pvp

[frank knoll]

Americans are cucks in comparison

[fallen estuary]

We are gas cucks cause we worship gas like a god

[red igloo]

Quick question for the pvprs

If i get 1800 on one class will i unlock the set for all classes or just that one

[sharp meteor]

Just that one.

The gear is account-wide but restricted to class for now.

[mild thunder]

should be able to use cross-class mogs if you get like 2400

[red igloo]

The elite sets?

[mild thunder]

ye

would be a cool incentive

especially since blizzard refuses to give us good elite weapons

can you imagine if what a s1 elite 2h sword couldve looked like? wouldve been based... at least the polearm was sexy

[sharp meteor]

We actually had these at 2100 in SL.

Kind of a pity they did away with them.

[mild thunder]

I didn’t get my elite sword mog in s2 because I never upgraded my weapon

Still pissed

[sharp meteor]

Oof.

I went through and grabbed everything because super long seasons and stuff.

[mild thunder]

Yea it’s a fat rip

[scarlet flame]

this guy unironically thinks beating your kids is healthy for them

[mild thunder]

it isnt?

they shouldnt have been so disrespectful

[wispy forge]

Why is 90% pvpers race Gnome? Is it just the ability to remove roots?

[scarlet flame]

yes

[mild thunder]

they're sexy

fem gnome > fem nelf

[scarlet flame]

nah thats false

[mild thunder]

nah that's facts

[scarlet flame]

objectively wrong

[mild thunder]

mhmmmm

[fossil mortar]

Nelf is BiS, nuff said

[simple rock]

you're all wrong

fem orc is bis

[mild thunder]

fem nelf is bis for leather and mail
fem human is bis for plate and cloth
fem orc is good for all, bis for none

[radiant hamlet]

and femboy is bis for all

[magic wing]

For plate straight orc/ dwarf is bis

[mild thunder]

no

this is universally the worst take imaginable

upright orc 🤢

dwarf 🤢

[magic wing]

Human is the most bland, boring shit

With small shoulders

[mild thunder]

you literally said "human but green and big" is best

[magic wing]

Yes

Big shoulders, better stance

[mild thunder]

i love upright orcs and their tiny legs

better stance?????

great stance...

weird, floaty arms, absolutely no waist, oddly proportioned legs etc. etc... upright orcs are a travesty

[magic wing]

Now post human

0 anatomy

And you call that bis

[mild thunder]

there are absolutely far less glaring proportion issues with human lmao

upright orc is literal F tier

[sage raptor]

Orcs have fetal alcohol syndrome

[mild thunder]

^

[sage raptor]

No bs

The similarities are uncanny

And humans are boring

[real monolith]

arms or fury for pvp

[sage raptor]

Arms

They're both good. I just flipped a coin for you ngl

Yw

[mild thunder]

no particular order

upright maghar/regular orc are F tier

[sage raptor]

Upright undead will get all the bitches

In 9 years

If we're lucky

[mild thunder]

ok hold on, updated

pandaren is only that high because they get carried by cool animations/stances

[magic wing]

Tauren above orc lmao

Also females only in high tiers, femboy gamer spotted

[mild thunder]

uhhh, yea

[mild thunder]

weird to call someone a femboy when you'd rather stare at a mans ass while you game

[magic wing]

Armor specifically made for them

Show any other in helm

Pure trash guaranteed

[mild thunder]

orc cant even get a decent heritage set

[magic wing]

Show me this set

On any other race

Looking BETTER

[mild thunder]

full-set user

[magic wing]

Big ass boots on female

[mild thunder]

this looks goofy as fuck from a straight-on angle

[magic wing]

Show me this on fem human/nelf

[cyan mauve]

ngl hunch orc is cooler

[magic wing]

Shoulders will be tiny and boots huge

[mild thunder]

set is mid tbh

only good part are the shoulders

[cyan mauve]

nah W set just overused

[mild thunder]

shoulders have carried that set since it was released

[cyan mauve]

cause those shoulders are sick

[mild thunder]

they're pretty good

[cyan mauve]

and the comically large boots and gloves

go well with orc

someone drop their talent tree

for arms

[magic wing]

Ill ditch this set when they release a better one

Didnt happen yet

[mild thunder]

show me this on an orc

[mild thunder]

sinful? it's a billion times better

arguably the best plate set they've ever dropped

[magic wing]

Human male ret paladin set

Doesnt look better than this on orc

[magic wing]

I like this shit better if youre posting pallys

[mild thunder]

Literally just my set but worse

Mine also works for any plate spec

[magic wing]

Idk in what universe is that worse but ok bro

[mild thunder]

Less creative, doesn’t match as well and no beard

[dense herald]

whats this tier list bout

aint no way u put goblins d tier

[fickle forge]

Galachad is Galasimp confirmed 🙏

[mild thunder]

purely aesthetic

[mild thunder]

[dense herald]

male humans and male nelfs should be s tier then

insane phisyqe

have u seen those forearms

[magic wing]

Gala loves those oversized boots and tiny invisible shoulders

[mild thunder]

male human and male nelf can be good, but tons of mogs look goofy af on them

and male nelf run is dogshit

none of these look remotely good on male models

[wispy drum]

Male nelf has gamer neck.

[mild thunder]

male nelf has weird sway posture

[mystic prairie]

orc with comically large gloves but small boots is bis

also straight stance for all classes that are supposed to have hunch is F tier, not only for orcs

#pvp-transmog

[mild thunder]

yes

but zanda is a completely different model, and it works

[mild thunder]

used to be #pvp - politics

[frank knoll]

F Nightelf is Goated

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor is your dynamicmacros working?

[frank knoll]

I think female orc is good too

[bright stream]

orc shoulder size unironically ruined the race for me

male orc is 40% shoulder mog, which looks stupid, and the female orc runs like a power ranger monster when its enlarged

[frank knoll]

I hate that the upright orc shoulder model like floats

[sharp meteor]

Yep?

Only hiccip it has is myslot making duplicates.

[mild thunder]

lucky you

i use framesort, which is the offshoot addon after DM was discontinuted

and it's fucked me over

[magic wing]

Troll has the best animations hands down

[sharp meteor]

🤢

[mild thunder]

sometimes opinions should be kept to yourself

[magic wing]

Furry and fem enjoyer lol

[dense herald]

Then u shouldve said best race for tmogs

Purely asthetics is male nelf

That shoulder to waist ratio

[dense herald]

What is dis ui

[dense herald]

Wdym shoulders r the best part bout tmogs

Or well plate tmogs

[sharp meteor]

I don't know about that. Human, female orc or nelf seems to work with the most stuff.

