pvp

[iron fractal]

Like 4 mortal strikes for free

[fickle forge]

It's nerfed though

60% value

[atomic orchid]

I been trying hurricane but the not being able to cancel it bugs the hell out of me

[fickle forge]

You're basically RNG hitting a random target for another BS tick

[vapid tartan]

You want hurricane in bg generally, can’t control who unhinged goes on and can be eaten up by Pets

[iron fractal]

But 6 second buff seems so smol

[vapid tartan]

Also intervene is mandatory

[fickle forge]

Oh wait bro skipped out on Intervene

[vapid tartan]

Both are meh, hurricane gives you more overall dam and is safer

[iron fractal]

Should I still use Blademasters Torment?

[vapid tartan]

Yes

[fickle forge]

Hurricane ass when you can't /cancelaura it

[delicate parrot]

don’t need intervene with hurricane

[fickle forge]

Drop SW for Intervene dude

[iron fractal]

Got Intervene

Now

[vapid tartan]

I would also drop exhilarating blows for fueled by violenc

[delicate parrot]

intervening randoms in casual bgs, dude’s a hero

[fickle forge]

🎣

[vapid tartan]

Very necessary for fc map

[delicate parrot]

no I mean it’s awesome that he’s not being selfish

[fickle forge]

Just Intervene your fellow melee and save a Charge charge

[thick reef]

Bodyguarding randoms in a bg is heroic

[delicate parrot]

sorry if it came across as sarcastic

[delicate parrot]

real

[fickle forge]

It's a selfish ability

Use it for mobility

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[delicate parrot]

yeah you’re totally right

[vapid tartan]

Just respec fury for double leap at that point xd

[delicate parrot]

feelsgood to intervene melee to get in charge range of casters

[thick reef]

Prot for Shield Charge

[fickle forge]

Drop Recklessness for Fueled by Violence 😎👍

[delicate parrot]

woyer go zooooom

[vapid tartan]

In my defense

[iron fractal]

This is my tree now

[vapid tartan]

I think fbv is worth like 1-2 Ms resets on eb

[thick reef]

[sharp meteor]

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

[delicate parrot]

So I gave prot a whirl in a skirm, my teammates complained I do no damage (which I didn’t) but damp kicked in and everyone died and I won

[thick reef]

Welcome to Prot

You just sit there and grind them hoes

[delicate parrot]

also how do you get people to not yeet themselves out of bodyguard range

[fickle forge]

You just sit there and die in 2 sec to any caster

[thick reef]

That's woyer in general

[delicate parrot]

spell block

[thick reef]

That too

Spell Block fucks casters

[fickle forge]

Arms > lock
Lock > prot

[vapid tartan]

[thick reef]

Nah, Prot > Lock

[delicate parrot]

it really does feel bad when you don’t take it vs casters, you’re actual food

[fickle forge]

Isn't it like 20%

[fickle forge]

🎣

[delicate parrot]

30?

[thick reef]

No, it's full Block Value iirc

[sharp meteor]

You just need to pay attention to allied mobility. The 20 yard range lets you run ahead of them. Like, you posture towards the guy they're gonna fel rush or roll towards and it doesn't break.

[fickle forge]

[sharp meteor]

You spec into imp heroic throw to maintain dps while being kited.

[vapid tartan]

[delicate parrot]

appreciate that helpful tip

[thick reef]

You are a Warrior that Warlock is in a fucking wheelchair

[fickle forge]

Average vulbeta prot take

[vapid tartan]

Have u played mugambalalalalala

[thick reef]

Just stick to him like napalm to kids

[sharp meteor]

It's working for me so far. Sometimes leaving your boy behind dooms them, so you just maintain dps with heroic throw, which is honestly decent especially with how it refreshes your taunt.

[delicate parrot]

sitting lock as warr hits different

[fickle forge]

Raid boss mechanics being done right

[thick reef]

Mugambala just fucking sucks for melee period

[sharp meteor]

I don't mind Moogumbooga so much anymore.

[fickle forge]

???????

[sharp meteor]

Kind of wish they'd add the missing 5 maps to shuffle, though.

[fickle forge]

Man's def fighting people that play low ground only

[sharp meteor]

Locks/Monks messing up their ports is fine.

Blade's Edge more annoying.

[delicate parrot]

I too have no idea what’s going on

[vapid tartan]

Just walk to the other side bro can’t hit you if they can’t see you

[sharp meteor]

Everybody just stands in horrible spots on Blade's.

Good for me, though.

[fickle forge]

Stop

What mmr are top prots playing on

[sharp meteor]

Not super high but also not in the absolute depths.

[delicate parrot]

[sharp meteor]

Casters get all anxious standing on the bridge and always waddle back on top of their healer.

[delicate parrot]

Nice wr

homie is 6-6

[fickle forge]

Yah this isn't even bad, how the fuck are people messing up ports lmao

[thick reef]

Just Dragon Charge melee off the ledge

[fickle forge]

Are you on Taiwan servers?

Where they're on 5k rating atm

[sharp meteor]

I'm on NA. 🦅

[vapid tartan]

R1 prot over here bois

[sharp meteor]

This is actually decent sometimes, yeah. You can also stop the charge early with a cancelaura.

[thick reef]

Kek

[delicate parrot]

that’s way too big brain for me holy shit

[sharp meteor]

Similar thing with Bull Rush. Moose prot just dootin' people all over the place.

[thick reef]

Moose Prot on AB

[sharp meteor]

Just queued into one the other day and he just spam knocked people off LM.

[thick reef]

[sharp meteor]

"oh he's a moose prot stay away from the edge"

"why man"

"oh wtf how'd he knock me"

[fickle forge]

Blood DK and vengeance DH are apparently pretty good as well

[sharp meteor]

Blood is...a ball of health that heals itself and slows/grips stuff. It feels useless in shuff but VERY fun in rando bgs, especially if you have an evoker or two.

Just bombing run the enemy team every limb/gorefiends/sleet.

[fickle forge]

I mean it's just a micro CC machine

Play till 99% damp

[sharp meteor]

Yer. I feel like a magnet just walking into the enemy team and clumping people up.

