pvp

[mild thunder]

combat is perfectly serviceable (still better than a ton of more popular games), main-story is good, world-building + side-content is far and away the best in the genre

[wheat jay]

Full sword, signs, alchemy, grenades, crossbow

[mild thunder]

alchemy build players are ultimate cringe

[wheat jay]

Map is not empty too

[mild thunder]

red + blue builds are giga

[wheat jay]

Plenty of stuff to find

Red blue bis

[bright stream]

Thats an inciteful comment. The world building/story content is no where near the best in the genre.

[wheat jay]

Grenades tho

[mild thunder]

it's not even remotely close. side-content and worldbuilding is literally what sets the witcher apart

[bright stream]

Elden Ring is what people say the Witcher is

[wheat jay]

Elden ring, game with 0 story?

[mild thunder]

😐

[wheat jay]

With easy combat

[mild thunder]

yea ok

nah

[bright stream]

Nah the detacted from reality hype is what sets it apart

[wheat jay]

That's dodge and hit?

[mild thunder]

souls fans always have the most delusional takes

[wheat jay]

Dodge hit

Dodge hit

Dodge hit

[bright stream]

Exposition isnt story. Eldren ring has a very in depth story.

[mild thunder]

elden ring doesnt have a story, it has a world

it has lore

it doesnt have a story

[wheat jay]

Ye, and you need YouTube and Wikipedia to understand it in the slightest

Cuz nothing is directly told to players

[mild thunder]

witcher 3 has a strong story, tons of side-content and still tons of in-depth lore, political overtures, social commentary etc.

[bright stream]

And none of that means much because its adapted from a book. And the book/story is mediocre.

[mild thunder]

witcher 3 is the sopranos of rpgs

[bright stream]

The gameplay sucks Im sorry

I know it hurts to hear

But its true

[wheat jay]

Combat in elden ring is mid as fuck, the only variety it offers is different weapons, only good bosses were godfrey and malenia

[mild thunder]

souls fan detected = opinion rejected ngl

[bright stream]

Bro theres so many sick bosses in ER

[mild thunder]

souls fans are just repurposed fifa fans spending $100 on the same game re-skinned every few years

[wheat jay]

Ye, malenia

[bright stream]

Theres like 1 main problem with ER

Which is the damage/health scaling

[wheat jay]

Malenia was the only boss that was genuinely fun

[bright stream]

Players output way too much damage relative to boss health

[mild thunder]

mid af graphics, no story, mediocre combat, smaller world, boring boss fights, less interesting worldbuilding...?

[bright stream]

So if you optimize even slightly by late game you just churn through most bosses

[wheat jay]

And felt different because she can stop her combos mid-way and start a different chain of attacks

Nah graphics are good in elden ring

[mild thunder]

graphics are mid

[wheat jay]

Good

[mild thunder]

cool sky-box =/= good graphics

good graphics is Ghost of Tsushima or Forbidden West

[bright stream]

Technically speaking the graphics in ER>>w3

You might not like the style

[mild thunder]

because it's a 7 year older game lmao

[bright stream]

But they are objectively better

[mild thunder]

ofc the graphics are better

[bright stream]

Yeah

[wheat jay]

I still think er is boring in terms of combat

[mild thunder]

but relative to their time, witcher 3 graphics are vastly superior

[wheat jay]

Its a memory game

Learn pattern by heart, kill boss

[mild thunder]

imagine going from a game with these kinda graphics to elden ring 🤡

[wheat jay]

Then there's annoying big bosses, aka dragons, where the main boss is the camera angle xD

I gotta Play horizon at some point

[mild thunder]

yea same... 1st game was one of the coolest game experiences ive ever had

GoT graphics were so absurdly next-level tho, game was beyond gorgeous with the absolute best exploration mechanics and smoothest combat

it got pretty easy toward the end, esp once you unlock some of the special moves and OP passives, but you can just self-nerf

[wheat jay]

Self nerf in withcer 3 fam

Set lvl to 100 in NG+

No quen

Good luck

[mild thunder]

i need to do a w3 replay

also dude, the music in that game

[wheat jay]

Yep

Btw, graphics mods

[mild thunder]

yea ive seen some sick graphics mods, but even the base game looks pretty good now with the soft remaster

all elden ring did was delay martin even more from finishing fucking GoT

[wheat jay]

Oh right the remaster added some quests

Gotta give that a try

[mild thunder]

yea also added some new armor sets, including a sick ass samurai-looking set

[wheat jay]

Anyway, 2am, cya

[mild thunder]

ciao

[bright stream]

Thats the crux of modern video game boss design. The alternatives are bullet sponges. What are you even talking about?

[mild thunder]

elden ring bad

[bright stream]

Mr Chad I feel like your youth has misled you.

Elden Ring is so good

Did you like BG3?

[mild thunder]

im not 50, sorry

i dont play turn-based games lmao

[fallen estuary]

Still have addons from shadowlands lmao

[mild thunder]

ok ive finished wow

ultimate endgame

im done

retiring

[fallen estuary]

Whats the image? I see nothing but a action bar

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-wink-pepe-wink-gif-18805786

[west mural]

best rpg out there is still gothic 2 notr

[mild thunder]

oblivion*

[west mural]

it;s not an rpg if your character has a set personality like in withcer

morrowind>skyrim>oblivion

but it's good ye

[mild thunder]

it... is? you're playing a role, but it's a set role

[west mural]

not as good

[mild thunder]

you still have choices, can impact events, make decisions etc.

[mild thunder]

sure, but it's still an rpg lol

[west mural]

the nameless character that dies from a bug > big bad boy with sword

[mild thunder]

it just allows them to create a better, more character-driven story

[west mural]

from insect to god

ye i get it it works but it's like reading a novel

[mild thunder]

ye?

omg nooo this game is like book, soo badddd

[west mural]

like i remember when u start in morrowind u run slower than people walk

and after some time u fly and destroy everything

from 0 to god

the game that rly surprised me these past years was alien isolation

for the feel sound and AI of the game it's 10/10

[stuck glen]

okay so pvp ain't as bad as i thought but now im stuck at 1599

how many rounds do i need to win to advance to 1600

[near delta]

Depends on what lobby you get, your current mmr, and which rounds you win but you can easily get it going 3-3 depending on the lobby.

