pvp

[mild thunder]

is it manly to off yourself at 40 because you never learned how to express or relate with emotions? lmao

[frosty nexus]

yes

[fickle forge]

Morthrang can't even pick up the barbell so I can't communicate with him anyway

[elfin surge]

bottle it up, be a man, you fuckin pussy.

[mild thunder]

based

[frank knoll]

Moisturize, learn to talk to people, get a haircut, get money

[magic wing]

Not bottle it up lol

[fickle forge]

Suicide run to getting no bitches

[frank knoll]

That’s all you have to do

[magic wing]

Release it in the gym

[elfin surge]

based

[west mural]

i belive there is a relation between pathology(this includes cancer) and unexpressed emotion

[frank knoll]

Roidcell

[west mural]

xD

[magic wing]

Women dont want another woman at home lol

[mild thunder]

lesbians do

[fickle forge]

🙏

[magic wing]

True

[elfin surge]

be the rock in the relationship

[magic wing]

Yeah

[elfin surge]

never show emotion

[fickle forge]

Aren't a bunch of lesbian relationships like giga unstable and fall apart?

[frank knoll]

You guys just explained the divorce rate

[fickle forge]

Unless the other chick is literally imitating a man

[mild thunder]

arent a bunch of lesbians giga unstable and fall apart?

[magic wing]

If one lesbian plays a man role then not lool

[elfin surge]

just like a vegan

[west mural]

when have u seen women get along for 2 long? xD there are exceptions but otherwise

[frank knoll]

The dudes that are maidenless are always the ones talking about being alpha and stuff

[magic wing]

I know one like that irl

[fickle forge]

Yah so it's like you literally simulate it anyway lmao

[lavish quest]

The dudes who are maidenless are grinding Elden Ring

[magic wing]

Only on 4chan

[mild thunder]

on anywhere

[west mural]

some dudes choose elder ring over pussy, nothing wrong with that

[mild thunder]

if you have to talk about being alpha, you're not

[frank knoll]

Just be happy and learn to have functional relationships with people

[elfin surge]

im so alpha

[lavish quest]

The correct choice we call that

[frank knoll]

And you’ll find yourself in a good spot

[magic wing]

But if you say Im an alpha male thats cringey

[mild thunder]

i believe you, lil man

[elfin surge]

lil man

ur 5'8

[frank knoll]

MUD is a Ligma Male

[mild thunder]

and a half

[lavish quest]

Oof

[magic wing]

Hobbit

[elfin surge]

[lavish quest]

How tall is mud tho? 1 inch on a heavy rain day?

[west mural]

bruv

xD

[mild thunder]

idk, what's the average height of a 12 yr old?

[elfin surge]

man if ive learned anything recently is that being fat is sexy and healthy and we should accept people.

[mild thunder]

stop

[lavish quest]

Hell yeah, let's go fat acceptance

[mild thunder]

@ archimtiros

[elfin surge]

youd get canceled now for saying being fat is unhealthy

[west mural]

that's already 1 sign of metabolic syndrome xD

[mild thunder]

i dont think that's true

[fickle forge]

#pvp got cancelled for it

[west mural]

depends who your customers are, u might be canceled in a way

[lavish quest]

I'd say I heard fat is healthy on that one doctor show, but I can't remember his name damnit

[mild thunder]

what the "fat acceptance" movement should have been about is simply having more realistic understandings of what is healthy and how attainable it is... you don't have to be a six-pack omega-shredded gym rat to be healthy
if you exercise moderately regularly - walk for an hour or so every day with some lightly strenuous exercise and a well-moderated diet, you're healthier than like 90% of the population and that's an easily attainable goal for most people

[west mural]

but it's litteraly a contradiction of what they teach u

[elfin surge]

[west mural]

also the work for 1 hour a day is simply not enough if for the rest of the day u do bullshit

[west mural]

when have humans sat on their asses for 95% of their lives

never

let's make a society without keeping tabs on what humans are built for

[mild thunder]

those standards are absolutely enough to live a mostly healthy, productive life... if you want to do more, live in the gym etc. that's an awesome goal and is great as a hobby or form of self-improvement, discipline etc. but it's 1. not appealing to most people, and 2. just not necessary to be basically healthy

and if you ask literally any health professional, they will say the exact same thing

[west mural]

being active is not going to the gym

u can be active anywhere

physicaly active

some health professionals today will be outdated in 100 years

sadly

it's not an exact sciency

yet

guidlines will change

[fickle forge]

When have humans lived till they were 80 yo

never

[mild thunder]

there are things in nutrition that can be ironed out, but nothing in that statement is remotely controversial

[west mural]

some people did indeed live for 80 years just alot of people didn't , not cause they were active but beucase all sorts of other problems, disease being one of the major ones

[frank knoll]

MUD isn’t fat

I mean he doesn’t sound like a big boi

[lavish quest]

How do you know?

[frank knoll]

Usually fat guys don’t have squeaky voices

[mild thunder]

he sounds 12

because he is

[lavish quest]

Aren't you 13?

[west mural]

physicaly or mentally?

[mild thunder]

yes

[spice hornet]

Mud is 14 years old iirc

[frank knoll]

I hung drywall in college and was in better shape than I was lifting

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, they do.

