pvp

[wispy drum]

My country's dealing with some shit called MAID over here and it's being suggested to people with disabilities, and it's uh...

Any time people ask me why I'm so damn cranky I just gesture to all the shit happening right now and go back to being a hermit.

I just wanna kill Horde and farm HKs and zone out from this shit, you know?

[teal hedge]

Biggest issue my country has is about 20% of our parliament consisting of our "former" nationalist / fascist party

[teal hedge]

So true bestie

(Oh and these 20% are in a coalition with our current government)

[wispy drum]

[mild thunder]

all that's been going on in aus for the last few months is the lead-up to an indigenous voice bill

[teal hedge]

You know what they call fascists with centrist economic practices?

[teal hedge]

Oh right! With stuff like Uluru, right?

[mild thunder]

it's just a vote on whether we want to formally implement via the constitution a parliamentary advisory body on behalf of indigenous australians

[teal hedge]

Oh okay

[mild thunder]

vote is coming up soon iirc

[teal hedge]

I like voting in stuff

Being baptised I also get to vote on who controls the swedish church, lmao

[wispy drum]

Should get into actually speaking on issues. It's nerve wracking but worth it.

[mild thunder]

i used to vote on church matters

and attend important meetings

i even preached a few times

[wispy drum]

I've spoken to the local mayor and council on disability rights stuff and accessibility before and like, it's not as hard as people make it out to be.

o:

[wispy drum]

give me a sermon on how to git gud

[teal hedge]

Only stuff I've done is school stuff and funerals

Otherwise I'm not churchly

But I still have to pay that damn tax every month

[mild thunder]

i was a good little christian boy

[teal hedge]

Not very comfortable with religion, but I know the bible

[wispy drum]

I wasn't.
I was that weirdo goth 7 year old.

[mild thunder]

i went to bible institute to train to be a pastor, was super involved etc.

[teal hedge]

Sounds fun, all things considered

[mild thunder]

thank god i escaped amirite

[wispy drum]

Paladins man

[mild thunder]

nah religion is chill, i dont really care about whether people are religious or not

[teal hedge]

I've had the cringiest opinion-arc of all time as well

[mild thunder]

most religious people ive met, especially christians, tend to be exceedingly nice and caring and open to understanding

[teal hedge]

Unironically liked Hunter Avalone, Benjamin Shapiro and Stephen Crowder when I was in middle school.

[wispy drum]

Catholics are the ones who helped me dig out of some major IRL shit and they did not care about who I was. I'm still thankful and pop by sometimes.

[mild thunder]

hunter avallone went from being cringe to being cringe

[teal hedge]

Parents always talked that social-democrat talk and then I just caught on and went even further left 😭

Very thankful that we get discounted funeral ceremonies from the church, tbh.

[mild thunder]

soc-dem

[teal hedge]

Isn't he a liberal now?

[frank knoll]

I get my poltical views from Hasan Piker

[mild thunder]

eh, kinda but in the cringiest way

[teal hedge]

FUCK PIKER! RAHHHHH

[mild thunder]

[teal hedge]

Worst liberal on the planet

[mild thunder]

himbo dipshit retard

[teal hedge]

<3

[mild thunder]

he's a socialist, we dont claim him

[frank knoll]

Have to root for him though

[teal hedge]

I don't claim him either

[mild thunder]

i do not

[teal hedge]

He just complained about taxes, which makes him liberal

[frank knoll]

Turk-Albanian friendship pact

[teal hedge]

Are you forgetting skanderbeg

[mild thunder]

nah it just makes him a hypocrite

[wispy drum]

So, does arms or fury give more damage perception?

[mild thunder]

Lasan Liker

[wispy drum]

[fresh valve]

nothings changed lolololol

[frank knoll]

Only people who still care about medieval battles and make it part of their mythos are Serbs

[mild thunder]

hasan is the absolute bottom-of-the-barrel political pundit

[teal hedge]

But he was so cool

[frank knoll]

We should turn skyhold into Balkan chat

[teal hedge]

He's a 3-star general in EU4 😭

[fresh valve]

Fungus? is that you?

[teal hedge]

Yessir

Pleasure

[frank knoll]

You Hasan haters are Vaush fans @mild thunder @teal hedge

[fresh valve]

y u galangus now

[teal hedge]

Vaush is fine, actually

[mild thunder]

vaush is a fucking cringelord retard that SAs minors in discord

[teal hedge]

This whole "gala" cult thingy

[frank knoll]

Hasan is relatable to me

[teal hedge]

Hasan would not last a day in Sweden

[mild thunder]

are you also a multi-millionaire that got your entire life handed to you on a silver platter by your extremely succesful uncle?

[teal hedge]

He'd think we were communists and then he'd freak out about having to pay like 30% taxes

[frank knoll]

He has some decent takes, looks kinda like me, is kinda a gym bro dude

[teal hedge]

I agree with the second part

We need larger politicians

[mild thunder]

hasan is a walking, talking epitome of being morally lucky

[fresh valve]

Kyle Kulinski > everyone else

[mild thunder]

every good opinion he has by complete accident

[frank knoll]

He is self aware of that though @mild thunder

Talks about it a lot

[teal hedge]

OUR PRIME MINISTER IS SO SMALL

We cannot have this

[fresh valve]

Bro this game is still dogshit

[mild thunder]

who cares lol, still a himbo idiot that says some exceedingly stupid (and occasionally disgusting) stuff

[frank knoll]

He mainly wants free health care and makes fun of cops

That’s 90% of what he talks about

[mild thunder]

let's not forget this is the guy that mocked ukrainians for being afraid of a russian invasion

[mild thunder]

lol

[teal hedge]

Our pm is the one to the right

LOOK

[frank knoll]

Why do you care if he’s a himbo

[wispy drum]

bruh

[frank knoll]

So did a lot of people

[fresh valve]

Hasan stole all the gamer girls I want him dead

[teal hedge]

We need to implement a sort of Mak'Gora irl

[violet fossil]

Is this the hate hasan group

[mild thunder]

yes

[violet fossil]

ok good

fuck that guy

[frank knoll]

Ukraine was a corrupt shit hole before
The same people are in charge
And people act like it’s this bastion of hope and freedom now

[mild thunder]

all my homies hate Hasan

[teal hedge]

Real take

[fresh valve]

dudes an LA socialist lmfao who tf takes that shit seriously

[frank knoll]

It’s doomed to be a NATO client state without being NATO

[teal hedge]

But I also recognise that Ukraine is the smaller and weaker nation, and thus should be helped.