So is fury looking like the move next season? That tier set looks ridiculously strong.

[mild thunder]

Nope

[pale minnow]

People are craving for fury huh?

[stuck glen]

Yeah it's beyond me. I don't understand it. 3 games at 3/3… rating unchanged, stuck at 1599 solo shuffle

[pale minnow]

Fury was lost to me since they removed bladestorm and furious charge

0 utility just brainless zugging

[pale minnow]

That's crazy man just by goimg in and bursting you get 2k at least, or you are unlucky or you are new to warrior which one?

[stuck glen]

I want to say unlucky, but I guess new to warrior pvp? I don't know

Doesn't make sense to me cause I got to 1599 ez

[near delta]

The damage looks absolutely massive

Less utility obvs

[mild thunder]

Tier sets are all nerfed in PvP

Tier procs have an ICD

Anni build is nerfed into the ground

Still squishy, still shut down for free, still no utility

Arms getting a 6% dmg buff plus an additional 10% to ms and op

[amber heron]

@mild thunder

Annihilator is feeling weak lately

How did they nerf it

[spice hornet]

Fury sucks

[amber heron]

Its decent with deathwish actually

If the enemy team has a weakaura for it ur fuuuuuuckkkked

[mild thunder]

not nerfed until 10.2, but they're giga-nerfing BT cooldown and reworking reckless abandon to 1 charge

[amber heron]

Damn

So no more ra

So just play anger managment

[mild thunder]

maybe, maybe not

AM probs better imo

[amber heron]

Its alreadycgood

[mild thunder]

ive been talking about AM for rb builds since 10.0

[amber heron]

I saw smexxin with this weird ass build

He runs like a weird 1h build

With it

[mild thunder]

smexxin a goofy mf

[amber heron]

I tried it tho i didnt like it at all

[mild thunder]

[amber heron]

With the fang adornments

Would be better

[mild thunder]

fury is the bm of warrior

[amber heron]

Nah

Its more skill

[mild thunder]

cap

simply by virtue of being a hunter, bm has a higher skill-cap

[amber heron]

U have to be really good with sticking to people

Bm is sleeper

Just barp shot

Literally just pressing barb

[near delta]

Smexxin can play literally anything lol

[amber heron]

No im serious with fang adonrmwnrs

It could be good

Bc ur swing time with 1h is faster i think

[amber heron]

What am i looking at

U died through?

They should make kidney shot have a longer cd

Or cheap shot

So they cant recheap u

I really dont like that about rogue gameplay

[mild thunder]

dead through turtle at 1.3s

[near delta]

I was seeing like 330k bloodbaths on PTR even with the 50% nerf the damage could be kinda nutty

Arms buffs should go hard tho

[near delta]

Good

[mild thunder]

screenshots or imma call cap

maybe if you're running death wish and hitting dumm

dummy*

but i can crit 250k on dummy right now, doesnt mean shit

[scarlet flame]

i wish i could huff that much cope bro

[mild thunder]

it's just true lol

[scarlet flame]

nah

[mild thunder]

bm has more utility/cc and therefore more responsibilities

[autumn heath]

Are arms warriors playing with skull splitter?

[simple rock]

no, it got nerfed after season 1 of DF

by a lot

[autumn heath]

Okay thanks. And what about hurricane / unhinged vs executioners precision?

[simple rock]

it comes down to preference usually

hurricane is harder to use

and it's very annoying sometimes because it locks you in bs so you can't peel at critical times

unhinged doesn't work vs some specs because of pets like demo/uh

[spice hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[spice hornet]

i like how they gut skullsplitter but apoc (and even dumber/easier version of skullsplitter) is allowed to exist

[magic wing]

I liked SS

for the week it worked lol

[spice hornet]

It chunked but I didn’t enjoy the rotation

[simple rock]

when every ele that signs up for my group on lfg is a fresh account low games played

[spice hornet]

Lol I cannot trust the spec anymore, even if they are not botting

[simple rock]

like i'm not trying to play with cheaters

have to be looking at how they play while i'm doing my own thing

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/andrej-finc-your-mum-gif-11130629

[mild thunder]

what's the CD of apoc?

now what's the CD of sks?

https://tenor.com/view/dovendyr-pepe-gif-21854353

[magic wing]

The instant burst of it was amazing

Also prenerf spear

[dense herald]

They should make unhinged hit plauers only in pvp

[mild thunder]

no

they'd have to then do that for all similar effects

some of that stuff is good for killing pets anyway

[wheat jay]

Make explosive shot undispellable

[mild thunder]

Nah

I like having to time it properly

They’d have to nerf the dmg if it was undispellable

[wheat jay]

Same as they nerfed ele oneshot?

[mild thunder]

You can’t expect sv to get Ele treatment

Be realistic bruh

[wheat jay]

I want survi to get arms treatment

Broken every season, best for every comp

[simple rock]

hey man

arms was bad in sl s3 and 4

[wheat jay]

Wasnt bad

Fury was just better

[magic wing]

How can anyone main a hunter is beyond me

[simple rock]

lol nah arms was not good

no one played it

except a few turbo r1 players

[wheat jay]

Oppenheimer survi hunter

[magic wing]

Having some dps tied to a dumbass pet is kinda lame

[mild thunder]

How anyone can main a warrior is beyond me (I did it for a decade)

[magic wing]

All 3 specs are Chadly

[mild thunder]

Cap

[magic wing]

All armor looks good

The best weapons

And so on

[mild thunder]

Arms isn’t even that chad anymore, it’s so braindead

Up the skill floor and it’ll be cool again

[magic wing]

Hunter is mail garbage can

[mild thunder]

I can use any weapon warriors can except maces - the worst ones

[magic wing]

And the mail shitty armor ? I know one good hunter set thats it

[mild thunder]

Warrior hasn’t had a good set since sinful

There’s one king of mogs and one king only, and his name is death knight

[magic wing]

Warrior has plenty iconic sets

War/mage/lock and lately priest

Other classes are subpar for sets

Maybe pala if you like all the sets looking the same

[mild thunder]

Warrior literally hasn’t had a good set since sinful

Dk hasn’t had a bad set since tomb of sarg

And that’s it, that’s the only one and that was still B tier

Have you seen the 10.2 dk set? Best thing they’ve ever made lol

[magic wing]

War had 2 good sets just this xpack

[mild thunder]

Ok chief

[magic wing]

Thats true for 10.2

[mild thunder]

Hurr durr me love rock + fire Hurr durr

[magic wing]

Rock elite looks good

[mild thunder]

10.1 set for warr is bulky in all the wrong areas and looks ass

[magic wing]

And the dragon set is unique

[mild thunder]

Uniquely shit

[magic wing]

Especially the white

DK till now had the best sets in Wotlk

[mild thunder]

10.0 dk? S tier
10.1 dk? S tier
10.2 dk? SS++ tier

[magic wing]

I agree on 10.2.