[fickle forge]

Maybe you're just ass at lifting 🙏

[west mural]

that actualy sounds intense xD

[frank knoll]

You got soft hands, I’ve seen em

[fickle forge]

Post max time hanging on the bar right now

[west mural]

bet the women apreciate it when he doesn't scrape their skin xD

[mild thunder]

you're 13

[lavish quest]

We're all 13 now

[mild thunder]

@brazen rock

[frank knoll]

Euros don’t do manual labor

They have Balkan guest workers do it for them while they lounge around and go to “university”

[west mural]

there is a price to be payed for that

oh, no , there will be a legedanry weapon next patch

[elfin surge]

k

[mild thunder]

when you dont stream, the children get antsy

[fallen estuary]

tfw they bring something fun just to nerf it right after

lmao

legit devs are satan incarnate

they somehow make fun into torture

[urban skiff]

what are we talking about?

also this is going to be super helpful when we get a rush of ret rerollers after the mandatory 3rd week reversal of ret buffs. Will be easier to tell them how to gear up

[frank knoll]

Lmao

Bro they ain’t gonna touch Ret

[urban skiff]

Trust me bro

[frank knoll]

Unless it over performs in raid

That’s all they care about

[urban skiff]

this is always how it goes with ret. They get reworked/buffed, get piss easy and super stronk. Then blizzard overnerfs them and they reroll to proper classes

shit I'm all for the new pvp talents

Gonna be screaming all day with Battlefield Commander

[simple rock]

that shit is getting nerfed

[urban skiff]

Probably staying fury just because there's more pvp talent freedom

Rooting with piercing is going to absolutely infuriate the casters

Free extra stam for entire team

make rally a sprint/snare removal

[frank knoll]

Probably playing Fury/Dev/Ret

[urban skiff]

everything designed around making life miserable for resto druid

[frank knoll]

Maybe some Destro sprinkled in

[urban skiff]

Those your classes or the team you want to play in?

I'm def going to play fury, aug, and third I'm a bit undecided on. Maybe dh, maybe rogue, tiny maybe on warlock.

[frank knoll]

Just what I wanna play
I don’t have a team

[mild thunder]

whatre you on about

ret isnt getting a single change lol

[frank knoll]

I play like 3 hours a week on weekends

[urban skiff]

that's what they want you to think

[worthy fern]

I actually love all of those talents

The about one is crazy utility

And I really like the storm rework

[glacial shale]

This is actually very very good

[hot solstice]

no matter how much utility arms gets ppl will still say "zug zug"

they need to do something with crit

nobody gears it except for hpala at some point

[elfin surge]

i can completely dismantle an entire go by an rmp single handedly and still be called just a melee zug zug with no brain by them.

[mild thunder]

you press intervene?

[elfin surge]

bladestorm db banner kidney disarm rogue bolt mage shockwave rogue trinket kick repoly zerker shout my healer out of the fear

yeah we good guys we can play

[mild thunder]

ok but you gotta admit that absolutely none of that is necessary to be a very high-rated arms warrior right now

[elfin surge]

says u

ur 2k

[mild thunder]

im 2450

[elfin surge]

in what

shuffle?

[mild thunder]

3s

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

doing glad wins

[elfin surge]

how many

[mild thunder]

uhhh, not tracking but i think we did 10/50 today

[elfin surge]

gaminggg

last minute push ??

[mild thunder]

ye pre much... only came back after 10.1.7 and took a bit of time to learn sv

[elfin surge]

my healer needs 30 wins still

[mild thunder]

chall?

or the mw

[elfin surge]

Feedgod

he has like

120 wins

/150

[mild thunder]

kinda chad

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

next season i push r1

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

if sv jungle is actually good

[elfin surge]

i still need 50 wins in shuffle for legend

[mild thunder]

i gave up on shuffle

cba with that bracket

[elfin surge]

i started shuffle last week

hate every time i q

[mild thunder]

reward isnt even cool enough to bother

i would if it were an actual transmog piece

[elfin surge]

i kinda fucked myself by qing so late

shouldve gotten like 2750 a month ago and sat to collect mmr

then 3-3 my way to r1

[mild thunder]

can you technically get r1 without finishing crimson legend wins?

if your mmr is juiced enough

[elfin surge]

you can easily yes

i was in the cutoff earlier with 13/100 wins

[mild thunder]

arms, right?

right?

[elfin surge]

i force myself to q even when i dont want to or am tilted so i usually int and tank but still need wins

[elfin surge]

obviously what am i if not an arms warrior

[mild thunder]

ye this is what i hate about shuffle... always feels like something i have to do instead of fun 3s sessions

[elfin surge]

3s>rbgs>shuffle

i need to q rbgs too

[mild thunder]

3s>rbgs>2s>shuffle

one day i'll push rbgs (probs not)

[elfin surge]

im like 10cr under hero rn

just need to q

but ppl dodge and qs are just as long as shuffle

[thick reef]

You see, you are forgetting new rbg shuffle

[mild thunder]

amateur

[elfin surge]

[mild thunder]

i did some guild rbgs with my pve guild at start of season

literally died

almost quit the guild

[elfin surge]

rbgs as war is fun

u just do damage

so if u q with a good team its chill

but nothing u do actually matters or changes the outcome

unless fc map

[mild thunder]

rbgs seem fun on like destro or ret

where you just pump dmg

[frank knoll]

Last time I did RBG as an arms warrior they wanted me to target call

[mild thunder]

was super fun on ww too

[frank knoll]

And I was like “bruh no”

[mild thunder]

whoever i decided to hit, died

[elfin surge]

same

[frank knoll]

It’s fun on Dev

[elfin surge]

i pad and sharpen what my casters can connect damage on

[frank knoll]

340k eternity surge

[mild thunder]

i dont wanna know what aug has done to rbgs

[elfin surge]

nobody qs it

[frank knoll]

Aug is gay

[mild thunder]

good

[elfin surge]

still the same shit

boomy rogue dh destro ect

[mild thunder]

rbg players living behinf the times

[frank knoll]

I think Dev is actually considered better
But if ur gonna be a serious evoker in RBG then you’re healin

[elfin surge]

q with an aug to ego other warriors in damage

[mild thunder]

nah

queue with a disc

dark arch and PI baby

[elfin surge]

been doing that for 3 years buddy

[mild thunder]

not anymore

[sharp meteor]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gladiator-wins-tracker

Idk script but this works

[mild thunder]

thanks 🙂 i knew about the addon, just didnt wanna keep looking at it and stressing about it

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, that's fair.

[mild thunder]

games felt good today, was just good to get up to 2.4

[sharp meteor]

I think the addon just runs whatever the new script is but I don't know how they changed them this patch.

[mild thunder]

tanked from 2300 to 2100 and back up to 2300 6 times lmao

[wheat jay]

Waiting for your first drop to 2100

[mild thunder]

nah, dont think i will tbh... already did at 2300 but feels pretty secure now

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, went from almost 2600 mmr to 2100 at one point. 🥴 Easy come, easy go.