[delicate parrot]

bdk disruptive as fuck. I had one once make me his bitch in a 1800rbg. He was kul tiran

[fickle forge]

I Q'd with Bloodzin at one point, man would just perma grip, kick, stun, silence sleet etc. on their heal

Deal no damage

Take no damage

[sharp meteor]

I ain't got time for that. Perish, insect.

[delicate parrot]

dude actually pinballed me around the map

[fickle forge]

Eventually win

[vapid tartan]

Just kidnap a healer lul

[delicate parrot]

yes

[sharp meteor]

Actually viable, yeah. Especially if the meathead melee don't notice and it's a big map.

[fickle forge]

Weak, Bloodzin nuked a 230k one

[vapid tartan]

I see it happen in fc maps sometimes

Priest losing their shit

Melee keep zuggin

[sharp meteor]

Cracked.

Spec feels like so much work relative to Unholy that just ambiently kills everything.

Fun to have self healing and grip cdr, though.

[sharp meteor]

Priest getting drowned in the lake.

[fickle forge]

Nobody respects tanks in PvP though

[vapid tartan]

Playing w unholy on temple is great

[fickle forge]

And for good reason

Fk em'

Tanks should forever be unviable while they're annoying damp machines

[sharp meteor]

I like the healers in my lobbies flaming the shit out of the dps for doing less damage than me.

[thick reef]

Fuck you, damps your arena

[fickle forge]

Go back to PvE prot enthusiast

[sharp meteor]

Healers both angry to go 3-3 asking the Arms warrior why he's getting torn to pieces by a prot.

[fickle forge]

Prot is just lobby dependant

Phys melees? Win
Casters?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, feed me warriors/hunters who'll hit into bg the whole game.

[delicate parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/bestie-besties-so-true-so-true-bestie-kirby-gif-25485425

[fickle forge]

Now imagine if arms got Condemn back

Freest of elo

[sharp meteor]

Need prot/fury bladestorm on ravager node.

[fickle forge]

Need tanks to take 100% increased dmg

😎👍

[sharp meteor]

67% is already too much. I wonder if it'll get tweaked to help with tank balance come Blitz.

[fickle forge]

No

Make em' unviable

[mild thunder]

Because it’s a pve change

And arms is shit in pve

[fickle forge]

Idk how you can include tanks into PvP without either making them damp machines or just basically the same as a dps

[sharp meteor]

Gotta be functional to carry flags.

[fickle forge]

I mean it doesn't have to be

[sharp meteor]

New mode soon and tanks are required for flag maps.

[fickle forge]

Some dps are lowkey better than some tanks at carrying a flag

[sharp meteor]

Biggest issue probably gonna be tank imbalance, like bears just being 100x better than prot warr.

[fickle forge]

Why ever bring a prot warr flag carrier, when you can just have a HotW boomy tank for a minute

[sharp meteor]

What do you mean lmao.

I'm talking about Blitz

[fickle forge]

Why bring a prot for cap maps when stealth is what matters

[sharp meteor]

not RBGs which are getting buried soon

[fickle forge]

Blitz is gonna have WSG?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

At least as I recall.

[fickle forge]

Yah, so why make you carry the flag, when you get blown up by their lock+boomy, when we can have a HotW boomy carry it

They'll lowkey live for longer

And get it home faster

[sharp meteor]

Gonna be wild if you get like a prot warr vs a prot paladin and neither carry the flag because they're too squishy. Curious to see what they do tbh.

[lavish quest]

Back in my day, dps carried the flag.

At one point, always a rogue perma moving 170% and could never be pinned down

[fickle forge]

Be worthless

[sharp meteor]

Burst of speed was balanced.

[green anchor]

I remember that

[fickle forge]

Lowkey, you're prot in Blitz into casters

[green anchor]

[fickle forge]

May as well not play

[sharp meteor]

Eh, at least I'll have decent spread pressure and single-target into melee stuff.

[lavish quest]

Miss it for farming old raids

[fickle forge]

If you face melees that game

[green anchor]

This chat making me remember all the old spells that gave me despair

[fickle forge]

[sharp meteor]

I wonder if Blitz will be similar to shuff in that it avoids duplicate specs.

So no 3 moonkins per team

[fickle forge]

6 moonkings

[sharp meteor]

and every balance druid crying about queue times 🦉

[eager lake]

as arms do we manually rend or always thunder clap with the talent?

[fickle forge]

Clap

[lavish quest]

Always clap cheeks

If you have clap anyways

[vapid tartan]

I want it to succeed to more ppl play rbg but I feel like it’s gonna be a shitshow without balancing

And any team with decent stealth players is gonna win

plus tank diff

[sharp meteor]

Load into a rated battleground and this is your tank when the enemy has a real one (bear).

[vapid tartan]

[wispy drum]

go kidnap their healers

[delicate parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[fickle forge]

[frank knoll]

Bruh

No way that will go live

[frank knoll]

I remember RBG teams that were full boomkin on DPS
They really shouldn’t do that though, will make queue times a pain in the ass which is the main problem with solo shuffle rn

[scarlet flame]

hurricane is good into stuff like melee cleaves where you get a lot of value out of it, its really not good if you're mainly using bs to get out of roots or vs casters that can easily run out of it

start your burst out with a massive hurricane BS > all your shit you can hit some big numbies

[whole tulip]

Is it okay to remove fueled by violence?

TO take exectioners percsision?

[scarlet flame]

yeah

[fickle forge]

No, ask again when we're in a better mood and maybe we'll allow it

[whole tulip]

R.i.p

[tribal wedge]

[thick reef]

And people wonder why I bully Arms players lol

No spec wants to hit that fucking button

[mild thunder]

Kekw

Suck shit arms mains

Nah jk, the lack of compensation is kinda goofy, enjoy the slams

[scarlet flame]

slams crit was reduced

also booo

[mild thunder]

Rally nerf is kinda wild ngl

It’s the only utility warrior brings to raid

[thick reef]

Link?

[scarlet flame]

and their dps in pve is low

[green wyvern]

slam buffs xd

[mild thunder]

Ecksdeeeeee

[scarlet flame]

slam damage buffed by 25% but its crit was nerfed by 20%

[whole tulip]

at least make it a min cd

[scarlet flame]

so is it really a buff

[whole tulip]

if its going to be only 10% hp

not.