[mild thunder]

even if that WAS entirely true (it isnt), it just isnt relevant to whether they have a right to self-defense lmao

[teal hedge]

Also, fuck Russia

[frank knoll]

They have the right to self defense

[violet fossil]

yes but that wasn’t the reason why it was helped

[teal hedge]

Sweden's number 2 largest enemy

[frank knoll]

I’m just not dumb enough to think it’s a Marvel movie or some shit

[fresh valve]

nah fuck em

idgaf

[frank knoll]

The good guy west vs Evil Putler

[fresh valve]

Fungus u play BG3 yet?

[frank knoll]

Also, they get billions of dollars, and US social programs don’t get shit. Any American has the right to be upset about that

[violet fossil]

media painted it like that

where money for Maui

send to Ukraine

[fresh valve]

or Israel lmfao

fuck Israel

[violet fossil]

for gender studies

[frank knoll]

Look up how much lethal aid is on the black market

They found rifles and stuff in Sudan with serial numbers that were traced and confirmed to be part of Ukraine aid packages

[fresh valve]

Israel legit oppressed becoming the oppressors

Israel on some Githyanki shit

[teal hedge]

I haven't played it, nah

[fresh valve]

L

[teal hedge]

Been on the CS2 grind as of yesterday

Game looks solid but I

But I'm afraid the humor isn't my type

Oh and I finished Disco Elysium!

Actual banger of a game

[fresh valve]

Based

I thought the end was underwhelming

[frank knoll]

Ukraine, least corrupt country

[fresh valve]

the shit with the Deserter tho was top tier

[wispy drum]

Anybody play Ultrakill?

[teal hedge]

Yeah end was very underwhelming

[teal hedge]

I play it when they release major updates

[wispy drum]

I take it that it's good then?

[teal hedge]

But it's also very much in line with the story, I feel

[teal hedge]

Yeah, entertaining gameplay, depends on how addicted you feel to movement shooters

[fresh valve]

You should seriously check out Planescape Torment if you loved Disco

[teal hedge]

Loved the way it does politics

[wispy drum]

[fresh valve]

I thought the use of Jargon was excessive tbh

[teal hedge]

But yeah, ultrakill is silly

[teal hedge]

Binoclard take

[fresh valve]

A clever man need only simple words to blow minds

[teal hedge]

I got the gay communist ending

Also I was called a "sorry cop"

[fresh valve]

I did fascism cuz I thought it was the most introspective

[teal hedge]

The funniest as well

Considering you have Kim as your partner

[fresh valve]

I was never racist tho lol

but after the vision quest I guess the game thought I was a neo nazi

[teal hedge]

I was 😈

[fresh valve]

fuckin kipt

seriously tho checkout Torment that game will rock you

way harder than disco

[teal hedge]

Just Torment?

[fresh valve]

Planescape Torment

its on sale

[teal hedge]

This shit look old as hell

[fresh valve]

its built on the same engine as Fallout 1 and 2

[teal hedge]

What

I could hardly play those games :(

[fresh valve]

combat is kinda irrelevant tbh

mostly reading

[teal hedge]

Is it witty and political?

[fresh valve]

bro people call it the most philosophical game ever made

and its super easy to fuckin read

the whole premise of the story is you're this guy who literally cant die

like his body just fixes itself

but he loses his memory each time it happens

and it's been going on for a longass time

its set in the D&D universe btw

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor YO LMAO dbod got banned lmfaooo

[fresh valve]

extremely witty

[teal hedge]

D&D....

If I share my opinions on this subject I will be gutted

[fresh valve]

well not the D&D you know

[fallen estuary]

Thread got locked by an admin lmfao

[fresh valve]

its set in the Planescape setting of D&D

[sharp meteor]

Perhaps he shouldn't have told somebody whose kid died to "reroll another kid".

[fallen estuary]

LMAO

[fresh valve]

what dont u like about D&D lol

[fallen estuary]

That and openly saying hes griefing ppls games

[teal hedge]

I mean, from what I've seen and heard it's just another fantasy world, and a very generic one at that

[sharp meteor]

I had him in one of my lobbies and he didn't.

I haven't had any healers grief aside from one guy go AFK when he was gonna go 0-6 and I politely asked if he was sure he wanted to play adapt into sub/ret.

In like 2000 rounds.

[fresh valve]

its not just one fantasy world bro

D&D encompasses like over 20+ fantasy worlds

but you'd have to be a big geek to know that

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder once again the warrior tier set is green dogshit

js

this shit ugly as fuck

[fresh valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKaTWlZkb3s&ab_channel=MaxDerrat

[teal hedge]

Yeah I've never actually been a big fantasty geek

[fresh valve]

this guy made a pretty good vid on the game

I wouldnt call Planescape strictly fantasy

its like a weird melting pot of a lot of shit

tbh that's really the whole point of the setting

but yea Disco Elysium was mostly inspired by this game according to the devs

[teal hedge]

The devs also thanked Marx and Engels

(holy based)

[fresh valve]

I mean political thinking is just an extension of group psychology

[teal hedge]

Yeah

[fresh valve]

Disco focuses mostly on the societal aspect while Planescape Torment focuses on the individual and how an individual perceives the world around them

[teal hedge]

Yeah dude, talking to the deserter

Peak

[fresh valve]

ya the peaks for me were the Tribunal and the Deserter

[teal hedge]

Tribunal was also great

[fresh valve]

Ruby was dissapointing imo

[teal hedge]

I was the sensitive archetype

Shit was hype

Dude I fucked the entire ruby situation up lmao

But I didn't save so I just went with it

[fresh valve]

idk the whole game I thought some conspiracy shit was goin on but like not really

I definitely became a more cautious drinker after I played it

[teal hedge]

Alcoholism stuff was genuinely depressing

And his whole not being able to let go of the past

(Just like Martinaise!)

[fresh valve]

The main writer used to be a massive alcoholic

he wrote a book that sold like shit and it fucked with him

Creatives are truly tortured souls

so did Gala get glad yet?

[scarlet sorrel]

just so I am not an idiot, which I am, the pinned builds are still the go to for arms, yes?

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay >250k in ~1s

[covert cobalt]

what is good talent build for RBG?

[fresh valve]

so did anyone get glad in here lol

[teal hedge]

I have not played since june, sadly

Was planning to hop on but money is tight and I simply do not have the time / will to play da game

[fresh valve]

ya as soon as BG3 came out I couldnt be bothered

[teal hedge]

I'll prolly hop on the cs2 grind

[fresh valve]

I wanted to get cutting edge but raiding is embarassing rn

[teal hedge]

Also, been doing some socialising irl as well B)

Gotta cut spending on wow to afford liquor

[fresh valve]

based

[teal hedge]

(I drink responsibly)

Like, last night I pregamed with 4 shots of vodka

And then I bought 4 drinks

[fresh valve]

you're 20 now right?