10.0. Looks ass not DK at all

And 10.1. Is solid A. Shitty color combos except elite

[mild thunder]

you're actually deluded

idk what else to say lol

[magic wing]

Youre just a sucker for glowy shitty armors

And thats ok

Ill main human dk for that new set tho

[fickle forge]

Man abandoned us

[wheat jay]

Oh right i forgot you couldn't play cuz you raged at shuffle and got aggressive on your keyboard

[simple rock]

locks and priests eating well this xpac

some banger sets

[magic wing]

Priest all around eating good

S+++ m+ spec

[simple rock]

eh I wouldn't wanna be an sp main this xpac

their gameplay completely changes every patch xD

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor how many days we got left bfore s2

Gonna grind tf outta keystones for le mount

[magic wing]

Atleast it stays fresh

As a fury main your rotation is steady 3 buttons

[simple rock]

oh for sure fury mains are glue eaters

but I've just heard a lot of sp mains complaining about how often it changes

[magic wing]

Arms is the perfect spec for both pvp and pve

Except m+ where its kinda ass

[simple rock]

played arms in pve casually just for ksm

it was fun

heard it's worse this season though

[magic wing]

Yeah the tier ruined the aoe rotation sorta

[silk mortar]

You got just under 2 weeks

Only 1 more reset tho

[elfin surge]

[frank knoll]

Tempted to suffer through playing DK just for this alone
The hunter set is pretty dope too, big dragons pauldrons

[wheat jay]

Only those

Rest of the set is ass xD

[frank knoll]

Naw warlocks good too

But yeah thats the downside to playing warrior next season, the ass looking set

[wheat jay]

No i meant rest of the pieces for Hunter xD

Overall sets are very good

They went full class fantasy with them

[frank knoll]

Jury is out on the pally set too

[mild thunder]

eh

dk and rogue tier sets are god tier

hunter shoulders are incredibly pog

rest of the sets are extremely meh imo

monk set is complete ass

warr set is complete ass

druid set is complete ass

[weak flower]

So me and my friend are still talking, he said he can play fury warr/surv hunter any recommendation for double dps? If we like pvp we Will focus on whats good instead

[wheat jay]

How can one person be so wrong?

[mild thunder]

bro

[weak flower]

Whats a good double dps with warr?

[mild thunder]

you have GOT to be capping rn

[wheat jay]

Have you seen it after 3d parts got fixed?

[mild thunder]

yes

[weak flower]

We are completely new to pvp

[mild thunder]

still looks horrendous lmao

[mild thunder]

none

[wheat jay]

Then you're cappin'

[mild thunder]

bruh

[wheat jay]

For 2s, none

[mild thunder]

you're actually deluded

[wheat jay]

For 3s ret is best

[weak flower]

Alright

Thanks

[wheat jay]

U dumb

[mild thunder]

no

u

[wheat jay]

U

[mild thunder]

🐢

U

BAD

it's so fucking goofy lmao

[frank knoll]

It’s ugly

You look like an insect

[mild thunder]

the neck-brace is wayy too big and poorly positioned, shoulders ride up a bit too high, gloves are too bulky, pants too bulky, legs poorly shaped, boots poorly shaped, belt is bland and bad...

dont even get me started on the colours lmao

[frank knoll]

I’m just hate how the helm looks

[mild thunder]

the ant helm kekw

the helm is shaped like that because it's designed for anencephalic children

[frank knoll]

Ehh

Looks bland

[mild thunder]

again bruh the neck-guard is wayyyy too big

[frank knoll]

Hate the shoulders too

[mild thunder]

and the shoulder blades way too long

plate armor peaked in sinful

we aint never going back

idk why they're so terrified of putting fur on plate sets

[frank knoll]

I like unchained plate

[mild thunder]

eh, boring

[frank knoll]

Winner of the clothies

[mild thunder]

probs warlocks worst set tbh

s1 lock was so goated

so sad i dont have this

[frank knoll]

Yeah I missed out on that one too

Just have the purple tint

[wheat jay]

Lmao, this + taeschelach

My daily mog

[mild thunder]

i just use current elite + a few randoms

gets the job done

[wheat jay]

F

[worthy fern]

What was sinful? The white sorta barb looking set?

[wheat jay]

Nathria

Full white set, 1st shadowlands season

[frank knoll]

Never could get Taeschelach:(

I think getting the headless horseman mount after like 2 tries used up all of my luck

[wheat jay]

I got mine back when it was current content, from lfr xD

[frank knoll]

Back when I had the time, i farmed it for a few months and then quit

[wheat jay]

F

Just solo it, get skip to it

[frank knoll]

Tusks of Mannoroth
Not even gonna try that one lol

.03% drop rate

[magic wing]

Tusk is a true warrior item

[frank knoll]

I’ve literally only seen like two people with them

[green anchor]

fucking warlocks and DKs getting the best looking sets all the time

[frank knoll]

Yeah too bad playing both of those is miserable for me

Immobile squishy classes

[spice hornet]

Our set is so lame, feels like they really missed the mark, the color scheme is kind of weird

I feel like they can salvage it if they make the helm look better

[sharp meteor]

Just under two weeks.

[thick reef]

I like the Fierce Gladiator's Felweave Armor for my warlock specially the chest/shoulders you can tmog Nice things with

[glacial shale]

wtf is this

which class set is that, pally ???

