pvp

[wheat jay]

no walls from him

no def stance

or anything

[mild thunder]

Skill issue

The 140k killshot I sent yesterday was a fully geared dh

[wheat jay]

ok but this is warr 😄

[fickle forge]

@wheat jay Destroyed dumbo

[wheat jay]

warr > hunter

ez

[mild thunder]

Sv buffs when

Arms is too overpowered

[fickle forge]

Tbf he's hitting plate

[mild thunder]

Tbf artji is the second best hunter in this cord

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge is the best

[fickle forge]

@mild thunder

[wheat jay]

true

ON A MAGE

fake news

[mild thunder]

I love sv

[sage raptor]

Sv fun :)

[wheat jay]

SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

someone explain this?

aspirant is honor set

that's uni-class

[green wyvern]

horrendous set and mount

another skip season

[wheat jay]

Mount is terrible

S1 mount blue recolor would have been better

[mild thunder]

idk i cant even call it bad

because i cant fucking see shit lmao

"let's give them a poorly angled, poorly lit screenshot from a distance to showcase the set"

[wheat jay]

I wanna see weapons

I havent dropped ashkandur yet either

😦

[vapid tartan]

Solo q is gonna be such a shit show

Cant wait for forums to blow up

[wheat jay]

So same as now?

[vapid tartan]

Solo q rbg

It’s probably gonna be 1 team sees they have a worse comp and not a dh or dru tank and afks it

[mild thunder]

ye this

i think it'd be cool if it did work

and it makes MORE sense than soloq arena

but it's legitimately impossible to balance

[wheat jay]

Isn't it going to be 5dps 1heal?

Also

This is mad lit

Open world sets

[mild thunder]

i dont think that's confirmed, artji

and even if it is, that's not a good thing

not having a tank on a map like wsg is not fun

[wheat jay]

True

[mild thunder]

because you have so be SUPER dominant to win

or trying to do a map like arathi with only 8 people and no tank

you just dont have the numbers to sit bases comfortably

[vapid tartan]

I really do Bc I want the rbg community to grow but there’s just so many ways this goes wrong

[fallen estuary]

no worries youll see me in every single one of your games Michael jackson moonwalking through your lobbies

tanks r back bros

[vapid tartan]

-how do you deal with an afk troll and a base sitter? Can they tell diff?
-1 team heal comp might be a meme, and other team gets double mw
-any tank other than dh or dru is p much useless

[mild thunder]

ok?

[wheat jay]

Please do warr is dogshit in rbg

So I'll have free wins

[vapid tartan]

Literally

pretty much free caps

[fallen estuary]

juz watch

theyre gonna buf the fuck outta prot warriors

and balance tank meta

[vapid tartan]

Haven’t we watched u stuck at 2k for the last months

[fallen estuary]

before it releases

[vapid tartan]

Month*

[mild thunder]

[vapid tartan]

[fallen estuary]

yea

tanks b hard in arena

[vapid tartan]

Ur gonna get flamed more in solo q rbg

And it increases the chance of teammates afk when they see prot tank

[fallen estuary]

bro im gonna catch a 2 day mute faster than they will

[vapid tartan]

so lose lose scenario??

[fallen estuary]

win win basically

[mild thunder]

yea i just dont see a world in which soloQ rbgs is good tbh

[fallen estuary]

both sides stfu for 2 days straight lmao

[fallen estuary]

imagine the insane class balancing theyre gonna do to tune it LMAO

[vapid tartan]

Imo qs are gonna be 1hour for a balanced game

[mild thunder]

1hr is an understatement tbh

[vapid tartan]

Lul Fr

[fallen estuary]

we already have 1 hour ques

[vapid tartan]

takes like 1hr to form a good rbg team and that’s with btag lol

[mild thunder]

in order for it to be even remotely balanced (evening out ranged/melee dps, both having 2 healers and a tank, accounting for rating, specs etc.) the queues will have to be incredibly long

there's just too much to account for

and if they dont account for it, it'll suck like fucking asscheeks

[vapid tartan]

Also what happens when one team doesn’t have a rogue, and the classes required to sit or hit offnodes

[mild thunder]

cant wait to be the 2 warrior, 1 ret, 1 ww team against a team of all boomies and locks

how fun

[vapid tartan]

It’ll probably turn into a gearing bracket for alts I feel

[mild thunder]

yea but all this does, really

is hurt 3s

[vapid tartan]

Doesn’t seem that efficient for getting pve’rs their 1800, guessing shuffle will still be the better option

[mild thunder]

idk why the fuck they're adding MORE gamemodes when the already waning pvp base is atomised across a half-dozen gamemodes

[vapid tartan]

But hopefully it brings ppl into rbgs

[mild thunder]

it's fucking retarded

[vapid tartan]

I think they should focus on fixing shuffle first

[mild thunder]

blizz should just delete 3s so people know exactly what their plans are

[vapid tartan]

Solo q rbg seems like too big a challenge for the devs

[violet fossil]

I think they should focus on fixing that atrocious new warrior set

[vapid tartan]

[mild thunder]

idk, i just dont think im resubbing at this rate

sub ran out yesterday, i think im done

[vapid tartan]

Get shuffle elite n quit for ssn

[mild thunder]

nope, i am donezel washington

[vapid tartan]

Riot mmo when

[mild thunder]

ive got a huge-ass backlog of ps5 games to play

[wheat jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-2-class-tuning-and-changes-massive-nerfs-to-mass-dispel-and-power-334896

[mild thunder]

if they release some news about their intent to do something for 3s - shifting rating rewards, inflating mmr etc. then i'll come back

until then

[wheat jay]

@mild thunder +40% BOMBA

[mild thunder]

0 care

[wheat jay]

😦

Y r u sad?

