheat jay]

Killed him twice, died to him twice

Fuck snupy

[mild thunder]

we do okayish into aug comps, the games just go for so damn long that it's a waste @sharp meteor

[wheat jay]

Boosting coont

[mild thunder]

ret/warr and turbo are hard counters tho

dogshit winrate into them

[green sequoia]

@elfin surge got a question... bc i was just testing it and i would use sharpen and MS..... then i would MS again and it would just refresh the 50% on the target

is that a tooltip bug?

bc i just did it for 5 mins and the debuff said 50% the entire time

not the normal amount

[mild thunder]

are you hitting a normal dummy?

[green sequoia]

thats why im asking... im in wpvp most and out in the world

was in the pvp quest

and killing the named rare

so wasnt sure

[mild thunder]

then yes, it'll be 50%

ms effects are 50% in pve, 25% in pvp

[green sequoia]

so in pve it refreshes the 50

well at first it said 25

until i used sharpen

thats why i ask

[mild thunder]

test it on the pvp dummy

[green sequoia]

maybe the pvp was active at the start and then not active during

i will in a sec

[mild thunder]

killing pve rares with wm on just isnt a reliable way to measure player-on-player interactions in arena

dummy doesnt show it properly either

[sharp meteor]

That's because you're hitting a pve target.

Sharp wipes ms and can't apply ms until sharpen falls.

[green sequoia]

nice just got 2.1 lol

was a double hunter / war / mage lobby

won both the mage fights and lost bc a hunter didnt turtly

[mild thunder]

nice

[spice hornet]

Do you sleep? @mild thunder

[mild thunder]

yea, with your mum

[atomic orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-excellent-yes-meme-nod-gif-17397471

[scarlet flame]

i live in your head rent free bud

[thick reef]

hey guys i have a couple questions. Is it worth buying a conq weapon if I already have a 447 scalewarden weapon, and is using my 447 haste/mastery ring from pve fine?

[green sequoia]

Boomy is funny AF hit 70 tonight…. N like 4-5 shuffles just hit 1800 n 2200 mmr like wth

[pale minnow]

Mega busted class

[green sequoia]

Yea lol it’s so funny bro

Open with a clone on healer and blow buttons

[supple galleon]

real quick, if Mortal Strike is off cooldown, do you press it no matter what? assuming your cooldowns dont need to be pressed

regular rotation

[glacial shale]

it's fine, buying one is just a bit better

like, a tiny bit

[tribal wedge]

if OP is already at 2 stack, press OP, then MS, in order to not waste any tactician proc

[scenic oar]

How can you kill through turtle?? 😮

[wheat jay]

cleave

hunter in turtle, pet next to him, use sweeping strikes and hit pet

hunter will take dmg

[scenic oar]

Ahhh I see, I had to read the description

Deflects all attacks and reduces all damage you take by 30% for 8 sec, but you cannot attack.
I see, so I guess it only deflects direct attacks, but not aoe, that is why the 30% damage reduction... Had no idea, I never leveled a hunter 😂 Pretty good to know, thanks!

[mild thunder]

by getting good

[mild thunder]

no, there's just buggy interactions with certain buffs like sweeping strikes or rogue Stealth that allow some abilities to bypass immunities

most aoe attacks will be deflected by turtle, bubble etc.

warbringer, attacks cleaved by sweeping strikes, attacks cleaved by blade flurry and probably a few others bypass immunities

similarly, rogue stealth abilities also bypass all dodge, parry and block effects

[scenic oar]

Ohh I see, thanks for the explanation, definitely had no idea about that. I used to dedicate more time to PvP around TBC/WotLK and then on Cataclysm just played kind of on and off, Shadowlands I did not even buy it, played it for free I believe 😂 (dragonflight was closeish I think) so there's a ton of stuff Im always relearning.
Your insights are really great, thanks again!

[magic wing]

Always has been

[fallen estuary]

Using you as an example isnt living rent free lmao

[thick reef]

would i have an easier time climbing shuffle as arms? usually a fury player but played a lil bit of arms in pve

[magic wing]

Fury is ezmode

Pick tunnel target and pve

[frank knoll]

Fury gets hard when you face people who know they can just kill you in damp when enraged regen falls off

You gotta win in the first avatar/T-roar go as fury

[thick reef]

Just tried a round of ss as arms and man I suck

Idk how to deal with caster lobbies

[covert marsh]

this might not be the best answer, but you can try to tunnel the one that deals with aggro less efficiently, try and los the other one and pray your healer knows how to position accordingly, or leap behind LOS when they pop cds and just wait it out

[covert marsh]

i noticed that arms has a much higher rating floor & ceiling than fury on murlok.io, is that just who happens to be playing it, or is fury just really ooga booga at lower rating with higher burst?