3 minutes.

[tribal wedge]

we paid for the safeguard inc ..

[green wyvern]

I think you just use rally to dispel roots and give +movement speed with the new pvp talent

[vapid tartan]

Wtf is this shit

[green wyvern]

10% hp is garbanzo

[vapid tartan]

[wheat jay]

and its busted

15% more hp made you survive every mechanics when paired with some healing cd

[scarlet flame]

will the 5% nerf change that

[wheat jay]

its substantial

[scarlet flame]

do they take ip in pve

[wheat jay]

yes

[mild thunder]

Yea but they should get something else

[wheat jay]

why

[mild thunder]

The fact that warrior doesn’t have lust is kinda dumb

[wheat jay]

why

it was supposed to be a nerf

[mild thunder]

Warrior also has zero utility for keys

[wheat jay]

warrior brings fucking everything to raid

????

[mild thunder]

?????

[wheat jay]

batlte shout

aoe fear

aoe stun

[mild thunder]

????

[scarlet flame]

are those used in raids

[mild thunder]

Nah fam

[scarlet flame]

its dps is also low

[wheat jay]

ok cockwave you dont rly take

but warr brings a lot

ok then its a dps issue

[lavish quest]

I don't think you take fear in raid generally lol

[wheat jay]

not utility issie

[mild thunder]

Aoe fear isn’t unique and isn’t that useful for raid

Shout gets one warrior in and that’s it

[wheat jay]

cuz warr brings quite a bit

also good dmg profile

[scarlet flame]

but it doesn't bring dps and its rally got nerfed hard

[fickle forge]

I was like

[scarlet flame]

its damage is on the lower half for both specs

[fickle forge]

Who the fuck brings Shockwave in PvE lmao

[lavish quest]

It's dmg is mid and that was before the IP nerf

[atomic orchid]

Ty

[wheat jay]

nerfed hard cuz it was super strong

15% hp

is a fucking lot

[mild thunder]

Like, I hate warriors as much as the next guy

[scarlet flame]

not arguing that it was strong lol

[mild thunder]

But it’s not great in raid

It’s okay, but it’s not great

[scarlet flame]

but in raid both specs dps is pretty low

[wheat jay]

so?

[scarlet flame]

so if you only bring them for rally and now its nerfed

[fickle forge]

Talent into the ability that priests get a stronger version of baseline

[scarlet flame]

why bring one at all

[wheat jay]

it doesnt mean shit cuz we dont know how 10.2 will look like

you bring them for more than rally you dumbass

[scarlet flame]

ok what

[wheat jay]

you bring them for rally, for battle shout, and for dmg

[scarlet flame]

their damage is low

rally nerfed

now you only bring for b shout?

[wheat jay]

rally still going to be strong

[mild thunder]

You bring one warrior for shout, and a tank can cover it

[wheat jay]

yes

also, are you talking top 100 or random hc clears?

[scarlet flame]

random heroic clears can do anything so nothing matters at that point

[fickle forge]

Ackhtually, Intervene+parry is good for tank mechanics 🤓

[wheat jay]

cuz in rwf or something you're never gonna see best balance

[mild thunder]

Compare it to a spec like enh and the utility it brings (on top of being a top-tier dps)

[wheat jay]

totem

that's why you bring it

that's the sole reason you bring enh into the raid

[fickle forge]

Ya'll can't see that Artji is just 🎣

[wheat jay]

bruh

[mild thunder]

Healing totems, mana regen for healers, wft, speed totems, aoe cc, tremor, versatile dmg profile…

Other off-healing

[wheat jay]

tremor saw use once

noone is ever off healing as a dps in raid

bro you smoking crack xD

[mild thunder]

All of shamans utility is also magnified in keys

Oh and ofc lust and self-rez

[fickle forge]

Warrior is fixed with the Slam buff

[wheat jay]

healing totems as dps shjaman too?

[wheat jay]

lust provided by mages that have a spot too

[scarlet flame]

if its damage is buffed by 25% but its crit is nerfed by 20% is it really a buff

[wheat jay]

and evokers

[fickle forge]

Fixed I said

[scarlet flame]

with the slam buff

[lavish quest]

Maybe if they add a couple zeros

[mild thunder]

Mage also brings an immune, lust, their own buff and great mobility to take charge of certain mechanics

[scarlet flame]

and didn't slam also get nerfed \

[lavish quest]

I might consider pressing it

[fickle forge]

IP nerfs? To compensate we also nerfed Rally 😎👍

[scarlet flame]

they buffed the fuck out of its damage, no one used it, then they nerfed it

[fickle forge]

Just use Rally for root break with the new PvP talent now

[wheat jay]

and warrior brings shout and rally

done

that's more than enough

[mild thunder]

I’ll shit on arms for being op and degenerate in PvP all day long, but it’s not the same in pve

[thick reef]

IP nerfs only apply to Arms

[scarlet flame]

is it more than enough lol

[wheat jay]

also warr is one of the tankiest classes in pve

[thick reef]

Prot IP still gaming

[fickle forge]

The real PvP spec yes

[scarlet flame]

you aren't bringing shamans to off heal dps you aren't brining warriors to be tanky lol

[mild thunder]

Tankiest to rot damage, not one of the tankiest to big hits

And that tankiness is being lost without ignore pain

[scarlet flame]

if you cared at all about your dps being tanky mages wouldn't be brought period

[wheat jay]

you want a dps that doesn't die

remember guardian of the first ones?

[mild thunder]

.

[wheat jay]

ignore pain is still there, its just not used for dps

jesus christ

[scarlet flame]

y bring classes that die super easily like mages and hunters

[mild thunder]

Yea, which means it’ll be a significant dps loss to use

[wheat jay]

mages dont die

[mild thunder]

Which kinda defeats the idea of them being tanky

[scarlet flame]

🤔

[wheat jay]

its not going to be a dps loss to use when you overcap on rage anyway

XD

[fickle forge]

Artji

[wheat jay]

bro i swear you never raided

[lavish quest]

Yeah, but now ignore pain is a dps loss if you use it when you don't have a ton

[wheat jay]

cuz you're talking out of your ass so hard its unreal

[mild thunder]

Artji

[fickle forge]

Artji

[wheat jay]

stfu kargish

[mild thunder]

Artji

[wheat jay]

you ditched us today

[fickle forge]

Artji

[wheat jay]

you have no right to speak

[fickle forge]

No I didn't

[wheat jay]

bitch

[mild thunder]

Is this why you’re lashing out?