[mild thunder]

blizz just isnt gonna do anything to help boost 3s, so im going back to being a console rpg gamer

[mild thunder]

and still no ww changes

[vapid tartan]

These aren’t offset in pvp right

[mild thunder]

they literally nerfed the spec by 30% at the start of the xpac and turned it into a ToD gimmick in m+

this is fucking retarded, holy shit

[wheat jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-2-tier-set-bonuses-revealed-dragonflight-season-3-334898?webhook

Bruh

These are busted wtf

[mild thunder]

fury of the eagle tier set

no thanks

this is also dumb af

one of the major awkward things about fury is that you literally never get the time to use it

because you'll always regen bombs while it's casting lmao

this just makes that problem worse

okay i will admit

im being kinda cringe and uber doomer

some of those tier sets are cracked and look fun as fuck

they're so over-the-top lmao

[wheat jay]

It is dumb

[mild thunder]

yea sv basically has no tier

for pvp

[wheat jay]

But 2set and this will equal to 50-0 over the duration

Its good for pvp tho what do you mean xD

At least for KFC

Cuz I had some success playing fury before

And I liked it

[mild thunder]

i never touch fury

ive tried it

[wheat jay]

So now its gonna just slap harder

[mild thunder]

but there's just so much micro-cc in the game that it feels shit

it's just too easy to stop, even accidentally

or out-range etc.

this is so convoluted lmao

proc to get free sck

spend free sck

[vapid tartan]

No Aug nerfs??

[mild thunder]

then get proc to reduce something else's cd

reminds me of the SL tier set that made ww have to constantly plan 10 abilities ahead

[wheat jay]

Fam I like those

So we get 40% bomb buff

And another 40% during fury of the eagle

And 15% dmg

Pair it with chakrams and explosive

[limber relic]

Holy fk warr 2 set is op af 😂

[wheat jay]

And someone is dead 100-0

[limber relic]

Thunderclap spam = free execute

[mild thunder]

eh, it'll be decent

but it also forces us to take fury

and i really like spearhead

[wheat jay]

So its basically double bomb

We don't lose much

I didnt play spearhead anyway

Never lacked mobility

[mild thunder]

spearhead kinda op

[tribal wedge]

-40% PvP nerf exec dam inc

[sharp meteor]

Shield slam is now skullsplitter.

[mild thunder]

the downside to arms tier

is it likely mandates a skullsplitter build

rend buff = sks buff
and assuming it's a proc/rend tick, sks will guarantee a SD proc

but sks is cringe and i dont wanna play it

[limber relic]

100%

[mild thunder]

good chance fury is also forced into annihilator build

for all forms of content

[limber relic]

Dont think u would need sks tbh. Using sks for 1 proc is meh

[mild thunder]

sure, but it's also a 30% buff to rend

which is just a sks buff in disguise

[vapid tartan]

Imagine it’s just the rend cast instead of the dot

[limber relic]

[limber relic]

Thats true

[mild thunder]

killing raging blow build is even more lame tho

[vapid tartan]

Plus with recent deepwounds buff

Sks might be back on menu

[mild thunder]

you WILL press bloodthirst only and you will LOVE IT

[wheat jay]

Doesnt do anything

Its mobility only

Does fuckall dmg

[mild thunder]

i like mobility

[wheat jay]

So ye fuck it

[mild thunder]

50yd charge cool

[wheat jay]

You already have plenty

[mild thunder]

and the pathing on it makes me cream every time

[mild thunder]

spearhead paths like every warrior dreams charge paths

[wheat jay]

I hate that pathing lol

[mild thunder]

POG

okay

im back to subbing

[wheat jay]

Bro these talents broken

Wtf xD

[mild thunder]

im an arms main

lets fucking go

[floral mirage]

hahaha omg with the shout talent

[mild thunder]

@elfin surge @fickle forge @spice hornet @sharp meteor

[floral mirage]

want to try it

[mild thunder]

oh lame as fuck, they nerfed survival tactics @wheat jay

ok yea wtf

im back to unsubbing

[limber relic]

Omg

Snare on bs

HAHAHA

[mild thunder]

they're unironically killing pvp

[limber relic]

HAHAHA

[vapid tartan]

Mages gonna be mad

[sharp meteor]

wat

[mild thunder]

safeguard is back

[sharp meteor]

I sees that.

[wheat jay]

Sounds a bit like buff ngl

[sharp meteor]

Very comfy.

[limber relic]

Piercing howl root

Mvp

[mild thunder]

it no longer dispels anything

[wheat jay]

Not many things you dispel now

That healer doesnt

[mild thunder]

????

[limber relic]

Rally is new neceo banner

[wheat jay]

And you get wall from it

Id say its net neutral

[mild thunder]

being able to spam dispel UA and anything with splashback is huge

[wheat jay]

Doesnt rly change much imo

[mild thunder]

idk man, blizz is making a lotta wild changes and some of them are super retarded

[vapid tartan]

I’m just wondering how Aug isn’t getting any change

That shit is miserable to play against

[wheat jay]

Tbh that survival instincts is balanced change

[mild thunder]

what survival instincts change?