[sharp meteor]

4-2 turning into a 2-4 because a Ret got mad and ran it down on my team.

[warm portal]

F

[supple galleon]

what about Executioner’s Precision?

[lavish quest]

He's saying if you have 2 overpowers to use, not the stacks that buff MS. They're nice but you don't hold mortal strikes to get the buffs applied to it except for certain circumstances where you'd want that lil extra burst in one mortal strike.

But you generally want to always have at least one overpower on cd so when you spend rage and you get an overpower proc, you're not wasting it

Otherwise, just slap mortal strike whenever it's available

Wait queue, do one round, "welp, let's wrap it up here" says healer that lost

[sharp meteor]

Ah yes we love people on their second or third lobby in a 2300 mmr game in the final week of the season

At least he left immediately instead of after losing 3 with you, lmao

[lavish quest]

He didn't acutally say that btw, but I gotta memem

Well I won the 1 round that happened lol

[sharp meteor]

Also you get 15 mmr for that

[lavish quest]

I'm only queuin cuz I'm bored

[sharp meteor]

That's like 5 days worth of pointos.

[warm portal]

Ez 15 mmr that's a dub

[lavish quest]

Don't worry, I just logged off after, gotta get back to leveling my next warrior

[magic wing]

Fury has more outplay potential, really telegraphed burst and shittiers MS

Like to get outplayed

But you can pop mfs off so fast with the Swifty macro

[supple galleon]

yeah that was my original question, I asked are you just supposed to press MS every time it’s off cooldown regardless of buffs but now I know yes as long as you don’t have 2 charges of OP so you don’t waste Tactician. As far as the actual damage modifiers, no it doesn’t matter just press MS, right?

[warm portal]

Fury doesn't kill dick unless you are deathwishing or cleave 3 people with CDs

[sharp meteor]

Fury presses 2 buttons on the most vulnerable target until the game ends.

[lavish quest]

Most of the time no it does not matter

They're just icing on the cake, it's better to hit MS more often than buff it every time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8sPZq6G6gw&ab_channel=Gingermob

Just pretend this is for pvp

[fallen solar]

Just bought this. I have 8gb of ram in my gaming laptop lol. This a good upgrade?

I don’t know much about computers

[lavish quest]

Yes, though... do you have an actual computer to put it in...?

[thick reef]

whats the talents for pvp?

[lavish quest]

Surely you don't mean for the laptop

[thick reef]

yes he does

its a sodimm

[fallen solar]

I have a gaming laptop

[warm portal]

Don't you want dual channel for your RAM too? That's a single stick

[lavish quest]

Oh is sodimm something specific to laptops? I don't mess with laptops really lol

[fallen solar]

I have one in there already

Well I did research and this was the best option

[thick reef]

does the stick you have match that one?>

[fallen solar]

It fits the specifications of my laptop

[lavish quest]

Then you should be good, like I said, I don't mess with laptops, I just have an actual pc

I mean I do have a laptop, but I don't game on it really or anything

[fallen solar]

On my way home I’ll try it out and let you know

But it should work

Shit was 80 dollars

[lavish quest]

If it fits spec, should work fine. When my graphics card died during 2020 I just bought a new prebuilt, but I ripped out the ram and storage from my first pc and just added it to the new prebuilt cause might as well get use out of it

At least for PCs, rams are very easy to install too

Pretty much plug and play

[green sequoia]

I’m thinking about one of those starforged PCs lol they seem nice

[fallen solar]

Here’s what o got

[lavish quest]

On my alt right now, but if you really need I can send the base of what I use when I'm on my main

[thick reef]

sure

[supple galleon]

this is the best guide I’ve ever seen for WoW

[thick reef]

What do I do about caster lobbies in SS

I can't keep up with any of them

Super frustrating

[sharp meteor]

Try to avoid getting dragged into too bad of a spot usually.