[fallen estuary]

Typical hunter UI looks like a hurricane

[fiery walrus]

heya

any talents calculators for arms ?

im trying to start on pvp

[green anchor]

on wowhead.com

[frank knoll]

That’s @mild thunder UI

[magic wing]

Nah his has anime girls all over the screen

[fickle forge]

The tool or a guide?

[fiery walrus]

guide

[fickle forge]

Just go for the one in the pins

[fiery walrus]

I just saw one on wowhead but its for pve

ohhh right

didnt' saw that. Thx a lot Karanze

[fickle forge]

No worries

[radiant hamlet]

gaming actually

[mystic prairie]

yo, I'm about to return, can I still get only 1 catalyst for a tier piece per week? or can I grind 4?

[sharp meteor]

You'll have access to 8 immediately.

[mystic prairie]

great

[cyan mauve]

that’s why makes the race wdym

without their comically large shoulders why play orc

[magic wing]

Indeed

Big tusk = good

Fem chars = tiny tusk/bad

[pale minnow]

I don't get fem gnome players, it's most annoying voice next to vulperas

[magic wing]

Its usually meme pvp players like Pilav

Pick the most annoying race

[pale minnow]

He was a male if I remember correctly

[magic wing]

Yeah its still gnome tho

[pale minnow]

And he plays for the racial which is okay

[glacial shale]

Warrior = Orc / Tauren / Kultiran

the trinity of big beefy tmogs

[magic wing]

True

Kul tiran just shoulders no chest armor

[pure hornet]

Mak’gora is best

With tusks of mannoroth

Easyest drop in the game

[glacial shale]

Do you guys also have all lobbys past 2.1k with either only casters, augvokers, feral droods or tanks ?

I feel like i'm in a spiral in which I haven't seen any melees other than feral in like a few days

[dense herald]

He switched ti tauren

And i think he plays orc now nit sure he hasnt uploaded in a while

[sharp meteor]

I've gotten the same 1-2 people in my lobbies back to back

sometimes just dead queues at certain mmr

[fallen estuary]

Welcome to the club

[sharp meteor]

DH is not tanky.

[sharp meteor]

Somehow went 5-1 (almost 6-0) in a Destro/Frost lobby earlier.

[fallen estuary]

Yea i kinda gave up on tank this season, i just cant seem to get any wins at all for some reason and i also get csster stacked lobbies

Next season im pushing HARD

[sharp meteor]

Can sometimes setup for team

Fling bolt at healer, shield charge kill target

[fallen estuary]

Thats what i do

[sharp meteor]

as they've got burst, followup cc, or just to stop enemy go

Sometimes? It's pretty rare.

[fallen estuary]

Yea or healers grief

[sharp meteor]

I've only really had like a few Sub rogues lose their shit and mostly because they don't have shield charge on their dr tracker.

[fallen estuary]

I had 2 healers grief my lobbies dropping me 100 pts and putting me in mmr debt then i get a aug lobby that dropped me another 100 pts

[sharp meteor]

Pain.

Uhh, haven't really had that, and I have a deranged amount of tank games played.

I was expecting a lot more complaints but people usually pchill.

[fallen estuary]

i had a GM talk to me about one i reported and informed me account actions were taken against his account, so healers ARE getting banned for griefing lobbies btw

you should see my lobbies

@sharp meteor can confirm what im talking about

im being gang stalked in every lobby

[sharp meteor]

Ehhh, some lobbies mega scuffo but can usually scrape a few wins.

You'll often brutalize the physical lobbies which makes up for the scuffo wizards.

[mild thunder]

have you taken your meds today?

[green anchor]

rare 2v2 footage

[fallen estuary]

no

[toxic hearth]

As arms, should I save conq for weap or tier? As I cant use honor gear in catalyst I dont know what to do with the conq I gain

[mild thunder]

i know

[mild thunder]

for current season - weapon
for next season - debatable, but you can potentially buy conq tier first and just get a trophy of strife weapon

there's 2 weeks left of 10.1, nothing you do really matters

[toxic hearth]

Yeah I'm trying to gear my warr asap to get 1,8k tmog hehe

will save for weapon then

[mild thunder]

then yea i'd get weapon and then just fill out your tier pieces

[sharp meteor]

Tier is balls.

Get wep asap.

[mild thunder]

na i dont need meds i just think there's a conspiracy to keep me low-rated in solo shuffle

that's just regular solo shuffle stuff man... and if you're gaining 1 rating for 3 wins your mmr is probs just in the gutter/you're only winning rounds against low-rated people

you still managed to win 3 rounds tho?

that's just solo shuffle

no one is expertly manipulating the solo shuffle queue to get into your games, intentionally gain you 0 rating all to keep you low-rated

?

[sharp meteor]

You shouldn't get any adjustment for 3-3

the +1 point was just artficial inflation

which is 20 spread over the course of a week

wait 14 days, go 3-3, get like 40ish points

[mild thunder]

depending on mmr, sure

just play better, that's the whole point of solo shuffle

[sharp meteor]

Correct.

Well, kind of.

It stabilizes you up or down with a 3-3

If you're losing a lot this is good

if you're winstreaking this is bad

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor stfu, you dont understand... they are making him lose

[sharp meteor]

Sometimes you just win, other times you just lose; all you can do is play your best in each lobby.

😁

[spice hornet]

N

I

[mild thunder]

🛑

[mild thunder]

@fallen estuary come collect your father

[fallen estuary]

proud of u

[spice hornet]

[mild thunder]

guys stop getting distracted, i need to find out who they are

[fallen estuary]

the aliems?

theyre green and small and do cool dances

https://tenor.com/view/alien-dance-hte-dancing-gif-5488052

[mild thunder]

who knows

[sharp meteor]

I thought I got you in my lobby earlier.