[teal hedge]

One smirnoff ice, one piña colada, one martini, one rum & coke and one jäger shot

I'm 19

(Also got one extra shot at the end)

[fresh valve]

did u graduate?

[teal hedge]

Yessir!

I popped off

Got into pharmaceutical school, but I'm taking a year off from education and am focusing on making some money and working on myself

[fresh valve]

well at least you know what you want to do

college is a nightmare if you're clueless about your future

[teal hedge]

Biggest focus has actually been fitness

But health is doing all it can to stop me :P

[limber relic]

I will tomorrow perhaps

[fresh valve]

u got wins?

[limber relic]

Got this just now

And we're ATLEAST 2550 mmr

[scarlet sorrel]

you are number 69 which is nice

[fresh valve]

they inflate the ladder?

new season'll prolly come november

[limber relic]

Not by much and i honestly think new season will come in middle/end of oct

Last season ended like 1 month after 10.0.7 release

[limber relic]

😂

[fresh valve]

so pvp is still dogshit

any thoughts on the green weinerdragon?

[fresh valve]

oh and btw the first convo you have in the game is a debate with a floating skull about whether or not Female zombies are sexy

[wispy drum]

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWCJJJkkoVKJBAAAAEEJCIBFENKJCJhiEhECQkAAAAAAAAQiWiIgQ0QA

Dpoy's build which I used to 2100.
Change some stuff depending on if you're playing O or D on some maps as needed.

You can run unhinged over hurricane, but I actually prefer hurricane personally on most maps.

CtF maps, escort your tank if it's a heavy melee team. War Banner / Disarm / Duel are extremely powerful on D.

[wispy drum]

I love it, but I'm also weird. Also won't be able to get it unless the ladder hyper-inflates so I'm ignoring it exists.

[fresh valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/16d1g93/possible_season_4_gladiator_mount_icon_on_102_ptr/

Im skeptical... they might turn this shit yellow

[mild thunder]

i dont think there is a season 4

10.2 is almost definitely the end of DF

[sharp meteor]

Draggy.

[fresh valve]

Season 4 SL was underrated af

honestly the 2nd best season

[sharp meteor]

SL s4 was so sick for keys.

The pvp season was fine I thinks just deadski cos more of the same plus wotlk came out.

[fresh valve]

Fated raids were great

[mild thunder]

s4 SL still more alive than any season of DF arena

[fresh valve]

beginning of the end for pvp tbh

[mild thunder]

for arena*

pvp will go on, just in a shitter, diminished version

[fresh valve]

true pvp started dying after Wod

dying slowly

half the wow playerbase will die every 5 years from now

I have no statistics to back this but it sounds about right

[unique fox]

Theyll die a figurative death as a result of finally getting girlfriends and having kids

[fresh valve]

or they legit die

the playerbase is kind of like the country of Japan

[magic wing]

Moving on to better things

[steep inlet]

Fell into Warhammer Online, pure PvP game

Feel 10 times better

All systems and players are toward PvP and RvR

[quaint osprey]

Any Tips against Aug-DH?

They cut my dick off

[shy aurora]

Best comp for arms now? 3s

[mild thunder]

turbo, arms/sp, arms/arcane, arms/ret, tsg all good

probably a few others

but turbo and tsg are probably far and away the best

[quaint osprey]

Does anyone in here know the addon that combined nameplateauras with Bigdebuffs? Ive seen it somewhere but i forgot the name

[mild thunder]

threatplates?

not sure if that's specifically what you mean but it has the features of both addons iirc

[quaint osprey]

On the left side it showed the recent pressed spells, on top it was active cds and on the right it was debuffs

[wheat jay]

kfc

[mild thunder]

legit better than jungle right now

turbo is also so fucking cringeeeee

[limber relic]

ret/warr prob the best comp rn i think

[limber relic]

❤️

im guessing u need glad wins for glad title to show up?

[frank knoll]

Resto Druid is going to be nuts

[limber relic]

its already nuts

[dreamy moat]

didn't let a vdh play the game in ctf in a random bg

that was fun

he barely got halfway with the flag and out of spawn lol

[finite fox]

I think it’s ok nothing crazy, but fistweaver with current iteration of 10.2 will be good again

And thats especially dangerous considering tsg is going from good to great with the upcoming changes

People thought ret war with fw was dangerous wait til casters can’t escape because of the excessive roots, and grips 70% slows and aoe stuns

[limber relic]

this guy is fuming

[green wyvern]

warrior sssssssssssss tier

[lavish quest]

Amazes me people think like that. Playing warrior is hopping on the struggle bus lol

[teal hedge]

No warrior is actually just good

[muted surge]

Did they buff bladestorm or what?

[limber relic]

yeah

[muted surge]

Maybe it’s time to hop on again

[fickle forge]

Aug+warr

[limber relic]

ret+warr>all warr comp

[mild thunder]

i like to forget they exist

leave me in peace

[limber relic]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1916434915

imagine surviving with like 20k health

xd

[frank gorge]

heya guys whats the best pvp embelishments for arms ?

feet and ?

[wheat jay]

Back iirc

[frank gorge]

iirc?

the sporecloak ?

[robust hearth]

Did he delete his char?

[limber relic]

he doesnt show it

[robust hearth]

How?

[limber relic]

u can hide ur characters on checkpvp

[robust hearth]

Lame, how u do it tho?

[limber relic]

gotta log in and in settings u can hide

[robust hearth]

ty

[fickle forge]

Most beta comp on the planet

Lowest bench press comp

[limber relic]

its funny tho, idk how many rets ive played with and failed hard

and then yday i play with good ppl and boom 70% winrate

[fickle forge]

Ret+warr is pretty much fool proof and singleminded

[limber relic]

appearently not

[mild thunder]

real

chads play jungle and kfc

[limber relic]

laughing in glad

[mild thunder]

Do you actually have gladiator yet?