If there's a caster between you and your healer then chances are you'll be toast soon.

[thick reef]

I keep getting put in lobbies with 1800-1900 players too 😦

Are we not meant to take improved execute as arms?

[fallen estuary]

Get on your hands and knees and accept the 20000000 ice lances

[scarlet flame]

whatever helps you cope at night lil guy

[fallen estuary]

Poop haha

[sharp meteor]

That's starter mmr now.

[thick reef]

I see

Should I be running improved execute? Seems like some top players aren't taking it

And is fatality better than executor's precision?

[lavish quest]

Yes, yes it is lol

[lavish quest]

Not gonna like it, but... you just suffer until it's not frustrating anymore lol

[green sequoia]

Just 1 shot them

[lavish quest]

But actual tips, don't was mobility, try to hit the caster that's less mobile/easier to stop their dmg, be mindful to swap when someone gets away

Stuff like that

[lavish quest]

Or yes, just ask for arms buffs until we can 1 shot them

[lavish quest]

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWikEJkkkWpkEAAAAQQkIQSQRENICJhiEhECQkAAAAAAAAQiWCCIENEA

What I use in general

[supple galleon]

Im always rooted

[lavish quest]

Sometimes move things, have a build for locks, have a build for kick dmg amp on some casters, stuff like that

[fickle forge]

Strongest prot main mentality

[thick reef]

is it not worth taking either fatal mark or executor's precision?

[scarlet flame]

dabdaddy the type of guy to get a girlfriend just to commit domestic abuse when he loses to mages

[fickle forge]

Post beat my wife image @mild thunder

[scarlet flame]

his house already has no walls because his mom told him if hes gunna keep punching them then they wont have them

[fickle forge]

Dabdaddy continues to Q the worst shit in the game and complain about it

🙏

[scarlet flame]

definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something different, guy broke his own mind playing prot you hate to see it

has his own special drool collection cup under his gamer helmet

[frank knoll]

That’s Bruin

[scarlet flame]

probably the same person

[sharp meteor]

Duelist mmr is a wasteland of headless augs and mages.

[lavish quest]

It can be worth it. On the arms side of the tree, you can move the talent from the heal on deep wounds and move it to either one of those, and I do quite often

Generally if I don't need the heal/no pet army class, I will move it to one of those depending on whether or not they have a way to remove fatal mark stacks

[supple galleon]

just had a lobby against Ret, WW and MM. I did not have fun and neither did the healers

[sharp meteor]

Sounds like a lobby where MM just gets torn to pieces.

[supple galleon]

when he isnt sprinting away and tossing traps yeah but idk what is with it but the mms i go against now are just, kite gods

makes me feel almost as useless as when im against mages

[magic wing]

Mages are one of 2 things: kite gods or trash that gets popped without even using defensives

[lavish quest]

Mages (and warlocks) are literally witches and should be burned at the stake

[thick reef]

Is it okay to drop hurricane for unhinged? I don't like being locked into bladestorm

[fallen estuary]

Projection

[spice hornet]

Can’t tell if dabdaddy is yet another master troll, or if he’s unironically regarded

Anyone know? ^ @mild thunder

[lavish quest]

Yes that's okay, not advisable vs pet classes, but you don't have to run hurricane. Can change it to unhinged or even fatal mark or precision

I should clarify unhinged isn't advisable vs pet classes. You can never run hurricane if you wish

[thick reef]

Yeah I've just been running precision

I could probably take fatal mark against non-paladins right?

[lavish quest]

I just got used to hurricane so I just put up with the commitment. CC immunity is nice anyways

And yes. A rare few other things remove the stacks too, but those aren't as big a deal so pretty much non paladin it's chill

I dunno which is better tho when it comes to non paladins, they're probably similar so you might just be able to always use precision to make life easy if you wish.
Fatality is obviously more finishing power tho

[dense herald]

Guys

Bis race for arms?

[sharp meteor]

Gnome.

Although Orc, Dwarf/DID, Human, Night Elf, etc, are fine/good in their own ways.

[thick reef]

im just trying to get 1800 before the season ends

atm im a 480

im doing this a fury too

[magic wing]

Tunnel the squishiest char and SB heals

Maybe peel a bit

1800 in 6 games

[near bridge]

hows fury for world pvp?

[magic wing]

Better than arms

[near bridge]

is the self healing easily shut down?