[spice hornet]

Hahahahahaha

I haven’t played my@lock in. A minute

He stole my name

I did shuffle first week on my lock and haven’t played it since

[mild thunder]

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

[spice hornet]

does that lock have an o at the end of his name

Pretty sure I queued into him in 3s on an alt this week

[mild thunder]

have you considered getting good?

they'll follow you everywhere

they're in your walls

[spice hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

Playing shuffle rofl, literal waste of time and brain power

[mild thunder]

[frank knoll]

If you’re going 3/3 you can go 4/2
Especially if you’re playing Arms
Arms can carry rounds in shuffle

Mmr can be fried though, I’ve gone 4/2 and -5 rating before

[mild thunder]

by being good and not complaining about conspiracies when they lose

[fossil mortar]

Wintrading and scriptbots

[spice hornet]

Spamming qing shuffle

That’s literally it

[mild thunder]

nah, you have to win-trade

[frank knoll]

No bitches
Being a NEET
Work from him job if they even have one

[fallen estuary]

fatasses that chug lard all day long and stream themselves having strokes prty much

3800 is legit no life teir pvp

[frank knoll]

Joefernandes

Lol Flarkness, I mean look at that dude and tell me he has a life

[mild thunder]

lmao Mud

[frank knoll]

Or have the superpower like Bicmex

[mild thunder]

this does not make you sound more sane

[frank knoll]

@modest lynx where were you on January 6th? Jw

[bright stream]

nah the racials are super good/have been fun a bunch over the years - but they look hela stupid. No shoulder mog orcs are the only viable option
@cyan mauve

[mild thunder]

can confirm, i was also with his mum

[bright stream]

while you're sorting out everyones mum

could you take a crack at mine, she's a bit of a misserable old girl

you know, show her a good time, cheer her up

etc

[mild thunder]

dude, stop

get some help

im not even memeing anymore

you're sick

take your meds

they're coming for you

get out

run

run

run

run

run

run

run

[frank knoll]

This is what it looks like when a high rated PvPer “socializes”

https://youtu.be/6VdqDsEyqnM?si=_0ZWOzeCdXv5p3v-

[bright stream]

what's this delusional shit, are you some 20 year mage player that's finally translated the mental gymnastics from "bro mage is the hardest class and its balanced" to the real world?

[mild thunder]

fake, pvpers dont get invited

[bright stream]

lol 'debate'

[mild thunder]

debate 🤓

[frank knoll]

Naw, that’s actually leaked footage of MUD

[mild thunder]

then dont say corny ahh shit

[fossil mortar]

Oh no, they spying on my memes?

[mild thunder]

so discord is hiring people to int your shuffle lobbies?

[bright stream]

bro the US gov doesn't give two shits about spying on you for your information

you're giving it all away for free anyway

unless you're offline and don't use the supermarket

lmao

[mild thunder]

if someone makes regarded claims about their being a conspiracy to troll their shuffle games... imma call you nuts

[fossil mortar]

Internet is porn and catpictures

fight me

[scarlet flame]

did you say the internet is a psyop tool

[bright stream]

I wonder if we could get it stickied

[scarlet flame]

if you believe conspiracy theories you're a nut case no exceptions

[mild thunder]

then log off, lil bro

why are you being so schizo

[fossil mortar]

He is coming down, that is all

[scarlet flame]

just straight up false

[bright stream]

you are 100% one of those people that 30 years ago would have understood that they were stupid, and should listen to smarter people - but since the erosion of respect for education, you think your opinion is worth sharing

[scarlet flame]

is not what the internet is bud

[fossil mortar]

Hey, catpics do influence my emotions

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

Confirmed Psyops

[scarlet flame]

yeah the military are brainwashing you to think cats are cute

[mild thunder]

Stop psy-opping me

[fossil mortar]

Shit, I would get away with it too! If it wasnt for Shwz!

[scarlet flame]

yes sir, that guy is clearly not a sheep

[bright stream]

isnt the american military too busy planning to support the palestinian genocide rn? How have they got all this time to psyops this one random nobody

[scarlet flame]

believing totally unrealistic things with basically no evidence whatsoever and just blindly following what someone else told them

hes not a sheep at all

[mild thunder]

stop

[scarlet flame]

hes a deep and free thinker

[mild thunder]

pvp isnt politics anymore

please

[scarlet flame]

you can't brainwash him hes got a higher than average iq

the tests said so

[bright stream]

LOL

nah let me bait this moron into exploding his eyeballs

[fossil mortar]

Meme politcs = fun, IRL not meme is not as entertaining

[scarlet flame]

all you're going to bait is the deletion of this channel

[bright stream]

tbf, we weren't using it for anything worthwhile anyway

[fossil mortar]

Just edit yer post, and we guchi - and can be back ot cat pics

[scarlet flame]

i use it for worthwile things

[fossil mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-spin-spinning-cat-record-cat-record-gif-27030028

[scarlet flame]

like getting entertainment from a random nobody who thinks hes the next socrates

[mild thunder]

this fella's closer to diogenes

[fossil mortar]

To be, or to be a cat. That is the only question that matters.

[bright stream]

I think he bailed

[scarlet flame]

probably

[bright stream]

definitely the not showering bit

[mild thunder]

he deleted all his messages

rip

[scarlet flame]

you're closing in on furry territory and its worrying

[mild thunder]

@modest lynx

come bakc

[scarlet flame]

LOL

[bright stream]

can't delete this one

[fossil mortar]

Psyops final goal

[bright stream]

@AmericanGoverment

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor

[bright stream]

isn't the Furry community kinda like, weirdly wholesome?

[scarlet flame]

i had someone today in my family unironically tell me that the forest fires in hawaii were the government testing a space lazer

no?

[violet fossil]

no

[scarlet flame]

furrys are some of the most degenerate people you can find

[bright stream]

I swear I've heard it's kinda like being part of a church

but everyone dresses up like a fox and wants to shtoink each other

[scarlet flame]

here it comes

[bright stream]

I thought you bailed @modest lynx

whats your stance on 5g and 90 minute cities?

[scarlet flame]

whats going on tomorrow

[violet fossil]

holy shit lol

[scarlet flame]

this video is fake lol

[fossil mortar]

No worry, Shwz, the drugs came down

its all good

[sharp meteor]

Hey. 😁

[violet fossil]

I would’ve hoped so lol

[scarlet flame]

LOL

[fossil mortar]

What did Mud do to you?