[fickle forge]

I told you I couldn't play

[wheat jay]

"sorry guys, can't play"

[scarlet flame]

i raided a few times this patch

[wheat jay]

had a rough day

[green wyvern]

you guys find the dumbest shit to argue about

[mild thunder]

I raided your mums panties now stfu

[fickle forge]

I preemptively told you yesterday today was iffy

[wheat jay]

almost had a car accident too

[mild thunder]

[fickle forge]

Now

Artji.

[wheat jay]

anyway

[scarlet flame]

jokes on you she doesn't wear any

[wheat jay]

ya'll got stupid takes about pve

[fickle forge]

Stop arguing with the voices

[mild thunder]

Commandooooooo

[wheat jay]

stop being stupid

[scarlet flame]

idk warrior dog in pve

[mild thunder]

Artji

[fickle forge]

Go write a better CV

[scarlet flame]

warrior good in pvp

just the way i like it

[wheat jay]

go get some immunity

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/good-will-hunting-notyourfault-no-nope-sad-gif-4054023

[fickle forge]

I have

[wheat jay]

you're not sick anymore?

[fickle forge]

No

[lavish quest]

WTB 25% Hamstring damage buff next.

[wheat jay]

good

[scarlet flame]

kargish how'd you live through covid

[lavish quest]

[wheat jay]

he didn't

he died

he's a just a husk

of his former self

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder hows the WW set look now, have you seen the changes

[green wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1153693747570294876/caption-1.gif

[lavish quest]

What blizzard does when holding warriors on the regular

[mild thunder]

Dogshit lmao

Imagine having one of the most fun specs in the history of the game

[hot solstice]

how is this even possible???

[mild thunder]

And you constantly make shit changes, shit tier sets and completely ignore its problems

Gg

[scarlet flame]

i feel like being required to use spin kick to proc the damage boost is really fucking bad

[mild thunder]

DF ww is so cringe

Actually pisses me off

Love the spec, hate the dev

And WHAT THE FUCK is blizzard’s obsession with reset procs

It’s so cringe

Let players have agency over their rotation

[scarlet flame]

talking about the 4pc?

[mild thunder]

Instead of throwing in a billion resets to cover mistakes

[scarlet flame]

i like sudden death type stuff the most for procs

[mild thunder]

Nah that stupid fucking rsk reset talent, I hate it

[scarlet flame]

ahh yeah

i like them a bit but it kind of ruins the flow of rotations

[mild thunder]

The whole point of ww is abojt maximising player agency and efficiently managing your resources to maximise the uptime on certain abilities

That all goes out the window when you throw in infinite reset procs

Add that to 40% of your dps being ToD in keys and what the fuck is the point of even doing your rotation lmao

[scarlet flame]

thats the thing i hate the most about arms is random procs can either make your shit feel good or clunky af

[mild thunder]

Remove aoe ToD, revert single-target ToD to legion version

Remove rsk resets

Buff wdp

Remove serenity

Remove fls or make it more interesting

Then we can talk

[scarlet flame]

i like cdr stuff more than resets tbh

serenity is a cool type of cdr but the rsk reset and ms resets are annoying sometimes

[mild thunder]

That’s the fun part of ww - how your kit all interacts with each other (i.e. using x so to reduce the CD of y to buff z) instead of spamming filler

It’s such an awesome, unique spec with an unmatched flow

But yea they fucked it

[scarlet flame]

i think 10.2 im gunna be playing more of because dk ww and warrior all look pretty interesting

and ele too

[mild thunder]

I’m happy with my sv and assa rogue now

[scarlet flame]

i thought about picking up rogue because of a 2s partner i played with for a while

and sub looked really fun

[mild thunder]

I’ll go back to feral for pve when they fix the aoe rotation and ww when they rework the spec

[mild thunder]

Rogue is my pve spec next tier

I love bleeds

[scarlet flame]

i like the dot type of assass tbh

and i like how rogues can just really fuck people up with cc

[mild thunder]

Feral is a super, super fun spec but it’s got a few issues atm that make it super unfun imo

I’ve already written ways with my friend about how they could rework it to make it fun

[scarlet flame]

im such a melee cuck i never wanted to play a ranged class at all but like every melee spec looks super fun

ele is the first time i played a ranged class at all in pvp

and ele is really just insta cast shit so i wouldn't really count it as a real ranged class

[hot solstice]

no reaction? realy?

[delicate parrot]

[hot solstice]

[mild thunder]

ele seems fun until you realise the entire rotation can be automated into one button

[delicate parrot]

I can’t tell if I should be more shocked by the rating increase or the 1kb 0wins

[scarlet flame]

i can see why they'd want to automate it too tbh

the procs are so much more random than ww or warrior

and you do basically no damage if you dont have procs

[mild thunder]

i was tryna pick between fire/arcane and assa/sub

decided to go with rogue but i'll keep mage as an alt

[scarlet flame]

rogue seems way more fun to me than mage

[mild thunder]

fire is incredibly fun

arcane pretty cool too

but assa bleeds are

[scarlet flame]

ive watched arcane a lot and the damage seems so weird

[hot solstice]

fire oulaw rmp zug zugs people

[scarlet flame]

ik it does a ton of damage but it just seems like it does no damage lol

[hot solstice]

just send kidney on cd and kill ppl with random poly on healer

[mild thunder]

it's a very different spec

like ww

[worthy fern]

@mild thunder feral is my favorite spec but I don’t like the current playstyle

[mild thunder]

very non-linear

[hot solstice]

cause rog wont let anything reach u and u do 2ce others dps damage

[worthy fern]

Maybe second fav actually

[scarlet flame]

yeah and it seems like a lot of planning goes into its damage

[mild thunder]

ST rotation is the most fun it's been in a while imo, but the aoe rotation is mindless

[worthy fern]

Pve?