[wheat jay]

Disarm, ms, stun, fear, incap, kiting, root, mind Control, trap, blind, poly

Any cc

And your fury healing from frenzied regen is gone

[magic wing]

Better than 0 healing of arms

[near bridge]

I suspected this, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything before I tried one. I think warriors are cool I just don't want to be dependent on a healer.

[thick reef]

do i run anni or onslaught build?

[magic wing]

I ran anni swifty macro build

[wheat jay]

Arms mitigates more dmg tho

But hey, whatever you like

[magic wing]

You can zero ppl faster on fury if theyre bad/undergeared

[warm portal]

You can play both anni + onslaught if you want

[frank knoll]

Arms absolutely trashes under geared noobs wym

Kill someone in a bladestorm

[wheat jay]

Everyone*

[thick reef]

i like OS going anni and OF without OS feels bad to me. but id do what ever you think is best because im just winging it at this pooint.

[lavish quest]

Yeah everyone will lose 8% hp and that's assuming they don't all just blink/port. A true slaughter

[wheat jay]

Play spear

[warm portal]

Yeah anni+odyns sucks
Do anni+onslaught if you like anni

[lavish quest]

So they can walk out of it slowly

[wheat jay]

Bro what

Its literally better Vortex, how are they going to walk out?

[lavish quest]

How is it a better vortex when everyone's got a way out of it?

[wheat jay]

What is that way, other than immunity, and glitching out of it assuming they time it correctly?

[lavish quest]

Bugging it, death's advance, fade, half the shit DH's press, immunities, lock gate, feign death, on and on and on

[wheat jay]

Feign doesnt work

Since its physical

Noone gonna be casting lock gate in the open world, since that's what we're talking about

Bugging it in open world is not gonna happen either cuz even most pvp players cant time it properly in arena

And they have to use mobility for it, dh can meta, and iirc glimpse

Cant fel rush, unless bugging

[scarlet flame]

The only projecting I do is thinking people think like me, you’re the mentally ill one

[lavish quest]

Tell that to the hunters who press feign then walk out

[wheat jay]

...

Fam, im the hunter

Feign death removes magical effects

[frank knoll]

That’s getting nerfed

[wheat jay]

Spear is not a magical effect

[lavish quest]

So you have all the credibility on the ability that you never face because it never gets taken because it's shit

[wheat jay]

Besides the point here

[lavish quest]

[wheat jay]

Cant feign spear, since spear is physical

Since the start of dragonflight

[lavish quest]

Can't feign spear because spear doesn't get cast

[wheat jay]

Kargish played spear, Ask him

[lavish quest]

He's casting on his teammate now? Truly redefining the meta

[wheat jay]

Indeed

He's holding me back from getting glad that way

[lavish quest]

How do you get glad if you don't queue?

[wheat jay]

Good question

I don't i guess

[spice hornet]

lady speaking on wow just said amdyrssil is the last raid of DF lol

[scarlet barn]

Chris gonna tell ya more

[spice hornet]

sounds like they are going to 1 year expansions

maybe even less

[worthy fern]

Wtf is this classic shit

Level 25 level cap

[wispy cedar]

fartji

[lunar drift]

Are warriors one of the most durable specs in pvp? What else is durable?

[fallen solar]

I just got a title cooler than gladiator on my hunter

“The Horde Slayer”

#Flex

[frank knoll]

I have that one on my DK that I never play

Got it from Wpvp in BfA

[fallen solar]

Yep. I just got it finally. I was trying hard

I didn’t know I couldn’t mount on my mount to fly lol

I was panicking

But I did it

[frank knoll]

I don’t even know what I was doing
We were in a big group camping by a WQ and suddenly the got it

[fallen solar]

I was on SV too

Well I had about 12 horse kills in a row without dying and then a quest popped up to accept to kill another 10 but I’ll have a bounty on my head

So horde kept coming

I called for help, a few came

It was chaos

[mild thunder]

Ahhh man, I’m so glad they’re finally turning arms into a support spec. It actually fits the fantasy so well, especially for PvP

What do you guys think?

[fallen solar]

Wait what

[frank knoll]

That’s gotta be a forum copy pasta

[mild thunder]

Nah, I understand why they’re doing it. It’s already a “captain” style fantasy and we’ve had team wide banners and stuff before

[magic wing]

Straight copy from Lotro lmao

[frank knoll]

Bruh hero talents

They’re just going to takeaway talents we already have and make them “hero talents”

Watch

[fallen solar]

No new class? Or is that every other expansion?