[scarlet flame]

skipped sheep and went to pigs huh

[bright stream]

afraid the mud people will get you?

government modified psy-pigs

[fossil mortar]

We all know, that mud, is a biproduct from the Bird-drones the agency uses to keep 5G hitting us

[scarlet flame]

dont worry guys the government that can't handle 200 pages of paper is totally hiding things from us

[bright stream]

must be why he hasn't been streaming, busy working the @modest lynx case

[scarlet flame]

aliens are real, the earth is flat, the government is brainwashing us with our toothpaste

[fossil mortar]

poor Mud

[mild thunder]

i support your life choices :)))

[scarlet flame]

i dont

@sharp meteor seek help

[mild thunder]

hey man, they admitted it in congress!!! it's real!!!!

[bright stream]

didn't you see

[scarlet flame]

[fossil mortar]

Did you know, that the dentist places small spydevices in your teeth? Like minature tracking divices the size of less than a grain of sand?

It is trippy

[violet fossil]

whatever happened to the fungus guy

[mild thunder]

he quit wow

shame

[bright stream]

that the mexican government confirmed the stolen and modified peruvian mummies that were confirmed as aliens?

[scarlet flame]

to busy getting rejected by women and jobs

[violet fossil]

lol

[bright stream]

that name rings a bell, can't remember if he was the good kinda stupid or the bad kind

[sharp meteor]

With what?

[scarlet flame]

your furry problem

[bright stream]

@sharp meteor are you a legit furry?

[fossil mortar]

He plays Vulpera, so yea

[sharp meteor]

I suppose.

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

smh

[fossil mortar]

Oh well - I wont get to enjoy the late PvP shitfest that is sure to show up. Let us hope they dont lock down PvP again this time, hf lads - play safe

[scarlet flame]

i respect how easy it comes out of you

[bright stream]

I've got a furry story from highschool. On of the kids in our group of friends was figuring out he was into it. Accidentally left some images on a USB that he lent to someone. Blamed it on the guy that he lent the USB to. Including some of his profile stuff - calling himself lynxy leopard. Which is how we ended up calling the 2nd guy lynxy leopard in spite of knowing it was definitely the first guy that was a furry.

lol

[mild thunder]

lynxy leopard

[sharp meteor]

Lmao.

[scarlet flame]

you gunna sit there and tell me this freak isn't also some basement dwelling elite pvp crusty player

[bright stream]

guess now that the community is approaching its mid-late 30s everyones realised that most of the every season high rated player are terminally DSP or basement lol

[mild thunder]

horror movie shit

[bright stream]

there's like 5 normal humans in the R1 scene

[scarlet flame]

isn't everyone who competes in awc normal for the most part

[mild thunder]

i wouldnt say that

[bright stream]

I dunno about that Cdew is derranged

[scarlet flame]

its the ladder freaks who aren't normal

[scarlet flame]

cdew has a wife and kids + house and dogs

thats as normal as you get

[mild thunder]

bicmex is a chad but i wouldnt say he's normal lmao

[frank knoll]

That looks like Flarkness if he was a ginger

[scarlet flame]

bicmex is probably normal

[bright stream]

aight the misso is ready, I'm outties

[mild thunder]

imagine if autism was a person

[scarlet flame]

that picture is like piss bottle loser type shit

[mild thunder]

that's bicmex

[frank knoll]

Bicmex has the super power (autism)

[scarlet flame]

autism doesn't mean you can't be a normal person lol

if you pay your own bills and live in your own place you're normal

[frank knoll]

Venruki is normal I think

[mild thunder]

bicmex's autism does

but it's okay he got the cool kind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNU-oUPZ0E&t=231s

[scarlet flame]

maybe some lower ranked awc players are cringe freaks

[mild thunder]

no

[scarlet flame]

but most of the top teams are pretty normal

[frank knoll]

He looks normal and well adjusted. Well spoken, not bad looking has a gf

[scarlet flame]

venruki has a job and has a gf and a home

[scarlet flame]

he is normal

[sharp meteor]

Ven seems pretty normal.

[mild thunder]

fucking doaenel has a girlfriend, that shit dont make him normal

[frank knoll]

I think the dudes that don’t make tons of money playing on twitch are the weirdos

[scarlet flame]

you have to have the exodia complete

[frank knoll]

Because WoW IS their spare time

Meanwhile, Pika can steam for like 4 hours a day, collect the bag and the go do something else

[scarlet flame]

except pika streams basically everyday for longer than 4 hours lol

[frank knoll]

Just using an example, I don’t follow his stream

[fallen estuary]

i really want to photoshop ven eating his evoker and saying its delicious while crying

[scarlet flame]

thats pretty funny lol

[fallen estuary]

its like squidward eatingthat sand patty saying "ite deeeeliciouuuuussss

[mild thunder]

bajheera is normal and cool

that's about it

[fallen estuary]

saving that photo

for later use

[mild thunder]

o7

[frank knoll]

Bahjeeras cut has him looking like Skeletor

Bros cheeks are sunken and everything

[fallen estuary]

that face you make when muds beating bugs in a desert

[scarlet flame]

[mild thunder]

anyone that mains classic isnt normal

[fallen estuary]

classic mains

[mild thunder]

[scarlet flame]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-meme-gif-25793745

[spice hornet]

Average warrior main

[fallen estuary]

his face when he got 2400

[coarse forge]

Forgive the possibly dumb question, but how fast could a guy go from 0 to 1800?

[fallen estuary]

well depends on how hard you can tunnel a warlock

and speedrun pillar leap any% (healer cced category)

[coarse forge]

I'm normally just a raider... but that elite mog this season looks pretty sick....

[sharp meteor]

It's the mean mmr right now

if you get geared which is quick and easy

and just do pve damage to people

it shouldn't be hard

😁

[mild thunder]

stop being so fucking positive

ew

[coarse forge]

I was just worried I wouldn't have the time to get it since the next patch is out in like 3 weeks.

[sharp meteor]

You've got more than enough time, even if you started leveling the char now.

Although I suppose it depends on how familar with doing damage you are, and how much you play.

But yeah, can def make it happen.

[mild thunder]

just depends on how good you are at video games in general

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor is 4 set even good for RB build

[sharp meteor]

Dunno, I only play Protection.

[fallen estuary]

meh k

i get like 5% extra mastery damage rocking 2 set

[mild thunder]

and augmentation

[sharp meteor]

True. Made the mistake of making an alt aug and now can't lfg partners.

[coarse forge]

Last time I actually did rated pvp was on my hunter 4 expansions ago haha.