[mild thunder]

real

[wheat jay]

2450 to 2100 hehe

[mild thunder]

our run was pre clean today

but i hate having healers in comms man

[wheat jay]

Good mmr

[mild thunder]

dude needs to stfu and let me think

i dont wanna hear healer comms or him spazzing out about us playing aggro

[sharp meteor]

I wish my team would comms. Novoiced everything.

[mild thunder]

heal me and shut up bitch

[wheat jay]

I win more when i talk more and Kargish less

[mild thunder]

we no-voiced most of our games around 2k - 2300 but even in comms we dont speak much... more just about talking shit between games lmao

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, sometimes that's how it goes. Can be hard to have good coms.

[mild thunder]

healer comms just feel oppressive

dudes give me anxiety with how much they freak over the tiniest thing when 99% of the time it's not an issue

[west mural]

tends to happen when 70% of the game u get chaindisabled

[frank knoll]

Do you say “Crikey”

[wheat jay]

As long as you dont do fail like Kargish and my heal you're good

[west mural]

i've watched pika play sham at 2.4k and man was freecasting whole game, no joke i don't free cast evet at 1.7k

[frank knoll]

“Crikey my healer is poly mate”
“Noaaarr he just disarmed my bloody avatar”

[mild thunder]

crikey mate, that explosive shot hit him like swooping season 🤠

[wheat jay]

Lol

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor how the aug games going

[sharp meteor]

Good, finished wins the other day. My poor DK was getting yelled at by his wife the whole time because apparently he needed to be packing for their vacation and she didn't understand that he needed a skinny dragon in armor.

[mild thunder]

noice!

unfort about the dk lmao

aug/uhdk is so annoying to verse.. had a 7 min game against aug/uhdk/rsham

they had ZERO kill pressure but we just couldnt finish the kill

their only win condition was me alt-f4ing

[sharp meteor]

Mhm. Most of our games were just manabarring teams, especially double caster.

[elfin surge]

furry fuck

[lavish quest]

Alpha male mindset?

[elfin surge]

@sharp meteor

[sharp meteor]

Hi, Mud. 😁

[mild thunder]

my feral did the same as feral/aug, said he hated himself

either cheese oneshot the opener or dig in for a 10 minute game

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, should've voiced to made sure we synced up our stuff better. Every 30 seconds somebody just gets dinged for 50-70% of their health instantly if they don't have a dr up.

[thick reef]

Need to go back to BDK/RSham and just troll

[mild thunder]

dude why the fuck do i get stunned off disengage

why is that a thing

aug counters hunter fr

[elfin surge]

@sharp meteor

[sharp meteor]

Ah, jeez. What'd the little foxos ever do to you? 😭

[thick reef]

Exist

[mild thunder]

[thick reef]

Vulperas are only in the game/lore because some Blizz dev has a furry fetish

[lavish quest]

Slay them all

[thick reef]

[mild thunder]

vulpera is in the game because people get triggered losing to them

[sharp meteor]

They were a good addition, unlike Mechagnomes.

[thick reef]

Mechagnomes are fine

[sharp meteor]

From the pretty extensive amount of data I've collected I'm not sure if this is true.

[thick reef]

Vulperas are just your thinly veiled fetish seeping in

[sharp meteor]

People do hate losing to people with egirl names, though.

[sharp meteor]

Thinly?

[mild thunder]

thinly?

[sharp meteor]

Also there's no shot you're saying Mechagnomes weren't a mistake.

[thick reef]

God forbid the day where Vulpera becomes BiS race

[sharp meteor]

At most they could've been a barber shop option.

[thick reef]

Nah Mechagnomes are fine

[mild thunder]

mechagnomes arent real

[thick reef]

Mechagnomes are funny in grinder matches where you can constantly stay in combat

[sharp meteor]

Gnomes were already one of the worst races and they went and amputated their limbs.

At least Gnomes have a decent racial I guess.

[mild thunder]

grindr?

freudian slip

[lavish quest]

Maghar? lol

[sharp meteor]

Yeahhhh, that's another one. Dark Iron, too.

[mild thunder]

ok cap, gnomes are based af

[sharp meteor]

I don't know. There's distinct races then there's the tints.

Zandalari cool, Dark Iron cool but not really deserving of their own race.

[lavish quest]

no

[sharp meteor]

Could've been night warrior or manari customization.

[mild thunder]

zanda are deserving of their own race since they're a completely new model

[sharp meteor]

Yer.

[thick reef]

I'm ok with this logic, no Vulpera then

[sharp meteor]

Uhhh, they're the same.

Heavily modified existing rig.

If you say Goblin in a fursuit I'll throttle you.

[mild thunder]

goblin in a fursuit

[thick reef]

You are a Goblin in a fursuit, quit lying to yourself

[mild thunder]

vulpera does have the coolest heritage set in the game tho

nooo cap

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, bis flavor racials and really nice heritage set.

[thick reef]

Locked behind a shit race

[lavish quest]

Vulpera could have been a custimization option for goblins tbh

[mild thunder]

tauren heritage sick af too

[thick reef]

[frank knoll]

Naw that’s Worgen

[mild thunder]

cap

[sharp meteor]

Nahhh. Goblins could probably get a sort of gilgoblin option, though.

[sharp meteor]

Too much gold.

I like what they were going for, though. Greymane in hots kind of goated.

[mild thunder]

i want an oaf allied race... not the ogres, the little oaf slaves the goblins use lmao

[lavish quest]

Vulpera have cool shaman totems. And that's the list of the good things about Vulpera right there

[mild thunder]

maghar totems are bis

[frank knoll]

Ready for the Dranie heritage armor

Who’s next up for Heritage?

[mild thunder]

its called the shatari defense set from wod

[frank knoll]

Humans were disappointing

warfront set was cooler

[mild thunder]

nah human was okay imo... not amazing, but i got some cool stuff out of it

panda ought to be next

and they should get 2

[sharp meteor]

That'd be swell.