[mild thunder]

ye

pvp it's still fun af imo

[worthy fern]

I don’t like dmg bot

[mild thunder]

i dont think it's a dmg bot atm

[worthy fern]

Tbf I haven’t played it this season with the new clone thing

[mild thunder]

it's just very, very, very squishy

which is fine tbh, just different to what people are used to from SL

[worthy fern]

I really liked both the kyrian and Necro play style of slands

[mild thunder]

kyrian was 💤

it's basically same as necro now tho

just not unkillable

and a few more tools

[worthy fern]

In df beta initially it had really good bite dmg as well as good bleeds which I thought was sick

And then they nerfed bite dmg a lot

[mild thunder]

bite still hits for ~150k crits

defs not bad

[worthy fern]

That’s decent for sure

[mild thunder]

and you hit them back-to-back with apex procs

[worthy fern]

Can you get a good amount of them out

[mild thunder]

ff critting for >80k

[worthy fern]

That is some good dmg

80k ticks?

[mild thunder]

clone > maim > bite > ff > bite

[mild thunder]

ye

only with some... secret tech

feral would be my next pick as a pvp main after survival

only reason i went sv initially was to play jungle with my feral friend

[frank knoll]

I may actually main priest next patch 🥴🥵

[mild thunder]

which priest

[frank knoll]

Disc

[mild thunder]

ye disc looks neat

[frank knoll]

Shadow as an off spec to roll retards in BGs once I’m geared

Kinda bored of warrior TBH

[mild thunder]

all they need to do now is rework sv tier set and 10.2 will be my favourite patch

[frank knoll]

Tier set looks weird, more bomb proc reset stuff

[mild thunder]

it's just odd, forces you into FotE which i dont like

and overcaps your bombs

shoulda given us a kill shot proc tier set

[frank knoll]

Yeah FoTE, is that the spell where you swipe in a frontal cone

[mild thunder]

Serpent Sting damage increased by 30%. Serpent Sting damage now has a chance to grant you Predator, resetting the cooldown of Kill Shot and allowing it to be used on any target regardless of their health threshold.

Kill Shots buffed by Predator now apply an Explosive Shot at 75% effectiveness on your target.

totally not the arms tier set reworked for sv

[frank knoll]

They shoulda just kept flayed shot

[wheat jay]

Sounds good, implement it please

[mild thunder]

or an explosive shot tier set that makes it spread to nearby enemies at 30% effectiveness upon detonation

that'd be sick

[frank knoll]

That basically just turns serpent sting into flayed shot and people would probably bitch about that

Esp PvEr Bellular enjoyers

[mild thunder]

idk anyone that would complain about it

i dont think anyone disliked flayed shot in SL

[frank knoll]

Bro it’s WoW community they’ll bitch about anything

[mild thunder]

nah sv community is too cool for that (there's only 2 of us left)

[frank knoll]

“They just gave us flayed shot back as a tier set it should just be baseline wah wah”

[mild thunder]

unironically

smaller class communities for specs like ww and sv

are infinitely less bitchy

because it's got less fotm rerollers and the people that play it usually just super appreciate it

[frank knoll]

True

Disc should be dope, thought about sticking to fury or maybe playing DH.
Just kinda bored of playing as a melee though, and I plan on doing the solo RBGs, healer or ranged should have a better experience.

[delicate parrot]

[wheat jay]

I like those dh changes

Fucking LIT

[mild thunder]

the dh changes all look pretty good tbh

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge its basically new class

Could be my new class too hehe

[mild thunder]

most of their reworks have been very good in further fleshing out the specs and solving the issues people had

[green wyvern]

it gets stale after a while

jumping around

like a monkey

[mild thunder]

dh class fantasy is pretty sick too ngl

monk > sv > rogue > warrior > dh for class fantasy

not top-tier, but high up

[frank knoll]

What’s SV class fantasy

[wheat jay]

Vietnam

Veteran

Rambo that never left the jungle

[mild thunder]

bombs

oppenheimer

[delicate parrot]

I like this description the best

[mild thunder]

nah it's got a cool survivalist + predator + huntery kinda class fantasy... was my favourite order hall campaign ive done so far

there's this really cool side-quest where Rexxar takes you out into the wilds and teaches you how to survive

[delicate parrot]

yes

[delicate parrot]

[frank knoll]

Warriors is cool to me

[mild thunder]

tryna find the screenshot i had of me and the boys around the campfire in hunter order hall

[frank knoll]

Proletarian class fantasy

You aren’t gifted with magic powers or some ancient knowledge
Just a hard ass mf who will beat someone’s ass

[mild thunder]

warrior is 100% not proletariat... warrior is rich, white socialist kid that thinks they're proletariat while hiding behind their gated community

[frank knoll]

“Ignore Pain”
Whats harder than that

[frank knoll]

That’s Paladin bro

[mild thunder]

paladin is uber conservative himbo bro that has good intentions but does extremely fucked up stuff

[frank knoll]

Also, I’ve met a few pally mains that are into like weird fashy shit and warhammer 40k

[mild thunder]

all ferals are catboys irl

[frank knoll]

Explain DH mains
School Shooters?

[mild thunder]

wannabe edgelords

dh mains wear fake tattoos irl

[sharp meteor]

That's Warlocks.

[mild thunder]

aug mains are cucks irl

seriously bro

you're buffing another man's dmg?

kekw

[frank knoll]

Shamans are like old dudes

Shaman gives 40 year old guy energy

[mild thunder]

aug mains sitting in the cuck chair watching the big, sweaty survival hunter hit the boss with his big, thick sword just wishing he could do that much damage

[frank knoll]

Adam22 would play Aug

[mild thunder]

i was thinking sneacuck

[frank knoll]

Sneako shouldn’t even be relevant
Walmart Andrew Tate

[sharp meteor]

Wym aug is the carry

[frank knoll]

Audience is 12 y/os

[mild thunder]

aug mains cheer them on

that's all they're good for

buff me, bitch

get back into your little cuck chair

did i say you could do damage?