[sharp meteor]

Looks cringe/dorky so I guess Paladin.

[autumn heath]

Does anyone play arms in RBGs?

[magic wing]

Bland ? Id say trash

No anatomy at all

[glacial shale]

Ehhhh you guys are too

harsh*

you change a few elements here and there and it's a solid set

the issue is the color theme

[magic wing]

Looks like a lvling set

[green anchor]

It's like these S3 sets don't have a set style like the previous seasons

S1 were rocks+lightning

S2 were Dragon appearance based

S3 looks like random shit that came to their mind

[glacial shale]

They could have clearly done a fire/emerald dream setting

but...

[frank knoll]

I think they’re supposed to be like class fantasy based
But yeah the pally set is derpy

[glacial shale]

Which would be fine usually but it's done by ppl that have no time /played

like which warrior think this set

is peak warrior fantasy

[frank knoll]

My opinion
Winners: DK, Lock, Hunters, Shaman, Priest
Losers: Warrior, Pally
Everyone else meh

Idk, the helm and shoulders are horrible

Helm makes you look like a Bug man, shoulders are like some LFR shit

[glacial shale]

Helm and shoulders Imo are the strongest part bc atleast they have identity

the rest is just dumb bland shit

with chains

[atomic orchid]

Mage and DK are by far the best sets.

[elfin surge]

I do.

[magic wing]

We have a derpy set too tho

Juggernaut looking ass

[glacial shale]

32min queue

EU peak time on a reset day btw

[west mural]

solution is play healer/play with randoms/play with friends. Nothing u can do :(

[magic wing]

Game is at its worst atm

Wait till patch bro

[frank knoll]

Prevoker is actually a fun healer because ur basically a DPS

[west mural]

playing on schedule kinda ruins it

[frank knoll]

I hear disc is similar but seems hard, and every disc I run into in shuffle gets wrecked

[west mural]

don't dig disc priest with me, dig it vs me , it does dmg but idk it feels underwhelming

[nova dirge]

My bladestorm cancel aura macro isnt working. Did they disable it?

[pure hornet]

Works only with unhinged

[scarlet flame]

whats up with the boots

[nova dirge]

Is hurricane even worth running then?

[pure hornet]

Yes

Into dk

Pets absorb unhinged

No more free mortal strikes

[pure hornet]

Does my helmet looks crap?

[west mural]

worth if u don't get kited and use baldestorm just for that

good movement speed buff and str buff

[pure hornet]

Ye i like it too into mobile targets.

[nova dirge]

but if I cant cancel bladestorm to use pummel or execute then it seems really weak

[pure hornet]

And death sentence is way unerused

[nova dirge]

unless its best to let BS run its course

[pure hornet]

Just do some testings and see with you like better

[west mural]

ye, just test it vs certaint comps

unhinged is ass vs pets

[frank knoll]

I thought people didn’t use it because it was buggy

[pure hornet]

Dunno about buggy but creeped my way into mages/hunters with it from 1600 cr to 2000

Help into non melee stuff. Movespeed is more important than anything

[frank knoll]

Yeah i remember everyone running it season 1 of SL
And then the general consensus shifted to “Death sentence is trash”

I think because it got nerfed

[pure hornet]

Dont listen to what other people speak. Go with what works for you.

[urban skiff]

Death Sentence used to be good with condemn. I like it vs bad druids because that extra charge throws them off balance

[pure hornet]

Test everything.draw your own conclusions

[frank knoll]

Yeah I feel you
Usually I just run disarm,banner, sharpen by default

I run short BS a lot too

[pure hornet]

BS wayy better than disarm but just my opinion

[elfin surge]

unhinged is garbage!

[frank knoll]

Does the Death Sentence charge root?

[frank knoll]

Yeah but so do all of the others cause they’re nerfed

[pure hornet]

No

[frank knoll]

They need to just remove warbringer at this point

[elfin surge]

hurricane way better

I play 2 builds, 1 is a single target build with warlords torment and uses bladestorm purely for utility other is an AOE build that plays blademasters thunderclap and hurricane.

[frank knoll]

What capstone do you use in your ST build?

[elfin surge]

im not home rn

[lavish quest]

Honestly you could get rid of capstone and use precision

[elfin surge]

i see a lot of warriors perma play warbreaker and dont know how good blunt instruments is

[lavish quest]

Or fatality if they can't remove stacks

[frank knoll]

Yeah idk I’ve always played unhinged by default

[elfin surge]

say into rogue mage whats the purpose of warbreaker if sweeping can apply csmash and u now cannot miss it with a randomly times blink

[urban skiff]

funny how all the pvp tier lists are different depending on the streamer

At least they agree on arms in S-tier

[frank knoll]

Looks like Venruki’s since he has Ret as S tier

[urban skiff]

Ya nailed it

[frank knoll]

He stays complaining about Ret being Op

Moreso than warrior

[urban skiff]

does ret counter mage or something?

[frank knoll]

I think he just hates Ret/Warr idk

[elfin surge]

@frank knoll are u in game rn?

[urban skiff]

Who doesn't? It's good to be hated

[frank knoll]

“Ret/Warr players are delusional” he says that a lot

[frank knoll]

Naw I’m working onsite today

[elfin surge]

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJiGJBERhWkQSoJRQIARCAAAAAAAAJRiIgANEA

[urban skiff]

I don't trust mages on anything balance-related tbh. They've always had it good

[elfin surge]

this is my single target build, im not home to check if its correct but i find myself playing it more

i swear it farms

[frank knoll]

Bet

[magic wing]

do we even run rend at this point ?

[tribal wedge]

yep

[pale minnow]

100% there are trolls

doing this shit

[frank knoll]

I did that on my healer once

Spent like 20 mins doing it

[wheat jay]

Not rly wrong

[sharp meteor]

If I played healer I'd do it all day.

[frank knoll]

@sharp meteor what do u think of then Blood Dk set?

[sharp meteor]

Looks solid. Prot, too.

I actually have to look at secondaries because there's a chance crafted stuff is just better.