[limber relic]

"Battlefield commander" is gna be op af with sks

[wheat jay]

Tacitcs

Whatever

[limber relic]

Roar makes target take 5% more dmg from bleeds

[mild thunder]

idc

they also giga-nerfed jungle with the trinket change

[wheat jay]

Yep

[mild thunder]

literal dead comp because people hate actual setup comps that require coordination and skill

hurr durr me press w 1shot and win

big skill

[wheat jay]

I meaaaaaan

KFC gonna be good id say

Warr stronk

Survi big fury of the eagle

[vapid tartan]

You don’t understand bro first you have to coordinate bolt and hoj then press execute

Not as simple as it seems

[wheat jay]

Fury of the eagle will have like 100% crit chance with +15% crit dmg and added burst to it

[mild thunder]

idc i literally only play jungle lmao

and they just nerfed it to death

[wheat jay]

Yes

[vapid tartan]

Why don’t they buff healer mmr instead of trink

[mild thunder]

i doubt kfc will be that good either since it's also a setup comp

[wheat jay]

Not like you were doing anything except being trap bot for your feral damage

[mild thunder]

literally any other warr comp will be better

[wheat jay]

If it ends up being caster meta then KFC will reign supreme

Cuz of all the anti caster shit

And us being physical dmg

[simple rock]

haha the new shout talent is insane

the most text on a pvp talent yet!

[mild thunder]

sv is losing some of its anti-caster bs tho

it wont be a caster meta tho, it'll just be full zugzug w key no-setup cringefest meta

[fallen estuary]

YOOOOOOOOOOO
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SKULLSPLITTER SHIELD SLAMMMMMMMMMM

[wheat jay]

So same as now and S1?

[mild thunder]

i think pvp rn is incredibly well-balanced

tons of comp diversity

setup comps arent op but they're viable and fine

every single pvp change coming with 10.2 is retarded and set to ruin that

[wheat jay]

We said the same about s1 and s2

And s2 rn is very good

I'm looking positively at s3

[mild thunder]

i did not say the same about s1 lmao

[wheat jay]

Except that medallion change

[mild thunder]

and i didnt really say the same about s2

[wheat jay]

Bruh

You just did

[mild thunder]

?

i didnt say the same coming into s2

[wheat jay]

Ok nevermind

I cant read this late

[mild thunder]

it's well-balanced now, but that's because the changes coming from s1 - s2 were good and s1 was NOT balanced

[wheat jay]

We might have s3 balanced tho

Only medallion change is dogshit

Why even cater to healers?

[finite fox]

Yea looks like ret war and tsg is going to run shit down and any rogue comp tbh

[mild thunder]

ok ok i'll stop malding

some of the class design and tier and stuff seems super fun

but i stand by

the fact that some of these changes (trinket CD, soloQ rbgs etc.) are retarded and will only further hurt 3s

[wheat jay]

Ye those are dumb

[mild thunder]

ok the art team

is actually

asleep at the wheel

[unique fox]

Goddamn it bros I dont want to press rend anymore

[mild thunder]

this looks like its from 2005

[unique fox]

I'm so tired of rend and troar... blizz pls

[tribal wedge]

Got Bad news for you ..

[mild thunder]

how did the team that made this, also make THIS

[finite fox]

What class is that

[river trench]

dk

[mild thunder]

monk

[river trench]

oops monk lol

[finite fox]

Is this second one dk tier ?

Or elite pvp

[river trench]

elite pvp dk

[mild thunder]

elite pvp ye

greatest set in the history of the game

[river trench]

wtf. i thought maybe it was just the coloration for that set that way bad, but man monks got screwed royally.

[mild thunder]

monk and warrior both got shafted

[river trench]

pally is kinda shit too.

why is disappointing

[finite fox]

Where are you looking at the sets at

Ptr?

[river trench]

yep

[finite fox]

Can you show me rogue

[river trench]

gimme one sec

elite pvp set

[finite fox]

Not bad tbh

[mild thunder]

the warrior one is a meme

[tribal wedge]

This one IS PvP élite one?

[mild thunder]

i refuse to believe its real

[finite fox]

Mages are punching the air right now

[river trench]

honestly, the warrior set wouldnt be terrible if it wasnt for the weird fucking shirt chest piece

[river trench]

the mage set actually looks pretty dope

[fallen estuary]

yo

upload elite warrior set

[unique fox]

Wtf are those sleeves lol

everything else is covered in spikes and chains and then i got a dress shirt on underneath

[fallen estuary]

i mean itll look badass if they make it a little but steampunk-ee

but the helmet does look special ed

[river trench]

new sword model looks pretty dope

scythe as well

[spice hornet]

why did they buff surv explo shot damage a few weeks ago

shits hitting 173k

like what

[river trench]

Also, may not be warrior tier set, but the honor gear is pretty fuckin nice looking

[finite fox]

That warrior?

Or just honor overall

[river trench]

honor overall

[finite fox]

For plate?

Can someone explain why it’s so much better ?

[mild thunder]

autism

[finite fox]

Wild someone post the elite priest set I bet that’s insane

Here is shitty mage

[finite fox]

ThT honor or elite

That

[unique fox]

Whoever the fuck designed the war tier set needs to go

[finite fox]

ThT pve or pvp

[river trench]

none of the version of warrior set redeem it, actually only make most of them worse

[tribal wedge]

Dont know

[mild thunder]

gladiator set

[river trench]

gimme one sec and ill post all the different versions, gotta relaunch

[finite fox]

Elite ?

[mild thunder]

n ah

nah

[finite fox]

What’s elite war set look like

[unique fox]

War elite

[mild thunder]

bad

[finite fox]

Wtf

[unique fox]

What are these fucking robe sleeves

[finite fox]

Is that

[unique fox]

and puny fucking gauntlets?

and this brown belt?

Virgin war vs Chad DK set

[river trench]

honestly its literally just the chest sleeves that ruin the set, the rest looks dine

[mild thunder]

and the helmet

is goofy af

and the shoulders need to be bulkier

[unique fox]

The helm aint that bad, looks like the Juggernaut kind of

these goofy sleeves lol

im going to war on the forums over this

i wont stand for it

[river trench]

Luckily it seems you can swap out the chest piece pretty easier with a bunch of different chest pieces that look good

[violet fossil]

Is that the elite set

[river trench]

'

[violet fossil]

mixed

Ah

[river trench]

this is the elite set

[violet fossil]

Looks better with the chest changed

[tribal wedge]

Meanwhile

[river trench]

yeah, seems to be plenty of pieces you can use to replace the chest with which is nice.