[sharp meteor]

aug can almost doublekill cleaves

owo -upheavals you for 200k-

[mild thunder]

nah they're gonna get nerfed

surely

[wheat jay]

Survi gonna get buffed

Trust me bro

Btw dh or enh for pve?

Hmmm

And for pvp alt of course xD

[mild thunder]

if those are the options

enh 10000%

[sharp meteor]

I feel like both of those are so reliant on tuning

[wheat jay]

Hmm dh eating well tho

[sharp meteor]

enh probs more fun if you like lot of buttons

[wheat jay]

All I care about is fun to be honest

And good mogs hehe

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, sham probs more fun then.

[mild thunder]

enh is a pretty fun spec

good amount of buttons

lots of resources

rotation actually matters

dh is just 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2

[frank knoll]

Healing is the most fun

Especially solo shuffle and PUG m+

[wheat jay]

Afaik its just stormstrike

Done

[mild thunder]

eh, depends on build really

even the ss build will have you rotating LL, stormstrike, ice strike, ele blast, frost shock and maybe 1-2 other things on short CDs

ele builds are a fair bit more fun imo

[frank knoll]

BM is supposedly getting a rework too

[mild thunder]

source?

or do you just mean the buffs it's getting?

[wheat jay]

Its getting some changes too

[frank knoll]

Some YouTuber said it was
Idgaf about BM though, most boring spec in the game

[mild thunder]

yea i mean, those changes are just reducing point costs, right?

i wouldnt call that a rework but it's just semantics

[fallen estuary]

post browser history

[unique fox]

Rally nerfed lol, sick shit, gonna give enough HP for half of a global

[mild thunder]

[pale minnow]

What is this brainless shit?

[mild thunder]

deserved tbh

[pale minnow]

Never used slam, nothing will change, rally nerf?? Ok like if i give a f

[mild thunder]

it's probably getting the point where you can potentially start looking at slam

it would probably be something like "press slam when ms is on cd and <2 overpower stacks"

potentially

[pale minnow]

When u got no op, u just press ip or thunderclap

[mild thunder]

there'll be less incentive to press ignore pain and thunder clap does less damage than slam

[pale minnow]

If it won't do good dam like ms or op it will be just a waste of gcd just like now

[mild thunder]

slam's damage is already okayish now, that's not really the issue

it's about finding a place to use it

and ofc the damage is getting buffed

[pale minnow]

Just make it procc like in bfa for a 100k so we got lucky shots like bitch elem shams with lava burst

[sharp meteor]

Man they really don't like Rally, huh.

[sharp meteor]

Have you been eating all my mage lobbies?

[fallen estuary]

i just got a fucking aug lobby

1-6

i JUST FUCKING HIT 2100

they need to fucking remove aug from this stupid fucking game ong fr

every stupid ass aug evoker i inspect has like 10 games played and all won and all they fucking do is stand there and make their teammates immortal

[pale minnow]

A tip for u mate

[fallen estuary]

im going full mastery build

fuck it

[pale minnow]

Take big spell reflect and use it after he uses breath of eons

150k on his face if he is unawere u can swap fast on him colossus big ms and execute boom scaley on the ground

[fallen estuary]

fr you can reflect that shit?

im prot btw

[pale minnow]

Yeah u can do that as prot too

[fallen estuary]

im just pissed that aug evokers are literally fucking worse than ret rework paladins

[sharp meteor]

Time to channel your inner sub rogue.

also haste still pretty dece

[fallen estuary]

instead of outright killing you they fuckin force you to suffer through a live time slow lobotomy

[sharp meteor]

I think a mix is ideal

hmm depends on rest of lobby i think aug can be fine

[mild thunder]

dh mains malding because they have one buff to track 💀

[sharp meteor]

also unplayable

[sharp meteor]

if wow players had to choose between saving mobility to avoid death or doing a few percent more damage for a few seconds they'll die every time

[mild thunder]

the buff is gonna last 30s in 10.2 anyway lmao

as if you can complain about that

[unique fox]

slam does actually crit for large dam fairly consistently with all the talents, but there's still the issue of never having space to press it and you're not spending 4-5 talents for something that you press once every 30s sometimes, although we dont have ignore pain proccing overpowers anymore so it may see some more use

[mild thunder]

Real

[unique fox]

crushing force should just be one point for starters

[mild thunder]

Especially now that rend upkeep is completely automated

[unique fox]

i think DH is getting a bunch of QOL changes like that so maybe its not unreasonable for war to see some stuff

[mild thunder]

Hunter or monk deserve to be next

[unique fox]

also two handed specialization shouldnt be in the bottom row or shouldnt exist at all and be baked into the class

useless boring talent

[fallen solar]

I used to work at the circus as a human cannonball. Until they fired me

[scarlet flame]

that would be the case if they didn't nerf its crit by 20%, and im like 80% sure they also nerfed its damage before this

[mild thunder]

increasing the damage overall and nerfing crit damage is a buff

and no they had not previously nerfed slam

[scarlet flame]

im pretty sure they put the damage back from 85%

[mild thunder]

source?

i legit just dont remember that

[scarlet flame]

im trying to find it? thats why i said im pretty sure

[mild thunder]

ok cool

[scarlet flame]

i remember going "why would you nerf slam after no one uses it"

[unique fox]

im not sure the last slam buffs appled to pve

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder ig im retarded i can't find anything lmfao i was pretty sure they nerfed its damage after they buffed it to 85%

[mild thunder]

allg

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay

me and Terrence going to work

[fickle forge]

It won't matter in PvP because no one has it on their bar

[mild thunder]

[limber relic]

Why are they nerfing rally tho

Strange nerf

[mild thunder]

rally too strong in raid

[limber relic]

😂

[mild thunder]

i mean

do you think im wrong?

[limber relic]

I didnt say that did i?

Thought it was funny

[mild thunder]

what's funny?