[pale minnow]

you know what I find autisticly overpowered?

clone

no cd no cost

i cannot say anything good about a boomie player

mage same

[coarse lance]

Wonder if fury gets shorter SS queue times becuase... less of them

[sharp meteor]

It's a bit much on Balance.

[near delta]

Was watching some pve peeps but might be terrible. Will have to see. P sure Mag is the only top tier person running fury now?

[fallen estuary]

NOOO

I DROPPED MY SPPOOOONNNNN

[raw summit]

you ever sit a 45 min q to find a prot warrior and a botted rshaman going 0-6

[pure hornet]

Yeah, not sure why Mag switched to fury

[pale minnow]

Raiku and Whaazz played mage warrior today 2.9kcr 3s

Was cool to see

[pure hornet]

Fury? Or arms

[mild thunder]

It’s nerfed in PvP tho…

[mild thunder]

Wtf is this tier list

[pale minnow]

Ww monk b tier

[dense herald]

Why is everything S tier

[mild thunder]

It’s gotta be a 10.2 tier list

But even then it’s ass

[pale minnow]

All locks s tier???

Idk about that

[blissful lagoon]

How big of a deal is arms tier? Been pushing and forgot to even think about getting tier sets. Is it worth it to push for 2400 or so?

[mild thunder]

Current season? Eh

Next season you definitely want it

Most people just run 2pc this season

[blissful lagoon]

I main Destro and never even think about tier. So I guess I won’t know either lol. Thanks!

[frank knoll]

He put Aff on S tier because of some nerfs other classes got. Like the hunter feign death nerf

[scarlet flame]

if every class is S tier then who cares lol

[near delta]

It's a 10.2 list

[mild thunder]

I’m still gonna say it looks mega ass

I don’t expect dh to be that good, even after the rework… same issue they have now, good dmg but even squishier

Fury defs not A tier

[near delta]

Whose just running 2pc?

[mild thunder]

Ww and mm will both probably drop off down to B tier, that’s fair

[frank knoll]

It was made by someone who isn’t stuck at 2300. I.e not you @mild thunder

[wheat jay]

Bm will probably skyrocket

[mild thunder]

This

[mild thunder]

You can be >2300 and still regarded

[near delta]

Venruki generally has a good idea of what's good

Supatease has the troll tier list

[mild thunder]

Idk whose tier list it is

No tier list really makes sense for pvp, because ranking it that way is just too simplistic

There are way too many variables depending on matchup, lobby, comp etc

[near delta]

Sure but you can generalize

[mild thunder]

Sure, but it won’t be particularly accurate

But tier list videos get clicks, so people make them

Wow content creation cycle is cringe as fuck ngl

[near delta]

Generally, venruki will do one for 3s and one for solo shuffle

[wheat jay]

Why do we still play this dogshit unbalanced game mode in an even more unbalanced game

[frank knoll]

Ven was kinda just throwing specs up there

“Yeah that’s probably gonna be S tier”

[wheat jay]

Dh gonna be s tier probably

[frank knoll]

People who’ve been playing on PTR say that

They say it’s actually tankier

[wheat jay]

Ye cuz its got a lot of changes

As well as its top tier dps in m+

With a lot of their dmg being aoe and passive

[frank knoll]

Getting a 120k absorb shield every time you blade dance

[wheat jay]

Tier set is also super strong

Ye that too

[frank knoll]

Plus all the damage it does

[wheat jay]

That's busted no matter how you name it

[frank knoll]

Yeah

Only downside is they have to give up the Mortal Strike

[wheat jay]

Then other specs that might be broken is maybe survi, because it gets good burst cooldown

But then again its got limited comps

Very limited

Will be even better in 2s tho

[frank knoll]

With all of the leech, 2min meta and the absorb thing. DH will be unkillable in BGs

[wheat jay]

Bm might be superior in 3s

Cuz of all the changes, and basically free aoe

What else

Rmp is always good

Arms is 100% going to be S tier

Fury is in a weird spot, will be either broken or dogshit

Mm iirc is getting gutted

[frank knoll]

Destro is gonna be insane too

[wheat jay]

I havent rly checked any lock specs

[frank knoll]

I feel like it’s gonna be final season BfA all over again

[wheat jay]

If ret is broken i might roll ret

[frank knoll]

Hearing about 500k chaos bolts

[wheat jay]

For easy welfare glad

[wheat jay]

Sooooo, same as always?

[frank knoll]

Destro tier is insane too
Yeah I’m leveling and honor capping my Ret for that reason alone

[wheat jay]

I'm not doing it yet, maybe i should level it up

Level up in prot, cap honor

Let it rot until i decide to roll it xD

It will probably be broken again

[frank knoll]

Yeah why not, ain’t shit else to do

[wheat jay]

Yep

I was leveling sham as well

Might just finish that too and get elite set

Since its 10/10, but mythic set is better xD

@fickle forge stop lurking you ccuunt

Since you failed your ret arc I'll have to fill the void

Whatever is meta I'll roll it next season

If we don't have time to play too much, we might as well roll what's busted

[fickle forge]

I never had a ret arc you monkey

[wheat jay]

You did

For one day

Then you rq

[fickle forge]

Ret is boring

[wheat jay]

Ever played warrior?

Same level of boring

[fickle forge]

The problem with ret is that it's not arms

[wheat jay]

True that

[near delta]

Were yall playing cupid? Lol

[wheat jay]

I have cool plate mogs tho which is cool

Survi/ret

We even played some meme games of ret warr, me being on warr

And ngl, ret warr feels like its piloting itself

[near delta]

Yup

[wheat jay]

Its that level of stupid

[near delta]

You just kinda win

[fickle forge]

Artji can't just sit down and master his surv hunter man

[wheat jay]

You dont need to do Anthony that requires correct gameplay

[wheat jay]

Excuse me

[near delta]

But also it's big brain cause you have to use your stuns at the same time lmao

[wheat jay]

You go play 20 minigames next time ok?