Yeah dks won with their tier set looks this time around, fuckin nutty

[violet fossil]

Best set

gonna 1800 real quick for that

And unsub

[finite fox]

What’s elite Paladin look like

[river trench]

oh yeah, already decided im getting to 1800 on my did

.....

[violet fossil]

The normal raid set is hot too

[river trench]

we dont talk about the pally set

elite pally

[finite fox]

I mean

Better than war

[river trench]

the blades on the shoulders ruin it for me.

[finite fox]

Still better than war

I’ve been collecting screenshots

I missing priest dragon lock and shaman

[fallen estuary]

bro ngl

[river trench]

feel like they should have carried the helmet look over to the shoulders and it would be amazing

[fallen estuary]

i think they got huge inspiration from antorus

[violet fossil]

Looks hot too

[tribal wedge]

Castlevania called to got his stuff back

[wispy drum]

ew

I got hyped about the talent changes for a sec then saw that.

[frank knoll]

The warrior set 🤦‍♂️

Looks like a bug

Looks like Fury is pigeon holed into playing the annihilator build in 10.2

Havoc DH set looks good

[finite fox]

the shaman set bro

holy

mythic

elite pvp

[frank knoll]

That’s dope

I think I’m playing Arms in 10.2
Finally going to learn it

Also
Solo Q RBGs

That’s gonna be uhhh interesting

[fallen estuary]

Oooo ohohohoh

Shield slam skullsplitters gonna b insane

Haste build and line it with burst UGGGGHHH

[onyx marlin]

what the actual fuck is that war set

[thick reef]

Frost mage still pisses me the fuck off

[ivory granite]

will a communication ban lead to a perma account ban?
just from reports from abusive chat

[ruby temple]

It can if you said something really bad or get it a lot. Just best practice not to even talk in solo q save that kind of language for the warrior discord

[unique fox]

Oh nice there's actual gauntlets under there, maybe the chest piece isnt finished, seems weird they'd cover up the gloves

[ivory granite]

no like a while ago i got a 7 day silence is that 2nd offense or 1st?

what i mean is do the penaltys reset.

after a while

[ruby temple]

They stay on your account forever but their is some kind of algorithm that ramps up the punishment over time and lowers it after a period of time of good behavior

Genuinely don't even talk in chat anymore other than to tell people I eat ass just to be safe and haven't had any reports since

[ivory granite]

so the penalties do go down

after like a month or tho?

[ruby temple]

Yeah but like after a year or something lol

[ivory granite]

damn

[sharp meteor]

Just don't use any spicy words, and avoid being snarky.

[ivory granite]

guess i have to server transfer LMFAO

realm*

gonna re-activate my old account

instead of using my brothers

buyt can anything like that lead to a permanent account suspension

from just using "ABUSIVE CHAT"

[ruby temple]

Bro will do anything other than just not say dumb shit

ANYTHING

[ivory granite]

i asked a question

not\

piss in ur fucking dinner

[ruby temple]

Reported for abuse.

[ivory granite]

reported for hacking.

[spark zenith]

new warr tier apperance is so bad

how do they go from S1 glory to S3 dog poo

[ivory granite]

fr

[spark zenith]

priests, dks, locks the winners...again

the arms tier set, when u use sudden death it triggers the cd for thunderclap, but the thunderclap doesn't reapply rend

bad

[unique fox]

gonna be using blood and thunder anyways

this fucking shouts pvp talent

i am cumming day and night

[spark zenith]

apparently it is bugged

will reapply rend

[river trench]

hows fury looking with 10.2

[spark zenith]

well

crit dmg is nerfed

[ivory granite]

apperently mage is getting mega nerfed

[spark zenith]

so the crit focus on tier set seems meh

[ivory granite]

same with enh

[finite fox]

Ret war is guna be insane next season

[mild thunder]

@wheat jay i just realised bomb will do an extra 80% on single-target next season

that is actually kinda nuts

so many classes look so absurdly fun idk what im gonna play

[fallen solar]

I’ve been playing Survial for a long time now. Very fun. Also the fury tier set looks kinda crazy

Ele I play too and the tier set is gonna be way better than the trash one we have now

[mild thunder]

shitty part of fury tier is that it locks you into annihilator

which is super cringe

[river walrus]

Idk, I liked it, it looks strong even if it's nerfed by 50% in pvp

[hot solstice]

check enha tierset - locks into elemental damage build

[unique fox]

annihilator with slam is less cringe than it was without

[mild thunder]

Yea I never said it wasn’t strong

[mild thunder]

Sure, but you won’t wanna press anything except bloodthirst ever

[unique fox]

it'll hit harder than a normal bloodthirst and might get you enough rage to get a 3rd bloodbath off those charges

[mild thunder]

?

You won’t hit bloodthirst because it hits hard, you’ll use it because it maximises your 4pc CDR

That’s why an annihilator build will end up being better

Spamming bt instead of any other generator will just net you way more odyns fury uses

[unique fox]

if its nerfed by 50% again im not gonna be too worried about perhaps 1.25s of cooldown for pressing slam once in awhile

[mild thunder]

If it’s nerfed by 50% and if the actual cdr is nerfed

And I also pointed out it was lame for all kinds of content, not just PvP

[unique fox]

we got cucked completely this tier

[mild thunder]

Arms tier was very mid this season

Next tier looks completely broken

[wheat jay]

Told you right away xD

[mild thunder]

Is cracked

Idk what I’m gonna play next season, too many classes with cool shit

[bright talon]

Yo this new warrior tier is mad disrespectful

[fickle forge]

??