[mild thunder]

tushui and huojin sets

and shado-pan

[lavish quest]

Need jinyu options for nelf

And human heritage has best bracers in game

[west mural]

i'd like to see a 3 mechagnome team 1 monk 1 mage 1 healer all use illusions xD

[lavish quest]

You'll get the same thing if you fight just one demo lock btw

[west mural]

ngl i'd with the would do away with the amount of demons it has , same with dk's army

ok i'd like for the to do away

my writing

[mild thunder]

[modern pilot]

yall must think your so sneaky

nobody has said a word about those pvp talents you guys are getting next patch

i feel like

next patch

will be like shadowlands warrior

[sharp meteor]

In the end it's always retwarr.

[modern pilot]

lmaooo

[mild thunder]

spoken about like a dozen times today

[sharp meteor]

Gonna be interesting with fw.

[modern pilot]

i foresee a futuure reality

[sharp meteor]

Actually just mow people down.

[modern pilot]

where ret war is 70% of the ladder

and then i play aug dk

and dumpster all you fools

[mild thunder]

that's the future? that's the present

[modern pilot]

this is what you deserve for not playing tsg like real men

[sharp meteor]

I played aug/dk this season. Kind of regretting it, though.

[modern pilot]

too much splay is the problem

but if ret war fist is gigga strong, maybe splay wont be a problem anymore

[sharp meteor]

Honestly splay didn't feel too bad, we'd usually just manabar them.

Mage teams felt unplayable.

[modern pilot]

ah like arcane?

[mild thunder]

thunder is almost unbeatable for us

most other things feel tough but beatable

ret/warr very tough

[sharp meteor]

Ate like 4 diff thunders 5 games in a row the other day, omg. Just schizo swapping off every hot.

[mild thunder]

turbo we always play very well, have a very strong game

then get procced

and feral goes 100-0 in 0.7s

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, enh will cheeseball you from 70% health with an ascendi proc.

Get domed, bozo.

[modern pilot]

i think turbo will be the gigachad comp

they will play elementalist build

and just do perma 150k dps all game

like the good ol days

the tier set is inane

insane

[mild thunder]

super cringe for us... ive got an arms warrior up my ass all game trying to trap through banner, lasso, thunderstorm, grounding with an rdruid that refuses to show his face beyond dropping treants

and arms is absolutely unkiteable

unless i wanna afk at pillar

[modern pilot]

out of all the war comps next patch

[sharp meteor]

Had the weirdest final queue session where we lost to a bunch of melee cleaves then ate all the casters.

[modern pilot]

i think turbo is the best, but you need a good enhance

ret war if u cant find good players

[sharp meteor]

There's oddly few enh players.

[mild thunder]

ret/warr will probs be best again

enh is getting very few changes to bring it up from where it already is

and it's just kinda worse than ret/warr

still good

just not ret/warr

[modern pilot]

yea i think the main thing is that tier set

i adds cdr to primo wave

[mild thunder]

ret tier set is very good

[modern pilot]

so they have perma lust

oh i havent seen

[mild thunder]

enh tier they use right now is incredibly strong

10.2 tier is probably a loss for pvp because it's less burst

[modern pilot]

arms tier seems really good at first glance too>

?

[mild thunder]

yup

[modern pilot]

unholy dk tier set was about to be so cracked

legit 40k dps from npcs all game

[mild thunder]

uhdk is also getting huge buffs

[modern pilot]

but then they shadownerfed magus by 50% baseline

i think unholy dk will be good

[elfin surge]

ye it good

[modern pilot]

prolly abusing aug

i think hprist pi will be insane dmg too

[mild thunder]

it'll pretty much just be the same meta as rn until they do some serious tuning a few weeks into the season

[modern pilot]

esp if unholy assualt is 20% dmg amp in pvp

[mild thunder]

none of the top specs are getting nerfs

most are getting buffs

[modern pilot]

oh yea like the 90% extra armor on lock xD

[elfin surge]

[modern pilot]

hold up tho

what about dh war

forgot about dh for a sec

what if the meta becomes such a cleave fest

that ret dh is better than ret war

like the safeguard changes seem kinda eh when the dh just cleaves ur whole team to death all game

doing straightup 150k dps

mvq prolly does 200k dps

healthbars are like 800k-1mil

[mild thunder]

eh, doubt dh will be that amazing

maybe tho

no fodder

[modern pilot]

true ture

i wonder if u can run dh war

[mild thunder]

even if they take that absorb talent it'll get giga-nerfed in pvp very quickly

[modern pilot]

since dh just takes absorb

yea has to

its like 150k absorb shield lol

dh war nothing dies lol

man

i really wish dk cleaves were still a thing

those were the days

[mild thunder]

dk comps are so cringe now

dh/demo, dh/aug

[modern pilot]

it feels like every other melee just plays better with eachother

[mild thunder]

play ebola

[modern pilot]

maybe its actually good next patch tho no meme

if ret war erases shadowplay from the meta

im curious to see what warlock armor looks like tho

maybe splay just tanks all ur dmg in the middle of the arena

[frank knoll]

Ohh yeah didn’t they buff warlock armor

[modern pilot]

1million hp. 35% wall to physical dmg

[elfin surge]

my healer wants to

[modern pilot]

i feel like it has to be good

the dh's are sleeping on the blade dance shield

but dk war was decent in shadowlands for example

dh war*

the only downside was that dh just died after war used utility

btw the warlock armor without the demon skin change is 21.72 vs the pvp dummy

and then 34.52

[elfin surge]

dh getting reworked

which means no pvp testing on it

which means broken out the gates

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[mild thunder]

when sv rework

[sharp meteor]

DH/Rogue broken initially, Monk broken in the mid season patch, probably?

[mild thunder]

hunter before monk

[wheat jay]

you know who has dh on the ready?

ME

wanna play?