I'm at 428 (I think), full 4 piece and such, and this was the raid I got into this week... fairly new at Fury though haha.

[sharp meteor]

Well, honor gear is 437, so gonna wanna get that asap

[mild thunder]

how can you not find partners as an aug??????

[sharp meteor]

and try to get into some 2s or 3s to farm conquest

[sharp meteor]

Oh I'm like 2450 mmr 2200 cr which means I either have to play with a 2100 dk or wait 2 hours

[mild thunder]

why arent we playing aug/sv

[coarse forge]

As a note, the last boss was floor pov pretty early on because I was dumb haha.

[sharp meteor]

Because my buddy is a Monk and that sounds dreadful.

[mild thunder]

i think ive seen one aug/sv team and we clapped em

only works with mm lol

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

Surv just doesn't really do what you'd want it to.

BM seems eh, MM seems good.

[mild thunder]

ye, not much kill-target cc and not really the damage profile you're looking for

[sharp meteor]

Yeee.

[mild thunder]

ive tried mm but it's so boring

[sharp meteor]

I did see willy/smight playing it somewhat high but still seemed like a scuffo variant of aug comps

[mild thunder]

surely ww/aug or arms/aug are still your best shot, right?

or feral

[sharp meteor]

I just want a feral, dk or maybe dh.

[mild thunder]

my feral that i play with got glad in 2 days as feral/aug... comp is so busted

but boring as FUCK

[sharp meteor]

Yerr.

[mild thunder]

going into every game knowing it's gonna be a 5min dampener is so cringe

[coarse forge]

I'm just tired of substandard hunter mogs. Anything that actually looks good is NOT something a hunter would actually wear.

You imagine a guy going to hunt deer in a suit that makes him look like GOLDAR? "Hey deer, I'm over here!!!!"

So now I'm looking to play warrior mostly.

And red is my favorite color, so... yep, need that set haha.

[mild thunder]

hunter mogs can go hard af ngl

you just have to work harder for it

[fallen estuary]

this seasons mogs good

those others arent good that you posted

[mild thunder]

blademaster mog????

that shit clean af

[lavish quest]

1800 very doable. Do good damage, use your head, and it takes no time at all

[sharp meteor]

1800 rn is full of people doing placements

[coarse forge]

Imma try it. I don't really have a raid team atm since I'm on second shift, so trying to work on other goals.

Oh... does a race change affect rating by chance? Was considering one (still horde side).

[sharp meteor]

No, ratings won't be directly affected.

[coarse forge]

Cool, thanks.

[simple rock]

I don't mean to be a hater but that mog is kinda dog

those 2d skirts are horrible

[thick reef]

yeah, better off with some shorts or pants

i'd go Female NElf and hit up the Venthyr pants

[mild thunder]

🧢

it's not the best robe, leather has some cooler ones for sure

belt could use a change tho

[thick reef]

Tbh, should lean more into the Bloodhunter set

[mild thunder]

full-sets 👎

[thick reef]

Bloodhunter belt for sure

[thick reef]

Did I say full-set

No, I didn't

But Bloodhunter is definitely a set that wants you to use more than one piece of it

Chest/Belt/Pants, then fill

[mild thunder]

the chestpiece is the only good part of that set

rest are boring

belt clips way too much

[thick reef]

Most big belts do

But his belt atm is atrocious

I'm having a think about the weapon. Maybe swap for Dacian Falx with Sinwrath enchant?

For a more Samurai look?

[mild thunder]

ye

nah

[thick reef]

I mean, that's what a Blademaster at the end of the day is

[mild thunder]

blademaster swords have never really been katana in wow

they've been blademaster swords, like the one from trading post or the cata pvp sword

but they're both bland af

[thick reef]

I mean, simple is best

Simple mog best mog

KISS is an acronym for a reason

[mild thunder]

even if you wanna go for simple, there are way better swords than dacian falx

[thick reef]

For a blademaster look?

[mild thunder]

blade of hanna or archaic defender are the only good katana

[thick reef]

I'm not saying your wrong, I'm not thinking of any off top of head

Dacian Falx looks very similar to both (even though Blade of Hanna fits more for the color scheme)

Dacian has the additional benefit of being the low price of 1g compared to the others

[mild thunder]

those are the swords id consider

dacian falx is small and poorly-shaped

[thick reef]

I like smaller 2hs

But I'm also the same regard who runs around sometimes with 2x Wirt's 2H

[mild thunder]

wirt's 2h?

[thick reef]

Yeah, the Wirt's Leg

They made a 2h, 1h, and frill version

[mild thunder]

ahh

[thick reef]

Smacking people with my cripple sticks

[mild thunder]

if you want low fantasy but unique, the pandaren weapons are pretty much all peak

[pale minnow]

so let's see.... i win 3/6 games all day now cuz healers are uncarriable they go 0/6 every round and when i win 2x 4/6 i get 20+ points XD

40 min que time to wait a healer go 6/0 it's a good game // 2,6 lobby with 2.1 healers

i forget icc came out, everything makes sense now , dps mains picking up healers to keep this joke of a que alive

[fallen estuary]

no worries when they announce cata classic theyll come swarming back to retail

also yea the healer game 2100+ is absolutely disgusting

you either 3-3 or 0-6 when the healers o n both sides dont know howto properly heal you

150 rating till i hit 2400

and i juust got out of a aug lobby with INSANELY good healers and 3-3ed it

but every other match i had was 3-6 for like 5 games in a row 😡

i miss shadowlands so much tbh 🥹

[pale minnow]

OK!

[cyan mauve]

convinced all solo shuffle healers are trolling

[fallen estuary]

que as tank and youll easily prove your point btw if anyone denies

[bright stream]

Seraphs Strike in the trading post, that's what I'm waiting for

[bright stream]

just the ones that call dps targets when all they've ever played before are rogue and caster comps

oh and also druids/hpals that run into cc

[cyan mauve]

i healed myself more than the disc priest did

this why nobody plays healer

or solo shuffle

or wow

[bright stream]

nah, healing is just for a different type of person

it's like a self-hating ego driven gameplay

or you've gotta be full blown committed to helping others

anything else doesn't work

any monkey can look at judgement light up and get a dopamine hit from smashing their forhead into their ret paladin macropad

[mild thunder]

What’s that

[bright stream]

best looking 2h in game

was removed in cata

[mild thunder]

Never heard of it

Show pics

[mild thunder]

Clean

[sharp meteor]

Nice and simple.