[scarlet barn]

Not a rule

They are introducing subclasses or sub specs, not sure what it is yet

Some info is on wowhead

[mild thunder]

Inconsistent, but no one wants a new class

[scarlet barn]

Balancing nightmare already

Fyi , neither bfa nor shadowlads have new class

[spice hornet]

That SoD looks like a time sink/waste of time

Looks like some private server shizz I played when I was 12

[cyan mauve]

new spec for warrior ultra chad, every offensive one shots and u have 12 bubbles with no cooldown

sounds balanced

[frank knoll]

The warrior one I saw was called “mountain thane” I guess based on WC3 heros

There will probably be like a blademaster one too

[cyan mauve]

arms can only be slayer and colossus

not mountain thane

slayer sounds chad

multi storm bolt

on mountainthane

[frank knoll]

I wonder what DH will be

“School shooter”

“Naruto runner”

[elfin surge]

Colossus Arms Warrior

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-gif-26089254

this

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-itachi-itachi-uchiha-akatsuki-uchiha-gif-25032746

[mystic prairie]

anybody had an issue where omnibar just refuses to work in SS? it seems to work elsewhere, but not SS, reinstalling does nothing

[pure hornet]

Cant believe metzen is back

Anyone has high haste? Or mastery better for arms

[worthy fern]

Everyone’s bitching but it’s far better than what I was expecting

New xpac seems hype

[pure hornet]

Yeah

[worthy fern]

The classic shit looks fun too

It’s new so it’s gotta be worth at least a few months of fun

Ill play cata classic cause I wasn’t gaming when that game out

Historically when an xpac has a beer dungeon it’s a good xpac 😎

[mystic prairie]

ok it stopped working in skirmishes as well, smh

[worthy fern]

Am I correct in reading this season of discovery launches this month?

[sharp meteor]

Idk what anybody would've expected. Everything looks fine/good.

They've dialed back most tedious grindy systems and stuff so it's doubtful they start forcing those again.

Alt/catchup/qol stuff keeps getting better.

[mild thunder]

yes

imma probs play it

[mild thunder]

who's bitching? what's to bitch about?

[sharp meteor]

Classiclets.

The cries from the classic pits grow louder.

[mild thunder]

i understand if people wanna complain about xpacs being too short and ending before a X.3 patch, but idm if we're getting actually planned xpacs

[mild thunder]

they can cry all over my dingus, classic andy's stay losing

[sharp meteor]

Real and true.

[mild thunder]

no new furry race

sorry fox

based on what they announced im also 100% absolutely no doubt about it certain that there will be a world revamp in 12.0 or 13.0

probably 13.0

The Last Titan (oooooo)

[rancid nymph]

Why do I see so many gnomes on ladder all of the sudden

[sharp meteor]

I'll be fine. 🥹

[mild thunder]

it's stronk

[elfin surge]

world revamp is needed to save the game

current form of sending new players to bfa/shadowlands

is terrible

[mild thunder]

mud stream is needed to save the game

[rancid nymph]

Stronker then orc?

[mild thunder]

yes

[mild thunder]

it'll happen, it's obviously just a FUCKTON of work, so i understand delaying it to the 2nd or 3rd worldsoul xpac

if they did a world revamp for 11.0 we'd have to wait an extra year or two and i cba

[sharp meteor]

SL is terrible but BFA seems fine in terms of questing/leveling and whatnot.

[elfin surge]

BFA is confusing for new players

[sharp meteor]

They aren't going to redo the whole world after people shit on them for doing it in Cata.

[elfin surge]

need to help a farmer in elwynn

or a farmer in durotar kill boars

[sharp meteor]

Quests are the same everywhere.

Collect 8 bear butts, 12 plants, named mob for its head/horn.

[mild thunder]

13.0 is apparently confirmed to take place in both northrend and parts of the old world... and there's absolutely no chance they dont revamp old zones if they're gonna do stuff there

[elfin surge]

[sharp meteor]

There's just no peer pressure to have to like retail like there is with Classic.

[sharp meteor]

Oh, yeah, partial revamps of old stuff revisited as current content is cool.