[elfin surge]

revzxy

[wheat jay]

time to ditch kargish

[mild thunder]

he cant, he's playing sv kfc with me

[wheat jay]

better play diamond ice

[mild thunder]

he's one of those

[wheat jay]

he is

[mild thunder]

cant be worse than my feral giving precog as i trap

[sharp meteor]

Had a jungle do that like 3 times the other day The poor Hunter

[mild thunder]

dude

today

we were versing an hpal team

and my feral gave precog the MILISECOND my silence was ticking over

the silence was gonna break the cast

so he gave precog, then got searing glared cause i couldnt stop

game went like 30s longer than it should have

[sharp meteor]

Oh no.

[mild thunder]

gonna start precogging his clones out of spite

worst part is he wont care because they get that dumb buff anyway

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay do we know if the new fel barrage continues during cc?

Like if I’m stunned does it just keep going until out of fury

[wheat jay]

no idea

but 99% im rolling dh for pve

[frank knoll]

Rolling Ret

[torpid nexus]

noob question here. what talents do you guys find best for battlegrounds as fury

or is there some other talent builds i dont know

[wet pollen]

Anyone got advice on how to beat augs? I keep running into them in all my shuffle matches.

[fallen estuary]

just kill them

[simple rock]

swap on blistering scales

if aug has a brain and binds you will not kill them

[lavish quest]

Just remind them they're a no brain gecko

Critical blow

[west mural]

imho i play aug, swap on blistering scales and just like on any other class pressure

problem is it has a few defensives and if u don't swap enough he will have them again

also, if u train the aug ineffectively u will die cause the real dps comes from the other dps

like if u play against destro aug, do not let that destro cast

ever

the matches i lose are the matches in wich the other dps can't function

u also might wanna dodge the duration of ebon might , ezer said than done in SS

granted, i just made that aug and am already 1700 in a few matches

[rotund trellis]

Anyone coming to blizzcon?

[simple rock]

hoping to see MUD on the big stage at blizzcon

[wet pollen]

If I’m 2k in shuffle for both fury and arms, which is better to push for 2100?

[tribal wedge]

arms

better kill potential

[sharp meteor]

the one you're better at

also arms lmao

[fallen solar]

I really need that damn Bakar companion to compete with these try hards in world PvP

Is it a rare drop to get that companion? And what renown lvl you need?

[thick reef]

Max Maruuk basically

For buffs and shit

[fallen solar]

Got damn

What’s the best way to do that

Dailies?

[thick reef]

Basically

They need to bring back tabards ffs

[fallen solar]

Got hit by a 350k mortal strike and 200k overpower and that’s just insane

I wanna hit those numbers

😢

Followed by the one shot

Bakar

Basically if you see a guy with 6 lines of buffs, run away

I did outplay one of them tho on my ele

Got lucky

[rotund trellis]

he playing?

[violet fossil]

ah that explains the disc priest that was soloing everyone

[fallen solar]

Telling ya man. You are a god when you got that little puppy and the buffs

[green sequoia]

Ret/war should be solid next season right?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[lavish quest]

Sounds like I need to find a great ret and buy a fw

[ivory moth]

hi guys, can someone tell if warior still needs 20% haste for pvp ? or whats the reason behind it

[lavish quest]

Mud seesm to know the market

[lavish quest]

15-20%, can go higher if you want

Why? Bleed dmg and shorten gcd

[ivory moth]

well i herad 20% is prefered by a lot of class who benefits from another secondary stats

[mild thunder]

ok yep mm is gonna destroy next season

@wheat jay im gonna learn mm

[lavish quest]

Sniper shot, rapid fire, aimed shot, just press those you'll be fine

[mild thunder]

it's more about learning better ranged positioning and stuff, but thanks

[wheat jay]

Stay melee

Cast rapid fire

Done

[lavish quest]

Aren't you learning that as sv? Essentially a ranged

[mild thunder]

eh, i play very melee as sv

[ivory moth]

@lavish questso is it better to go like 30% vers and the rest haste? or splite haste msatery

[lavish quest]

Verse to 30% > Haste = Mastery > Don't even think about using crit

Haste and mastery is both good, haste just speeds up the rotation and adds more bleed dmg, different warriors use different haste percentages

Some stick to 15% then dump into mastery

Others go as high as like 27%

Just use what feels good for you, and everything else mastery

Crit is utter trash

[wheat jay]

Survi is doing most dmg in melee

[lavish quest]

Do they?

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

Wouldn't know, never see them there

[ivory moth]

why 27% ? 27 mean how much gcd ?

[mild thunder]

do you see many sv at all? lmao

[lavish quest]

Well no, but that might be because if they're 80 yds away, they might be in the match and me still not seeing them

[mild thunder]

well if they're 80 yds away they may as well be afk

[wheat jay]

Aye

You do max dmg in melee, your big hitting abilities put you in melee too

CA

Flanking strike

[lavish quest]

Some like pressing lots of buttons, lots of MS, lots of rend dmg

[wheat jay]

Next season survi will play fote which is melee too

Mongoose bite is the highest dps ability too

[lavish quest]

Ngl, I barely know how they work because playing it feels horrible imo

[mild thunder]

well, you wont really have to be in melee to use fote... you can just pop it from ranged for the extra bomb + dmg and then go back to ranged stuff

[lavish quest]

At least when I tried it in legion

[mild thunder]

the spec was completely different in legion lol

[lavish quest]

Well that's when it got reworked into what it is now, had such a bad impression never bothered to look at it again

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-trash-can-hide-jump-to-trash-gif-12324630

[mild thunder]

yea, the spec was essentially reworked again, because it was completely different in legion

[wheat jay]

Fote dmg is good tho

[mild thunder]

it's not. its more dmg to just spam MB

[wheat jay]

If all goes well, you'll just do fote into killshot

Cuz its going to be faster or better than mb>ks

Fote is 25k or more per tick

Mb is 60k?