[opal acorn]

You should see the other colors too

[idle falcon]

NEW FURY TIER SET OP FOR PVP

CHANGE MY MIND

[bright talon]

I hope the sleeves are a bug or something.

[opal acorn]

It reminds me of a robot in some old movie or series but I can't find it

Tin man?

[fallen estuary]

Sleeves might be a bug

Gauntlets are fuckin amazing

But sleeves on a warrior is a first and kinda kool

[green anchor]

New Warrior PvP talents look nice

[opal acorn]

?

[green anchor]

https://i.imgur.com/pp4Mrjx.png

[wheat jay]

Tbh i dont know if any of these would be played

Storm of destruction maybe

Double charge on intervene against rmp i guess

[opal acorn]

U don't like the shout talent?

[magic wing]

Omg those look GOOD

wtf

Blizzard actually doing work

Especially that shout thing

[mild thunder]

????

safeguard wont get played?

[wheat jay]

I don't see too many applications of it not gonna lie

[mild thunder]

a talent that gives you 3% stam, an aoe 2sec root, aoe freedom wont be played?

[wheat jay]

Longer cd tho, so id say 50/50

[mild thunder]

10sec longer

for 2 charges

and a dmg reduction

that's locked in almost every game

you literally run that into any setup comp, double-intervene the go and bladestorm

warrior teams will just play clumped so everyone can sit in the intervene lol

banner will probs fall out of favor since cc will be less of a deal for healers

and you get this stuff instead

SoD might see some play in rbgs or something but that's probably it... just wont have the points for it

[wispy drum]

Double vene is going to be insanely good on FC maps in RBG, and storm is just sort of busted.

But nobody does RBGs so who cares

[mild thunder]

.

[wispy drum]

[mild thunder]

there's just never a situation in which safeguard is bad

rbgs, arenas, shuffle, whatever

[wheat jay]

Good point

[wispy drum]

The only thing I'm holding out for rn is D play in the 8 man RBG stuff. Wiping O pushes is really fun, and these new talents actually just improve it more.

[mild thunder]

you probably sit with sharpen, battlefield, safeguard and swap out battlefield on matchup for disarm, banner etc.

[wispy drum]

I wasn't running sharpen very often on D unless they had heavy caster comp. Disarm was too valuable into rogues.

[mild thunder]

might end up dropping sharpen for disarm into stuff like rmp so you can run banner, disarm and safeguard tbh

[wispy drum]

And there were a lot of double rogue teamsa.

Haven't done 3s in ages but that seems right.

[unique fox]

Banner is trash and barely works lol (i am also trash)

[mild thunder]

imma give you a hint

banner isnt the problem

🤯

[wispy drum]

Banner is about as good as your ability to time it.

I'm shit so I don't run it often lmao.

[mild thunder]

but yea the only reason we run it every game rn is because we literally dont have better options lol

half our pvp talents are dead... death sentence, SotC (why havent they removed this yet), MnC etc.

[tribal wedge]

Dont see any reason to not take safeguard

[fickle forge]

Skill issue

[fickle forge]

DS is lowkey still really good

[mild thunder]

is it good

or are the alternatives just really bad

[fickle forge]

I run it a lot

[mild thunder]

i run it in 2s sometimes into stuff like feral

[fickle forge]

You're procing SD as much ss you did in SL, it's still as good

[mild thunder]

but yea that's only because i dont have stuff like that shout talent

[fickle forge]

Now we're getting a SD proc tier set

You can prob perms DS charge

[mild thunder]

it was good in SL because of condemn, not because of SD tho

it still has the 6s ICD

[fickle forge]

We ran DS with Conq Banner too

[mild thunder]

ngl i didnt play much s3/4 SL

[fickle forge]

I was using it a bunch when I got 2.4k 2s arms in S4 at least

[mild thunder]

but yea i dont see any real use-cases for DS in s3, it still has a 6s ICD and it's competing with some bigboy talents

outside of 2s

[fickle forge]

Safeguard is def s must pick

[mild thunder]

safeguard is a lock-in

battlefield thing is something you'll never want to drop, but you'll have to for disarm and stuff

[fickle forge]

Battlefield I am not fully sold on yet

[opal acorn]

Safeguard seems like too strong

Ah 5 sec though it was 10

Still seems good

[mild thunder]

2s aoe root
15s off fear CD
3% stamina
aoe freedom + movespeed
5% more burst dmg

idk what's not to be sold on

[mild thunder]

this is literally 5 pvp talents in one

[fickle forge]

The root and fear CD are the main benefits

The rest are rather tiny bonuses

[mild thunder]

it turns roar into better actual burst than spear

[fickle forge]

+5% dmg

I mean

I think we live without that

[mild thunder]

+5% dmg > +12% crit dmg any day of the week

[fickle forge]

Fk you, Imma continue to be a Spear enthusiast

[mild thunder]

imma outdmg you in your own spear by roaring at you

[fickle forge]

I hit an Rdruid for 200k MS yd

Was nice

[mild thunder]

b-b-but arms is b-bad

[fickle forge]

Safeguard is prob nerfed before release

[mild thunder]

idk 10.2 is making me conflicted about being a sv main

[fickle forge]

It should honestly have been a regular class talent

Below Intervene

[mild thunder]

idk why they would

it has virtually zero use in pve

[fickle forge]

A wall is a wall

Never useless

Rest is a skill issue

[mild thunder]

on 1 target for 20%, eh

i dont think that'll ever see real use in pve

i dont think anyone ran it in SL over stuff like inspiring presence

[fickle forge]