[limber relic]

No;( need my 50 wins

But our team is 2600 ish mmr so shouldnt be an issue

[quaint osprey]

how do you counter Aug + DH as Ret/Fury

or do you just enjoy

[charred onyx]

feel like rogues should not be allowed to also have a 70% slow option while having the msot cc

also did cloak always immune bleeds or am i just not understanding something

[dreamy moat]

Dude it's actually pathetic how tilted he gets from this.
I just an arcane mage and bladestorm does not immediately win the game against them
It's still a skill issue for me dealing with arcane/frost but it's as simple as blinking away or some shit

[limber relic]

Go aug stop his ebon might, try swapping on scales

[limber relic]

He went 1/5 btw 😂

[limber relic]

10.1 update. Cloak removes everything. Even disarm 😂

[dreamy moat]

where are my games where people are getting tilted by warrior, not me getting tilted by other classes like ww or mages 😭

[charred onyx]

its insane how much they prefer rogues in this game lol

also in 2v2, what do you do about resto druids that know how to kite really well on a huge map to prevent them from drinking

[limber relic]

when u smash ppl, they cri

😄

[dreamy moat]

the last shuffle I had, I had rounds that ended up going against arcane/fury/x or arcane/ret/x
does anything else become a viable target or do I try to stay on arcane?

[lavish quest]

I mean... I can deal with a ww. But fuck mages

Fuck ranged in general

[quaint osprey]

the bastards just fly away with unburdend flight talent

[lavish quest]

I'd probably just hit "not the arcane" but maybe I'm doing it wrong. But at least going their partner gives me a chance to do damage

We have 3 bits of mobility. Arcane has 13. So you're never gonna win out on that cat and mouse game

[limber relic]

just chase him down, can alwayts hardswap on DH if no blurr

[robust hearth]

Will TSG be good in season 3?

[limber relic]

Anything warr will be mvp in s3

[limber relic]

No point in going arcane. Better off going otger dps

[robust hearth]

Hope the duelist illusion looks cool

[dreamy moat]

i thought so, do you think the same for frost?

[lavish quest]

What makes you say that?

[limber relic]

Have u seen the changes to warr?:D

[frank knoll]

I can’t wait

[lavish quest]

Probably. Maybe you can keep up with fire. Slightly. Maybe. If they afk.

[limber relic]

No frost is easier

[frank knoll]

I do not want 10.2 to be a wizard meta

[lavish quest]

Yes, but I don't see anything saying I'm not going to be 40 yds from my target 90% of the match except rally will let me move for 0.5 seconds before I'm slapped with another passive slow

[frank knoll]

Just play fury bro

Honestly, that’s why all of the top warriors are Gnome I think

[lavish quest]

Unfortunately I have self respect (somehow after all these years of warrior... ) so I'm not going gnome.

[limber relic]

I mean u can stil keep up with targets tbh. Mages are tough cuz displacement and aug too sure but Nothing else should kite u really

Rets mby

[lavish quest]

All I see are mages, druids, and monks, which I can't stick on 😞

I see a priest and get excited because I might be able to hit damage buttons.

[limber relic]

Druids are ez to stick on

[lavish quest]

But also I've been doing 2s pretty much exclusively for the last week or so.

I spam hamstring on em and still they get away

Even with me predicting the form shift spam lol

[limber relic]

My last 3s game was against haitsu and immuz at like 2600 mmr. Poor druid couldnt breath

🥲

[lavish quest]

I must learn your ways then. I'm just running around a pillar for 20 mins with my only real hope of killing those classes is getting a stun lock down and getting MS worthy of busting on the spot for

[limber relic]

2s is diffrent. I hate it

If druid does that in 3s. Just swap then swap back when he comes back

[lavish quest]

I'm starting to 😂
I just found this MW I've been playing consistently with for and I'm just trying to improve and not be ass.

I haven't done 3s in so long. Just solos and recently 2s
The depression is real

In the 2k-2.1k range in the epic 2s pillar humping competition

[limber relic]

Yeah thats why i hate 2s

🤮

[charred onyx]

i miss the fury pvp talent in bfa that removed all slows and sped you up everytime you pressed bloodthirst

[lavish quest]

Sounding like I really need to find a 3rd then. Lol
My 2s games is seeing who can hump the pillar the longest without getting a rash.

[limber relic]

Feelsbadman my healer cant play today so no glad wins today

[finite fox]

Piercing roots as well now

Just run tsg so if you don’t have charge you guys have a grip gg

Only issue may be locks with 20 second port

[lavish quest]

Mages can blink in it. Monks can port it. Druids shift it. Locks port it. And pretty much everyone else has a way out of it. Sooo not holdin out tons of hope on it tbh

Do you guys think war banner will be taken with the 2 new honor talents?

What loadout do you think will be the most used/standard? Sharpen/Safeguard/Shouts? Sharpen/Safeguard/Banner?

[lavish quest]

No glad wins for me ever because I'm bad 😂

[limber relic]

The bladestorm one will be sick and safeguard

[lavish quest]

It's nice, but is their room to take it? Won't apply MS anymore right?

[charred onyx]

i wish that safeguard talent was also allowed in pve. miss being able to safeguard healers during aoe damage

[limber relic]

no prob not

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor

[onyx marlin]

monk died tho?

[fallen estuary]

i just carried his ass

and no he didnt

[onyx marlin]

[fallen estuary]

monk was dogshit but i got him 1 win

prot bros stay winning

4-6 that lobby

mmr boos from last 5-6 gave me 40 pts bros

2092 atm

just 100 pts and im at ob legend cutoff

[fickle forge]

Honestly an insult

[sharp meteor]

Lmao.

Honestly protecting hunters can be fine but mages are the worst.

So many blinks.

[delicate parrot]

Happy Sunday all

[lyric grove]

am I crazy for almost always using fatality over executions precision in solo shuffle?

[fallen estuary]

holy fuck they need to nerf aug so fucking badly

[delicate parrot]

yes

but if you like it more or find it to be more effective, that’s a win for you

I personally don’t like it

[lyric grove]

Maybe I play weird but I just feel like EP doesnt really add much

Or maybe i completely misjudge that

[robust hearth]

Who?

[robust hearth]

No

[fallen estuary]

yea they do

[green moss]

is haste equal to mastery now for arms?

[robust hearth]

[heavy iron]

Someone else left a SS and I lost rating. Why does this happen to me sadge. Was 1 win from 1800

[quaint osprey]

turns out we are performing really well if we ignore his existance and just smack his partner

[fallen estuary]

i feel so fucking evil LMAO

i went into a 2v2 witha friend and it was arms / resto

98%damp

and i lived so long i killed both of them

friend died

i was only alive

[magic wing]

Gj Dababy

[fallen estuary]

a

almost there

just

1 more

lucky lobby

[magic wing]

Fuk you mean

You already 2100

[fallen estuary]

obsidian legend cutoff for prots 2180

im getting my r1 title

im r4 prot warrior in NA atm

[thick reef]

This man is a fucking legend

[heavy iron]

Holy shit what a god

[magic wing]

Swifty's son

Right here

[limber relic]

swapping is good too haha

[fallen estuary]

just doordashed me some ritas boys

gonna get these wins n shit

[teal hedge]

What the fuck is a rita

[thick reef]

Hows the solo shuffle que looking these days?