[sharp meteor]

They...have been bringing a lot of stuff back. Maybe it'll make its way in again.

[mild thunder]

i want more stuff like the mage tower rework rather than just free trading post stuff

actual revamped content

it'd be some kinda major effort, but i'd love for them to turn some of the old but modern raids like antorus into current lvl content that you can speed-run for rewards

kinda like the mop/wod challenge mode
bronze time - x reward
silver time - y reward
gold time - z reward

and just have it as like.., max lvl torghast kinda difficulty, maybe harder

[sage raptor]

I'd like if some of the old classic dungeons got remade into mega dungeons

[mild thunder]

i'd do a dire maul mega-dungeon

or maraudon

[green anchor]

people get lost in those already

[mild thunder]

none of the super linear stuff... im really bored of the old m+ dungeons they're adding having one route with almost no deviation

boring

i despised the new uldaman... the bosses were relatively cool (first one kinda boring), but following the one narrow route with a shitty, restricted camera and boring visuals sucked

[idle falcon]

@mild thunder

This could be us but u playin too much

[mystic prairie]

does MS apply rend in pvp? whenever I hit a pvp dummy with MS it gets rend, but not on other dummies

[fickle forge]

Bloodletting puts Rend on ppl below 35%

[mystic prairie]

ah right, i need to read the talent descriptions better

[mild thunder]

which one are you supposed to be?

[idle falcon]

Cthulhu ofc

[mild thunder]

of course

[dense herald]

This is fury rotation man not ret

U need like 3 buttons for ret

Maybe 4

[boreal stone]

im sad the schizo messages got deleted

woulda been a good read

[fickle forge]

What is bro talking about

Arguing with the voices

[dense herald]

Can someone say what he talked about

😟

[mild thunder]

something about how there's a group of people following him through every game he plays to troll him, and the internet is a psy-op and it's too much of a coincidence that he keeps going 3-3 in shuffle and he's too smart to argue about it in discord and he's already said too much

[fickle forge]

Government holding this guy's rating back

[mild thunder]

joe biden taking the weekend off to troll some solo shuffles

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-eagle-joe-biden-walking-confidently-flying-eagle-walking-with-confidence-gif-18750703

[frank knoll]

Bidenomics but for shuffle rating

[mild thunder]

that's malarkey, jack

[frank knoll]

Honestly when he said that H@MAS needs to “shoot straight Jack” most W thing he’s said

His handlers are freaking out in the background

[mild thunder]

whoever writes his twitter PR is kinda goated ngl

[bright stream]

nah this season we don't play annihilator, and straight up - ret is much easier than fury

monk is too

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

[dense herald]

Wdym

Last tkme i played i played annihalator

Which was 1-2 months ago

[bright stream]

annihilator is not very good rn, you should be playing onslaught

ret is like, dont even bother reading your abilities, just press the highlighted one

[dense herald]

Well i played like annihalator with onslaught

Like i just changed from odyns fury to onslaught

[bright stream]

I'm dead serious, I hit 1800 in basically honor gear in a handful of queues without reading any of my talents/abilities

its bananas level of simple

not that fury is difficult, dont get me wrong

fury isn't much harder, but rets just completely braindead

[dense herald]

Yh but in 2s it gets a bit more difficult

Abive 1800

[bright stream]

nah there's no rating point where ret is harder than onslaught fury

you've got way more tools, the class is more flexible, less awkward rotation, and just straight up better damage profile/utility

there's like one semi-difficult tool in the ret kit, and there's a button you can use to throw games

[fickle forge]

Ret complexity is in the utility

Rotations are never difficult

[bright stream]

the utility is extremely straight forward

[fickle forge]

Ye bro as opposed to fury's super complex utility

[bright stream]

eh, there's a difference between auto pilot ret, annihilator fury being 2 buttons, nromal specs, and jank specs

[fickle forge]

There are literally no hard rotations

Hardest you'll find is DoT spreading

Rotations aren't meant to be hard

[bright stream]

you see a huge difference in damage profiles of dps players between challenger and elite for a reason

yes they're not 'hard' but doing them well consistently under pressure certainly can be

[bright stream]

eh furys 2-4 'utility' options are similar to ret with the exception of IV being much more difficult to use correctly than anything in the ret utility kit

because of the range nerf

like I said, it's not much of a difference, but ret is easier

[fallen solar]

Anyone know how to fix why I can see any NPC or anything on the mini map? It just disappeared when I logged on yesterday

[bright stream]

have you checked your tracking options - there should be a magnifying glass icon

[fickle forge]

This is some large sums of copium

No shot is bro saying IV is harder to use than Sanc, Sac or BoP/Warden

[fallen solar]

Yeah I’ll check that once I get back on

[bright stream]

its literally the same skill, except with positioning
waiting til someone is 30% hp to press bop, or sancing a cc, it's exactly the same ask of the player, except 1 requires a 6 yard range

next you'll be saying playing dh is hard because you need to reverse ccs

[fickle forge]

My guy, there are literally way more usages for those buttons than to save someone the last second

Is man not using Sac to make himself CC immune to pollies etc.?

[bright stream]

a ret using sac to skip poly?

yikes dude

[fickle forge]

Pre-sanc pretty bad vs that RMP go

[fickle forge]

Literally a good play?

[bright stream]

very situational, potentially a huge throw

[fickle forge]

Not at all

You save your dude and you can still act

That's fat value

[bright stream]

the dispellable cc, poly, you want to burn your best defensive utility spell

against poly?

[fickle forge]

?

What mage lets your team dispel with no follow up

You always sheep into sheep if you have no cross CC

[bright stream]

oh no, a 3 second duration poly!