Some dude is targeted by raid mechanic -> Intervene -> They live

[fickle forge]

Okay, but that's also competing with raid wide benefit

[mild thunder]

for 20%, not really

overwatch would be a billion times better for pve

[fickle forge]

Overwatch was goated

Reflect DK and DH kicks

[mild thunder]

also so many warriors would troll and just die to this that no one would run it

[fickle forge]

Skill issue

[mild thunder]

yea but 98% of the playerbase is a walking skill issue

[fickle forge]

Same warriors that don't Intervene+parry their tank in M+ when they have 2000 necrotic stacks

[mild thunder]

bring back challenging shout

only time i remember consistently intervening in m+ was on the m+ spawn boss in s2

the one that dashed at random targets for a billion dmg and applied a bleed

[fickle forge]

Intervene+parry in PvE is lowkey insane

Bypass a lot of mechanics

A lot of PvE warrs don't even have Intervene bound though

[mild thunder]

that's because most pve warriors are retards

that's why they play warrior lol

[fickle forge]

PoV: Your healer is kiting you when you wanna Intervene to him out of a mechanic

[mild thunder]

man i really wish they'd give sweeping strikes some kinda choice node where it did way less dmg but aoe splash instead

like 25-30% to 8 targets or something

[fickle forge]

Sweep has always been the 2-target king though

For 20 years now in fact

[mild thunder]

yea and it still would be

but we'd get a choice node for the more common content

[fickle forge]

Sweep is honestly the best dps increase button

[mild thunder]

the only good use of sweep in m+ is for dreadnaught

or sweep-executing low hp mobs

[fickle forge]

That's what I do

Fish for exe sweeps

[mild thunder]

actually idek if sweep-executing is still the play

but it was in SL

[fickle forge]

I remember in Legion when it was a passive and you'd just fish for exe sweeps

[mild thunder]

i find cleave playstyle super boring in m+

[fickle forge]

Cleave was fun in BFA

[mild thunder]

i wish they didnt nerf the funny meme collateral dmg + storm of swords + merciless bonegrinder cheese from DF beta

whirlwind was hitting so hard

[fickle forge]

Dude, S3 and S4 BFA was lowkey fun for PvE arms, you'd hyperstack ToM and get CS up again before your ToM ran out

[mild thunder]

i enjoyed arms pve in SL

outside of condoom

it was bad, it was braindead, im glad it's gone

[fickle forge]

Condoom raiding was awful

In general, Exe feels awful when you can use it too often

[mild thunder]

it was also super awkward playing enduring blow + condemn in SL

[fickle forge]

When did we do that

[mild thunder]

start of 9.1 maybe

[fickle forge]

Most Condoomers were EP in PvP at least

[mild thunder]

idk i mightve been behind the times

unfortunately EP was just never good in raid

[fickle forge]

I remember hitting a lock for 90% of his HP with 1 Exe when I had my babe

[mild thunder]

s1 was signet for raid

and then i think s2-4 was EB

[fickle forge]

[mild thunder]

i remember onetapping someone with execute just from an SD proc

no CDs

just clinked him for 50k (i dont remember how much hp we had back then)

[opal acorn]

Ah like rsk

[fickle forge]

God SL S4 broke me

Took me 1.5 season to recover

[mild thunder]

should i come back to maining arms

[fickle forge]

Just do both

Survival looking fire next season

[opal acorn]

Why play arms when this dk set is out?

[mild thunder]

dont have the time/energy for 2 pvp chars since im going back to raiding and stuff next season

[fickle forge]

Man wanna keep his bench press

Never main DK

<--- Frost DK alter

[mild thunder]

i dont love the tier set because it forces fury of the eagle

and jungle is getting giga-nerfed

[opal acorn]

I like frost a lot. I wish it was more complex and it wasn't dw on pve

[fickle forge]

Just imagine it's FoF

[mild thunder]

i dont think frost has been dw since mid SL tbh

[fickle forge]

I only alt frost because it's the closest thing to arms

Heavy hits and slow

[opal acorn]

Isn't BoS the meta now?

[fickle forge]

Also the cleave is mad

[mild thunder]

im pre sure BoS is dogshit

oblit is the way

[opal acorn]

Ah cool might check it out. Altho I don't like how easy it is

[mild thunder]

yea it's a very watered-down spec

uhdk is kinda fun but a little meh

[fickle forge]

It's harder in PvP now that it's setup oriented

[mild thunder]

im looking at rogue, feral or sv for pve

[opal acorn]

If only feral could use the guardian mage tower appearance

[mild thunder]

it can

[opal acorn]

On dps stance

[mild thunder]

oh

ye it cant

[wheat jay]

Spear into fury of the eagle

[mild thunder]

but druid is getting a fuckton of new forms and all the race-specific ones

so feral stonks are up

[fickle forge]

I'm gonna have to succum and play Rend with Spear

[opal acorn]

I am not a fan of the cat. The mage tower bear is massive tho

[fickle forge]

Which is awful cause I don't get extra Rend dmg from TR then

[mild thunder]

mage tower bear is neat

[mild thunder]

sounds like you gotta play roar

[fickle forge]

Sounds like fuck you

[mild thunder]

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332244414241964042/1142970494979678330/doommains.mp4

[mild thunder]

🗣️ 💨 😵

that's how it feels to play roar

[fickle forge]

Can they just return Conq Banner

Or at least bring the +bleed dmg above TR

[mild thunder]

just delete spear

it's boring

it sucks as a 90s CD

it's buggy af

turn roar back into dragons roar on a 30s CD with big crit dmg

and then bring back banner

[fickle forge]

Keep Spear

[river walrus]

Necro's banner was fun

I liked more than spear

[wheat jay]