[near delta]

Or so they say

[wheat jay]

They lie, you dont need it

[near delta]

Nah I know I queued it last ssn

Was dumb af

[fickle forge]

All you do is watch when your dps hit their stun, then press HoJ

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge landing a trap against some comps is the most frustrating shit

[fickle forge]

It's small brain

[wheat jay]

Smooth like butter

[mild thunder]

Real

Thunder is so aids

Also versed double ele last night

Rip traps

[wheat jay]

Aight let me do some traps against holy priest with aug/ele

Oh wait i cant

Maybe diamond ice, sike they can immune it too

[mild thunder]

I’m usually pretty good with baiting fade/deaths

[fickle forge]

Skill issue

[wheat jay]

Fade/death is easy

Cuz they just use it all lmao

[mild thunder]

Rdruid sitting on treants is cringe

[near delta]

Are you rolling surv gala?

[wheat jay]

He is already surv lol

[near delta]

I mean running it

Not rerolling

[mild thunder]

Yea

[near delta]

Why not warr? Hmm

[mild thunder]

Have been most of the season now after I got 2k on my ww

[mild thunder]

Boring af

[pale minnow]

6 more wins and legend, imma shatter these chains off me, and won't even look at soloq till next season

[near delta]

After playing both quite a bit I kinda find monk more boring sorta

[mild thunder]

Ww is super braindead atm

[near delta]

Rotation feels more engaging but you have relatively little utility

Yeah

[mild thunder]

I agree with Eden - should be more like sub

[near delta]

Eh that was also toxic

Need a compromise

Blowing people up was hella fun tho

[mild thunder]

Why is ww unironically one of the tankiest specs kekw

[wheat jay]

Neuter monks

Fuck them

[near delta]

Cause we bitched about it forever lol

[fickle forge]

When is Artji rolling UDK

[wheat jay]

When I die

[near delta]

Until they overcorrected

[wheat jay]

Ngl id play Frost dk if it was unslowable

[mild thunder]

Something needs to give so they can be more unique

[wheat jay]

Which should be the case

[mild thunder]

Right now ww is just arms lite

[near delta]

Nah it's fury lite

[mild thunder]

Well fury is arms lite

[near delta]

Legit gonna have a higher apm than fury come 10.2

[mild thunder]

But yea it has arms playstyle but no utility

More dmg but can be cc’d

[near delta]

I started playing ww partially cause I'm prone to tendinitis

And then blizz was like fuck you press all the buttons

[mild thunder]

Yea ww is very spammy rn

Did you read the Babylonius write-up?

[near delta]

I did it was really goodb

Posted it in ww-pvp

[mild thunder]

Ye, hit on all my pain points

[near delta]

It's so funny to me fury is just gonna be running the pvp spec next tier

[mild thunder]

It’s a big issue with the new trees for a few specs..: so many forms of resource generation that it becomes irrelevant

And so. Many. Procs. On ww

[near delta]

Yup

[mild thunder]

Procs bad, agency good

[pine pine]

Shiny buttons are fun for brain though

[mild thunder]

Shiny buttons are not fun

[near delta]

At some point when all the buttons are shiny none of the buttons are shiny

[pine pine]

If that was true slot machines wouldn't be super addictive

[mild thunder]

Why bother playing the spec well when you can rng reset rsk every 2 buttons lol

It’s so devaluing

I like the first part of TotM, but the reset procs need to say goodbye

And the ToD shit

And fls

[near delta]

Eh tod is a lot better now

But its horrible for pve

[mild thunder]

M+ is so cringe with ToD

[near delta]

Yea

[mild thunder]

AND WHY DOES SPIRITUAL FOCUS GIVE SERENITY 0.3s of cdr lmaoooo

[near delta]

Ww being mediocre at sustained aoe is pretty weird

It didn't work for all of the 1st season

So that's a big improvement

[mild thunder]

Honestly the only thing I’m really happy about with the ww tree is aoe BoK

The rest is kinda lame

I also want fist back instead of power strikes

Idk man the whole spec just felt better in SL… still had issues, but it felt cleaner

[torpid nexus]

what embelishments are fury warriors playing with in pvp?

[raw summit]

i enjoyed WW a lot in raid till i realized i had to spec AOE touch for like all bosses last tier

insta reroll

[near delta]

Like 5-10% of your damage on the one sustained aoe fight was the one touch of death cast lol

[frank knoll]

I don’t understand WW mains

Just go outside and take a jiu jitsu class or something

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor

first weekly chest i do

get my BIS pve trinket

getting mah team together and gonna get that mount n sheit

[mild thunder]

Raid dragon is very cool

[fallen estuary]

yea but i dont really give 2 shits about the raid

i got my sword so im good

[west mural]

should i keep aspect's token of merit or volcanic sculptor for next season?

[mild thunder]

No

[west mural]

none of the above?

[mild thunder]

None of the above

All becomes unusable in the next season

[hollow meadow]

any crafted gear for fury aside from impunity boots that I need?

[blissful lagoon]

Sporecloak worth it still?

[cyan mauve]

yur

[near delta]

So I was playing some 2s as arms with an hpriest vs fire mage/mw and somehow the mage kept getting precog when I didn't kick him at all. Is that some new bug abuse?

[mild thunder]

not that i know of, you sure it wasnt some other buff?

[fossil mortar]

I seen something alike or similar, WA/bar told us precog kept being popped from the fire mage at regular random intervals. If it did or not, don't matter he died.

Only seen it once tho, so we wrote it off as an UI bug with something mage/monk related

[near delta]

It popped up on my weakaura bar and big debuffs I didn't double check the debuff list each time but he couldn't be rooted or anything lol

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder when we playing smite together

[mild thunder]

when i hate my life enough to go back to that shitty ass game

withdrawals will probably kick in in a few months

[simple rock]

csing your reflect gives precog

any ranged spell kick does it

[mild thunder]

legit?