I'm just saying they can't/won't redo the world for leveling.

[mild thunder]

im more interested in redoing it for endgame content

fuck levellers

[sharp meteor]

How dead are rbgays when blitz is ranked you think

[mild thunder]

woahhhhh

@ mod

that language isnt acceptable

[sharp meteor]

[elfin surge]

rbgs will need a seasonal reward other than hero

[sharp meteor]

How bad is Blitz gonna be I wonder

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, they do

[elfin surge]

rbgs will die

[mild thunder]

idgaf about rbgs

let them die

cringe af bracket

[elfin surge]

i like rbgs

[sharp meteor]

RBGs fun if you got a group.

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

I think most people just have that finding a group issue.

[mild thunder]

delete shuffle

[sharp meteor]

Or not wanting to schedule stuffos.

[mild thunder]

delete rbgs

[elfin surge]

i need 25cr for hero prob

which is about 10 games cuz nobody wants to q into us

[sharp meteor]

You gots this

[elfin surge]

🙂

[worthy fern]

what would a world revamp even look like

[elfin surge]

cataclysm

[worthy fern]

they need to figure out some method of keeping majority of the zones active gaming space for all of players

[sharp meteor]

literally cata

which people shit on

so

[worthy fern]

like add in events

[sharp meteor]

[worthy fern]

or crafting nodes in old zones

[sharp meteor]

"why'd you ruin the world"

"also update it again"

[mild thunder]

impossible

[worthy fern]

its not

[mild thunder]

wow is just too big

[sharp meteor]

Not possible.

[worthy fern]

lots of games do it

[sharp meteor]

Too many zones.

[worthy fern]

see gw2

[sharp meteor]

Imagine having to go to 1k needles and stranglethorn regularly

[mild thunder]

is there any mmo that's even close in size to wow?

[sharp meteor]

althogh they do add some cosmetic incentives

[worthy fern]

gw2222

[sharp meteor]

that keep people around

[worthy fern]

its not required

but all zones scale and reward currencies and shit

cosmetics

[mild thunder]

you know what that would do, right?

[worthy fern]

yes

[mild thunder]

kill any new zones lol

[worthy fern]

allow players to go to old zones and do stuff

no

[mild thunder]

no

it wouldnt

[worthy fern]

go play gw2 and return

[sharp meteor]

No.

[mild thunder]

it would kill any social cohesion left by spreading players across 100 different zones lol

[worthy fern]

its not required shit but useful

like gold

and xp boosts

cosmetics

dyes

[mild thunder]

firstly

they've already done that

secondly

[worthy fern]

on a small scale in bfa yea

[mild thunder]

no

right now with the eastern kingdoms/kalimdor races lmao

[worthy fern]

what

one quest?

[mild thunder]

a cosmetic/challenge in literally every old world zone

ye

[worthy fern]

active world is good

[split notch]

I can't stand level scaling in games. Progression doesn't feel as good. You level up, supposedly get stronger, but it never really feels like it. No adventure, no tough higher level zone to work towards or try and do early for a challenge.

[mild thunder]

wow leveling is a tutorial

that's it

nothing wrong with that, but that's what it is

[split notch]

True

[worthy fern]

at least make like

[mild thunder]

wow is an endgame-game

[worthy fern]

pvp bounties

in a random zone

[mild thunder]

yea dude

no one will do that

[worthy fern]

they did it in bfa

and it was fun sometimes

[mild thunder]

it'll be around for like, a patch, and then it'll completely die

[worthy fern]

if it rewards conquest ppl will do it

200 conq to kill 10 alli in felwood

and alli have same quest

[mild thunder]

i thought it should only award cosmetics?

also idk if it's just me

but i want wpvp to be destroyed

[worthy fern]

its def in a bad state rn

but no one cares its not important

[wheat jay]

Best wpvp was start of shadowlands

[mild thunder]

im sick of these terminally 1600 basement-dwelling mm mains thinking they're gods because they can 3v1 an arms warrior in wpvp, fuck them all @sharp meteor

[wheat jay]

Revendreth was so good for wpvp

[mild thunder]

wpvp sucks

it's always sucked

it always will suck

[worthy fern]

best wpvp was in classic wow pre bgs and it hasnt been good since then

[mild thunder]

because it's 1. impossible to balance and 2. infested with people that only group-gank

[split notch]

The older I get and less able to git gud I am, the more I dislike PvP in general. Wpvp especially. 😄

[sharp meteor]

Real.