[fickle forge]

Nah this man is def baiting

🎣

[bright stream]

bro imagine thinking ret is difficult in 2023

there are multiple classes with a single spell that has more depth than ret

[fickle forge]

Man said ret utility is the complex part, but you're out here saying IV is a more difficult button to use

[bright stream]

its literally the same requirement in terms of understanding and skill from the player + a positional requirement

it's mechanically more difficult, used in almost exactly the same scenarios

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

[bright stream]

name a single scenario that you would use sac/bop/sanc in that requires depth - that is not comparable in depth to IV

I suppose you have to have 3 keybinds, and that could be considered diffuclt

for a ret player

[fickle forge]

@mild thunder Imma pass this one onto you bro 🙏

[bright stream]

it's okay to say you see my point bro - you don't have to have to pray to chady to think for you

[fickle forge]

Nah wolfy boi I'm gonna go do something productive rather than argue with someone that thinks IV is a complex button 😌

[bright stream]

nah, only more complicated than bop dawg

which is not difficult to use at all

[mild thunder]

bring me up to speed

[bright stream]

I said rets easier than onslaught fury, ret player gets enraged

[mild thunder]

i mean

ret definitely has a much higher skill-ceiling

both skill-floors are at the absolute bottom tho

fury has zero skill-ceiling

[bright stream]

nah I don't think it does tbh, I think it's got higher skill-expression (like you get a lot more out of it if you're really good)

[bright stream]

fury has got the standard melee plus a couple of small things, definitely the low dh/ret area of skill ceiling

[mild thunder]

it does, just objectively. it has way, way more utility to perfect and play around. fury has none

[bright stream]

yeah see this kinda what were talking about

[mild thunder]

fury does not have standard melee plus a few things, it has less than any other melee

[bright stream]

I think the utility is extremely comparable to fury

in that its actually really easy to use

[mild thunder]

fury has intervene, which it cant even use properly

that's it

[bright stream]

the only things that are 'difficult' are kinda similar to IV minus having to stand in the right spot

like sanc/bop/sac seem like they're 'hard to use'

but in reality they're very auto pilot skills

there's something to be said of freedom

though

[mild thunder]

pala has bop, sac, sanc, magic bop, freedom, self-dispel, off-healing, LoH etc.

like

ngl

it's not comparable

neither one is hard, but ret objectively has a higher skill-ceiling

the difference between a shit fury and a good fury is how hard they can hold W

@fickle forge passing this one off to you, bud

more utility = more responsibility
more responsibility = "harder"

[bright stream]

see I don't think there's really more utility

entertain me onthis for a moment

[mild thunder]

there just is tho

[bright stream]

whats the cd of bop/sanc/sac?

[mild thunder]

whether you think there is or not

[bright stream]

nah theres more buttons

but there's not more instances of utility

[mild thunder]

fury is never playing for its utility

[bright stream]

that's unfair, fury is never played

because the spec is garbage

[mild thunder]

you have intervene, and most of the time intervene is useful fury doesnt get to use it

ret also does have more min-maxing in its rotation... not much, and it's not super necessary, but enough that a good ret can noticeably outperform a bad ret

fury has no min-maxing

[bright stream]

the fury min max is on refresh of slaughterhouse

[fickle forge]

What you need to know

[mild thunder]

no, no one does that because it's not efficient or worthwhile

it's simply better to press rampage when it's up

[bright stream]

can be worthwhile, 8% on ~700k isn't nothing at the right time

[mild thunder]

you're just losing damage... fury regains rage so fast that it's not worth paying attention to

either way it's scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel - both specs are absurdly braindead and inferior to my platinum IQ survival hunter 🤓

[bright stream]

1000 fucking %

fury is without a doubt the best learning class for melee

and rets right behind it drooling on the floor for a reason

[mild thunder]

eh

i wouldnt say fury is best to learn

arms or ret

fury just doesnt teach you enough

[bright stream]

nah its the best for learning

because you only have the basics

if that makes sense?

[mild thunder]

arms is slightly lower and way, way more forgiving to play

[bright stream]

once you've got the hang of it, you graduate to another one

[mild thunder]

you can make a billion mistakes on arms and not a single one will matter

[bright stream]

there's like 2-3 problems with arms as the base learning melee imo

[fickle forge]

Better to learn arms, cause it's actually effective in most metas

[bright stream]

firstly you kinda need a healer strapped to you

[fickle forge]

Low skill floor and high ceiling

[bright stream]

not talking about learning a class to play, talking about learning a role, which spec is best to learn to begin with

[fickle forge]

Yes, still arms

[bright stream]

secondly with arms, being stuck in roots as a newbie is quite frustrating, which you can skip with fury

[mild thunder]

2 bladestorms, avatar?

[frank knoll]

Fury is actually harder

[mild thunder]

wtf is a root if you're an arms warrior

[fickle forge]

Arms is literally impossible to CC

[frank knoll]

Because good people will just kill u

[fickle forge]

Arms rn can't be CC'd and never dies

[mild thunder]

NEITHER SPEC IS HARD, ARMS IS JUST MORE FORGIVING BECAUSE OF ITS ENDLESS TOOLS
FURY ACTUALLY GETS PUNISHED, ARMS DOESNT

[fickle forge]

[bright stream]

bro deadset the amount of time you spend rooted as a war in this game is insane

[mild thunder]

real... unkillable ahh spec but people here will still cry that it's squishy

[fickle forge]

Skill issue

[bright stream]

even at fucking 2400 and beyond, I often sit there and just scream at the machine as morons let druids root me over and over

[mild thunder]

once again, kargish is the only arms main with integrity

[mild thunder]

🧢

play literally any other melee

play dh

[frank knoll]

Idk I mean I don’t play blademasters torment

[mild thunder]

play assa

[fickle forge]

How does anyone die when you have hunter heal on a 30 sec CD and unaffected by MS and damp 😌

[frank knoll]

Warlords more fun

But yeah u get 2 BS

[fickle forge]

Sounds like 2s vibe

[mild thunder]

warriors will sit 1 root in a 3 minute game and cry that they're immobile

[bright stream]

nah just shuffle these days - 3s years ago when I didn't work fulltime

who can be bothered with 2s?