[simple rock]

yes

[mild thunder]

that's such a gigachad play holy fuck

[simple rock]

when I played precog on my sham I did it all the time for hexes

or to avoid bolts

[mild thunder]

huge tradeoff for mage since cs is like a 24s CD but that's pretty chad

[fossil mortar]

That is bigbrain

[near delta]

That's stupid lmao

[pale minnow]

I mean imagine he fakes someone -sheep healer - combusts- warrior reflects - mage kick - 2. precog - unstopable combust

[mild thunder]

dont expect reflect to save you from combust to begin with lol

just fear/bolt/shockwave/leap/wall or whatever

you have a billion tools, who cares if mage can counter one of them

[pale minnow]

What i wrote is about mage being 200 iq making himself unstopable for 8 secs

[mild thunder]

ok sorry

im used to arms mains malding about having 1 small counterplay to their kit

[pale minnow]

Man idc, if mage is that smart he deserves it

[mild thunder]

agreed, and like i said it's a pretty large tradeoff

no cs into war/healer is rough

also works into stuff like nether shield for lock

[pale minnow]

Could work well vs ret/war/fist

Not wasted

Told my mage friend to try this strat, he says it's a dumb cheese for idiots

[mild thunder]

your mage friend is a dumb cheese

[pale minnow]

What should i expect from a lifetime 2.1 mage

[clear sparrow]

why did gnome get so popular?

[mild thunder]

gnome has always been good for warrior

always will be

[clear sparrow]

but i dont get why its so popular now

it's always had that racial

[faint pumice]

Gonna play thunder next season, haven’t played arms for years. So basically, every time I reach the target, I want to start with the colossus and realize those buffs the colossus is giving me before the target runs away?

And depending on the target’s health, I am either:
rend
Overpower,
Execute,
Mortalstrike.

Or:
Mortalstrike,
Execute.

right?

[mild thunder]

orc fell out of favour

human is pretty mid

[mild thunder]

rend > execute > mortal strike > overpower is your priority list
rend drops to the bottom during CS because it should already be applied + instant damage is more important

[magic wing]

Why orc fell off ?

Racial is still good

[faint pumice]

So overpower is a filler? We do not try to stack a juicy mortal strike via overpower buff, but smashing mortal/execute if they proc?

[magic wing]

Only if you stack 2xEP sharpen and some more shit to fish for crit screens

Bajheera style

[mild thunder]

no

[pure hornet]

Fk this, a warlock and a druid hugged pillar for 12 minutes in 2’s last night, they took 8 years of my life#. Annoying as fk

[faint pumice]

Thank you🫶

[magic wing]

Thats that Classic gameplay

[pure hornet]

Dunno but i got so annoyed, i feel like i woke up older 10 years

[magic wing]

I got chunked for 60% hp to death yday. By ele sham

Also fun experience

[pure hornet]

1.6 k cr healer and he gives me free cr, 2.1k cr healer and he could not heal a frostbolt

How some bad healers get that high

Come*

[magic wing]

Easy to carry in 2s

R1 glad dps can 1v2 no prob

[sage raptor]

Racial is not good

All stuns were nerfed and the racial itself is nerfed in pvp

Any racial that can get you out of a CC would be better

Or a racial that is a CC

[magic wing]

Wtf

[near delta]

It feels awful playing arms as not gnome tbh

[magic wing]

So they dumpstered orc for no reason

Still better than maghar

[near delta]

Orc is still really good into sub cause they only need a global to wreck you

[magic wing]

Dark iron racial still good ?

[near delta]

Yeah really good

Orc's still good too just not as valuable as it used to be

[pure hornet]

So tauren would be better than orc?

[magic wing]

Im looking at kt racial

Pushback stun looks nice

And free vers

[sage raptor]

Yeah

Though racials really don't matter tbh

[sage raptor]

Gnome is hella fun

[pure hornet]

Cant stand to play gnome

Feel like blacked from behind when i play gnome

[sage raptor]

You could go lfd

[frank knoll]

I like playing Night Elf personally

Learning how to min-max shadowmeld is fun

[west mural]

gnome is king, use imorph

wish there was anything else coming clase but no

provides uptime and without item u're useless

without uptime

[mild thunder]

Racials aren’t even worth talking about tbh

The only time racials are remotely big is if you’re playing nelf stealth classes

[magic wing]

Cuz breaking mage roots isnt big at all

[mild thunder]

no, not really

arms already has 2 bladestorm and fury breaks roots every 20s

unless you're r1, thinking about racials is hardcore bait... play what's fun and what's sexy

[elfin surge]

I was human and after going orc i saw a 400cr increase to 3s and shuffle, worth the swap imo

[mild thunder]

shut up

❤️

[elfin surge]

mad?

[mild thunder]

always

[fickle forge]

Mud shows extreme levels of narcissism, he has utterly no self control, he showed very obvious signs that he fails and panics under pressure, and that he needs anger counseling. His maturity could also be brought to question as well. This all simply from viewing the way he spoke, his mannerisms, and his actions in the games played.

[elfin surge]

based

[mild thunder]

find me the pasta where some guy said he could tell mud was a cringe from his voice

based and real tbh

[fickle forge]

I do not have it

[elfin surge]

??

WAT

[mild thunder]

farming for rivendare mount'

i guarantee 100000000% if i hop on my hunter to farm im never gonna see the sword drop again

[elfin surge]

I queued 3s yesterday and sat a 6 minute 3v3 q to get MMR klepto-ed by an aug MM team, it was downhill after that.

[fickle forge]

What comp?

[elfin surge]

ret war

[fickle forge]

Deserved

Hope they tax your mmr till you quit WoW and start in the gym

[mild thunder]

cringe

2018 mud would never

@spice hornet what're you maining now"?

[stuck glen]

Okay I really need help understanding arms warrior in pvp. I tried one shuffle last night as arms and it was a disaster.

Do you use rend and/or tclap in pvp? I was using the meta tclap/ shockwave talent build on icy veins?

I wasn't using slam but otherwise I was trying to rend/ tclap like a pve andy

I got too comfy zugging on fury to care, but now I got a taste for pvp and want to do better

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge does free coaching

[magic wing]

Idk I felt kinda weak dmg wise after not playing for months

But not full conq

[fickle forge]

MS > Exe > OP > Clap

[stuck glen]

I feel like this is bait

[mild thunder]

maybe

maybe not

wtf

did like 40 runs today just chilling and watching Casino

[frank knoll]

Uhh ohh @elfin surge has the alt right Pfp

[elfin surge]

HUH

[frank knoll]

The glowing eyes

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-finally-hit-2400/1694020

Aug finally got 2400
Only people saying gz are other Augs

[mild thunder]

?