[limber relic]

U are😴

[fickle forge]

😌

[mild thunder]

im sorry, i really shouldnt be so ableist

making fun of retards isnt funny

[fickle forge]

@limber relic My guy I got my coffee, and it's that time of the day
Respond to the man

[mild thunder]

im gonna go play ghost of tsushima

[limber relic]

What is there to respond to? All i see is an angry 2100 hardstuck

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[fickle forge]

I wouldn't have let that slide @mild thunder

[mild thunder]

fuck you, stop tryna instigate

let me play ghost of tsushima in peace, and if this retard wants to accept the deal he can

[fickle forge]

Look man, someone has to ensure this channel gets more than 3 messages a day

[mild thunder]

idek what he's upset about today

[limber relic]

Looks like youre upset here. I mean i would too if i was a knowitall hardstuck

[mild thunder]

you literally got upset because i answered your question

[limber relic]

What makes u think that?

[limber relic]

Damn yeah, that really looks like someone who got upset

U got me

[mild thunder]

i mean, instead of having a real response or discussion you decided to act like a child

which, to be fair, is probably the best response you're capable of giving

[limber relic]

Yes, laughing at blizzards stupid decision is childish and proves im upset and not "up for discussion"

Then again you are hardstuck 2100 so i dont blame ya

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[wheat jay]

Not rly stupid decision

[mild thunder]

doesnt seem like that's what you were laughing at

[fickle forge]

@scarlet barn I completed the mission you bestowed upon me so long ago

[wheat jay]

Nerf makes sense

[mild thunder]

can you stay on topic?

did you take your adderall?

[limber relic]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[mild thunder]

imagine being this boring 💤

[limber relic]

Dont be so angry, its ok

[mild thunder]

.

[fickle forge]

Artji is just a PvE clown, don't mind him

[mild thunder]

he do be right tho

[scarlet barn]

I am so proud

Time to show results

[fickle forge]

Nein

Rally weak

😠

Are they going to buff M&C now that Rally is gonna be a glorified root break I wonder

[mild thunder]

MnC isnt even that bad

arms mains just pretend it is because their other pvp talents are op

[fickle forge]

It wasn't really worth picking in arena, even if you could make it line up with some CDs like wings

Was mostly and RBG talent

Now Rally is nerfed and Inspiring is gone, which directly buffed M&C as well

[scarlet barn]

Early SL pvp talent for rally was busted

[fickle forge]

1 min Rally

+50% health

[mild thunder]

you never took inspiring anyway

[fickle forge]

I mean no, cause no one played M&C

[scarlet barn]

Your opponent has go? Rally

[mild thunder]

because your other pvp talents are just better

[fickle forge]

But Inspiring buffed M&C value too

[scarlet barn]

Healer stunned? Rally

You sneeze? Rally

[mild thunder]

you're losing the potential of something you could have used, but actively chose not to

[fickle forge]

Rally is def best used as a root break now

[mild thunder]

who cares

[fickle forge]

I mean yes

But M&C just needed a little push and it'd be a worthwhile pick

Not gonna be the case now

[mild thunder]

for MnC to be worthwhile it would need to be op

arms' pvp talents are all very strong

[fickle forge]

Kinda?

[mild thunder]

you dont need more and stronger ones

[fickle forge]

It'd have to outclass the other peel options

And when the alternatives are Disarm, Banner, Duel etc.

M&C is just an RBG talent

[mild thunder]

duel, disarm, banner on top of offensive options like SoD and demolition AND you're getting safeguard and BC

cry me a river

[fickle forge]

Safeguard and Sharpen are hard lockins every game basically

[mild thunder]

pretty much

BC where you can afford it

duel and disarm where needed

probably

[fickle forge]

I don't think I'll run BC that often

Surrendering the other options is iffy

Demo, Disarm, Banner, Duel, DS etc.

They're all giga value

[mild thunder]

which is why i said where you can afford it

[fickle forge]

And now you'll proc SD left and right

Why not just default to Death Sentence when you don't need a peel talent

[mild thunder]

because it still has an ICD

and you would probably have to drop massacre to avoid the bug

[fickle forge]

I mean how often do you proc SD twice within 6 sec

It's def big value

[mild thunder]

decently often apparently

often enough that SD procs override each other with the new tier

[fickle forge]

Didn't feel like it on PTR

But maybe it's different when you can mad spread Rend

[mild thunder]

if i played arms id be dropping massacre anyway

imagine having to put up with that dogshit animation

[fickle forge]

Already dropped it now

[mild thunder]

based and relatable

[fickle forge]

Dropped it to engage in my giga scuffed Spear dream with clap compensation

[mild thunder]

it dwoes just feel horrible to use

now i get to use the real execute button, kill shot

[fickle forge]

It feels bigger when you one shot from 20% rather than two shot from 35% ngl

Aesthetics is everything

Meta is 2nd fiddle

[mild thunder]

some men dont need to run meta

[fickle forge]

Kfcgodx

[mild thunder]

wait no, apparently jungle is meta guys

(dont look at hunter/feral participation pls god dont look at it)

[limber relic]

The pvp expert @mild thunder peak 2100 peak.

2023

[mild thunder]

2215 peak this season

[lean burrow]

Anyone knows if those who bought glad boost got banned?

[limber relic]

Damnnn ok that makes it way better

[mild thunder]

unironically where do you get these numbers

bro is actually making shit up

[limber relic]

Sorry.
The pvp expert @mild thunder hardstuck @ 2100.

👏

[mild thunder]

are you allergic to answering questions?

[limber relic]

Peaked 2200. Congratulations

[fickle forge]

That's pretty broad, wdym

[fickle forge]

If you wanna know whether or not there's risk to buying a boost, then yes 😉

[mild thunder]

you were hardstuck with 1k games before you rolled ret/warr bruh

ive been playing a brand new spec for a month and im sitting around 2150-2200

i dont think that's particularly bad lmao

[tulip sable]

yo is bladestorm even worth the fucking talent point?

[fickle forge]

Yes?