[mild thunder]

60kish, ye

[wheat jay]

Nearly same dmg

So if you could get a channel into instant killshot, that's gonna be the best use of it

[mild thunder]

but MB can also crit for 80kish

[wheat jay]

Its about getting the next global to be ks imo

[mild thunder]

only situation you'll ever really wanna channel fote is into 2+ targets imo

but idk, maybe im wrong

doubt it, but maybe

[wheat jay]

We'll see

I see the scenario as getting chakrams, explosive, fote, and killshot when explosive pops

Especially when there's 2nd player

You'll want that killshot ready on the fly, not spend a global on mongoose

[mild thunder]

well one thing im not sure about is whether the fote buff is dynamic or if it snapshots

and that will change a lot

but i cba testing it atm

[wheat jay]

Either way, i think we'll channel fote and cancel it with killshot if it comes up

Its not pve where you can still fit in every global

Gotta make it all count

[mild thunder]

yea, but you have more important globals than fote

you didnt even mention flanking, which is one of our hardest-hitting abilities

[wheat jay]

Flinking which we'll probably use to get melee to use fote

And it wont reset it instantly either

[mild thunder]

ehhhh, nah that sounds like major waste of burst

you have harpoon, CA and disengage to already get in melee

[wheat jay]

Waste of ca imo

[mild thunder]

ye most of the time, but id rather use harpoon or disengage than waste flanking

flanking alone does 100k+ right now

without critting

[wheat jay]

Waste?

How?

You do your combo

Meaning healer is in cc

You explosive shot

You flank

You fote

That's the most dmg you can do

[mild thunder]

you're not buffing flank by tier set

[wheat jay]

If you harpoon, you dont do 100k with flanking, meaning you waste a global

7% crit chance 7% crit dmg

Fuckall really

[mild thunder]

unnerf it in pvp blizz

[wheat jay]

Everything is nerfed

Anyway, flanking after fote is dumb

When it also reduces cd on flanking

[mild thunder]

tbf 7% crit chance can turn into 180%ish dmg real quick

[mild thunder]

if you channel it, and even then it only gets reduced to 15s, not like you're bursting with it twice

[wheat jay]

Crit dmg is 150% now

[mild thunder]

yea but sv does an additional 30% or so with talents and new tier

bit less

[wheat jay]

30%?

Where you getting those numbers lol

[mild thunder]

25% with master marskman, 7% with tier

[wheat jay]

Master marksman is a dot tho

Not pure crit dmg

[mild thunder]

yea? over 6 seconds lol

[wheat jay]

Still a doy

[mild thunder]

that's a very short dot, absolutely helps your burst

not like it's spread over 20s

[wheat jay]

It does, but still a dot

[mild thunder]

yea? a dot based on your crits

it's extra crit dmg

[wheat jay]

Yep, remember what always crits?

During fote?

[mild thunder]

IF you dump extra points into fote, otherwise no it wont always crit

[wheat jay]

Which you most likely will

[mild thunder]

and im hesitant to say that's what we'll be doing

[wheat jay]

Cuz its good dmg

[mild thunder]

less dmg than spamming mongoose bite

[wheat jay]

Does it still do less if we include master marksman?

[mild thunder]

yes

[wheat jay]

[mild thunder]

because it does less in pve where crit dmg is 200% lmao

[wheat jay]

In pvp you play diff talents and get 100% value from mongoose stacks

That's literally your main goal

You very rarely see 5 stacks in pvp

[mild thunder]

? dude the core builds for pve and pvp are the exact same

[wheat jay]

100% mongoose value

Mongoose stacks like crazy

But in pvp you dont rly get that full effect

[mild thunder]

you dont really care about mongoose bite stacks that much in pve... even if you're starting an MB window it's better to cancel fote

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz you want to fit as many buffed mongoose bites into fote buff window

Still all about stacks of it in pve

[mild thunder]

i can see you channeling fote long enough to get a bomb charge back, and then canceling it

so you can take advantage of tier rq

[wheat jay]

Fote into killshot

That's going to be my main objective

If i cant killshot, then other abilities

[mild thunder]

yea, that's just everything you do already

you're always aiming to killshot

[wheat jay]

Our whole argument is about you saying you cancel fote to mb

[mild thunder]

if im popping chakrams > explosive > flanking im gonna hold the flanking if i can killshot

but i cant always do that

[wheat jay]

I say you dont

[wheat jay]

Huh?

But you fit flanking before explosive shot pops

[mild thunder]

no?

[wheat jay]

I don't understand you sometimes

[mild thunder]

you fill the explosive window with something else... bombs, MB w/e

and flanking on the explosive pop

[wheat jay]

Or flanking for more burst in your burst window?

[mild thunder]

usually, not always

[wheat jay]

And when it explodes insta killshot

[mild thunder]

but you're not? im shortening the burst window by doing more dmg in less time

less time for them to react

[wheat jay]

If you know it will being someone to exe range

You just reduce your own dmg wtf

[mild thunder]

how? i dont have dead globals lol

[wheat jay]

You gotta fit the most dmg in trap window

Chakrams explosive flanking are highest dmg abilities

And that usually brings someone to exe range

If you hold flanking and use bomb that does 1/3 of its dmg

Then you reduce your burst

Only other global that can slap that dmg is 10 stacks of lethal injection mb

[mild thunder]

what? im still using all the exact same burst, im just consolidating the burst window so they have less time to react to the same damage

[wheat jay]

And you cant killshot after explosive cuz you used flanking, gotta wait a global

[mild thunder]

and ngl half the time you dont need killshot because they're dead already

[wheat jay]

Small difference between it all ngl

Aight imma go shower so I'll end it with warriors just having to slap ms and execute

Done

0 wrinkle gameplay

[mild thunder]

you dont understand how complex it is

too big-brain for us

[fallen estuary]

poop

[mild thunder]

TL;DR i can do 300k burst in 2 globals, you can do it in 3 globals... small difference, but i do think it matters sometimes

actually that's incorrect, we both do it in 2 globals but i say mine is more unpredictable for the enemy team/harder to react to

[wheat jay]

True, mine is better for securing killshots, your's to get more dmg at once

[mild thunder]

that's probably fair

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-winnie-the-pooh-scholar-gif-27322496

average survival disagreement

https://tenor.com/view/savages-pocahontas-gif-5458002

average arms disagreement

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[west mural]

played 3 ss in a row , in each 3 of them ret paladins won 5 or more games

[wheat jay]