[limber relic]

Shit as usual

[magic wing]

A latina escort

[fallen estuary]

lmao

[magic wing]

No better way to celebrate a victory

[violet fossil]

gay

where whiskey

[fallen estuary]

Next to my rotting wontons

[violet fossil]

Gotta go for

[fallen estuary]

i like me JD

i like the feeling of a rough throat after drinkin it

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder what you think of these set bonuses

[mild thunder]

Both strong, both pretty cool

Only downside of fury tier is that it kills rb builds

[scarlet flame]

WW one looks hella boring

and idk how much i like arms one

[mild thunder]

Ww tier sucks

Super convoluted for a super weak effect

It’s approx. 3s of CDR per minute

[scarlet flame]

and the damage amp isn't even instant

you have to use a gcd for it

[mild thunder]

Yea it’s just not good at all

Sv tier is very strong, very cool
Feral tier is VERY strong, pretty cool

[scarlet flame]

the arcane mage one seems kind of insane

[mild thunder]

Imma raid on rogue

Outlaw and assa are both looking very fun

[fallen estuary]

oh

ohmahgawd

shield slam skullsplitter

UGH

[finite fox]

Arms tier seems good no?

[mild thunder]

It’s strong and it’s cool

[finite fox]

Just need to know how strong dk tier is and ret and then we know what we are doing

[mild thunder]

Uhdk tier seemed kinda mid iirc

[finite fox]

Kitty cleave Inc with that feral set tho

Lol

[mild thunder]

Ret looks pretty cool

Just more damage

[wheat jay]

KFC will be good

[frank knoll]

DH looking spicy too

[mild thunder]

Jungle is dead

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[wheat jay]

Good

Fuck jungle

Go be a monkey somewhere else

[delicate parrot]

fuck jungle indeed

[mild thunder]

My feral partner refuses to play anything else

[delicate parrot]

typical feral player

[wheat jay]

Tell me more

Fucking Kargish is the same

[frank knoll]

I’d take jungle meta over RMP or shadowplay any day

[wheat jay]

Rmp is usually fun to play against

[mild thunder]

Feral is fun af tho no cap

[wheat jay]

I still want to try that dh

But probably next tier

Cuz dh set kinda fire next tier

Ladies and gentlemen

We got'em

[finite fox]

Yea s4

Looks nice

[heavy iron]

After 6 leavers in a row making me lose rank I have obtained 1800 for the first time ever

[sharp meteor]

Oh, that is excellent.

[wheat jay]

Red is still better but it is what it is i guess

[fallen estuary]

Dawg they better make a old god xpac next

Imagine the insanely good looking designs theyll make

[mild thunder]

if we're getting a s4, i'd expect it to look like the final season of SL

given that we're already getting the official AotC mount in 10.2 and the fact that 11.0 is gonna get announced in Nov

[wheat jay]

Next expansion 100% gonna be galakrond/void themed

[mild thunder]

idk im still expecting something vaguely piratey + voidy

they've been selling the pirate theme way too hard for them to not go through with it

and they'll tie it into the void stuff by making the king of the pirates some Euron Greyjoy-esque eldritch figure

i hope, cause that'd be sick

[green wyvern]

tbh Im not excited for new expac at all

they have to fix so many problems

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/euron-greyjoy-bow-game-of-thrones-pilou-asbaek-go-t-gif-9363962

this guy, but actually cool

[mild thunder]

like what? DF has been a pretty good xpac

there's less to fix going from DF to new xpac than there was coming from SL to DF

[green wyvern]

really?

[mild thunder]

yes

[green wyvern]

dont stats prove otherwise

[mild thunder]

nope

[green wyvern]

way less raiders and m+ players

than any other expac

pvp is dead but thats to be expected

[mild thunder]

im not even sure if that's true, but blizz has also released multiple other games like D4 and hardcore classic that they've diverted their own players to

pvp isnt dead

arena is dead

soloQ is doing fine and they're bringing out the new soloQ rbg mode which actually looks vaguely promising

there've been 2-3 gaffes here and there (augvoker ) but overall DF has definitely been a good xpac

[green wyvern]

maybe

[mild thunder]

it could also be pretty well-argued that a lot of the participation issues for arena rn are a direct result of fixing the game... despite how much people cried about burst and balance in SL, people played that goofy ahh xpac because it was more "fun" than the actually well-balanced, diverse season we're playing rn

[wheat jay]

Fewer oneshots

No bullshit

Meta shifts constantly

Instead of being ret/warr or rmp and nothing else

[mild thunder]

the number 1 complaint over and over and over again in SL was "my damage outside of burst doesnt matter! it's just formulaic CD trading!"

now that your damage outside of burst matters and games are more about pressure, people complain that burst doesnt matter

[wheat jay]

Or cc doesnt matter

Ppl always find sth to complain, I complain a lot too

But for real, shit's just balanced

Almost every spec is good

[sharp meteor]

Offensive CDs get scripted with defensive CDs to a degree and this makes damage outside those windows important.

Although most people aren't scripting stuff properly because there's too many matchups to have a simple setup so

Even like high glad range people often overlapping or misusing so idk how it's such a problem for people at 2k in 2s

"i pressed my swifty macro and they trinket walled pls fix"

[wheat jay]

Dont look for logic where there is none

Also, hoping for S4 to be GIGA inflated haha

[mild thunder]

this is, right now, probably one of the most balanced seasons the game has seen for a long time and will see again for quite a while

but people just dont wanna play balanced seasons because they cant flatly abuse X reworked/broken spec to inflate their ego

[wheat jay]

Id nerf warriors

For good measure

[mild thunder]

id nerf uhdk because fuck that spec

[wheat jay]

Uhdk should rot

[mild thunder]

but yea idk, cc is meaningful and dangerous, burst windows are strong but not absurd and damage + pressure is key

idk what's to complain about outside of inflation

and yea outside of seeing a lot of cringe turbo cleaves, i feel like comp diversity is pretty high too

(fuck turbo cleave, braindead comp, it has too many ways to stop cc and enh procs are fucking retarded)

[frank knoll]

Starfield, Diablo 4, Baldurs Gate and New COD just came out
Ppl just playing other games

[wispy drum]

Do we know if the duo q for RBGs is just healer / DPS or can be double DPS?

[mild thunder]

healer/dps only

[wispy drum]

Cause being able to queue with my hunter or DK as a partner fixes my only problem with the bracket.