[fickle forge]

2s warr is where you'll actually have struggles with CC

In Rdruid central

But in 3s you've got free reins

[mild thunder]

rdruid

arms is objectively the hardest spec to shut down in 3s

they simply do not sit cc

[bright stream]

arms is so fucking fun in real 3s

unironically though - I've always thought bladestorm looked stupid

[fickle forge]

If Bladestorm didn't do 100k dps, people would maybe go back to playing only 1 MS

Next patch MS slows by 70% too

[frank knoll]

Yeah but sucks versing classes that can spam ranged slows

[mild thunder]

bladestorm, bladestorm, parry, banner, reflect, oh bladestorm is back up > repeat

[fickle forge]

[bright stream]

the fucking warlock curse

goddamn

[fickle forge]

Only mage is difficult to keep up with rn

Arcane especially

[bright stream]

yeah honestly seems like throwing most of the time

[mild thunder]

how is kargish so fucking based

[bright stream]

you're basically being held hostage by the healers positioning and dispel use

again - really not an issue in real 3s

but I live in shuffle land

tis a sad and desperate place

[fickle forge]

Default to ret+warr and add freedom to your arsenal

🙏

[bright stream]

what u kids think of the enchant

for next season

[light light]

guys what is the appropriate strategy most the time on an arena setting concerning who to go on? Do you ever pick a healer for their weaknesses and if so which ones? On average, does the target's low mobility (maybe more uptime on them) or the target's lower survivability is the more deciding factor in focusing them? Or is tunneling just bad? - FURY WARRIOR STARTING UP

[lavish quest]

It's not shadowflame

[fickle forge]

Wolf persona calling out his fellow kids

[lavish quest]

And buff arms. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[fickle forge]

[bright stream]

I wish I was young :/

my fucking runescape account is old enough to vote

wait, it's fucking old enough to drink in america

jesus

[frank knoll]

What’s the preferred capstone

Unhinged still? That’s what I play by default

[mild thunder]

idk why people soyed out over the unhinged nerf in the first place... it got nerfed, and bladestorm and mortal strike both got buffed so the net damage is either the same or greater

[bright stream]

I feel like I should be prepping myself for a midlife crisis

any suggestions @mild thunder @fickle forge ?

[fickle forge]

Hit the gym

Get gains

Postpone it all and extend youth

[bright stream]

I've got a gym at my home and WFH/workout during my working day

my diets fucking shocking though, gotta work on that

[mild thunder]

idk man im about 30 years away from a mid-life crisis so gl

[bright stream]

aren't you in your mid 20s?

I thought mid life crisis was like 35-45?

[mild thunder]

pfff, mid 20s

21

[frank knoll]

Drink water, don’t party or smoke/vape/ and excercise

[mild thunder]

maybe for boomers, mid-life for me will be like 45-50

[frank knoll]

The only thing you can’t really do much about is hair loss, but that’s genetic

[bright stream]

nah man, worlds literally cooked, I'll be lucky to do 75, and you'll be lucky to do 65

[mild thunder]

just dont be like TIm Pool

if you bald, own it

[frank knoll]

Also moisturize twice a day

[bright stream]

nah

this is very false

how old are you @galalunk?

[frank knoll]

Use a moisturizer with SPF-15

I’m 30

[bright stream]

you on fin?

do that if you're not

[frank knoll]

I don’t have hair loss issues so I don’t really know what that is

[bright stream]

its a 5ar blocker

[frank knoll]

But to my understanding you can’t do much about it if that’s a problem

[bright stream]

in men 5ar does ~1ish thing

which is male sexual characteristics IE face structure, body hair etc

and is the main source of MBP

[frank knoll]

I don’t know any of that is

Is this like an incel Phrenology class

[bright stream]

nah phrenology is racism

[bright stream]

MBP is male pattern baldness

5ar is just a shortened name for the hormone/chemical that causes that (simplifying - DHT is actually the culprit but W/E)

5 alpha reductase

[mild thunder]

i think i might go back to feral pvp next season

at least a bit

@fickle forge thoughts?

[bright stream]

isn't feral utter garbo rn?

[mild thunder]

it's mid

great damage

no defensives

[bright stream]

the tabbard looks hella sick

[mild thunder]

which one?

[bright stream]

so it'll probable be elite war/dk for me

the 2400 one

[mild thunder]

next season?

has it been released?

[bright stream]

and then mage/lock and I think there was another caster as well

[fickle forge]

Would have done feral this season, but dislike clone spam style

[bright stream]

broooo

its super out

[mild thunder]

show pics

[bright stream]

feels real bad for both teams to be basically playing on the clone kicks for wins too

[mild thunder]

i love clone-weaving tbh... really elevates the spec

[bright stream]

bad design imo

[mild thunder]

i hate playing pw, but ive been testing a non-pw build and it kinda pumps

[bright stream]

the weird melee unholydk cross subrogue vibe is where I like feral

[mild thunder]

no pw, no apex

[fickle forge]

I just prefer melee over caster/hybrid

[fickle forge]

Dropped my enh sham as well

[bright stream]

has these fire scales on the sides

shame its another red one having 3 red/black one after another sucks

much better than S2, not sure if I like S1 or S3 more

[mild thunder]

need to see it in-game to make a decision

looks ok tho

[bright stream]

the elite sword looks decent too

(its on the PTR atm)

imo it shoulda been green

hopefully we get a 4th season and its not red/black

[mild thunder]

elite sword is nice

tempted to just raid on feral so i can cut down on chars next season

[bright stream]

always 2 chars for raid+pvp

or 1 if you only do heroic

[mild thunder]

well ye it'd be feral for pve and sv for pvp, but feral will be easier to pvp on if i do that

otherwise i raid on ww

[fallen estuary]

Man wtf

Why they put in that ff10 sword

[sharp meteor]

Looks sick.

Wish they'd add the blue sword this season, though.

[mild thunder]

it'll be on trading post in 2024

[sharp meteor]

[mild thunder]

@sharp meteor we can play aug/feral next season

[sharp meteor]

Sure. I need to get into the habit of actually queuing 3s prior to the final month.

[mild thunder]

me too ... next season should be fun tho

very hectic with some of these tier sets haha

[fallen estuary]

fun lobbies

[sharp meteor]

Down goes Dozer.

[fallen estuary]

ngl he got really lucky 1 round

lets blues clues what the fuck splattered me

right when evoker was at 2% mind you

[sharp meteor]

The epic turnaround.

[lavish quest]

Why didn't you just dodge?

[fallen estuary]

i shoulda los'ed the 1tap in a winning situation 😔

[lavish quest]

You play prot, just shield wall

[sharp meteor]

Prot into casters is kind of suffering.

[lavish quest]

Last stand it?

[sharp meteor]

Damage draggies can shave off like 80% of your health insta.

[lavish quest]

And I suffer as arms too don't you worry girl

[sharp meteor]

Arms has damage and kill pressure, though.

[lavish quest]

That just sounds like poor life choices there 🤔