Fair enough, you have to now xD

But man imma have SOLID vurst every 45s

Basically I can do fury of the eagle that's guaranteed crit every 45s

That also increases my crit chance and dmg by 15%

And explosive shot Rolling

And chakrams rolling

And fury will slap a bomb with 80% more dmg iirc

So basically double bomb there

[mild thunder]

tbf fury is more like

30-40s CD

[fickle forge]

Also my guy complains about no sv burst, and then hits me with a 200k es+ks yd @mild thunder

[wheat jay]

Ye

[wheat jay]

All crits tho

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

And i'm a 10% crit chance class

[fickle forge]

Fury warr gonna be hitting a lot of odyn

[wheat jay]

And 200k when you have 650k hp

Is fucking nothing xD

[mild thunder]

bro stop the cap

can throw a flanking in there too for 150k

[wheat jay]

1/3 of hp ye ye bro oneshot

Well, right after yes

[mild thunder]

in this meta 1/3 your hp is absolutely huge burst

in 1 global lol

[fickle forge]

Yes, that is literally a good burst

[mild thunder]

artji has the worst takes sometimes

[fickle forge]

He said it himself in Mudcord

[mild thunder]

karg out here doing charity work for this man

[fickle forge]

He's a dumbo with AWC plays sometimes

[mild thunder]

im gonna channel my inner bicmex for an end of season push

[fickle forge]

Lowkey Artji S L A Y E D this shuffle lobby yd

[opal acorn]

Omfg ,foe is the frontal aoe, I thought it was that ability that increases the range

[fickle forge]

Had the worst fmage and hpala on the planet, still came out on top

[opal acorn]

Wow they forcing fury of the Eagle

[fickle forge]

Most of the tiers force an ability

[opal acorn]

Ye

[mild thunder]

it is kinda cringe but it's not a huge deal

spearhead is literally just a 1.5m CD on a glorified charge

[fickle forge]

Which kinda ruins the whole idea of mixing talents

If you're forced down a certain route anyway

[mild thunder]

BUT spearhead makes me coom so fucking hard everytime i path up and around a platform or something

[mild thunder]

tbf that's just gonna be the consequence of making literally any interesting/fun tier set

as long as it doesnt force you into something degen and unfun

idc

[fickle forge]

Not if they have it interact with class abilities rather than spec abilities

[opal acorn]

Well they are forcing talents

[mild thunder]

then it just forces you into certain class nodes instead tho

[fickle forge]

You have some abilities baseline

[opal acorn]

Like fury is forced into anni (I think)

[fickle forge]

Or like forced at the top of your tree

Like arms is pretty much forced into MS and OP

[mild thunder]

yea but they're boring abilities to make tier sets out of

[fickle forge]

Is Rend a fun ability?

[mild thunder]

we already take rend in 100% of situations

[fickle forge]

I don't

[mild thunder]

and ye idm rend, i think crying about arms being a "bleed" spec is cringe

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[mild thunder]

arms has had bleeds as a major part of the spec since vanilla

[fickle forge]

I mean, they were mostly fillers

[mild thunder]

same as they are now

except DW was chad af back then

[fickle forge]

I'm okay with bleeds being apart of the spec, I just want my MS and Exe to be the main slappers

[magic wing]

The fury looks pretty strong

Especially for pvp

Big Odyns

[mild thunder]

fury tier is boring af

[fickle forge]

I generally enjoy arms when it hits high numbers

[mild thunder]

because it kills rb build

[opal acorn]

I don't like bb build

[magic wing]

Big numbers arent boring

[mild thunder]

pressing 1 and only 1 generator for eternity is boring

[fickle forge]

Then it can be slow af and have all its filler dmg in bleeds, I just wanna work towards that big hit

[magic wing]

Pressing Swifty macro for huge dmg is great tho

[mild thunder]

id prefer this but it's not gonna happen while we have battlelord and tacitician proc% is so high

[fickle forge]

I think it's the case rn

Hitting 6-figures with no CDs up atm

Both Exe and MS

[mild thunder]

idk id prefer the spec to play a little slower, be a little less streamlined

like

do more

than just press op>ms on repeat

[fickle forge]

Ye, it's not the best design

MS -> 3 GCD -> MS was ingrained in me for a long time

[mild thunder]

i made a reworked arms talent tree

dope af

shame it'll never see the light of day

[fickle forge]

I mean don't say that

@wheat jay and I had a big hand in Conq Banner being what it became

9.0 Conq Banner was literal troll

[opal acorn]

@mild thunder where is it

[mild thunder]

i was actually shocked they reworked banner when warrior already had better cov diversity than any other spec

[mild thunder]

idk in my files somewhere... i think i accidentally deleted final draft of the arms tree but i still have the class side

the class one was kinda OP af no cap

[fickle forge]

Someone should make a software where you can create a class tree

[mild thunder]

Talent Tree Manager

[opal acorn]

And class tier set looks

[mild thunder]

just google it

[fickle forge]

[mild thunder]

[fickle forge]

3 min CD

[opal acorn]

30sec cd

[mild thunder]

i had to try and make it remotely balanced

[fickle forge]

If I were to bring banner back, I'd take off the mastery for teammates

Damage boosting teammates generally goes wrong

[mild thunder]

i have a node for the 20% str too

since that's what actually made it good

[fickle forge]

The primary stat buff was insane

[fickle forge]

Imma make a tree too for the fun of it

[mild thunder]

i even gave shit thematic names

[green anchor]

I like how Sudden Death and Execute are in the middle

posing as most important

[mild thunder]

top one is massacre, but ye that's how it was through most of DF beta

idk why they're in every spec's spec tree instead of just being class nodes

[fickle forge]

100% I remove Massacre for my tree

[mild thunder]

i keep massacre but delete massacre animation

[fickle forge]

Rework SD to proc if you bring someone sub-20% 😎👍

[opal acorn]

Keep massacr animation and make it baseline

[mild thunder]

stop

[fickle forge]

Stop

[opal acorn]

MASSACRE ANIMATION FOR MS

[fickle forge]

This man has 0 aesthetic taste

[mild thunder]

^

[green anchor]

I mean if it wasn't bugged then sure

[mild thunder]

i had bloodbath return in my arms tree too

i miss it

[green anchor]

What I wish for the most is that they would change the sounds on overpower and MS

[green anchor]

When was this nuked?