I am so screwed.

[mild thunder]

or healer/tank

you just need a healer

[wispy drum]

Healer's too busy tracking everything else to be a seeing eye dog for me.

Unless they're a god.

At that point it'd just be better for me to be the healer for a duo.

[mild thunder]

should i change my hunters name from Hawkeye to Galachad?

[wispy drum]

Yes.

[mild thunder]

Hawkeye is such a good name tho...

but the Galachad legacy must continue on my hunter

[fallen estuary]

Ok 1 hr que 0 games yea im booking it for the night

Ill try my luck tomorrow for those golden lobbies

[delicate parrot]

game is actual trash

[fallen estuary]

You can thank bluray dvd for the state of the game. S1 was perfection before retpocolypse

[teal hedge]

S1 was pretty unbalanced tbh, arms was too strong

[fallen estuary]

Wym every class was unbalanced and it was great

[mild thunder]

s1 was fine until ret rework

and early season kinda cucked with the assa/sp meta

deathmark

[finite fox]

Ass and feral was a bigger problem imo over spriest

Ass feral and unh caused the entire population to reroll dark iron

[mild thunder]

assa/sp had an 80% heal debuff

it was defs both of them

[finite fox]

Oh forgot they had the stacking buff wound poison with the pet

[delicate parrot]

not okay

actually spaghetti code at work

https://tenor.com/view/mama-mía-joséluis-gioia-master-chef-argentina-madre-nuestro-madre-mía-gif-24079005

[covert cobalt]

for rbgs what should my ideal stats be?

[delicate parrot]

vers

[forest sinew]

hey guys, my cancelaura bladestorm doesnt work anyone might know why? :C

[delicate parrot]

spaghetti code is the only answer

ik it sounds dumb but have you tried swapping builds ?

[forest sinew]

😦

[delicate parrot]

or even a /reload could fix it maybe

Do you anything else attached to the macro?

[forest sinew]

aight imma try that

[delicate parrot]

Like freedom?

[forest sinew]

nah

[delicate parrot]

yeah that’s fucking weird

[forest sinew]

just cast bladestorm and cancelaura bladestorm

[delicate parrot]

definitely a /reload vibe then

I bet it will work after

[forest sinew]

ah ok, cuz i remember it working before

ty ❤️

[delicate parrot]

[delicate parrot]

curious to hear if that fixed it lmk

[covert cobalt]

i have everything vers but is there too much vers or haste? because with 450 i am 12% 25% 16% 36% crit haste mas vers respectfully

[delicate parrot]

that’s sounds SICK

might be a bit much vers

[finite fox]

Arms is Vers haste ?

[dreamy moat]

vers at least 30%>haste to personal pref (i run 26%)>mastery

[finite fox]

What’s the purpose of haste for arms

Like why over mastery

Gcds or rage gen?

Or procs from autos

[dreamy moat]

both, and bleeds ticket faster

[finite fox]

Gotcha

[dreamy moat]

but magnus said for the most part it's personal pref
if you want that slow but hard hitting type, stack crit instead lol

[mild thunder]

Faster rotation

[finite fox]

I haven’t touched dps war this xpack i quit on war after all the prot nerfs

[dreamy moat]

26% is that sweet spot for me

[mild thunder]

Other stats are just bad

That’s about it

[finite fox]

Gotcha

[mild thunder]

If you want slow and heavy hits you’re better off with mastery tbh

Crit is just a bad stat

[finite fox]

Is next tier forcing us to change any stat prio or nah

[mild thunder]

Rend probably becomes even better

That’s about it

[dreamy moat]

yeah that too, satisfying to put bleeds on something that keeps running away but they're still dying lmao

i just read the 10.2 notes then

battlefield commander is gonna get nerfed asap lmao

watch SoD's slow get nerfed but monks FoF slow untouched

i fucking bet you

[finite fox]

I doubt it

Tbh

[mild thunder]

Because they’re completely different?

[finite fox]

Frost dk is WAY more toxic

[mild thunder]

Bladestorm is unstoppable damage, FoF can be cc’d incredibly easily

[finite fox]

Or maybe dk as a whole

chains of ice is aids

[dreamy moat]

good point

oh i guess it doesn't put healing reduction on anymore

eh, sod nerf won't hurt but BC is still insane

[finite fox]

I know we are in the waiting room of tuning but like if we are even remotely close with this iteration I am absolutely stoked for tsg with fw

[mild thunder]

Zzzzzz

Most boring comp in the game

All melee cleaves are boring af

[dreamy moat]

i need to start looking at actual teammates for 3s lol

i do enjoy KFC when the rotation turned up in shuffle

coordinated well seeing the hunter going for trap and that's where i do big dmg

[mild thunder]

Fistweaver is just objectively bad for the game

[dreamy moat]

oh has kfc comp changed?

if warr/hunt is something named differently now?

[mild thunder]

Nope

Just responding to someone that said they’re excited for mw Tsg

[dreamy moat]

ah yep haha

[mild thunder]

Kfc is a chad comp

[dreamy moat]

love to hear it

[finite fox]

I’m excited for my own petty reasons

Nothing makes me more happier than making locks and mages absolutely roid rage because they can’t get away

I guess casters in general

But

Especially locks and mages

[mild thunder]

It’s a cringe comp and shouldn’t even be allowed in the game

[forest sinew]

didnt :C

[delicate parrot]

[forest sinew]

gonna have to google some moar :C ty anyway

[delicate parrot]

sorry man, might be a weakauras thing

[mild thunder]

Do you have hurricane talented?

[forest sinew]

yeah i figured it was hurricane lmao

so if i use hurricane i just cant cancel it then?

[dreamy moat]

yeah

[forest sinew]

no wonder lmao xD ty

[forest sinew]

ty anyway ❤️

[finite fox]

Nah demo frost and destro frost is cringe

[limber relic]

Imagine that 2400 is r45 arms 3v3 and 2500 is r50 arms in ss.

This late into season

[wispy drum]

I was R34 last night in RBG at fucking 2090.

This season is just dead.

[limber relic]

😂

[wispy drum]

[limber relic]

Glad winz tonight hopefully!

Scary

[wispy drum]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-thumbs-up-you-can-do-it-you-got-it-gif-2127750493383635686

[unique fox]

Blizz strategically deflated the ladder to try to get people to play Diablo and OW2 but they forgot to turn that shit back on

[limber relic]

Tbh i think the problem lies in solo shuffle. No1 wants to play 3s except the top like 1% of pvp players

Ive said this multiple times. Solo shuffle ruined 3s

[wispy drum]

This.