[mild thunder]

it's a waste of time to try and make it good, because it will never be good

[worthy fern]

im not saying make it good

im saying give me a reason to leave the hub city

[mild thunder]

there are

tons

dude DF has had more world events/world shit going on than literally any other xpac lmao

with cosmetics, mounts, other rewards etc.

but you dont do it

[worthy fern]

i dont do it

[mild thunder]

just like you wouldnt do it if they did it in another zone

[mild thunder]

THATS MY POINT

[worthy fern]

just seems a shame to have all of the map be void and barren

it is the WORLD of warcraft

not the zone of warcraft

[mild thunder]

yea, but what you're suggesting wont fix it for you because you literally just admitted you dont do the world stuff they already have

[worthy fern]

i mean i dont play the game barely at all rn

so bad example

[sharp meteor]

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

Well, we appreciate your input.

[mild thunder]

i dont

[sharp meteor]

I don't either but we press on.

[fallen solar]

World PvP is my go to while waiting for ques

Got the horde slayer title today because of it

[mild thunder]

horse slayer

[worthy fern]

@fallen solar all i just read was "i am a dickhead"

[fallen solar]

That too

[worthy fern]

i hate ppl who wpvp consistently

[fallen solar]

Man it takes time to 1VX these douchebags that world pvp in groups

I always solo

[mild thunder]

people that brag about wpvp and people that brag about duels are the cockroaches of pvp

enter the arena, bitchboy

[worthy fern]

@mild thunder so what do you want to see when they revamp the world

[fallen solar]

Oh indeed. I world pvp while I wait for arena

I can’t just stand there and do nothing

[mild thunder]

meet me in the colosseum

[fallen solar]

I don’t do professions or shit

[wheat jay]

Galachad

We playing shadow Oppenheimer next expansion?

[mild thunder]

they could do two things imo - either revamp the old world for leveling to try and recreate the old-school rpg elements of classic OR turn X zones into endgame zones instead of giving us a new continent

or

they could just redo the zones because this is a story rpg, and in story rpgs the world evolves

[wheat jay]

This will probably happen

[mild thunder]

but the last one and first one wont happen, the second one will

[worthy fern]

i dont think they can make retail more like classic

good to do both versions

[sharp meteor]

Nor should they.

[mild thunder]

it's not about "making it like classic"

it shouldnt be

it wont be

[wheat jay]

Wake me up when classic legion comes out

[fallen solar]

I just want the original continents to be poppin again without playing classic

[mild thunder]

it's about reintroducing storytelling to leveling

[mild thunder]

im gonna guess dark ranger is for bm and mm

[wheat jay]

Probably

What are we getting then

[mild thunder]

maybe we get a tinker-y one

probably something pet-focused to share with bm

maybe they finally update our tree

[worthy fern]

dragon stalker

is very survivaly

[sharp meteor]

I really thought tinkers could've been cool; tank spec where you're in a mech like mekkatorque or gallywix, dps spec is turrets + lasers like galozw/heimerdinger, healer spec deploys energy fields, medic bots, etc

[mild thunder]

i really, really, really, really, really, really, really never wanna see another new class in wow

ever

[worthy fern]

new specs tho

[mild thunder]

nope

[worthy fern]

yessss

cant have no new shit for forever

[mild thunder]

new shit should be expanding what classes already have, adding more customisation like this

[worthy fern]

evoker was the first one that has been pretty universally hated

[mild thunder]

maybe artifact-style weapons again

never new classes or specs

there's already too many

[worthy fern]

dk dh ww were all good additions

[wheat jay]

New specs yes, tho id prefer big reworks

Dh new spec, and done

Then reworks

[worthy fern]

they were legit just reworked with talent trees

dh deserves a new spec for sure

[wheat jay]

Rework some lock into tank, demo probably

[worthy fern]

what about multi classing

warmage

[scarlet barn]

Dont think they can make Dh spec that would make sense

[mild thunder]

arms, fury both in dire need of a rework

[mild thunder]

nope

[wheat jay]

0 chance for wow tek

[mild thunder]

that's the stuff they should never do

because it completely fucks over existing playerbases

[worthy fern]

why does arms need a rework

[mild thunder]

because it's incredulously poorly designed lol

[wheat jay]

Rework Frost dk into tank, blood into dps

Would be fun too

[worthy fern]

how lol

design is fine

[mild thunder]

????????????????????