Last time I remember these talents from is TBC

[fickle forge]

Prob in MoP or smth Idk

[mild thunder]

fake talent, but we did have a weapon spec talent in early DF beta

[green anchor]

Mace stun in BC was nice

[mild thunder]

mine is tmog-based to be ultra chad

[fickle forge]

Make it so swapping weapon no longer triggers a GCD

[green anchor]

then you also got that mace from blacksmithing with a chance for another 3 sec stun lmao

[mild thunder]

[fickle forge]

[green anchor]

that was nice

[mild thunder]

combined with this

[green anchor]

good ole times

[fickle forge]

Catch me making a true arms master build

Hold the phone

[mild thunder]

deep wounds rework when

[wheat jay]

Yass queen slay

[mild thunder]

just make it give bleed dmg when we crit

same as old times

[fickle forge]

Gonna include bows and guns too

[mild thunder]

so we get a fuckton of crit value without being op again

[mild thunder]

[wheat jay]

Our bastard child

[mild thunder]

or this instead of tactician, and no more battlelord resets

[fickle forge]

@mild thunder

[mild thunder]

this guy played barbarian

[fickle forge]

Parry this filthy casual

[fickle forge]

@mild thunder This is kinda fun, even if it's meme

[mild thunder]

that's actually a really cool idea

im assuming you wont have fatality then

[fickle forge]

No

Or Massacre

[mild thunder]

neat

[frank knoll]

Who are the winners of the set bonuses for 10.2?

[wheat jay]

Fury

Survi for pvp i guess Has a huge set

[frank knoll]

Based on a first look
I think Arms, Elemental, Outlaws low key looks really good, Frost DK looks good, Resto Druid, and Shadow Priest

Idk about fury cause it forces you to play Bloodbath/Annihilator

[thick reef]

Yeah, but you wanted to play it anyway

Gigachonk

[frank knoll]

I play the smexxin RB build rn

Big dam

Odyns fury CDR looks nice though

[thick reef]

I don't even play that

I do Anni/Odyn Whirlwind buff/AM/OS

[frank knoll]

You play AM?

Anger Management?

[fickle forge]

Fury may be fat next patch

[delicate parrot]

wtf actual lore friendly arms

[modern pilot]

ret war is going to be so filfthy

rallying cry sounds very similar to freedom ngl

[thick reef]

Ye

I don't like desynching cds

I like my 90 sec nuke phases

Although I'm climbing up as Prot atm, I've been converted to the cult

[wheat jay]

Its better to desync enemy defensives

[frank knoll]

I may try that
I’m playing RA rn

[wheat jay]

Yooooooo

[fickle forge]

The PvE mindset

[fickle forge]

That bike

How

[river walrus]

What are those from?? Bike and beetles look sick

Also think fury will be sick with tier set

[wheat jay]

No idea but I want

Id expect it to be mythic mount

[tribal wedge]

new druid travel form ...

we can ride them now

[lavish quest]

The mythic mount is an owl

[fallen estuary]

Beetle

[lavish quest]

And I think MS is due another 25% dmg buff or something. I won't rest until a mage loses 50% hp when I connect 😉

[fallen estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dancing-lol-funny-nae-nae-gif-16830192

Wish granted

[fickle forge]

You can do that now 😎👍

[lavish quest]

Nah, cause can't connect to a mage 😂

And it doesn't quite hit that hard

[onyx marlin]

bike maybe from traveler log?¿

[wheat jay]

Kargish smacked me for 120k ms no crit, can chonk mage for close to 50% id say

[charred onyx]

the fury tier set already seems like something that will be nerfed in pvp if those numbers stay

[tribal wedge]

every set will be nerf in pvp

[wheat jay]

By 50%

Oh true

@fickle forge still busted survi tier by the way xD

I think we can just download ptr update and test it out

[onyx marlin]

remember what i told you? played the next game today, caster lobby in mugambala, 1-5

[charred onyx]

thats not 0/6

shouldnt have won that one round

[onyx marlin]

xD

[lucid walrus]

heroic strike precedent set here

off gcd
does damage

[lavish quest]

Every other class gets a book of changes. Warrior, 2 new honor talents and one changed.

At least the honor talents are pretty nice

[fallen estuary]

Yo dont listen to the warlocks telling you that chaos bolt doesnt hit you for half your health

This discords flooded with mage rogue enjoyers and spellcasters

[lavish quest]

How would I know? Too much of a warrior chad to be in the lock discord

Besides... isn't chaos bolt getting buffed again... 😮‍💨

[fallen estuary]

When you know its obvious and they tell you its not. Yea its a warlock casting spells on you

Like warriors still being legit dogshit and needs martial prowess unnerfed

They say "aww hell naw" and proceed to cast shadow bolt

Also brb gonna speed home like a boss

Cant pull me over when i drive faster than you

[wheat jay]

I got one change on survi

[river walrus]

Frost dk and ww monk got nothing at all, not even a mention

[lavish quest]

Those classes got changes. Just not for every spec :p

[river walrus]

I want frost dk/warrior from shadowkands back

Pull AoE stun, warrior pops necro banner and frost deletes people