Most people only give a shit about grabbing the 1800 set too, and when it's easier to just do it there than organize, you lose the entire bottom of your MMR pyramid.

[limber relic]

@wispy drum Yeah. The only reason solo shuffle exist is for the new/newbie/casuals. They usually dont have the time to find a proper team and push ratings like before.

Its so much easier to just press "Queue" and afk than to find players, synergize and play together

Its like other games like LoL or overwatch or w/e. U just press ranked game and there u go u play ranked

Its "too much work" to play 3s 😂

[wispy drum]

It's weird to me though, it takes me longer to get into SS and I find it more infuriating even while playing casually.

I just don't have the time to sit around for the 30+ minutes just to play a single match set.

I've just started playing other games and no other game has waits like that, even shit like HoTS outside like, higher ranked ladder play.

[unique fox]

I think people want to play 3s, its just insufferable to find a group of people to play with

[limber relic]

Ppl afk, go do dishes, cook food or whatever. Do quests or something while waiting for Q. I guess it works well for casuals

[unique fox]

I play with 2 guys i know irl and thats it, and if i didnt have them i wouldnt be queing at all

[limber relic]

Yeah its what i mean. Its easier to just press Q

[unique fox]

I played solo shuffle for 2 weeks and never wanted to play it again, dunno how people stand the queues

[limber relic]

Otherwise u have to find ppl, play, mby it goes bad, u lose ratings, find another team, try again ect ect

[unique fox]

But the community also gate keeps itself because no one will play with anyone that doesnt have glad xp

[limber relic]

Yeah. Shit mindset

[wispy drum]

Most fun I've ever had in this game was S1 SL just helping people crank out 1800 sets for the first time in RBGs.

Like, I just miss that vibe of the community working together.

[limber relic]

Like in s1 df i was in lfg for weeks snd couldnt find anyone. Reached 2350 and couldnt get glad cuz dead game

[wispy drum]

And with the direction swinging entirely to solo, we're just losing that. And it's just weird, because that could have just remained if they kept inflation high and incentives good for casuals.

[limber relic]

Im so lucky i found a good team that i could get glad with now

[wispy drum]

You're probably about to have one of the rarest drakes too.

There's like, what, 1500 of them rn?

[limber relic]

Prob less ngl

Im r900 overall at 2400 3s

[wispy drum]

Yikes.

Like, kudos holy shit, but that's really not healthy for sustainability.

[limber relic]

Its not

Just pissed cuz i was so close to glad s1 df but couldnt get it cuz no1 to play w

[wispy drum]

Sorry man.

[limber relic]

Oh well it is what it is. Just hope i get it now. Should be doable. We're at 2600 mmr so

[unique fox]

Me and my healer bro were like 2250 in 3s and literally couldnt find anyone but 2400 SS rets at end of season

[wheat jay]

Good luck

Hopefully I can play next season 😦

Gotta get that glad with KFC

[limber relic]

I was playing tsg and the team kept complaining about me and how i dont do enough dmg compared to enemy warr who played ret/warr. They wouldnt understand how its so much easier it is to hit a dk than a ret/warr 😂

Then they ditch me

Drop to 2100

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Deserved

[limber relic]

Now im 2400

[limber relic]

Tyty. I need it

[wheat jay]

Kargish always complained that I do less dmg than other survi

[limber relic]

Yeah cuz ret op af so all ret got insta 2400

[limber relic]

I mean ofc a warr is gna do more dmg into a dk than me to a ret

Then they complain i dr stun when they constantly stun into kill target instead of letting me shockwave...

[mild thunder]

real

my dmg has felt really mid lately

[limber relic]

Also had an discussion yday on stream w someone who said ww is not s+ tier

[wheat jay]

Ye

[limber relic]

😭

[mild thunder]

i mean

it's not

[wheat jay]

Also, easier to do dmg when you dont have to run

Its not rly

Warr arguably best in the game cuz it can play with EVERY other dps and still perform

With no downsides

[limber relic]

Imo ww best melee rn

[wheat jay]

3s 2200+

Arms is again best melee

[limber relic]

Yeah but representation doesnt = best class tho

[wheat jay]

People roll meta

People play meta

[mild thunder]

nooooooo arms D tierrrrrrr

[wheat jay]

And gravitate towards it

[mild thunder]

buffs plssssss

me no oneshot

moar buffs

[limber relic]

Warr is in a good place yes

[wheat jay]

Best place id say

[mild thunder]

it's the best melee in the game by and large

[limber relic]

But i guess its easier to play than ww

[mild thunder]

most durable, strong dmg, strong mobility, very strong utility

[wheat jay]

Seeing how its just got its buffs and not everyone has rolled to it yet

Saves homies

Soon double intervene

[limber relic]

Yeah well s3 warr is gna be s+++ tier

No doubt

[wheat jay]

Its just best melee spec for arena

[mild thunder]

ww dmg is scarier but it has a lot less cc and is a lot less durable

and ww gets shut down super easily

[wheat jay]

Fists of fury

Stun

[limber relic]

How

[mild thunder]

serenity is 12s and they dont have infinite cc breaks like warrior

zerker rage, reflect, double bladestorm etc.

[wheat jay]

Avatar

[mild thunder]

banner

[wheat jay]

Duel

Intervene

Rally

Sharpen blade best ms in the game by far

On demand

[mild thunder]

literally the only thing ww does better is dmg

and even then it's not like arms dmg is remotely bad

[wheat jay]

Like, by itself there are better specs

Like sub or survi

But in 3s environment arms is superior

[mild thunder]

sv is only S tier if it's bicmex

[wheat jay]

Soon it will be super saiyan tier

[limber relic]

Rop, defuse, fof, karma, karma, fortifying

[wheat jay]

[mild thunder]

and yea arms is also just easier than almost any other spec to play to its potential

[mild thunder]

only 1-2 of those can be used to avoid cc

[wheat jay]

Fof is busted, that's true

Against melee

[mild thunder]

and yea the requirement to play ww to its potential is just way higher than arms

[wheat jay]

But you can just overpower through it iirc

Fortifying is one wall on long cd

[mild thunder]

once people stop falling for the memey oneshots, ww is one of the higher skill-cap melee in the game imo

[limber relic]

Yes 100% true. But if u do u pref way better than an arms

[wheat jay]

Karma you just break through in 3 globals

[mild thunder]

outside of sv, rog and probably feral

[limber relic]

Its like sub

Op af. If u know how to play

[mild thunder]

sv is the 10,000 IQ gigachad spec

amirite

[wheat jay]

SV got two walls

Which are most often used ONCE in a game due to long cd

All about peeling and kiting

[mild thunder]

i stg bro i barely even press survival of the fittest because if i get swapped to i just have to turtle every time if i cant kite

[wheat jay]

If you're caught its goodbye

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

Ye

And you can die through it xD

Arms is tankier than me on my wall

Anyway, we sidetracked a bit

Arms s tier

Arguably best melee in the game for any comp

[mild thunder]

agreeded

i think its kinda egregious how many arms mains still REEE about their spec and pretend as though they havent been buffed a dozen times

[opal acorn]

Ww is the best melee btw

[mild thunder]

🧢

[opal acorn]

But ye, arms strong

[mild thunder]

what does ww do better than warrior besides dmg?