They just played better

It is what it is

[mild thunder]

reminds me of the 4 ret pala shuffle lobbies i played last ssn

[west mural]

also, i've never had so many rogues in my shuffle as i do when i play evoker

i'd take rogues as warrior any day

not that they are anoying to play against but that they useless when i play aug

[pine pine]

I play both ret and arms and honestly a well played arms should smoke a ret entry time tbh

[west mural]

that;s all nice and dandy, i played an evoker and it was just an observation about re win rate

and fistweaver-ret-any other melee is just absurd

played with mage as shaman vs a ret that stood in the middle of map rooted 80% of the game and he matched the dps of the mage

it's not even funyn

wanna see a warrior do that

[mild thunder]

warriors dont sit roots

[west mural]

they don't do enough dmg vs a mage like a paladin does

roots , not roots, helicopters

[mild thunder]

skill issue

phys dmg deletes mages

[west mural]

ye it's skill issue for sure when the retri just sits and sometimes does some dmg but that's ALOT

[lavish quest]

warrior sits root all the times

[low cobalt]

is warrior in 10.2 worth coming back to wow pvp?

[west mural]

i wonder what a skilled ret does

[mild thunder]

bladestorm is like a 30s CD

[sharp meteor]

What did he mean by this

As if Warr hasn't been worth playing for all of DF

[mild thunder]

is arms fotm enough for a free push?

to which the answer is almost always yes lol

[west mural]

play and see, who can say atm?

[mild thunder]

anyone that currently plays the game can say

[low cobalt]

is the class good enough that I can be bad and never practice and get glad?

[mild thunder]

yes

[wheat jay]

Yes

[low cobalt]

im in

[west mural]

yea sure u can predict how blizz will balance things out

[wheat jay]

You can predict things yes

[west mural]

not like they won't patch atleast 3 classes xD

[low cobalt]

can finally add gladiator to my linkedin

[wheat jay]

They wont patch your utility

[mild thunder]

imma add it to my resume

[west mural]

why not just play ret or hunter

save yourself the wait

[mild thunder]

because warrior is just as good or better lol

[wheat jay]

And easier

[low cobalt]

that new shout pvp talent looks fun

👀

[mild thunder]

arms getting broken shit in 10.2

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[low cobalt]

shit i thought u guys were memeing but venrukis lastest vid about the patch is just arms warrior too strong for first 3 and a half minutes lol

[mild thunder]

it's already a top-tier spec getting 2 broken new pvp talents, dmg buffs and a massively improved tier set

[low cobalt]

😂

[mild thunder]

the biggest issue is really just that the barrier-to-entry is super low on arms... it takes like a week of solid play to become very, very good

[low cobalt]

ok i guess im just really bad lol

so many support stuff to keep track of to me as arms

[mild thunder]

people care a lot less when strong specs are also relatively hard to play, like sv or feral or something

[fossil mortar]

Just sharpen when enemy is losing health and you do dam

GG ez

[low cobalt]

see this is what i always thought lol but realized actual high iq arms play is like 80% support 20% doing dam

i think

[mild thunder]

arms utility is pretty easy to use... there's no real expectation or requirement to be pre-using very often anymore

[fossil mortar]

You only doin 20% dam dang

[mild thunder]

just intervene when allies low, banner when you think there might be cc coming

rally when everyone low

[low cobalt]

what do u mean "anymore", it didn't used to be that way?

[mild thunder]

not much to think about beyond that

[low cobalt]

well now with berserker shout affecting team mates and the new shout pvp talent isn't there more

i haven't played in like a year

[mild thunder]

no one runs zerker shout ngl

intervene when allies low
banner when cc coming
rally when everyone/2 people are low
disarm CDs
bladestorm during burst

you're now a gladiator

[low cobalt]

hahahahaah

🫡

i can't wait

[mild thunder]

intervening kidneys and stuff literally only matters into rmp, which you barely see below like 2600 anyway

[clear sparrow]

boys

what race should i play

[mild thunder]

or thug and fmp, which are dead comps

[clear sparrow]

no way we rocking with the gnome right

[mild thunder]

aesthetics tier list

racials dont matter

[clear sparrow]

kinda ig

i feel like warrior it doesnt matter that much ig

[mild thunder]

racials dont matter unless you're r1/playing in tourneys or playing nelf on stealth specs

[clear sparrow]

yeah

but idk, like for me i always feel like wanting to play most optimal race but ur right

[mild thunder]

you'll get more mileage and have more fun playing something you think looks good

[clear sparrow]

truee

but than i look at LB

and see everyone for example play NELF mage

and it gives me the feeling i didnt make right choice uk

[mild thunder]

ye, it's just bait tho

it's never gonna be the reason you're losing a game

[clear sparrow]

not at my mmr that's for sure

but i feel like nelf racial on mage can win you games

at like 2600+

[mild thunder]

even at r1, i doubt anyone's thinking "if i played nelf we wouldve won and there was nothing else for me to do"

[clear sparrow]

true tbh

thx

[mild thunder]

most people dont use smeld properly anyway tbh

[clear sparrow]

yeah tbh

[sharp meteor]

Nah that def happens

what never happens is "dang i wish i was nightborne there"

[mild thunder]

ok nah let me clarify... it's never a situation in which the ONLY solution to losing a game is racials

[sharp meteor]

o ya but it can set you ahead a dr/go, right

[mild thunder]

it can be a huge part of the game at that level

[sharp meteor]

like if you scuff their setup

with your 2m cd

vs having a dead racial

with no potential

[mild thunder]

but it's never a "we lost the game because im X race" it's "the way this game went, X racial made the difference"

[sharp meteor]

i mean yeah that's more than enough reason to always play good race

[mild thunder]

but there's probably already lots of small things that have added up to that moment

[sharp meteor]

disable racials in pvp they're cringe p2w

[mild thunder]

not for the people asking which race is bis in this channel

if you're r1, yes

[sharp meteor]

only female orcs and humans with engi goggles disagree

[clear sparrow]

blud thinks im an awc player

[mild thunder]

some racials are really fun and rewarding, like smeld

[clear sparrow]

there's way more mistakes im gonna make that race isn't gonna carry me out

[sharp meteor]

"dude racials don't even matter" -some nerd who only plays the 2-3 meta races

probably race changed 5 chars to dark iron last season

[mild thunder]

is fem orc still meta?