???????????????????????????????????????

stop the cap

[worthy fern]

explain

[frank knoll]

Locks used to off tank in vanilla

[worthy fern]

its better than all previous versions of war since legion

[frank knoll]

Like dungeons not raid

[wheat jay]

In tbc too

[mild thunder]

invisible resources with infinitely resetting 2 buttons is good design?

[wheat jay]

Lock was tank on illidan iirc

[mild thunder]

like bruh

arms is the worst designed spec in wow

no cap

[wheat jay]

Bm

[worthy fern]

out of your mind

[mild thunder]

do you think invisible resources with 2 infinitely resetting buttons is good design?

[worthy fern]

its simple sure but it works fine

what is an invisible resource?

[mild thunder]

a resource you never manage

i.e. rage

[worthy fern]

no one manages resources

anymore

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

He's right

[worthy fern]

like maybe a few specs

[mild thunder]

ok you dont play the game so imma just ignore you no cap

[worthy fern]

mana is not an issue

except for heals

and arcane

[mild thunder]

he's not right at all lol

[wheat jay]

He is

[mild thunder]

he isnt

[worthy fern]

everyones specs are just spammy

[wheat jay]

He is

[mild thunder]

just straightup objectively not true

[wheat jay]

What are you managing?

[worthy fern]

arms has no rage builder which is why you dont manage it anymore

you just gen rage

every other spec can gen resources

[mild thunder]

ret, feral, assa, sub (kinda), ww (kinda), havoc, arcane, enh, ele... dude almost every spec manages some kinda resource

[wheat jay]

Havoc doesnt

[mild thunder]

to varying extents

[wheat jay]

Stop

[mild thunder]

yes it does

[worthy fern]

bruh

[wheat jay]

It doesnt

Bro i play it

[worthy fern]

not one of those specs has to concern themselves with resources and i hope you arent talking about combo points

[wheat jay]

You dont look at it

[mild thunder]

ive also played it... the resource management is EASY, yes, but it does actually have to play around the resource

[wheat jay]

No

You dont have to

[mild thunder]

you pool for eye beam, can be locked out of abilities etc.

[wheat jay]

Not anymore

[worthy fern]

the only one that has to pay attention kind of is feral

[wheat jay]

Cant be interrupted

[mild thunder]

even taking havoc aside

[worthy fern]

to get bigger bites

[mild thunder]

that leaves every other spec lmao

[wheat jay]

Afaik arcane kinda has to

[worthy fern]

which is not even important

[mild thunder]

bruh

just

stop

talking

you're clueless

[wheat jay]

Everything else is just builder/spender

[worthy fern]

i have played every spec you listed in depthj

im not clueless

[mild thunder]

building/spending what? resources?

[wheat jay]

Bro

[mild thunder]

🧢

[wheat jay]

You gonna tell me

Building and spending

[worthy fern]

explain to me in detail whihc spec has to pay attention to resources

[wheat jay]

Is somehow class defining fearure that requires giga brain?

[mild thunder]

when arms cant even hit this incredibly low benchmark, yes i am going to tell you it's a failed spec

[worthy fern]

combo points dont count

[mild thunder]

what

lmao

[wheat jay]

You should word it better tek

[mild thunder]

explain to me the spec that pays attention to resources but dont mention their resources

[worthy fern]

ok they have energy and cp

so which are you talking about

even rogue cp are so flooded now

[mild thunder]

BOTHN ARE FUCKING RESOURCES DUDE

resources doesnt ONLY mean mana or ONLY energy or ONLY focus holy shit

[worthy fern]

thats how their spec works

[wheat jay]

You dont rly need some gigabrain to manage them tho

[worthy fern]

ofc they have to look at them

right

[wheat jay]

All are as easy as arms really

[worthy fern]

ok i have 5 cp i can kidney now

[mild thunder]

did i say that? did i say these specs are infinitely complex?

bro

[worthy fern]

done

[wheat jay]

Last time there was rage management that required some brain was legion

[mild thunder]

artji just shut the fuck up

[wheat jay]

No

[mild thunder]

let me talk to teknyx

[wheat jay]

You dumb