[opal acorn]

I just look at stats not feelscraft

[mild thunder]

like these stats?

[opal acorn]

No this https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/stats/us/3v3?top=100

[mild thunder]

did you check that before linking?

that's consistent across overall and last 14 days and all ranking brackets

idk what you were trying to show

[limber relic]

I dont think representation = good.

Ww is harder to play than arms

But stronger

[mild thunder]

i dont think it's a clear 1:1 either, and i probably wouldnt agree with artji that arms is S tier

i think it's a very strong A+ tier

[limber relic]

A+ id say

[mild thunder]

but it's not worse than ww

[limber relic]

Ww S

[mild thunder]

if arms is A+, ww is a slightly lower A+

[limber relic]

🤷‍♂️

[mild thunder]

but ye i dont know what alex was tryna prove

[wheat jay]

If sth is best melee

And most represented

Its S

[mild thunder]

not necessarily

something can be the best melee but not so far ahead that it warrants being S tier

there are also some matchups where ww does feel a lot better than arms, id just say arms is stronger overall

[opal acorn]

Ww is higher except for top 500 which is basically the same

Rank 1 too

🤷🏼‍♀️

[mild thunder]

ohh, you're looking at EU

why would you link US then

who cares about eurocucks, it's smaller than US

[opal acorn]

It links the base site not the things u pick inside

[mild thunder]

it's also only more popular in the top 100 and the top 1000, while arms is ahead in top 500 and top 5000, and the entirety of US

which makes it more popular overall

[opal acorn]

Ye for na arms wins that's probably cause na can't play ww

[unique fox]

who wants to play a dweeb ass monk lol

[mild thunder]

genji mains

[unique fox]

thats why war has the most rep

[opal acorn]

It has more rep cause its easier

As fury u basically pve

[mild thunder]

who's talking about fury?

[opal acorn]

He said war

[mild thunder]

it's not calculated into this

arms is likely higher rep because it's 1. easier and 2. more diverse

ww still only has a fairly limited pool of comps because of its dmg profile and shit cc

[limber relic]

Ww stronger = harder = not every reroll

Warr = pretty good = easier to play = ppl reroll

Pretty simple imo

But each to their own i guess

[mild thunder]

i just dont understand why people think ww is better

arms has better utility, is more durable and has far better cc... the only thing ww does better is dmg, which isnt by much, and mobility

[limber relic]

Cant do dmg if i cant stick to my target and since alot of classes got insane mobility warr gets kited easily

Ww stronger into casters

Not as many casters now as before but

Yeah

[mild thunder]

ww isnt even better into all casters

warrior is far better into stuff like boomy, lock, sp and potentially even ele imo

it feels better into mage and mm

[wheat jay]

Like warr mobility?

[mild thunder]

also ye i swear warrior only really gets kited by stuff like frost/arcane

which ww also gets kited by

but your uptime into pretty much everything else is good

[wheat jay]

Play tsg and nothing can kite you lol

[fickle forge]

You can lowkey pick WW with a lot of specs

People just tend to Q the same 2

Like RMP enthusiasts

[wispy drum]

You put the WW with the warrior

[mild thunder]

it still doesnt have the diversity of warrior

there's really just not a spec warrior doesnt play well with

warrior/ret
warrior/ww
warrior/enh
warrior/dk
warrior/dh
warrior/outlaw
warrior/feral
warrior/hunter
warrior/boomy
warrior/lock
warrior/mage
warrior/evoker
warrior/spriest
warrior/ele

all work perfectly well to varying extents, but none of them are non-synergistic comps

[fickle forge]

WW/mage
WW/lock
WW/enh
WW/ret
WW/DH
WW/DK
WW/boomy
WW/warr
WW/SP

Have all been a meta comp at least once in modern PvP

A lot just choose to stick with something more simplistic and easier

[mild thunder]

id say pretty much all of those except for ww/mage, ww/dk and ww/boomy are better with an arms warrior tho

[fickle forge]

Maybe at the moment, but when WW is hard meta and arms is mid, then it's the other way around

[mild thunder]

but we're not talking about other times, im talking about right now

because people are complaining right now that ww is better than arms

[fickle forge]

Eh

Prob equal tbh

Both are top melees rn

[mild thunder]

yea, id say it's pretty close but arms edges it out because it's more dynamic and brings more to a comp

ww has two W's in its name because all it brings is the W key

arms has a fuckton of utility

[fickle forge]

I mean

[mild thunder]

also @wheat jay whenever we get pheromone bombs next season we just spam that kill command to reset our FotE fr fr

[fickle forge]

I meeeeeaaaaaan

WW sit on some good stuff as well

Not banner/intervene levels of shit, but still good stuff

[mild thunder]

ww has good utility but it's a lot more niche to use compared to just popping rally, duel, banner, intervene and having better leg sweep + ranged stun and aoe fear

berserker shout

[fickle forge]

RoP is one of the better utilities in the game

[wheat jay]

Wont matter

[fickle forge]

A lot of WW utility is used offensively anyway

[wheat jay]

Cuz you want chakrams with it

[mild thunder]

if you can get FotE to 30s and pair it with explo on trap it'll be worth

then just hold chakrams for next trap and you'll have explo and FotE back up

[wheat jay]

IF

[mild thunder]

agreed, but that's 1 ability and 98% of WWs get dogshit utility out of it ngl

[wheat jay]

But ye might have to go more kill command build

Could be fun

[fallen estuary]

Oh mah gawd

[wheat jay]

Since it does big dmg anyway

[fallen estuary]

@sharp meteor le safeguard n 2 intervenes

[fickle forge]

WWs be throwing their ranged disarm at me to bypass parry

[mild thunder]

5 KC resets = 15s CDR

[fallen estuary]

Prots gonna be spicy next patch

[fickle forge]

RoP to bypass dome or AMZ

[mild thunder]

enought to get every trap