[sharp meteor]

with real money

[clear sparrow]

i can see orc making a return tbh

[mild thunder]

i play w/e is sexiest, that happens to be fem nelf and usually fem human

i hate the human racial because i hate only being able to use on stuns

so i mostly ignore it tbh

[clear sparrow]

yeah same

thats why im nelf on mage

[mild thunder]

plate - fem human
mail - fem nelf
leather - fem nelf
cloth - fem human

bis race list

[clear sparrow]

i only play male tbh

wish nelf male wasn't so goofy

[sharp meteor]

male nelf most bungled model ever

always look awkward and awful

[mild thunder]

sways too much

[sharp meteor]

so close to being okay/good

[mild thunder]

run is very... not masculine

[clear sparrow]

posture is so weird

[green sequoia]

Fuck it be gnome female all the time lol

[clear sparrow]

playing gnome is crazy

idc how good that race is

[lavish quest]

Dude his summary of the warrior changes omitted the ignore pain nerfs lol

[mild thunder]

that's because the IP nerfs dont matter

[green sequoia]

I do it for laughs….. “yea bitch you got killed by a tiny”

[clear sparrow]

short and deadly

[sharp meteor]

Idk it's less funny when it's bis race.

[mild thunder]

gnomechomsky, bis name for a gnome

or peepeeslicer

[clear sparrow]

lmao

[mild thunder]

toestabber

[green sequoia]

Eh when you don’t care for racials but for looks lol

I made my sham kul tiran just for dad bod and super punch people around

[clear sparrow]

what makes gnome so good tho i dont get

like its always had that racial

[mild thunder]

root break every 60s

[clear sparrow]

did they change time?

[mild thunder]

it's always been a solidly A tier race for warr, but human and orc have fallen off

so gnome jumps up

[clear sparrow]

def gonna see a lot of rogues in 10.2

[clear sparrow]

fair enough

[mild thunder]

dark iron will be bis if we see assa meta again, but we wont

[sharp meteor]

off global root break

[fossil mortar]

I still call meld S tier, as it just does so much

[sharp meteor]

plus storm plus avatar

warr needs uptime

gnome helps with that

[fossil mortar]

Why gnome, when you can OF on a 20sec CD?

[clear sparrow]

ig

might just make gnome honestly

kinda funny icl

[mild thunder]

smeld can be crazy, but the way most people use it is D tier

[cursive pike]

I have a question about warrior arms, what should I look for? versa critico or versa haste?
Every site I check recommends different stats.

[fossil mortar]

Saved me more times I can count. Sharpen, I am out of luck? Meld. Other warr will 9/10 cases hit something else as he presses that button

[vapid tartan]

30% vers > haste >= mast forget crit

some like more haste some like more mast mostly pref

[tender pond]

Hey, why are top rated Arms Warrios runnging Critical Thinking (4% talent). Over something like Fatality and or Skullsplitter?

[mild thunder]

skullsplitter bad

fatality good when no hpal

[tender pond]

hmmm

[mild thunder]

but there's a lot of hpal

[tender pond]

Why is Skullsplitter bad? I run it and it's DMG feels great for a POP

[vapid tartan]

after its been nerfed not really worth the talents

[mild thunder]

it's not and a good sks requires annoying optimisation

[tender pond]

Maybe I need to try out the Critical thinkingthing

Does it?

I just run normal mastery gear

like all other top wars

[mild thunder]

why bother setting 4 globals up for a good sks when you can keep pressing 70k mortals and overpower

[vapid tartan]

you have to refresh bleeds and use it under recklessness for the most use

[mild thunder]

also ye

no one runs wlt anymore

bmt is way, way better

[tender pond]

bmt?

[mild thunder]

blademasters torment

[tender pond]

So, I shouldn't run Skullsplitter, and only use Fatality when there's no hpal? So, I should chill with that Critical THinking talents? for the crit/rage refund?

Because I'm still confused on how, 4% crit / rage refund on execute. Is better than Fatality

[vapid tartan]

fatality becomes useless if it doesnt go off at full stacks

[mild thunder]

bop and bubble delete fatality stacks

so it's just useless into hpal

[tender pond]

Yea ik immunes fuck it

[mild thunder]

not useless, but not as good

[tender pond]

But tbh, with testing myself in 2.2k+ matches

Skullsplitter feels real nice

Am I not understanding something?

[mild thunder]

it's just not worth the setup

[tender pond]

You keep saying setup or w/e

but nothing changes in my dmg besides just pressing skulsplitter

[west mural]

u have to reapply rend and mortal strike

[mild thunder]

apply bleeds before pandemic to get max duration > sks > reapply bleeds

why bother when you can spend those globals on ms/op

and get extra bladestorms from bmt

[vapid tartan]

imo feels nicer to just put the points into fatality and exe talents, makes finishing out games easier

[tender pond]

Yea, but you reapply bleeds by just pressing MS and TClap

So it's not that big. Plus it's huge DMG Pop to scare people to force def

[mild thunder]

it's not that huge

[near delta]

All the top arms warrs on the NA ladder are running it besides Laros

[mild thunder]

and it makes you easier to shut down

[tender pond]

How does it make it easier to shut me down?

[mild thunder]

less bladestorms

[tender pond]

wym?

[mild thunder]

no

[tender pond]

Is there something im missing to hot get more bladesotrms?

[vapid tartan]

murlok has 46/50 in shuffle, 42/50 3s

using bmt

[tender pond]

OMG

[near delta]

Gala just says things sometimes

[tender pond]

you're right

[mild thunder]

what im saying is right lol

and i just showed it

[tender pond]

Dude, I forgot spening rage lowers Bladestorm CD