[tulip sable]

it tickles

[fickle forge]

Why wouldn't it fucking be

[tulip sable]

llike fuckin tickle

[fickle forge]

CC immunity

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet can answer this

[limber relic]

Yeah yeah ofc. But when i explain thats i play with friends its not true but then u bring excuses for ur 500 games stuck at 2100 :x

[tulip sable]

@galababes well

[fickle forge]

Skill issue

BS is good, and CC immunity is busted

[tulip sable]

how to make zug zug button do zugzug

[mild thunder]

except i dont have 500 games stuck at 2100, i have like 30 games between 2150-2200

like, legitimately

[mild thunder]

do you think this is bad

[limber relic]

Ok so hardstuck <2100 500 games

[mild thunder]

because i think that kinda speaks for itself after i didnt play most of s2

[fickle forge]

Seifcham hitting F5 on CD on me

[mild thunder]

if you wanna say 500 games total for the season is hardstuck, then sure... obviously im not gonna pretend i logged onto survival and became a god but i think that's a reasonably respectable record

you have almost 10k games on warrior IN THIS SEASON

[limber relic]

Wat

I mean i could have 30k games if 29500 were just casual games playing w friends or w/e does it stil matter?

[mild thunder]

when time spent in the game generally contributes to how well/quickly you can improve, yes

again, i dont think my record for the season is at all bad

[limber relic]

Ok so i have 29500 games playing w friends and as soon as i try for glad i get it in 100 games?🤔

Whats ur point?

[fickle forge]

I won't lie man, wish I had friends that could commit to my schedule that hard, like Seif's

[mild thunder]

but that's just... not true? your friends ditched you because they didnt wanna play with you anymore and felt you were holding them back

[limber relic]

Thats 1 team that i played with

I didnt do 800 games with them

😂

[mild thunder]

that's the team you were complaining you were stuck with

[limber relic]

Yeah

We pushed 2300. Played max 200 games with them

Yes i tried to push with them.

[mild thunder]

pushed 2300 then tanked back down***

[limber relic]

To 2200

Your peak

Yes they ditched me. Yes they are stil stuck 2200

🤷‍♂️

[mild thunder]

after you had alreayd played about twice as many games than i have by now

sure

[mild thunder]

because they didnt roll ret/warr

[fickle forge]

When did you start Q'ing with your current team? @limber relic

[limber relic]

I just explained like 20x that i played with friends before that? Does ur 2100 hardstuck brain not understand or do i have to dumb it down for u

Poor soul

No wonder

[mild thunder]

i play with friends too, i dont use it as an excuse lmao

[limber relic]

I can check vod for exact date

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[scarlet barn]

Angry cat cleave

[wheat jay]

Angry cat cleave was the best timeline

[fickle forge]

Peak arc

Maybe one day it'll return

[scarlet barn]

@fickle forge @mild thunder @limber relic post highest recorded rating you got

And then fight

[fickle forge]

We already have

And we're already fighting

😎 👍

[mild thunder]

my character is publicly available to everyone

[scarlet barn]

Maybe one day i will return

[fickle forge]

If any Highmaulers ever go feral alt, we'll commit to scissor cleave

[limber relic]

Already done. @mild thunder 2200 and @fickle forge 2500?

[mild thunder]

2215

[limber relic]

👏👏

[fickle forge]

Something like that, I peaked on enh sham

[mild thunder]

fotm reroller

[fickle forge]

It was very very not FotM at the time

I wanted an alt and Afro wanted to play

[wheat jay]

Fuck rating, tell me your % on the ladder

[limber relic]

And im 2665 🤷‍♂️

[mild thunder]

what season was that peak?

[fickle forge]

Top 5 worldwide in SL S4

[wheat jay]

Not as arms you idiot

Overall

[fickle forge]

Stfu, it was literal F-tier

I'll only count other arms Chads

[scarlet barn]

Top 5%

[wheat jay]

Ye that's why you were 5th

[scarlet barn]

[fickle forge]

: )

[wheat jay]

There were like 7 of them

[scarlet barn]

Ok now fight

But rule of thumb

[wheat jay]

Anyway, 0.4%

[fickle forge]

Nah man I was top 5 out of all 5 arms warriors worldwide that season

[scarlet barn]

You can be rank one

And still have shitty takes

[limber relic]

Started push at 2180 sept 9th. Got glad sept 17th i think

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[mild thunder]

case in point - any time mud talks

[limber relic]

Sl s2. When was ur 2215 peak?

[mild thunder]

2 days ago

[fickle forge]

Ret warr got you elite and 50 wins in sub-2 weeks?

We're doing the wrong comp Artji

[wheat jay]

Lmao

We really are

[mild thunder]

nah bro it was the hardcore skill and coordination of sometimes lining up HoJ and bolt

[wheat jay]

I could be doing 90k dps as ret meanwhile I do traps

[fickle forge]

Lmao

Maybe if you didn't int in 3 seconds some games

It'd be easier

[mild thunder]

did you see my 150k flanking?

[fickle forge]

I wonder why Artji is a pile of rust when he only plays the game once a decade 🤔

Doesn't even Q shuffle inbetween smh

[limber relic]

On your warrior?

[mild thunder]

warrior is boring

he's gone, deleted, dead

[wheat jay]

I deserved to lose that game

[fickle forge]

Not if you engaged your Chad reactive brain instead of dropping to your knees and accepting it

"Ah ye I deserve this loss"

Fuckies dies without trinketing

[mild thunder]

what's the point of turtling when you die through it anyway

[fickle forge]

Man could have literally trinket+disengage into our healer's LoS

And he just accepted his death

Kinda Chad, but also really not Chad at all

[limber relic]

Yep. And ofc it has to be boosted by class/comp/team ect

[fickle forge]

I mean no offense dude, but do you really think the comp doesn't matter?

[limber relic]

Beating mirror games were prob just staged

[limber relic]

Ofc it does

[mild thunder]

you can beat other braindead ret/warr comps?

[limber relic]

Beating mirror games? Boosted :/

[mild thunder]

did i ever call you boosted?

[limber relic]

Did i say you did?

[mild thunder]

you're implying i did, yes

[fickle forge]

I ain't ever call you bad bro

[mild thunder]

why do you have to be so snakey

[limber relic]

No im implying that there has ro be some other reason we beat mirror

[mild thunder]

yea, the other ret/warr teams probably arent full of groundbreaking players either

[fickle forge]

Rdruid > Others
Eksdee

[limber relic]

Mirror = ret warr rdru

We beat ret warr fw too

[fickle forge]

Nah that shit's gotta be a 25 min match

[limber relic]

Ret warr rsham

[fickle forge]

I hope you beat the fistweavers team, Idk how you'd lose that

[wheat jay]

Gigadampers