[elfin surge]

?

[stuck glen]

Is the spear of bastion spec on icy veins a meme build? Is it worth trying?

[mild thunder]

yes, no

[stuck glen]

Okay lol

[elfin surge]

spear is so bad

[pure hornet]

Best answer i ever heard :)))

[mild thunder]

11.0 LEAKS?????????? 😮

[wheat jay]

No

[pure hornet]

Looks nice

[wheat jay]

Banner was a mistake xD

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-think-pepe-the-frog-gif-15109639

warrior can get banner back when i get flayed shot @wheat jay

[wheat jay]

What is flayed shot

I only deal in judgments now

[mild thunder]

stop

[wheat jay]

Ashen hallow etc

You know, some nice shiny plate armor

[spice hornet]

Yummy dot that gave kill shot procs

[wheat jay]

On a big cow

[mild thunder]

[spice hornet]

I’m maining another game atm cause this shits dead asf and boring with Aug anusers

Abusers

[frank knoll]

Yup and new DH spec

[mild thunder]

what game?

[frank knoll]

Aug abuser and botters

They ban botters and they just make another account

Apparently there’s a fire mage bot now too

[cyan mauve]

saw that

pretty funny

will just make me feel better about winning

[frank knoll]

Idk when I used to play Siege pretty hard, there were always botters and it didn’t ruin the game or w/e

[cyan mauve]

siege is goated

[frank knoll]

It was so bad they were banning someone like every minute

[cyan mauve]

only reason i’m not playing is because when i do have time to play stuff i’m on this game

[magic wing]

You could watch an episode of Office between each SS que now its so bad

Like 30mins for match yday and it said 14

[light granite]

i dont even que SS anymore because of this

[magic wing]

It feels like enormous waste of time rn

[light granite]

it actually IS

[elfin surge]

shuff aint it bro

[light granite]

imo the best use of my time in wow is farming newbs in bgs. just feeding off the bottom lol its so fun

im scum and dont care

[elfin surge]

based

[frank knoll]

We don’t all have a fistweaver slave to queue with @elfin surge

[lavish quest]

To fix the problem, you fucks need to become healer mains

@elfin surge Rdru main when?

[mild thunder]

just stop playing meta specs and your queue times will improve

it's that easy

[light granite]

i tried to heal, but turns out i'd rather insert a basketball up my rectum and air it up before i heal again

[light granite]

based

[mild thunder]

time to become an arcane main next season

[lavish quest]

Nah, I play war regardless of meta or not, not gonna happen

[mild thunder]

"meta or not"... it's always meta

[frank knoll]

Arcane actually fucks

[lavish quest]

I'm a warrior one trick in everything, pve, pvp, doesn't matter

https://tenor.com/view/oursi-cat-thuglife-gif-12418163

I'm trolling as an rdru rn tho

[elfin surge]

same

[lavish quest]

My man gets it, though I just play the one lol Have one for horde one for ally

[frank knoll]

Desmephisto energy

[mild thunder]

show the ww

[elfin surge]

what ww?

[elfin surge]

not me

[elfin surge]

yeah thats me, i dont see a ww?

[pure hornet]

That’s some weird stuff

[mild thunder]

[elfin surge]

[frank knoll]

“Jojo”

Lmao

[spice hornet]

Autism

[simple rock]

arcane is some adderrall gaming for sure

you gotta be pretty cracked to play that spec

[wheat jay]

Its harder than most specs, that's for sure

And its easy to discern whos good and whos bad by looking at how they use mobility

[simple rock]

I've played all 3 mage specs casually just to 1800/2100 in 3s

arcane felt very unforgiving when getting kicked

also hard casting your big cd is just ugh

[coarse lance]

Maybe stupid question - and maybe it's the ADHD in me, but how do y'all pay attention to things like enemy cooldowns (offensive and defensive) during 3s/shuffle matches?

Every time I go in with best intentions to pay attention to what gladiossa is saying or what gladiusex is showing or mes WAs.. and every time I end up focusing so much on using my defensives well, intervening when someone takes big chunks of dmg and is being focused, and positioning....

[simple rock]

don't track too many things at once

for WAs keep it to what really 1shots or isn't that noticeable by default

a lot of players are tracking like every cd but they aren't actually registering that information

[coarse lance]

Yeah I need to make the Mes WAs more prominent... is there sound with them? I haven't noticed it if so - maybe need to enable it. Then focus on those really

Just trying to get my first ever 2100 before patch ends. ONly ever dabble din arena up to 1800 in the past, but came in a few weeks ago and trying harder 😉 Keep bouncing up to like 2077 then falling back down (3 times anyway, between my arms warrior and resto druid) hah.

[worthy fern]

@coarse lance get rid of lossa and focus on the weak auras

[green sequoia]

Lossa is more an issue than help imho

[fallen estuary]

Chaos bolt chaos bolt chaos bolt chaos bolt

[elfin surge]

greater mortal strike

big heal

[lavish quest]

Yeah give arms greater mortal strike, works kinda like greater pyro from bfa

[worthy fern]

Buff executioners precision to legion levels

One of the best feeling talents ever and they jsut nerf it into oblivion every xpac

[frank knoll]

Remove warbringer

Absolutely pointless PvP talent

That and Shadow of Collosus

[wheat jay]

Remove arms

Rework into legs

[worthy fern]

Warbringer been good in the past

Shadow never been good

[thick reef]

With the ignore pain nerfs, is Fury tankier than arms with the self healing? I know damp hurts them but other than that.

[fickle forge]

Uh

What nerfs?

[green sequoia]

Didn’t nerf it last it’s not counted as rage spent I thought

[wheat jay]

^

Its a pve change

For pvp it changes absolutely nothing

[thick reef]

Ah I must’ve been mistaken. I thought they lowered amount absorbed as well as rage to anger management.

So fury is still squishier then, thanks for the input.

[wheat jay]

Only rage to AM

And you didnt spam ip in pvp anyway

[stark panther]

anyone know what that new pvp talent for warriors is called in 10.2?

[frank knoll]

I kinda hate that it hits for like 30k max and is basically a frontal cone root

[fallen estuary]

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